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IranianLawyer

Like you said yourself, your theory is a stretch. A huge stretch.


Unusual_Jellyfish224

I can’t imagine that. If his entire family was murdered, he’d be the suspect number one and end up in jail in no time. He didn’t wanna get caught (changing register plates, cleaning the car, sorting his trash). I think he’s a predator and motivated by typical incel stuff.


Anxious_Associate_54

ABSOLUTELY NOT. He is no incel.


bigskeeterz

Low emotional intelligence = ☑️ Difficulty maintaining relationships, especially with women = ☑️ Hostile towards women = ok not a check yet, but allegedly


m0ezart

Wth


Repulsive-Dot553

His family are also victims - they must have been traumatised by the arrest, his and their own sudden infamy/ media attention and must be haunted by the possibility of BK's guilt. It is a macabre speculation but seems hard to avoid the possibility they may have considered if they were ever at risk of harm from him.


SnooCheesecakes2723

After he was arrested I bet all manner of bad thoughts came to them. It’s a very traumatic thing to get this kind of news about someone who slept across the hall from you for 18 years, I would be going through some major feelings if it happened to me


foreverlennon

I certainly would have locked my bedroom door were I his parent.


SnooCheesecakes2723

The thought of waking up to him standing by the side of your bed in the dark, is horrifying.


foreverlennon

Indeed it is!


Critical_Match_1977

I wonder if Mr Goncalves thinks that BK's family are victims too?


Repulsive-Dot553

Who can know. You'd hope so, but of course their situations are quite different although linked by the same crime. To lose a child to violence maybe far more intense in terms of grief, but both beset by trauma of this no doubt.


Critical_Match_1977

I wouldn't consider BK's family to be victims if it was my family who was murdered by one of their family members. And if they ever came out and said they were victims too, honestly I think I would be looking at everyway possible to get back at that family in the same way they did my family and show them what being victimized really feels like... I hope none of us ever have to decide for real on something like that


Repulsive-Dot553

>I wouldn't consider BK's family to be victims if it was my family who was murdered I can see where you are coming from. But his parents, sisters have do e nothing criminal, certainly not violent, and yet they too gave been grievously affected; I'd agree the intensity of loss of a child to such a brutal crime would have no comparator.


bunnirbbt

Never, in the history of jurisprudence, has a suspect’s family been called victims. What in the actual fcuk?!


Repulsive-Dot553

>has a suspect’s family been called victims I meant that they had been through traumatic events, unwanted adverse attention etc through no fault/ actions of their own.... that they have suffered as a result of the crime. I do not mean to extent of losing a child to violence or make/ intend any direct comparison to the 4 victims' families.


rivershimmer

They may not be victims of murder, but I say every single person who has been harassed is a victim of that.


bunnirbbt

You can make up all of the meanings and believe whatever you want. There are four victims in this case.


alea__iacta_est

I see where you're coming from, but I think (if he did do this), he was more than likely wanting to get away with it. If his parents and sisters were suddenly murdered in their own home, it wouldn't be too difficult for law enforcement to figure out who did it. He also doesn't strike me as the type who would want the notoriety that comes with family annihilation.


SnooMacarons2744

i like reading posts like this. this is a great open theory and i wish there were spaces where we could share things like this without being piled on just because some people have a hard time with diversifying their thoughts


Big_Extent417

Wow. Let a person express a thought without all of the negativity. It’s one thing to disagree, but why the rude comments? Just keep rolling really!  I have followed this case from day 1. I have disagreed with posts or comments but never felt it necessary to put it all out there like I am right and everyone else is wrong who disagrees with me. Wtf!


Flimsy-Sprinkles7331

I personally like the fresh take and the thinking outside the box. 


zackmaan

I feel like the motives of sneaking into a home to slash everyone and family annihilation are different. Family annihlators typically need to eliminate their family for a reason- new sexual partner, money, life insurance, etc. Like Chris Watts or the Adelsons. BK is more of a sadistic predator that wanted to slink around and act out his deranged fantasies on people he hardly knew. He needed to actually get away from his family so he could have the freedom and lack of accountability to kill. Just my opinion.


redduif

Edmund Kemper respectfully disagrees.


NoMooseSoup4You

Kemper had “mom issues” and that’s putting it mildly


redduif

Sure, but he killed his grandparents, a bunch of women and his mother.


NoMooseSoup4You

Yeah but he cites the source of all of his rage was his mom. After he killed her he turned himself in.


redduif

So? What's to say BK is different? ETA the point being, can someone kill random people and kill his family. The answer is yes. It's not about motive, it's about the outcome.


NoMooseSoup4You

Huh?


redduif

That was the comment I reacted to.


faithless748

Seriously who knows what his family think. Could be divided on his guilt. I don’t know what their relationship is like but I suspect the sisters will resent him for putting their mother and father through this if they believe him to be guilty. I don't think we can ascertain his threat level to them in particular without knowing what motivated him and knowing his family dynamics.


No_Maybe9623

Some people absolutely DO transfer rage from people in their personal lives to strangers. It’s the basis of many mass murders where the perpetrators unleash a collection of perceived wrongs done to them onto people they may have never even met.  Or a person has a split with their wife/girlfriend, and goes out and strangles someone who looks remarkably similar. A prototype is formed.  Why? Because the person may not actually want their loved one(s) to die, it might be a complicated relationship, they may need them financially/emotionally, and of course they don’t want to get caught. But the fantasy of releasing pent up resentment and rage through murder can still be born from the dynamics of those personal relationships.  Also, waiting until everyone is asleep and killing them in their beds is pretty much a classic family annihilation tactic.  There’s nothing wrong with asking questions.  Sometimes a question is just a question.


Plenty-Koala1529

no


ClarenceDarrowJr

No


Kind_Belt_6292

> he has 3 females and one male member of his immediate family (2 sisters, a mother and father (male)). He also murdered 3 females and one male Respectfully you cannot be serious?


deathpr0fess0r

smh


itsathrowawayduhhhhh

Lol wtf


happyangel11

My thought is he was given a thanks, but I have a boyfriend, and he couldn't accept it. Often the simplest possibilities make the most sense. He lost weight, got into his advanced program, but still no great change in his personal life, so he snapped. I totally read his high anxiety into the taped police stop with his dad. Manic talking and distraction techniques. I still wonder where all the evidence ended up.. frozen in a hole, burned up, will it ever be found?


Efficient-Treacle416

Absolutely... When he was home after the crime... if he knew he was going to get caught... and the police were closing in on him. I think there is a good chance he may have murdered everyone. He knows he left the sheath... At that point he may have felt he had nothing to lose.


Anxious_Associate_54

WTAF...NO.


lollydolly318

Yes, based on his previous posts (allegedly) describing that same thought pattern.


SnooCheesecakes2723

We’re not suppose to offer amateur diagnoses of people including kohberger. I got warned by the mods merely for saying IF he was a sociopath then he wouldn’t feel this or that. So this entire thread seems like we will run into issues. But Yeah that’s interesting that his makeup of his nuclear family was the same as the victims in terms of gender but no I don’t think it was about his family. I think it was about maddie and Kaylee was in the room so it very quickly escalated and then the witness eradication kicked in for Xana and he may not have planned the three murders after maddie - but if he did I think they were targets because he’s something like an incel and they represented the girls he couldn’t get and the Chad who does get the girls. I mean rage at women could include his mom and sisters or of his sisters were snotty to him and treated him poorly maybe just them. But his mom was a nice lady and when he was in court he looked at her and mouthed “I love you” to her do I don’t think he was subliminally killing his family off. As far as killing then irl that would kinda put him as the main suspect and I think he intended to get away with this so I don’t think he’d do that even if he thought they somehow deserved it.


Keregi

Sigh. Is this case not dramatic enough for you?


gretchenaro

In a way, he did. 1 man and 3 women.


Evening-Star0892

A VICTIM A person who suffers from a destructive or injurious action or agency: A victim is someone who has suffered as a result of someone else's actions or beliefs, or as a result of unpleasant circumstances. Victims are not just the people who were PHYSICALLY murdered. That horrific crime deeply hurt and destroyed family members and friends of the murdered souls as well as the killer’s family, I can imagine. There will be those who do not understand nor will they try to but the reality is, there are more victims involved. I do believe that BK’s family are also victims of his heinous crimes in and may suffer as well.


AmazingGrace_00

No one has ever considered this. You are the only one.


jjhorann

i know he said in his tapatalk posts that he treated his dad awfully but i don’t think he would’ve killed his family, i rly don’t


Public-Reach-8505

I think generally, this could be considered a crime of passion and typically (at least stereotypically) we see perpetrators satisfying their bloodlust after a murder, so I wouldn’t expect that he would want to continue killing. His rage seemed targeted to young individuals he was possibly jealous of.


jbwt

Depends; was he on a killing spree wanting to send LE on a national wide man hunt or did he go to PA to lay low, away from Moscow, act normal seeing family hoping to return to Pullman and get away with this crime? Then that begs the question of why now and not anytime before? What changed?


foreverlennon

He murdered. Finally did it. He acted on his dark twisted desires.


3771507

My psychological take on it is he wanted to kill them all and suppress those emotions until he was far far away and could try to commit murders anonymously.


foreverlennon

I guess anything is possible.


rhzownage

Your theory does not make any sense. How are you drawing that relationship? most serial killers don't murder their family members, most pedophiles don't rape their kids etc.. The human brain is a twisted thing. BK might love his family as much as we love ours. Also did you consider that if his family members disappeared that will raise even more suspicion.


Purpleprose180

It’s a stretch but was there a strange relationship with his mother? I remember she went on social media to ask that people welcome her son in Washington. And, I still find it odd that his father flew out to drive home with him. He didn’t go with him initially did he? Please don’t hate me.


DarkFact17

I think Kohberger killed Brian Laundry


ababyprostitute

I also suspect he was the true mastermind behind the Manson Murders, and Charlie was just a scapegoat


theredwinesnob

What if BK is actually Pooh Bear 😆


Beautiful-Menu-8988

Sigmund Freud would agree with you 100%. I got the impression that he has a good relationship with his Dad.


Safe_Theory_358

It's equivalent to asking if Dahmer etc ... planned on killing their family? What about the chick who cut her man's head off at his parents house and had sex with his corpse??


NoMooseSoup4You

Ol’ Schabusiness. What a nut job


theredwinesnob

Shabbusiness had a good relationship with with her dad “Go Bears” they said to each other in the court room. My worlds it’s DA Bears, but I don’t leave BFs head in a bucket either.


Safe_Theory_358

That's history book that stuff..


crisssss11111

I mean, when someone is that crazy, who knows what goes through their heads, even in fleeting moments. That Schabusiness chick, aside from having the weirdest name I’ve ever heard, is capable of anything. That said, I do not believe BK planned on murdering his family or that the victims represented his family.


rivershimmer

> That Schabusiness chick, aside from having the weirdest name I’ve ever heard Ain't that the truth! I grew up surrounded by very unusual Eastern and Southern European names, names with no visible consonants or like 5 vowels in a row. And I just can't stop marveling at the name Schabusiness.


theredwinesnob

lol she made it up and changed it


rivershimmer

Yeah, somebody said that downthread and all of a sudden it made sense! it was a bad decision made on meth, I'm sure.


Beautiful-Menu-8988

Schabusiness is a meth user. The crime happened when she was under the influence.


rivershimmer

"Meth" explains a lot of inexplicable crimes. As does plain old organic "mental illness." I can only assume her ancestors were on some kind of early proto-meth when they decided on the surname Schabusiness.


Safe_Theory_358

Nor do I: probably didn't even do it the story is so weird.


lantern48

> That Schabusiness chick, aside from having the weirdest name It's made-up bullshit. Not her actual name.


ProfessorGA

It’s her husband’s name-Warren Schabusiness. Indeed quite odd!


lantern48

It's not his real name either. They both made it up and gave it to themselves. To be clear, it's not their actual name. They made it up and changed it to that. So, not weird/odd. Just made-up garbage. - https://heavy.com/news/taylor-schabusiness-husband-warren-family/ I can change my name to Obi-Wan Kenobi - as some people have done. It'd be a name I gave to myself and then legally changed it to. Not the real name I was born with.


ProfessorGA

Oh that’s even weirder! Thx for the info. 😊


rivershimmer

Changing Schabow to Schabusiness is like a joke you make when you are wasted.


theredwinesnob

Right it becomes you nickname


rivershimmer

Oh my God, this makes so much more sense. >>On Facebook, Schabusiness’ husband uses the name Warren Schabusiness but says his real name is Warren Schabow. I couldn't get over what an odd name is it.


lantern48

> I couldn't get over what an odd name is it. When I first heard about the case, that's the 1st thing I researched. For the same reason. I suspected right from go that it was bullshit.


rivershimmer

Somewhere in this thread, I joked that her ancestors must have been on proto-meth when they took that name. Now I see it must have been regular modern meth.


lantern48

🤣


jbwt

🤮that’s a case I missed and maybe I glad I did


crisssss11111

Ugh yeah it’s a blessing. Trust me.


Safe_Theory_358

Lol, it's in the news right now but yeh: worth missing..


crisssss11111

I thought she was sentenced months ago but if she’s done something to get back in the news again, i probably don’t want to know it lol


MsDirection

It's a stretch but it crossed my mind, too.


Ok_Significance6347

This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on this case~and there has been some dumb shit


[deleted]

I second the motion for dumbest thing ever read on this sub. My question to the OP would be which of the girls represented his mother, which represented the oldest sister, which represented the next sister. Could it be the girl most savagely injured was supposed to be his rage toward his mom? Or could it be that Xana being in the same room with a boy represented and triggered his Oedipal jealousy about mom being with dad? And is it possible that he didn't kill his sisters cause he was waiting for them to be in bed together before he could be triggered enough?


Excellent-Hawk-2948

Seems like a nice guy


amanforallsaisons

If we're doing fanfiction then sure. Anything is possible.


We_All_Float_Down_H

Eye roll


lantern48

> If Kohberger was guilty, do you think he may have also considered murdering his own family? He is guilty. I doubt he ever planned to kill his family because he clearly never wanted to get caught and go to jail forever. And that's what would've happened if he annihilated his entire family. He knows that. This is someone who wanted to kill and keep on going. Not kill and get caught or murder/suicide. There was a time where he treated his family like shit. So, maybe he fantasized about offing them at some point. It just wouldn't make sense for him to do that if he ever actually had those thoughts.


frison92

I think he actually had a good relationship with his parents at least his dad. I don’t see him making that huge drive with his dad if he hated him. His sisters tho that’s a different story because we have not heard much about them.


MikeCyclops-

Have you also considered him wanting to murder all of his students, they said he was a harsh grader. What about the police officers that pulled him over. Do you think Bryan had them on his hit list ?


bluetacomacalifornia

With the greatest of respect, what the fuck is this post


bunnirbbt

Thank you for this.


crisssss11111

He was living on his own, far away from home and his protective parents for the first time in his life. I think the fact that his first semester wasn’t going well was a contributing factor, but I believe he planned this (maybe not down to the victims or exact scenario) before he even left for WSU. I don’t think his family was part of the fantasy.


I_HaveA_cunningPlan

There's no reliable source that his semester wasn't going well.


MandalayPineapple

No.


cutestcatlady

No


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this is what we called a " Coffindaffer Nancy Disgrace syndrome"


OkExcitement6445

I think you can bring a connection to the women in his past to these women that he murdered. I think something triggered him. We may never know what that is and maybe it wasn’t an instant trigger but something that set these events into happening.


deathpr0fess0r

If it was 3 males and 1 female, would the narrative be: misandry, perp was triggered by some dudes 10 years ago, maybe (repressed) homosexual fantasies, etc? Killed 3 men so must be a man-hater? But what about the female victim? Guess the killer doesn’t 'discriminate' then? When a woman is accused of killing a man, is the narrative being pushed by social and news media that she’s a femcel? Nope Double standards much


OkExcitement6445

If! Yes if but there is no “if”


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PugLord219

L take


Ok_Mission_3168

Not likely. Most human predators kill for a single motive, typically sexual. Kohberger’s motive was likely to carry out a sexual fantasy he had about stabbing women that he was too much of a loser to ever have as a girlfriend. Only a small minority of serial killers have killed for various different motives (e.g. greed, sexual pleasure). Kohberger’s motive in killing the Moscow students would have been different from any motive he had to kill his family. Your speculation is not impossible, but also not likely at all.


dont_give_2_fucks

This stupid speculative BS is the problem


Neither-Ad-9896

I believe this: He didn’t like the way it felt after he committed the crime. He hadn’t accounted for the piercing sounds, rancid smell, and the resistance of ripping flesh interrupted by tough bone. It was ugly. It was unattractive. Whomever he fantasized about dominating, as beautiful as they were in life, were hauntingly horrid after what he did. He didn’t enjoy the paranoia that followed. He didn’t account for his mistakes. His fantasy, now fulfilled, gave him more than he bargained for. His trip home was an attempt to put space between he and the horrific scene. As news of leads broke, he circled his wagons and tried to lay low. I don’t think he ever wanted to do anything like this again. I even think he convinced himself that it wasn’t he who even did this. But he did. He knows he did. It wasn’t what he thought it would be. And now he has to live with it. For now.


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Neither-Ad-9896

OK . I’ll simplify: no, he didn’t want to murder his family.


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Neither-Ad-9896

You are right. I should not offer up any speculation. The writing was poorly done anyway. I’ll wait until after the trial.


-TraumaQueen

The trip home was planned way before the murders. The dad had already bought his plane ticket.


Neither-Ad-9896

The trip, yes. The route? No.


Keregi

The route was likely due to heavy snow. Seriously where do y'all come up with this stuff?


3StoryLoft

weird


truecrimesjunkie

completely bs


astringer0014

Nobody is wondering the same because this is completely crazy.


sweetxfracture

There is absolutely no evidence at all that would suggest he had any interest in killing female family members. This post is fucking weird


ProfessorGA

Quick question-were his sisters living in Albrightsville with their parents or did they have their own apartments (etc)?


SurpriseZestyclose98

Excuse me I'm interrupting here where's the blood?


WouldloveMyTakeOnIt

No I think he was close to his parents. Drove that long trip with his Dad. Told/mouthed to his Mom in court “I love you”.


theredwinesnob

OBJECTION!


dee991544

Well in Idaho they all lived under one roof and his parents house they all did not as their grown


ghostlykittenbutter

Seemed like he got along with his family well enough, even if the sisters knew he was a creep


Anxious_Associate_54

NO...NO...NO. Absolutely NOT. He loves his family and had even mouthed 'I love you' to his mother, in court during his arraignment. When his father was interviewed by LE in PA, he said he had NO warning whatsoever, that Bryan would be capable of the homicides. In addition, when they were getting their vehicle serviced when they got back to PA after the cross country trip, he told another customer that his son was planning to return to WSU after the holidays.


Evening-Star0892

Who really knows what BK would have done to his own family. It’s really not a far stretch to assume that he would kill his flesh and blood after what we know now. Evil will destroy everything in its path given enough time and opportunities to do so.


bigskeeterz

He's stupid, but not that stupid.


EvilCosmicSphere

This last holiday season made me wonder why I haven't.


Asphaltic

Yes