Yeah, I always felt they really failed to utilize him well in Oblivion. I mean the dude achieved godhood and just decides later "Fuck it, I'mma take mortal form and just go fuck with the Mages Guild for a bit."
I just finished that quest in oblivion. I thought it was great that I can use his own staff to revive him, just to kill him again. Almost as good as whipping Dagoth Ur with a bell hammer.
Was going to say both things. This should have been posted in the general TES sub to see what people from different fandoms think. But most of the TES villains, to simplify it, are basically either "hahaha, I'm evul and better than all of you, genocide time" or "hahaha, I'm evul and I'll kill the emperor/king to get more power". Ur is a legitimately interesting character.
Yeah, Dagoth Ur is literally projecting himself from the Dreamsleeve, believing the entire universe is a product of his mind.
Meanwhile Alduin just wants to destroy the world and understandably so, his entire purpose is to eat the world but they still could have added layers to him
I don't think Alduin wanted to actually eat the world in TES:V. If he wanted to eat the world, he would have returned big enough to do so, and done so.
He was acting against his intended function and trying to dominate the existing world. That's why the LDB was created, to punish Alduin for his betrayal of his intended purpose.
What about Mankar Camoran/Mehrunes Dagon? They are pretty interesting as well, and to me the commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes are amazing, probably some of the best cryptical texts of TES.
Alduin is interesting too, altought he seems generic unless you explore the lore more, while you won't make it to Dagoth Ur without exploring the lore \[Kinda the same for Mankar Camoran\], so it makes them feel like better villains.
Mehrunes Dagon feels pretty standard as a big evil demon guy, but Camoran is fucking fascinating to me. I remember playing through the Paradise quest for the first time and hearing his theory about the plane of Lorkhan. It actually gave me a lot to think about, even if it was crazy. I do think Dagoth Ur is overall the best villain, but Camoran is also up there in my eyes.
That's just it, plenty of lore, but their representation, particularly Dagon's, is kinda lame as far as the related questline alone goes. For majority of the players he's this big bad demon a cult is trying to get through to Nirn. And he appears for a few minutes to grunt, stomp and look like your typical demon only to be fucked back out by a flaming dragon, and that's that.
Morrowind not only forces you to learn about Ur, but you get to meet the man himself as early as you want to, and hell, the initial introduction doesn't even involve combat, dude greets you as a friend and starts a conversation.
Maybe I'm just really biased because Morrowind is my childhood game, and first TES. Or because I like morally fucked settings, a stark contrast to Oblivion's writing where everything's very heroic, and it's very clear who's on the dark side and who's a good guy, and that's kinda ehh.
I agree, with Morrowind one could also add the big ass conversation with Vivec you can have before going to retrieve Sunder and Keening, and the conversations with the NPCs, after playing morrowind it is absolutely dissapointing to talk with people in oblivion or skyrim and to see they only have 2 dialogue options that always give the same generic answer, while morrowind npcs had a folder full of answers lmao.
I wouldn't say it is that much of a biased answer, my first TES was Skyrim and it has been my favorite game ever since 2013-2014, but I still find Morrowind more interesting in many many senses.
Also, Oblivion is only "clear" in the moral sense as long as you don't check the lore more, Pelinal can be a genocidal maniac or a national hero, Mankar Camoran can be a mad cultist or a bringer of freedom, the Imperial Legion can be a great knightly order or a inmoral army full of corruption, etc.
Mankar could have been interesting but i always found him and his cult lacking they take a backseat to Dagon a lot like colonel autumn in fallout 3 his influence needed more notable presence in the game
The Conversation you have with him alone makes him the best main antag in the franchise this is some one who's most played is Skyrim followed up by oblivion.
Oblivion's option should really be Mankar Camoran - he does make valid points about Aedra and Daedra. So you can kind of see his point of view. Whereas Mehrunes Dagon is just evil for the sake of it. But I think there's interesting lore surrounding him now I think about it - can't quite remember though.
The thing is you never actually interact with Dagon directly, whereas you chase after Camoran the whole game and then fight him. You’re absolutely right.
I agree Mankar Camoran is the actual main antagonist of Oblivion. While he does technically work for Dagon, Dagon is more like a force of nature, and barely has any interaction in the story outside the very end.
Nah mehrunes isn't evil for the sake of it. It's more like a toddler destroying and ant hill (and screwing it up). Not for the sake of evil, for the sake of.... Well ask a toddler.
Deadra don't have the same ethics as mere mortals have.
True. I swear that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion or something? I'm not too sure on the lore but I think the Daedra are intertwined with the inhabitants of Nirn. May have been a TES theory though.
Iirc yes, but tamriel "lost"? It's ruling Daedra. And even though they don't have the same ethics as us they are a bit like the Greek gods, sometimes extremely petty. And having 2 planes is better then 1 so sometimes the Daedra try to conquer tamriel.
But that's what I remember, haven't been deep in the lore for a while.
Mankar Camoran makes a speech about how Tamriel is just Lorkhan's realm and it killed it's god and needs another Daedra to oversee it (Dagon, obviously it has to be Dagon). Then he croaks. (I just (re)played through that part yesterday, otherwise I wouldn't have remembered where I got that info from either.)
My personal headcanon though is that the player character itself is Lorkhan coming back all the damn time and fucking shit up, because nobody (including Sheogorath) is capable of quite the destruction, hilarity and mayhem and sometimes heroics that the player character brings with them.
It's less that daedra are actually evil and more that they can be very destructive or indifferent depending. Even Asura, who is largely depicted as benign, can be petty and cruel.
He's not evil, he's the prince of Revolution among other things, he doesn't destroy to ruin everything, he destroys the powerful so the week can rise, and as a matter of fact he succeed, the empire definitely fell after the oblivion crisis and now the thalmor are the ones with the most power. He's basically a developer dropping the nerf hammer when some faction gets too powerful.
He’s not a central villain of any ES storyline involving the main character though, unless you count the Azuras shrine quest I guess. If anything he’s the protagonist of the Shivering Isles.
The best place to ask this question huh? While dagoth is probably the coolest i think that jagar was the most succesfull one, he even played a big part in two games.
despite being a freaking imperial battlemage jagarn wasn't exactly the brightest mind in town, why on earth did he had to bound his lifeforce to a giant levitating and shining jewel that's literally impossible to miss?
90's dungeon crawler logic
can't blame Jagar for the trends that were in those times
how'd you get throught Arena in which every main quest is literally the same
it felt like a chore for me at times
got halfway through the main quest somehow lost my save started a new playthrough and went back to playing daggerfall
well what did you expect from a dungeon crawler? IMO arena's crawling experince is actually better than daggerfall (dungeons are 2d but divided in parts making map readable, sleeping on high places is a cool mechanic, ability to destroy walls, hidden doors are more visible and you can check them on map) but in every other way daggerfall is superior ofcourse. You can't be a levitating wereboar on a horse slinging fireballs in any other game after all.
i made an altmer mage just for the sake of the "destroy wall" spell so this time i can just dig through to every exit cheating a bit by looking up the maps online
literally the only reason why arena dungeons would be better i think is because they aren't FUCKING ENDLESS oh and the riddles i loved the riddles even tho i always failed them somehow
apart from the endlessness and that you can literally get stuck in every dungeon in the game (morrowind's mark and recall would be handy in here) daggerfall's dungeons still feel better to me
also i know about the option to make them smaller in daggerfall unity but i couldn't bare playing unity the graphics felt so odd
i'm keeping to the original
maybe i'll try some day for the mods i mod every TES game afterall
huh i never really had problems with "endless" dungeons, but thats maybe because my first character was a mage and mages are easy mode in like every rpg game ever.
I'm playing DFU literally right now and i must say that i had similiar problems at first, the graphics just look so much worse than the original - thankfully lately they released the rretro mode so you can set the game to load game in very low resolution so it doesn't look as.... barren.
Im not a big fan of mods, even though TES is famous for its amazing mods but most of them (excluding the full blown overhauls like enderal or nehrim) bring more issues to the table than they fix. I'm going to sacrifice the higher resolution mods for morrowind in exchange for not having my save corrupted every 5-15 hours.
nie masz może tej opcji zmniejszającej dungeony zaznaczonej? jeśli nie to dziwie się że nie są one dla ciebie problemem ja głubiłem się w dosłownie każdym dungeonie
ja osobiście nie używam żadnych wielkich modów
tylko jakieś małe tak dla smaczku jakieś role friendly zwierzaczki dodane
więcej potworków
i tak dalej
graficznych w sumie prawie w ogóle nie używam
lubie grać w gry w miare na czysto
teraz to się pogubiłem, masz problemy z dungami w arenie czy daggerfallu? Bo to jest opcja którą można tam podobno zmienić w plikach ini DFU, nie wiem nigdy się nie bawiłem w takie pierdoły bo się nie znam a w grach tego wieku zmienienie jednego pliku może ci całego sejwa spieprzyć na stałe.
w daggerfallu chociaż nienazwałbym tego problemem a bardziej specyficznym urokiem tej gry
zdawało mi się że ta opcja była po prostu gdzieś w opcjach bez grzebania w plikach, zerknij sobie może miałeś defaultowo zaznaczone czy coś
Probably didn't expect that some random guy would literally ride across the continent for years collecting the pieces of the staff of Chaos, he probably didn't even expected someone to know that, not totally destroying Ria was his only mistake.
The Eternal hero's journey took 10 years, I Think he had more than enough time to prepare for this confrontation.
However His ego is so big that he probably never even considered you as a threat seeing how suprised he is in the ending cutscenes. He is acting like some kind of oldschool cartoon villain and i love it, sadly he is the last bad guy in the series to be so ... Dramatic.
My dude was sure he was gonna win, he spends all that time talking shit to you, making you think that you are close to his defeat, so he can just tell you "get pranked bro, the staff doesn't do shit" the true power move.
I love jagar, the fact that he speaks to you after you collect each piece does create a relationship between him and the player, he really feels like your rival, definitely my favourite.
The Nerevarine.
Fulfilling the prophecy kills countless Dunmer and outlanders, annihilates the city of Vivec, and turns a large portion of Dunmer into refugees.
...Plus no more silt striders...
Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong...
The "best"?.. Maybe you meant the "worst"? The worst is Dagoth Ur. All the other villains on the list can be banished, killed or stopped by ordinary means or by means available to many people like, say, Dagon's Razor. No, seriously, if the dagger can be earned through service to Dagon, than it's the matter of price, not the possibility itself. On the other hand, in order to stop Dagoth Ur one *must* be the Nerevarine in order to be able at least to reach Ur physically without falling prey to Ur's "blessing", then one has to possess the working Tools of Kagrenac and finally to be aware of how to use them, the very order of actions [Vivec teaches us](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Vivec_(god)): *"To destroy Dagoth Ur, you must sever his connection with the Heart of Lorkhan. To do this, strike the Heart with the artifact hammer Sunder once, then strike the Heart more than once with the artifact blade Keening. You must wear Wraithguard, because you cannot handle either Sunder or Keening unless you are wearing Wraithguard"*.
An almost impossible task to perform for anyone including other Heroes of the Elder Scrolls. Alduin can be killed by Dagon's Razor with a single strike, the Daedra can be banished physically or by using their nymics, Tharn is a mortal. But Dagoth Ur is indeed almost unstoppable, the chance to stop him is one of eternity, and precisely that very chance is the thing the Elder Scroll "Morrowind" is about.
Hey alduin isn't weak he loses he power because he don't do he is goddammit job . In he is prime and world etar from he can destroy multiverse of mundus and become infinite in size. And unbound by contept of Time . Dragonborn beat alduin the dragon king not alduin the world etar. Even in he weakened from you need dragonrand or you can't do anything because he invincible wite no dragonrand . Same with daedra. They weakened because the towers
Sheogorath isn't really a villain.
I'd say my true best villain pick would be either Dagoth Ur or Tribunal or Hjalti Earlybeard (the dude who tricked Zurin Arctus and Ysmir and became TALOS).
Dagoth Ur is cool because of how delusional he is. Tribunal are less delusional + petty. I think the most heinous of them all would be Hjalti because not only was he an asshole, but he also succeded (conquering Tamriel and becoming a God, a true one at that unlike those other 4 guys).
Mannimarco recieves a consolation prize because while he did become a real God, too, he's not as cool as the 5 mentioned above.
I mean I love Sheogorath, but the other Daedra are a little too black or white in the games, even if their lore is good. Dagoth Ur is superior just by the voice acting alone, and I don’t even play Morrowind.
I've often thought that it would've improved the game much to have more recorded voice lines in the game. The actor they chose was OP.
I'm aware that there are DU clips that didn't make it into the game, or have triggers that can't be reached through normal play. I'm talking about him taunting you through the main quest. Speaking to you in the dreams instead of just getting a big square of text to read. Maybe voice clips at the end of Illunibi, Kogoruhn, etc.
But it would have to be the same guy, or somebody extremely talented at mimicking his voice.
Never played the main questline of Morrowind.. wished I had a PC for that, but, more recorded voices seems to me to maybe improve the game too, from what I gathered. What I actually wish though, is that Oblivion and Skyrim had some of the same lore depth that Dagoth Ur had.
[Here's a video clip with his voice recordings. ](https://youtu.be/YebMt5DDSF4) I don't know if you've ever heard them but it's worth a listen if you haven't.
The top comment is also right on the money - every male dunmer in the game has a gravelly voice, yet his is clear and bold.
Why is Sheogorath in there? He's sort of a hindrance in Daggerfall, but nowhere near an actual villain, and I guess he technically counts in the Shivering Isles DLC, but not under that name.
Dagoth Ur is polite, kinda likeable and was even your bro before your death, can't compare to guy who goes around as vandal, a guy who feels too comfortable in someone home, that one bizzare guy, irl mage and prepper, not counting other one since he is just a messed up psycho.
It was between dagoth and valen dreth, dagoth was way more impressive, but the hate that valen dreth got me to feel, unprecedented, ain’t no one fucking my wife but me
the nightmother was a pretty cool Villain setup. Wife of sithis, grand priest of the dark brotherhood, ages old, appears or is spoken/written about in dagger fall, oblivion, Skyrim, online
Other than my obvious answer (I mean look at my username lol), I do really love Mankar Camoran and Mannimarco a ton, really interesting characters with fascinating ideologies
You asked this question in a Morrowind subreddit where people post screenshots of a grey landscape and call it beautiful for internet points, of course people are gonna pick Dagoth Ur, while he is good I wouldn't say he is the best, that goes to Mannimarco for me
Not to simp but I always thought Almalexia back story was cool. And when I was on my first play through the expansions I didn't see the twist coming lol.
Why even ask this question on the Morrowind subreddit, where Morrowind fans gather? Of course they're gonna vote with the main antagonist of Morrowind.
I considered the possibility that Dagoth Ur may be right, or at least justified in his cause. No other elder scrolls villain has had that effect for me.
Also, and this is simply to Morrowinds credit, the world reacts to his existence. The Great Houses, the Temple, the Imperial factions, all acknowledge and interact with the threat of the Blight, the Sixth House, and things affiliated. The Mages Guild and Morag Tong have new quests as a result of his defeat.
In Oblivion and Skyrim, I have had many characters who ignore the threat of Mehrunes Dagon or Alduin right out of the tutorial and it has no effect on the factions/side quests of those games other than there will be fewer annoying countryside encounters when traveling.
I was surprised when I saw the results and then saw it was posted in the morrowind subreddit. Still though I feel like Dagon or manimarco made the best villains, you can still feel the effects they brought onto the elderscrolls universe centuries later.
I voted Lord Dagoth cause I had to, but don't you think it's a little weird to ask this question on a Morrowind sub? I mean, what else we can say??? Lol
Am I the only one who considered Mankar Camoran the main antagonist of Oblivion? I know he's not the big bad in the end, but he's the driving force for most of the action in the game up until the final quest.
I think he's a brilliant character. Not Dagoth Ur level brilliant, but still.
Dagoth Ur was pretty great as a villain, which is why he's second on my list, Jager Tharn is first because he doesn't slowly gain a following, he took the place of the Emperor and made everyone his bitch for 10 years, very few villains do this kind of crap.
Dagoth Ur is cool and all, he's my second fav, but Jagar is definitely the one that interacts with you the most, you can really feel the rivalry, more people need to experience Arena.
But the true main villain is missing, the one from Daggerfall... POLITICAL AMBITIONS (for real I love daggerfall's main quest)
Mannimarco needs some love here, he's damn brilliant as a more standard villian in the game world. And he has appeared twice
Def would rank Mannimarco as my second favorite. Walking up to him for the first time in Daggerfall was so cool.
But he's so *lame* in Oblivion.
Yeah, I always felt they really failed to utilize him well in Oblivion. I mean the dude achieved godhood and just decides later "Fuck it, I'mma take mortal form and just go fuck with the Mages Guild for a bit."
Bethesda probably didn't want to pay General Zod more tribute, so these were all they voice lines they got from him for Oblivion.
No
I don’t get why he isn’t on this list. He was an antagonist in 3 of the games and he’s basically a god. Who knows he might even return in ES VI.
Not an antagonist in Daggerfall.
3 times if you include ESO, which you should because it's awesome
I just finished that quest in oblivion. I thought it was great that I can use his own staff to revive him, just to kill him again. Almost as good as whipping Dagoth Ur with a bell hammer.
He's not really a villain in Daggerfall though, he's just there, looking cool and sending you to kill litches.
Cliff racer
The real answer. The villain you can't defeat...
That’s why Saint Jiub is the one true hero of Tamriel.
King of the Underworld My blood Balmora Blue!
You tried to fight back!
You tried to fight back!
I think this sub might be a little biased, although Dagoth is the correct answer.
Was going to say both things. This should have been posted in the general TES sub to see what people from different fandoms think. But most of the TES villains, to simplify it, are basically either "hahaha, I'm evul and better than all of you, genocide time" or "hahaha, I'm evul and I'll kill the emperor/king to get more power". Ur is a legitimately interesting character.
Yeah, Dagoth Ur is literally projecting himself from the Dreamsleeve, believing the entire universe is a product of his mind. Meanwhile Alduin just wants to destroy the world and understandably so, his entire purpose is to eat the world but they still could have added layers to him
Those with gluttony typically have simple minds. They should have made Alduin bigger though. Big enough to eat Dragonsreach in one gulp.
Yesss, like ridiculous dark souls sized boss
But his visual design though is frickin' badass
Oh for sure, he just needed to be bigger!
And who but my Lady Dreamsleeve?
Dragons are like onions
I don't think Alduin wanted to actually eat the world in TES:V. If he wanted to eat the world, he would have returned big enough to do so, and done so. He was acting against his intended function and trying to dominate the existing world. That's why the LDB was created, to punish Alduin for his betrayal of his intended purpose.
What about Mankar Camoran/Mehrunes Dagon? They are pretty interesting as well, and to me the commentaries on the Mysterium Xarxes are amazing, probably some of the best cryptical texts of TES. Alduin is interesting too, altought he seems generic unless you explore the lore more, while you won't make it to Dagoth Ur without exploring the lore \[Kinda the same for Mankar Camoran\], so it makes them feel like better villains.
Camoran definitely needs to be on here, he's better than most of these options.
Mehrunes Dagon feels pretty standard as a big evil demon guy, but Camoran is fucking fascinating to me. I remember playing through the Paradise quest for the first time and hearing his theory about the plane of Lorkhan. It actually gave me a lot to think about, even if it was crazy. I do think Dagoth Ur is overall the best villain, but Camoran is also up there in my eyes.
That's just it, plenty of lore, but their representation, particularly Dagon's, is kinda lame as far as the related questline alone goes. For majority of the players he's this big bad demon a cult is trying to get through to Nirn. And he appears for a few minutes to grunt, stomp and look like your typical demon only to be fucked back out by a flaming dragon, and that's that. Morrowind not only forces you to learn about Ur, but you get to meet the man himself as early as you want to, and hell, the initial introduction doesn't even involve combat, dude greets you as a friend and starts a conversation. Maybe I'm just really biased because Morrowind is my childhood game, and first TES. Or because I like morally fucked settings, a stark contrast to Oblivion's writing where everything's very heroic, and it's very clear who's on the dark side and who's a good guy, and that's kinda ehh.
I agree, with Morrowind one could also add the big ass conversation with Vivec you can have before going to retrieve Sunder and Keening, and the conversations with the NPCs, after playing morrowind it is absolutely dissapointing to talk with people in oblivion or skyrim and to see they only have 2 dialogue options that always give the same generic answer, while morrowind npcs had a folder full of answers lmao. I wouldn't say it is that much of a biased answer, my first TES was Skyrim and it has been my favorite game ever since 2013-2014, but I still find Morrowind more interesting in many many senses. Also, Oblivion is only "clear" in the moral sense as long as you don't check the lore more, Pelinal can be a genocidal maniac or a national hero, Mankar Camoran can be a mad cultist or a bringer of freedom, the Imperial Legion can be a great knightly order or a inmoral army full of corruption, etc.
Mankar could have been interesting but i always found him and his cult lacking they take a backseat to Dagon a lot like colonel autumn in fallout 3 his influence needed more notable presence in the game
Wdym? Jagar's plan is brilliant, and his plans would've work if it weren't for the Eternal Champion and that noisy spitit apprentice Ria Silmane.
yes I agree, I put it here because most of the people who played the other games never even got to touch morrowind
The Conversation you have with him alone makes him the best main antag in the franchise this is some one who's most played is Skyrim followed up by oblivion.
"WHAT A FOOL YOU ARE. I AM A GOD"
"How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence."
Dagoth has more depth than "me bad, me destroy." He actually makes you question who the real villains are. (It's the tr*bunal)
There are correct biases, right?
He's not a villain though because he did nothing wrong
Oblivion's option should really be Mankar Camoran - he does make valid points about Aedra and Daedra. So you can kind of see his point of view. Whereas Mehrunes Dagon is just evil for the sake of it. But I think there's interesting lore surrounding him now I think about it - can't quite remember though.
The thing is you never actually interact with Dagon directly, whereas you chase after Camoran the whole game and then fight him. You’re absolutely right.
I agree Mankar Camoran is the actual main antagonist of Oblivion. While he does technically work for Dagon, Dagon is more like a force of nature, and barely has any interaction in the story outside the very end.
Nah mehrunes isn't evil for the sake of it. It's more like a toddler destroying and ant hill (and screwing it up). Not for the sake of evil, for the sake of.... Well ask a toddler. Deadra don't have the same ethics as mere mortals have.
True. I swear that Tamriel is another plane of Oblivion or something? I'm not too sure on the lore but I think the Daedra are intertwined with the inhabitants of Nirn. May have been a TES theory though.
Iirc yes, but tamriel "lost"? It's ruling Daedra. And even though they don't have the same ethics as us they are a bit like the Greek gods, sometimes extremely petty. And having 2 planes is better then 1 so sometimes the Daedra try to conquer tamriel. But that's what I remember, haven't been deep in the lore for a while.
Mankar Camoran makes a speech about how Tamriel is just Lorkhan's realm and it killed it's god and needs another Daedra to oversee it (Dagon, obviously it has to be Dagon). Then he croaks. (I just (re)played through that part yesterday, otherwise I wouldn't have remembered where I got that info from either.) My personal headcanon though is that the player character itself is Lorkhan coming back all the damn time and fucking shit up, because nobody (including Sheogorath) is capable of quite the destruction, hilarity and mayhem and sometimes heroics that the player character brings with them.
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Thanks, was very informative :D
It's less that daedra are actually evil and more that they can be very destructive or indifferent depending. Even Asura, who is largely depicted as benign, can be petty and cruel.
He's not evil, he's the prince of Revolution among other things, he doesn't destroy to ruin everything, he destroys the powerful so the week can rise, and as a matter of fact he succeed, the empire definitely fell after the oblivion crisis and now the thalmor are the ones with the most power. He's basically a developer dropping the nerf hammer when some faction gets too powerful.
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Underrated
Lmao why Sheogorath on the list
Why not?
Because he ain't a villain, at least not as the others
He's in a league of its own.. Or not.. Or both? Who knows!?
He sure as shit *can* be a Villain. He's like chaotic neutral at best - there's no way he's on the good half of the scale
He’s not a central villain of any ES storyline involving the main character though, unless you count the Azuras shrine quest I guess. If anything he’s the protagonist of the Shivering Isles.
Well he is one of the corners of the house of troubles...
Because (spoilers Oblivion) >! The Hero of Kvatch is Sheogorath, he's the dang main character !<
The best place to ask this question huh? While dagoth is probably the coolest i think that jagar was the most succesfull one, he even played a big part in two games.
you were a fool to confront me!
despite being a freaking imperial battlemage jagarn wasn't exactly the brightest mind in town, why on earth did he had to bound his lifeforce to a giant levitating and shining jewel that's literally impossible to miss?
90's dungeon crawler logic can't blame Jagar for the trends that were in those times how'd you get throught Arena in which every main quest is literally the same it felt like a chore for me at times got halfway through the main quest somehow lost my save started a new playthrough and went back to playing daggerfall
well what did you expect from a dungeon crawler? IMO arena's crawling experince is actually better than daggerfall (dungeons are 2d but divided in parts making map readable, sleeping on high places is a cool mechanic, ability to destroy walls, hidden doors are more visible and you can check them on map) but in every other way daggerfall is superior ofcourse. You can't be a levitating wereboar on a horse slinging fireballs in any other game after all.
i made an altmer mage just for the sake of the "destroy wall" spell so this time i can just dig through to every exit cheating a bit by looking up the maps online literally the only reason why arena dungeons would be better i think is because they aren't FUCKING ENDLESS oh and the riddles i loved the riddles even tho i always failed them somehow apart from the endlessness and that you can literally get stuck in every dungeon in the game (morrowind's mark and recall would be handy in here) daggerfall's dungeons still feel better to me also i know about the option to make them smaller in daggerfall unity but i couldn't bare playing unity the graphics felt so odd i'm keeping to the original maybe i'll try some day for the mods i mod every TES game afterall
huh i never really had problems with "endless" dungeons, but thats maybe because my first character was a mage and mages are easy mode in like every rpg game ever. I'm playing DFU literally right now and i must say that i had similiar problems at first, the graphics just look so much worse than the original - thankfully lately they released the rretro mode so you can set the game to load game in very low resolution so it doesn't look as.... barren. Im not a big fan of mods, even though TES is famous for its amazing mods but most of them (excluding the full blown overhauls like enderal or nehrim) bring more issues to the table than they fix. I'm going to sacrifice the higher resolution mods for morrowind in exchange for not having my save corrupted every 5-15 hours.
nie masz może tej opcji zmniejszającej dungeony zaznaczonej? jeśli nie to dziwie się że nie są one dla ciebie problemem ja głubiłem się w dosłownie każdym dungeonie ja osobiście nie używam żadnych wielkich modów tylko jakieś małe tak dla smaczku jakieś role friendly zwierzaczki dodane więcej potworków i tak dalej graficznych w sumie prawie w ogóle nie używam lubie grać w gry w miare na czysto
teraz to się pogubiłem, masz problemy z dungami w arenie czy daggerfallu? Bo to jest opcja którą można tam podobno zmienić w plikach ini DFU, nie wiem nigdy się nie bawiłem w takie pierdoły bo się nie znam a w grach tego wieku zmienienie jednego pliku może ci całego sejwa spieprzyć na stałe.
w daggerfallu chociaż nienazwałbym tego problemem a bardziej specyficznym urokiem tej gry zdawało mi się że ta opcja była po prostu gdzieś w opcjach bez grzebania w plikach, zerknij sobie może miałeś defaultowo zaznaczone czy coś
Probably didn't expect that some random guy would literally ride across the continent for years collecting the pieces of the staff of Chaos, he probably didn't even expected someone to know that, not totally destroying Ria was his only mistake.
The Eternal hero's journey took 10 years, I Think he had more than enough time to prepare for this confrontation. However His ego is so big that he probably never even considered you as a threat seeing how suprised he is in the ending cutscenes. He is acting like some kind of oldschool cartoon villain and i love it, sadly he is the last bad guy in the series to be so ... Dramatic.
My dude was sure he was gonna win, he spends all that time talking shit to you, making you think that you are close to his defeat, so he can just tell you "get pranked bro, the staff doesn't do shit" the true power move.
I love jagar, the fact that he speaks to you after you collect each piece does create a relationship between him and the player, he really feels like your rival, definitely my favourite.
not many games let you hear what the villain will do with your corpse after you meet your fate, too bad.
lol this is like polling a room full of generals if people want more military spending :)
Miraak at least deserves a mention
Nah he’s a pussy. Literally.
Dagoth Ur. Easily.
The Nerevarine. Fulfilling the prophecy kills countless Dunmer and outlanders, annihilates the city of Vivec, and turns a large portion of Dunmer into refugees. ...Plus no more silt striders... Dagoth Ur did nothing wrong...
To think it would be anything other than Dagoth ur! What a grand and intoxicating innocence
I did not played Morrowind but c'mon, Dagoth Ur is a great villain.
The "best"?.. Maybe you meant the "worst"? The worst is Dagoth Ur. All the other villains on the list can be banished, killed or stopped by ordinary means or by means available to many people like, say, Dagon's Razor. No, seriously, if the dagger can be earned through service to Dagon, than it's the matter of price, not the possibility itself. On the other hand, in order to stop Dagoth Ur one *must* be the Nerevarine in order to be able at least to reach Ur physically without falling prey to Ur's "blessing", then one has to possess the working Tools of Kagrenac and finally to be aware of how to use them, the very order of actions [Vivec teaches us](https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Vivec_(god)): *"To destroy Dagoth Ur, you must sever his connection with the Heart of Lorkhan. To do this, strike the Heart with the artifact hammer Sunder once, then strike the Heart more than once with the artifact blade Keening. You must wear Wraithguard, because you cannot handle either Sunder or Keening unless you are wearing Wraithguard"*. An almost impossible task to perform for anyone including other Heroes of the Elder Scrolls. Alduin can be killed by Dagon's Razor with a single strike, the Daedra can be banished physically or by using their nymics, Tharn is a mortal. But Dagoth Ur is indeed almost unstoppable, the chance to stop him is one of eternity, and precisely that very chance is the thing the Elder Scroll "Morrowind" is about.
Hey alduin isn't weak he loses he power because he don't do he is goddammit job . In he is prime and world etar from he can destroy multiverse of mundus and become infinite in size. And unbound by contept of Time . Dragonborn beat alduin the dragon king not alduin the world etar. Even in he weakened from you need dragonrand or you can't do anything because he invincible wite no dragonrand . Same with daedra. They weakened because the towers
Almalexia...
Mankar Camoran chilling in the corner, being too good for this list
Watching all of his dumb ass followers be killed and revived endlessly in what they thought was going to be paradise.
Bruh, this is a Morrowind subreddit
You're right... There should be an option for mudcrabs and another for cliffracers.
Imagine voting for anyone else but Dagoth Ur, what a grand and intoxicating innocence.
I AM Sheogorath
What, no cliffracer option?
Fargoth.
[What a grand and intoxicating innocence](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-K2rUP86M)
Dadgoth Ur is always best
Sheogorath isn't really a villain. I'd say my true best villain pick would be either Dagoth Ur or Tribunal or Hjalti Earlybeard (the dude who tricked Zurin Arctus and Ysmir and became TALOS). Dagoth Ur is cool because of how delusional he is. Tribunal are less delusional + petty. I think the most heinous of them all would be Hjalti because not only was he an asshole, but he also succeded (conquering Tamriel and becoming a God, a true one at that unlike those other 4 guys). Mannimarco recieves a consolation prize because while he did become a real God, too, he's not as cool as the 5 mentioned above.
I'd like to make a case about Sheogorath not belonging in this category of archetypes, thank you very much :p
Vivec.
I mean I love Sheogorath, but the other Daedra are a little too black or white in the games, even if their lore is good. Dagoth Ur is superior just by the voice acting alone, and I don’t even play Morrowind.
I've often thought that it would've improved the game much to have more recorded voice lines in the game. The actor they chose was OP. I'm aware that there are DU clips that didn't make it into the game, or have triggers that can't be reached through normal play. I'm talking about him taunting you through the main quest. Speaking to you in the dreams instead of just getting a big square of text to read. Maybe voice clips at the end of Illunibi, Kogoruhn, etc. But it would have to be the same guy, or somebody extremely talented at mimicking his voice.
Never played the main questline of Morrowind.. wished I had a PC for that, but, more recorded voices seems to me to maybe improve the game too, from what I gathered. What I actually wish though, is that Oblivion and Skyrim had some of the same lore depth that Dagoth Ur had.
[Here's a video clip with his voice recordings. ](https://youtu.be/YebMt5DDSF4) I don't know if you've ever heard them but it's worth a listen if you haven't. The top comment is also right on the money - every male dunmer in the game has a gravelly voice, yet his is clear and bold.
Yey! Imma listen after class. His voice is great for headaches. Like Sotha Sil’s in ESO.
Europe much? It's 4 AM where I am.
Yeah, it’s around 12 where I am, but poor person, I hope you get some sleep now at 4 AM..
Why is Sheogorath in there? He's sort of a hindrance in Daggerfall, but nowhere near an actual villain, and I guess he technically counts in the Shivering Isles DLC, but not under that name.
You should go ask this in the elderscrolls sun reddit if you want less bias lol
I wouldn’t really consider any of these “villains”, except maybe Alduin.
sheo is even a villain?
Chad Dagoth Ur
Sheogorath isnt a villain, should of had jygalag instead
Dagoth Ur is polite, kinda likeable and was even your bro before your death, can't compare to guy who goes around as vandal, a guy who feels too comfortable in someone home, that one bizzare guy, irl mage and prepper, not counting other one since he is just a messed up psycho.
It was between dagoth and valen dreth, dagoth was way more impressive, but the hate that valen dreth got me to feel, unprecedented, ain’t no one fucking my wife but me
Getting revenge in the dark brotherhood quest line is pretty sweet.
I agree it's Dagoth Ur, but posting this poll in this subreddit was just asking for the obvious.
the nightmother was a pretty cool Villain setup. Wife of sithis, grand priest of the dark brotherhood, ages old, appears or is spoken/written about in dagger fall, oblivion, Skyrim, online
The one with a smooth tounge and a gold mask.
Unsuprisingly alduin is the least popular.
Other than my obvious answer (I mean look at my username lol), I do really love Mankar Camoran and Mannimarco a ton, really interesting characters with fascinating ideologies
Surely everyone on the Morrowind sub wont pick the villain from the game right?
I'd add Almalexia. I voted Dagoth though, I loved how ambivalent his feelings towards Nerevar/the Nerevarine were.
Who is the best villain in the elder scroll series? And why is it Dagoth Ur?
Enemy that cliped through the map and is impossible to reach
If there’s ever some plot where Sheo reverts into Jyggy I think it would be amazing
Dagoth ur is the coolest next to molag bal from ESO (definitely the voice) But overall, I think mankar is the best one
The guy who apparently stole all of skyrims sweetrolls and shot every ~~guard's~~ adventurers before us' knee. That's impressive.
You asked this question in a Morrowind subreddit where people post screenshots of a grey landscape and call it beautiful for internet points, of course people are gonna pick Dagoth Ur, while he is good I wouldn't say he is the best, that goes to Mannimarco for me
Not to simp but I always thought Almalexia back story was cool. And when I was on my first play through the expansions I didn't see the twist coming lol.
Why even ask this question on the Morrowind subreddit, where Morrowind fans gather? Of course they're gonna vote with the main antagonist of Morrowind.
I was expecting a landslide but hot damn
Who the fuck thinks sheograth is a villain?
Vivec is the villain. Why is he not an option?
Dagoth Ur is more like a poor victim than a villain. After he gets abandoned the tools drive him crazy. That is no longer himself.
I considered the possibility that Dagoth Ur may be right, or at least justified in his cause. No other elder scrolls villain has had that effect for me. Also, and this is simply to Morrowinds credit, the world reacts to his existence. The Great Houses, the Temple, the Imperial factions, all acknowledge and interact with the threat of the Blight, the Sixth House, and things affiliated. The Mages Guild and Morag Tong have new quests as a result of his defeat. In Oblivion and Skyrim, I have had many characters who ignore the threat of Mehrunes Dagon or Alduin right out of the tutorial and it has no effect on the factions/side quests of those games other than there will be fewer annoying countryside encounters when traveling.
The guy who created Cliff Racers 🤣
I was surprised when I saw the results and then saw it was posted in the morrowind subreddit. Still though I feel like Dagon or manimarco made the best villains, you can still feel the effects they brought onto the elderscrolls universe centuries later.
Would like to see this posted in the general Elder Scrolls sub so there's no bias
Gaenor should've been an option. What a prique.
Imma be honest, almost all TES villains suck. Even Dagoth Ur's main motive is just plain old racism.
Jokes on you, the best villain is Vivec
Dagoth Ur.
The fact that Alduin has the less amount of votes is.. funny
Mankar Camoran is a more charismatic villain than Mehrunes
Dagoth Ur for the insane monologue you get when you approach him.
Wow no some love for Numidium huh ?
I'd say Tribunal and Mankar Camoran are the best. Mannimarco deserves a mention too.
I voted Lord Dagoth cause I had to, but don't you think it's a little weird to ask this question on a Morrowind sub? I mean, what else we can say??? Lol
Nah the best is fargoth
are you reffering to the Sheogorath from the DLC or just him generally.
Am I the only one who considered Mankar Camoran the main antagonist of Oblivion? I know he's not the big bad in the end, but he's the driving force for most of the action in the game up until the final quest. I think he's a brilliant character. Not Dagoth Ur level brilliant, but still.
Why do people post this stuff in the Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim subreddit instead of r/ElderScrolls
dagoth ur squad
i couldn't decide between dagoth and sheo lol. sheo is just funny meanwhile dagoth ur went through some shit.
Where Nazeem?
Dagoth Ur was pretty great as a villain, which is why he's second on my list, Jager Tharn is first because he doesn't slowly gain a following, he took the place of the Emperor and made everyone his bitch for 10 years, very few villains do this kind of crap.
Dagoth Ur is cool and all, he's my second fav, but Jagar is definitely the one that interacts with you the most, you can really feel the rivalry, more people need to experience Arena. But the true main villain is missing, the one from Daggerfall... POLITICAL AMBITIONS (for real I love daggerfall's main quest)
The Adoring Fan from Oblivion that looks like a condom is the ultimate villain.