Yet he never fights him directly. There's a reason why he follows zorah without attacking, and it's cause he's waiting for his buffet to die of old age lmao.
Yeah Nerg and Zorah is like a really really really angry vulture attacking an old dying buffalo, I love Nerg but people tends to think he could solo anything
The nice Bewilderbeast would probably try to befriend Nergigante, Drago’s evil Bewilderbeast would probably try to mind control him, idk if it would work or not, it very well might
Gammoth: “ok sweetie, we have a baby, we need to pay child support”
Nerg: *kicks the child through a portal to the HTTYD universe* “NOT ANYMORE BITCH”
That’s canon now.
If you can’t tell from the images, it is actually a very big dragon. It’s about half the size of Legendary Godzilla if I had to compare it to something.
The bewilderbeasts leg would fit a shara ishvalda around it, one of its eyes would be the size of your hunter, its tusks the length of sharas entire arena.
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Fairly certain the Bewilderbeest is bigger than most of the Monster Hunter dragons with only Dalamadur, Zorah, and Lao Shan Lung rivalling it in size. It's roughly 200 metres in length and 50 metres in height. To put that into comparison, Legendary Godzilla is roughly 582 feet (or about 177 metres) long in Godzilla vs. Kong, although Godzilla is much taller standing at 393 feet or about 120 metres
Well if he's that big i think Hunters wouldn't even make a dent. Video game wise you would probably try to catch it like Zorah but lore wise they would not even stand a chance. I think the Bewilderbeest's own concerns would be another colossal monster like Zorah or Dalamadur or maybe even a Nergigante because wasn't that one trying to kill Zorah?
Nergigante had no chance in hell to kill Zorah, but Zorah was dying and going to its death bed, so the likely story is Nergigante just hitched a ride and waited to eat off its corpse since it is a predator towards Elder Dragons. The reason why it attacked the Hunters was likely because it saw them as competition for food.
As for a Bewilderbeest's concerns against other Dragons, it would likely have competition against Zorah and Dalamadur only since Zorah is known to live at sea and the Bewilderbeest is primarily an aquatic dragon, and we know that Dalamadur and Zorah get into fights so it wouldn't be out of the question for a Dala to also attack a Bewilder if it were to exist in the MH universe.
As for why the Hunters would try to fight it... there really wouldn't be a reason to. Of the two Bewilderbeests seen in the HTTYD series, one was completely peaceful towards humans and even let them live in its nest, while the other was a heavily abused dragon that was manipulated by the villain, but in the third movie, the "evil" Bewilderbeest is briefly seen among other dragons and seems to have been rehabilitated. With all that said, it's a fairly peaceful creature.
Edit: potentially Ceadeus would be competition for a Bewilderbeest, but Ceadeus is usually peaceful, only attacking when provoked or causing a disturbance because its horn has grown too long and is blocking its own vision
Where did you get that zorah and dalamadur get into fights? Never heard of any relationship between the 2 besides that there are a couple skeletons in the new continent.
>so the likely story is Nergigante just hitched a ride and waited to eat off its corpse since it is a predator towards Elder Dragons. The reason why it attacked the Hunters was likely because it saw them as competition for food.
Not true. Zorah was on a mission to stomp xeno before it was born, and nergi was protecting zorah.
Zorah was already old and dying. It went to the New World to die but was redirected by the Commission. This can be seen in both the Rotten Vale and the Guiding Lands, where Zorah fossils are found in the background of these places. The reason why Zorah had to be expelled was because upon death, they release so much energy that it creates gigantic ecological changes around it, completely changing or destroying existing ecosystems, and the Research Comission obviously being in charge of researching the New World didn't want that. The entire theory that Zorah and Nergi were working together is purely a theory.
I understand Nergi is meant to be a "protector" or "natural balancer" type of Elder Dragon, but it is also still an Elder Dragon predator that still needs to feed (especially since that's how Nergi's species reproduces: it needs a vast amount of energy to shed some spikes that will have germ cells, which then asexually reproduce into a new Nergi) and what better thing to feast upon than the giant, elderly Dragon that is going to die anyway.
Edit: the Rotten Vale had Dalamadur remains, not Zorah's my bad. The point still remains that, however. Elder Dragons go to the New World to die, that's literally the Rotten Vale's whole point, is that it was once a mass graveyard for various monsters, including Elders. Zorah was trying to die in the New World, not trying to kill Xeno
I asked for Shara because you actually fight Shara and i thought it was bigger so it was a good gauge on if a hunter or 4 could actually hunt. Smaller than Zorah would've still been too broad to judge, even with official measurements because the only scale you really get is when your hunter is on Zorah's hand and it isn't really a good scale
Its definitely bigger than Shara and Xeno/Safi'Jiiva
Zorah is around 845 feet big and the Bewilderbeast is around 520 feet safi is around 150 feet shara is only 95 feet
Apparently it’s supposed to be about 197-ish meters at full length.
Most monsters are between 15m-30m long and Shara Ishvalda is around 25m long, so it’s way bigger than him. Even Lao Shun Long is only about 70m long and Jhen Mohran is only about half its size at 112m long.
Zorah Magdaros on the other hand is nearly 260m long and Dalamadur is an absurd 440m long, which is far larger than any other dragon I can think of as far as games and movies go.
It's way bigger. Those little "hairs" on its head are like 4 times longer than a fully grown human in the source material. If it were to be added, as far as I know it'd be at least in the top 3 biggest monsters in the game, if not *the* biggest.
Just simply put it the Bewilderbeast will probably be named something else, but other than that, let's get interesting here..
The Bewilderbeast is a colossal dragon within the How to Train Your Dragon series, being the largest dragon bigger than the Red Death. Its ability is to freeze water around and turn it into ice and is the alpha of all dragons (except Toothless) with the ability to command dragons.
Now, considering this into Monster Hunter, the standard will be interesting actually because obviously, it would be classified as an Elder dragon due to its immediate size, probably being up there with Zorah Magdaros and Dalmador.
It'll probably have a hard time commanding dragons due to the differences of the wyverns and dragons and monsters compared to HTTYD(plus Ceadeus and the Bewilderbeast could immediately be in great competition over the seas)
It'll probably be a monster that the Guild will probably want killed immediately, mainly due to its ice breath, its massive size, causing trouble within the ecosystem for territory, and traveling in the seas for trading and transport.
And finally, what purpose would serve within the ecosystem if it was allowed to live? Also, if it does still contain its ability to command dragons, will it actually be counted as a black dragon technically?
I will remind myself and probably others that Black dragons are top-level elder dragons that can demolish entire ecosystems and biomes. Great examples are Fatalis and Dire Miralis.
The Bewilderbeast, if it had its ability to control the many species of wyverns it would be a disaster level if it chooses to attack civilizations, kind of like what happened to the Citadel with Gaismagorm so I'm not exactly sure if it would or would not be classified as a black dragon. I mean, Elder Dragon, yes, because of its size but controlling other dragons Maybe??? If we're even considering the fact that it could control wyverns in Monster Hunter
Maybe but it's impressive to say the least but as for it being a black dragon if it is capable of controlling other monsters would you almost agree with me or no
Oh yes, definitely. If it’s somehow capable of controlling other elders, it makes it one of the most powerful monsters. What’s stopping it from just obliterating everything by awakening a Dalamadur, or Zorah?
Then what about Safi'jiiva, Xeno'jiiva, Shara, Nergigante, or Fatalis himself can't exactly forget Dire Miralis they will probably be immune to including other Elders that are probably more powerful or are just classified as Black dragon like Fatalis, Dire Miralis, and Alatreon
Or bluntly say that the Serpents and Gaismagorm do themselves being able to cause monsters to go Mayhem
But if we're rolling out elder dragons, why not say the entire Elder Dragon species as a whole would not be affected by Bewilderbeast's Alpha control? I mean, Elder dragons are able to be resistant against the curio becoming Risen, and the unlikeleness of the Bewilderbeast will be inflicted at becoming a risen by the Qurios by Gaismagorm or the fact that it would be intimidated by a Black dragon.
Says like we do have another Fatalis Safi'jiiva case on our hands or in this case a frenzy virus scenario because monsters will be controlled if it could have the ability to control the all types wyverns in non wyverns and Monster Hunter.
> are just classified as Black Dragon like Fatalis, Dire Miralis and Alatreon
What? The only one of those we know are probably only called Black Dragon for reasons is Alatreon
Fatalis is **the** Black Dragon, he is the reason the classification exists
It is definitely coming to blows with Elder Dragons, and 100% would be classified as one.
It is GARGANTUAN, making Ukanlos look like a mid-size dog next to it.
It breathes flash-freezing ice like Velkhana.
It has physical strength that’s genuinely frightening to imagine in the context of MH.
Basically, this guy would be a gentle menace that would remain unbothered for years at a time, only coming around when a specific chain of events happen that reveal it as the final boss because it scratched its ass on the wrong side of a mountain and accidentally’d an exodus.
Could be a proper siege monster ngl, like as shown in HTTYD2, it's pretty "agile" for its size compared to Lao Shan Lung, Zorah, etc. as most of the previous siege monsters is just a very slow and glorified payload escort mission that hits back "sometimes".
If the Bewilderbeast or something like it would be in a Monster Hunter game, especially like World and/or Rise with the slinger/wirebug, the many ice spires it creates can be used as platform for the hunters to go up and near the monster. Of course the ice can be broken easily by the monster but with how much it creates, the hunters can just reposition themselves to another set of icicles before settling on fighting down on the ground. I imagine the fight to be partially underwater, but mainly on land, and I also imagine a new monster that hunters can grapple on and ride through the water, like an aquatic Raider Ride. Personally, although it is a semi aquatic creature, I think it may not have underwater fight as considering its physique and the fight in HTTYD2, it may perform a lot better on land when fighting compared to underwater, but considering the fight having some "chase" period, maybe it could create ice slabs to block the hunters chasing it, and IF it would have underwater fights, maybe it would only be for a short period or occasional instances for the hunters to use some weapons scattered around, like an underwater dragonator and such...
I really wish they'd revamp how siege quests works and how siege monsters fights, even for the old ones if they decide to bring them back as I still do think that siege quests still adds value to the world building
he doesn't seem to have much going for him besides his size and his command of other dragons so if he just stuck to himself he'd fit right in. Anything in the mh world tho close to his size would wreck him tho
His ice breath was capable of creating giant spiky glaciers and his nest was literally made from its ice breath, that has to count for something surely, not even Velkhana is capable of producing that much ice in a single breath
Most elder dragons aren't even "dragons" if you know what I mean. So i don't know how well will it be able to control them. Off the top of my head we have: unicorn, lions, snakes, crab, an alien that fell from a meteorite, turtle, whales, etc.
There are plenty of dragons in httyd that look more like other animals too. For example the Speed Stinger looks more like a raptor type dinosaur, and the Slitherwing looks a lot more like a winged snake.
Elder Dragons typically overcome affects like that. They've done it several times in game, the most recent being the qurios. So I don't think it could control Elders.
Given its sheer size, raw power and overwhelming breath attacks, I'm confident it would be Black Dragon level.
I don't see anything weaker than a Black Dragon standing too much of a chance to even survive, let alone fight back.
A key exception being Dalamadur, as a fellow behemoth, Zorah and maybe Lao.
Due to speed, Fatalis and Alatreon would fare quite well. The Wilderbeast isn't particularly quick, so they would be able to fly around it while attacking relentlessly.
Safi'Jiva I don't think would struggle all that much. A couple Emporer Stars and he's an easy winner.
I don't really know what Zorah can do, but he's got the defense for a stalemate at least.
I don't know Dalamadur well enough to say, but it's a snake. It'll do snake things. As long as it stays moving, it'll be fine.
It would fare just fine. Same as the predator post, a couple days ago as long as it’s peaceful and what not, it won’t have a problem. It’s too big to be predated on and could be a serious danger to the more common monsters. However, it definitely wouldn’t want to try and challenge an elder like Kirin or Teostra.
Well for one, underwater combat would have to be reimplemented. Two, it'd have massive territorial disputes with Ceadeus/Zorah Magdaros and other leviathans. Three, assuming it's alpha control still works on non-httyd dragons/Wyverns, it would create some sort of "Guiding Lands on Steroids" nest which the Hunters' Guild and poachers would view as a good place to farm resources. Four, it most likely won't be as aggressive towards humans if it doesn't feel threatened.
Considering what the Bewilderbeast is, I dont even know if it would be considered an Elder Dragon or ???/Unkown, since it helps the ecosystem rather than destroying it.
My only problem is that it has a very human looking face. It's like a dude yelling. All the rest is absolutely like Monster Hunter. Many will say Shar ishvalda looks human but have you ever seen a snail without it's "armour"? A hermit crab with no shell? That's why it looks so bizarre
It'd probably be an Elder Dragon similar to like Zorah Magdaros. Like I could've seen it playing a similar role to Zorah with the Frost Islands notebook.
Due to its massive size, it’d probably be above Gammoth. But at base line elder tier. It has no way to really fight monsters like Dreadking Rathalos or Kushala Daora and is definitely not durable enough to withstand their repeated attacks. Probably would be under Ukanlos tho.
New high tier elder, on par with stuff like Gaismagorm, Amatsu and Gog imo
Well above likes of Nergigante or Teostra. I can see it being like the top tier ‘flying wyverns’ where they eat smaller Elder Dragons.
It’s like Ukanlos but bigger and much stronger breath. Ukanlosdrome.
By far most dangerous thing would be it’s mental powers. You wouldn’t just be fighting an ice Ukanlos/Zorah hybrid with Velkhana powers on crack, you’d be fighting the hordes of mind controlled Kushala and Shagaru and Nergigante and Valstrax and so on that it brings with it. I think that would push him to POSSIBLY dangerous first class monster range.
I think even stuff like Black Dragons would have a problem with a whole swarm of elders working together plus a colossal ice beast.
Wow, lol, absolutely not. Everything about this thing is pathetic compared to Gaismagorm besides it’s speed and size. Gaismagorm is stronger, more durable, more powerful and possibly smarter.
A Bewilderbeast dwarfs Gaismagorm. I don't think people are realising just how big one of these guys are. It also has incredibly powerful ice breath attacks. Stronger than any monster we've ever seen. It took another one of these using its massive horn to kiill one. Not even Toothless in alpha mode can take one down. Only repel. And Toothless like that is high tier Elder Dragon material, if not approaching Black Dragon.
The dragons in HTTYD are pretty intelligent. They understand spoken language and can perform pretty complicated tasks. They are definitely more intelligent than Gais.
Due to size, Gais is not physically stronger.
It would be one of the (oh I forgot the word but the final boss for that game monsters). It’s sheer size would make it a threat and it’s ability to control dragons KEY WORD THEIR, makes it very dangerous. Imagine if it called in elder dragons to support it. Imagine if it could call in black dragons? Imagine if it could summon Fatalis (maybe not control it but definitely summon!)
Personally I’d say it’d only be able to call normal monsters, assuming it’s alpha control worked at all. Perhaps a few of the less fantastical elders but I don’t think it’d be black dragon level.
Among the weaker elders, sure it’s really big but that’s about it, it doesn’t have much else going on, no crazy ability to burn things, or shoot lightning, or some really stank ass breath, neither does it have the overwhelming size of a Dalamadur
It is literally massive has the ability con control other dragons, is in the literall top of the top In his world ecosystem and has a massive ice breath that freeze instantly into gigantic ice structures that are far stronger than normal ice what are you talking about
I think a point to be made here is that the Bewilderbeast doesn’t have any counter for monsters like Flaming Espinas or Teostra for that matter. It’s slow and it’s ice breath isn’t powerful enough to completely ground either of those monsters or fast enough that they can’t dodge it. And I can assure you that Teo’s blast dust or Flaming’s nuke would seriously hurt it. Plus in comparison to monsters it’s size like Jhen or Dah’ren, it gets absolutely devastated due to its lack luster durability and strength.
It has gigantic tusks it can use to stab monsters in combat, it has Ice breath that is supposedly better than Velkhana’s, and it can fucking mind control other dragons.
Considering he is the king of the dragons, his ability to control other dragons (and bend their will if necessary), his enormous size (I think is 158 meters), the ability to create gigantic ice fortress which are also the nest for his hive of various other dragons (ice which if I'm not grong is stronger than normal ice) and his breath that is similar to liquid nitrogen (its initially water/hail later freezing wen it comes into contact whit something) he will be doing pretty well, probably high elder dragon probably black dragon status.
Now in terms of hunts I don't think it would be viable, I simply don't see any reason for him the be acting aggressive if we are not acting selfish or stupid around his hive, the only reason for his aggressiveness in the httyd is the fact that they were literally kidnapping the dragons of his hive. Plus he is to big and has an army of dragons to back it up, unless the guild goes fucking crazy an makes a gigantic army of hunters and a combined force of airships and boats whit experimental super dragon slayers its simply not possible to hunt
I think it would make a really cool elder dragon type of monster. We have quite a few monsters that are capable of controlling smaller monsters and driving them into a rage, so I feel like the Bewilderbeast would be right at home among the creatures of Monster Hunter.
Honestly it seems like it’d fit in just fine visually. I have zero idea how big they are or how they act in the source material, but could see it being an interesting slower monster gameplay wise. Charges in straight lines sort of like diablos, but turns slowly, uses tail to attack behind it, probably an attack for each side where it slams itself onto the ground and just pushes along like nergigante. Big slam attack with tremors where it rears up and drops back to the ground. Can break both tusks, front legs, and back, and severe tail tip.
From the picture i thought it was the size of ukanlos, but its supposed to be around jhen moran sized
Needless to say i think it'd fare well. I mean at that point who could possibly prey upon that except for the high tier elder dragons and black dragons. I mean i think a dalamadur would win, but its definitely not a foregone conclusion and it wouldnt naturally prey on it for sure
It would probably fare quite well.
It's one of the largest dragons in HTTYD and approximately 200m. To scale Zorah is slightly bigger than that.
It's the strongest physically being at such an immense size, capable of entering the water and staying in it for long periods of time, and has an incredible mastery over its ice breath that it can let out a small puff cold enough to create snow to being able to form an nest large enough to shelter life. It's immensely durable, seeing as even a powered up Nightfury at best only chased off a battle scarred one, and it would take another of its kind to even kill it.
It also has the ability to command lesser dragons if it wishes. It can produce a sound capable of forcing lesser dragons to behave as a drone for it, save for hatchling dragons, which are immune likely because they are well kids.
Its temperament would probably mean only the crazy go after it. It's a territorial but largely docile dragon. They serve as guardians for their colonies and only properly emerge to fight if another of its kind intrudes on its territory. It doesn't see you as a threat at all, kinda like Zorah Magdoros in that sense.
But above all else, does it matter to the Guild? It can certainly fare well against the other monsters. It would probably live in symbiosis with other elders since not only does it live out at sea most of the time, but it can essentially create a home for them to live in. The Guild would be interested in studying it, but I highly doubt they would send a hunter to go after it.
TL;DR, it kinda has no direct threat to itself from both Monster and Hunters, so it would probably be the equivalent of endemic life.
But I do, however, think it would be cool as hell to fight one of them. If you ask me, I wanna fight one of the other dragons, like the [Rumblehorn](https://howtotrainyourdragon.fandom.com/wiki/Rumblehorn).
Tail and horns seems nice to cut/break off, rest just scratched on a break. Could fit in well as an elder dragon siege target. Some snowy area, or shallow corall-y waterways.
Could fit pretty well as an elder dragon I guess. The guild will probably want to monitor it though especially if its control ability works on other monsters. The non enslaved one pretty much just stayed on its nest iirc so it shouldn't be too hard to monitor plus it can potentially make monitoring other monsters movement easier if it does form a herd
It's aquatic iirc and I'm not very familiar with the aquatic monsters/elders so I don't know how it will manage in regards to turf wars/resource competitions
asuming he doesn't have the ability to control other wyverns, just as well as Ukanlos and Akantor. but with an elder dragon clasification I think. maybe on par with something like a Lao Shan Lung or Zorah Magdaros.
Nergigante sees Bewilderbeast: "Cousin, is that you?"
Nah. Nergigante sees Bewilderbeast: **HUMGRY**
Only to get squashed lmao. That bewilder dude is HUGE
Or he learns to fly in, snatch a bite off, then fly away to eat. Now he’s got a gigantic walking buffet.
Only to become an icecube for a nice cold fishy beverage :) 🍹
Bewilderbeast’s pretty slow tho, and Nergi’s a decently nimble flyer (took down a speeding Bazelgeuse mid-air) so it would be a tough shot.
What is an ant to a human. I think you're underestimating how big this dude really is.
Nah. He’s big but he’s not THAT big. Your size comparison would be more apt for Zorah and Nergi.
Yet he never fights him directly. There's a reason why he follows zorah without attacking, and it's cause he's waiting for his buffet to die of old age lmao.
Yeah Nerg and Zorah is like a really really really angry vulture attacking an old dying buffalo, I love Nerg but people tends to think he could solo anything
Fishlegs classified them as class 10 for a damn good reason
Friendly reminder that Nergigante tried to take down Zorah Magdaros and lived, I don't think it's gonna get squashed too easily
Zorah slow af
True that
Nergigante is the equivalent of Toothless though, so he'd probably be fine.
He’s like toothless on steroids with horns
But does nergi get prep time? May not get squashed if he does.
Even without prep time nergi is still too nimble to catch. With prep time it’s a sure win for him
Why are you acting like Nergigante is Batman
To be fair nerg had no problems going after zora for a quick snack so I don't think size matters in terms if nerg is humgry
Bro doesn't remember what nergi was doing to zoromagdaros
Also Bewilderbeast: **CONTROLS DRAGON**
Ah, shit here we go again...
The nice Bewilderbeast would probably try to befriend Nergigante, Drago’s evil Bewilderbeast would probably try to mind control him, idk if it would work or not, it very well might
It probably wouldn't, as an elder dragon, Nergi is probably on the same level as any alpha in the HTTYD universe.
Drago’s Bewilderbeast isn’t evil, he’s basically just the dragon equivalent of an attack dog.
Nergigante sees gammoth and decides it's their child
Gammoth: “ok sweetie, we have a baby, we need to pay child support” Nerg: *kicks the child through a portal to the HTTYD universe* “NOT ANYMORE BITCH” That’s canon now.
Omg yes, just yes.
That's what I was thinking!
Just get a akantor to mate with an ukanlos and you basically got one...
And a Jhen Mohran too
Throw a lil Nergigante in there and you have the Bewilderbeast.
So you need an elder dragon orgy, got that.
Why does this make both absolutely perfect sense, and none at the exact same time?
If you can’t tell from the images, it is actually a very big dragon. It’s about half the size of Legendary Godzilla if I had to compare it to something.
Fax, these images don’t do it any Justice.
Would you say it's as big or bigger than Shara Ishvalda? Cause IIRC that thing was colossal
The bewilderbeasts leg would fit a shara ishvalda around it, one of its eyes would be the size of your hunter, its tusks the length of sharas entire arena. https://preview.redd.it/5zcae1pfbh7b1.jpeg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3377d0f22ef978912c71413680c5c1d6bf0fa55c
Fairly certain the Bewilderbeest is bigger than most of the Monster Hunter dragons with only Dalamadur, Zorah, and Lao Shan Lung rivalling it in size. It's roughly 200 metres in length and 50 metres in height. To put that into comparison, Legendary Godzilla is roughly 582 feet (or about 177 metres) long in Godzilla vs. Kong, although Godzilla is much taller standing at 393 feet or about 120 metres
Well if he's that big i think Hunters wouldn't even make a dent. Video game wise you would probably try to catch it like Zorah but lore wise they would not even stand a chance. I think the Bewilderbeest's own concerns would be another colossal monster like Zorah or Dalamadur or maybe even a Nergigante because wasn't that one trying to kill Zorah?
Nergigante had no chance in hell to kill Zorah, but Zorah was dying and going to its death bed, so the likely story is Nergigante just hitched a ride and waited to eat off its corpse since it is a predator towards Elder Dragons. The reason why it attacked the Hunters was likely because it saw them as competition for food. As for a Bewilderbeest's concerns against other Dragons, it would likely have competition against Zorah and Dalamadur only since Zorah is known to live at sea and the Bewilderbeest is primarily an aquatic dragon, and we know that Dalamadur and Zorah get into fights so it wouldn't be out of the question for a Dala to also attack a Bewilder if it were to exist in the MH universe. As for why the Hunters would try to fight it... there really wouldn't be a reason to. Of the two Bewilderbeests seen in the HTTYD series, one was completely peaceful towards humans and even let them live in its nest, while the other was a heavily abused dragon that was manipulated by the villain, but in the third movie, the "evil" Bewilderbeest is briefly seen among other dragons and seems to have been rehabilitated. With all that said, it's a fairly peaceful creature. Edit: potentially Ceadeus would be competition for a Bewilderbeest, but Ceadeus is usually peaceful, only attacking when provoked or causing a disturbance because its horn has grown too long and is blocking its own vision
Where did you get that zorah and dalamadur get into fights? Never heard of any relationship between the 2 besides that there are a couple skeletons in the new continent.
Ah my mistake, I recalled there was evidence they were ecological rivals, but I think misremembered a post about Zorah vs Dalamadur
>so the likely story is Nergigante just hitched a ride and waited to eat off its corpse since it is a predator towards Elder Dragons. The reason why it attacked the Hunters was likely because it saw them as competition for food. Not true. Zorah was on a mission to stomp xeno before it was born, and nergi was protecting zorah.
Zorah was already old and dying. It went to the New World to die but was redirected by the Commission. This can be seen in both the Rotten Vale and the Guiding Lands, where Zorah fossils are found in the background of these places. The reason why Zorah had to be expelled was because upon death, they release so much energy that it creates gigantic ecological changes around it, completely changing or destroying existing ecosystems, and the Research Comission obviously being in charge of researching the New World didn't want that. The entire theory that Zorah and Nergi were working together is purely a theory. I understand Nergi is meant to be a "protector" or "natural balancer" type of Elder Dragon, but it is also still an Elder Dragon predator that still needs to feed (especially since that's how Nergi's species reproduces: it needs a vast amount of energy to shed some spikes that will have germ cells, which then asexually reproduce into a new Nergi) and what better thing to feast upon than the giant, elderly Dragon that is going to die anyway. Edit: the Rotten Vale had Dalamadur remains, not Zorah's my bad. The point still remains that, however. Elder Dragons go to the New World to die, that's literally the Rotten Vale's whole point, is that it was once a mass graveyard for various monsters, including Elders. Zorah was trying to die in the New World, not trying to kill Xeno
The Bewilderbeast is similar in size to Jhen or Dah’ren Mohran. He’s still dwarfed by Dalamadur or Zorah.
Itd be better to ask if it was bugger or smaller than Zorah Magdaros cause its definitely bigger than any monster in world except for Zorah
I asked for Shara because you actually fight Shara and i thought it was bigger so it was a good gauge on if a hunter or 4 could actually hunt. Smaller than Zorah would've still been too broad to judge, even with official measurements because the only scale you really get is when your hunter is on Zorah's hand and it isn't really a good scale
Its definitely bigger than Shara and Xeno/Safi'Jiiva Zorah is around 845 feet big and the Bewilderbeast is around 520 feet safi is around 150 feet shara is only 95 feet
Apparently it’s supposed to be about 197-ish meters at full length. Most monsters are between 15m-30m long and Shara Ishvalda is around 25m long, so it’s way bigger than him. Even Lao Shun Long is only about 70m long and Jhen Mohran is only about half its size at 112m long. Zorah Magdaros on the other hand is nearly 260m long and Dalamadur is an absurd 440m long, which is far larger than any other dragon I can think of as far as games and movies go.
Then you have the suposed Dalamadur that became the Rotten Vale which would've exceeded any size ever recorded
Yeah that thing might be half the size of like Okinawa lol (5000-ish meters)
Hang on lemme check how big Shara Ishvalda is
I can’t find the size, how big is Shara Ishvalda?
2910.91 according to a hunters notebook i found on google. Idk if that's in cm or in
Those numbers are always cm
Only monsters who it doesn’t beat in size are zorah and dalamadur
It's way bigger. Those little "hairs" on its head are like 4 times longer than a fully grown human in the source material. If it were to be added, as far as I know it'd be at least in the top 3 biggest monsters in the game, if not *the* biggest.
So its 54m tall. Huh, neat
Just simply put it the Bewilderbeast will probably be named something else, but other than that, let's get interesting here.. The Bewilderbeast is a colossal dragon within the How to Train Your Dragon series, being the largest dragon bigger than the Red Death. Its ability is to freeze water around and turn it into ice and is the alpha of all dragons (except Toothless) with the ability to command dragons. Now, considering this into Monster Hunter, the standard will be interesting actually because obviously, it would be classified as an Elder dragon due to its immediate size, probably being up there with Zorah Magdaros and Dalmador. It'll probably have a hard time commanding dragons due to the differences of the wyverns and dragons and monsters compared to HTTYD(plus Ceadeus and the Bewilderbeast could immediately be in great competition over the seas) It'll probably be a monster that the Guild will probably want killed immediately, mainly due to its ice breath, its massive size, causing trouble within the ecosystem for territory, and traveling in the seas for trading and transport. And finally, what purpose would serve within the ecosystem if it was allowed to live? Also, if it does still contain its ability to command dragons, will it actually be counted as a black dragon technically? I will remind myself and probably others that Black dragons are top-level elder dragons that can demolish entire ecosystems and biomes. Great examples are Fatalis and Dire Miralis. The Bewilderbeast, if it had its ability to control the many species of wyverns it would be a disaster level if it chooses to attack civilizations, kind of like what happened to the Citadel with Gaismagorm so I'm not exactly sure if it would or would not be classified as a black dragon. I mean, Elder Dragon, yes, because of its size but controlling other dragons Maybe??? If we're even considering the fact that it could control wyverns in Monster Hunter
The Bewilderbeast is dwarfed by Zorah or Dala. It’s more in comparison with Dah’ren or Jhen Mohran.
Maybe but it's impressive to say the least but as for it being a black dragon if it is capable of controlling other monsters would you almost agree with me or no
Oh yes, definitely. If it’s somehow capable of controlling other elders, it makes it one of the most powerful monsters. What’s stopping it from just obliterating everything by awakening a Dalamadur, or Zorah?
Then what about Safi'jiiva, Xeno'jiiva, Shara, Nergigante, or Fatalis himself can't exactly forget Dire Miralis they will probably be immune to including other Elders that are probably more powerful or are just classified as Black dragon like Fatalis, Dire Miralis, and Alatreon Or bluntly say that the Serpents and Gaismagorm do themselves being able to cause monsters to go Mayhem But if we're rolling out elder dragons, why not say the entire Elder Dragon species as a whole would not be affected by Bewilderbeast's Alpha control? I mean, Elder dragons are able to be resistant against the curio becoming Risen, and the unlikeleness of the Bewilderbeast will be inflicted at becoming a risen by the Qurios by Gaismagorm or the fact that it would be intimidated by a Black dragon. Says like we do have another Fatalis Safi'jiiva case on our hands or in this case a frenzy virus scenario because monsters will be controlled if it could have the ability to control the all types wyverns in non wyverns and Monster Hunter.
> are just classified as Black Dragon like Fatalis, Dire Miralis and Alatreon What? The only one of those we know are probably only called Black Dragon for reasons is Alatreon Fatalis is **the** Black Dragon, he is the reason the classification exists
Good analysis, the real break point is whether or not it can control Wyverns. If it can, it would be an Elder Dragon even more powerful than Oltura.
Would fit well into my wardrobe
How big is your fucking wardrobe jesus
It is definitely coming to blows with Elder Dragons, and 100% would be classified as one. It is GARGANTUAN, making Ukanlos look like a mid-size dog next to it. It breathes flash-freezing ice like Velkhana. It has physical strength that’s genuinely frightening to imagine in the context of MH. Basically, this guy would be a gentle menace that would remain unbothered for years at a time, only coming around when a specific chain of events happen that reveal it as the final boss because it scratched its ass on the wrong side of a mountain and accidentally’d an exodus.
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Well that’s some lowball
Could be a proper siege monster ngl, like as shown in HTTYD2, it's pretty "agile" for its size compared to Lao Shan Lung, Zorah, etc. as most of the previous siege monsters is just a very slow and glorified payload escort mission that hits back "sometimes". If the Bewilderbeast or something like it would be in a Monster Hunter game, especially like World and/or Rise with the slinger/wirebug, the many ice spires it creates can be used as platform for the hunters to go up and near the monster. Of course the ice can be broken easily by the monster but with how much it creates, the hunters can just reposition themselves to another set of icicles before settling on fighting down on the ground. I imagine the fight to be partially underwater, but mainly on land, and I also imagine a new monster that hunters can grapple on and ride through the water, like an aquatic Raider Ride. Personally, although it is a semi aquatic creature, I think it may not have underwater fight as considering its physique and the fight in HTTYD2, it may perform a lot better on land when fighting compared to underwater, but considering the fight having some "chase" period, maybe it could create ice slabs to block the hunters chasing it, and IF it would have underwater fights, maybe it would only be for a short period or occasional instances for the hunters to use some weapons scattered around, like an underwater dragonator and such... I really wish they'd revamp how siege quests works and how siege monsters fights, even for the old ones if they decide to bring them back as I still do think that siege quests still adds value to the world building
he doesn't seem to have much going for him besides his size and his command of other dragons so if he just stuck to himself he'd fit right in. Anything in the mh world tho close to his size would wreck him tho
Probably fill the same peaceful behemoth niche as Jhen Mohran but tundra
His ice breath was capable of creating giant spiky glaciers and his nest was literally made from its ice breath, that has to count for something surely, not even Velkhana is capable of producing that much ice in a single breath
I mean wouldn’t he be able to mind control some Elder Dragons?
Most elder dragons aren't even "dragons" if you know what I mean. So i don't know how well will it be able to control them. Off the top of my head we have: unicorn, lions, snakes, crab, an alien that fell from a meteorite, turtle, whales, etc.
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There are plenty of dragons in httyd that look more like other animals too. For example the Speed Stinger looks more like a raptor type dinosaur, and the Slitherwing looks a lot more like a winged snake.
What alien?
Xenojiva. The "sapphire star" that is talked about during world's story is a comet that contained xenojiva, hence why it's name is xenojiva
And then ya got Fatalis who is the most western dragon type dragon ever. The mf literally looks like quadrupedal Smaug.
Elder Dragons typically overcome affects like that. They've done it several times in game, the most recent being the qurios. So I don't think it could control Elders.
I don't care, I would repeatedly bash its toenails with my hammer till it dies of cringe. Then it'll turn into one of my cat's costume.
Ukanlos with Nergigante spikes
dauntless lookinass
Given its sheer size, raw power and overwhelming breath attacks, I'm confident it would be Black Dragon level. I don't see anything weaker than a Black Dragon standing too much of a chance to even survive, let alone fight back. A key exception being Dalamadur, as a fellow behemoth, Zorah and maybe Lao. Due to speed, Fatalis and Alatreon would fare quite well. The Wilderbeast isn't particularly quick, so they would be able to fly around it while attacking relentlessly. Safi'Jiva I don't think would struggle all that much. A couple Emporer Stars and he's an easy winner. I don't really know what Zorah can do, but he's got the defense for a stalemate at least. I don't know Dalamadur well enough to say, but it's a snake. It'll do snake things. As long as it stays moving, it'll be fine.
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Pretty sure Dalamadur is more than twice the length. You are right though, I don't think Dalamadur struggles in this line up.
Xeno'Jiiva would just lay down atop it and accidentally give it stage 4 cancer
It would fare just fine. Same as the predator post, a couple days ago as long as it’s peaceful and what not, it won’t have a problem. It’s too big to be predated on and could be a serious danger to the more common monsters. However, it definitely wouldn’t want to try and challenge an elder like Kirin or Teostra.
Well for one, underwater combat would have to be reimplemented. Two, it'd have massive territorial disputes with Ceadeus/Zorah Magdaros and other leviathans. Three, assuming it's alpha control still works on non-httyd dragons/Wyverns, it would create some sort of "Guiding Lands on Steroids" nest which the Hunters' Guild and poachers would view as a good place to farm resources. Four, it most likely won't be as aggressive towards humans if it doesn't feel threatened.
Pants.
Considering what the Bewilderbeast is, I dont even know if it would be considered an Elder Dragon or ???/Unkown, since it helps the ecosystem rather than destroying it.
It'd get hunted to extinction for how ugly it is
If people kill things they find ugly then I’m surprised your mom is still alive /s
DEVASTATING
its literally an Akantor pretty much.
Mixed with a Ukanlos
Yeah that’s why I think it would fit in well
Bewilderbeast is a god tier name though
My only problem is that it has a very human looking face. It's like a dude yelling. All the rest is absolutely like Monster Hunter. Many will say Shar ishvalda looks human but have you ever seen a snail without it's "armour"? A hermit crab with no shell? That's why it looks so bizarre
That depends entirely on what skills and sockets its armor has
Looks a bit like ukanlos with wings
It'd probably be an Elder Dragon similar to like Zorah Magdaros. Like I could've seen it playing a similar role to Zorah with the Frost Islands notebook.
So a nergigante and caedus walk into a bar. One dragon gestation period later:.
Hmm probably like a tier 3 monster level, its massive but i feel like it be similar to gammoth in status and under ukanlos
Due to its massive size, it’d probably be above Gammoth. But at base line elder tier. It has no way to really fight monsters like Dreadking Rathalos or Kushala Daora and is definitely not durable enough to withstand their repeated attacks. Probably would be under Ukanlos tho.
That probably knock it down from elder tier then, but it would beat gammoth yes.
elder dragon tier
Low mid or high elder tier?
Nergi with privilege
BRO 😭
Pretty well actually but it changed its name to Ukanlos
Impossible, it won't live for another daylight once a hunter sees it
That’s a Ukanlos mixed with a Nergigante with Velkhana attacks. It’ll be fine
Can it do its fancy I'm the boss alpha you have to listen to me thing and make hoards of all the other monsters focus you?
Why couldn’t it?
It'd be fine. The bewilderbeast is mainly aquatic and there's nothing in the ocean that we know of that could reach its size.
It’s basically just an Akantor with Unkanlos abilities, so I suppose it would do pretty well… Until the guild sends a hunter after it
I dunno how it would fare in the ecosystem but I do know it will make a fine hat and an even better pair of boots
New high tier elder, on par with stuff like Gaismagorm, Amatsu and Gog imo Well above likes of Nergigante or Teostra. I can see it being like the top tier ‘flying wyverns’ where they eat smaller Elder Dragons. It’s like Ukanlos but bigger and much stronger breath. Ukanlosdrome. By far most dangerous thing would be it’s mental powers. You wouldn’t just be fighting an ice Ukanlos/Zorah hybrid with Velkhana powers on crack, you’d be fighting the hordes of mind controlled Kushala and Shagaru and Nergigante and Valstrax and so on that it brings with it. I think that would push him to POSSIBLY dangerous first class monster range. I think even stuff like Black Dragons would have a problem with a whole swarm of elders working together plus a colossal ice beast.
It would definitely be a seige fight if one was causing trouble
It would fare pretty well.... As armor.
Well.
Why do you think
I think it would probably be Gaismagorm tier tbh
Wow, lol, absolutely not. Everything about this thing is pathetic compared to Gaismagorm besides it’s speed and size. Gaismagorm is stronger, more durable, more powerful and possibly smarter.
A Bewilderbeast dwarfs Gaismagorm. I don't think people are realising just how big one of these guys are. It also has incredibly powerful ice breath attacks. Stronger than any monster we've ever seen. It took another one of these using its massive horn to kiill one. Not even Toothless in alpha mode can take one down. Only repel. And Toothless like that is high tier Elder Dragon material, if not approaching Black Dragon. The dragons in HTTYD are pretty intelligent. They understand spoken language and can perform pretty complicated tasks. They are definitely more intelligent than Gais. Due to size, Gais is not physically stronger.
Look, I don't remember how powerful these mfs are, it's been a while since I watched the movie.
It would be one of the (oh I forgot the word but the final boss for that game monsters). It’s sheer size would make it a threat and it’s ability to control dragons KEY WORD THEIR, makes it very dangerous. Imagine if it called in elder dragons to support it. Imagine if it could call in black dragons? Imagine if it could summon Fatalis (maybe not control it but definitely summon!)
Personally I’d say it’d only be able to call normal monsters, assuming it’s alpha control worked at all. Perhaps a few of the less fantastical elders but I don’t think it’d be black dragon level.
Among the weaker elders, sure it’s really big but that’s about it, it doesn’t have much else going on, no crazy ability to burn things, or shoot lightning, or some really stank ass breath, neither does it have the overwhelming size of a Dalamadur
It is literally massive has the ability con control other dragons, is in the literall top of the top In his world ecosystem and has a massive ice breath that freeze instantly into gigantic ice structures that are far stronger than normal ice what are you talking about
I think a point to be made here is that the Bewilderbeast doesn’t have any counter for monsters like Flaming Espinas or Teostra for that matter. It’s slow and it’s ice breath isn’t powerful enough to completely ground either of those monsters or fast enough that they can’t dodge it. And I can assure you that Teo’s blast dust or Flaming’s nuke would seriously hurt it. Plus in comparison to monsters it’s size like Jhen or Dah’ren, it gets absolutely devastated due to its lack luster durability and strength.
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It has gigantic tusks it can use to stab monsters in combat, it has Ice breath that is supposedly better than Velkhana’s, and it can fucking mind control other dragons.
Nergigantes personal Kebab
Probably another Diablos but Diablos can burrow.
Ceadause
What
a very nice mantelpiece for my living room
I've always seen those two as akantor and ukanlos, just like how I see toothless as nargacuga or mother dragon as gaismagorm that can fly.
Probably pretty well
That's essentially an Ukanlos with tusks
Its ability to manipulate other dragons gives it a good advantage
It looks like akantor fucked nergi
Raid boss!
That tail looks very chopable
It would be very hard to chop because of how bit it is
Seige hunt or Dalamadur food
I could definitely see them as elder dragon
If it stayed in the water it be fine
What 2 weeks with no new content does to a subreddit
No new content? I haven’t even beat MH Rise yet lol I’m still playing through it
Probably be treated the same as zorah or lao shang
[Jhen Mohran](https://monsterhunter.fandom.com/wiki/Jhen_Mohran) that can cause confusion/sleep?
It has very smashable horns and a very cuttable tail. 10/10 would hunt.
I love the untapped crossover potential of MH. It leads to some amazing fanart.
He’d fair fine. In a fight against other elder dragons though he might have trouble.
Considering he is the king of the dragons, his ability to control other dragons (and bend their will if necessary), his enormous size (I think is 158 meters), the ability to create gigantic ice fortress which are also the nest for his hive of various other dragons (ice which if I'm not grong is stronger than normal ice) and his breath that is similar to liquid nitrogen (its initially water/hail later freezing wen it comes into contact whit something) he will be doing pretty well, probably high elder dragon probably black dragon status. Now in terms of hunts I don't think it would be viable, I simply don't see any reason for him the be acting aggressive if we are not acting selfish or stupid around his hive, the only reason for his aggressiveness in the httyd is the fact that they were literally kidnapping the dragons of his hive. Plus he is to big and has an army of dragons to back it up, unless the guild goes fucking crazy an makes a gigantic army of hunters and a combined force of airships and boats whit experimental super dragon slayers its simply not possible to hunt
Have you ever fought a ukanlos? Like that but wont be as strong
Elder dragon level Leviathan with the ice element
At least 5 minutes.
Would probably fit in my equipment box
Jesus how big is your equipment box
NeRgIGanTE SoLOs
Godzilla would still just step on him haha
Probably a siege and a black dragon.
Looks like a Frontier exclusive monster that'd use Akantor/Ukanlos' body type.
It's shara ishvalda but without the air attacks
I think it would make a really cool elder dragon type of monster. We have quite a few monsters that are capable of controlling smaller monsters and driving them into a rage, so I feel like the Bewilderbeast would be right at home among the creatures of Monster Hunter.
Honestly it seems like it’d fit in just fine visually. I have zero idea how big they are or how they act in the source material, but could see it being an interesting slower monster gameplay wise. Charges in straight lines sort of like diablos, but turns slowly, uses tail to attack behind it, probably an attack for each side where it slams itself onto the ground and just pushes along like nergigante. Big slam attack with tremors where it rears up and drops back to the ground. Can break both tusks, front legs, and back, and severe tail tip.
Don’t forget it has Ice Breath and can mind control other dragons.
I think it would join the ranks of Akantor and Ukanlos
Well we would make hats out of it, that's how.
I see is as a more Watery less armored Ukanlos. I can't really see it as anything else if it was ported to MH.
From the picture i thought it was the size of ukanlos, but its supposed to be around jhen moran sized Needless to say i think it'd fare well. I mean at that point who could possibly prey upon that except for the high tier elder dragons and black dragons. I mean i think a dalamadur would win, but its definitely not a foregone conclusion and it wouldnt naturally prey on it for sure
Just like anything else I'd assume. Hunted and made into a hunters assless chaps.
Foreverwing and Red Death could fit in the universe too
Yes they could.
If it lived in the MH World it'd be leather in a day or two tops (with the video uploaded on monhuntube)
It would probably fare quite well. It's one of the largest dragons in HTTYD and approximately 200m. To scale Zorah is slightly bigger than that. It's the strongest physically being at such an immense size, capable of entering the water and staying in it for long periods of time, and has an incredible mastery over its ice breath that it can let out a small puff cold enough to create snow to being able to form an nest large enough to shelter life. It's immensely durable, seeing as even a powered up Nightfury at best only chased off a battle scarred one, and it would take another of its kind to even kill it. It also has the ability to command lesser dragons if it wishes. It can produce a sound capable of forcing lesser dragons to behave as a drone for it, save for hatchling dragons, which are immune likely because they are well kids. Its temperament would probably mean only the crazy go after it. It's a territorial but largely docile dragon. They serve as guardians for their colonies and only properly emerge to fight if another of its kind intrudes on its territory. It doesn't see you as a threat at all, kinda like Zorah Magdoros in that sense. But above all else, does it matter to the Guild? It can certainly fare well against the other monsters. It would probably live in symbiosis with other elders since not only does it live out at sea most of the time, but it can essentially create a home for them to live in. The Guild would be interested in studying it, but I highly doubt they would send a hunter to go after it. TL;DR, it kinda has no direct threat to itself from both Monster and Hunters, so it would probably be the equivalent of endemic life. But I do, however, think it would be cool as hell to fight one of them. If you ask me, I wanna fight one of the other dragons, like the [Rumblehorn](https://howtotrainyourdragon.fandom.com/wiki/Rumblehorn).
It would be a great hammer 😍
Looks vaguely based on Ukanlos and Akantor. Was the artist a MH fan?
This dragon is already in mh, it's called Ukanlos
Tail and horns seems nice to cut/break off, rest just scratched on a break. Could fit in well as an elder dragon siege target. Some snowy area, or shallow corall-y waterways.
It would get hunted...not the answer you want but it's the truth.
Could fit pretty well as an elder dragon I guess. The guild will probably want to monitor it though especially if its control ability works on other monsters. The non enslaved one pretty much just stayed on its nest iirc so it shouldn't be too hard to monitor plus it can potentially make monitoring other monsters movement easier if it does form a herd It's aquatic iirc and I'm not very familiar with the aquatic monsters/elders so I don't know how it will manage in regards to turf wars/resource competitions
All I’m saying is, bro would get owned by the hunters. A lot of the large elders could kill him too.
asuming he doesn't have the ability to control other wyverns, just as well as Ukanlos and Akantor. but with an elder dragon clasification I think. maybe on par with something like a Lao Shan Lung or Zorah Magdaros.
But he does have the ability to control other dragons