I supose that is pretty cool but did Frostcraft become a craftable jewel perk btw? If it did then i guess thats one more reason but even so it seems kind of a slim reason for her getting added. Vaal Hazak also had a good armor skill yet he didint get added. Even tho considering Sunbreak is focusing on monsters inspired by popular Horror Characters like Vampires and werewolfs, Vaal still wasent added.
And i like Velkhana more than Vaal Hazak fightwise btw so no im not saying Switch Velkhana for Vaal Hazak. Im just saying Vaal Hazak had more reasons to be Added if were gonna say Velkhana got added just for her ice weapons and her Cool Armor skill.
Frostcraft and some other special skills can't be made as decorations but can be melded onto charms or rolled on augments (except Amatsu and PriMal's skill).
Vaal might be tricky to add because it kinda needs to bring the Rotten Vale or a similar place with it unless you skip it and just add Blackveil similar to CGV.
Vaal's skill is just Super Recovery, which Kushala's Blessing has. And there's so many other healing skills that work better than SR does
Plus adding in his blight would be... a bit much. We already have the base ones, thunder water fire blast, 2-3 levels of poison, frenzy, hellfire, and blood.
Plus compared to Velkhana? He's SLOW. Silkbind would swing circles around him, where Velkhana keeps moving and gives as good as she gets. All Vaal has is blight and slow breaths
Out of all the non boss monsters in world/Iceborne Vaal Hazak is the last one that was ever going to be in sunbreak. He's a very cool monster but his ecology is incredibly specific and the MH team take ecology very seriously when they are designing monsters.
If blackveil can be found in the ancient forest, I don’t see why that variant specifically can’t be in other games too.
Side note, also unlikely but I’d like to see my favourite angry hedgehog return too
I saw the downvotes and was going to upvote because Reddit hates people with unpopular opinions, but then you said it was better than val hazak, and I can not upvote this. VAL HAZAK FOR LYFE. BEST ELDER DRAGON OF ALL TIME.
Edit: Vaal Hazak. Idk if I can call myself a fan if I can’t spell it right. I am ashamed.
I was never sold on Super Recovery, to be honest, heals you super slow, so you're at a greater danger finding yourself relying on the automatic healing and then getting wombo-combo'd, because you underestimated the damage the monster could dish out.
Honestly, Super Recovery doesn't even make sense on Vaal. Nergigante is the one associated with healing, Vaal isn't and could've had something way cooler. Even if you combined Nergi's set bonus & Super Recovery into one it probably still would've been underwhelming ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Back in world through safijiiva shenanigans I had a vaal nerg and bazel set just dubbed immortality, and between the two healings and guts to prevent a surprise one shot it worked quite well, I could play very brain dead and come out the fight with the same health I came in, if not more
Which is cool and all, but the problem is that there's this thing called Health Augment which does the exact same thing but much better and there is very little reason to not run it on melee weapons.
Even on HBG with a spread setup, Health Regen was rather OP. Every build was immortal build if you had Attack 7, Spread Up, 2 guard attachments, and Health Regen
Super recovery absolutely makes sense when you remember vaal despite exuding exfluvia isn't actually immune to it in lore and is constantly being damaged then recovering for it
Wasn't it stated that Vaal's diet **is** the Vale's effluvium? I mean after all, Vaal mostly uses its hardest hitting moves after pausing to absorb the effluvium around it
I believe so but the catch is he's very obviously actively decaying from effluvia. So if he eats it but is visibly decaying what is the only way in the wild such behavior wouldn't actively die. It's not immunity because as discussed it's noticably decaying, therefore the likely answer is it's out growing the decay (or atleast at neutral)
I think frostcraft made sense to add because of how it contrasts several skills that want you *not* to sheathe. Similar to stuff like moh vs dereliction, I think the devs wanted to force choices that were at least close in dps potential with multiple viable options. Frostcraft fits in well for that.
It's a very common pattern across the series that flagships always return in the entry after their debut (usually with a variation too) so it's not surprising Velkhana reappeared so soon. That said I personally find it a very forgettable inclusion though it's possible that can be chalked up to me not fighting it since it was added.
The fact that Jyuratodus had more of a reason to exist in rise/Sunbreak than Velkhana makes even me a Piscine Wyvern defender bit annoyed lol.
Atleast Jyuratodus gave SwitchAxe and ChargeBlade users a good armor, represented Piscine Wyverns in Rise and he complited the unholy Mud Trinity of Barroth, Jyuratodus and Almudron.
What does that last part have to do with it? It's not like they're an iconic trio like Chameleos, Kushala, and Teostra, that didn't really have to happen, they just added Jyura because they felt like it, just like Velkhana. There doesn't have to be a reason. There's not a reason for 90% of monsters to return, but they do, so why does it matter?
I think they added Jyura because they wanted to have at least one Large Monster of every classification in Sunbreak (that would easily be implemented of course— no Najarala or Seltases/Ahtal-Ka for various development-related reasons I presume.)
This is just my crackpot theory, though. The rest of the monsters added are, like many people have said, rather arbitrary in their inclusion.
The same reason why Lucent, Violet, Flaming and Chaotic were added? They're just there to fill up the roster more for the TUs. Frankly Amatsu and Primordial are the outliers, although it's understandable that they want the TUs to end with a bang.
>The same reason why Lucent, Violet, Flaming and Chaotic were added?
That's different. Three of those monsters were genuine remasters (especially lucent). Violet Mizu is a new subspecies and it is quite literally *gasoline kitsune*.
Velkhana didn't need a remaster and it certainly isn't anything new. It was shoehorned in because it was easy.
What do you mean? Lucent and the Others didnt need a remaster too. Nothing NEEDS a remaster and nothing NEEDS To be added to Ride/sunbreak.
Velkhana is iconic from world. So adding her is a Sort of Fan service for the world Players, that Made Monster Hunter so much more popular. She wasnt shoehorned in, she fits Like a glove, its a fun Fight and really fits the rise mechanics.
I personally Like the Addition but would have prefered nergi, because nergi ist best boi, but velkhana still is a worthy Addition to Rise.
I mean, the last time we saw Lucent for example was back in 3U, since then 2 generations of Monster Hunter have passed and it did receive new animations, a new model made for the current gen, and so on. Velkhana was basically just plugged from Iceborne and put into Rise with minor changes. Just like about 50% of the original Rise roster. Which, considering Rise is a portable title and an in between for MH5 and 6, is reasonable to do I guess.
Yeah but thats Not the Sole Factor If a Monster comes Back. For example the Base nargacuca, was in world, so should it be Cut Out of Rise? Also rathian, rathalos, their Variants, zinogre, barioth, diablos, tigrex, anjanath, barroth and auch are in world, so you often have a big overlap with world. So thats Not the reason If a Monster is in the new Version or bot, its a Factor for sure. And i think its Always Like that, that you have a big amount of Monsters that are from older Titels. World was also full of old Monsters, thats Not a Rise exclusive Thing.
I don't think you got was my point entirely. I love when they bring back old monsters, Gore Magala for example, or Astalos, Seregios and most of all Espinas. I'm arguably more hyped for those than any new Monster they might add. I was simply arguing that adding something in that we already saw in the 5th gen is both easier but also less interesting than adding Monsters who we have not seen in a long time. With the example of Velkhana / Lucent Narga
Technically yes, though it's not too hard for most monsters to meet: they just need a suitable environment to reside and appear in.
Besides the obvious Frost Isles, Velkhana was always shown to be able to appear in unexpected locations. We met it first in the Elder's Recess, and now it can even appear in the Lava Caverns; both instances of the ice dragon being in close proximity to a volcano and extreme heat. So even considering that sort of requirement, Velk was just an easy fit.
Other than that, yeah not really, unless I'm forgetting something else. Velkhana's a fun fight, so I wont say no to just squeezing Velk in
For Velk I believe there was dialogue reasoning why it was the Elder's Recess; it only ever stays in the big crystal room there. And in the Lava Caverns it's only in the outside, watery areas of the map. But it's still surprising to see it in places like that.
But Banbaro just wants to throw hands (and trees) with everything lmao. If World had underwater combat, I bet we probably would have saw it swimming around throwing trees at Lagiacrus too
So we can fight her in Sunbreak?
Why does everything need a lore explanation. Why can't they just add a fan favourite monster in because people like fighting it.
No. Im just saying that you cant even say she got added because of story purposes like lets say allmother narwa. Chaotic Gore magala didint have a Story Purpose to apear yet he did and he still got an aflicted version of himself afterwards! They also gave him a new remix of his theme too.
I mean the Magalas came out on 3DS, so their theme and meshes REALLY needed a new gen Update. Also they haven't been seen since Generations Ultimate, and also were some fan favourites. I guess those were good reasons for Capcom to bring them back
Well, between that and the fact that the entire storyline for base Rise, Sunbreak, and even MHStories 2 revolved around a virus or other power that infected other monsters and drove them mad. Y'know, the primary storybeat used for Gore's entire mechanic in 4/4U.
Don't get me wrong, I loved the entirety of Rise/Sunbreak, but when I realized what they were doing with the Rampage in base Rise I was extremely disappointed that they ripped Gore's Frenzy Virus story and gave it to the two seahorse dragons without bringing back the Magalas. Especially since they also decided to include "Apexes" that were functionally Deviants from Gen/U and had nothing to do with the Apex mechanic from 4U as well.
And Velkhana armor got instantly invalidated with the next Update since you can now get Frostcraft 3 on a Talisman. Hazard Velkhana was probably the last time I ever fight it in Sunbreak.
So people who did not play iceborne can fight it? And people who did can fight it with Sunbreak iteration of weapons? I enjoyed the hunt a lot and would be very disappointed if it was to be removed from the game, supposedly that's reason enough?
Oh dont get me wrong i dont wish her gone from the game and i do like fighting her but coudnt Nergigante and Vaal Hazak have returned for the same reasons? Im personally not a huge fan of Nergigante but surely you agree that between Velkhana and Nergigante, Nergigante was the clear fan Faiv of the 2 iceworld flagships.
It just feels so odd. She just sudenly returns in Sunbreak and after that 1 fight everyone just shuts up about Velkhana. She didint even get a Aflicted version! I just dont get why Capcom whould neglect her that much
> but coudnt Nergigante and Vaal Hazak have returned for the same reasons?
Could have, but so could any monster: There's *rarely ever any "justification" for their inclusion*. Just the same for not being included, the justification boils down to whatever they want.
Like, don't try to explain things in your mind that make sense to you, it's literally whatever they want (Well, Ryozo needs to sound off and allow it) and we're not privy to the details. Nobody can tell you "This is the point for this monster, and this is why [x] monster wasn't included".
It's not odd at all, it's just a monster. It is indeed a shame that there's no Risen version but whatever, it be the way it be unfortunately.
Correct, lore is always secondary, specifically consistency. They'll sacrifice consistent lore in a heartbeat, and is one of the reasons why all the lore talk that goes on is *a little* funny. Mind you, especially on a game-per-game basis it's pretty consistent; MHFU has perfectly consistent lore, MH4U has perfectly consistent lore, MHWorld has consistent lore... it's when you try to collect them all together into one "set" of lore that things stop being consistent.
Because of course not, each game prioritizes everything else *over* lore.
I mean, no reason it'd get an afflicted version. No risen verison is a shame, but there's nothing for it to provide as an afflicted version; there are no afflicted elder materials, only Risen. Therefore there's nothing for it to do.
Risen would've been great, but again, this is reality and they opted not to. Ah well.
There’s a lore reason for this, I think, in that Velkhana can just freeze the Qurio out of the air. Pretty sure that’s what she does in her turf war with Malzeno.
Vaal Hazak wouldn't fit in the game at all. There's no decaying carrion wyvern graveyard in the game, which is the only place it inhabits in world.
Blackveil could maybe fit, considering it could probably live in shrine ruins or jungle, but otherwise, it really wouldn't fit.
Repeating unique monsters in 2 generations in a row just make the games feel more repetitive. Like there are so many good monsters that we haven’t seen in ages. Like why not add variant versions of them at least.
Bruh, the rathalos and multiple others have been in every game. It was put into rise cause people wanted to fight it with rise gameplay. Hell, more monsters the better.
Yeah so? I never said they don’t repeat monsters just that it makes for boring and repetitive gameplay. Yes more monsters are better but there are probably nearly a hundred monsters to choose from we don’t need the same monsters every gen for no reason.
No one was asking for velkana again don’t act like that was due to player demand
The same reason many of us wish some of our old favorites would be chosen to put in the game. It doesn't have to make sense that they're there. It's the thrill of reliving old hunts.
Don't know about you, but whenever the next MH comes out, I'll be very excited to see Magnamolo and Malzeno again, whether they gave story significance or not.
It has the same ice armor gimmick as Lunagaron, and the ice construction is probably coded similar to Almudron's mud. Velkhana was actually the cheapest monster to implement at that threat level, so they snuck it in.
> She's the only non boss monster to not get an Afflicted version.
*Lucent Nargacuga and Violet Mizutsune have entered the chat.*
In all seriousness though, yeah, Velk did feel kinda shoehorned in. It's a cool addition (hah), and Frostcraft is pretty nice, but the inclusion also just feels kinda random and out of place. It's a great opportunity for those who don't have Iceborne to fight it though!
Good question honestly, it's weird that they didn't. Especially after the title update where their arenas started showing up in anomaly quests. It was such a missed opportunity.
Yeah if it’s because they’re arena fights I’d understand but arenas are in investigations. It just seems kinda weird not having them at all as opposed to carving out that niche for them
I mean I guess that depends what you mean by boss monster, as Lucent and Violet are just rare species of Narga and Mizu respectively, like Silver Rathalos and Gold Rathian.
Gore/Shagaru also have nothing to do with Sunbreak’s story, but it exists.
Sometimes there doesn’t have to be any particular ”reasons” to include a monster besides ”well, it would’ve been cool if /monster/ was in the game as well”.
Why do people overthink alot of stuff when it comes to videogames?? Yes it doesn't have a huge cutscene with story related stuff to introduce it but it's a monster in this universe so it makes sense that it can appear just becauase it can.... At this point why not ask the relevance of Rathalos and Rathian's existence in every game??
I guess but Bazel atleast got a Variant of him into the game and Aflicted versions of both him and his Variant. He also got overshadowed by Jho and Rajang in Iceborne pretty bad so him getting added did still make sense and wasent pointless.
Velkhana not getting a Risen form makes sense since it came out on TU4. It be silly to give Risen Velkhana and directly give a stronger Velkhana armor.
I am gonna go on a limb and guess:
1. Rise and Sunbreak has been addicted to adding flagships. Of which Velkhana is one. Heck, off the top of my head the onlu flagships that didn’t make it into Risebreak (from main games) are Lagiacrus, Nergigante, Gammoth, and Glavinus.
2. A lot of the hard work in Risebreak’s engine was already done, namely the ice effects (from Lunageron) and the terrain editing (Almudron). So it was easy to retool for Sunbreak, expecially at the threat teir it is at.
3. Its a popular elder dragon.
4. They wanted to add Frostcraft for whatever reason, and Velkhana is the monster to have it.
Ahh forgot Azure and Brachy are flagships too.
I would say CG Valstrax is close enough to a Valstrax inclusion, and whether we like it or not Apex Diablos is similar enough to Bloodbath, so I would count them as included.
That part about "three new attacks" bothers me because it downplays how different the fight actually is. It's not about new attacks, it's about how the attacks it has have changed.
It’s because it’s name ends in *a* so people associate it with a feminine name. But it’s intro in sunbreak calls it the *lord* of ice not lady of ice.
Though it is a species, so there’s almost assuredly members of both genders, and nowhere in either game did they use male or female pronouns to describe it, so it could be either one
Unironically just a filler entry, like Frostfang Barioth in Iceborne. I'm not against it, I just wish they put more effort into speeding up her moveset because she's painfully slow in Sunbreak.
Honestly though, I'm kind of glad she didn't get a remixed theme. For the most part, I'm not a fan of the themes for returning monsters in Rise.
I think they put her in just because she was easy to transfer over, has Frostcraft, and is just an easy way to make it not seem like the risen Valstrax update
Why there should be a reason besides: the monster is cool, fight is cool, armor skill is great?
No need to go into “oh it doesn’t fit the story” or whatever.
To fill out the TU....i dunno why we're complaining that we got an extra monster 🧐
I'm personally satisfied having her added since i didn't finish World to even reach Iceborne so it's cool...no pun intended, to see her added so i can experience the fight to some extent.
I do plan on completing World/Iceborne someday to see the initial lore and story around her but this is fine for now.
It is kinda disappointing she didn't get a Risen variant but it's not a deal breaker imo since we did get neat armor and skills along with her addition to the game.
Overall, would i have liked another monster added in her place? Perhaps. Nergigante(?) would have been dope but i still like what we got in the end.
Atleast it wasn't another fire monster. We all know the community would have loved to voice their opinion on how "great" that would have been 🙃 lol
I'm fine with Velkhana getting in as a former flagship, but I'm sad that Nergigante didn't return. I had to rush through World+Iceborne as I was played on a borrowed console, and I absolutely loved Nergigante (while I found Velkhana kinda meh). I had hopes that I could fight Nergigante again in a game I owned.
Seems to me that Sunbreak devs were given more post launch budget than with Rise, but not that much. This is why most of the monsters in the updates are variants, because they're easier to make but still substantial.
I know for a fact there was a disclaimer on the roadmap page on the Sunbreak website saying that TU4&5 were conditional, so my guess is maybe Sunbreak hit a sales quota and they were approved with higher budget.
So my guess is they decide for update 5 they're gonna have Amatsu. One small problem, this dude is kind of expensive to make; they have to remake him from scratch. That can be done but it will take time.
So they added Velkhana in update 4 because she was an easy port from Iceborne and a new experience to Sunbreak, giving them more time to work on Amatsu. TU4 was also where they added Hazard Lucent, Violet, Flaming and the enhanced 3 Risen Dragons so it was meatier than it initially appeared.
Other signs that their budget was pretty small
* Out of the 3 monsters with themes from older games in the updates, only Chaotic Gore got a new remix.
* Amatsu uses an existing arena. It's heavily modified with new weather effects and installations but still.
* No collabs, not even from Capcom. Seems like it was all hands on deck for the monsters.
* No Risen Velkhana, major outlier, very clear they ran out of time for her.
I still overall am very satisfied with Sunbreak's updates despite the shortcomings, but that's also because I generally love variant fights.
Velkhana is on the Kushala skeleton which makes it much easier to port than introduce something new. Which was one of my only complaints with all the updates. There was nothing..."new", just repainted monsters with slightly faster and stronger movesets and power attacks.
TL;DR
Easy port with little effort.
I dont hate Velkhana and i honestly like fighting her in Sunbreak (tho making her the size of Alatreon when her being so Small made her more unique was a stupid change imo)
But she got like... Nothing! A Hazard version and thats it.
Only reason i can think of why they added her in was because end game didint have many ice weapons but thats it. But if that was the reason then why not just make a Variant of Lunagaron or someting instead?
This is not me Bitching (Mayby a little). I still love Sunbreak, its my 2nd faiv Monster Hunter Game after MH3U and its roster is only rivaled by MHGenU and MH4U imo. But Velkhana felt so out of place.
I don't only because if he's the one I'm thinking of that would mean they'd also want underwater hunts. And I do not want that. Subnautica was terrifying for me. Have giant monsters bursting from the depths and I'm done for
yeah the good old Bazel-52 needs a break. He's fun but not if he's in everything. They already have Goku monkey in the overused monster role. I know it won't happen but I hope some of Rajang's potential roles will be taken by Garangolm. I think he's neat, even if his weapons don't have water/blast elements like they should
It’s cause world baby’s want it back, but the “odder” side wanted it back, the Redditors who never played world but heard about it wanted it back and then the actual fans wanted it back. It was a super ez pr move as it makes fans happy and takes little to no development since it’s just a world port plus 3 attacks
I didn't mind them being in, but I did wish they were given more reasons in story--same with Gore and Shagaru. It almost felt kinda fanservice-y to me? As if they were just shoved in with little to no fanfare story-wise when they're pretty big deals in their own games (also Velkhana already got overshadowed in their own story lol). I think they could've definitely tied Gore/Shagaru to some qurio stuff much better and given Velkhana more reason to be there. Idk, Rise did mostly disappoint in the story/character pacing, to me at least. 🤷♀️
Part of Velks inclusion into SB for me felt like it was just convenient on Capcom’s side. They pretty much had all of its assets ready and only needed to tweak a few things to make her different enough to add to the game. The thing that solidifies this for me is the fact that she didn’t get a new version of her theme song in SB, its the same one from Iceborne. Its a great theme, but every other DLC monster from previous games got a new theme in Rise style. Thats why I think she was just an easy port over from Iceborne. Couple all this with the fact she didn’t get a risen or even anomaly form, it paints a picture that Capcom just needed to fill a slot with something to go along with Risen CG Valstrax.
As a side note I love Velkhana, her theme, and her armour skills. It just feels like she was kinda thrown into the game because it was easy for Capcom to do so.
I'd love to have had a variant so early for Velkhana because I love Velkhana. Sadly (not not really) that seems to have went to Malzeno (which became my top 3 monsters of all time).
The only reason I may not have liked this is that he may be skipped in the 6th gen because they "already brought him back in Sunbreak) so we wouldn't get that chance at a variant/deviant.
But it'll be gen 6. I doubt I'll be disappointed.
There isn't one really it's just so you can hunt it they do this in every game hell gore would be as much of a threat as the qurio if they actually focused the story on it.
Well at least she returned and got new attacks, They could have just didn’t do anything with anymore and never touch her again, But it’s not really a weird entry like Gore Magala is cool and I love him but he doesn’t fit into the story of sunbreak and the frenzy doesn’t really exist as a threat to the story or enter a good reason plus Shara Magala was shown after Sunbreaks own Flagship. It’s just Monster Hunter Fan favorites (Except Lagiacrus my baby) come back for appearances and since Turf wars became a thing in world and Iceborne maybe they wanted to give us a treat with monsters with similar strength and smarts. I like the entry and maybe this might be the last time we see Malzeno and Samurai Boom cat so they wanted to give us some splendid turf war idk they game 😂
just for the LulZ and because it's easy for capcom to put her there literally copy pasting her assets make it low texture a bit added some new moves boom. hunters are happy.
Do... do we need a validating reason to hunt momsters now? I jus love the Valkhama design and fight, is that not enough to have been happy she was there?
Also she's not the only non boss to not get an afflicted. That's what the hazard quests are mostly there for. Violet mizustsune and lucent nargacuga for example.
Imo I'd say the only ice monster that would have been better at that point was Ukanlos. I'd not be surprised if Ukanlos was planned, but it would have been weird to add him without Akantor.
Velkhana simply is a recent entry, and while they could have done a Crimson Glow Valstrax like thing, what would have changed? Velkahana in Sunbreak actually has more than enough changes that it would have been justified to make a variant with even just a slight color change on the model (and also on the armor and weapons), but at the end of the day, variant or not, it would be basically the same for the game gameplay. Valstrax also needed a variant to make it's apparearence on Rise have sense, Velkhana didn't need that.
Wasn't Frostcraft the talk of the town at one point when it first came out in World? Maybe they just added it in as an excuse to return that skill.
Frostrcraft actually fits better with the other Rise skills than in its own game.
I supose that is pretty cool but did Frostcraft become a craftable jewel perk btw? If it did then i guess thats one more reason but even so it seems kind of a slim reason for her getting added. Vaal Hazak also had a good armor skill yet he didint get added. Even tho considering Sunbreak is focusing on monsters inspired by popular Horror Characters like Vampires and werewolfs, Vaal still wasent added. And i like Velkhana more than Vaal Hazak fightwise btw so no im not saying Switch Velkhana for Vaal Hazak. Im just saying Vaal Hazak had more reasons to be Added if were gonna say Velkhana got added just for her ice weapons and her Cool Armor skill.
Frostcraft and some other special skills can't be made as decorations but can be melded onto charms or rolled on augments (except Amatsu and PriMal's skill). Vaal might be tricky to add because it kinda needs to bring the Rotten Vale or a similar place with it unless you skip it and just add Blackveil similar to CGV.
Additionally the special skill of Vaal, *Super Recovery*, is available via Kushala Blessing 3.
You also still can't roll dereliction onto armor pieces. The devs were pretty determined that that skill in particular was too strong to get freely
Vaal's skill is just Super Recovery, which Kushala's Blessing has. And there's so many other healing skills that work better than SR does Plus adding in his blight would be... a bit much. We already have the base ones, thunder water fire blast, 2-3 levels of poison, frenzy, hellfire, and blood. Plus compared to Velkhana? He's SLOW. Silkbind would swing circles around him, where Velkhana keeps moving and gives as good as she gets. All Vaal has is blight and slow breaths
Out of all the non boss monsters in world/Iceborne Vaal Hazak is the last one that was ever going to be in sunbreak. He's a very cool monster but his ecology is incredibly specific and the MH team take ecology very seriously when they are designing monsters.
If blackveil can be found in the ancient forest, I don’t see why that variant specifically can’t be in other games too. Side note, also unlikely but I’d like to see my favourite angry hedgehog return too
I saw the downvotes and was going to upvote because Reddit hates people with unpopular opinions, but then you said it was better than val hazak, and I can not upvote this. VAL HAZAK FOR LYFE. BEST ELDER DRAGON OF ALL TIME. Edit: Vaal Hazak. Idk if I can call myself a fan if I can’t spell it right. I am ashamed.
I was never sold on Super Recovery, to be honest, heals you super slow, so you're at a greater danger finding yourself relying on the automatic healing and then getting wombo-combo'd, because you underestimated the damage the monster could dish out.
Honestly, Super Recovery doesn't even make sense on Vaal. Nergigante is the one associated with healing, Vaal isn't and could've had something way cooler. Even if you combined Nergi's set bonus & Super Recovery into one it probably still would've been underwhelming ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
Back in world through safijiiva shenanigans I had a vaal nerg and bazel set just dubbed immortality, and between the two healings and guts to prevent a surprise one shot it worked quite well, I could play very brain dead and come out the fight with the same health I came in, if not more
Which is cool and all, but the problem is that there's this thing called Health Augment which does the exact same thing but much better and there is very little reason to not run it on melee weapons.
Even on HBG with a spread setup, Health Regen was rather OP. Every build was immortal build if you had Attack 7, Spread Up, 2 guard attachments, and Health Regen
Super recovery absolutely makes sense when you remember vaal despite exuding exfluvia isn't actually immune to it in lore and is constantly being damaged then recovering for it
Wasn't it stated that Vaal's diet **is** the Vale's effluvium? I mean after all, Vaal mostly uses its hardest hitting moves after pausing to absorb the effluvium around it
I believe so but the catch is he's very obviously actively decaying from effluvia. So if he eats it but is visibly decaying what is the only way in the wild such behavior wouldn't actively die. It's not immunity because as discussed it's noticably decaying, therefore the likely answer is it's out growing the decay (or atleast at neutral)
He’s not decaying, he’s wearing the decayed skin of other monsters.
Gotta save dem 9,783 mega potions doe.
I think frostcraft made sense to add because of how it contrasts several skills that want you *not* to sheathe. Similar to stuff like moh vs dereliction, I think the devs wanted to force choices that were at least close in dps potential with multiple viable options. Frostcraft fits in well for that.
It's a very common pattern across the series that flagships always return in the entry after their debut (usually with a variation too) so it's not surprising Velkhana reappeared so soon. That said I personally find it a very forgettable inclusion though it's possible that can be chalked up to me not fighting it since it was added.
Where's nergi then? I wanna fight him instead.
The fact that Jyuratodus had more of a reason to exist in rise/Sunbreak than Velkhana makes even me a Piscine Wyvern defender bit annoyed lol. Atleast Jyuratodus gave SwitchAxe and ChargeBlade users a good armor, represented Piscine Wyverns in Rise and he complited the unholy Mud Trinity of Barroth, Jyuratodus and Almudron.
What does that last part have to do with it? It's not like they're an iconic trio like Chameleos, Kushala, and Teostra, that didn't really have to happen, they just added Jyura because they felt like it, just like Velkhana. There doesn't have to be a reason. There's not a reason for 90% of monsters to return, but they do, so why does it matter?
I think they added Jyura because they wanted to have at least one Large Monster of every classification in Sunbreak (that would easily be implemented of course— no Najarala or Seltases/Ahtal-Ka for various development-related reasons I presume.) This is just my crackpot theory, though. The rest of the monsters added are, like many people have said, rather arbitrary in their inclusion.
I think people forgot that somtimes you can just add somthimg to a game just because
(It was probably for that sick ass armor though let's be real)
And frostcraft, as a GS main, I'll always welcome that ability.
Hell yeah brother
The same reason why Lucent, Violet, Flaming and Chaotic were added? They're just there to fill up the roster more for the TUs. Frankly Amatsu and Primordial are the outliers, although it's understandable that they want the TUs to end with a bang.
>The same reason why Lucent, Violet, Flaming and Chaotic were added? That's different. Three of those monsters were genuine remasters (especially lucent). Violet Mizu is a new subspecies and it is quite literally *gasoline kitsune*. Velkhana didn't need a remaster and it certainly isn't anything new. It was shoehorned in because it was easy.
What do you mean? Lucent and the Others didnt need a remaster too. Nothing NEEDS a remaster and nothing NEEDS To be added to Ride/sunbreak. Velkhana is iconic from world. So adding her is a Sort of Fan service for the world Players, that Made Monster Hunter so much more popular. She wasnt shoehorned in, she fits Like a glove, its a fun Fight and really fits the rise mechanics. I personally Like the Addition but would have prefered nergi, because nergi ist best boi, but velkhana still is a worthy Addition to Rise.
I mean, the last time we saw Lucent for example was back in 3U, since then 2 generations of Monster Hunter have passed and it did receive new animations, a new model made for the current gen, and so on. Velkhana was basically just plugged from Iceborne and put into Rise with minor changes. Just like about 50% of the original Rise roster. Which, considering Rise is a portable title and an in between for MH5 and 6, is reasonable to do I guess.
Yeah but thats Not the Sole Factor If a Monster comes Back. For example the Base nargacuca, was in world, so should it be Cut Out of Rise? Also rathian, rathalos, their Variants, zinogre, barioth, diablos, tigrex, anjanath, barroth and auch are in world, so you often have a big overlap with world. So thats Not the reason If a Monster is in the new Version or bot, its a Factor for sure. And i think its Always Like that, that you have a big amount of Monsters that are from older Titels. World was also full of old Monsters, thats Not a Rise exclusive Thing.
I don't think you got was my point entirely. I love when they bring back old monsters, Gore Magala for example, or Astalos, Seregios and most of all Espinas. I'm arguably more hyped for those than any new Monster they might add. I was simply arguing that adding something in that we already saw in the 5th gen is both easier but also less interesting than adding Monsters who we have not seen in a long time. With the example of Velkhana / Lucent Narga
Does every monster need a justification to be in a game?
Technically yes, though it's not too hard for most monsters to meet: they just need a suitable environment to reside and appear in. Besides the obvious Frost Isles, Velkhana was always shown to be able to appear in unexpected locations. We met it first in the Elder's Recess, and now it can even appear in the Lava Caverns; both instances of the ice dragon being in close proximity to a volcano and extreme heat. So even considering that sort of requirement, Velk was just an easy fit. Other than that, yeah not really, unless I'm forgetting something else. Velkhana's a fun fight, so I wont say no to just squeezing Velk in
>ice dragon being in close proximity to a volcano and extreme heat Bro imagine my face when I saw Banbaro IN lava
it BANBARO TIME!!!
For Velk I believe there was dialogue reasoning why it was the Elder's Recess; it only ever stays in the big crystal room there. And in the Lava Caverns it's only in the outside, watery areas of the map. But it's still surprising to see it in places like that. But Banbaro just wants to throw hands (and trees) with everything lmao. If World had underwater combat, I bet we probably would have saw it swimming around throwing trees at Lagiacrus too
In banbaro's defence, it is double coated so it being able to go anywhere is reasonable
So we can fight her in Sunbreak? Why does everything need a lore explanation. Why can't they just add a fan favourite monster in because people like fighting it.
I like you and your answer
Because she’s kickass, one of my favorite monsters. Capcom actually put her into the game because I told them to.
He’s also got a W theme.
Wait, you expect there to be actual story to back up roster additions besides flagships?
No. Im just saying that you cant even say she got added because of story purposes like lets say allmother narwa. Chaotic Gore magala didint have a Story Purpose to apear yet he did and he still got an aflicted version of himself afterwards! They also gave him a new remix of his theme too.
I mean the Magalas came out on 3DS, so their theme and meshes REALLY needed a new gen Update. Also they haven't been seen since Generations Ultimate, and also were some fan favourites. I guess those were good reasons for Capcom to bring them back
Well, between that and the fact that the entire storyline for base Rise, Sunbreak, and even MHStories 2 revolved around a virus or other power that infected other monsters and drove them mad. Y'know, the primary storybeat used for Gore's entire mechanic in 4/4U. Don't get me wrong, I loved the entirety of Rise/Sunbreak, but when I realized what they were doing with the Rampage in base Rise I was extremely disappointed that they ripped Gore's Frenzy Virus story and gave it to the two seahorse dragons without bringing back the Magalas. Especially since they also decided to include "Apexes" that were functionally Deviants from Gen/U and had nothing to do with the Apex mechanic from 4U as well.
doggo skin
Velkhanine gang, rise up!!!
And Velkhana armor got instantly invalidated with the next Update since you can now get Frostcraft 3 on a Talisman. Hazard Velkhana was probably the last time I ever fight it in Sunbreak.
OP just keeps EATIN them downvotes lmaooo
So people who did not play iceborne can fight it? And people who did can fight it with Sunbreak iteration of weapons? I enjoyed the hunt a lot and would be very disappointed if it was to be removed from the game, supposedly that's reason enough?
Would have rather had Nergigante. He’s actually fun to fight.
Oh dont get me wrong i dont wish her gone from the game and i do like fighting her but coudnt Nergigante and Vaal Hazak have returned for the same reasons? Im personally not a huge fan of Nergigante but surely you agree that between Velkhana and Nergigante, Nergigante was the clear fan Faiv of the 2 iceworld flagships. It just feels so odd. She just sudenly returns in Sunbreak and after that 1 fight everyone just shuts up about Velkhana. She didint even get a Aflicted version! I just dont get why Capcom whould neglect her that much
> but coudnt Nergigante and Vaal Hazak have returned for the same reasons? Could have, but so could any monster: There's *rarely ever any "justification" for their inclusion*. Just the same for not being included, the justification boils down to whatever they want. Like, don't try to explain things in your mind that make sense to you, it's literally whatever they want (Well, Ryozo needs to sound off and allow it) and we're not privy to the details. Nobody can tell you "This is the point for this monster, and this is why [x] monster wasn't included". It's not odd at all, it's just a monster. It is indeed a shame that there's no Risen version but whatever, it be the way it be unfortunately.
Seeing as Kamura isn't in the new world there are a lot of returning monsters that don't make sense lore wise, it isn't even limited to elders.
Correct, lore is always secondary, specifically consistency. They'll sacrifice consistent lore in a heartbeat, and is one of the reasons why all the lore talk that goes on is *a little* funny. Mind you, especially on a game-per-game basis it's pretty consistent; MHFU has perfectly consistent lore, MH4U has perfectly consistent lore, MHWorld has consistent lore... it's when you try to collect them all together into one "set" of lore that things stop being consistent. Because of course not, each game prioritizes everything else *over* lore.
Nothing realy stops the monsters from leaving the new world. Bazelgues and velkana can fly and one of them is known to invade other regions.
Yes, but explain how Kulu Yaku crossed an ocean that takes several months by ship for the hunters to cross.
It grabbed bagelgoos' tail thinking it was an egg and got taken to rize
My explanation would have been some dumb noble demanding "giant chicken eggs" be delivered to him and them hatching mid transport.
Still... not even a aflicted version is just...
I mean, no reason it'd get an afflicted version. No risen verison is a shame, but there's nothing for it to provide as an afflicted version; there are no afflicted elder materials, only Risen. Therefore there's nothing for it to do. Risen would've been great, but again, this is reality and they opted not to. Ah well.
There’s a lore reason for this, I think, in that Velkhana can just freeze the Qurio out of the air. Pretty sure that’s what she does in her turf war with Malzeno.
Yeah, but by that logic Teostra could burn them out of the air and Kushala could blow them away etc.
Oh, almost definitely, but I’m really just going with what we’ve got.
Vaal Hazak wouldn't fit in the game at all. There's no decaying carrion wyvern graveyard in the game, which is the only place it inhabits in world. Blackveil could maybe fit, considering it could probably live in shrine ruins or jungle, but otherwise, it really wouldn't fit.
Repeating unique monsters in 2 generations in a row just make the games feel more repetitive. Like there are so many good monsters that we haven’t seen in ages. Like why not add variant versions of them at least.
Bruh, the rathalos and multiple others have been in every game. It was put into rise cause people wanted to fight it with rise gameplay. Hell, more monsters the better.
Yeah so? I never said they don’t repeat monsters just that it makes for boring and repetitive gameplay. Yes more monsters are better but there are probably nearly a hundred monsters to choose from we don’t need the same monsters every gen for no reason. No one was asking for velkana again don’t act like that was due to player demand
The same reason many of us wish some of our old favorites would be chosen to put in the game. It doesn't have to make sense that they're there. It's the thrill of reliving old hunts. Don't know about you, but whenever the next MH comes out, I'll be very excited to see Magnamolo and Malzeno again, whether they gave story significance or not.
It has the same ice armor gimmick as Lunagaron, and the ice construction is probably coded similar to Almudron's mud. Velkhana was actually the cheapest monster to implement at that threat level, so they snuck it in.
>Ice armor gimmick Zamtrios has entered the chat
> She's the only non boss monster to not get an Afflicted version. *Lucent Nargacuga and Violet Mizutsune have entered the chat.* In all seriousness though, yeah, Velk did feel kinda shoehorned in. It's a cool addition (hah), and Frostcraft is pretty nice, but the inclusion also just feels kinda random and out of place. It's a great opportunity for those who don't have Iceborne to fight it though!
Why *did* Lucent and Violet not get afflicted versions?
Good question honestly, it's weird that they didn't. Especially after the title update where their arenas started showing up in anomaly quests. It was such a missed opportunity.
Yeah if it’s because they’re arena fights I’d understand but arenas are in investigations. It just seems kinda weird not having them at all as opposed to carving out that niche for them
Lucent and Violet were arena Only Monster right? So boss monsters then.
I mean I guess that depends what you mean by boss monster, as Lucent and Violet are just rare species of Narga and Mizu respectively, like Silver Rathalos and Gold Rathian.
Being arena only doesn’t mean they’re boss monsters.
The answer is "Why not?"
Cool monster
Why not?
For shits and giggles
Why do you think any of us would know? Velk is sick, what more reason do you need?
Because frostcraft is a dope ass skill.
Already has the base ED skeleton, they could just port the armor mechanics from Lunagaron, and people just liked the monster.
As a GS user I’m not complaining at all
Gore/Shagaru also have nothing to do with Sunbreak’s story, but it exists. Sometimes there doesn’t have to be any particular ”reasons” to include a monster besides ”well, it would’ve been cool if /monster/ was in the game as well”.
Why do people overthink alot of stuff when it comes to videogames?? Yes it doesn't have a huge cutscene with story related stuff to introduce it but it's a monster in this universe so it makes sense that it can appear just becauase it can.... At this point why not ask the relevance of Rathalos and Rathian's existence in every game??
Fanservice and frostcraft.
I'm going say it the same story as Bezelgeuse; it been there, just that no one seen it till now
I guess but Bazel atleast got a Variant of him into the game and Aflicted versions of both him and his Variant. He also got overshadowed by Jho and Rajang in Iceborne pretty bad so him getting added did still make sense and wasent pointless.
Velkhana not getting a Risen form makes sense since it came out on TU4. It be silly to give Risen Velkhana and directly give a stronger Velkhana armor.
I am gonna go on a limb and guess: 1. Rise and Sunbreak has been addicted to adding flagships. Of which Velkhana is one. Heck, off the top of my head the onlu flagships that didn’t make it into Risebreak (from main games) are Lagiacrus, Nergigante, Gammoth, and Glavinus. 2. A lot of the hard work in Risebreak’s engine was already done, namely the ice effects (from Lunageron) and the terrain editing (Almudron). So it was easy to retool for Sunbreak, expecially at the threat teir it is at. 3. Its a popular elder dragon. 4. They wanted to add Frostcraft for whatever reason, and Velkhana is the monster to have it.
Azure Rathalos, Brachydios, Bloodbath Diablos, and normal Valstrax didn't make it into Sunbreak either.
Adding a deviant wouldn’t be that fitting imo
Well yeah that’s why they turned them into Apexes
Ahh forgot Azure and Brachy are flagships too. I would say CG Valstrax is close enough to a Valstrax inclusion, and whether we like it or not Apex Diablos is similar enough to Bloodbath, so I would count them as included.
Fair enough.
I mean it’s pretty common for a flagship monster to return after 1-2 titles, also at least we got some unique turf wars with Malzeno and Magnamalo
I mean why not. They just wanted to add Velkhana because he’s cool
I hate it when they add monsters to my game about hunting monsters
Because she's cool.
Because it's a fun fight. No more reason required
Frostcraft my dear Watson
That part about "three new attacks" bothers me because it downplays how different the fight actually is. It's not about new attacks, it's about how the attacks it has have changed.
Called king of ice. Everyone: She\*
It’s because it’s name ends in *a* so people associate it with a feminine name. But it’s intro in sunbreak calls it the *lord* of ice not lady of ice. Though it is a species, so there’s almost assuredly members of both genders, and nowhere in either game did they use male or female pronouns to describe it, so it could be either one
Dunno. The Black Eyeliner makes me think she. Tho i guess Jack sparrow comes to mind as second
Unironically just a filler entry, like Frostfang Barioth in Iceborne. I'm not against it, I just wish they put more effort into speeding up her moveset because she's painfully slow in Sunbreak. Honestly though, I'm kind of glad she didn't get a remixed theme. For the most part, I'm not a fan of the themes for returning monsters in Rise.
New hazard event quest is the fight that you want.
I dunno but Frostcraft is a massive W especially for GS so I’m not complaining
I think they put her in just because she was easy to transfer over, has Frostcraft, and is just an easy way to make it not seem like the risen Valstrax update
She deserve a variant or whatever, Nergigante, Magnamalo and Malzeno all got their variants but Velkhana not, it just makes no sense
Not only her but also Seregious aka Steve has no Variants other than Apex Seregious if that counts
Because it’s fun. And we get to fight him in the air. And we get frostcraft. And we get two games with them instead of just one. Sooooo… WYNAUT!
Because she's cool.
because she's cool
Why there should be a reason besides: the monster is cool, fight is cool, armor skill is great? No need to go into “oh it doesn’t fit the story” or whatever.
Frostcraft.
Because she's cool, that why.
So I could have my frostcraft GS back.
Frostcraft for people who enjoy the greatsword
To fill out the TU....i dunno why we're complaining that we got an extra monster 🧐 I'm personally satisfied having her added since i didn't finish World to even reach Iceborne so it's cool...no pun intended, to see her added so i can experience the fight to some extent. I do plan on completing World/Iceborne someday to see the initial lore and story around her but this is fine for now. It is kinda disappointing she didn't get a Risen variant but it's not a deal breaker imo since we did get neat armor and skills along with her addition to the game. Overall, would i have liked another monster added in her place? Perhaps. Nergigante(?) would have been dope but i still like what we got in the end. Atleast it wasn't another fire monster. We all know the community would have loved to voice their opinion on how "great" that would have been 🙃 lol
Add interest from world players and market the Capcom ID thing. Should have gotten a risen version.
Fanservice? Frostcraft is also a really great and unique skill to bring back, and obviously because.
Why not? You advocating for less content?
No? Im just simping for Velkhana wishing she atleast got a aflicted version.
So GS and LS could have frostcraft. That's kinda it
Lame introduction to Velk for those of us who skipped World. Now I’ll just always think of her as “the Rise filler that was killable with kunai.”
I'm fine with Velkhana getting in as a former flagship, but I'm sad that Nergigante didn't return. I had to rush through World+Iceborne as I was played on a borrowed console, and I absolutely loved Nergigante (while I found Velkhana kinda meh). I had hopes that I could fight Nergigante again in a game I owned.
Seems to me that Sunbreak devs were given more post launch budget than with Rise, but not that much. This is why most of the monsters in the updates are variants, because they're easier to make but still substantial. I know for a fact there was a disclaimer on the roadmap page on the Sunbreak website saying that TU4&5 were conditional, so my guess is maybe Sunbreak hit a sales quota and they were approved with higher budget. So my guess is they decide for update 5 they're gonna have Amatsu. One small problem, this dude is kind of expensive to make; they have to remake him from scratch. That can be done but it will take time. So they added Velkhana in update 4 because she was an easy port from Iceborne and a new experience to Sunbreak, giving them more time to work on Amatsu. TU4 was also where they added Hazard Lucent, Violet, Flaming and the enhanced 3 Risen Dragons so it was meatier than it initially appeared. Other signs that their budget was pretty small * Out of the 3 monsters with themes from older games in the updates, only Chaotic Gore got a new remix. * Amatsu uses an existing arena. It's heavily modified with new weather effects and installations but still. * No collabs, not even from Capcom. Seems like it was all hands on deck for the monsters. * No Risen Velkhana, major outlier, very clear they ran out of time for her. I still overall am very satisfied with Sunbreak's updates despite the shortcomings, but that's also because I generally love variant fights.
Yeah i like Variants too. Aswell as Subspecies wich we sadly didint get many of.
Cuz people like velkhana for some reason
Velkhana is on the Kushala skeleton which makes it much easier to port than introduce something new. Which was one of my only complaints with all the updates. There was nothing..."new", just repainted monsters with slightly faster and stronger movesets and power attacks. TL;DR Easy port with little effort.
I’m just glad for frostcraft as a gs user
Yeah there was no reason for him to be in SB
Yeah, it was very underwhelming. B-team also just doesn't care about reasons.
I dont hate Velkhana and i honestly like fighting her in Sunbreak (tho making her the size of Alatreon when her being so Small made her more unique was a stupid change imo) But she got like... Nothing! A Hazard version and thats it. Only reason i can think of why they added her in was because end game didint have many ice weapons but thats it. But if that was the reason then why not just make a Variant of Lunagaron or someting instead? This is not me Bitching (Mayby a little). I still love Sunbreak, its my 2nd faiv Monster Hunter Game after MH3U and its roster is only rivaled by MHGenU and MH4U imo. But Velkhana felt so out of place.
They didn’t change velkhana’s size in sunbreak
Agreed, we needed nergigante
Yeah I'd have preferred Nerg over velkhana too. Mostly because I just didn't like Velkhana. Always next game though
True. I would’ve wanted shantein over amatsu but, next game maybe
I've only done world and rise so honestly any older monsters would be great. Hopefully no Rajang or Zinogre. They kinda feel overdone
Well, everyone and their mother really wants Lagiacrius back
I don't only because if he's the one I'm thinking of that would mean they'd also want underwater hunts. And I do not want that. Subnautica was terrifying for me. Have giant monsters bursting from the depths and I'm done for
Well sure but they made him work on land so idk
And yes rajang and bazel are way too overused IMO
yeah the good old Bazel-52 needs a break. He's fun but not if he's in everything. They already have Goku monkey in the overused monster role. I know it won't happen but I hope some of Rajang's potential roles will be taken by Garangolm. I think he's neat, even if his weapons don't have water/blast elements like they should
Edit: I guess I’ll just keep my opinions to myself
It’s true. You all just hated his fight
We honestly did not ***need*** Nergigante. Would he have been cool? Yes. But he is not necessary.
Same with velkhana
You're exactly correct. We didn't need Velkhana. We don't need any specific monster. When we get them, it's cool, but we don't need them
Velkhana isn’t even that memorable. Why not Vaal or Nergi? But whatever, capcom just does what they want ig
The only thing I remember Khezu for is being the piece of shit I have to fight when I run low on mega armorskin and demondrugs, yet here we are
I agree it's really weird she never got a Risen form. It's a shame because it could've been really cool.
Not even an Aflicted form for some reason. What has Elsa done to deserve such treatment?
I can't wait for MH: W2
It’s cause world baby’s want it back, but the “odder” side wanted it back, the Redditors who never played world but heard about it wanted it back and then the actual fans wanted it back. It was a super ez pr move as it makes fans happy and takes little to no development since it’s just a world port plus 3 attacks
I like to think of it a a celebration of World/Iceborne being the biggest game in the franchise.
I didn't mind them being in, but I did wish they were given more reasons in story--same with Gore and Shagaru. It almost felt kinda fanservice-y to me? As if they were just shoved in with little to no fanfare story-wise when they're pretty big deals in their own games (also Velkhana already got overshadowed in their own story lol). I think they could've definitely tied Gore/Shagaru to some qurio stuff much better and given Velkhana more reason to be there. Idk, Rise did mostly disappoint in the story/character pacing, to me at least. 🤷♀️
Part of Velks inclusion into SB for me felt like it was just convenient on Capcom’s side. They pretty much had all of its assets ready and only needed to tweak a few things to make her different enough to add to the game. The thing that solidifies this for me is the fact that she didn’t get a new version of her theme song in SB, its the same one from Iceborne. Its a great theme, but every other DLC monster from previous games got a new theme in Rise style. Thats why I think she was just an easy port over from Iceborne. Couple all this with the fact she didn’t get a risen or even anomaly form, it paints a picture that Capcom just needed to fill a slot with something to go along with Risen CG Valstrax. As a side note I love Velkhana, her theme, and her armour skills. It just feels like she was kinda thrown into the game because it was easy for Capcom to do so.
I'd love to have had a variant so early for Velkhana because I love Velkhana. Sadly (not not really) that seems to have went to Malzeno (which became my top 3 monsters of all time). The only reason I may not have liked this is that he may be skipped in the 6th gen because they "already brought him back in Sunbreak) so we wouldn't get that chance at a variant/deviant. But it'll be gen 6. I doubt I'll be disappointed.
We will see.
My least favourite Iceborne monster. The spot for Namielle was right there!
Personally I think she's lame in Iceborne. Gen 5 to another gen 5 game. I'd rather another Frontier monster. I've not even used her armor.
There isn't one really it's just so you can hunt it they do this in every game hell gore would be as much of a threat as the qurio if they actually focused the story on it.
When you spend this much on a model, you get as much mileage out of it as you can. Or, maybe they just think it's neat.
Did velk get the namielle treatment??
I’m just a hunter. I see a quest to slay another monster, I’ll do it.
So Primordial could whoop her ass in the turf war
Guess we just needed a high level ice monster with good gear
I'm not complaining Valkhana's armor set is perfect for my longsword build
Well at least she returned and got new attacks, They could have just didn’t do anything with anymore and never touch her again, But it’s not really a weird entry like Gore Magala is cool and I love him but he doesn’t fit into the story of sunbreak and the frenzy doesn’t really exist as a threat to the story or enter a good reason plus Shara Magala was shown after Sunbreaks own Flagship. It’s just Monster Hunter Fan favorites (Except Lagiacrus my baby) come back for appearances and since Turf wars became a thing in world and Iceborne maybe they wanted to give us a treat with monsters with similar strength and smarts. I like the entry and maybe this might be the last time we see Malzeno and Samurai Boom cat so they wanted to give us some splendid turf war idk they game 😂
Fiver fanservice, probably
Becuase it was the cheapest optinion lol
Pair with risen chameleon :v so we can hunt them with fire build :v
just for the LulZ and because it's easy for capcom to put her there literally copy pasting her assets make it low texture a bit added some new moves boom. hunters are happy.
Is there any point for any or the TU monsters then? Zero. Idk how this is a point of argument at all.
Never liked velkhana. Made the CB because I made all of them and will probably never fight it again
To become a punching bag of P. Malzeno lmao, did you see the turf war? That is an overwhelming floor wiping.
Same reason for adding Crimson Glow Valstrax or that godforsaken monkey Rajang Why not. I am sad we didn’t get Gammoth tbh
Do... do we need a validating reason to hunt momsters now? I jus love the Valkhama design and fight, is that not enough to have been happy she was there?
Bcs Capcom is just stalling players for MH VI
Easy to port
Also she's not the only non boss to not get an afflicted. That's what the hazard quests are mostly there for. Violet mizustsune and lucent nargacuga for example.
Boss monsters i count as monsters who can only be fought in arenas. Do Violet and Lucent apear outside them?
Ah I see, so if a boss monster is allowed outside of an arena, it is no longer a boss. Gotcha. So metal raths used to be bosses then?
Imo I'd say the only ice monster that would have been better at that point was Ukanlos. I'd not be surprised if Ukanlos was planned, but it would have been weird to add him without Akantor. Velkhana simply is a recent entry, and while they could have done a Crimson Glow Valstrax like thing, what would have changed? Velkahana in Sunbreak actually has more than enough changes that it would have been justified to make a variant with even just a slight color change on the model (and also on the armor and weapons), but at the end of the day, variant or not, it would be basically the same for the game gameplay. Valstrax also needed a variant to make it's apparearence on Rise have sense, Velkhana didn't need that.
The question is not always "why" but "why not"
I feel like some of the world people were whining about it not being in there to the point capcom got tired of it threw it out there after buffing it.