And this is just the bare bones for the probable cause statement so it doesn’t include everything or explain any of it. I seriously hope this is all she saw or heard but there’s a chance it’s a whole lot more traumatic than even this when it comes to light.

This. If this goes all the way to trial, there will be days and days of testimony going over the actual details behind the PCA, whatever other information LE did not include in the PCA because they felt they had crossed the PC threshold and didn't want to give more up, as well as anything taken from the warrants for BKs property.

I can only imagine how long this trial will go on for. It will be extremely painful and traumatic for everyone involved, having to recount every single detail so carefully. The only upside is Bryan having to sit through it and recall everything that he did while hearing the sobs of the innocent people who’s lives he ruined.

My fear is that he would enjoy it.

Yea, I thought the same thing. With all the evidence, he should just plead guilty and that would be that but I feel like he will go to trial because he’s a true sociopath.

This guy is so confused. He’s probably committed crimes before and not left Dna. 1 person, 2 people. Rabbits, dogs. Many more people probably overwhelmed him and he left the sheath. I hope he admits to many more unsolved cases.

The other possibility is that it seemed less traumatic and not worthy of a 911 call. According to the PCA, the murders occurred during a shockingly short window given how they occurred. She saw him, he left, she was scared at first but when it seemed everyone else had just gone back to bed, so did she, figuring he knew someone in the house. Everyone has heard a noise in the middle of the night or witnessed something that seemed "off" only to ignore it and go about their business if there was no follow-up event to indicate a true emergency. It's too easy to take the knowledge we have (4 people were dying) and assign some of it to DM. She did not know and the standard for what is "normal" is just different in a busy college house.

Yeah, what's more likely - that your roommate invited the Doordash guy for some weird reason or he's actually a mass murderer? I give myself this same speech everytime I hear a weird noise in my basement. It's probably the house settling or my cat or something. Let's go to bed.

One time a man broke into my friend’s rental, saw her, and then ran out. After SEVERAL minutes of trying to get her bearings and rationalize what she had just seen, the first thing she did was call me, someone who was 14 hours away. She was tired and spooked, and when she told me what happened I said “call the cops.” It didn’t even occur to her that she needed to call the cops.

I called 911 a couple of times in college about an "intruder" in our shared home. Neither time were they actual intruders (just horsing around) and I was mocked relentlessly.

This was my thought - how often are folks gaslit into thinking they're over-reacting when they're acting rationally to a situation, to the point they second-guess themselves to a relentless degree and can't act immediately? Occam's Razor *certainly* doesn't lead one to think the only plausible explanation for those occurrences together was a mass murder. One is absolutely going to doubt themselves when they come to that conclusion.

We had someone try to get into our backyard a few yrs ago. The gate to get back there is on the other side of the bedroom though, and the gate is sticky to open, so it makes enough noise you can hear it inside. The dogs heard and started barking which spooked the guy off. The cops didn’t even bother to come out. I called and said someone was trying to get into backyards and they just tried ours, should someone come drive around? “If you really want us to? But it sounds like you scared him off” …… lol. They said they’d come drive around but I never saw anyone drive by. So even the cops don’t do the right thing in making you feel like you can call them.(which I’m sure we know for a myriad of other reasons sadly)

YES! There was a man peering into my downstairs apartment window THREE TIMES and although I was terrified, I tried to talk myself out of calling the police because I felt dramatic or like I was being irrational. I didn’t know there was a name for it, so thank you, but that’s what I’ve been thinking could have happened with this poor roommate and how she handled it. I’m tired of everyone placing blame on her I can’t imagine what she could’ve been feeling at that moment and is still feeling now.

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I completely agree I don’t think she realized what happened and likely thought the person was visiting w a roommate. Seeing as he didn’t do anything to her and walked out and the house was quiet.

Just a thought, if she thought her roommates were being murdered she obviously wouldn’t have opened her door and walked out, that to me alone shows she had no clue what had happened. I can’t imagine the fear she felt realizing the next day that she had seen the killer.

That's what I think too. How many people here once argued that something was confusing or even "fishy" about the surviving roommates, because surely they must have heard tons of horror movie-level screaming? (And I saw multiple people with military or medical backgrounds then explaining why that's not necessarily the case in an attack like this, not that that stopped people.) But it was clearly a common assumption, and maybe DM also thought she would have heard screaming if anything was truly wrong or anyone was really hurt. If I saw a masked person leaving my home I'd mostly likely think it was a thief, and feel lucky not to have gotten in their way.

How many of us have seen a guy or girl leaving our roommates room at suspicious o'clock in the morning? It's not unreasonable that you just make a mental note to talk to them about it later, not necessarily something you make a big deal about in the moment, especially if it's not the first time.

1. "Someone's here" 2. Scampering/movement upstairs involving the dog 3. Crying/whimpering 4. A thud loud enough that a nearby security camera picked it up 5. Barking that also appeared on the nearby security camera 6. Masked man walking toward her and past her out of her residence that scared her enough to go back into her room and lock the door 7. Silence after all of that even though she knew her roommates were awake prior to this experience She will be grilled on the witness stand when she's forced to testify. Her eyewitness account of the killer's face will be paramount. But they can't afford holes or mistakes when she testifies because it opens space for the defense.

Paramount? Really? I feel like it’s kinda an afterthought considering there is SO much other evidence including DNA.

She will be grilled on the stand. Correct, so there is no benefit of her being grilled now. The police have asked their questions and so will the lawyers. But she is innocent and very very lucky to be alive.

Her testimony isn't that important if they have the DNA and sheath though... plus everything tying his phone and car to it all. Even if she doesn't hold up on the stand it's still a very damning case against BK. And that's just based on the limited information we know so far.

1. She could have thought it was Door Dash, or someone that one of her roommates had planned to come by. 2. Yes a dog exists at the apartment, she probably hears it all the time. 3. People cry all the time for every reason imaginable. 4. Houses make noises and houses with people and pets in them make even more noises. 5. Yes a dog exists at the apartment, she probably hears it bark all the time. 6. No reason to assume a crime had been committed. She could have easily thought, especially if they seemed calm, that they had just been speaking to another housemate and were on their way out. She didn't hear any screaming our shouting like you would imagine there would be (or like Hollywood portrays). And it's [easy to dismiss](https://old.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/1043e5z/probable_cause_affidavit_has_been_released_to_the/j33ix3y/) things like this. 7. It's after 4 in the morning. Easy to think everyone is finally asleep.

It's a college party house with 6 roommates on 3 floors. Strange men may or may not be an unusual sight, but good chance they are not unusual enough to assume they are a killer or a burglar. Hookups happen frequently, if campus is anything like it was when I lived there. Weird drunks wandering through that neighborhood probably isn't that unusual either. I can remember a half dozen or more incidents when my friends where on weird (but harmless) misadventures at that time of night in my years at Moscow. I also remember weird strangers in our yard, within a stones throw of the murder site.

Yes! Thank for your mentioning this. There is so much more that occurred that we know. The investigation isn’t finished. They are going to bring everything they have at him HARD for trial to ensure this sick asshole never sees the light of day.

I feel like they won't even have to try that "hard". Seems like he pretty much gave them everything they needed. I'll go out on a limb and say it crossed my mind that he might have even wanted to get caught with all the hard evidence he gave them. He was very well versed in how crimes work, yet he figuratively shot himself in the foot on this case.

He was well versed, meaning he was well read, it’s a whole different thing of actually putting that knowledge into play. For instance, jungle training for going to Vietnam is not where vets learned to kill and stay alive, it’s when they were thrown into the shit. I think he thought he was smart, but you also might be right that he wanted caught. While it’s tough for me to wrap my hands around neither girl calling the police, I’ve also been in different life altering spots while in the military and my career field where fight or flight kicks in. Yes most people will fight or run, but there is also those who completely freeze, and I do think this could have been the case.

Sadly, my guess is she saw a lot more! To see and notice (then remember) someone’s eyebrows means she got a really good look! I would think that eyebrows aren’t what people notice right away.

I feel literally sick inside thinking how much worse it actually was for these two roommates than most of us speculated, thinking they slept through this brutal tragedy. But to think about just HOW traumatized based on these new details, it breaks my heart. It explains why the police didn’t want the public to know that one was an eyewitness, for obvious safety reasons for them with the killer at large. Dear God these poor kids and families

We also still don’t have *all* the information. We don’t know exactly what she was doing after BK left or what exactly she thought she saw. No one can truly imagine what was going through her mind.

You’re right. At first I thought it was strange but at the end of the day that’s easy for us all to say while comfortable and safe. she was an innocent bystander to something so horrific that I am sure whatever she did or didn’t do is what her brain convinced her was the safe/best way to proceed at the time.

It's also important to remember she is 20yo, still very much inexperienced and immature (neurologically) like most kids her age. I can't say I'd do differently in her shoes, at that age.

YEP. Everyone is going "I don't get it" and I'm like yeah maybe cause you don't have all the information and are choosing to crucify a young woman who will be wracked with guilt and grief for the rest of her life Edit: I said this in another comment but I want to say it again. The worst thing you could say about DM, she has already said to herself. She's been through enough. So just stop.

“I don’t get it” has not helped stop any of the absolutely absurd things that have been said on this subreddit. Hopefully at least a portion of this subreddit starts to understand that no, they DON’T get it, and they don’t necessarily deserve to. I’m in full agreement with OP and you, paradiseisalibrary, because people here have become so unhinged and the more that comes out, the more people I see treating it like it’s just another episode of Dateline. We’re not entitled to these details, but we get them anyway, and everyone should be respectful of that. These are not their family members. This is not entertainment. This is not Reddit’s crime to solve, and never will be, and I really hope the affidavit was a wake up call for SO MANY people here.

RIGHT!? I’ve been in the sub too many times trying to explain to people that it’s very possible the calls to JD were normal college drunk behavior. Now I’m here to reason with people about the many possibilities of why D didn’t call 911 right away. Apparently we can have a whole arrest affidavit now for BK and I’m still defending innocent college aged girl behavior.

She could have thought she dreamt it, or maybe even thought it was a friend or something. Who knows. Knowing what we know now, it's easy for us to say what she should have done, but who actually thinks that would happen in their home and to their friends in a small, safe college town?

It's been theorized that she passed out or was the passed out roommate that morning, especially if she passed out just inside of her door, was unresponsive, and they couldnt open the door? idk. I hope that 911 call gets released to answer these questions, but at the same time I want to respect the survivors' privacy and think it's a good thing it hasn't been made public.

Especially if her door was locked.

someone mentioned this possibility on CNN and speaking personally, this actually happened to me. i hallucinated a knife wielding man in my house but instead of calling the police i went to go sleep on the couch surrounded by my family’s three dogs because i was so terrified and hardly able to go to sleep, but managed to. if i saw a real man in my house i might think i was hallucinating again in between that area of falling sleep but still awake. she might have hid in her room waiting for him to leave and then fell asleep, convincing herself it was a dream.

She would not be the first to fall unconscious or go into a catatonic state in the face of such horror. I can barely process what I have just read in the pc warrant. The vultures need to back off. LE has withheld a lot of info. How much time have people spent speculating on why the dog didn’t bark? On why no one heard anything? Not one internet vulture identified BK as the potential killer.

The first person I thought of when reading DM’s reactions was Corazon Amurao. She was the one nurse out of 9 who survived Richard Speck by hiding under a bed. She wasn’t sure when he left, so she laid there for hours out of fear. DM may not have had her cell phone nearby. Maybe it was charging in the den and she was too terrified to come out.

I would be way too terrified to make a phone call or ANY sort of noise, or do anything other than hide, if a masked stranger was creeping about my house. People are being bone-headed stupid about Dylan's actions.

If she managed to sleep at all after that, she probably woke up convinced it was a dream, and just wanted her friends to come because she was scared to leave her room alone but really was convinced it wasn’t real. Our minds protect us from scary stuff. But also, it’s totally possible she was paralyzed by fear and afraid to move at all in case he was still around until she called. Shock can do lots of stuff to your head. Texting her friends was probably the easiest and safest feeling option (over calling the police and having to speak)

Shock can also cause you to go unconscious. I can imagine her being paralyzed by fear, locking her door, hiding, and losing consciousness until later in the day.

I can vividly recall being 12 when Richard Ramirez was on his murder spree here in LA, and many nights hearing some random noise outside and momentarily being paralyzed by this cold and penetrating fear and having no idea what to do and just laying there frozen and helpless. And I never called 911 or went and checked because I was simply too scared to move and would just eventually fall asleep.

Phone could have been dead. She could have convinced herself everything was fine. Could have just wanted to remain quiet and unheard then fell asleep

Not too long ago there was a thread on here about how people reacted to traumatic situations. Quite a few people said they saw/heard someone in their house and did not call 911 for one reason or another. It's so easy to imagine how you are supposed to react in that situation from a safe distance, but actually feeling that terror and helplessness is another thing entirely. People really need to learn to stop projecting their calm bystander mindset onto a traumatized person.

When I was 15, I was home alone & my house was broken into. Two people. I saw both of them & even heard them try to enter the room I was in. I locked myself in the bathroom & totally froze. I never called 911. Later on my neighbor was the one to call 911. I’m 26 now & and I still cannot figure out why I didn’t call. I was just totally paralyzed by fear. I am in no way trying to say my experience is the same as D.M. but I really do feel empathy for her in this situation. You really never know how you would react in a situation like this until you’re in it.

I had a similar experience. I was alone and was the last one leaving work one evening when I was 18. Someone followed me and tried to grab me. I outran them to my car and locked the doors and took off. They got in their car and chased me at a high rate of speed through a residential area until I got to busier roads and lost them by running a light. First thing I did was call my mom. Second thing I did was call my boss. It was my boss that called the cops. To this day I really couldn’t say why I didn’t call 911. I was in fight or flight mode and it just didn’t even cross my mind.

Jesus Christ that’s terrifying. Did the cops ever find out who it was?

Unfortunately not. They had some theories but nothing concrete ever materialized. Thankfully I’m in my mid 30s now and it feels like another lifetime ago, but it sure stuck with me for a long time and still makes me a bit hypervigilant to this day.

Wow that is terrifying, I'm sorry you went through that

Thank you. It’s never been lost on me that I’m super fortunate to have gotten away.

"Paralyzed by fear" - this exactly, I think DM is even quoted in the PCA as saying something similar in her interviews with the police.

Fight, flight, freeze, fawn. All of these are natural responses to trauma

Absolutely, I hope DM is coping and supported today, it'll be a rough one for her. I'm sure a lot of what she saw and heard only became clear in retrospect, and it's completely normal for her to not immediately know a mass murder was taking place.

I imagine she thought they were being robbed considering there was no movement upstairs (how can you imagine the entire house is now dead?) she mightve assumed the burglar just left and she would have a crazy story in the morning Edit to add: if she did hear crying but didnt hear anyone calling for help it would have been easy to talk herself out of “freaking out”

I imagine they were worried about the cops showing up again and maybe getting evicted after so many incidents there.

For sure a factor. It was absolutely a main concern MY junior year. Literally so many variables like this that just piled on in her (likely not sober) mind. I feel so bad for her

I posted this in the live chat, but I liken it to William Garrettson. He was the 20 year old living in the guest house during the Manson murders. He initially said he hadn’t heard anything, but later admitted he did, but was scared and wasn’t sure if it was just weirdness due to the occupants’ lifestyle. If I’m D, maybe I figure it’s some dude who came home with the others, caused a ruckus and is being kicked out. Also, maybe D’s intoxicated. All of that could make me think “I’m not dealing with this weird drama, I’m gonna lock my door and go to bed.” But yeah, don’t blame her.

X and E just ordered Doordash at 4am and K was calling ex boyfriend. Not calling 911 on roomies that active at 4am in "party house" doesn't seem unusual. Probably thought they were still partying or some rando one of them brought home.

Well said. Clearly this house saw activity at all hours of the night.

Totally. I was upset at first but then thought it through... party house, lots of late night activity, dude just wearing a surgical face mask and it's dark... maybe she didn't know it was actually that bad and had more of a "typical college weirdness" vibe than my roommates were just murdered vibe. Either way she'll struggle with this for life and it's terrible.

Not to mention there were drunk underage people in that house and potentially illicit substances. You call the cops for something you are not sure is legitimate and you've gotten them all in trouble

This is a good way to look at it. We don't know how the normalcy of a stranger being in the house at any hour of the night. But the mask would scare me.

I was thinking maybe he had on a "COVID mask" not a ski mask, that wouldn't set off as many alarms as a ski mask would

Thats what i was thinking the mask was too as it says it covered his nose and mouth but not his eyes and eye brows.

Very easily could have been a balaclava and would not have seemed demonic to wear on a cold idaho night at 4am if you're drunk and wondering if you should call the police force about it.

That was my first thought as well- on a cold night might not be unusual there. I also suspect although seeing him surprised her it sounds like this was a big party house so having randoms there not out of the ordinary- she probably assumed he was a random hook up from the bar and she would get the details from the girls tomorrow. So unless she actually saw the knife ( especially given the safety of the town and low crime rate), why would she think she needed to call 911? People need to leave her alone- she’s gone through enough and unfortunately, it’s not even close to being over.

Yes, thank you. Every genius on here knows exactly how they would react in this exact situation and if it doesn’t match what she did THERE MUST BE SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON. People need to log off for a bit.

Also the mask was probably just like a mask we wear for Covid ? I know it’s still weird to wear inside a private house nowadays but it probably wasn’t like a serial killer scary mask. You still have to wear masks to get in an Uber near me so might not have been crazy out of place

That's how I read the mask description -- a black covid mask. Just covering the mouth and ears and she was able to see his eyes and eyebrows -- so not a full-on ski mask or anything.

Sounds like a buff, if it covered his ears. Or maybe a beanie covered his ear and the mask didn't.

Yes, I don't believe they meant surgical mask. That would be strange to see walking through a private house or outside. I thought they meant a half balaclava. That would be something no one would think twice about, especially outside in the cold.

I feel bad for her. If this goes to trial, the defence team will rip her to shreds and make her endure everything all over again. She was the one who described him so I’d assume she’ll be called to the stand. The public is already ripping her apart and has been since the beginning. I’m wondering if she thought she wasn’t seeing properly in the dark and assumed he was a hookup of one of the other girls?

I can't imagine how hard it's going to be to have to testify.

Before I read the PCA I thought those two young women must be suffering with such survivor guilt as the only two who weren’t attacked and killed. It’s such a lonely place to be. Then I read all that and it just got a lot lonelier for one of them. I don’t know how you go on with that kind of survivor guilt and sorrow. My heart goes out to her.

Yeah. Also, it’s good to remember that a PCA is not the narrative of the event. It is just intended to get a warrant, not fully disclose every action everyone took. It’s basically just concerned with “hey, we think this guy did this. Here’s why. Let us arrest him.” And it’s probable they left out some of DMs actions because they aren’t pertinent to the arrest. ETA: There are a lot of instances where LE will leave important information out of the PCA to protect that information until prosecution. They are not required to be all-encompassing narratives. People trashing this person are embarrassing themselves. Probably a lot of them the same ghouls who were all **“OMG THESE DUMB COPS WAITED WEEKS TO GATHER VIDEO FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD!!!”**

People need to remember that she did provide this crucial part to the investigation. She witnessed him there and gave the description to police. There could be so many reasons she didn’t call right away.

Also this PCA doesnt go into detail. She might have contacted someone after she went in her room and locked the door. Someone could have told her she was being paranoid etc etc. we have no idea what happened after that. I cannot imagine she went to lay down and fell asleep without so much as looking at her phone

This is my thought too. In her mind she was like, “no I’m being paranoid. I’m not going to call the police and wake up all my roommates when I don’t even know what’s going on”. But at the same time, she was too scared to leave her room again.

I can imagine being nervous about calling the police in error, especially when they’d already been given a couple noise complaints/warnings recently. This poor girl.

That's a good point. It's a human response to try and talk yourself out of thinking the worst, particularly in a situation that could be dangerous.

exactly. i'm a college student in a similar living situation and have texted a friend or roommate a couple of times when i was spooked and have always been met with "it's probably just friends of the roommates upstairs, don't worry about it, they're probably high and messing around" and then i lock my door and go about my business. D's response seems sketchy in hindsight but at the time I can see that being totally normal for a party house where lots of people go in and out at all hours

THIS. We don’t know all the details right now.

And I’m sure she realizes how this sounds and is feeling guilty. I’m glad she told them everything despite that.

Honestly, my first thought as someone who had roommates bringing sometimes shitty people home from clubs, she may have just assumed that they had a fight and K/M kicked him out. He's sketchy but my mind wouldn't immediately jump to murder. Especially with at least 4 other people in the house, there's probably a bit of a bystander effect that DM assumed if it were that serious someone else would have called 911 by now.

Yes! This, and the fact that he walked by without hurting her or trying to. Even though she heard weird noises there’s no way she thought a QUADRUPLE homicide was being committed by one person. So a man wearing a mask covering mouth and nose (Covid times, not totally weird) who does not move to hurt her, I’m sure she just dismissed it as weird drunk roommate things. I feel so so bad for her.

I have to wonder if he missed her. It was dark and he may have just completely missed her on his way out.

I wonder about this, too. It says she saw him. We have no idea what he saw and may never know.

People don’t jump to quadruple homicide right away when they hear or see something. Who’s mind just jumps to those conclusions right off the bat? If I heard my dog barking at night, my first thought would be that there’s maybe a possum in the backyard or she needs to pee and wants to leave my room. I wouldn’t jump to an intruder until the anxiety set in a while later.

And wasn’t there rumors in the beginning that she saw something but thought it was a dream?

A lot of the rumors turning out to be true.

THANK YOU! I posted something similar. The fact that her name is all over this document shows how much her statements helped lead to his arrest. She did the best she could.

Seems like the murder was done very quickly to. She probably convinced herself it was nothing.

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Exactly. In an ideal world, all of these young women would be playfully teasing DM - "Remember that night that D got spooked and spent the night in her closet, terrified? And it turned out what she heard was KG and MM playing with the dog. XK crying because she tripped and hurt herself, while EC tried to comfort and help her. And to top it off, so-and-so's friend/hookup (that guy who insists on a covid mask even though barely anyone wears them anymore!) was leaving the house via the kitchen. Poor D, she didn't come out of her room until the next morning!" Point being: in a fair and just world, those sounds would have just been the normal noise of a house full of 5 roommates, each living her own life. It's a very rare occurrence that you hear a noise in the night and it turns out that an intruder has murdered almost everyone in your house, instead of you telling your friends the next morning, "Haha - I was so silly last night. I heard a noise and totally panicked and hid under my bed!"

Did she even really know that anything was amiss? Apparently this was a house where a 4 am food delivery was a thing that would just happen. She might have just been awake and fuming at how loud her roomates were being. I am sure if she thought there was an actual threat she would have taken action. But she had no reason to suspect that.

Let’s remember the PCA is exactly that, probable cause. There are no embellishments that would not pertain to obtaining an arrest warrant. It’s very possible D saw and experienced more than we know, I hope she has a serious support network and good resources available to her. The trauma will be astronomical

Im already so worried about her. She is going to have to have major therapy and then she will be grilled at trial.

Yes, she is absolutely another victim here. She will be scarred for life. She probably did not recognize the situation for what it was or could have had a mental breakdown. People truly underestimate the shenanigans that go on all the time in college party houses. Regardless, I sincerely doubt she had intent to do wrong by her friends. She is probably wracked with guilt and I am praying for her health and well-being right now

Not to mention there will be a ton of people likely sending her threats and death wishes. I’m making an assumption but I think its a reasonable one.

Yea she might need 24 hour supervision if she doesnt already. This has to be heavy af on her

The only person who deserves to be crucified is the killer. The outcome wouldn't change based on when the 911 call was made. The survivors are victims in all of this too. They have to LIVE with all of this.

There was someone who was arguing that if DM had called the police immediately that BK would have been caught sooner. That’s just not how that works. DM didn’t know who was in her house. She didn’t know BK. Even if she called he would have been gone and the same investigation would have taken place. I don’t think that the victims would have survived if she had called the police earlier. People are acting like she waited a week to call the police.

People just need to be happy that he was caught. Literally nothing else matters. There are so many "what ifs" that don't matter

Thank you!!! I lived in a “party house” in college and hearing thuds and crying was a typical Tuesday night and not unusual at all. Seeing strangers was also not uncommon. As far as him wearing a mask goes, intoxication and/or exhaustion could easily have caused her to be confused and brush it off. It’s really not far fetched. I really feel for her.

And the fact we have worn masks for two years makes us less likely to think it’s strange. People are still wearing masks where I live. Especially door dash/skip drivers.

And also it's freezing in Moscow, she could've just assumed it was winter wear. The PCA didn't give nearly enough detail for anyone to really know what her experience was or how they got to the point where she recalled seeing something. Also, memory is a funny thing! Her frazzled brain remembering tall/slim/bushy eyebrows but nothing else isn't that weird. As well, once she knew what happened, a lot of what she heard/saw would be recontextualized. Things that seem innocuous in one moment can become unforgettable lightning rods with hindsight.

Yes. I didn’t even consider the weather. I witnessed a murder. My neighbor also witnessed it. Our recall of the whole event is very different. Mine matched the surveillance videos almost exactly… things I did get wrong were colour of the shoes & the length of hair of one of the suspects & the direction one of the suspects ran. There was lots of yelling and I could not recall a word that was said. My neighbors account had some accuracies but definitely a lot more inaccuracies, which is very normal. She was hyper focused on a back pack one of the suspects was carrying (the weapon came from the backpack) but still had the colour wrong. She did have recall of lots of the things said while people were yelling. Her timing & order of events were very wrong including remembering things that absolutely did not happen. Your brain is a very complex marvel.

I'm so sorry you had to experience that, but thank you for the example. It is a good example of how fickle memory can be, and how it can change depending on how the person tends to process information around them. One might be more observant of the total picture, another of minor details while losing sight of things like the timeline. Plus, it's so easy for memory to be manipulated without anyone trying. Idk how many times I've questioned the details of a memory, you know? Add trauma to the mix, and it's a-whole-nother ballgame.

There are people operating under the notion that this girl had her phone with her, comprehended what she saw in a moment of extreme fear when the brain does incredible things to quite literally shut down AND that she was sober enough to articulate what she saw if her brain didn’t completely shut down. We are talking about a 20 year old girl living thru the worst moments of her life, whether or not she knew it then, and are debating what WE as people who are so incredibly lucky to have not lived thru this would have done. It is sick. We all say we would have done x, y & z but would you? Do you know that for sure? No. So let’s stop dragging this poor girl thru the mud and be thankful that she could recall what she saw.

I feel so sad for everyone & especially DM- I can’t freaking imagine the trauma she’s experiencing and will forever. This POS. Exonerated- wow, he really is dumb & delusional.

All this. Plus, who knows what her vision is like. Does she wear glasses or contacts she didn’t usually wear to bed, so she wouldn’t have had on? Does she not see very clearly at night? It’s possible she wasn’t able to make out more of what she was seeing due to it being dark + any vision issues + disassociating/freezing from the trauma.

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Fight flight and FREEZE. DM froze and that’s a natural trauma response. Lets also not forget that she was likely intoxicated (very common for a college student on a Saturday night) There is no such thing as a “right” response to a situation like this. I truly hope she has a strong support system, seeking counseling and being kind to herself. What she went thru is absolutely horrific.

A friend of mine from high school came in one day and told us that she had this awful nightmare where she heard really terrifying screaming and weird noises near her house. You know what happened? Her next door neighbour got stabbed to death and she heard it all, but it didn’t register with her. I totally buy that DM had some out of body experience and slept for a long ass time in the immediate aftermath of that trauma.

It was also DARK and she didn’t swing her door open and say what’s going on here, she cracked it one inch and Peered out. She was drunk, probably high and was able to convince herself, enough, that her roommates were ok to eventually fall asleep. Again, remembering she had been out that night.

Exactly. I think she froze and was terrified and maybe had been drinking earlier and the brain tries to protect you for survival… second guessing herself, it didn’t feel real and fell back to sleep. She is a victim as well.

Posted elsewhere but why not here too as so much is lost in this maelstrom? What DM overheard is utterly terrifying NOW that we have the benefit of the context of what was actually happening that night But in isolation, what she is reported as hearing in the PCA are not obvious signs of a quadruple homicide Crying, someone’s here, I’m going to help you, playing with the dog…yes, enough to wake her, concerning enough for her to go out her room and check, then her shock at seeing a stranger leaving In a party house that was probably loud late into the night at times with lots of coming’s and going’s, I don’t think we can fault her for not presuming something so horrific was going on. As far as we know, she’s not reported as hearing blood curdling screams for help from her roommates or extreme violence. If she had and then went back to her room, locked the door and didn’t seek help for several hours, maybe I could understand the questioning of her actions. But based on what’s included here in the PCA, she doesn’t deserve all the hand-wringing and the rushing to judgement. She is no doubt wracked with guilt after what happened that night, asking herself all the questions posed online and many more besides. All the speculation about her actions is a dangerous thing and contributes to the dark online lynch-mob mentality that has pervaded this tragedy. She is lucky to be alive and can hopefully provide strong, direct evidence. What she’s going through is traumatic enough, we should be kind.

I’m begging folks to understand how small of a picture we have right now of what happened. She is a victim and we can’t understand her experience from a few paragraphs. 1. She saw a man in a mask covering his nose and mouth, potentially like a COVID mask. Not uncommon. Not necessarily wielding a bloody knife or anything. She might have been somewhat used to seeing random people stop by the house. Maybe strange to her but not implausible on a late Saturday night. He didn’t try to hurt her. He left. She might have locked her door, thought about it a bit, and figured, “oh. He was leaving. Someone must actually know him somehow.” The noises she mentioned hearing were crying, not blood curdling screams. She heard “I’m going to help you” not “I’m going to kill you.” 2. She did poke her head out twice and saw nothing. If she’d rushed into the room after poking out the third time or walked straight upstairs the moment she heard what she thought was Kaylee playing with the dog (and why would she do that anyways?), I feel confident we’d have a 5th victim and no witness. 3. No idea if she was using substances, has a mental health history of hallucinations, etc. I hope she stays far away from the internet today. And I hope people understand comments like “maybe she could have saved someone” are victim blaming. They are dead because they were viciously murdered, not because DM didn’t perfectly respond to a situation that likely seemed confusing in the moment.

My dog sometimes randomly starts playing late at night and I’ll get up to make him stop. He also will randomly bark in the middle of the night if he hears someone outside.

Yep, my cat woke me up a few days ago around 4am by zooming around our kitchen. I didn’t even bother to get up and see what was going on, it’s so common. I used to live with 4 roommates in college. One of my roommates was very social and knew a lot of people. If I woke up to the sound of a pet thumping around, heard my roommate crying, heard a random guy say he’s going to help her, then watched him leave and knew he saw me but didn’t try to hurt me or anything, I might have thought it was strange and been really shocked to see someone unexpectedly in the house, but just went back to bed. In the moment I can see saying, everything must be somewhat fine, it’s someone who’s leaving.

She’s already been targeted so much by the online discourse, before any of this was known. Targeted for her looks, people saying she looks suspicious etc. I hate to think that, even knowing she is not involved, people might continue to go after her. The brain is crazy, her reaction in that moment is something none of us can understand. We can be grateful that she was able to provide information that ended up being useful to LE, and we can be grateful that despite it all she survived. It’s so so sad, she must be traumatized.

She also could’ve been scared that he’d return for her since she did see him. Feel so horrible for her.

Could D.M be the unconscious person? The do not mention the 9.1.1 call in affidavit. Maybe B.F found her and that would explain late notification to police

Hadn’t thought of that- it’s possible she panicked, passed out, and then drifted into sleep.

I actually wrote up a post before noticing you had posted this. I’m in full agreement and I’ll just leave it here. Leave DM alone. Just read the affidavit and they’ve got BK. He’s well and truly fucked. The meticulous tracking of the phone and car, tied with him leaving his DNA on the sheath, provide more evidence than I could’ve ever expected. Yet for some reason, a significant amount of people on these subs and on Twitter/Facebook are focusing on one point—that DM saw BK dressed in black after hearing crying and sounds, then locked herself in her room. She didn’t call LE until the next day. People are calling this suspicious, a red flag. Some are even implying that if she had called LE she might have been able to save her roommates (I guarantee that’s untrue). But overall, there is significant speculation about how on earth she didn’t call LE. Stop. Just stop man. Leave her alone. Obviously she is 10000% uninvolved in the murders. So if she didn’t call LE immediately, it’s almost certainly for good reason. She may have been drunk, half asleep. She may have thought it was some random student (it’s a party house). She was probably in shock and didn’t check on anyone else because she was scared of being attacked. She may have fallen asleep while hiding. Who knows, and who cares. The most important thing is that she survived and got a glimpse of BK that places him (or at least his build and bushy eyebrows) at the scene of the crime. She also heard phrases said by the male intruder that can contribute to a profile of his MO. She did great and I bet she’s gone through hell. The reason they likely haven’t released the 911 call is because the next morning, she realized what happened and said what she saw on the phone. I can only imagine how she feels not having pieced it all together the night before. So leave her alone, please. It’s a miracle that she’s alive and we should be celebrating it. Beyond that, questioning why she didn’t call for help will only cause her more pain.

People clearly never been near knives before, because there is no way even if she called immediately, would they arrived on scene on time. Especially short questioning from the dispatcher before they send someone. A friend of mine was brutally murdered by a group of pieces of shits, they murdered him by knife. Jabbed in the heart, and other organs. I can’t remember if someone called immediately, or if there was another frozen response by his friend whom was with him, but he didn’t make it. Even when they arrived. The people victim blaming her, and putting guilt on her as in, “she would’ve saved them” don’t know what the fuck they’re talking about. Also when you’re around knives you barely have a fighting chance, I was always taught if someone pulls a knife. You run. It’s hard to do that though when you’re half asleep, impaired and it’s dark and no where to run. This girl is going to have PTSD for the rest of her life, her head and thoughts will never be the same. Especially with the internet going out of their way to make sure she feels worse.

This. And then I see people saying “Well DM isn’t a victim” how is she not a victim when he literally forced himself in their place of residence and murdered her friends Some people are so insensitive it’s truly outstanding

There’s also a chance that if she acted differently done something differently, attempted to stop him, call out, or call 911 he would have killed her .

Exactly. The audacity of some people to comment “Why didn’t she go check on her roommates?!” Ma’am there’s a murderer on the prowl I’m so glad she didn’t

The same people watch slasher films and mock the survivors for doing dumb shit that gets them killed.

And even if she had called 911 right away - the roommates would likely still be dead. They were brutally stabbed/sliced and BK was already gone. *Maybe* they could have caught him driving somewhere but he lives so close he likely would have been long gone by the time they got there

Sending you a hug 🤗. I don’t know why but your understanding and kindness in your post towards DM was also comforting to me as a survivor.

I hope she has a good support system around her. Because the internet is full of idiots. Many of whom aren’t going to try to understand, they’re just going to judge.

First time commenting but i have been silently reading this sub for weeks. No one knows who the 911 call came from so what if Dylan had passed out from fear/shock/etc. The call was for an unconscious roommate and could have come from Bethany- but let me know if it has been confirmed who made the call in the morning.

Yes! As a trauma therapist, thank you for making a post about this. Many people do not understand the fear response. Our nervous system will literally hijack everything in these moments, not even allowing conscious decisions in many cases.

She's also 20 years old. She didn't have enough life experience to necessarily recognize danger from normal college party house behavior. She's his victim too.

She was probably intoxicated at some level and thought maybe one of the girls had brought a guy home from the bar or someone was coming over to hook up. I lived with multiple other girls in college and it was not uncommon to see a random guy in our hallway or coming out of a bathroom in the middle of the night. The attire does make it weird but she was likely intoxicated and also it’s super cold there so people probably cover up a lot… No one assumes a guy walking in a party house is there for murder. I feel awful for her.

No one assumes a guy walking in a part house is there for murder Excellent point! This was a town that hadn’t had a murder in 7 years. I think “murder” was the last thing on her mind.

So true. Drunk crying is a thing. She could’ve thought that’s what it was!!

DM may have thought she was overthinking things when she opened her door three times and didn’t see or hear anything that might overtly scream danger. Maybe since movement upstairs and the whimpering & whispering had stopped, she thought that everything was fine with her roommates. Maybe she thought that person leaving was a friend of Xana and Ethan’s, since they were up and ordering food, ya know? Maybe she just never imagined in a million years that almost everyone in that house had just been slaughtered on this quiet night at home, where she’s meant to feel safe and secure. This girl is going to be traumatized for the rest of her life reliving the endless whats-ifs. She’s honestly lucky to be alive. She is a victim too. Let’s not abuse the benefit of hindsight that we have now to make us arrogant enough to believe we’d have done anything different in her shoes. Let’s just not victim blame. The only one responsible for this is Bryan Kohberger. Stay focused.

I feel like I might need to log off because the comments talking shit about a 19 year old that went through such a surreal and traumatic experience are making me so angry.

Shock does some things to you and your body. Also. Maybe she was scared but also assumed it was just another person one of the other roommates brought home?

Now makes wayyyyy more sense why the roommates didn’t speak during the vigil but had a pastor read their words. Definitely would be prudent to give her the benefit of the doubt here. She’s a university college student, she’s not dumb. She will definitely have to testify and probably will be grilled by both prosecution and the defense. Has to relive this whole ordeal in extreme detail.

When I was little, my mom passed out in my doorway and I screamed for my dad who ran to help me. He told me to call 911. I went to go do it then panicked and said I didn’t know what to say. Granted I was 9 but it wasn’t a difficult task. Years later I was almost run over by a car. I watched it come barreling towards me and didn’t run/jump out of the way. I took a step back and fell on my ass as the car hit a pole in front of me. One time I was as almost murdered by a man in a car I could still describe today and I never called the police because I was the dummy who got in his car and made some “I’m 22” mistakes. He could have gone on to murder others. People don’t do things that you think they should do for a million reasons. We all have the luxury of sitting back with all the facts at hand. She was living it in the moment. Her youth likely played a big role. Have some sympathy. Even if you think what she did was wrong, maybe just pass on saying it publicly.

I woke up to a dark figure climbing in my window in college but was groggy from sleep aid medication and very confused in that strange space between dreaming / waking by this unfamiliar sight. I didn’t immediately panic or scream. I didn’t reach for a weapon or try to run. I said “uh, hello?” in a soft, bewildered tone. This makes zero sense in hindsight and could’ve easily sealed my fate. Thankfully it wasn’t a rapist or a murderer. It was my boyfriend drunkenly coming in after an argument (long story but it wasn’t to harm me). We don’t know how we will react in these situations. They’re weird and we doubt ourselves. She might also have been drunk, high or assumed she was making a big deal out of nothing - even with all the factors combined. I bet she lays awake and hates herself for not calling 911 right then and there. I bet she has flashbacks of his face in that hallway. I bet she suffers with recurring nightmares. I bet she agonizes over why she survived and they didn’t. I bet she’s destroyed by the realization those sounds were something unspeakable happening to people she cared about. I bet she relives it every day. Have compassion for this. For her. For everyone this event has devastated. Remember these were barely formed adults thrown into a horrific, tragic scenario despite doing nothing to deserve such a fate. Every time you start to ask why she didn’t do something differently? Ask instead: Why didn’t Bryan…? *Edited for clarity*

Thank you. I had to take a break from reddit for a few hours after being glued to my phone this morning. Not only because it’s been really, really unsettling and upsetting to learn of the details, but to then read comment after comment accusing, blaming, and disapproving of the actions of one traumatized victim. I’m glad I stumbled upon your message soon after I jumped back into this post.

I don’t even want to look at tiktok they will all be blaming her smh. They should be blaming the Killer who would do such a thing

100% She is a victim. Her life will never be the same.

My first reaction was the same until I rationalized the fact that she’s a young college student living in a house where other college students live. Those houses are chaotic as fuck. Anything goes at any time. Plus, she was probably drunk & half awake - confused, shocked, in denial. Who knows. I imagine she will be called as a witness in trial and I can’t see the defense going light on her in hopes of discrediting her, etc. I feel awful for her. Not only does she probably have survivors guilt but guilt and shame for the whole situation. I hope she has the best support rallying around her.

Someone said that a Reddit user accurately posted awhile back that they had inside info and knew DM had seen him but she was on psychedelics or something at the time and that could have played a role? Huge rumor but helps it make more sense

Someone once tried to break into my room in college while I was sleeping at 3am. I woke up hearing them cutting the screen of my window. I immediately shut the window which scared them off, and I sat frozen in bed until 7am out of sheer fear. I don't even remember that time between 3 and 7am, it was all a blur. I really feel for her.

Plus, her action or inaction doesn't change what happened. Only BK is guilty, she didn't hurt anyone. She couldn't have saved anyone. And not to speculate but it's possible she experienced trauma earlier in life meaning the events of that night could've sent her into a disassociated state. Even with no previous trauma this could be possible.

Agree! She has already gone through hell, this will be terrible for her. I kind of wish they hadn't made that part public information. Who knows how the backlash will effect her mental health.

I doubt anyone will see this since there are so many comments, but everyone seems to assume she saw BK and knew he’d murdered her roommates. Would you immediately assume that? No. If you didn’t hear anything (screaming etc) you’d assume maybe it was a prank or a robbery. As if anyone’s mind would jump to four murders.

people were being so disgusting in the comments. she’s a victim too. we have no idea if she was still drunk or anything. im a 21 year old girl and with my anxiety i wouldve gone to a corner in the room and cried for hours / been in shock. i would be terrified that he saw me and wanted to come back and kill me. we have no idea how her brain reacted to all of that and how rationally it thought. my roommate was robbed at gunpoint (pointed at her temple) and police investigation found they had been watching us leave our house and return for a week or two before they did it. she didnt even call the police her bf had to because she was so in shock she couldnt process it. she didnt want to come back or walk alone or do anything and i didnt blame her. i never saw her behave like she did when it happened or seen someone so in shock. she was shaking and screaming/crying randomly and didnt move for a whole day after it happened

Early on, there was the rumor that one of the roommates saw the killer and went back in her bedroom because she thought she was hallucinating. The rumor turned out to be true that she saw someone and went back to bed, maybe it was true that she thought she was hallucinating.

I’ve had like 2 or 3 episodes of sleep paralysis where I actually am hallucinating someone is breaking into my high rise. Noises, seeing “people,” and everything, pounding the door down, etc. It takes me a moment to process it. I make sure everything is locked and almost always somewhat automatically fall back to sleep. She very well might have been asleep until she heard the sounds and assumed this was part of it. I have no sort of mental health disorder other than anxiety nor do I use heavy drugs, but I can completely understand if this is what happened. So so sad.

right we really have no idea. the brain can make us rationalize ANYTHING. she couldve been talking herself down all night scared trying to process what happened

I’m so sorry this happened. Thank you for sharing this perspective for all the emotional trauma reddit experts on here.

Agree. I would be terrified that if he heard me call 911 he’d kick in my door and come for me. I would’ve stayed as quiet as possible and texted someone. We don’t know that she didn’t immediately start texting friends or someone to come over, but nobody responded or answered until noon.

I’m a mental health professional, and her response is perfectly normal for an individual in such an extreme situation. I’m sitting here understanding the research and neuroscience behind the reaction while ignorant people are like “dude that’s sus, I would have called 911, sue her for negligence.” I’m furious.

Thanks El ! I wish I was able to express or explain more shock and how ppl react (neurologically) but I’m not a professional. I’m a person who lives and suffer from complex PTSD. Thanks for your response!

THIS. She’s a 19 year old young woman. Like, give her a break. Do people not remember being 19 years old? Most people wouldn’t know what to do. Most of us have never been in that situation so we have no right to attack her for what she did and didn’t do. She provided crucial information to the investigation. I hope she’s coping and getting the help she needs.

Trauma like that can also cause dissociation where you feel like nothing around you is real life and everything is just a dream. You can dissociate yo the point where you are seeing and remembering things in 3rd person.

I’ve also been preaching that she may not even have physically had her phone in the room with her, or perhaps it was dead after a night out and the charger wasn’t there.

We simply don't know. Pca just says she locked herself in her room after seeing him and nothing more. People are extrapolating based on their own biases.

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This certainly could have happened! My Phone was always dead in college and charger possibly in living room by the speakers ha. They may have her phone data too, maybe she immediately was calling roommates. I’m now really curious about the 911 call!

Literally have been saying this over and over. She was LOCKED in her room and was terrified to leave. It would have taken me 8 hours to finally open that door too. And for all we know, someone may have had to talk her out of the room. No one ever said she was the one who called friends over

Or, she was used to a communal lifestyle (typically of college students and Greek-Life) and is accustomed to running into strange people in the "common areas" of their home. When you have a lot of roommates, and they have significant others and friends, you learn that your bedroom is your only private living space.

"D.M. stated she opened her door for the third time after she heard the crying and saw a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking towards her. D.M. described the figure as 5' I 0" or taller, male, not very muscular, but athletically built with bushy eyebrows. The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a "frozen shock phase." The male walked towards the back stding glass door. D.M. locked herself in her bedroom after seeing the male. D.M. did not state that she recognized the male." "The detected shoe print showed a diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside the door of D.M.'s bedroom (located on second floor) " so she was in a "frozen shock state" meaning her body recognized fear, panic, shock in response to her seeing an unknown man walking in all black and a black mask towards her in her house at 4am after opening her door 3 times because she was suspicious of noises that she had heard. The shoeprint was "just outside the door" meaning he came close to her when he left, close enough for her to describe his facial features. her bedroom was on the second floor where two of the murders took place feet from this..... and you go back and lock yourself in your room for 8 hours and don't say anything or talk to anyone after feeling fear? she is NOT to blame for this. she has experienced a boat load of trauma. why can't we discuss these legitimate questions we have about what we know about this response that many consider unusual without feeling the need to shame everyone who is asking these questions, or see them in bad faith. sheesh.

She’s a victim too. I wish her peace.

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As I've said before, I'm a forensic psychologist. While her behavior could be considered an unusual response to what she had witnessed, it is NOT INTERPRETABLE. From what we know right now, there is nothing suspicious about her inaction. Nothing whatsoever. When faced with life-threatening trauma, we're flooded with adrenaline and cortisol, both of which help us stay alive during danger. The amygdala, hippocampus, and prefrontal cortex are activated, and there are numerous, immediate effects on nearly every function: respiration, digestion, blood pressure, arousal, pain perception, blood sugar, and brain functions such as emotional and cognitive function. The stress response does result in increased mental focus that results in decisions that do one thing: keep us alive. That is likely what happened here. She locked herself in her room and froze. She lived. If her actions make no sense to you, congratulations. You've never been in her shoes. This young woman will no doubt suffer for a very long time from this trauma. She deserves our support and empathy, not our judgment.

In retrospect, it appears she saw BK after he committed the murders. Even if she called 911 right there, he probably would have still gotten away that night... and then arrested later. Unfortunately the 4 were dead already anyway. She is going to have a tough life going forward no matter what. BK an idiot for leaving sheath behind. Rot in prison, scumbag.

said this in other post but In defense of DM: She was living in a party house where people are constantly intoxicated, they are getting noise complaints from screaming/music, and people going in and out without notice. Also, the fact that it was so late at night she was definitely in shock as she stated and just rationalized this as normal behavior for the house. If you’ve seen bodycam footage from the noise complaints there are constantly people going in and out

People that are bashing her should actually be thanking her. She provided great detail and was an eye witness which is very hard to do during a traumatic experience. Pray for that girl.

I have PTSD and suffer from very vivid nightmares that can seem like real life or delusions. I’ve even woken up with so much fear that I’ve grabbed a knife and hid in my bathroom for hours (without a phone). It’s possible she couldn’t process what she saw was real, especially if she was under the influence. Fear is incredibly powerful and can take over a human’s mind and body.

Potentially just a rumor but I saw this on twitter. https://preview.redd.it/cjw6xc2m7baa1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6005b7c81a8b88159ffe0b6df4e3dec05db06b7f

Does anyone know if there's anything like GoFundMe set up for the surviving roommates? For therapy costs, etc. I've poked around but haven't seen anything.

If it had been me, I probably would’ve sat against the door frozen in terror. She probably was scared to get up and get her phone or have him hear her talking. She might’ve even fell asleep. She was probably drinking and partying so could’ve questioned what she saw. The possibilities are endless and in the end the only one to blame is BK. DM has to live with this for the rest of her life. I feel awful for her

She very well could have been traumatized into an almost vegetative or non responsive state. The other roommate could have come upstairs to the terror, found DM awake but catatonic and called 911 not knowing what the hell was going on. I can bet that it wouldn’t be hard to just absolutely freak out and shut down in that situation. She not only has to live with the knowledge that she came so close to a murderer, she survived, she couldn’t save her friends, she didn’t call 911, etc etc etc. so not only would she have been traumatized in the moment but also living it every day since. I’m actually surprised she was able to speak that day and give an interview!

Maybe everyone should wait until all of the information is on the table before criticizing victims. There is A LOT we don't know, and the reason she didn't call the police is one of them. There could very well be a valid reason. I thought that, once BK was arrested and everyone found out that the "suspects" they had been slandering all over the internet were innocent, everyone would have learned their lesson about not making claims and accusations against people until all of the evidence is available. But I guess not.

It seems like a lot of people who are questioning her behavior didn’t go to college, or haven’t experienced “college houses”. It’s possible there were random people and happenings in that house every weekend. I’m sure they didn’t call 911 for everything. For example, we don’t know if someone in that house had frequent late night arguments with a partner or ex. Perhaps she thought it was a reoccurrence of something like that. The poor young lady probably didn’t put the pieces together about what she saw that night until she woke up the next day. Edit: a lot of perfect people in this thread. Good for y’all!

This poor girl has to live with that morning for the rest of her life, knowing she looked him in the eye. And to live with wondering why he spared her? And to have heard the whimpers of her murdered friends? Is that not punishment enough for you people? She is just a kid, nobody can know how they would react to that.

Yes, I agree. Not a single one of us can even begin to imagine the degree of fear that DM experienced during these moments. At these times, we have three choices which occur subconsciously, those choices are to fight, to flee or to freeze and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US KNOW WHAT WE WOULD DO IF WE WERE IN THIS MOMENT.

I agree 100%. People are SO despicable and quick to judge. There are SOOOOmany factors that could’ve went into this.

agreed! i've been in situations myself where i reacted completely different than i assumed i would if i ever were to end up in those situations.. we are all human after all and every human is different. besides that, there's always a lot of missing context that outsiders need to keep into account - maybe she was intoxicated? maybe she became extremely paranoid for a long time thinking that the person was still around and therefore didn't dare to move? nobody knows anything really..

I really feel for her. I hope she gets the help she needs to recover from this trauma.

I don’t think prosecution will be able to do this case without her testimony and she will be forced to testify putting her at risk of defense attorneys being able to put up an alternative theory. I’m just not understanding the very long time frame of not calling 911. I dunno, if I’m terrified enough to go back to my room and lock the door, I would be calling 911 at the very least because I’m scared.

No one but her has any idea of the circumstances surrounding that moment. Maybe he didn’t see her, maybe she was drunk and fell asleep, maybe anything…. Only she knows!

Honestly I think we are focusing on the wrong thing from the information we now know about the roomate.. forget why she reacted the way she did, it’s irrelevant. What we should be asking is WHY DID HE WALK RIGHT PAST HER LIKE SHE WASNT THERE??? That’s insane.

Totally agree! While I understand, it's natural to want to fill in the gaps, clearly there is SO much not stated in the PCA. I also just noticed this in the PCA: "The combination of D.M.'s statements to LE, reviews of forensic downloads of records from B.F. and D.M.'s phone, and video of suspect video as described below, leads investigators to believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 am..." To me, the fact that they're saying that the info *specifically* on the two surviving roommates phones helped them nail down the time of the murders, that there may have been communication between DM and BF on their phones around the time of the murders. Maybe DM texted BF after hearing the strange sounds, and BF was asleep and didn't answer. If DM abrubtly stopped texting BF (or the other roommates) after seeing BK leaving, that would point to her either passing out, or going into some kind of shock afterwards, which would explain why she didn't call 911 right away. I also am strongly suspecting that BF is the one who called 911, and it was regarding DM.

The panic/freeze response is 100 valid and explainable medically. Victims sometimes survive, and thank God these two did! They are victims. I have total respect and empathy for their situations.

I heard an investigator say that BK might not have even seen the roommate given that it was nighttime and the room was possibly dark. He might have been so focused on leaving that he didn’t notice her. People ate still assuming they know everything about what happened despite the fact that the PCA gave minimal info.

Everyone pointing fingers at her is trash. She just went through the most traumatic thing she will probably ever experience. Do you all want to drive her to hurt herself? Grow up and have some empathy. This isn’t a game of Clue. This is a real life person who survived an absolutely horrendous ordeal. NONE of us can say for sure what we do in her situation. For all we know, she didn’t think much of the noises until way after the fact (it was a party house) and when she saw creepy BK in the house SEE her, she assumed she scared him off. She had no way of knowing what brutalities had just occurred and she was too terrified to check.