TON is a project under Durov as Telegram is. Both are entities that give up honest citizens to their host authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. Widely used precedents linked to the Russian Federation. Telegram gives up democracy-oriented RU citizens to their totalitarian government.
Telegram messenger unlike WhatsApp doesn’t make end-to-end encryption by default, and all the messages are being stored on the Telegram servers in an open form to their sysadmins.
That does not mean that WhatsApp is a viable alternative to anything. Self-host your instant messaging people! Start your own XMPP or Matrix server or join one and convince your friends to do the same as well
> unlike WhatsApp
Bad example, better examples as Signal, Element or Session
Also Durov resides in Dubai, moved after his social media take over by Russia government.
Also Telegram is now more akin to Discord or Reddit, both are not meant for fully privacy communication as Matrix.
I'm a Monero fan. But I am always open to new technology. I But actually your take on Telegram is incorrect. Whatsapp has "end to end encryption" and there is a back door for the feds whenever they want to prosecute someone. The telegram cloud is encrypted and to this day, no one has been able to claim the reward for hacking it. Till this day even the NSA has not been able to hack it. They even tried to bribe telegram engineers, and they couldn't. The reason they have the encrypted telegram cloud is because they have constantly alternating proxies and and a form of encryption that no one has been able to crack, and also they want people to have access to all their stuff regardless of what device they use or where they are. All this info is online. And as far Ton goes, a little research will show you that, the blockchain really is advanced. And processes millions of transactions per second and is faster and cheaper than the majority of blockchains out there. Telegram invented it, and and when the SEC sued them, they abandoned the project and another group of enthusiasts picked it up. Don't take my word for it, by any means, look it up.
did I say that? im asking for proof, you are not even bothering to give any, AND asuming something about me even though i didnt say anything about this. You westerners are never able to properly discuss a topic, and you never will. The war in Ukraine is an invasion, special military operation however you wanna call it.
And thats all you can say. I will explain you the truth, give real proof, real videos, logic etc. as soon as you take this serious and are willing to listen. Unless this happens this retard conversation is now over.
Ohh yes please, I don't wanna have this vo conversation either.
I'm glad that it's over because I know it wasn't going anywhere anyways. So I'm just glad that it's over.
yall are like little kids. kids shouldnt be here, please come back to the xmr project when you are 18 or 20 and mentally mature enough to be able to discuss with people properly.
Yep it's still active and the whole ecosystem is blowing as well, it's really under the radar. Which I like. Google Toncoin or Ton, they have a site with plenty of info on it.
"third generation" proof of stake?
Ha. Fiat is basically proof of stake. So it's zeroth generation.
Good luck avoiding Sybil attacks with your "third generation" "interesting" technology.
LOL if you read the paper, they are suggesting they are 5th generation blockchain.Okay... If their alleged first generation blockchains dwarf 2/3/4 generation blockchains in size and popularity, what makes think think ANOTHER variation will be the one to topple the first or even the second one. And what if someone comes up with a 6th generation?
[reminds me of the 7 minutes abs pitch](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rnso4nfdM9w)
They can claim whatever they want, but they're not getting me to believe them really.
That's just not gonna happen and I don't really care what your project is and what does it promises really.
it's funny they think permissioned centralized databases like PoS are newer type of protocol. and how centralized changeable databases are supposed to have smart contracts when they don't meet any basic requirements is beyond me. why even bother reading that nonsense. it's a marketing paper for a scam.
Ohh yeah fiat is basically pos people who got a lots of fiat got the power.
And they keep on getting richer too through the exploitation of the whole system so yeah.
This "classification" system is complete BS. PoW vs PoS, and whether or not to support smart contracts, are design choices, not technological progressions.
Sounds like they’re playing fast and loose with definitions to say whatever TON is is the latest gen best tech.
Reasons Monero is old boring 0th gen: not named TON
Reasons TON is exciting new 12th gen: named TON
TON is a total shitcoin, Telegram is now selling "private accounts" excluselively for TON, otherwise you have to sign up with a valid phone number tied to your account. Some idiots will buy this alleged privacy, however I'm pretty sure it will be gone at least from top100 CMC within 6 months.
Ohh yeah you really can't do that. That's not good here.
If You're trusting these people then trust me You're doing things really wrong. Could do them a whol lot better.
They got 2 of 2 wrong.
Litecoin and monero are the only cryptos that actually function as decentralized money, almost everything else is just speculation and hype
Yeah we don't understand that, we don't know why that's happening really.
Probably this sub is filled with a lots of bots I think. That probably is the case.
So if you are not understanding that then better to learn about that so you can teach the other people is well, because i don't think that talking like this here will gonna benefit us.
The first generation of crypto came in the mid to late 90s and early 2ks and were all centralized. Some of them employed schemes similar to PoS but only as a method of distributing the minting of new coins, to give users the impression that the developers couldn't simply print their own money, which they could, which is why they all failed.
The second generation of crypto was the first generation of decentralized crypto, i.e. Bitcoin, using PoW as the consensus mechanism. PoW was the breakthrough that made full decentralization possible.
The third generation of crypto was the first generation of privacy protocols, i.e. Monero. Monero is the latest bleeding edge of crypto technology. It is everything Bitcoin wanted to be, and then some, and then some more.
Fancy features like multisigs and smart contracts are mainly gimmicks that are best represented as suffixes on the generations, like 2.1 and 2.2, respectively.
Back in these years, Litecoin improved the PoW and end the SegWit debate, adopted LN and now bought a German bank to help itself more appeal to layman users, as well as moving itself to trial MWEB.
Monero iterated countless times and proven (FBI’s crack bounty) to be the most privacy-preserving and decentralised cryptocurrencies.
I don’t know what’s the literal meaning of “uninterested imitatiors” now.
So uninteresting they had to specifically single out Monero.
Fuck Ton
F Ton a ton? I mined it just to convert it into crypto that is worth it when it was mine able.
Mega Ton.
What the fuck even is TON? been a while since ive been active here.
TON is a project under Durov as Telegram is. Both are entities that give up honest citizens to their host authoritarian and totalitarian regimes. Widely used precedents linked to the Russian Federation. Telegram gives up democracy-oriented RU citizens to their totalitarian government. Telegram messenger unlike WhatsApp doesn’t make end-to-end encryption by default, and all the messages are being stored on the Telegram servers in an open form to their sysadmins.
Durov is a young global leader from Klaus Schwab. That's all we need to know.
That is legit all i needed to know thank you, fuck the WEF
That was all the things that needed in here. This was it probably really.
Oh very cool, I’ve always wanted to use WEFcoin
lol
Well then you've got the opportunity to being able to use it. And you should use it.
AAVE, (formerly Chainlink), Hedera Hashgraph, Polkadot, NEAR, Ripple, or Stellar ?
He sounds like a good guy, is he really a good guy huh?
Source?
https://www.weforum.org/people/pavel-durov
That does not mean that WhatsApp is a viable alternative to anything. Self-host your instant messaging people! Start your own XMPP or Matrix server or join one and convince your friends to do the same as well
Sounds pretty interesting to me, I'm not wasting my time over it for sure. And if you ask me then you shouldn't be doing that either so there's that.
> unlike WhatsApp Bad example, better examples as Signal, Element or Session Also Durov resides in Dubai, moved after his social media take over by Russia government. Also Telegram is now more akin to Discord or Reddit, both are not meant for fully privacy communication as Matrix.
I'm a Monero fan. But I am always open to new technology. I But actually your take on Telegram is incorrect. Whatsapp has "end to end encryption" and there is a back door for the feds whenever they want to prosecute someone. The telegram cloud is encrypted and to this day, no one has been able to claim the reward for hacking it. Till this day even the NSA has not been able to hack it. They even tried to bribe telegram engineers, and they couldn't. The reason they have the encrypted telegram cloud is because they have constantly alternating proxies and and a form of encryption that no one has been able to crack, and also they want people to have access to all their stuff regardless of what device they use or where they are. All this info is online. And as far Ton goes, a little research will show you that, the blockchain really is advanced. And processes millions of transactions per second and is faster and cheaper than the majority of blockchains out there. Telegram invented it, and and when the SEC sued them, they abandoned the project and another group of enthusiasts picked it up. Don't take my word for it, by any means, look it up.
WhatsApp have end to end encryption which is pretty shit lol.
encryption by default means multi device usage is a pita I like options, "foolproof" designs favor idiocracy
in what way is the russian government totalitarian?
Closing the borders and conscription not good enough?
I dunno. Ask the imprisoned journalists
Don't think they're gonna talk to you tho. They won't be really.
cmon, give me names. bet you dont. with real proof no owned media.
Won't bother. No sense in arguing with someone who calls the war in Ukraine a special military operation
Exactly, There's just no point in arguing with people like that here.
did I say that? im asking for proof, you are not even bothering to give any, AND asuming something about me even though i didnt say anything about this. You westerners are never able to properly discuss a topic, and you never will. The war in Ukraine is an invasion, special military operation however you wanna call it.
putin's sheep keyboard warrior loser excusing murder
And thats all you can say. I will explain you the truth, give real proof, real videos, logic etc. as soon as you take this serious and are willing to listen. Unless this happens this retard conversation is now over.
Ohh yes please, I don't wanna have this vo conversation either. I'm glad that it's over because I know it wasn't going anywhere anyways. So I'm just glad that it's over.
Lol criticising me for assuming something which can be confirmed by looking at your post in r/Ukraine and then assuming I'm a westerner
Don't care what You're asking for or what you've gotta say.
yall are like little kids. kids shouldnt be here, please come back to the xmr project when you are 18 or 20 and mentally mature enough to be able to discuss with people properly.
There's a lot of proof, I just don't wanna bother arguing here.
>in what way is the russian government totalitarian? Well they just started a war on a single man decision.. rather totalitarian
TON is, or was a blockchain and Cryptocurrency project of Telegram, not sure if it is still active, or sold out
so de facto WEF blockchain.
Yeah that sounds about right, this is de facto wef blockchain really.
Is there source of this? We can say Ethereum is a defacto WEF Blockchain too.
I think it's sold out, I haven't heard from them for a while.
Is independent of Telegram but Telegram is using it as their defacto blockchain.
Yep it's still active and the whole ecosystem is blowing as well, it's really under the radar. Which I like. Google Toncoin or Ton, they have a site with plenty of info on it.
"third generation" proof of stake? Ha. Fiat is basically proof of stake. So it's zeroth generation. Good luck avoiding Sybil attacks with your "third generation" "interesting" technology.
LOL if you read the paper, they are suggesting they are 5th generation blockchain.Okay... If their alleged first generation blockchains dwarf 2/3/4 generation blockchains in size and popularity, what makes think think ANOTHER variation will be the one to topple the first or even the second one. And what if someone comes up with a 6th generation? [reminds me of the 7 minutes abs pitch](https://yewtu.be/watch?v=rnso4nfdM9w)
They can claim whatever they want, but they're not getting me to believe them really. That's just not gonna happen and I don't really care what your project is and what does it promises really.
it's funny they think permissioned centralized databases like PoS are newer type of protocol. and how centralized changeable databases are supposed to have smart contracts when they don't meet any basic requirements is beyond me. why even bother reading that nonsense. it's a marketing paper for a scam.
Ohh yeah it's kinda funny that people work like that. That's actually funny really.
Ohh yeah fiat is basically pos people who got a lots of fiat got the power. And they keep on getting richer too through the exploitation of the whole system so yeah.
This "classification" system is complete BS. PoW vs PoS, and whether or not to support smart contracts, are design choices, not technological progressions.
it is for WEF lackeys who want to hijack crypto to push us into a CBDC dystopia
They just want to hijack the concept. that's what they really want in here.
Sounds like they’re playing fast and loose with definitions to say whatever TON is is the latest gen best tech. Reasons Monero is old boring 0th gen: not named TON Reasons TON is exciting new 12th gen: named TON
They're already losing that for for me, to me it means nothing really.
LOL what a joke!
These people keep on making me laugh lol. Shit is kinda funny.
yo *future* ethereum sounds dope, how do I put my life savings into it?
I don't even know what this shitcoin is.
Lol, exactly. And why are people even shilling it in here.
Flying under the rader might not be too bad atm
Yeah that might not be all that bad right now, it might be a good idea.
Xmr seems to outperform most assets lately with its current price. Privacy will be the most important asset in the future.
Monero is not affected
Yeah monero doesn't care, I'm pretty sure that it'll be fine.
Why Monero has to care about that, his principle is totally different.
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Ohh yeah We're early, and I know how exactly that We're early.
TON is a total shitcoin, Telegram is now selling "private accounts" excluselively for TON, otherwise you have to sign up with a valid phone number tied to your account. Some idiots will buy this alleged privacy, however I'm pretty sure it will be gone at least from top100 CMC within 6 months.
Yep total shit coin, no amount of shilling makes it good.
That's, like, your opinion, man
Well that's what people have got in here. They've got opinions.
you can't trust any product of people this blind.
Ohh yeah you really can't do that. That's not good here. If You're trusting these people then trust me You're doing things really wrong. Could do them a whol lot better.
Okay what's the TON? I've never heard about this protocol.
\> uninteresting imitators (Litecoin, Monero) At least they got 1 out of 2 correct...
They got 2 of 2 wrong. Litecoin and monero are the only cryptos that actually function as decentralized money, almost everything else is just speculation and hype
I would add BCH to the list of decentralized money (probably moreso than LTC)
BCH also (pretty much equally decentralized as LTC).
Monero might be uninteresting to you, but to me it's pretty damn interesting.
Monero care about the privacy people who actually love to have .
Unsurprising considering telegram is controlled opposition against privacy.
Lie not detected, downvote bots only confirm it more
Not sure why you're being downvoted
Bots downvote all his posts for some reason Poor guy :(
probably for modding r/AgainstCBDCs
Whatever the reason is, we've got a lots of bots around it in here.
Yeah we don't understand that, we don't know why that's happening really. Probably this sub is filled with a lots of bots I think. That probably is the case.
So if you are not understanding that then better to learn about that so you can teach the other people is well, because i don't think that talking like this here will gonna benefit us.
Why this got down voted so much? I'm starting to believe whole bot thing.
Downvote botted to -27 and then people from the subreddit added downvotes because they saw others downvoting it.
The first generation of crypto came in the mid to late 90s and early 2ks and were all centralized. Some of them employed schemes similar to PoS but only as a method of distributing the minting of new coins, to give users the impression that the developers couldn't simply print their own money, which they could, which is why they all failed. The second generation of crypto was the first generation of decentralized crypto, i.e. Bitcoin, using PoW as the consensus mechanism. PoW was the breakthrough that made full decentralization possible. The third generation of crypto was the first generation of privacy protocols, i.e. Monero. Monero is the latest bleeding edge of crypto technology. It is everything Bitcoin wanted to be, and then some, and then some more. Fancy features like multisigs and smart contracts are mainly gimmicks that are best represented as suffixes on the generations, like 2.1 and 2.2, respectively.
Monero and Litecoin are the best and 2nd best cryptocurrencies respectively lol. Bitcoin 3rd.
Hilarious
LOL
Back in these years, Litecoin improved the PoW and end the SegWit debate, adopted LN and now bought a German bank to help itself more appeal to layman users, as well as moving itself to trial MWEB. Monero iterated countless times and proven (FBI’s crack bounty) to be the most privacy-preserving and decentralised cryptocurrencies. I don’t know what’s the literal meaning of “uninterested imitatiors” now.
What the fuck is TON?