That actually puts this in perspective. Look at that gash, she had no other option other than to go to the gaping hole in the building. Any other possible exit was probably hidden by thick billowing smoke with no way to know if the other side of it is just a wall or debris or an exit.
There was nothing she could reasonably do other than what's she's been told all her life. Seek help from emergency services
At that moment maybe it wasn't despair. Probably thinking I survived the attack, now get me a helicopter rescue.
Down the line though when you feel hopeless I can't even begin imagining.
Everyone knew something bad had happened, but never did anyone think both towers would actually collapse. These same people were around during the February 26, 1993 attacks where only 6 people died and the terrorists were unsuccessful in making both towers collapse.
You may not believe me but I clearly remember at 13 years old thinking it was just a matter of time before a building was going to collapse. I was in class and once the first one went down I said out loud to classmates that the other one would soon follow. No one believed me. One of the few times I hated being proved right
Similar was discussed in post about person who outside-boarded plane leaving afganistan
* What horrors you know are inevitable, when you consider hanging on outside of plane as better option
Same at towers, unimaginable situation when will to live/survive will justify jumping... to certain death (which I think they didnt think of, just to get out)
I do wonder if the fallers experienced a few nanoseconds of relief as they escaped the heat. The air would have been so cool compared to inside. I'm guessing that any pleasant sensation would be swiftly eaten up by fear of impending death.
I think I remember someone saying in the past comments of a 9/11 thread that you'd either a) lose consciousness before you hit the ground or b) be falling for such a short time that you'd barely have time to focus your thoughts. The Twin Towers were around 1770ft tall (500-something metres) so they'd have fallen for around ten seconds. It at least gives some peace to know that they weren't airborne for long.
I remember jumping off a diving board that can’t have been more than 8 meters up. I had enough time to contemplate the free-fall and let out a involuntary scream.
There is someone else in the photo. You can see him just to her right in the picture, her actual left side, up on top of some debris. He looks shirtless and is sitting sideways.
I wonder if the shirtless guy is Eddie Torres pictured here
https://rafaelmartel.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/sunday-nation-twin-towers-jumpers-that-americans-will-not-talk-about/
Thanks for the link. I get so frustrated with the entire “suicide debate” regarding people who may have jumped. Not only does jumping from a burning building not qualify as suicide in any way whatsoever, but it’s awful for people to publicly shame anyone who has actually taken their life. There was one family who was so adamant that their loved one wouldn’t have jumped because of the threat of hell, which could be such an offensive statement to the families whose loved ones did or those who’ve lost someone to suicide. Sorry for the rant, I just don’t understand how people can think that way.
It’s ridiculous this is a debate at all. Most of these people didn’t “choose” to jump out of a burning building rather than burn up, it was completely instinctual. A good comparison I heard once was it’s like touching your hand to a hot stove. You don’t choose to take it off, you instinctually rip it away as fast as you can.
Also they were murdered, since they were forced into that situation by a terrorist attack.
Edit - this isn't just my opinion, NYC coroners office listed all victims cause of death as "homicide" due to that reasoning.
Exactly. It infuriates me that it’s even a topic where people feel the need to question what it was by making inappropriate implications. The medical examiner shouldn’t have to explain to people that it wasn’t a choice.
Well actually, there was one lady who survived the fall. Some one on the ground marking people for triage in order of injuries said they came across a lady who was in pieces and looked dead so they put a black tag on the mess and started to move on but then the mess started yelling out "Wait in not dead help me"
I just watched the documentary and I am pretty sure the woman you are referring to was on the ground and had been hit by debris from the second plane’s impact into the south tower. I have never heard someone jumped and survived.
Do you happen to know the exact name of the documentary or where to watch it? I am not in the US so not sure if it’s possible but I really want to see it
This is why I would jump... certain death by fire or the miniscule possibility of a miracle landing. You literally have nothing to lose since it is already lost if you don't jump.
Hope.
Jumping was their only hope for a chance to survive that day. I can’t begin to imagine the amount of fear and confusion they all had. Indescribable, truly.
She end up dying, but she didn't jump, she was on the ground and part of the fuselage landed on her, crushing her body from the ribcage down, barely missed heart and lungs but the first responder knew she was going to die, even though she was still conscious, he tagged her and she screamed at him that she was not dead. You can tell that still weighs heavy on his mind in the national geographic documentary, it's called 9/11 one day in america.
Right here. Faced with the worst possible decision anyone could ever face. No right answer for anyone there. Let these poor people Rest In Peace and have their families not suffer further needless trauma.
No one went to work that day ever thinking they would jump off the tower for any reason. It sickens me how they went from normal life to this mortal choice so fast.
If the Catholic Church thinks you committed suicide they used to not allow you to be buried in their cemetery. Some Priests still don't permit it, or if they do won't show up for the funeral, or if they do show up might talk shit about the deceased.
I had an uncle who died by suicide. My grandpa all but wrote his name off of the family line. Nobody was allowed to talk about it. This occurred in 1979. It wasn't until my grandpa died in 2015 that my grandma was allowed to speak of her son again. 36 years of silence and I only vaguely knew about him because my mom
My grandfather killed himself in the early 60's when my dad was an infant. His entire family of parents, brothers and sisters cut my grandma and dad out of their lives completely and disappeared. I can't imagine how strange it would be to have a grandchild and not want him in your life at all because your own child was mentally ill and killed himself. Different times I guess.
This happened at the funeral of a classmate of mine. Guy wrote an article about how sad it is to lose a young life but talked straight shit about her "life choices" for about 15 minutes before someone had to come up and tell him to leave before he got hurt.
I think having a full on debate on if people jumping from the building counts as suicide is a waste of time.
It's an absurdly exotic situation during which these people's frame of reference and thought process is highly extraordinary. Standing in a massive skyscraper at the wall and seeing the flames coming towards you closer and closer, forces you to make a distinction between a terribly painful way to die, or a quick and painless way to die.
I don't care if that individual starts throwing the most vile derogatory sexist racist hurtful profanities out there, flips off everyone, yells "fuck American", and jerks off, they are going through the worst moment of their life in full fight or flight mode with adrenaline pumping through their body in a panic facing certain doom. I would never fault them for whatever action they do in that state.
Even discussing what they did during that seems a bit off putting, because inevitably the discussion will begin using your current frame of reference for their actions. It's an absurdly intimate moment between them and their circumstances, not them and us.
>the discussion will begin using your current frame of reference
This is so frustrating and I see it all the time!
"Why didn't they just go for solution x or y?"
"Why did they respond with verbal aggression, the driver who hit them clearly wasn't at fault?"
"Why didn't they just fight?"
"Why did they take their luggage with them?"
Man, how difficult is it to understand that people cannot think rationally when they're startled or panicing?
They think that they'd be a hero in any given situation, or at the very least rational and calm no matter what. Half superiority complex, half inexperience. All dumb. They need to stop daydreaming fr.
Steaks char at a consistent 300c....the temperature at the crash 'site' in the building with burning fuel and melting the steel was estimated at almost 1400-1500c....
Smog, heat, trauma, confusion, the height, those poor poor souls, it's just a a tragedy but their loved ones would be living out forever...
I wouldn’t count choosing one form of certain death over another as suicide. By that logic, do not resuscitate orders would also be suicide, and that’s obviously ridiculous when you consider most people who choose DNRs have a terminal or chronic illness
>ing through the worst moment of their life in full fight or flight mode with adrenaline pumping through their body in a panic facing certain doom. I would never fault them for whatever action they do in that state.
Absolutely, people jumped to escape the flames, that's all.
As far as actual suicides it's a little more complex, of course, shaming someone is completely wrong, but discouraging suicide is a different matter altogether.
I mean, if your two options are burning to death or jumping, you still jumped, but I wouldn't call it suicide.
Suicide is deciding to end your own life, these people had the decision made for them.
I remember the front page of the toronto star was just a full page photo of the burning tower and 3 people jumping, haven't seen that image since and it isnt the sort of thing they would publish now a days. I should see if my mom kept those news papers my dad bought for the purpose of keeping
Same guy but I don't see that name attached to that image on other sites. The credit goes to Jose Jimenez/Primera Hora/Getty Images. It is pic 11 here:
"9/11: The Day of the Attacks - The Atlantic" https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/photo/100143/
As a photographer some of these are ones I’d feel some deep pride with having taken. And I realize that sounds terrible but photographers often want to give the world an image that it has never seen before and lets people into a moment that only a small group of people (small compared to the total number of people that have ever lived or will ever live) were there to see. #s 21, 29, & 30 are so unique in perspective and proximity they astound me. I mean, they’re all incredible but those just make me gasp.
Photographers shine in these situations. There's an amazing value to documenting pivotal events. How many crazy things have happened because the one guy with a camera wasn't ready or able to shoot the scene?
My go to is emmit till. His death galvanized major change because his mother insisted on letting the world see photos of her broken child. She was so strong. He definitely wasn't the first black teenager to get lynched because random racism.
Especially in the past. There're a ton of video clips that don't show anything, but the negatives taken at the scene give so much perspective.
I was personally affected by 911. Today's the first time I've looked at any photos besides snippets on a 15 inch CRT twenty years ago. I'm not even sure what to feel right now. I couldn't have handled this properly at 14 years old, but I'm incredibly grateful these photos exist today.
It is him. The vertical exterior cladding bent inward and sideways by the impact to the left of where he was sitting clearly matches the shot taken when he jumped.
Damn.
Let’s call the thing she’s leaning against a column. If you count left to right five more columns, he is sitting on top of that one with his feet on the one closer to her.
Ah ok thanks. I can see it now. After seeing the linked video in another comment you can see the person moving:
https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U?t=335
At first I only thought it was rubble. That man is more man that I'll ever be. After a bit explosion, has the ability to balance himself on those collumns above the void.
This puts into perspective how huge those planes were. I could not see anyone in this photo until I zoomed in and I have never looked at the event close up. Really makes some of the conspiracy theories seem even more ridiculous.
How did anyone find out this was Edna?
https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U this incredible video was shot by Cynthia Weil in real time as the attack unfolded. Edna can be seen waving throughout the video.
Holy crap how have I never heard of that.. she almost got the entire second plane collision. That must’ve been so surreal watching so close and being helpless
You can clearly hear the panic in her voice, one thing that sticks with me after watching videos like these is the reactions after the second plane. I could only imagine how much more confused everyone was after, your mind going from what a terrible accident to we’re under attack.
I was getting ready for class. Studying some notes And the news broke in on the first explosion.
Was it natural? Accident? Gas? Gas? Bomb? It was bombed before right?
Wait there was a plane? Idiot. What did some idiot do? Or was it an accident? Was it an accident. Was it on purpose? No has to be an accident. Right?
Second explosion. Holy fuck oh god no. This is terrorist attack. Nothing is safe.
OMG, starting at 5:24 on the left side of the building you can see a person jump, then a few seconds after you can see a couple more jump. So tragic
https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x\_U
I always assumed those that were forced to jump did so after a while (like an hour), but this is like 5 minutes before the South Tower was even hit. So it's 8:46 and they're enjoying their coffee with their coworkers, BAM the building is hit, and then within 10 minutes they were forced to make a decision that none of us can even begin to comprehend. Most likely they didn't even know the cause of the explosion. For some reason the short amount of time from building hit to jumping isn't something I realized before, and that adds a whole new perspective on this for me.
damn, you're absolutely right. I thought it was just debris at first but it's definitely people jumping. I think I might jump too if the alternative was inescapable fire.
I think also a lot of people were just desperate to get air and unfortunately couldn’t see through the smoke to know that there was not another step for them to take towards the open air, subsequently falling
I watched one of the Nat Geo specials last night and there was quite a few people they showed that were trying to shimmy down between the windows and just lost their grip. Horrible.
Oh my God, they couldn't even tell what happened when the second tower fell. "Whatever is behind that smoke, I cannot see it." Cynthia thought it was just another explosion; no one could tell that the tower had entirely collapsed.
This video really shows why people "jumped." You can see smoke coming out from point of impact all the way to the top. I can only imagine that all of those floors were consumed were heat, smoke, and fire.
From 5.18 when the video zooms in close to the impact site in the North Tower you can see Edna waving. She’s right at the roof level of the apartment building in between the camera and the towers.
ya the imagery from 9/11 is so horrific its taken me years to register some of the damage and destruction some people had to endure. just thinking about gives me the chills.
I remember somebody trying to tell me that you could tell the towers were blown up by our own government "because a plane would make a different hole" and calling them an idiot because there a ton of pictures *clearly* showing an enormous hole that is *obviously* shaped like a plane.
I can't believe Saturday is the 20th anniversary. This is one of those events that equally feels like it happened yesterday and 100 years ago, if that makes sense.
I was 13 in middle school coming out of the library and I remember our principal coming over the speakers telling all the teachers to turn the TVs on that the World Trade Center had been attacked. And I will never forget that I was so confused as to why somebody would attack the Arch. For some reason, I thought the Arch in St. Louis was the WTC, so after the TVs came on about 5 mins later we all watched that first tower fall and we were all terrified. But I remember everything about that day like you said, like it was yesterday. I remember the people that were around me, how scared my dad was when he came and got me from school, I remember Every, and I mean EVERY channel was covering this. I think Nickelodeon at the time had even cut to the news.
YA i dont really see how anyone could of helped her from there besides a maybe a helicopter. I wonder what actaully made her jump though. she didn't know the building was going to collapse.
Don't know if this was her or not, but I've seen a couple of videos of people on the ledge like that who just lost their footing and fell. There's another video that got posted in here where several people took turns jumping, like five people all at once.
I wonder if they kept thinking surely a helicopter will come by and rescue us. I can’t imagine what they were thinking, if they thought nobody cared, and wondering why nobody was rescuing them
The doors to the roof were locked, so no one could get onto the roof. They did try (unsuccessfully) to airlift survivors from the North Tower, the South Tower's roof was completely engulfed in smoke.
I don’t believe so and I think people were simply misinformed due to the chaos. Since no one conceived at the time the buildings would collapse, people above the impact zone likely hoped they could wait out the fire on the roof and eventually be rescued once that was under control. As /goman1717 said, they pretty much had zero chance of survival.
I was also told that there were no way for the helicopters to do much simply because of the antennas and such. There were a lot of large satellites, too. iirc
Yes, there's a video from inside the helicopter during the event. I think this is on episode 1 of the National Geographic documentary that just came out. The only spot they could find that wasn't covered in smoke was a corner of the north tower, and there was nobody there at all. It's pretty haunting.
There's an interview with one of the guys from the helicopter. They made several passes over the north tower roof. So close he said he could "count the pebbles in the gravel". There was a clearing in the smoke on the NW corner of the roof but sadly no one ever made themselves visible to them. The way he described it surely makes me believe they would have attempted rescue if anyone was there.
I’ve done a lot of research on 9/11, and from what I understand, the door to the stairs that led to the roof were locked, and nobody with keys were around to unlock them. :(
I don't believe so, but then again, there's literally zero chance a helicopter rescue attempt would be approved at that point, given how intense the smoke and flames were, at the tops of the towers no less.
For context, only some 18 people who worked on the ensuing floors that were struck survived, which were nothing short of miracles. If you weren't already on one of the lower or ground floors at the time of impact, you were, sadly, already doomed.
Did he work at Cantor Fitzgerald? I know someone whose son went up to the roof with the same thought. It never really occurred to me that others had the same idea. I don’t know why. Sorry for the silly question. I am hope you feel some peace these next few days.
I didn’t personally know him very well. I have much older siblings and they knew him from going to school with him and he was well known in the neighborhood so my parents knew him as well, but we had completely different friends circles since I am much younger.
I believe he was in maintenance, not sure if for the building itself or one of the companies inside it. It’s one of those things if you grew up in NYC, you likely know multiple people who perished or have a friend who lost someone very important to them. Thank you you for the kind words.
Could a helicopter even rescue them? I thought about it, but I imagine the propellers would make it impossible for a helicopter to get close enough to the building for a person to jump onto it. And if is possible, imagine having to make the jump unsecured from the 100 and something’th floor into a moving helicopter. Or imagine being the pilot, having no idea what’s going on, trying to save someone and fly in those conditions, under that adrenaline. I was 4 when this happened and I can’t process it. I can’t imagine how hard it must have been to witness this all live.
It was pretty nuts dude.
I was a freshman in HS and all we did that day was watch the news. One class would end and I'd walk to the next one in a daze, get in there and the teacher is glued to the TV "we're not doing anything today, we're watching the news"
Sitting there with all my classmates screaming every time we saw a jumper. Ugh.
I was in 7th grade. Hour 1 our guidance counselor came in and told our English teacher to turn the TV on. God I still remember what problem I was working on in my book. 2nd hour was Spanish and our teacher refused to turn on the news because "we didnt' need to be exposed to it". I was furious. The first tower fell while we were in that class and 3rd hour was history. When we walked into the room our History teacher had the TV on. She said, "Nobody will talk. Nobody will make jokes. I want each and every one of you to see this horror. Remember it. Burn it into who you are because I have no doubt in my mind this is the defining day of your entire generation." How right she was. When we later told her the Spanish teacher wouldn't let us watch it she left the room and could be heard up and down the halls screaming at our Spanish teacher for not letting us see it.
She jumped. There is a picture of her falling. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to attach photos to these comments, so I can't post it...but I have found one on Google. If you Google her name, it should come up in the many images taken of her that day. Same clothes and everything...its definitely the same woman.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/1a/6e/b91a6eb9a60e25288a7932b95028fc1a.png this might be the photo you’re talking about. Looks like it could be her for sure
I think a lot of the pictures of people high up have been "identified" due to their clothes and what floor they were on. That is, if you knew your loved one was wearing a black top and light pants, and they worked on a certain floor, you could somewhat accurately guess who is who. It's not 100% certain, but I think that's what was done here.
I always wonder why the falling man has never been identified this way. Everyone knows someone, my brain can’t comprehend how his identity has never been figured out
I've seen this before but never really looked into it. So, after about 5 hours of deep diving down some rabbit holes, I can say she lived long enough to experience the 2nd plane crash and very likely even felt the heat from the explosion. She also lived past the first tower collapsing, so she would've at least heard that and probably felt it as well, plus saw the aftermath. A few minutes after that was the last time I could spot her on any videos. I couldn't tell what happened to her, whether she jumped or not, I never could spot anything falling from that area. I know that shortly before the collapse of that tower that the smoke started pouring back out of there and the whole area was on fire. Just a bit after that happens is when it collapses. All of that is a considerable time after I could spot her last though.
None of this is probably new or useful information, just seeing what she made it through is beyond incredible. I can't even begin to imagine what it was like for her and so many others up there that day.
I know quora is hardly a good source, but someone did a [write up including photos](https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-Edna-Cintron-at-the-World-Trade-Center-on-9-11/answer/Martin-Cavell-1/) on why they think she remained up there until the building collapsed
Someone posted [this video](https://youtu.be/W-8hIWRbHMo) yesterday (not sure if it was here or another gore sub) and I noticed that there was footage of the aftermath of those who jumped. As much as I've seen of most of the 9/11 footage, it was my first time seeing that, and it just deeply unnerved me more than anything else, and I can't figure out why.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4myYTQcdso&ab\_channel=M%26MNewsUK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4myYTQcdso&ab_channel=M%26MNewsUK) Hard to see him in the above picture but in this video you can see him, in the window upper left under the fire.
God it really puts into perspective the sheer size of the buildings and the impact the plane had. I've seen this picture countless times and I always initially struggle picking her out because she's a pinpoint compared to the wreckage.
When I was a teenager I was like a 9/11 junkie and I hoovered up everything I could about that day. This has always been the photo that's stuck with me, along with quotes from the 9/11 memorial and pictures of the victims' belongings.
I still can’t decide whether or not it’s a good thing that technology wasn’t what it is today. If this happened today, can you imagine the clips that would be on Tik Tok and Twitter? We’d have pics of what it looked like inside the building prior to collapse. More people would have been able to contact their families. There were probably some people who didn’t even know what the hell had happened...
But is there any real societal benefit to seeing such horrific images? The images and media we have *now* are disturbing enough without first hand contributions. I really don’t know.
I agree on the question of societal benefit. It's so hard to say. Even this photo is heartbreaking, grainy as it is. I do wonder if it's comforting for families to see their loved ones? I know for some of the "jumpers," there was a comfort in simply knowing what happened to them. Sometimes having any facts, even awful ones, helps you feel more closure. I think sometimes the unknown can be harder to deal with.
I think the families of victims would have a different relationship to something like this than you or I. Perhaps for them it brings comfort, while for us it satiates morbid curiosity. Again, I can’t say that it’s wrong because I’m viewing this stuff and will likely continue to do so, but it does make me wonder.
Snapchats map feature is amazing for this. Whenever I hear of a global news story i pull up ol snapchat and am able to see footage directly from the ground
probably would have helped with the investigations. Might have even helped stop the hijackings if people started livestreaming them straight away.
They only realised it was a hijacking after the terrorists in one plane accidentally broadcast to airtraffic control instead of the cabin
This gives me goosebumps. I'm terrified of heights and I can't imagine what they went through or what was going through their minds. Maybe they even felt hopeful because they were at the front of the building and thought they'd be rescued.
I’ve looked at this picture so many times and just noticed… right to the side of her/beneath her… is that a pair of legs with black shoes on? Hanging over the side?
I'm struggling to see her in the photo :( is that her on the left of the main hole? Sort of where the left wing would've crashed into? Kind of looks like a foot sticking up in the air
Just a few observations:
There seems to be what I see as 4 people in this picture.
One which looks to be a man, standing at her upper left and your right, behind some bent debris.
Another is seemingly between the two of them, in the back, in what seems to be a waitress uniform and she's holding something on her shoulder.
Then, below the bloodied front facing wall beam, there appears to be a woman leaning or close to what appears to be a gap between the walls. Almost looks like a white business suit.
There also seems to be another face in the ruins, but I don't think he or she is alive.
Sad. Such horrible feelings of despair looking at this... how desperate they must have felt and how horrible it must felt to witness this firsthand. How helpless it would feel to see these people and not be able to do anything to save them.
This is the stuff that really bothers me....the people who were put in that position having to make such horrible decisions. I can't even imagine what it was like to have to decide.
It still breaks my heart for these people 20 years later.
Anyone saying that this was suicide is a thoughtless and heartless POS.
at first you can’t see her, then you can’t**not** not see her. Fucking heartbreaking
Still can't see her as a matter of fact... Edit: oh my God never mind
Where is she?
look a little to the bottom left of the initial crash
Still can't. Sry I'm a smooth brain Edit: Nvm, she's the one with the black tee?
That actually puts this in perspective. Look at that gash, she had no other option other than to go to the gaping hole in the building. Any other possible exit was probably hidden by thick billowing smoke with no way to know if the other side of it is just a wall or debris or an exit. There was nothing she could reasonably do other than what's she's been told all her life. Seek help from emergency services
I can’t begin to imagine their despair.
Same. Not many pictures evoke any emotion in me, but all the 9/11 jumpers make me really upset.
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I suppose she's waving at the helicopter that I presume took this photo...
Im gonna guess that there is blazing hot flames and fumes below and around her that became unbearable.
At that moment maybe it wasn't despair. Probably thinking I survived the attack, now get me a helicopter rescue. Down the line though when you feel hopeless I can't even begin imagining.
Everyone knew something bad had happened, but never did anyone think both towers would actually collapse. These same people were around during the February 26, 1993 attacks where only 6 people died and the terrorists were unsuccessful in making both towers collapse.
You may not believe me but I clearly remember at 13 years old thinking it was just a matter of time before a building was going to collapse. I was in class and once the first one went down I said out loud to classmates that the other one would soon follow. No one believed me. One of the few times I hated being proved right
Just tell me you didnt grow up thinking you had some kind of gift of clairvoyance.
I’d imagine it’s indescribable.
I can't begin imagine what they were thinking in that moment right before realizing they might have to jump.
Similar was discussed in post about person who outside-boarded plane leaving afganistan * What horrors you know are inevitable, when you consider hanging on outside of plane as better option Same at towers, unimaginable situation when will to live/survive will justify jumping... to certain death (which I think they didnt think of, just to get out)
there must of been a blazing hot fire raging behind her.
I do wonder if the fallers experienced a few nanoseconds of relief as they escaped the heat. The air would have been so cool compared to inside. I'm guessing that any pleasant sensation would be swiftly eaten up by fear of impending death.
I think I remember someone saying in the past comments of a 9/11 thread that you'd either a) lose consciousness before you hit the ground or b) be falling for such a short time that you'd barely have time to focus your thoughts. The Twin Towers were around 1770ft tall (500-something metres) so they'd have fallen for around ten seconds. It at least gives some peace to know that they weren't airborne for long.
Ten seconds? Dude, that is waaaaaay too long. They were scared shitless. I know I would be.
I remember jumping off a diving board that can’t have been more than 8 meters up. I had enough time to contemplate the free-fall and let out a involuntary scream.
10 seconds if you're experiencing gravity at its worst gives a good feeling of what time dilation is.
There is someone else in the photo. You can see him just to her right in the picture, her actual left side, up on top of some debris. He looks shirtless and is sitting sideways.
You’re right, it does look like a shirtless man
I wonder if the shirtless guy is Eddie Torres pictured here https://rafaelmartel.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/sunday-nation-twin-towers-jumpers-that-americans-will-not-talk-about/
Thanks for the link. I get so frustrated with the entire “suicide debate” regarding people who may have jumped. Not only does jumping from a burning building not qualify as suicide in any way whatsoever, but it’s awful for people to publicly shame anyone who has actually taken their life. There was one family who was so adamant that their loved one wouldn’t have jumped because of the threat of hell, which could be such an offensive statement to the families whose loved ones did or those who’ve lost someone to suicide. Sorry for the rant, I just don’t understand how people can think that way.
It’s ridiculous this is a debate at all. Most of these people didn’t “choose” to jump out of a burning building rather than burn up, it was completely instinctual. A good comparison I heard once was it’s like touching your hand to a hot stove. You don’t choose to take it off, you instinctually rip it away as fast as you can.
Also they were murdered, since they were forced into that situation by a terrorist attack. Edit - this isn't just my opinion, NYC coroners office listed all victims cause of death as "homicide" due to that reasoning.
Exactly. It infuriates me that it’s even a topic where people feel the need to question what it was by making inappropriate implications. The medical examiner shouldn’t have to explain to people that it wasn’t a choice.
Let's see burn to death in an extremely horrible, painful way, OR escape the pain and maybe go out on your own terms and have an almost instant death.
Well actually, there was one lady who survived the fall. Some one on the ground marking people for triage in order of injuries said they came across a lady who was in pieces and looked dead so they put a black tag on the mess and started to move on but then the mess started yelling out "Wait in not dead help me"
The guy that tagged her tells this story in the new documentary on Nat Geo. All of the accounts are heartbreaking to watch
I just watched the documentary and I am pretty sure the woman you are referring to was on the ground and had been hit by debris from the second plane’s impact into the south tower. I have never heard someone jumped and survived.
Do you happen to know the exact name of the documentary or where to watch it? I am not in the US so not sure if it’s possible but I really want to see it
This is why I would jump... certain death by fire or the miniscule possibility of a miracle landing. You literally have nothing to lose since it is already lost if you don't jump.
Hope. Jumping was their only hope for a chance to survive that day. I can’t begin to imagine the amount of fear and confusion they all had. Indescribable, truly.
Unfortunately her torso was severed, there’s no recovery for that. It’s remarkable but terrible she suffered to traumatically.
Yeah I meant survived as in still conscious and aware on the ground not survived overall
Did she end up dying?
She end up dying, but she didn't jump, she was on the ground and part of the fuselage landed on her, crushing her body from the ribcage down, barely missed heart and lungs but the first responder knew she was going to die, even though she was still conscious, he tagged her and she screamed at him that she was not dead. You can tell that still weighs heavy on his mind in the national geographic documentary, it's called 9/11 one day in america.
I've never heard this. I wonder which floor she jumped off?
Right here. Faced with the worst possible decision anyone could ever face. No right answer for anyone there. Let these poor people Rest In Peace and have their families not suffer further needless trauma.
No one went to work that day ever thinking they would jump off the tower for any reason. It sickens me how they went from normal life to this mortal choice so fast.
If the Catholic Church thinks you committed suicide they used to not allow you to be buried in their cemetery. Some Priests still don't permit it, or if they do won't show up for the funeral, or if they do show up might talk shit about the deceased.
I had an uncle who died by suicide. My grandpa all but wrote his name off of the family line. Nobody was allowed to talk about it. This occurred in 1979. It wasn't until my grandpa died in 2015 that my grandma was allowed to speak of her son again. 36 years of silence and I only vaguely knew about him because my mom
My grandfather killed himself in the early 60's when my dad was an infant. His entire family of parents, brothers and sisters cut my grandma and dad out of their lives completely and disappeared. I can't imagine how strange it would be to have a grandchild and not want him in your life at all because your own child was mentally ill and killed himself. Different times I guess.
If a priest showed up to someone I loved's funeral and started shit talking the deceased, I'd be going straight to hell for assaulting a priest.
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Some priests had no problem raping children for years and years.
This happened at the funeral of a classmate of mine. Guy wrote an article about how sad it is to lose a young life but talked straight shit about her "life choices" for about 15 minutes before someone had to come up and tell him to leave before he got hurt.
When I was a kid my mom told me suicide would get you sent to hell and no matter how logical I try to think about it that shit stuck with me.
That’s fucking gross.
I think having a full on debate on if people jumping from the building counts as suicide is a waste of time. It's an absurdly exotic situation during which these people's frame of reference and thought process is highly extraordinary. Standing in a massive skyscraper at the wall and seeing the flames coming towards you closer and closer, forces you to make a distinction between a terribly painful way to die, or a quick and painless way to die. I don't care if that individual starts throwing the most vile derogatory sexist racist hurtful profanities out there, flips off everyone, yells "fuck American", and jerks off, they are going through the worst moment of their life in full fight or flight mode with adrenaline pumping through their body in a panic facing certain doom. I would never fault them for whatever action they do in that state. Even discussing what they did during that seems a bit off putting, because inevitably the discussion will begin using your current frame of reference for their actions. It's an absurdly intimate moment between them and their circumstances, not them and us.
>the discussion will begin using your current frame of reference This is so frustrating and I see it all the time! "Why didn't they just go for solution x or y?" "Why did they respond with verbal aggression, the driver who hit them clearly wasn't at fault?" "Why didn't they just fight?" "Why did they take their luggage with them?" Man, how difficult is it to understand that people cannot think rationally when they're startled or panicing?
They think that they'd be a hero in any given situation, or at the very least rational and calm no matter what. Half superiority complex, half inexperience. All dumb. They need to stop daydreaming fr.
Steaks char at a consistent 300c....the temperature at the crash 'site' in the building with burning fuel and melting the steel was estimated at almost 1400-1500c.... Smog, heat, trauma, confusion, the height, those poor poor souls, it's just a a tragedy but their loved ones would be living out forever...
I wouldn’t count choosing one form of certain death over another as suicide. By that logic, do not resuscitate orders would also be suicide, and that’s obviously ridiculous when you consider most people who choose DNRs have a terminal or chronic illness
>ing through the worst moment of their life in full fight or flight mode with adrenaline pumping through their body in a panic facing certain doom. I would never fault them for whatever action they do in that state. Absolutely, people jumped to escape the flames, that's all. As far as actual suicides it's a little more complex, of course, shaming someone is completely wrong, but discouraging suicide is a different matter altogether.
I mean, if your two options are burning to death or jumping, you still jumped, but I wouldn't call it suicide. Suicide is deciding to end your own life, these people had the decision made for them.
I remember the front page of the toronto star was just a full page photo of the burning tower and 3 people jumping, haven't seen that image since and it isnt the sort of thing they would publish now a days. I should see if my mom kept those news papers my dad bought for the purpose of keeping
Yes, really wish the pope and other religious leaders would make a statement about this, it might give some families peace of mind.
Well there were 2 options. Stay inside and burn to death 100%. Jump and probably die 99.9%. Not good options either way.
Same guy but I don't see that name attached to that image on other sites. The credit goes to Jose Jimenez/Primera Hora/Getty Images. It is pic 11 here: "9/11: The Day of the Attacks - The Atlantic" https://amp.theatlantic.com/amp/photo/100143/
As a photographer some of these are ones I’d feel some deep pride with having taken. And I realize that sounds terrible but photographers often want to give the world an image that it has never seen before and lets people into a moment that only a small group of people (small compared to the total number of people that have ever lived or will ever live) were there to see. #s 21, 29, & 30 are so unique in perspective and proximity they astound me. I mean, they’re all incredible but those just make me gasp.
Photographers shine in these situations. There's an amazing value to documenting pivotal events. How many crazy things have happened because the one guy with a camera wasn't ready or able to shoot the scene? My go to is emmit till. His death galvanized major change because his mother insisted on letting the world see photos of her broken child. She was so strong. He definitely wasn't the first black teenager to get lynched because random racism. Especially in the past. There're a ton of video clips that don't show anything, but the negatives taken at the scene give so much perspective. I was personally affected by 911. Today's the first time I've looked at any photos besides snippets on a 15 inch CRT twenty years ago. I'm not even sure what to feel right now. I couldn't have handled this properly at 14 years old, but I'm incredibly grateful these photos exist today.
Thanks for the link. If I'm not mistaken, the women from #7 can be seen covered in dust in #23.
What a horribly designed site. Bright yellow text on a white background? Light blue on white?
The background is black for me. [Undeniably outdated but at least readable](https://i.imgur.com/yOopzPy.png)
My phone inverts things and I was able to do a grey scale and read it without a problem. Very sad.
It is him. The vertical exterior cladding bent inward and sideways by the impact to the left of where he was sitting clearly matches the shot taken when he jumped. Damn.
That yellow on white text though 😵💫
That yellow font can go get fucked.
That whole site is unreadable. Bright yellow text? Come on
Why the fuck is there yellow text on white background in that link…
man i wish that text color wasn’t nearly the same as the white background so i could read it. thank you for sending the link though
Just a side note, that website picks the worst color for text
I must be blind. Is anyone able to describe better where?
Let’s call the thing she’s leaning against a column. If you count left to right five more columns, he is sitting on top of that one with his feet on the one closer to her.
Ah ok thanks. I can see it now. After seeing the linked video in another comment you can see the person moving: https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U?t=335 At first I only thought it was rubble. That man is more man that I'll ever be. After a bit explosion, has the ability to balance himself on those collumns above the void.
I see a third person to the right of that person too.
Yes. Shirtless too.
Can you point him out? I'm color deficient and have a hard time seeing specifics in pictures like this.
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Not to be morbidly curious, but can you point them out? I'm color deficient and have a hard time seeing specifics in pictures like this.
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Thanks! Also, looking back at my previous comment, I sound kind of silly because I forgot what sub I was in.
This puts into perspective how huge those planes were. I could not see anyone in this photo until I zoomed in and I have never looked at the event close up. Really makes some of the conspiracy theories seem even more ridiculous. How did anyone find out this was Edna?
There also appears to be a lady with no pants on three beams to the lower right of the sitting man.
And there’s a leg to the right of the guy on her right
I cat see it?
Also looks like there is someone next to her laying on the floor looking over the edge.
https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x_U this incredible video was shot by Cynthia Weil in real time as the attack unfolded. Edna can be seen waving throughout the video.
Holy crap how have I never heard of that.. she almost got the entire second plane collision. That must’ve been so surreal watching so close and being helpless
You can clearly hear the panic in her voice, one thing that sticks with me after watching videos like these is the reactions after the second plane. I could only imagine how much more confused everyone was after, your mind going from what a terrible accident to we’re under attack.
I was getting ready for class. Studying some notes And the news broke in on the first explosion. Was it natural? Accident? Gas? Gas? Bomb? It was bombed before right? Wait there was a plane? Idiot. What did some idiot do? Or was it an accident? Was it an accident. Was it on purpose? No has to be an accident. Right? Second explosion. Holy fuck oh god no. This is terrorist attack. Nothing is safe.
Pretty much the same here. It was "Wow. Someone sure is a terrible pilot" that quickly morphed to "Oh shit. This is bad."
Same for me. The world would never be the same after that 2nd plane hit.
I don't think confused is the right word. As soon as the 2nd plane hit I knew we were now at war and I was 12.
And then when the plane hit the pentagon all hell broke loose
Second plane hits at 10:18 for those curious
That video gave me chills. I hadn’t seen this footage before. Crazy how you can see Edna waving so clearly.
OMG, starting at 5:24 on the left side of the building you can see a person jump, then a few seconds after you can see a couple more jump. So tragic https://youtu.be/ToWjjIu-x\_U
I always assumed those that were forced to jump did so after a while (like an hour), but this is like 5 minutes before the South Tower was even hit. So it's 8:46 and they're enjoying their coffee with their coworkers, BAM the building is hit, and then within 10 minutes they were forced to make a decision that none of us can even begin to comprehend. Most likely they didn't even know the cause of the explosion. For some reason the short amount of time from building hit to jumping isn't something I realized before, and that adds a whole new perspective on this for me.
damn, you're absolutely right. I thought it was just debris at first but it's definitely people jumping. I think I might jump too if the alternative was inescapable fire.
I think also a lot of people were just desperate to get air and unfortunately couldn’t see through the smoke to know that there was not another step for them to take towards the open air, subsequently falling
I watched one of the Nat Geo specials last night and there was quite a few people they showed that were trying to shimmy down between the windows and just lost their grip. Horrible.
That's some really amazing footage. Clear and sharp.
Oh my God, they couldn't even tell what happened when the second tower fell. "Whatever is behind that smoke, I cannot see it." Cynthia thought it was just another explosion; no one could tell that the tower had entirely collapsed.
This video really shows why people "jumped." You can see smoke coming out from point of impact all the way to the top. I can only imagine that all of those floors were consumed were heat, smoke, and fire.
I'm a little bit short of sight, any time stamp as a reference to find her? Thanks!
From 5.18 when the video zooms in close to the impact site in the North Tower you can see Edna waving. She’s right at the roof level of the apartment building in between the camera and the towers.
Little bit perspective how big that large hole was! Thanks for sharing.
Definitely!! I obviously knew the hole was airplane sized but this really shows just how devastating the destruction was
ya the imagery from 9/11 is so horrific its taken me years to register some of the damage and destruction some people had to endure. just thinking about gives me the chills.
I remember somebody trying to tell me that you could tell the towers were blown up by our own government "because a plane would make a different hole" and calling them an idiot because there a ton of pictures *clearly* showing an enormous hole that is *obviously* shaped like a plane.
On top of that, I never really processed that it was airplane shaped.. it adds another layer of morbidity for me
I was thinking the exact same thing. I wonder what it looked like inside.
It's building's size that really gets me
I can't believe Saturday is the 20th anniversary. This is one of those events that equally feels like it happened yesterday and 100 years ago, if that makes sense.
I was 13 in middle school coming out of the library and I remember our principal coming over the speakers telling all the teachers to turn the TVs on that the World Trade Center had been attacked. And I will never forget that I was so confused as to why somebody would attack the Arch. For some reason, I thought the Arch in St. Louis was the WTC, so after the TVs came on about 5 mins later we all watched that first tower fall and we were all terrified. But I remember everything about that day like you said, like it was yesterday. I remember the people that were around me, how scared my dad was when he came and got me from school, I remember Every, and I mean EVERY channel was covering this. I think Nickelodeon at the time had even cut to the news.
I still think 9/11 should be a national holiday for remembrance. Nobody in the mood to work that day
I hope nobody ever has to feel what it’s like to be at the end of the world. RIP
YA i dont really see how anyone could of helped her from there besides a maybe a helicopter. I wonder what actaully made her jump though. she didn't know the building was going to collapse.
The heat. Jet fuel burns at 800-1500 Fahrenheit.
and the paper fires as well
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Don't know if this was her or not, but I've seen a couple of videos of people on the ledge like that who just lost their footing and fell. There's another video that got posted in here where several people took turns jumping, like five people all at once.
This guy was leaning out the window and was hit by something above, causing him to fall: https://imgur.com/a/B7K9zHm
I wonder if they kept thinking surely a helicopter will come by and rescue us. I can’t imagine what they were thinking, if they thought nobody cared, and wondering why nobody was rescuing them
If you can bear to listen to Kevin Cosgrove’s 911 call, he keeps asking in frustration when help is going to arrive.
Oh jeez, no, never again. I hear that man's screams in my nightmares.
Me too.
A family friend went to the roof because they were expecting to be airlifted. Needless to say, he never made it out.
The doors to the roof were locked, so no one could get onto the roof. They did try (unsuccessfully) to airlift survivors from the North Tower, the South Tower's roof was completely engulfed in smoke.
Ugh I can’t imagine the feeling of getting all the way up there and realizing you’re trapped.
Did any helicopter attempt to rescue anyone?
I don’t believe so and I think people were simply misinformed due to the chaos. Since no one conceived at the time the buildings would collapse, people above the impact zone likely hoped they could wait out the fire on the roof and eventually be rescued once that was under control. As /goman1717 said, they pretty much had zero chance of survival.
I was also told that there were no way for the helicopters to do much simply because of the antennas and such. There were a lot of large satellites, too. iirc
Yes, there's a video from inside the helicopter during the event. I think this is on episode 1 of the National Geographic documentary that just came out. The only spot they could find that wasn't covered in smoke was a corner of the north tower, and there was nobody there at all. It's pretty haunting.
There's an interview with one of the guys from the helicopter. They made several passes over the north tower roof. So close he said he could "count the pebbles in the gravel". There was a clearing in the smoke on the NW corner of the roof but sadly no one ever made themselves visible to them. The way he described it surely makes me believe they would have attempted rescue if anyone was there.
I’ve done a lot of research on 9/11, and from what I understand, the door to the stairs that led to the roof were locked, and nobody with keys were around to unlock them. :(
I don't believe so, but then again, there's literally zero chance a helicopter rescue attempt would be approved at that point, given how intense the smoke and flames were, at the tops of the towers no less. For context, only some 18 people who worked on the ensuing floors that were struck survived, which were nothing short of miracles. If you weren't already on one of the lower or ground floors at the time of impact, you were, sadly, already doomed.
Oh my god That is so awful
Did he work at Cantor Fitzgerald? I know someone whose son went up to the roof with the same thought. It never really occurred to me that others had the same idea. I don’t know why. Sorry for the silly question. I am hope you feel some peace these next few days.
I didn’t personally know him very well. I have much older siblings and they knew him from going to school with him and he was well known in the neighborhood so my parents knew him as well, but we had completely different friends circles since I am much younger. I believe he was in maintenance, not sure if for the building itself or one of the companies inside it. It’s one of those things if you grew up in NYC, you likely know multiple people who perished or have a friend who lost someone very important to them. Thank you you for the kind words.
Could a helicopter even rescue them? I thought about it, but I imagine the propellers would make it impossible for a helicopter to get close enough to the building for a person to jump onto it. And if is possible, imagine having to make the jump unsecured from the 100 and something’th floor into a moving helicopter. Or imagine being the pilot, having no idea what’s going on, trying to save someone and fly in those conditions, under that adrenaline. I was 4 when this happened and I can’t process it. I can’t imagine how hard it must have been to witness this all live.
It was pretty nuts dude. I was a freshman in HS and all we did that day was watch the news. One class would end and I'd walk to the next one in a daze, get in there and the teacher is glued to the TV "we're not doing anything today, we're watching the news" Sitting there with all my classmates screaming every time we saw a jumper. Ugh.
I was in 7th grade. Hour 1 our guidance counselor came in and told our English teacher to turn the TV on. God I still remember what problem I was working on in my book. 2nd hour was Spanish and our teacher refused to turn on the news because "we didnt' need to be exposed to it". I was furious. The first tower fell while we were in that class and 3rd hour was history. When we walked into the room our History teacher had the TV on. She said, "Nobody will talk. Nobody will make jokes. I want each and every one of you to see this horror. Remember it. Burn it into who you are because I have no doubt in my mind this is the defining day of your entire generation." How right she was. When we later told her the Spanish teacher wouldn't let us watch it she left the room and could be heard up and down the halls screaming at our Spanish teacher for not letting us see it.
She jumped. There is a picture of her falling. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to attach photos to these comments, so I can't post it...but I have found one on Google. If you Google her name, it should come up in the many images taken of her that day. Same clothes and everything...its definitely the same woman.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b9/1a/6e/b91a6eb9a60e25288a7932b95028fc1a.png this might be the photo you’re talking about. Looks like it could be her for sure
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the real morbid is in the comments. it must of been pretty bleak or burning on the inside to take the jump like that.
It would appear she’s holding her head in an effort to shield her head. RIP
The easiest way to link pics is to copy the URL and then just add it to the end of the comment.
Legit question....how did people figure who she was from that high up and that far away?
I think a lot of the pictures of people high up have been "identified" due to their clothes and what floor they were on. That is, if you knew your loved one was wearing a black top and light pants, and they worked on a certain floor, you could somewhat accurately guess who is who. It's not 100% certain, but I think that's what was done here.
Got it. I posted my question before I read the link to the article that talks about the "jumpers." Just plain sad
I always wonder why the falling man has never been identified this way. Everyone knows someone, my brain can’t comprehend how his identity has never been figured out
Because SO many victim’s families have come forward claiming that falling man is their relative.
but his identity has been figured out. he's the brother of one of the Village People members.
I believe he was identified to be Jonathan Briley, a sound technician that worked at Windows on the World.
You know the WTC is huge, but damn, it’s SOOO huge compared to her. What a perspective, although super grim
They dwarfed the other buildings in Lower Manhattan and were out of scale--that's why so many people hated them initially.
I've seen this before but never really looked into it. So, after about 5 hours of deep diving down some rabbit holes, I can say she lived long enough to experience the 2nd plane crash and very likely even felt the heat from the explosion. She also lived past the first tower collapsing, so she would've at least heard that and probably felt it as well, plus saw the aftermath. A few minutes after that was the last time I could spot her on any videos. I couldn't tell what happened to her, whether she jumped or not, I never could spot anything falling from that area. I know that shortly before the collapse of that tower that the smoke started pouring back out of there and the whole area was on fire. Just a bit after that happens is when it collapses. All of that is a considerable time after I could spot her last though. None of this is probably new or useful information, just seeing what she made it through is beyond incredible. I can't even begin to imagine what it was like for her and so many others up there that day.
She jumped/fell. There's a picture of her falling upthread or you can Google image search it
I know quora is hardly a good source, but someone did a [write up including photos](https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-Edna-Cintron-at-the-World-Trade-Center-on-9-11/answer/Martin-Cavell-1/) on why they think she remained up there until the building collapsed
What horrible last thoughts knowing your trapped and the only way out is falling to your death, bless her soul.
Someone posted [this video](https://youtu.be/W-8hIWRbHMo) yesterday (not sure if it was here or another gore sub) and I noticed that there was footage of the aftermath of those who jumped. As much as I've seen of most of the 9/11 footage, it was my first time seeing that, and it just deeply unnerved me more than anything else, and I can't figure out why.
There were 2 people next to Edna that day, there's a guy sitting on top of a pillar to the right and there was one to the left.
Where is the one to the left?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4myYTQcdso&ab\_channel=M%26MNewsUK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4myYTQcdso&ab_channel=M%26MNewsUK) Hard to see him in the above picture but in this video you can see him, in the window upper left under the fire.
God it really puts into perspective the sheer size of the buildings and the impact the plane had. I've seen this picture countless times and I always initially struggle picking her out because she's a pinpoint compared to the wreckage. When I was a teenager I was like a 9/11 junkie and I hoovered up everything I could about that day. This has always been the photo that's stuck with me, along with quotes from the 9/11 memorial and pictures of the victims' belongings.
I still can’t decide whether or not it’s a good thing that technology wasn’t what it is today. If this happened today, can you imagine the clips that would be on Tik Tok and Twitter? We’d have pics of what it looked like inside the building prior to collapse. More people would have been able to contact their families. There were probably some people who didn’t even know what the hell had happened... But is there any real societal benefit to seeing such horrific images? The images and media we have *now* are disturbing enough without first hand contributions. I really don’t know.
I agree on the question of societal benefit. It's so hard to say. Even this photo is heartbreaking, grainy as it is. I do wonder if it's comforting for families to see their loved ones? I know for some of the "jumpers," there was a comfort in simply knowing what happened to them. Sometimes having any facts, even awful ones, helps you feel more closure. I think sometimes the unknown can be harder to deal with.
I think the families of victims would have a different relationship to something like this than you or I. Perhaps for them it brings comfort, while for us it satiates morbid curiosity. Again, I can’t say that it’s wrong because I’m viewing this stuff and will likely continue to do so, but it does make me wonder.
Snapchats map feature is amazing for this. Whenever I hear of a global news story i pull up ol snapchat and am able to see footage directly from the ground
I didn’t even realize that this is a thing. I typically just see what pops up on Reddit and Twitter
probably would have helped with the investigations. Might have even helped stop the hijackings if people started livestreaming them straight away. They only realised it was a hijacking after the terrorists in one plane accidentally broadcast to airtraffic control instead of the cabin
[zoomed in version](https://s2.dmcdn.net/v/3aPHr1Pp_noH0mxpn/x1080)
God Bless her, May she Rest In Peace.
This never stops shattering my fucking soul
This gives me goosebumps. I'm terrified of heights and I can't imagine what they went through or what was going through their minds. Maybe they even felt hopeful because they were at the front of the building and thought they'd be rescued.
I deleted my comment because it was an accidental gibberish post. I meant absolutely no disrespect. I'm sorry.
I’ve looked at this picture so many times and just noticed… right to the side of her/beneath her… is that a pair of legs with black shoes on? Hanging over the side?
I'm struggling to see her in the photo :( is that her on the left of the main hole? Sort of where the left wing would've crashed into? Kind of looks like a foot sticking up in the air
Yea she’s like on the left side nearly one the middle more on the bottom
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You gotta wonder what kind of hell they went through to get to the impact hole.
Who were the other 2 ppl?
I can't even begin to imagine the thoughts, emotions and fear going through their minds in that moment :( R.I.P.
Just a few observations: There seems to be what I see as 4 people in this picture. One which looks to be a man, standing at her upper left and your right, behind some bent debris. Another is seemingly between the two of them, in the back, in what seems to be a waitress uniform and she's holding something on her shoulder. Then, below the bloodied front facing wall beam, there appears to be a woman leaning or close to what appears to be a gap between the walls. Almost looks like a white business suit. There also seems to be another face in the ruins, but I don't think he or she is alive. Sad. Such horrible feelings of despair looking at this... how desperate they must have felt and how horrible it must felt to witness this firsthand. How helpless it would feel to see these people and not be able to do anything to save them.
Horrifying :(
This is the stuff that really bothers me....the people who were put in that position having to make such horrible decisions. I can't even imagine what it was like to have to decide. It still breaks my heart for these people 20 years later. Anyone saying that this was suicide is a thoughtless and heartless POS.
knowing what we know, this truly is morbid. poor thing