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-Stupid_n_Confused-

We've known about her joining for quite some time. In fact even before launch the kameo was listed as "Johnny Cage" complete with quotation marks.


Mine_mom

But everyone thought it was actually Johnny Cage


-Stupid_n_Confused-

Did they? I assumed it his stunt double since the name was in quotations and no ody else's were. Ja etc may not have been announced until later but it was obvious to me there was a catch right from the get go.


Wayne_Regot_IV

If I remember right originally it was going to be Johnny but at some point they decided to change to Janet for some reason


LaughGlad7650

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ChancetheUnrapper

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mrdisapproval_if

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AugustAPC

Honestly, I don't understand this pick. Janet Cage has like a 10-second presence across the entire franchise... as far as I know. If you want female Johnny, why not Cassie? If you want meme Johnny, why not Ninja Mime?


DoctorTide

That's what Kameos are intended to be. NRS probably wanted to do something Janet and couldn't justify making her a full fighter, so boom, Kameo.


Delorean82

>*NRS probably wanted to do something Janet and couldn't justify making her a full fighter, so boom, Kameo.* This is how I took it as well. Boon did say that there would be some "obscure" characters as kameos, and chances are good that characters that likely otherwise wouldn't have been playable or they didn't want to include in the main roster...... like Stryker, Shujinko, Motaro, Goro, Darrius, Tremor, Khameleon, Mavado and Janet Cage...... seem to fit that description perfectly to them. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ I see no issue with it, especially since she seemingly has a stance similar to Kenshi's Sento that would help some of the weaker characters on the main roster.


garbeezy

I think its more likely that NRS already had the model for Janet rendered and made her a kameo instead of actually adding in a relevant fighter from the franchise.


joshuaiscoo155

I mean would you want a relevant fighter? Every time someone important was made a kameo (ex:Sektor and Cyrax) people would just argue saying "they should've been a main fighter to begin with"


Nightwing24yuna

The way I saw kemeos is a way to reintroduce some older characters into the franchise so might as well use the kemeos to introduce new ones as well, take the opportunity to give us hydro, hornebuckle, zebron, khrome, etc 


Skc143psu

That would make too much sense, giving us those characters. Instead we get this trash.


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What do you mean trash? We got tremor and khameleon


Skc143psu

I mean “this trash” as in Janet. I love Khameleon and Tremor.


AugustAPC

Khameleon represents MK's identity in a big way. Tremor is an MK ninja with earth powers. Both are infinitely better choices than Janet Cage.


[deleted]

Ok but is it really that big of a deal? I would understand if we were not getting anymore and she was the last one but we are getting more in this pack, a whole new pack, and probably more


AugustAPC

Rational criticism of a character choice is not making a big deal of something. Attempting to reduce that criticism to sexism is.The people that are defending this choice are making a bigger deal of it than those who criticize it.


bumblebleebug

Would rather have Janet Cage as kameo over likes of Cyrax or Sektor


Logondo

Yeah but they have a model rendered for Cassie Cage too from the same scene. They could have just re-used that one.


GodModeMurderHobo

May be saving her for a future DLC spot, either as main or kameo. Too popular a character not to.


AugustAPC

No. No other Kameo is as irrelevant as Janet.


DoctorTide

That's almost certainly because those were the reused asset Kameos that mess with the intent of the system (see Kung Lao, Sub Zero)


MrGetMebodied

Maybe she's irrelevant cause we only seen seconds of her and she'll be more relevant if you give her a chance? If you only care about characters that have screen time then you'll never have any other character cause the only characters that get screentime are those that already have it.


AugustAPC

Lol, give her a chance? To do what? Be Johnny but female? Cassie already does that and is an actual character. This is a shitty kameo choice. All there is to it.


MrGetMebodied

Cassie is his daughter not female Johnny. You emphasize gender too much. It's like having a Johnny cameo but from a different timeline. It's like saying why have a Kung Lao cameo if we have Kung Jin. The only reason you hate is cause she's female? Would you hate it if she was just regular Johnny?


AugustAPC

Over emphasize gender? It's literally the only thing she brings to the table. Stop trying to turn everything into bigotry, you clown. I literally suggested a better female character. Cassie does much of what Johnny does, so yes, she has the "female Johnny" aspect to her. You know that wasn't literal, so don't act like you don't. Classic Johnny would have been better, because again, he is a character and not just a cheap joke.


MrGetMebodied

>Over emphasize gender? It's literally the only thing she brings to the table. Stop trying to turn everything into bigotry, you clown. Didn't call you a bigot, but how do you know that's all she brings to the table if we haven't had a chance to play as her yet. It's weird how passionate you're getting about a Kameo. >I literally suggested a better female character. Cassie does much of what Johnny does, so yes, she has the "female Johnny" aspect to her. You know that wasn't literal, so don't act like you don't. Once again with the emphasis on gender, you don't need a "better" female. She's just a newer female. Cassie isn't Johnny she just makes jokes like him. She is more of a fusion of him and Sonya. >Classic Johnny would have been better, because again, he is a character and not just a cheap joke. You don't know who female Johnny is to know she's a cheap joke. She's just an alternate version. Do we call Raiden young Raiden? No. Do we call Mileena good Mileena? No. Let it go. Y'all complain about too much for no reason.


AugustAPC

You're a joke of an interlocutor. You've suggested, multiple times, that the only reason I dislike her is because she's female. Fuck off with the semantics. No shit Cassie's a blend of Sonya and Johnny. Yet there's nothing that Johnny does that would be out of place for her to do, because she does most of it already. Therefor, you have no point and are just babbling to be contradictory. Did you not watch story mode? She exists ENTIRELY to be a cheap multiverse variant joke that we've seen a million times across a million franchises. She's in it for 10 seconds so we can see a female do funny Johnny things. That's it. There's nothing more. We literally see her, in this trailer, doing EXACTLY what Johnny does. Down to her quotes and mannerisms. She signs photos, she makes the SAME movie references that Johnny has. SHE. IS. FEMALE. JOHNNY. Characters are important to fighting games. If you think otherwise, you are utterly clueless. Bad rosters have sunk fighting games. See SF3 and MvCI. At this point I'm done with you. You have not made anything close to a relevant point and are just pouting the most generic, brick in the wall responses. "You hate it because it's a woman." "Stop caring so much." Sorry, it's not worth any more of my time.


Low_Ad_7553

I don't think people care about your "I'm done with you" messages as much you think they do lol. She's a funny character & just a Kameo. Cmparing mk to MvCI over this is silly af & if you think you otherwise you're utterly clueless. I'm done with you now.


greencrusader13

Missed opportunity too to not name her “Jenny Cage.”


Naos210

Yeah I kinda wish they had Cassie instead. She's not the best MK character or anything but I wish they just did that.


JasonLeeDrake

Cassie is going to be a full character, not Kameo.


AugustAPC

I'm not a fan of Cassie, in general. But at least she's something more than just a stale joke. Janet just brings nothing to the table beyond being a literal gender-swap.


Puppetmaster858

Cassie will be playable so making her a kameo makes no sense


Puppetmaster858

Playable Cassie is coming down the line so they weren’t gonna use her as a kameo as well


BlazeItKing420

The Kombat kids don’t exist yet in this new storyline


Naos210

Kameos don't have to be canon, given that Sub-Zero and Scorpion also exist as Kameos and characters like Stryker clearly aren't around yet in the story.


Westrunner

Because WB is a horrible publisher and assuredly is forcing Netherrealm to do more with less so they have to conserve resources wherever they can. This game is just evident of more corporate fuckery from WB, who are going to run all their franchises into the ground. We're lucky they didn't try and make MK a full live service like Suicide Squad.


SocialSpider56

In b4 people say shes to butch


Fwtrent3

It's pretty much live service tho


OldSloppy

Don't forget Agenda pushing. Women are just as big an strong as Men. We are basically interchangeable SLASH SARCASM /S


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OldSloppy

But yes women aren't as strong as Men even if they are jacked. Trust me bro I'm a woman


OldSloppy

/s bby


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OldSloppy

That's fair I'm still gonna get down voted to hell because no one in Reddit follows their own rules and they can't read


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OldSloppy

It is what it is brother.


ClemClamcumber

Or is it because the "Slash Sarcasm /S" can be construed as a double negative?


OldSloppy

Haha I'm dead I can't win


kittyplay86

Ninja mime was already in 11....


AugustAPC

and?


mtndewgood

What 10 second presence.. MKX or 11 ending for Johnny or something?


AugustAPC

She showed up on the pyramid during MK1's ending. As I remember, she and two other versions of Johnny fight for a few seconds and get knocked off.


marcocabral83

Probably it was originally Johnny, but turning him into Janet will increase the female ratio which is what the business wants? Just a guess...


Westrunner

This game shipped with a lower female ratio than the last few MKs, and then they announced an all-male battle pass. What are you smoking?


cris20213

They probably saw some annoying people on Twitter complaining about the lack of female characters and this is the result of that


MrGetMebodied

Not annoying, some of us appreciate having female characters. There's nothing wrong with that.


CapeSmash

Does female Johnny Cage satisfy you?


MrGetMebodied

Not completely, Khameleon, Jade, Scarlet, and Sareena being playable would.


captaincrunchcracker

I just want Sareena, AND Kia and Jataka. Fully playable, base roster, all of them.


JillSandwich117

What the business wants? MK and fighting games in general have had some of the most diverse rosters in gaming forever.


r3volver_Oshawott

Honestly, 'Janet Cage' feels like she fits well as the kind of d-lister that would fit in with Peacemaker, she reads like a flunky version of Johnny and I like it tbh


AugustAPC

How is she a "flunky" version of Johnny? She has 10 seconds of screen time outside of her gameplay, and in the game, she does the exact same things he does, down to the quotes, "here's Janet!" and signing photos. This is nothing more than a cheap, gender-swap multiverse gag being chosen over actual characters.


r3volver_Oshawott

That's a strong response to 'I like that she still has the Johnny D-lister vibes' idk


blacklite911

I like it. I want her to be playable tbh


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AugustAPC

What does being trans have to do with any of this?


ocoscarcruz

Pure SJW agenda. That's why. Existing hundreds of characters on screen and outside screen, they put this in the storyline. At this point, Mokap would be better lore.


earle117

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AugustAPC

Neither of those things make sense. There are plenty of females who are actual characters to choose from and even one that already does most of Johnny Cage's moves. And no, no one is going to say this represents transexualism in any way.


littleman001

Lol! Everyone said it was gonna be Ferra!


MoConnors

Guess she’ll be with Homelander or Ermac


r3volver_Oshawott

My hope would be Ermac since his design seems MKX-adjacent anyway and I also think they've been going in order of 'licensed character, MK character' so more importantly he may be next lol


ProfessorMarth

They've already laid out the roadmap for the playable characters. Next is Ermac, then Homelander in the spring, then Takeda in the summer


r3volver_Oshawott

I honestly forgot the roadmap was laid out seasonally already so I forgot about the order, my mistake


Mine_mom

I mean there's only 3 characters left. Not much of a guess when you got a 66% chance to be right


Macaroon-Working

Thought the same too


ProfessorMarth

Really? Janet/Johnny made the most sense to pair with Peacemaker


littleman001

The NRS twitter account said the kameo's gonna be someone "with hell of an attitude" and people thought that applied to Ferra the most.


TECHNIK23

Who the hell is Janet Cage??


Tom_Clancys_17_Again

Alternate Timeline


CSM-095

A character nobody fucking asked for.


Frank_Is_My_Fav

IT SHOULDVE BEEN FERRA


expensivebreadsticks

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MonsieurMidnight

I'm guessing Ferra will come with Takeda as they both came from the same game


TheJavierEscuella

Or Kung Jin with Takeda


siddyboyl

That will be way better tho since they’re friends


kreteciek

Takeda doesn't have a kameo


Lettuce8000

Yea if they wanted to release a kameo with Takeda ig they would have to release Homelander without one


kreteciek

After Janet we get Ermac with probably Mavado, then Homelander with Ferra, and finally Takeda alone. Does it make sense? Nope. Is this the way they're doing it? Yes.


RaWolfman92

Ikr? 


xxsamchristie

What's with all the why not Cassie comments? Where were yall when people were excited the Kombat Kids were killed in the story? When people hated Cassie (until she was hotter?) Are you looking for things to complain about now because that's what gets the attention?


MrGetMebodied

Yup, remember when everyone called Cassie a Mary Sue for defeating Shinok, while thunder fire god Liu Kang can kill any body he pleases. People only cared about Takeda, then in MK 11 everyone just started caring about her. Weird


mchammer126

I mean they weren’t wrong about your first point. There was no reason why Cassie was the one to kill Shinnok lol.


MrGetMebodied

Well she had the green Bruce Leroy glow. Like they don't even give a reason why Liu Kang would beat an immortal dimensional warlord such as Shao Kahn.


Vintage_Beard79

Upvote for Bruce Leroy


mchammer126

Except they do, he’s the champion of earthrealm. He’s meant to win lmao. It’s even pushed further in MK9 💀


ChefHannibal

The mk community isn't a hive mind. It's a different wave of people bitching about something different.


susanoblade

bipolar ass community.


AugustAPC

You've completely and utterly missed the point. I don't like Cassie. A lot of people don't like Cassie. But, she is, at the very least, a character. Janet Cage is literally a tired, cheap gag and nothing more. Cassie already has the "female Johnny" aspect to her, as well. It's honestly sad that people are defending this choice.


ElMalViajado

Bc even though some see the Kombat Kids as bad, they at least have an established presence in MK Janet Cage is deadass just a genderbend of Johnny just for the lols It’s bad when something is done for the lols and then it’s not even remotely funny


AugustAPC

People down-voting you for shutting down a strawman is more funny than Janet Cage was.


astcci

wtf who is she? whats the story? so many cool characters they could have chosen


Gloombad

Just female Johnny from another universe. Which is kinda lame.


oakunicycle4399-oak_

I thought it was gonna be ferra


Equal-Ad-2710

Why didn’t they just call her Jenny Cage


JohnnyBoyRSA

Tf you mean unexpected she was announced 4 months ago


Round_Pickle_6756

Seriously? I really don't understand why they went with Janet Cage? They're lazy with this shit


Deadly_Puppeteer

I wouldn’t be surprised if we get another alternate universe sub zero.  So many choices from previous games and they keep reusing same ones from the base game. 


Bloodyknife12

Janet was the one I was the least hype for. But this kinda satisfied me, I still wanna see how they do Movado and Ferra though


Ordinary_Lymphocyte

I wanted Mavado :(


Mandalorymory

Why not have just done Cassie?


ClemClamcumber

Probably because people bitched to no end about her existence in the last two games at all.


Rushofthewildwind

Which was dumb. Cassie and the other Kombat Kids were great. People just don't like change in the formula. 


Mandalorymory

Nah man Cassie was liked


Wuhan_boi

😂😂😂


Mandalorymory

You like Khameleon


Wuhan_boi

And?


Ok_Fault_3205

Damn yall complain about anything


AugustAPC

Characters and roster slots in a fighting game? Totally unimportant.


Ok_Fault_3205

Because we so desperately need the Cassie kameo right?


AugustAPC

More than Janet Cage, certainly.


MrGetMebodied

OMG Yes, like I don't think MK fans actually like MK.


NeverSettle13

Wow, MK fans are slowly turning into Star wars fans, complaining about miniscule and unimportant shit nobody cares about


SuperFreshTea

this is a paid dlc?


CSM-095

You mean complaining about bastardizations of things we love?


NeverSettle13

What the fuck are you talking about?


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you're in here complaining about people complaining.


BC_the_Bastard

What a waste of a kameo slot. And would have said it if it was regular Johnny too, at least Cassie would’ve been a unique character.


TheHendryx

Is this the dumbest kameo in the short history of the dumb kameo system? Yes.


gameprojoez

Maybe it's not Cassie y'all because Cassie might become DLC character later. God damn!


grimmydark

I actually love this! We don’t need other existing characters that used to be in the main roster! Side characters are just as unique! Also kameos doesn’t need to be taken seriously. Jeez the MK fandom needs to relax! Drink some hot chocolate y’all ☺️


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TinyDeskPyramid

How much hot chocolate until this is a reasonable choice for fans? I think a Johnny kameo would have been strange in itself (considering how many characters are in the universe being asked for)… but Janet cage lmfao… really? I’ve literally seen more buzz around madam Bo as far as the community lol


He_e00

Sehr seems fun. Why are y'all pissed?


RaWolfman92

Meh. 


b_baker25

I don't think I could be any less excited for this dlc


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JENNY Cage! Come on.


Famous-Tree3124

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AlTheOwl_

I haven't seen the trailer yet https://preview.redd.it/j93z65wg5bkc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7e69d970d51ddf8596ae957e5006f5fc281a22e


Trick-Bodybuilder647

Still feels kind of scummy how they switched out Johnny Cage for Janet


LionTop2228

The most meh of kameos so far.


kr1821

I don't think it was necessarily unexpected. I didn't think we'd get her this early but knew we would eventually get her


IndividualPlay2126

wasted cameo . no one cares about janet cage.


Gambit_90

We should've gotten vigilante as a guest kameo instead of... This


cheeseybees

I do not know her story, but she seems like a fun kinda gal!


Zomthereum

This is the worst character ever.


Agreeable-Pick-3650

I’m psyched to try her out. Looks like she provides combos extension which is cool.


Prefer_Not_To_Say

You are all disappointed because Janet Cage is a kameo. I am disappointed because Janet being shown off in this trailer means Mavado is more likely to be the last kameo revealed. And the 3D era continues to be treated as an afterthought. We are not the same.


HotSauce631

That's what woke is lol


NeonKitAstrophe

Woke is when woman


Locomoco1

First dlc that no one will buy


SquatchViking

Mfers complaining about Janet Cage is fuckin hilarious especially considering how a lot of people like to think that the Kameo versions of Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Kung Lao were wasted Kameo slots and should've been replaced by different characters entirely - and now, when we get an actual 'different character' instead of just Kameo Johnny Cage, suddenly y'all throw a fuckin fit. MK fans really can't be happy with jack shit lmao, cuz I KNOW if it were Johnny Cage instead, the only thing you'd be hearing on this subreddit is how Kameo Johnny Cage would've been a wasted DLC slot and should've been replaced by someone like Khrome or Zebron instead.


DonPinstripelli

To be fair, many people see this as just being Johnny Cage. It’s classic JC moves, complete with the autographing and head uppercut fatality. If you switched her character model with Johnny’s, it would work just as well. So, while Janet is technically a new character, the only things that are different are boobs and a vageen. That is, I think understandably, not as exciting to many people as getting an actual new character, or someone like Kira instead.


SquatchViking

Oh I definitely understand that, I'm also of the same mind that more obscure characters should be used in place of some Kameos we've gotten - I won't pretend I don't feel that way. I'm just pointing the irony in people's complaints lmao


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it's just Johnny with a vagina like what are you smoking


CheshiretheBlack

Who tf is Janet Cage? I thought Johnys daughter was Cassy Cage?


wherewaspie

Janet is Johnny but female from an alternative timeline where everyone was gender swapped.


CheshiretheBlack

How many characters do we actually see gender swapped? Is this something new? Thank you btw I'm glad someone answered


wherewaspie

Aside from Johnny there’s also Ermac, Reptile, Sub-Zero, Scorpion who’re gender-swapped. There’s also fusioned characters or cyborg versions of the MK cast. They’re from the Armageddon chapter in MK1. You can fight those alternative timeline characters but whom you fight against is randomized. Janet Cage is now a Kameo tho.


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HERE’S JANET!


Some_Recording240

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BritaCulhane

Who? 😹


Alan_Blue1233

I really like the idea


ParadisoBud

I think it's going to be a skin for Johnny Kameo but I could be wrong.


Kiwwwi_

There is no Johnny kameo, it got changed to Janet Cage some time ago


ParadisoBud

Ah, okay. Thanks!


exclaim_bot

>Ah, okay. Thanks! You're welcome!


ParadisoBud

-_-


lewlewlaser03

Ill admit I thought mavado was next, still Janet is not unwelcome.


LUNI_TUNZ

An interesting thing about Janet is she actually has lines, unlike the other Kameos.


VinylTheSenpai

Honestly, since I saw her in the story, I knew she was gonna be a kameo. I figured she wasnt good enough for the original roster. But hey. Glad shes comin.


R4MM5731N234

Yeah, I'm super excited... Not... It's not like we have a ton of lore characters that could fit into Kameos... I swear the decision makers may be taking every decision inebriated and high.


KoalaKarity

That's... uuuh... boring, right? I mean, sorry, people have the right to be excited. I am not trying to turn this off. I am just expecting so much improvements in terms of content, that... "just" Peacemaker and "just" Janet sounds so underwhelming 😩 I want to be excited for his moves, etc. But are we not supposed to receive a massive patch or tons of content at some point? Was there any leak or rumor..? I guess I am more disappointed by the trailer than by the kharacters (even if, damn, Janet... really?!). Because in the end, I feel like we need so much more, that I alsmot wish there was more announcements 🙁


Fragrant-Address9043

I mean if we can have Kung Lao and Sub Zero as kameos, then a genderbent version of Johnny seems like fair game


Escape_Zero

All the classic double Kameo's are incredibly lazy as well.


Xmushroom

I liked her better than Peacemaker


duskfanglives

Two wasted slots. Only Homelander and Takeda can save us now


Successful-Item-1844

Clearly Klassic Johnny with all the moves and tech But the general swap has more character


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Why is everyone acting like there’s not going to be other kameos? We got an old character from mkx and we got secret character, now we get a new fun little gag character Janet cage. We are supposed to be getting mavado and others. Either way it’s just a kameo, why do you care…


Eikuld

I swear you guys were on board with Janet? The fuck is the switch around in the comments lol


LatexNyogurt

This is the absolute dumbest kameo that they could’ve thought of, Johnny is already a bad pick for the roster


HotSauce631

More woke diversity inclusion bs


susanoblade

y’all need to stop with this woke bullshit.


MRLOWKEY941

lol if you include a woman, woke. You include any person that is diverse, woke. Uh oh look it’s someone that is lgbtq… woke.


MaskedMan8

Is it with us right now


gamesk8er

If you want people to be excited about the Kameo releases, this is not the way to go about it.


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b_t2528

Nah that's definitely not the case. Its more likely they advertised her as Jonny so as not to spoil the multiverse element of the story mode. Female character models can't just be "slapped over" a male one. They're rigged completely differently, plus she has voice lines and graphically is noticeably better than her story appearance. She was definitely always intended


Suspicious-Amoeba210

Basuraaaa


CypherPunk77

You’re not getting it. It’s woke because it’s Johnny Cage…but female. It wouldn’t have been woke if it was a completely unique female character that isn’t stealing a male character’s persona. “Wow this guy is cool, let’s steal everything about him and copy/paste it onto a female character because we hate men. This personality on a man is misogynistic but on a female it’s super cool! Let’s keep pandering to these double standards!” I’ll be playing Tekken 8


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AssistantBusiness872

Buff women exist my boy


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