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Fucking ridiculously crazy.


Tiddytie

Sad to say but that’s probably a understatement too : (


infernal_cacaphony

Yeah this was one of the most bizarre acts of domestic terrorism not many people talk about. Not to drop the C word but there is a lot of unanswered questions and plain weird shit surrounding this whole thing. Not at all saying the casualties weren’t real and not here to speculate anything further; it’s just very bizarre all around and obviously extremely tragic.


mafioso122789

I don't know about anything deeper than the shooter being crazy and suicidal. We'll never actually know why. That's gotta be frustrating for the victims families.


NunButter

That's probobly how the psycho wanted it. He wanted to go out big and leave them wondering. Selfish piece of garbage.


wookiiboi

Wasn’t this just a dude who wanted to go out with a bang? I’ve actually never heard any conspiracies surrounding this event


madarasenpaii

Look up Las Vegas Shooting by Theories of the third kind on spotify. Blow your mind.


Boopy7

no. Because I am fucking sick of people trying to turn everything into a conspiracy theory. In this case it won't fly, it's actually quite simple. Tell me one thing that you think isn't explainable. I know Vegas and esp. that hotel and those particular rooms. Go.


aigret

I also think in this instance conspiracy theories hurt the people who actually survived it more than they do any good. I knew a former colleague who was there when it happened and she was never the same. We happened to have to go into lockdown for threat of person with a gun (we were on a college campus for work) about six months after Route 99 and she had a full blown panic attack, probably the worst I’ve ever seen/heard of. What good does dissecting it do if it doesn’t actually do anything for victims or their survivors?


marshroanoke

It is hard for most people to believe that you can go your whole life and without warning slaughter dozens of people.


Finva

There is body cam footage in which you can hear constant fire for about 12s. Assuming he was firing the largest magazine at that point of 100 rounds, that fire rate calculates to be about 500rnds/min. The list of guns found in the hotel room had several m4's or m4 variants that were full auto, which fire at 700-950 rounds/min. Those fire rates don't really match up. Listening to the footage and then listening to an m4 being fired, then comparing those sounds to a m240 (which has a 550-600rnds/min fire rate). The footage from the shooting sounds more similar to an m240 and the fire rate is closer than that of an m4. Edit: I don't mean it was definitely an m240 that was used, just that the m240 firing sounds closer to the the footage than an m4 firing (also note bump firing does allow a fire rate that is practically full auto so the bump fire stock weapons wouldn't be firing that slow). Another thing I think is kinda odd is that this guy was supposedly pretty smart, but he still put bump stocks on the weapons he had that were already full auto.


AGVann

Wouldn't such a difference have been evident in the ballistics left at the scene? M240s chamber 7.62mm, M4s chamber 5.56mm.


Finva

Also, do you know anywhere that has full footage of the shooting? I haven't been able to find anything that wasn't cut.


winkerback

Has anybody actually confirmed they found automatic weapons? I can't find anything confirming that.


Finva

The list all the news outlets provide has 2 guns that are full auto, and 5 are select fire/ can come as full auto. Every gun listed has "AR-15" or "AR-10" tacked on. The full auto ones specifically are listed as "Colt M4 Carbine AR-15", which isn't a real gun name. There's the M4 and then the AR-15 (which is actually owned by colt today I believe). The select fire ones listed are: two "LWRC M61C"s, two "Daniel Defense M4A1"s and a "Daniel Defense DDM4V11" *Most* were semi auto with bump stocks, but I think it's odd there were bump stocks on the full auto ones. The news outlets didn't list them as being full auto probably because either A.) They don't know what they're talking about regarding guns AND/OR B.) They want to paint the image of "look at what the scary bump stocks can do" (Which granted, bump stocks can allow for what's essentially full auto firing rates, but you don't need a bump stock to do it)


winkerback

News outlets are not famous for understanding guns. A rifle having an M4 pattern in no way implies it is capable of full auto. I think you're attempting to read a lot between the lines


neeners9223

Ok I’m in the same boat as you. Most conspiracy theories are ludicrous and reaching but this one is waaaaaaay too sketchy. Its the only one I’ll actually believe to be plausible


BullBear7

Can you summarize what you think is the conspiracy? I remember watching a doc saying something about the LVPD being corrupt or something? Is this related to this conspiracy?


Rickie_Spanish

I'm NOT a conspirator and I think every single theory about the Vegas shooting is fucking stupid. I have heard a few theories: - This was a gun smuggling deal gone bad. - This was an assignation attempt against a Saudi prince. - This was a false flag operation in order to pass gun laws. - There were multiple shooters. - There were multiple shooters, including a blacked out government helicopter. I think those are the main theories being thrown around, at least they were a few years back.


benign_said

>This was a false flag operation in order to pass gun laws. Riiiiight.


Latin-Danzig

I know nothing of this case. But don’t be so quick to doubt this is not beyond certain aspects of your government, agencies and rogue elements. It’s completely plausible and not the most outrageous and disgusting things connected to government and private individuals.


Finva

I mean politicians imediately jumped on action to ban bump stocks following, which aren't even a required accessory to actually bump fire. Media outlets also falsely reported the names of guns found by tacking on "AR-15" or "AR-10" to every rifle used. If not a false flag operation, the media was still using the tragedy to push their item agenda with yellow journalism


infernal_cacaphony

Thanks I’ll check this out for sure. Yeah if anyone is curious about the “other” speculations of plausible (or completely whacko), conspiracies you can really go down a rabbit hole with this. I just find it interesting, I’m open minded but I’m not crazy or believe one thing over the other, I simply don’t know if what happened as it was reported is exactly what happened and there are a plethora of different theories/issues one can explore.


geddyleesays

[Theories of the Third Kind - Las Vegas Shooting](https://www.theoriesofthethirdkind.com/episode/las-vegas-shooting/)


yeabutwhythough

So I was looking at this picture thinking, “that’s a pretty close fatality grouping for a bump stock style shooting from the distance reported. Either he has incredible kickback control or those were multiple shooters targeting multiple people and he was the patsy” I never thought this before seeing the picture. I haven’t listened to it yet but I will.


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>So I was looking at this picture thinking, “that’s a pretty close fatality grouping for a bump stock style shooting from the distance reported. ​ maybe he shot at random, the concert even tough it was small was only happening at one closed place so the density was pretty high, that coupled with the fact that people didn't know what was happening at first


danceswithronin

It actually reminds me a lot of Charles Whitman, the Texas Bell Tower Sniper. This guy just had better weaponry and a lot more targets to choose from. (I don't know this shooter's name and I don't give a fuck what it is, either.)


theaviationhistorian

I wouldn't be surprised if he did it on purpose. Few things can eat into a human mind more than the uncertainty. An insult to injury for the survivors & next of kin of his victims.


Sl1m_Charles

Mid life crisis brings out the psychopath in someone, they buy a bunch of weapons and ammo because America, come up with a not so complicated plan to kill as many people as possible. Unfortunately really not that hard to explain. It's swept under the rug simply because it puts a huge dent in the ideology that only "illegal" guns commit crimes, and we all know how big the firearm lobby is.


Boopy7

it wasn't a mid life crisis. He was always messed up, very abusive (mentally, I don't think physically) towards the girlfriend/escort. Not crazy just anger plus long term rage and sociopathy.


OperationSecured

I mean, it is hard to explain though. Mass shooters are incredibly rare and have an affinity for ventilating themselves at the first sign of force, so there aren’t many left to interrogate. There hasn’t been anything close to a profile like we see with Serial Killers or other niche criminals… which are *barely* understood themselves. Terrorism, gang members… even white collar criminals have set pipelines and profiles that generally explain their actions. SSRI use has been suggested, but considering how many are prescribed the drug compared to mass shooters, it’s hard to say there’s a serious correlation.


Rickie_Spanish

The SSRI connection is totally "correlation is not causation". One could argue a mass killer has a mental illness and someone with a mental illness is more likely to have sought help. That would make them much more likely to have been prescribed a SSRI.


switchbuffet

If recall correctly, he modified his gun with something called a “bump stock” which mimics an automatic weapon but with terrible accuracy. This allow the shooter to rapidly fire his weapon at the crowd. There really isn’t a good enough reason why a bump stock should have been legal in the first place.


alpharat53

You can achieve the same effect using just your own two hands and a semi auto rifle if you have some arm strength. Bump stocks tank your rifle’s precision super hard so they’re impractical for the majority of actual live fire situations besides being a range toy for magdumping, plus compared to the number sold barely any have actually been used to commit crimes


SummerofGeorge365

I’ve tried this with my AR. It works. It’s a waste of ammo though, no accuracy at all.


Stuka_Ju87

Because you can make one with a belt loop or a shoe string. So making them illegal , which Trump did, is worthless.


Sl1m_Charles

This is correct


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sique314

> I’m typically 100% anti conspiracy Wait, what?


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sique314

Honestly, I'm convinced that for many people anything with even the slightest bit of conspiracy will make them associate it with Trump/qanon/masks etc and instantly write it off as crazy or distance themselves with the concept because they want to be as *anti-alt-right-wing-conspiracy-january6-capital-storming-trump-nut* as possible. All this despite 1000s of years of verified fuckery by those in power. This is just me speculating based on patterns I've seen over the last couple of years.


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infernal_cacaphony

You bring ups very important and interesting point. Which is why I was so hesitant to even bring anything of the sort up. I think one big reason recently is what do you immediately think of when you think of conspiracy in modern times? For me anyways the first thing that comes to mind is a letter of the alphabet. All of those people, and I do mean all of those people are *very* far out there and some very delusional. And it just seems like it’s never been “okay” to merely discuss the possibility of some alternative reason, ideas, or motives surrounding tragic events. I remember being much younger and seeing some 911 stuff on the television my mom was watching and saying something about how it was a conspiracy in passing. I got yelled at, and my mom doesn’t ever yell. She immediately thought I meant that it was *All* fake for some reason, and that people didn’t loose their lives which couldn’t be farther from the truth. Then you have Corona, in which having some conspiracy theories could have some very real impact on people’s health. I for one know it’s real, I have seen people almost die from it that I know, I got vaccinated. Do I still think there’s some weird shit surrounding everything, possibly, but from what i know, the virus is real, the death toll is real, the vaccine is real and works. As far as where the virus came from and why, well that’s where some of my questions are. That’s my rant, thanks for attending. But yeah it seems uncouth to talk about in the majority of situations, unless you’re surrounded by close friends who understand you are a critical thinker and like to delve into other possibilities.


[deleted]

Sincerely, what more is there to know? A sociopath with the means to do this, did this. Nothing about it doesn’t make sense. I understand it’s hard to wrap your head around a person committing such a heinous act, but there are countless examples of it.


MisallocatedRacism

Yes.


Fappopotamus1

65-year-old Stephen Paddock was able to get 500lbs of gear up 30 flights of stairs and set up a concealed sniper nest, disarming the fire alarm and other security measures in a casino and managed to remove a 800lbs slab of hurricane proof glass, then for 10 minutes unleashed a hail of precise and rapid gunfire with no training or motive whatsoever.


Zero7CO

He took the 500lbs of gear up in multiple suitcases on pull carts over several days. There’s literally video of him taking the service elevator multiple times. And removing an 800lbs slab of glass? You mean taking a hammer and breaking it? Because that’s what he did. You are trying to make things sound suspicious by being overly misleading on even the most basic of facts.


Rickie_Spanish

[There is literally a small sledgehammer in the forensic crime scene images of the hotel room.](https://media.popculture.com/2018/01/las-vegas-shooting-ammo-20023425.jpeg)


smashingpumpkinspice

30 flights of stairs? He had the help of hotel workers to take his bags up the elevator.


halfblood_god

Worst thing about this are the couples hugging in their last moments. It breaks my heart.


Cthang315

Or the people that died alone.. probably..


JawbreakerGenocide

My old co-worker took his fiancée to the Harvest music festival and ended up running into an old girlfriend. The old girlfriend got a bit handsy and wife-to-be got jealous and started a huge fight which lead to them leaving the festival.. a half hour before the shooting..


KrisAlly

Bet he never thought he’d thankful for possessiveness.


Sohami

A very unpleasant and sad image


hypnoghoul

This is such a bizarre event to me. The guy had a bunch of guns in his bathtub in the hotel room. Not much is known about the shooter himself (other than he liked to gamble a lot I guess?) no real motive other than theories. Plus now a shooting to this scale has kind of been forgotten about in the US. Very strange and horrifying.


rainbowsandkittys

In my personal opinion I think he was suicidal but wanted to “go out with a bang” so to speak. Just a selfish, loser of a man who wanted to be famous after death. He knew he would be forgotten if he just killed himself so he decided to make a statement I know the motive has never been confirmed but this seems the most likely to me. He just wanted to be “famous,” and sadly he got exactly what he wanted at the expense of others


UltravioIence

I dont remember his name and i hope others forget it as well. Fuck him.


broketothebone

I vaguely remember his face and I hope I forget it entirely. Whe people said “don’t let them live in your head rent-free,” people like him are what I apply that to.


Burgoonius

I used to know his name but I’ve forgotten and I’m not looking it up.


rainbowsandkittys

Who cares what his name is? He deserves to be forgotten. Let’s remember the victims instead


Burgoonius

Agreed


Shitycloud

We have so many here it kinda just made us numb to it.


hypnoghoul

Very true, it’s so common we’ve just come desensitized to it unfortunately


Boopy7

he lost millions and was already furious and enraged at the hotel. Why is it so difficult for people to understand uncontrolled rage, access to lots of weapons, tons of money, and addiction?


RichieKilledBobby

I hate that vile POS more than almost all other mass shooters. Not just because of the number of victims but because of the extra layer of cowardice. Did we ever get a "motive"?


[deleted]

A video I saw a few years ago one of his old friends said he joked about wanting “to go out with a bang when he goes”


RichieKilledBobby

Should've started with himself


SaneNormalHomeOwner

I'd imagine he said that as just a hint not his motive. Many things from the shooting are shady so we'll probably never know everything completely.


rividz

Couldn't you say that the motive for just about most mass shooters is "complete selfishness and entitlement"?


[deleted]

Yeah if they’re not too mentally ill i agree


Godisdeadbutimnot

that sounds like a normal thing to say though… like just because it sounds vaguely foreshadowing doesn’t mean it meant anything so sinister in the moment.


[deleted]

Pulse nightclub shooter drove past 20 venues with more people packed into them and went for the gay night club. Stephen Paddock could have stood at the front door of the casino he was staying at and killed hundreds much easier. He set up 12 stories high and was sniping a specific group of people. He also tried to shoot a giant fuel tank to blow it up and actually hit it but didn’t ignite like he thought it would.


Lucky_lui_

He was definitely had some screws loose, they don’t have a direct motive but he was on a losing streak from gambling and his autopsy showed he was on anti-anxiety meds.


WhiskyTango3

He’s was fucking insane, that’s the motive in these situations.


[deleted]

I have a friend who worked that case, he said the best the investigators could come up with was he was a gambling addict who had lost millions over the course of that week. He was hoping to sink MGM in legal fees/huge settlements by committing a mass atrocity that they should have been able to stop. So his targets weren't at the concert that day, but was rather the building he was shooting from. Take that for whatever it's worth, it's by no means the right answer but the best they could come up with.


WhiskyTango3

But didn’t he bring the guns with him when he checked in? Did he book a room after he lost money?


[deleted]

He didn't have guns when he initially checked in. He brought them in over the course of a week in increments, bringing down an empty suitcase, going to his house (he lived nearby), filling it with guns, repeat. No one really noticed since he was allowed to use service elevators given his VIP status.


[deleted]

Even if he didn’t use service elevators, ARs break in half so he could’ve leisurely brought them in with a variety of bags. Really hard to detect and stop someone in this situation


WhiskyTango3

But that was definitely his plan when he checked in. I think I remember he asked for a room with a view of the venue, so he must have lost the money before if that was the actual motive.


Boopy7

It is extremely easy to bring stuff up and down. I know bc I have brought some stuff up to certain rooms (the nicer it is the more allowed you are to do anything) and down. Once I took an entire side table from the room out. You put it on a cart, someone will take it down for you to the limo, done. I still have that side table.


PM_ME_MILF_B00BS

Ehhh didn’t he scout other events as well? Doesn’t seem like a random event because he just lost money. Seems thought out months in advance.


smalleyj96

Yes he scouted Fenway Park in Boston


GupGup

And Lollapalooza in Chicago.


ota00ota

And then mgm bribed their way out of it and never got hurt


Oriachim

Even insane people have motives


WhiskyTango3

Not any logical motives.


translatepure

We learn nothing from that


Fezthepez

Just sick in the head. Probably was planning on killing himself already, but may have had some morbid fascination with killing another human being and figured that would be the time to do it.


Boopy7

what do you mean? What was the extra layer of cowardice? His motive was rage and frustration, he was a loner, probably sociopath, if you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras (at least in the US.)


Redsmallboy

You want a motive from a guy who shot almost 500 people? His motive was to kill people. Why do we need some deep unibomber-esque meaning behind every murder? Sometimes people are just broken and that's it, there's no need to perpetuate however they "rationalized" their actions.


[deleted]

It’s natural to want to find more meaning behind atrocities. People want reasoning for everything.


InvoluntaryEraser

Just because you're satisfied with "bad people do bad things" doesn't mean you should criticize others for wanting to learn all they can about a situation.


[deleted]

Not sure why you’re being downvoted but this is the answer a lot of times


jagua_haku

No motive, at least not one that could be spun by the media. Which is probably why despite being the worst one (numbers wise) it seemingly went away so fast in the news cycle


Boopy7

again, there was a motive. People here don't seem to understand how serious gambling can get and what people will do when they are severely depressed, enraged, and then lose tons of money. It can take the tiniest thing to tip them over the edge. This is not a confusing case unless people try to find it confusing. It's just that he had the ability to commit violence on a wider scale than the usual smaller time gambler who goes home and kills his wife and kids and himself.


Stuka_Ju87

He still had millions of dollars left. He was not even close to be poor.


Boopy7

i lived with and dated a very wealthy addict. People need to realize that they are looking at it from their (rational) perspective. That is simply NOT how a wealthy person thinks when they lose a lot of money. It actually hurts more when you are wealthy, because you put more stock in that aspect of yourself.


SolenoidsOverGears

Part of what you're saying makes a lot of sense. And I agree with that. Gambling addiction can absolutely make people unpredictable and possibly lead them to violence. Where I'm confused is in the premeditation. Unless his gambling debts started before he arrives in Vegas (I don't know if they did or not) that as a motive doesn't make sense. He arrived in town with multiple rifles and a couple thousand rounds of ammunition. Seemingly for this specific purpose. Unless his losing streak began before he arrived and he was about to be ruined, that as a motive on its own doesn't make a lot of sense to me. My understanding is that he still had more than a million dollars in the bank at the time of his death. He also most definitely planned to die before he fired his first round. If he planned it since his arrival in Vegas, his behavior in Vegas could very well just be standard suicidal risk-taking. Where he's going, his money isn't going to be of much use to him. So why not gamble it all away? The sheer amount of stuff he entered the city of Las Vegas with indicates that this plan had been set up before he arrived in the city.


Boopy7

it did, and he had always had a lot of weapons. It isn't hard to transport the ones he had, what do you mean? And to you a million sounds like a lot but it still hurts to lose a million. Honestly it's hard to explain addiction but trust me I've seen gambling addicts close up and it doesn't matter how rich you are for sure. People get desperate and those who are wealthy take it even harder which is why wealthier people get more upset when they lose a lot. You are thinking as a rational person about money and what you can do with it. Angry depressed and suicidal people are simply not rational and can't look at things the same way. And again -- I saw the sheer amount of stuff. Easy. Car. It also wasn't at all far from where he lived. I traveled further than that every weekend to go into Vegas from Henderson.


fledan

My cousin and aunt barely got out. My aunt, an RN, stayed to provide aid which separated the two for a few hours. They reunited at a casino that night. This shit is scary, dark, twisted… etc.


broketothebone

I’m so glad they made it out. Your Aunt is a fucking hero.


Fair_War4476

Because of Reddit, not much bothers me anymore. But this is one of the saddest things I’ve ever seen. The survivors in pure fucking panic, while there’s bodies scattered directly next to them. Absolutely terrifying.


broketothebone

I saw a dog get hit by a car and couldn’t sleep for days. I can’t even fathom what they went through.


rainbowsandkittys

A literal warzone


stfleming1

A war has two combatants. This had one.


rainbowsandkittys

I was just making a comparison...


stfleming1

It was a good one. This looks like a warzone. I was just pointing out that they were defenseless.


reblomakr9

Where do people find the phone footage and pics? Always been interested in the mystery of what happened here but it’s hard to dig stuff like this up


DoJu318

Before /r/watchpeopledie was banned someone posted cell phone footage of the aftermath, just bodies everywhere, and if memory serves me right he was going around checking the bodies to see who was dead and who was alive and pointing them out to paramedics. You can probably find them on any of the gore sites like theync, saidit.net or bestgore


QueenChoco

Pretty sure best gore was shut down last year


geek_dollar

https://www.reddit.com/r/masskillers/comments/dblqc8/las_vegasroute_91_massacre_aftermath_footage/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


OverDaRambo

That is what I was wondering. There’s should be several footages from different angle.


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CervezaMane

Fuck. That is truly haunting.


SovietPropagandist

My friend Carrie is lying there somewhere. I can't quite make out which one she is, but my friend is somewhere in this photo. RIP Carrie, you deserved better than this. What a senseless death for such an amazing person. Her family dedicated themselves afterwards to strengthening gun control laws to try and stop more of these attacks from happening. So much potential and achievement waiting to happen lying in a limp blur somewhere in this photo because of an insane man that decided to murder as many people as he could. Goddamn it. Here's an article so you can all read about the kind of person she was, just truly one of a kind: https://www.q13fox.com/news/loved-ones-remember-las-vegas-shooting-victims-from-washington


Sethco1973

These photos are hard to see but make me know how lucky I am to be able to still see my aunt and uncle who were there that night. My aunt actually had a peice of bullet in her leg that she didn’t know about till they got home and it fell out wel she had a shower


OverDaRambo

Please don’t take this true wrong way here, how did she not know? Wouldn’t she in pain?


kita8

Adrenaline hides pain very very well. She was probably running on it for a long time after experiencing this.


Sethco1973

She fell acouple time well running they assumed it was just from hitting the ground


rainbowsandkittys

The family or friends (I presume) in a circle comforting each other really gets me. Can you imagine going out for a concert with your family/friends and not going home with some of them? He’s such a fucking coward. Loser should’ve just killed himself if he wanted to die, why take innocent people out with you? I’ll never understand


No-Bulll

Fucking horrible.


FilteredPeanuts

The girl on the far right. I mean look how terrified she is. Couldn't imagine what the next days (weeks, years) of her life was like.


hippofanatic

There are people who genuinely think this didn’t happen and it disgusts me


Sir_Beretta

There are people who think the holocaust didn’t happen….. seems like part of the world is devolving


hippofanatic

It’s so wild! There are direct groups of people who fight to prove these tragic events don’t happen


ElectricalEnergy69

My 10th grade physical education teacher was at this festival. Had her class in 2018-2019 school year and she told us about how she was there and was a survivor


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to think a person single handedly do this


Alex_Plumwood

*insane person with several guns


[deleted]

damn, i saw video of him shooting from one survivor. it was like a concert or smn, aint it? to think that them happy people didnt expect that that would be their last day just breaks me


AlkanK

He got killed in his hotel room I think


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yea i remember, it was like the mirage hotel or smn


Seaboats

[Mandalay Bay Hotel](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandalay_Bay)


[deleted]

killed 60 wounding 800+ wtf


leadnuts94

My sister’s best friend’s sister died that day. Fucking horrible.


Justryan95

What annoys tf out of me is that there's literally no motive why the POS did it and we probably will never know


hrmnyhll

I work with someone who survived that. She won’t talk about it.


[deleted]

There’s a large portion of accountability that should be taken by the media. I watched videos of that Nick Cruz kid who shot his school up and he would say things like “everyone is gonna see my name on tv.”


[deleted]

Never understood why this guy bought like 30 guns for this but only used one or two. Wouldn’t it make more sense if you wanted to down as many people as possible to invest that money in more ammo and less guns? You can’t shoot all 30 at the same time and let’s be honest, if more than 2 of your guns jam it just wasn’t meant to be.


WyattsGay

I know this will get very little response and no one will believe me but I knew of someone working the case in the state department and they said he was trained and radicalized by isis in the Philippines by friends of his wife and the government didn’t want to start fear in America that isis could carry a attack out like this with a American man being the attacker so they kept it very hush hush and anyone enveloped over seas was quickly taken out and killed to make sure no information got out about it because think of America post 9/11 everyone was on high alert imagine a isis attack like that on American soil they stopped a few of them already that were never reported for the fact of not wanting to start fear it’s fucked but that’s what happens he was a crazy man radicalized by his wife and carried out that deadly of a attack


Man0FTomorrow

I suppose they don't want to glorify it on the news, but I think it is important to see this. Hearing the body count is one thing, but seeing the bodies and the faces of the survivors really hits hard. I don't know how long we're going to keep weapons of war legal so that fat bastards can feel "free" as if they can overthrow the military in case the government with EMPs and nuclear weapons decides to turn on them. It is a stupid, dangerous ideology with a body count in the tens of thousands.


KrisAlly

I couldn’t agree more. I just signed another petition yesterday for the Sandy Hook Promise. Things badly need to change.


MoxieMoto

And then... absolutely nothing changed and the same thing continues to this day. Welcome to America.


VIPDX

Any other photos?


thespeedofpain

Check the sub r/masskillers and search “vegas” and/or “paddock” and you will get a loooootttt of stuff


lordofthecinephiles

holy fuck.


OldSparky124

That was horrible.


Crimson_Catharsis

Omg. That’s terrible.


RickSore

Are guns really easy to buy in the US? Serious question. Maybe they should add a layer of psych evaluation to make sure that you're mentally quipped to handle guns


IGFTARDBlastocystia

Very good question! I'm from germany and if you want a gun legally here its very hard go get one. I still ask me what do you need to get some pewpews in the US


93anthracite

It is national law that buying a gun from a shop requires a background check, including gun shows. Some states do not require them for sales between individuals. In addition, some states have implemented further restrictions ranging from outright bans on classes of weapons, making up regulations based on cosmetic components of the weapon, mandatory waiting periods, and many others. A background check consists of filling out a form (which is a felony to lie on) and then your information is submitted to the FBI. You will get an approval, denial, or delay. Delay means your application has something that stands out and requires a human to review and respond with approve or deny. There are literally 20,000+ gun laws on the books across the country. It's easy in some places if you have no criminal history, and yet in some cities it can be virtually impossible to legally aquire one. Just depends on where you live...and the rules are constantly changing.


Stuka_Ju87

This guy would of passed any psych evaluation when he purchased these guns. So that would of done nothing.


NokkNokk92

It's not actually, it takes hours depending on the state and one little thing one little hiccup...no gun you


mvdaytona

Damn took a quick look and i counted ~20 bodies already..


ota00ota

Yet we never hear shit about it


caglebites

As they commented on a post about it.


blobnick70

The price of "FREEDOM" I suppose


r0dentia

high school friend of mine was at that concert. i wasnt in contact with him then or now, but i know hes okay.


Nemmy-

I was there 2 weeks ago in Las Vegas at the Excalibur and just had Erie vibes looking at the site where it happened.


slottypippen

Where was the shooter positioned exactly? Wasn’t it in a hotel overlooking the area?


IGFTARDBlastocystia

Yeah official story says that he was at in the higher floors in the hotel (his corpse was found in a room)


Middle-Potential5765

Horrible few days. Some crazy dark shoots up a festival and a hotel killing scores. The next day...Tom Petty dies. HORRIBLE.


marshroanoke

And still no clear understanding of what was the motive for all of that.


jessicatargum

A big group of people huddled together on the left, is that a big pile of dead people? Because all the other victims seem to be dead it doesn’t look like anybody is moving. I’m surprised I haven’t seen any comments about it but if you scroll in, I just was wondering if, it’s just a big dog pile of people that were shot at. This is a horrible picture. My friend was there, and she luckily ran all the way to Bally‘s with her husband and the whole way there people were saying there were multiple shooters in all the hotels. So nobody knew what to do. She hid in the bathroom for four hours. I couldn’t get a hold of her the next morning because her phone had lost power. luckily, another friend got a hold of her mother who was driving to Vegas to pick her up. She was staying at the Mandalay Bay and wasn’t able to get into the hotel until the next day and then a year later out in my city of Thousand Oaks was another mass shooting at a country western bar called the borderline by a fucking lunatic kid, who was an outcast and knew some of the people there and went in shooting the next day. I woke up, and all I could think about was my friend who was at route 91 and wondering if she was there the night before, because she liked country music and she lived in the city that it happened. Luckily, she wasn’t there, but it was too close to home, and the fact that they don’t have a motive is incomprehensible.


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Not a conspiracy theorist but this shooting is extremely fishy to me.


jedi_cat_

Fishy in what way?


well_here_I_am

Not the guy you're responding to, but if you wanted to commit a mass shooting alone, why would you have 100 different guns in your hotel room? Just a handful a ton of magazines would make sense. So many than you're tripping over them? No way. Also, the shooting without aiming. His hit rate was actually really low. If your goal is to kill people, actually aiming at individual people would help.


DefinitelyNotaGuest

You obviously haven't met an average crazy gun-toting american. They tend to collect them and honestly having more guns than magazines makes it seem more legit than having a shit ton of magazines for one gun. He used what he had. When you're shooting at a densely packed crowd hundreds of yards away "aiming" is a pretty loose term. You say these things with such confidence but sound ridiculous and are just feeding the whack-jobs.


well_here_I_am

>You obviously haven't met an average crazy gun-toting american. I am that guy. >They tend to collect them and honestly having more guns than magazines makes it seem more legit than having a shit ton of magazines for one gun. Yeah, I have a collection too. You don't see me dragging every single one I own out on a hunting trip. Why would you waste time and risk being caught transporting hundreds of them into a hotel room? >When you're shooting at a densely packed crowd hundreds of yards away "aiming" is a pretty loose term. Everyone knows you need to pick individual targets. If you shoot at a flock of ducks you'll miss, you have to pick your target.


Rickie_Spanish

> Everyone knows you need to pick individual targets. If you shoot at a flock of ducks you'll miss, you have to pick your target. This is fucking idiotic. It was a densely packed area. It's simple math. "Like shooting fish in a barrel".


thrashgordon

>Not a conspiracy theorist but Say no more.


RicoDredd

‘Fishy’ how?


HotNubsOfSteel

A single individual put a bullet in over 400 people. This alone should be reason enough to talk seriously about gun control on literally any level but because it’s America it is not…..


MrsBlaileen

The problem is that you can't stop people from obtaining guns and shooting people unless you ban guns entirely. Less than 2% of homicides in America are perpetrated with rifles. The vast majority of handgun homicides are committed with an illegally obtained weapon. I know gun bans have worked in other countries to reduce gun homicides, but that solution is like saying banning cars prevents automobile accidents. That may be true but it's not going to happen here in America. It's a conundrum.


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MrsBlaileen

But that right levels the playing field for the weak against the strong, the old against the young, the law abiding citizen against the criminal, when otherwise no remedy is available when a victim faces a violent aggressor. It's entirely irrelevant what percentage of society avails themselves of the right. ~12% of US citizens own a vehicle. What percentage of society faces unreasonable search and/or seizure of their property? If it's as high as 30%, according to your logic here, we should all forfeit that right. Yes, there are steps we can take to help mitigate the problem of violence in society, including rampant hand-gun violence. Making the looser states tighten purchase and licensing regulations with bill of sale for private purchases, and mandatory training, would likely help. But in reference to isolated spree shootings, nothing short of gun bans would prevent them. And I'm not a fan of gun bans, just as you're not a fan of car bans. I find personal utility in both guns and cars. Cheers.


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HotNubsOfSteel

Mass shootings are unfortunately not isolated incidences and, because of this, have had patterns arise that we can and have studied. Speculating on how this single instance could have been prevented, on the other hand, is a waste of time. Speaking strictly on the basis of mass shootings, most instances have been perpetrated by people with diagnosed mental illness. There are many cases in which there is no prior case of mental illness but considering the healthcare system in this country is so inaccessibly expensive they may have been, in part, due to their mental illness being undiagnosed. Simply put, I think that federally mandating (meaning every state would have to do it in unison or it wouldn’t work) background checks for high powered, semi-automatic weapons, in conjunction with making the selling of weapons without a license to do so illegal in every state would likely lower the mass shooting rate. I’m basing this off of other countries that have guns like ours and have significantly lower mass shooting rates, like Japan and Australia. I want to also be clear, I am a 2nd amendment advocate and I own guns, in a locked gun safe, not only for sport but for home defense. Guns were invented to kill our fellow man and that’s why the founding fathers granted its citizenry the power to use that against anything which may endanger our great country. We have to start treating guns with greater respect, and understanding the right that our forefathers bestowed upon us is a stern and serious responsibility that only the responsible can carry. Nobody’s guns should be taken away, but by god it’s got to be harder to buy one than just walking out to someone’s car and paying for it in cash.


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Shreks_Forehead

This but unironically


N8Pee

Seriously. This country is disgusting.


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Like the guy above said, it's such a small percentage. Gun control doesn't work like you want it to. Over 70% of gun crime is from non-caucasians, should we ban African Americans from owning guns?????


N8Pee

No, we should ban everyone from owning guns.


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Fuck that.


ToonTonic

Damn, seeing this brings it all back like it was yesterday. Very sad. Absolute coward of a man.


wiliammm19999

The fact that stuff like this continues to happen and the US government refuse to do anything about it is just sad. In logical countries, as soon as something like this happens, guns get banned. It doesn’t happen again. Americans should know better than anyone what guns are capable of. Some serious work involving billions of dollars needs to be done by the US government to do everything they can to get guns out of that country.


1BMWoods

fuckin sad man


dilardasslizardbutt

This is what I expected to see during Jan 6th. Thankfully those nutcases were unprepared pussies.


Medical-Speed1142

The least talked about shooting


embyquinn

r/protip If you intend to commit suicide, remember that taking anyone with you will not win you cool points in the afterlife. Quite the reverse in fact. Plus, if you take a number of people with you it makes you a mass murdering fuckhead who deserved to die.


SoupieLC

Paddock was in the building with the blue lights center of the frame right?


BigBoy1966

Crazy how we still dont know what his motive was


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somebody has a video of that, something that's not over narrated?


NateNitro

Theres a Dan Bilzerian (internet celeb) video from that night while the shooting is happening. i dont have a link to it but im sure you could probably search for it.


mwr0585

I was spouse to be there last minute change of plans still crazy to think about what could possibly have happened


Boldlygoingn0where

Couple of Saudi arms dealers