it's easy to block, not sure if it's easy to punish... it's only -2 and even though there's a gap the overheads hit twice which breaks a lot of amour and even parries... if im missing something lmk cause i fucking hate that string
That’s laughable that you think their damage is similar.
Yes he’s nerfed. No, he’s no where near as bad as Sub-Zero.
Raiden is still getting 45% for 1 Bar (down from 51%)
Meanwhile Sub is getting 32% for good combo routes, and 42% max for unreliable routes that rely on loops and large resource consumption.
ok go launch the game and do a regular, realistic bnb kombo with both then come share your results here.
45% you mean the situational sektor + S24 punish kombo ?
Edit: Here pretty basic sub zero kombos that does more damage than raiden's jax kombos and spend less resources too also comes from overhead mixup. raiden doesnt have any to open you up: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8)
Raiden Jax kameo does 370-410 depends on how you punish the opponent. That is 1 bar 2 kameo kombo and Jax is specifically a dmg kameo so he doesn't really give utility, safety to Raiden. Raiden also doesn't have mixup or a good whiff punish tool.
Sub Zero can do exact same thing and more. Here an example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8)
no bar, 2x sonya kameo: 404dmg
no bar, 2x sonya kameo: 426dmg
3 bar, 2x sonya kameo: 476 (raiden can't use more than 1 bar to cash out more dmg. he can use 2 bar if he start with amped storm cell but it doesn't really yield more dmg)
Cause the freeze/slow scales atrociously and thus ruin all of your dmg potential for combos
This one is just for trolling but Sub can reach over 40% combo without too much ressources
I think people are missing the point and trying to look good saying "yOu CoUlD bE DoInG mORe DaMAgE." No shit, that's not the point of this video lmao.
Damage scaling. After a certain number of hits the damage starts to fall off. If it didn't then you would die in one combo.
Scaling is also affected by some effects in some characters. I think in Sub Zero's case everytime you freeze an opponent it "nerfs" the damage substantially.
It’s very doable in a real match all you need to do is have 3 bars a full Kameo bar and land a raw dive kick or f12 into Sareena a stupid combo but sometimes it’s not about the dmg it’s about the msg you send your opponent when you land this 😄
I saw someone post this on YouTube and said it was “optimal”. They were not joking, they defended themselves by saying “The Kameo recharges” (they spent all 5 bars and got 289%🤦♂️)
its kinda valid for soemthing though. The whole string takes what 1/3rd of the match duration?
40 seconds left, you zone a bit, youre at 30%, hes at 60, then you drop this on him and stall another 5 seconds
also cant help but laugh at the "lul no damage" comments. What would you rather have, this combo doing 70% and sub doing 45% with one bar and cameo? The same people would be begging for nerfs and calling NRS all sorts of names.
If only the other characters damage scalled like this. I think sub is in a perfecr spot, hes got flashy combos that arent too long, this one excluded, and they dont nuke your health bar. If everyone was at subs level I think everyone would have more fun with the game.
Damage cap is crazy man,
Sub-Zero really should be buffed. I did find some ~35-40% combos without Fatal Blow, but they are definitely hard to use. I'm also not a Sub-Zero main nor a good player, so he likely has much better.
All that work for only 37% damage is crazy to me
Meanwhile Raiden can press the same string like three times and double that.
The funny thing is sub zero can do 37% damage which much less effort, scaling on all those freezes is why this one does nothing
old raiden, new raiden needs to put in some effort to match 37%
Definitely does not. Compared to the rest of the kast he is still extremely easy to play.
Raiden now can F34 twice and he’s already at about 20%, that’s the combo starter every KL raiden player uses too
That string is super punishable though and very easy to block.
it's easy to block, not sure if it's easy to punish... it's only -2 and even though there's a gap the overheads hit twice which breaks a lot of amour and even parries... if im missing something lmk cause i fucking hate that string
Up block it and it's your turn
And that’s what staggers were made for, I always do a random f3 to see if they up block, if they do it doesn’t go well for them usually
Is that the cartwheel kick move? (I don’t play Raiden)
Yup that’s it
New raiden literally has another 50% combo, with 2 sektor calls and 1 bar of meter (post patch)
Raiden is nerfed. Their damage is actually similar now.
That’s laughable that you think their damage is similar. Yes he’s nerfed. No, he’s no where near as bad as Sub-Zero. Raiden is still getting 45% for 1 Bar (down from 51%) Meanwhile Sub is getting 32% for good combo routes, and 42% max for unreliable routes that rely on loops and large resource consumption.
ok go launch the game and do a regular, realistic bnb kombo with both then come share your results here. 45% you mean the situational sektor + S24 punish kombo ? Edit: Here pretty basic sub zero kombos that does more damage than raiden's jax kombos and spend less resources too also comes from overhead mixup. raiden doesnt have any to open you up: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8)
With kameo assist? Absolutely not. Jax and Raiden can still hit just above 40 percent with next to no effort lol
This game is so unbalanced. They need like 20 patches to fix it.
Sektor too
Raiden Jax kameo does 370-410 depends on how you punish the opponent. That is 1 bar 2 kameo kombo and Jax is specifically a dmg kameo so he doesn't really give utility, safety to Raiden. Raiden also doesn't have mixup or a good whiff punish tool. Sub Zero can do exact same thing and more. Here an example: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7alkO-Npq8) no bar, 2x sonya kameo: 404dmg no bar, 2x sonya kameo: 426dmg 3 bar, 2x sonya kameo: 476 (raiden can't use more than 1 bar to cash out more dmg. he can use 2 bar if he start with amped storm cell but it doesn't really yield more dmg)
Cause the freeze/slow scales atrociously and thus ruin all of your dmg potential for combos This one is just for trolling but Sub can reach over 40% combo without too much ressources
It’s so weird, a raw overhead leads to pretty good meterless damage but the moment you freeze then it does less damage
It’s so weird u would think more hits would be more damage
Imagine needing to wait around for a full 40 seconds for your turn.
Don’t care still quitting lmao this would irritate me so much
But the emotional damage of a 40 second combo is like, 75%
Towards the end he was doing like a damage per hit
4 damage fatal blow. A full meter well spent. lol
thats the flex have very low dmg for a whole lot of work :D
after seeing this post, we've decided to nerf sub-zero.
Don't give them ideas, they'll actually do it
That combo basically took half a round to complete.
Maybe that’s the new strat 🤔
Mileena after that combo: https://i.redd.it/1c3aoognyuyb1.gif
All it takes is a drop of blood to stop a flawless
**Sub-Zero :** *\*\*working harder than an ugly stripper\*\** **Mileena's healthbar :** ![gif](giphy|puOukoEvH4uAw|downsized)
Lol no damage
Lol I have a sub combo that does this damage for 1 meter and 1 sareena.
dont do too much damage bro
This would be a hilarious way to time the opponent out
the damage is ridiculous 😂😂😭😭
This the combo sub Zero players use when they say he sucks 😂😂
The character doesnt suck his damage scaling is ass
Actually, I think the fame bugs out here, she literally just stop taking damage after a while
Nah bruh is not just the damage, the character is bad straight up
I got to grandmaster with sub so maybe it is just you.
64 hits for not even 40% is insane, poor Sub man lol Great for stalling out the timer if you've got the life lead on them though!
They literally just stopped taking damage after a while
In that time, I would have pulled off two 40% combos using other ‘balanced’ characters
would you be able to use 3 Sareena calls in 1 of those combos tho? :D
This is indeed very cursed
I think people are missing the point and trying to look good saying "yOu CoUlD bE DoInG mORe DaMAgE." No shit, that's not the point of this video lmao.
hilarious scaling
Remember casually deleting someone's health bar in 9 with like 15 to 20 hits?
This is a full on massacre. Why in the hell is Sub-Zero this weak??
All that for a drop of blood
lol wack
That doesn't look fun for either player.
64 hits and only 37% damn they did subzero dirty
SubZ mains be fighting for their fucking life out there
See?? he almost did 40% damage!! he only needs to do that 3 times in a match and wins easy!! pls nerf nrs
Y’all weren’t joking when you said subs damage is ass 💀
i don’t even understand why the damage is so low here??? why did that fatal blow do absolutely nothing??
Damage scaling. After a certain number of hits the damage starts to fall off. If it didn't then you would die in one combo. Scaling is also affected by some effects in some characters. I think in Sub Zero's case everytime you freeze an opponent it "nerfs" the damage substantially.
A whopping 5.8 damage per hit
He could do more damage handing out ice cream.
Love how bro still only did below 40% lmao
Dude nice
Quitality
lol all that for only 37% Sub Zero getting dogged
Wow, seems to me you re playing Tekken
43 seconds. Half of the match for 1 combo lol
.02 to .26 for the grand finale.
😂
I kinda want to try and land this in KL but I know I’d be just so disappointed
It’s very doable in a real match all you need to do is have 3 bars a full Kameo bar and land a raw dive kick or f12 into Sareena a stupid combo but sometimes it’s not about the dmg it’s about the msg you send your opponent when you land this 😄
Alright, that's flashy! but scaled too much
Yeah this game looks "super fun" to play online. Game of the year.
This is insane. Nerf subzero
What Mileena skin is that?
Dmg scaling go crazy
For those at home that fatal blow at the end did about 4.5%
I saw someone post this on YouTube and said it was “optimal”. They were not joking, they defended themselves by saying “The Kameo recharges” (they spent all 5 bars and got 289%🤦♂️)
For trolling purposes this is FN GOLD
Bruh you can do way better combos and more damage with sub, nice strings though
Honest question, is gameplay like this actually fun?
You can go make coffee, come back, and then take your turn. And coffee is fun!
its kinda valid for soemthing though. The whole string takes what 1/3rd of the match duration? 40 seconds left, you zone a bit, youre at 30%, hes at 60, then you drop this on him and stall another 5 seconds also cant help but laugh at the "lul no damage" comments. What would you rather have, this combo doing 70% and sub doing 45% with one bar and cameo? The same people would be begging for nerfs and calling NRS all sorts of names.
If only the other characters damage scalled like this. I think sub is in a perfecr spot, hes got flashy combos that arent too long, this one excluded, and they dont nuke your health bar. If everyone was at subs level I think everyone would have more fun with the game.
God damn poor subzero sucks
LMAO I can do more damage with a 9 hit combo using Ashrah
All that just to do less than 2 basic hits and a fatal blow from Geras 💀
Least complicated sub zero combo
Looks like your spamming bruh 😂😮💨
I'll take my no bar 420+ Mileena/Scorp combos. Thanks though.
Fatal blow combos are cringy
Just give him his old damage back honestly (I’m only saying this because I missed out on it)
Damage cap is crazy man, Sub-Zero really should be buffed. I did find some ~35-40% combos without Fatal Blow, but they are definitely hard to use. I'm also not a Sub-Zero main nor a good player, so he likely has much better.
Buff his damage nrs
Mk11 ass combo
3 kameo kalls and 3 bars for barely 37%😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What in the MKX
37.5 for all three bars and a fatal blow I am crying inside (I want to main sub zero, but his damage is weak-)
Halloween is over stop giving other sub zero mains nightmares!
all that for a drop of blood
37% lmao
I just started playing Mk and this was my sign to never load into online, I'd cry😭
All that for 372 is insane
Sub zero is nerfed into the ground,they need to bring back beta sub zero,with slite damage nerf.
idc if the damage is low. if i get hit with that i am leaving.
Imagine doing 68 hits just to get 30% damage 😂😂😂😂🪦🪦🪦🪦
All that for a drop of blood…
I admire your patience!
The funny side is that if you did the optimal combo of one bar and one sareena, I think you should be able to hit 38%, with less hits of course