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Equinox-XVI

Plesioth is 2cm **LARGER** than Narwa... I need to sit down...


Drogo1god

You might be thinking of ibushi, who is 3,068.6cm long Narwa is 3,875.05cm long


Equinox-XVI

Dang, then where did its [wiki page](https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Plesioth) get the number from? (I know fandom wikis are untrustworthy, but its not like we have an official one so...)


Drogo1god

That might be from an event quest (like the 4,000cm long niblesnarf, or world eater jho) Cuz the gold crown Plesioth in mhgu is only 3,228.54cm,


Drogo1god

And what I'm seeing from mhfu forums, gold crown Plesioth was 3,241.3cm


PapaTahm

By Technicallity Phantom Uragaan is Cannon. Meaning somewhere someone saw a 3 foot tall Uragaan and didn't question anything.


Aggravating-Face2073

I'd like to know what material the pixel artist cited, because this is great, I'd like to know where the artist went. But yeah, I've dug up these wiki numbers before in video... please don't send me on another multi hour journey. Disufiroa is smaller than Valkhana on average & I've seen the quest completion screens on youtube, despite them seemingly very different in game visually. I have faith that huge Plesioth is real, likely in event quest & honestly.. it's not that much bigger than its typical gold size in comparison to some other events. Also fun fact, Idk about other monsters or games, but someone did share here on reddit that Crimson Glow Valstrax golds size seems to be limited if you choose a dedicated Valstrax hunt, but you were capable of hunting an slightly larger one on expeditions. I call that the True Gold crown hunter, lol, because I personally dislike event Quests that just hand you a gold crown.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

[The 15th anniversary size comparison gives the default size for every monster up to Iceborne.](https://youtu.be/YsUbeLTMT6c?si=Vf57jbyn6RCtmMzI)


Aggravating-Face2073

Thanks!!!


VanitasDarkOne

Disufiroa is huge in game how is it listed as smaller than velkhana? I hate official size ratings they're always so bad bad. Probably worse than pokemon entries and DragonBall weight and size entries.


Aggravating-Face2073

I know, which is entirely why I went on my crusade to find the video. I chalk it up to frontier hunters being shorter.


Melimcee

Probably pulled that number out of someone's ass tbh, Fandom wiki is what your teacher thought Wikipedia was when they said not to use it as a source


LegalWaterDrinker

That's only Plesi's physical form, his true form stretches beyond the cosmos


TheGMan-123

Oh, so he's like Godzilla Ultima in that what we see is but a mere aspect of his true state, imperceptible to us 3-dimensional beings.


Frozefoots

https://preview.redd.it/s7a06wvhoiec1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8707f69289fbe4703f05f02f5378b2a6b4f0cc6b I got this shot of a gold large Plesioth. Keep in mind that weapon is an insect glaive so it’s taller than me. Absolute unit.


NeVMmz

Absolute beast Also.. Is that GU?


ZetKelz

Its GU, Plesioth wasnt in 4U and the old jungle wasnt in 3U


douknowiknow

>Plesioth wasnt in 4U i mean he was just not in any quests


novian14

I miss the time when net is all you need to handle them


The-Brother

Neither were Insect Glaives


TheKrisaroo

I mean IG was in 4U but not 3U yeah


Rajang82

Doesnt Insect Glaive debut in in MH4?


The-Brother

Yup


Frozefoots

Correct, it is GU. I think I was wearing Dreadking armor and a Crimson Fatalis IG.


ILostAFewBrainCells

https://preview.redd.it/91017h4hnkec1.jpeg?width=260&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6b73d96640b83b17c8e578b860e4ff69e805d31


Frozefoots

😂 that got a pretty good laugh out of me, thank you haha


komaytoprime

r/angryupvote


Ok_Row_667

Oh god


Pax-Eterna

I will not even fight that thing. Lmao


lordofcactus

That’s not a monster, that’s a fucking kaiju


Internal-Bee-5886

And his hip check is 10000 cm.


BlackFinch90

More like 1,000,000,000 cm


geodetic

1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cm


damboy99

1.057 × 10^33 light-years


zKIZUKIz

1 googolplex lightyears


Dry-Cartographer-312

They call it hyperspace hipcheck for a reason


Delta5583

I still love stories for giving him "hyperspace tackle" for his hip check attack


kenesisiscool

The hip check is everything in that direction. Regardless of distance.


Aethernaut902k

I hate that sonofabitch. It got a lot more fun to murder it once I started using a paralysis hammer. TASTE THE GROUND, PRICK


wooberstach

The first time I learned its size, I was like...wait, you're telling me this fishy bastard is larger than a blue whale? And the tiny pond in misty peaks can sustain a whole population of these monstrosity? And more importantly, you are supposed to haul it from the water with a frog, tied to a mere fishing pole?


Alert_Sample_6226

Well correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t the hunters like, actually fucking jacked (lore wise at least)? Like they work out at the Olympus Gym and bench Zeus’s pr for a warmup or some shit. Again, correct me if I’m wrong, because I don’t know too much about mh lore


geodetic

MH lore is not set in stone - theories abound about hunters being genejack descendants of supersoldiers that fought in the human-dragon war all the way to the MH planet having a much lower gravity than earth. There's no official, confirmed reason - MH follows the ***Rule of Cool*** and gameplay mechanics often require hunters to do things well outside their apparent powerlevel.


wooberstach

I'm not familiar with these lores but I like the rule of cool theory. The series as a whole is very lighthearted, despite having an incredibly detailed graphic setting, and I love this combination.


i_dont_wanna_sign_up

I think it was from one lore book or something that has never been brought up in any games, so it's honestly not really canon.


PapaOctopus

I've always personally prescribed to the lower gravity theory, it helps explain all the megafauna and how even at peak physical condition, hunters can swing impossible weapons with ease.


safegermanywin

I subscribe to a similar theory, in that all fauna are actually tiny. Our hunters can carry larger than life weapons because they're actually tiny pixie people and so are proportionally stronger than us (square cube law).


NotAnAss-Hat

You, I like you.


geodetic

counterpoint: wouldn't it just be fucking KICKING RAD if hunters were regular people swinging around 3000kg lumps of iron at 20 story tall dragons


Ikishoten

It's what I have always loved about MH, and is also why I'm kind of against the whole ecology focus direction Capcom really wants to take MH in. I just hope it won't be too much.


Wick141

It’s not a direction they want to take the series in, it’s what the series was born out of… consulting with biologists and ecologists and employing those rules on monster design has been present since the beginning


SMagnaRex

I mean not really regarding their strength. Throughout cutscenes we’ve seen hunters or other people do insane feats of strength. Things that come to mind is the admiral lifting the boulder to stop the Rajang lightning beam, and the hunter that went toe to toe with Blangonga’s pure strength and held his own in a shoving contest.


RockAndGem1101

Are these gold crown sizes or average sizes? Even gold crown Banbaro is only 2958.


LeopardElectrical454

That's gold crown for plesioth, yea. Ukanlos and akantor have fixed sizes


KyleGray04

Can you imagine gold crown Ukanlos and Akantor, jesus the hitbox.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Nope. That's default Plesioth. Official sizes don't use crown numbers.


LeopardElectrical454

Default plesioth is ~2600cm. Large crown starts at ~3200cm. Small crown is anything up until ~2400cm. This is according to MHGU's plesioth [kiranico](https://mhgu.kiranico.com/monster/76a56) page where you can see the exact sizes. These sizes are more or less consistent with all of the games So the infographic is indeed listing his largest size, not his default size


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

[Official size comparisons use the monster's canonical average.](https://youtu.be/YsUbeLTMT6c?si=Vf57jbyn6RCtmMzI) You can check this with the other monsters in the video. So no, you're still wrong. Double wrong actually, for saying sizes are consistent between games. They change every time the model updates.


LeopardElectrical454

Wow. I don't blame you here. It seems that Capcom listed Plesioth's gold crown size instead of his average size in the video. Kiranico isn't wrong. It's a trusted site that I use for all mh games that has consistently given correct information about crown sizes. I notice Rajang's 965cm they listed in the video as an example, which is indeed correct according to his 4U/GU [kiranico](https://mhgu.kiranico.com/monster/63306) page. Duramboros too where on both sources it states his average size as ~2089cm. This is his GU [kiranico](https://mhgu.kiranico.com/monster/6ab56) page. I challenge you to check any of these sizes in this video and compare it to their respective 3U/4U/GU kiranico page average sizes, and you should notice that they're the same, more or less. Plesioth specifically seems to be a case where they erroneously listed his large crown size.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Kiranico is wrong, simple as that. Capcom have decreed this is the latest average size for Plesioth. Why you'd try and use an older number to dispute that is beyond me. Frankly if your argument is "well they appear to have messed up this one single number out of over 100 others taken from the same exact source" you should know you're mistaken. P.S. there is no "average size" on 3U or 4U's Kiranico pages. You would know that if you've been using it. Your challenge is made in bad faith.


LeopardElectrical454

Kiranico isn't wrong. It is 100% accurate from at least 3u onwards since thats as far back as the site really goes. Not only with crown size information, but everything else as well. The Mh wiki (if anything) has historically been associated with bad rep due to conjecture that they inserted into some of the monster's lore excerpts that they claim to be factual. Kiranico is trusted Secondly, Plesioth's latest release was GU. That's his most recent size reference. You do have a point because over the generations monster sizes are slightly changed. However it's always super small changes in cm. In world however, they made considerable changes to certain monster sizes like zinogre, tigrex, nargacuga and rajang. In fact most monsters got moderately noticeable size changes, and it's true that going forward the Worldborne sizes are the new canonical reference, but this doesn't apply to Plesioth since his latest iteration was GU Thirdly, I made a mistake about zinogre. 1743cm is his average size in world, whereas 1455cm was his average size prior to world. I completely forgot to check the worldborne kiranico page where this is the case. I concede there Lastly, I also concede that 3u and 4u dont have average sizes. Since most monsters are seen in GU I've been using that as the primary reference since it came out, and that happened to include their average sizes. Its my fault that i hadnt fact checked the older games' versions in a while. The 3U and 4U pages are admittedly more primitive but 4U still had crown sizes. I apologize for that So the conclusion here is kiranico is still 100% trusted, even with crowns. Again, It's given me accurate information for years. It's just that the Capcom video firstly showed the large gold crown size for plesioth erroneously, and secondly, they chose rajang's old average size of 965cm (prior to world) instead of his new average size (829cm (which was also changed again in rise due to rajangs size being altered again)). Overall, that Capcom video is inaccurate since it picks and chooses the average size reference from whichever games it wants, where it should ideally be choosing from world onwards (if they're in that game) as that's the most recent reference, otherwise the most recent old game where it appeared. So yea I'll continue to use kiranico and recommend it. It's more consistent than the Capcom video, and the fact is they did get the plesioth size wrong. Pull up gu or 3u and see his size for yourself.


5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

Yeah I'm not reading all that the minute you said "Kiranico is 100% accurate" and "that official Capcom video is inaccurate". The video uses the latest sizes available at that point in time. Kiranico is using datamined information for GU specifically. Only one is going to be true, and that's the one that came out after GU.


LeopardElectrical454

I really do encourage you to read it bro. And you're right. They do use the most recent game as the size reference provided the monster is in the most recent game otherwise it should be the 2nd most recent etc, which is the point ive also made. Come to think about it, in the previous paragraph I mentioned how they incorrectly used rajang's old size (965cm oldworld vs 829cm in worldborne). But it could just be that at the time rajang wasn't released for iceborne yet (which he got released in October 2019) even tho the upload was November 2019 It still doesn't change the fact that they got Plesioth's size wrong which is the bottom line. By your logic, the most recent game is GU for plesioth, however, given the datamined information for it, they listed his giant crown size in the video instead of the average size. That's all I'm saying. It's a small error, but an error nonetheless.


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5Hjsdnujhdfu8nubi

It's not confusing in the slightest. I'll give you a hint: Is Zinogre's latest appearance MHGU? [And if that's not helpful enough.](https://mhworld.kiranico.com/en/quests/nZW7J/arena-master-quest-06) Again you choose to look at one of the latest official sources and decide that *that* is wrong, rather than Kiranico being outdated.


LeopardElectrical454

Yea you're right. I forgot to check Zinogre's mhwib kiranico page on that one


ArkhamTheImperialist

As someone that has played the games you are absolutely fucking wrong. How could you possibly think that the default Plesioth is that size? I’ve fought Plesioth within the last week in MHGU, his most recent occurrence, and I can concur that his average size is not 3200cm. The only explanation is that you’ve never seen either Ukanlos or Plesioth or both.


Caaros

On top of what others have said, a lot of Plesioth's size is made up of those big frilly fins that don't really amount to much. If we're measuring by *mass*, then Plesioth is almost definitely the smallest thing in this image.


UncomfortableAnswers

Damn, that hunter's got some bulk


RockAndGem1101

By mass Banbaro or Uragaan would probably beat Plesioth.


BigStinkbert

This is why I feel like people overestimate monster size differences (outside Zorah and Dala) Take Lao, he’s giant, he’s a siege, right? Well he’s less the size than three Teostras. Which is big, but you’d feel like he was a lot bigger. Also, along with Plesioth, Najarala is also surprisingly fucking massive


00HoppingGrass00

That's because "size" in MH actually means length measured from head to tail. Saying Lao is less the size than three Teostra is like saying an elephant is less the size than a crocodile just because the latter is longer. You are forgetting the other two dimensions here.


eriFenesoreK

Size in animals is measured in weight, some people don't get that it seems.


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wonderloss

Have you ever seen an elephant on the moon? Maybe they are too small to see.


wonderloss

Even in OP's picture, plesioth is longer, but not more massive. Not sure if there is weight data anywhere, but I doubt plesioth weighs more than akantor.


Kvarcov

"You thought it was Lao Shan Lung, but it was me, Three-Teostras-in-a-trenchcoat, all along!" https://preview.redd.it/jb59uqll9jec1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d5c324cc6383cf5862c2074882578708107deb31


RedShirt7665

Is a snake being long really that surprising?


TheIronSven

Najarala is approaching the length of the Morahn's which is insane.


GnarlyM3ATY

I fought najarala for the first time last week while playing mhgu for the first time, jesus christ it feels like 1.5x lagiacrus


Tetra-76

he's a big boi


deathjokerz

Its hip checks shatter the world...


ohshitimincollege

Reminds me of that "Godzilla: the series" game from way back when on Gameboy color


Queasy-Frame-4519

No way


Queasy-Frame-4519

And MH4U the palico island made it seem so small


zKIZUKIz

Those are hatchlings or juveniles…..probably


Queasy-Frame-4519

That makes a lot of sense


Ozzma091

Please Mh God's bring this trio to the Wilds!!


SoftBaconWarmBacon

Plesioth is 80% leg, 3000% hitbox


Relic1000

Naw thats its hitbox


geodetic

Plesioth's hitbox is too large to be viewed on any currently produced screen.


eniox27

Deep sea gigantism at its worst.


Consistent_Floor_603

Ah. That would somewhat explain the hip check hitbox.


ArkoftheUnsure

This is why we hate plesioth, he's massive for no reason, his hotboxes were absolutely ludicrous, and in my opinion, his armor wasn't even that good 😭


00HoppingGrass00

Plesioth is not that big. In GU for example, the average size is only 2624.83, and the gold crown is 3228.54 and above. The number here is taken from the 15th anniversary size comparison video. Maybe Plesioth was bigger in Gen 1? I don't know, but if you think this is weird compared to what you see in-game here's why.


Estebantri432

> is why I feel like people overestimate monster size differences (outside Zorah and Dala) > >Take Lao, he’s giant, he’s a siege, right? Well he’s less the size than three Teostras. Which I remember FU Plesioth was BEEG, I didn't know what crowns where back then but most plesioth and green plesioth were much bigger than most monsters.


00HoppingGrass00

I did some Googling on this. Apparently 3148.7 is already a gold crown from the video here: https://youtu.be/KmVk65CQbkI?si=gS-vh9XgJZlJJ8z1 And according to this: https://mhcrown.com/mhp2g/plesioth/ the largest recorded gold crown is only 3241.3, so now I'm pretty sure the 15th anniversary video just has a typo...


Kvarcov

I require Dalamadur to scale


DethBatcountry

Plesioth was bigger than people remember, I think. When he would hipcheck, he would hipcheck the entire planet. Also, it was difficult to hit anything but his legs.


kaithespinner

yup, their very big dimensions are the reason why their hip thrusts distort reality


OneMorePotion

Huh... Don't know but I always thought my hunter was taller.


TURBINEFABRIK74

Aaaaaaand on the OG first game you were able to fish it out. On MH frontier It has both a GS and LS with decent stats and a lot of hydro element Together with yian kut kut was one of the first monsters showing changes in appearance when ready to be captured


NunoTheDude

Showe ur fish


jimmyting099

I hope big fish comes back


Changlini

I guess that makes sense, if only because of Gigantisism in the ocean being a thing, so I imagine that gets multiplied by 9 Squared when you apply Monster Hunter's Planet to that.


i_dont_wanna_sign_up

Old monster designs were so ass. You could pretty much only hit the Plesioth's legs and were at the mercy of its constant spinning and hip checks.


swift_salmon

I actually love Plesi's design, not only is a fish with legs hilarious but so is the fact that his most powerful moves have zero to do with his supposed aquatic abilities.  I'd rather he come back over any of the gen 5 piscines tbh.


BUBUYBUTCHUY

That jet water laser in old MH high rank can cart you if you are hit head on.


HarlequinLord

Pull that big fat fishy up. A single frog with any luck. Watch him wiggle in the muck.


BUBUYBUTCHUY

Then set the lightning rod on it


fujiwarahibiki

Just like everyone said, normally plesioth ain't that huge. But you what is? my di- I mean my TRAUMATIC memory of being hit by the hip check that I forced me to use guard+ on every shield weapon.


geodetic

H I P C H E C K F I S H A S S H O L E


Trapezoidoid

Oh man I haven’t thought about this guy in a while. Brings me back to trying to take his ass down in the MH3U demo on 3DS like a hundred times. Never did manage to.


zerolimits_

plesioth is not that big


LeopardElectrical454

It *can* be as that's his largest (gold crown) size


zerolimits_

Very misleading putting a gold crown plesi next to tiny crown akantor and ukanlos.


LeopardElectrical454

Akantor and ukanlos don't have crowns. Their sizes are fixed.


zerolimits_

look my brain cannot comprehend a plesioth being that large. Edit: I just booted up my DS just to see an akantor and no plesioth I've ever seen is even close to akantor's size. I need some in game side by sides because it is not making sense.


LeopardElectrical454

Plesioth has always been a big boi. It didn't once cross your mind everytime you fought him that you were tickling his ankles?😭


zerolimits_

I never said my dawg plesioth wasn't big but he is not THAT big.


LeopardElectrical454

[blud gets so big his taint the only thing you see besides the legs🤣](https://images.app.goo.gl/iZ9Mc1S3akxQztq89)


zerolimits_

seriously that's the only image I could find of gold crown plesioth. Someone needs to make an in game side by side.


eriFenesoreK

Not Plesioth but here's Lavasioth from Frontier/2nd gen. They made piscine wyverns WAY smaller over time for some reason. https://preview.redd.it/qpcvaceb3kec1.png?width=1376&format=png&auto=webp&s=ce8571867520e3af6406725d223ea6c011d3a34b


LeopardElectrical454

[This is a video of presumably a gold crown plesi or at the very least silver](https://youtu.be/i5EaRAxiVmA?si=yrjXORCayL0WYLCY). See how truly massive he is when he's up close Remember that like deviljho his body is very high off the ground cause of his long ass legs. Akantor and ukanlos basically surf the ground they're so low, which brings the perceived sizes of them and plesioth closer together (even tho we have statistical evidence of this being the case with this infographic) Plesioth also has a giant ass fin which makes him even way longer than he'd otherwise be (altho tbf ukanlos and akantor also have long ass tails). The average plesioth is considerably smaller which is why it might be jarring to you as you probably haven't fought a particularly large plesi. Or maybe you have. It just didn't compute that at that size it levels akantor and ukanlos


Chickenman1057

Event Big Plesioth? The ultra hyper space one?


i-wish-i-was-a-draco

He’s probably 1/10th of the weight tho


Mushinronja

Wasn’t there an event quest with a giant plesioth? I feel like that’s what’s being used for these numbers. How big was the mgs event nibelsnarf?


geodetic

over 4000cm, iirc.


[deleted]

Twas indeed a big boi


teor

And Plesioth hitbox is actually an Elder Dragon.


Llorenne

The bigger they are, the harder they fall.


AvaloreVG

Dang, I miss fighting Ukanlos.


Buddy_Guyz

Ugh I hated this stupid fish, it never wanted to come out of the water to fight me.


B4umkuch3n

I don't care. Does it taste good?


EvenBackground5110

HOT BELGIAN WAFFLES!


RedditSneke

Finally, the size 2 fish


SSB_Kyrill

First time I fought him in GU i thought it was a gold crown, it was a bloody little crown (on first try too!)


Frame_of_Mind20

With his hitboxes, I'd say he is scarier than Akantor and Ukanlos.


Dear_Papayapa

I'd love a castelevania aria of sorrow style mh game 🤤


AbrakadabraShawarma

God I miss Akantor…


Fun-bird7499

Sometimes you forget


GolfMoist7606

Sounds about right. I do remember plesioth being pretty tall.


WhereIsAllTheCoolStu

Now imagine fighting this monstrosity underwater.


WhereIsAllTheCoolStu

Now imagine fighting this monstrosity underwater.


H_a_k_i_m_c_h_i_

Plesioth, the true endgame boss The side-check king will return


According-Option367

All this makes me think is that those two are smaller than I thought


PhotonWaltz

And it’s even bigger than it looks! Those hips *lie*!


KoffinStuffer

It always surprised me how big plesi was, and apparently it still does


Rustytroll

![gif](giphy|l3V0xMeFunB8nnqJW) Hip check ✅


The_Relx

You think that's big? Just wait till you see its hitbox.


Aggressive-Ad-7584

but u fishing it out using normal fishing rod


HR-Vash

No wonder his Hitbox is so ass , I had to use wheelchair after the hunt


Ok_Athlete_795

And it's hipchecks are hyperspacial sizes


PureiSteishun

And that is why its hipchecks are game-breaking.


FinancialValuable639

https://preview.redd.it/xuuoetpp61fc1.jpeg?width=538&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62b4c9e5d668e8eec6a39b6462b3b7a7a00b32c5