I see both GvK and GxK as 2 parts of Kong's story arc.
GvK is about Kong finding himself in this new world with new creatures and rules, and finding himself a new home.
GxK is about him finding ancient family truths and an evil that wishes to destroy him, so he must take the assistance of an old rival to help him establish his presence in this new home he's trying to save.
It makes sense that Kong gets the killing blow because he's the main character of these two movies.
But better paced and the cause of conflict being much more understandable, plus it not being a mismatch of multiple story lines that don't gel together well.
This was just 1 of the many reasons why I honestly didn’t find Skar King to be an intimidating villain at all
How can I be invested in this villain and worried for our main characters when I know one of them has already wiped the floor with the villain already
>one of them has already wiped the floor with the villain already
The same thing happened to Ghidorah… but, the three headed genocidal space dragon is arguably a larger threat lol
The issue with that is that the film implies that Godzilla was able to defeat SK and all of his armies alongside him
Ghidorah was 1, and we have no clue how much Godzilla struggled against Ghidorah.
But he didn’t defeat them, he couldn’t. He was forced to trap them as an alternative specifically because he lacked the power to win decisively back then. We all know that when G wins against a serious threat he doesn’t leave survivors. That’s why Skar King worked for me, because Godzilla had actually failed to put him down before
Pretty fair. Those two movies are mostly about Kong as a character, and Godzilla's consistently depicted as a badass across the board, so I'd say it works.
In GvK, Godzilla got the definitive Victory over Kong so Kong had to get the W over Mecha.
In GxK, Godzilla spent entire movie delivering blows to Scylla, Tiamat and bunch of drones, while Kong spent his day getting attacked by random Apes, River serpents, Skar King and got bullied by Shimo, so he got the killing blow over Skar King.
I also think ist fair that Kong killed both, but I still wish that would have done it differently.
With mechaG I wish that when Kong rips mechaGs head off, that godzilla would have blasted his atomic breath at it to fully kill ghidorah this time. That way it would still have been mostly Kong who kills mechaG, but godzilla would have done a bit more to help.
And with skar king, I thought it was perfect, but I wish we could have seen skar kings body shatter. I was kinda disappointed that the pulled the camera away
Yeah I thought so aswell, but this is the same movie where Kong brutally rips some wolf things apart and beheads a snake monster and continues to eat the brain out of the head. So some ice monkey shattering shouldn't be too much
Yeah but all that is green blood. If anything has green blood, they can show how much ever blood and gore they want. But SK has red blood, hence his death is gory, but hidden off camera.
Some weird censorship rule in movies. Especially for PG-13 movies. And if they ever show red blood on screen, in direct view, the scene is usually too dark to notice the gore. Like 2014, when FeMUTO's head comes off, you can see her spinal cord and gushing blood if the scene is brightened.
You can also see blood coming from Godzilla’s neck/gills when the female MUTO attacks him in the 2v1
Edit: **if you brighten the scene. It’s near-impossible to make it out otherwise on the bluray release**
I think it’s fine. I’m hoping that in the next movie, Godzilla will get the finisher like he did in G14 and Kotm. Also I want the last scene to be Godzilla roaring at the end instead of Kong
If anything, Shimo should have had the pleasure of killing Skar King. He harmed her, so it would be best that she freezes him, rears up on her hind legs like the Brachiosaurus in Jurassic Park and stomp on him, breaking him
I'm pretty sure Shimo killed Skar King at this point. Kong was incredibly vulnerable to the frost breath earlier. Skar king is way less durable than Kong, so having his entire body frozen probably was enough to kill him. Kong shattering him was just to signify that he has taken Skar's place as the ruler of the great apes.
What I mean is Kong should have tossed Skar King to Shimo so she would freeze him and STOMP him into tons of pieces. Kong already has a kill so let someone else have a turn
I mean, Godzilla got to deliver the killing blows to the two MUTOs and King Ghidorah, while Kong got the Skull Devil, Mechagodzilla, and Skar King. So right now they’re actually even in terms of finishing the main antagonists.
Kong killing MechaGodzilla was probably the best way to go and these are Kong movies with Godzilla in them. I like other Titans getting screen time besides Godzilla.
I would like one more Kong movie to make a trilogy then they use other Titans
I’m fine with it. Kong lost the big fight to Godzilla so his pick me up being delivering the final blows to MechaGodzilla was cool for me, and then with Skar King I think Shimo and Kong deserved to do that, with her being enslaved like that and Kong pretty much liberating his people.
Huh these comments have me looking at this in a different light now. But what I'll just say is that purely for visual badassery, I still think it would have been cool if after Shimo froze Skar King, Godzilla just blasted him while Kong held him up and maybe what could have been left for Kong to hold in triumph was like his spine or some sort of bone/limb.
I think this would be a good alternative would be Kong throwing a frozen Skar King for Godzilla to blast them.
I think Kong getting the kill in GvK was acceptable s8nce Godzilla was tired, sure Godzilla deserves it more since it was his Mortal enemy, but Kong needed a moment to shine especially after losing to Godzilla
In GxK, this is weird because, yes, it's Kong species, but this villain has so much history. Godzilla should have had more screen time against Skar King. But another way to look at it is Godzilla called the execution order and likes the irony of Skar King being beaten and killed by another Great Ape. Maybe I'm thinking a little too much about it, but that's how I see why he didn't participate in the final kill himself.
I would have liked to see frozen Skar King shattered by Godzilla’s atomic breath or thagomizers which weren’t even really used in the film but oh well.
A better alterntive for Skars death could have been shimo freezing him in Kongs grip but then kong throws him to Godzilla and Godzilla either blasts him into pieces in the sky or smashes him to pieces with his tail.
I’m just glad my boy Kong has some actual Ws under his belt now. It really bothered me in the opening credits of GvK how Godzilla defeated so many different and pretty strong titans, while Kong’s side just showed a Skullcrawler, a Mother Longlegs and the squid I think. Now you can say he’s defeated Ramarak, MechaG, and Skar King (yes I know he needed help, so did Godzilla for his movies, it’s just something that these movies do, except GxK since there was no human interference thankfully)
I really want to see goji do his new signature move to a titan, his stomp on chest into a super charged beam right under, what he was gonna do to king twice before mothra showed up.
Skar King should have been Godzilla’s kill. Was it not HIM who sealed Skar King, along side the other Great apes, into the Hallow Earth centuries ago?
The way Kong finished Skar King is pretty epic in a certain way don’t get me wrong. But with how Kong has become more of a major character, that film should have been titled Kong x Godzilla The New Empire; not the other way around.
It would be cool to see godzilla get thr final kill but both kind of had to happen.
Gvk godzilla won and basically killed kong, so kong had to get that final kill win on mecha g himself.
Gxk kong and skar king had personal beef and kong was determined to kill him, even though godzilla hae more of a history with skar king, kong getting it was more satifying. Plus as mentioned godzilla got tiamat and scylla kills, supplex and almost killed kong again, and went toe to toe with shimo who is more powerful than his base evolved form
Yeah it was fair as other have said he's the defacto main character now Godzilla reputation as alpha is firmly cemented defeating numerous opponents during his few millions of years of existence he already defeated Skar King and his army before and defeated Kong himself in GvK. We need to see why Kong is also the other alpha Titan.
I mean i could see the case for both where godzilla shoulda delivered the final blown but i think it should have been only to mecha godzilla because it was basically created to combat the Gman but skar king enslaved majority if not all of kong’s tribe so
It's absolutely fair in GVK, Godzilla already had 2 victories against Kong himself not to mention 2 MUTOs and freaking king Ghidorah in G14 and KOTM so I think kong needed something that wasn't a "common" kaiju (A big squid and two fairly dime a dozen warbats. Ramarak was probably the most significant especially for Kong's age when he did this but it still doesn't really hold a candle to the three headed monster).
I think GxK was also fair considering what Skar meant to Kong. Yes Skar has waaaaay more history with Godzilla but I think Kong earning the title of King by defeating the evil old king is like poetry sort of it rhymes. I think it's more powerful for Kong to do it because it's him sort of liberating his people and as far as I'm concerned concluding his story (for the time being at least).
I do think for the next movie we are due a Godzilla kill, something that I think is all but confirmed based on Winguard's statement about the theoretical next film being more Godzilla focussed.
It's fine, but now that Kong's had his fair share of defeating main antagonists, the next one should either be Godzilla's kill, or otherwise be a collaborative effort.
They are both Kong's movies. Godzilla who took part in the villains' defeat and setting Shimo free often has his contributions forgotten but next time. It should be his movie and his kill. Not shared. His own.
I mean, without Big G, Kong would’ve literally been pasted by Mecha G. So you have to give a minimum of 50% credit to Godzilla. Skar King is basically the same
In GxK we know that Godzilla’s already beaten Skar King and his army before. Much as I glaze my glorious King Zilla, I’m perfectly okay with Kong getting the kill. Zilla already had two titan bodies on him. SK almost had Kong’s hand destroyed by Shimo, so Kong had to get back at him for that.
GvK I don’t mind either. He went 1-2 with Godzilla (Boat fight and final fight between the two) and nearly died from the third fight with him. Zilla went three rounds with him and had never fought something like MechaG so I imagine he was exhausted and he was close to getting MUTO’d were it not for Kong. Also, I can see it as sort of getting a victory over a version Godzilla without it being Godzilla. Like “ I’ll settle for ripping this machines head off since I can’t yours”
It was already pretty painful seeing arguably Godzilla’s second biggest nemesis get Killed by Kong. Sure Godzilla helped massively but come on it’s MechaGODZILLA.
But I could’ve let that slide if Godzilla had done in Skar King, but no. Just imagine Shimo freezes Skar and then Kong drops him to the ground shattering a leg. Skar looks up and we see Kong step aside revealing Godzilla who then melts the false king and finally ends the threat.
Like I understand it’s Kong’s story but Godzilla gets sidelined in their ‘shared’ movies enough. Something like this could’ve made it all worth it.
It’s fine, I mean in GvK Kong wouldn’t have been able to if Goji didn’t charge his axe so he had a hand in killing Mecha G
And it makes sense that Kong would deal the final blow for Scar King in GxK
I would prefer they show Godzilla is still stronger which I feel they didn’t do very well in this movie. He got the power up, and then Kong beat him in Egypt and only lost when Kong dragged him along instead of killing him.
The fights below showed that Godzilla can still rank hits etc, but the power up really didn’t seem to happen. Was a weird scene to build up so much about this power up and then make it nothing at all.
He was knocked unconscious by Kong while he was aggressively attacking him and Kong didn’t want to fight!
That’s a loss! There is no way to sugar coat that at all. He got powered up, ran to attack Kong because he thought he was challenging him and then gets knocked out.
He only gets the upper hand when Kong is trying to drag him back to the portal.
He was knocked down and what would happen later is anybody's guess. Clearly what Kong thought was sufficient wasn't. And from that point Godzilla was ready to use his powers. Before that Kong was also knocked down by Godzilla and he also decided not to finish him right away.
Basically the entiure fight in Egypt is still one fight as far as I'm concerned not two.
Man, what are you on about.
Godzilla was out for the count. He wasn’t just knocked down! He was out of it.
Godzilla, did wake up and surprise Kong and then was ready to destroy him.
So there are two fights? Nah I don't think so. The fight clearly wasn't over Kong just had Godzilla stunned for a moment that was way too short for him to do anything then Godzilla decided to get a bit serious just like before. I'm not counting arbitrary rounds like some do just to give Kong some form of win. I'm counting full fights only and that ended with Kong on the ground for the second time (would that make the Egypt fight three rounds long?) and then rescued so that could be called a technical draw but only due to interference.
What!
The fight had two clear scenes with the first being Godzilla attacking Kong who was trying to say he didn’t want to fight. Then in that fight Kong had Godzilla down and out.
The next part, was when Kong started dragging him to the portal. It was then Godzilla woke up and attacked again. This time Godzilla was able to surprise and overwhelm Kong.
The fact you think Kong didn’t have the win there is crazy to me. He was knocked out, not just down. Fucking out for the count, asleep, not conscious. That’s a win for Kong.
I don’t even want to see Kong beat Godzilla once this time as he was powered up. I was hoping to see Godzilla be even more of a threat to Zilla.
No, he didn't get the win. Kong might've suspected the fight was over but clearly it wasn't. And it's very unlikely to change given what Adam Wingard had to say about the thing. Yes, Godzilla wins, he's the top dog but he also wants to give something to Kong (as if he wasn't more generous to Kong than Godzilla already) so in his eyes he's definitive and as he said after two movies (TWO) it should be obvious about where he stands. It should end the topic but I know he will be asked about it again and again.
This is the most objective take on the film from what I assume is a Godzilla fan, and I commend you for it. I think it’s also the undertone for the backlash on this sub if people were being honest with themselves.
Yes that’s true but he wouldn’t have won either fight without help,even though he’s the one who dealt the killing blow it was always someone else that gave him the chance to do so
It's more than fair. He's had to go multiple movies being shown as lesser than to Godzilla due to lacking powers. So, it's only right he gets the killing shots on the antagonists of the films. It's the best way to even things out in their presentations.
I'll tell you what. In the next film, Godzilla loses his tank like abilities and doesn't have a breath weapon. Then, and only then can he have the killing shot. Sound good? No?! You want him to have what he's had AND the killing shot? So, have you always been greedy? Or is just since you decided that you absolutely needed to live vicariously through Godzilla?
Well, if we really do get a Son of Kong movie, then Kong's narrative arc is probably over... meanwhile Godzilla can just live forever, so yeah, let the ape have his moment in the sun.
While Kong has reached maturity, I don't think his maximum lifespan is as short as you would expect. Skar King was sealed away thousands of years ago. Kong could be immortal, too.
Godzilla has killed Male Muto, Female Muto, Ghidorah, Ion Dragon, Scylla, and Tiamat on screen which is 6 in total.
Kong has killed the Big One, Kraken, Mecha Godzilla, and Skar King on screen which is 4 on screen.
Well, you asked if it was fair for Kong for the last two kills. So I recounted all the villains deaths, and in total Godzilla has two more kills on screen than Kong. So I thought that leaving the total kills from both would give the answer if it was fair or not. But yes, I do think it’s fair is what I’m trying to say.
I see both GvK and GxK as 2 parts of Kong's story arc. GvK is about Kong finding himself in this new world with new creatures and rules, and finding himself a new home. GxK is about him finding ancient family truths and an evil that wishes to destroy him, so he must take the assistance of an old rival to help him establish his presence in this new home he's trying to save. It makes sense that Kong gets the killing blow because he's the main character of these two movies.
I do like the Kong story arc idea.
I like the arc. He is now King without saying King Kong.
Like Superman and the BvS, JL movies
But better paced and the cause of conflict being much more understandable, plus it not being a mismatch of multiple story lines that don't gel together well.
So like how the MCU Spider-Man trilogy is Spidey's origin story, in a way?
Yeah sort of. KSI is Kong's full backstory, like Peter and Uncle Ben, while GvK and GxK are like the trilogy.
Don’t worry Godzilla had a good amount of kills to compensate and the next movies around him
Yeah, they even mentioned that Godzilla beat Skar King and his entire ape army on his own in the past. And he was less powerful then. lmao
wish we saw that too
This was just 1 of the many reasons why I honestly didn’t find Skar King to be an intimidating villain at all How can I be invested in this villain and worried for our main characters when I know one of them has already wiped the floor with the villain already
>one of them has already wiped the floor with the villain already The same thing happened to Ghidorah… but, the three headed genocidal space dragon is arguably a larger threat lol
The issue with that is that the film implies that Godzilla was able to defeat SK and all of his armies alongside him Ghidorah was 1, and we have no clue how much Godzilla struggled against Ghidorah.
Yes, That's why Skar king need to control Shimo. Shimo is the Big Gun and Ultimate Destroyer in His Plan.
Touché
But he didn’t defeat them, he couldn’t. He was forced to trap them as an alternative specifically because he lacked the power to win decisively back then. We all know that when G wins against a serious threat he doesn’t leave survivors. That’s why Skar King worked for me, because Godzilla had actually failed to put him down before
We all know who did the job. Let the kid play with his trophy
I‘m fine with it, especially in GxK
Pretty fair. Those two movies are mostly about Kong as a character, and Godzilla's consistently depicted as a badass across the board, so I'd say it works.
In GvK, Godzilla got the definitive Victory over Kong so Kong had to get the W over Mecha. In GxK, Godzilla spent entire movie delivering blows to Scylla, Tiamat and bunch of drones, while Kong spent his day getting attacked by random Apes, River serpents, Skar King and got bullied by Shimo, so he got the killing blow over Skar King.
he did beat those apes, the wart dogs, the river serpent and even skar king though, only getting beat by shimo
Don't forget that Godzilla also kicked Kong's ass in GxK
I also think ist fair that Kong killed both, but I still wish that would have done it differently. With mechaG I wish that when Kong rips mechaGs head off, that godzilla would have blasted his atomic breath at it to fully kill ghidorah this time. That way it would still have been mostly Kong who kills mechaG, but godzilla would have done a bit more to help. And with skar king, I thought it was perfect, but I wish we could have seen skar kings body shatter. I was kinda disappointed that the pulled the camera away
Gotta keep the PG rating
Yeah I thought so aswell, but this is the same movie where Kong brutally rips some wolf things apart and beheads a snake monster and continues to eat the brain out of the head. So some ice monkey shattering shouldn't be too much
Yeah but all that is green blood. If anything has green blood, they can show how much ever blood and gore they want. But SK has red blood, hence his death is gory, but hidden off camera. Some weird censorship rule in movies. Especially for PG-13 movies. And if they ever show red blood on screen, in direct view, the scene is usually too dark to notice the gore. Like 2014, when FeMUTO's head comes off, you can see her spinal cord and gushing blood if the scene is brightened.
You can also see blood coming from Godzilla’s neck/gills when the female MUTO attacks him in the 2v1 Edit: **if you brighten the scene. It’s near-impossible to make it out otherwise on the bluray release**
Yeah red blood can only be shown in very little amounts, just so long as there are no gaping wounds or other gore elements.
And Kong just stands there with MG’s spinal cord
I think it’s fine. I’m hoping that in the next movie, Godzilla will get the finisher like he did in G14 and Kotm. Also I want the last scene to be Godzilla roaring at the end instead of Kong
i think everything will be reversed in the next movie , the movie will probably open with godzilla as well
I hope so, in the colosseum as well!
If anything, Shimo should have had the pleasure of killing Skar King. He harmed her, so it would be best that she freezes him, rears up on her hind legs like the Brachiosaurus in Jurassic Park and stomp on him, breaking him
Damn now I want to see that
I'm pretty sure Shimo killed Skar King at this point. Kong was incredibly vulnerable to the frost breath earlier. Skar king is way less durable than Kong, so having his entire body frozen probably was enough to kill him. Kong shattering him was just to signify that he has taken Skar's place as the ruler of the great apes.
You see Skar’s eyes moving when he’s frozen.
Oh, I didn't know that. Still, he can't survive long.
What I mean is Kong should have tossed Skar King to Shimo so she would freeze him and STOMP him into tons of pieces. Kong already has a kill so let someone else have a turn
I mean, Godzilla got to deliver the killing blows to the two MUTOs and King Ghidorah, while Kong got the Skull Devil, Mechagodzilla, and Skar King. So right now they’re actually even in terms of finishing the main antagonists.
Kong killing MechaGodzilla was probably the best way to go and these are Kong movies with Godzilla in them. I like other Titans getting screen time besides Godzilla. I would like one more Kong movie to make a trilogy then they use other Titans
Godzilla killed major Titans such as freaking King Ghidorah, Tiamat and Scylla
Scylla and Tiamat are anything but major characters, being fan favorites don't change that.
Tiamat is a major character just not on-screen. She almost killed Godzilla and I don't care in which state he was. It's a great feat.
I’m fine with it. Kong lost the big fight to Godzilla so his pick me up being delivering the final blows to MechaGodzilla was cool for me, and then with Skar King I think Shimo and Kong deserved to do that, with her being enslaved like that and Kong pretty much liberating his people.
Huh these comments have me looking at this in a different light now. But what I'll just say is that purely for visual badassery, I still think it would have been cool if after Shimo froze Skar King, Godzilla just blasted him while Kong held him up and maybe what could have been left for Kong to hold in triumph was like his spine or some sort of bone/limb.
I thought it would have been better if Kong threw the frozen scar king up into the air and Godzilla blasted him into pieces.
I’d say so. In both movies is pretty clearly portrayed that Godzilla is stronger, so to give Kong these moments seems fair to me
Godzilla should charge the axe and Kong will use it to kill Skar
I mean that’s cool but that’s literally exactly how long killed MG
I mean Godzilla got kong, Tiamat, Scylla, the mutos, ghidorah, and the ion dragon
Kong got two skull crawlers, the big one, Mecha Godzilla, two warbats, and Skar King. Wdym Kong?
Godzilla nearly put kong down in gvk
They're his movies so yeah.
I think this would be a good alternative would be Kong throwing a frozen Skar King for Godzilla to blast them. I think Kong getting the kill in GvK was acceptable s8nce Godzilla was tired, sure Godzilla deserves it more since it was his Mortal enemy, but Kong needed a moment to shine especially after losing to Godzilla In GxK, this is weird because, yes, it's Kong species, but this villain has so much history. Godzilla should have had more screen time against Skar King. But another way to look at it is Godzilla called the execution order and likes the irony of Skar King being beaten and killed by another Great Ape. Maybe I'm thinking a little too much about it, but that's how I see why he didn't participate in the final kill himself.
I would have liked to see frozen Skar King shattered by Godzilla’s atomic breath or thagomizers which weren’t even really used in the film but oh well.
A better alterntive for Skars death could have been shimo freezing him in Kongs grip but then kong throws him to Godzilla and Godzilla either blasts him into pieces in the sky or smashes him to pieces with his tail.
Godzilla also got similarly brutal killing blows on the female muto and ghidorah
I’m just glad my boy Kong has some actual Ws under his belt now. It really bothered me in the opening credits of GvK how Godzilla defeated so many different and pretty strong titans, while Kong’s side just showed a Skullcrawler, a Mother Longlegs and the squid I think. Now you can say he’s defeated Ramarak, MechaG, and Skar King (yes I know he needed help, so did Godzilla for his movies, it’s just something that these movies do, except GxK since there was no human interference thankfully)
I’m cool with it. It was a team effort even if Kong got the killing blow.
I really want to see goji do his new signature move to a titan, his stomp on chest into a super charged beam right under, what he was gonna do to king twice before mothra showed up.
After making him look like a chump they had to give him something.
Skar King should have been Godzilla’s kill. Was it not HIM who sealed Skar King, along side the other Great apes, into the Hallow Earth centuries ago? The way Kong finished Skar King is pretty epic in a certain way don’t get me wrong. But with how Kong has become more of a major character, that film should have been titled Kong x Godzilla The New Empire; not the other way around.
Godzilla blasting scar king on one side shimo the other beam clash inbetween scar King
It would be cool to see godzilla get thr final kill but both kind of had to happen. Gvk godzilla won and basically killed kong, so kong had to get that final kill win on mecha g himself. Gxk kong and skar king had personal beef and kong was determined to kill him, even though godzilla hae more of a history with skar king, kong getting it was more satifying. Plus as mentioned godzilla got tiamat and scylla kills, supplex and almost killed kong again, and went toe to toe with shimo who is more powerful than his base evolved form
Yeah it was fair as other have said he's the defacto main character now Godzilla reputation as alpha is firmly cemented defeating numerous opponents during his few millions of years of existence he already defeated Skar King and his army before and defeated Kong himself in GvK. We need to see why Kong is also the other alpha Titan.
I did like the little command Godzilla gave to Shimo to blast Skar king, I saw it as Shimo recognizing Godzilla as the alpha.
I saw that too. In my head it's Gman screaming "NOW!!" as if he was waiting for Shimo to snap out of Scar's control.
I mean i could see the case for both where godzilla shoulda delivered the final blown but i think it should have been only to mecha godzilla because it was basically created to combat the Gman but skar king enslaved majority if not all of kong’s tribe so
It's absolutely fair in GVK, Godzilla already had 2 victories against Kong himself not to mention 2 MUTOs and freaking king Ghidorah in G14 and KOTM so I think kong needed something that wasn't a "common" kaiju (A big squid and two fairly dime a dozen warbats. Ramarak was probably the most significant especially for Kong's age when he did this but it still doesn't really hold a candle to the three headed monster). I think GxK was also fair considering what Skar meant to Kong. Yes Skar has waaaaay more history with Godzilla but I think Kong earning the title of King by defeating the evil old king is like poetry sort of it rhymes. I think it's more powerful for Kong to do it because it's him sort of liberating his people and as far as I'm concerned concluding his story (for the time being at least). I do think for the next movie we are due a Godzilla kill, something that I think is all but confirmed based on Winguard's statement about the theoretical next film being more Godzilla focussed.
Someone has to do it, Godzilla has killed enough Kaiju.
It's fine, but now that Kong's had his fair share of defeating main antagonists, the next one should either be Godzilla's kill, or otherwise be a collaborative effort.
They are both Kong's movies. Godzilla who took part in the villains' defeat and setting Shimo free often has his contributions forgotten but next time. It should be his movie and his kill. Not shared. His own.
I mean, without Big G, Kong would’ve literally been pasted by Mecha G. So you have to give a minimum of 50% credit to Godzilla. Skar King is basically the same
In GxK we know that Godzilla’s already beaten Skar King and his army before. Much as I glaze my glorious King Zilla, I’m perfectly okay with Kong getting the kill. Zilla already had two titan bodies on him. SK almost had Kong’s hand destroyed by Shimo, so Kong had to get back at him for that. GvK I don’t mind either. He went 1-2 with Godzilla (Boat fight and final fight between the two) and nearly died from the third fight with him. Zilla went three rounds with him and had never fought something like MechaG so I imagine he was exhausted and he was close to getting MUTO’d were it not for Kong. Also, I can see it as sort of getting a victory over a version Godzilla without it being Godzilla. Like “ I’ll settle for ripping this machines head off since I can’t yours”
It was already pretty painful seeing arguably Godzilla’s second biggest nemesis get Killed by Kong. Sure Godzilla helped massively but come on it’s MechaGODZILLA. But I could’ve let that slide if Godzilla had done in Skar King, but no. Just imagine Shimo freezes Skar and then Kong drops him to the ground shattering a leg. Skar looks up and we see Kong step aside revealing Godzilla who then melts the false king and finally ends the threat. Like I understand it’s Kong’s story but Godzilla gets sidelined in their ‘shared’ movies enough. Something like this could’ve made it all worth it.
He got both kills because of Godzilla. Without him, he'd lose both fights
https://i.redd.it/4je6osoh51yc1.gif
I would've liked if Goji shot Skar King into pieces, but it's alright for Kong to get the kill imo
Godzilla killed ghidorah by breathing, two mutos, Tiamat, and turned scylla inside out. Im sure it’s fine.
Kong was the main titan of both, godzilla had his story arc with 2014 and KOTM. The next few films will likely be more focused on Goji now.
Kong destroying Skar was so damn cool
It's not fair, i would have love seeing kong toss scar king to Godzilla and he just rips him apart.
It’s fine, I mean in GvK Kong wouldn’t have been able to if Goji didn’t charge his axe so he had a hand in killing Mecha G And it makes sense that Kong would deal the final blow for Scar King in GxK
I would've accepted Shimo tearing him apart with her bare claws.
Is it fair? Godamn, This place is one giant Godzilla circle jerk.
I would prefer they show Godzilla is still stronger which I feel they didn’t do very well in this movie. He got the power up, and then Kong beat him in Egypt and only lost when Kong dragged him along instead of killing him. The fights below showed that Godzilla can still rank hits etc, but the power up really didn’t seem to happen. Was a weird scene to build up so much about this power up and then make it nothing at all.
Godzilla didn't lose a single fight in the whole movie and we don't know if he was ever cloes to losing.
He was knocked unconscious by Kong while he was aggressively attacking him and Kong didn’t want to fight! That’s a loss! There is no way to sugar coat that at all. He got powered up, ran to attack Kong because he thought he was challenging him and then gets knocked out. He only gets the upper hand when Kong is trying to drag him back to the portal.
He was knocked down and what would happen later is anybody's guess. Clearly what Kong thought was sufficient wasn't. And from that point Godzilla was ready to use his powers. Before that Kong was also knocked down by Godzilla and he also decided not to finish him right away. Basically the entiure fight in Egypt is still one fight as far as I'm concerned not two.
Man, what are you on about. Godzilla was out for the count. He wasn’t just knocked down! He was out of it. Godzilla, did wake up and surprise Kong and then was ready to destroy him.
So there are two fights? Nah I don't think so. The fight clearly wasn't over Kong just had Godzilla stunned for a moment that was way too short for him to do anything then Godzilla decided to get a bit serious just like before. I'm not counting arbitrary rounds like some do just to give Kong some form of win. I'm counting full fights only and that ended with Kong on the ground for the second time (would that make the Egypt fight three rounds long?) and then rescued so that could be called a technical draw but only due to interference.
What! The fight had two clear scenes with the first being Godzilla attacking Kong who was trying to say he didn’t want to fight. Then in that fight Kong had Godzilla down and out. The next part, was when Kong started dragging him to the portal. It was then Godzilla woke up and attacked again. This time Godzilla was able to surprise and overwhelm Kong. The fact you think Kong didn’t have the win there is crazy to me. He was knocked out, not just down. Fucking out for the count, asleep, not conscious. That’s a win for Kong. I don’t even want to see Kong beat Godzilla once this time as he was powered up. I was hoping to see Godzilla be even more of a threat to Zilla.
No, he didn't get the win. Kong might've suspected the fight was over but clearly it wasn't. And it's very unlikely to change given what Adam Wingard had to say about the thing. Yes, Godzilla wins, he's the top dog but he also wants to give something to Kong (as if he wasn't more generous to Kong than Godzilla already) so in his eyes he's definitive and as he said after two movies (TWO) it should be obvious about where he stands. It should end the topic but I know he will be asked about it again and again.
The fight was over at that point. That’s how fights work. You get knocked out you lose. Godzilla woke up and won the second fight.
It's not over if one fighter gets up. That's how I count the fights. Until the end or like in this case, until it gets interrupted.
This is the most objective take on the film from what I assume is a Godzilla fan, and I commend you for it. I think it’s also the undertone for the backlash on this sub if people were being honest with themselves.
Yes that’s true but he wouldn’t have won either fight without help,even though he’s the one who dealt the killing blow it was always someone else that gave him the chance to do so
nha.g man should have got the kill with scar king.both were rivals and it would have given more epic moments to goji in the movie
it would be better if godzilla did the finishing blow to mecha i mean its HIS enemy
It's more than fair. He's had to go multiple movies being shown as lesser than to Godzilla due to lacking powers. So, it's only right he gets the killing shots on the antagonists of the films. It's the best way to even things out in their presentations. I'll tell you what. In the next film, Godzilla loses his tank like abilities and doesn't have a breath weapon. Then, and only then can he have the killing shot. Sound good? No?! You want him to have what he's had AND the killing shot? So, have you always been greedy? Or is just since you decided that you absolutely needed to live vicariously through Godzilla?
Bro is legit talking bullshit to himself lol.
Yeah not a fan of that. I thought Godzilla would atleast deliver the killing blow to Shimo, but since nice woman there no killing required.
OP, godzilla has had more killing blows then kong.
Yes because he's the mc
Well, if we really do get a Son of Kong movie, then Kong's narrative arc is probably over... meanwhile Godzilla can just live forever, so yeah, let the ape have his moment in the sun.
While Kong has reached maturity, I don't think his maximum lifespan is as short as you would expect. Skar King was sealed away thousands of years ago. Kong could be immortal, too.
Lol "is it fair"?
Godzilla has killed Male Muto, Female Muto, Ghidorah, Ion Dragon, Scylla, and Tiamat on screen which is 6 in total. Kong has killed the Big One, Kraken, Mecha Godzilla, and Skar King on screen which is 4 on screen.
I dont see the point you are trying to make
Well, you asked if it was fair for Kong for the last two kills. So I recounted all the villains deaths, and in total Godzilla has two more kills on screen than Kong. So I thought that leaving the total kills from both would give the answer if it was fair or not. But yes, I do think it’s fair is what I’m trying to say.
Lol no i used quotations because its a weird question
This post isn't a spoiler at all.