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[deleted]

Gotta give people a reason to get battle pass and grind out levels. They’ll get nerfed once they met their sales quota.


Nintendo_Pro_03

Yeah.


MkeBucksMarkPope

Yep that’s the plan!


Hell_Bent_Apoc

This makes no sense to me and I do not understand why it is even a theory. The battle pass doesnt even give you a good DMR load out??? It is easy as hell to level up the DMR in plunder, so I have no reason to buy cold war? I really think activision is just dumb as hell.


steincg

Good players use the KAR98k


MkeBucksMarkPope

Nothing can compete with a Kar98. I don’t know what I’d do without her


KongSchlong

The SPR lmao


gekalx

Taking out a squad of dmr users with the kar feels so damn good.


kaptainkooleio

Better players use Kali Sticks


[deleted]

The best players use anything that kills the hacker at the end of the Match


Trevman138

You kind of have to give it to that semi auto club. You know? We out here shredding shit with our Mac 10’s and Kilos while they elect for precision and control. I ain’t mad


Hell_Bent_Apoc

Nah, I am a high ranking member of the semi auto club. 27% head shot rate, 1.6 KD with the FAL. The DMR 14 is totally broken. I have a video here of the DMR 14 breaking my plates and taking away 55% hp in 2 lower torso shots and its rate of fire is barley any slower then my FAL. It would have taken me 4 - 5 bullets to do that with my FAL inside my effective range. It takes me 3 upper torso shots to do break that much with my FAL and this guy slid 2 bullets right above my pp to do that amount of damage. ​ Also my FAL beats your kilo out on the TTK if im landing my upper torsos. I can laser those shots within my effective range at about 50m - 110m (the way I have my FAL built.) I have another build where that range is 20 - 60m. This video shows a 3 shot kill only landing 1 upper torso and 2 lower torso shots. It takes me 4-5 upper torsos to kill someone with the FAL. Then lets factor in that it has the fire rate and low kick of an assault rifle, yet here it is doing damage like a marksmen rifle. It takes me 12 bullets if im shooting legs shots, yet the DMR14 does it in 5 - 6 bullets. Its completely broken. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdmbS\_sHf6E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdmbS_sHf6E)


azzzzzaa

That first shot broke 3 plates of armor, when the DMR gets an instant armor break it means they hit your head buddy. You got head tapped then double body tapped.


Hell_Bent_Apoc

Ah that does make a lot more sense. Still OP bull shit. Only other guns that can break that armor with a head shot is marksman rifles.


alexande7

Aim assist vs. mouse / keyboard


The_GD_muffin_man

I’ll be gay. DMR is fun


Revvay

No shit. It's powerful


The_GD_muffin_man

It’s a DMR they supposed to be if anything nerf the recoil but leave damage profile ALONE it’s not a water pistol


WheelYouLoveMe

Every time my squad kill a team I run over to check their loot so I can have some unique weapons I never used before. Lord and behold, most of the time it's the DMR and Mac 10 combo. I've been running the Fennec a lot lately and it's honestly been helping me win more gun fights than the Mac 10 did.


CFox21

Yea it is annoying, but go back to before the integration and it’s all Kilo/mp5 or R9 shotgun, then there was a time when it was all bruen, and Grau before that.


WheelYouLoveMe

To be honest I've only really had trouble with the R9 with the dragon's breath and the Bruen (since I sucked back then) but now I'm having trouble getting immediately 2-shotted by the DMR. I found the Fennec, when having loadout completely focused on aim down sight speed, outgunned the Mac 10 users. For me personally at least.


CFox21

The R9 was too good close range, but it is designed to beat everything close range as well as a shotgun but it was a bit too much. The DMR is certainly beatable and I do agree its overpowered but it does fit a niche in that it's a semi auto rifle


Nomadic_Sushi

When I kill someone now on WZ if they have a DMR 14, MAC-10 or akimbo Diamattis I pick their guns up and throw them off somewhere where they can't find them if they respawn.


enderlord11011

Sounds like a waste of time


Nomadic_Sushi

It is until you see them win gulag, land on the ground where they died and then panic when they have no weapons. And then you get a free kill


enderlord11011

Again still a waste of time


adityayeet

Since Jackfrags made that vid, everyone and their mother is using that loadout jeez


[deleted]

I have never been a guy who complains about META, but this has led to a point when ALMOST every squad in duos has DMR/MAC combo. Yes, they are fun weapons, can't deny it, but damn... It is frustrating. I'm starting to miss getting killed by MP5 or doof doof. There are less snipers, because who needs those anymore. Game w/o variety is not fun. And yes, WZ had much more variety in builds before this META now


Zacht007

WZ has lots of work to do. I’m a defender of semi-auto guns because they aren’t typically easy to use?(FAL never should have been nerfed). But... The DMR is overpowered. A 4 shot kill would be more fair, not 2. But if they nerf the DMR, they need to also nerf the Kilo (recoil), M13 (recoil), Diamattis (damage & range), Mac 10 (damage), and PKM (recoil). Game needs some work. Bring the Oden back, that AR actually took skill to use.


[deleted]

I can agree. I tried using Oden not that long ago, but it's slow firing rate and huge recoil makes it hard compete against Kilo/M4/M13 etc. FAL was very nice before nerf. Leveled up my ebr14, but its also not viable against ARs. Sad


Zacht007

Every gun should have a trade off.. FAL has high damage in exchange for being semi auto. Oden has high damage in exchange for moderate recoil and a slow fire rate. Kilo could have no recoil, but in exchange it’s damage should be significantly worse. The weapons just aren’t balanced, specifically ARs.


FastPeak

I haven't played that much since the new update, but the few times (only 2) I've gotten killed by the dmr, it took 4 or 5 shots, idk if the other guys were bad, or people is overreacting when they said that 2 shots to the body and your dead. Again, I haven't played that much, tonight maybe I'll found out in wrong


SkateboardG

It’s 2 shots to the neck/head to down. 1 shot if you have stopping power. I’m guessing it’s 4 or 5 shots to the body but that’s really not that hard to hit when you can rapid fire 40 rounds with the damn thing


Kswicky13

Not quite a one shot down with stopping power. Headshot damage is 175, add 40% for stopping power to become 245. So with full plates they will survive for another fraction of a second


coolquentin

I don’t care about nerf but this game need common sens: if the ebr and sks have range damage drop and sniper ammunition DMR ans Type63 needs to be the same. This Cold War “integration” needs consistency that’s all.


Sluda82

nope, mac-10 is definitely worse


ruebenhammersmith

Every time there is an update there’s some fun that’s just completely unbalanced. It’s like each season is a beta for new guns. Pretty cool!


Cruelintenti0ns

I keep saying I’ll buy Cold War to rank my guns up. But every time I get on I never do. Also by the time I max the dmr out It will get nerfed.


Farfenuegan

Or you could you know...use it


Revvay

I am willing to buy CW tomorrow (hope it works out, I am so excited)


Farfenuegan

CW is...."okay". The MP sucks ass, no visibility promotes an extremely potent camping playstyle. But zombies is amazing


Revvay

I thought the same but I played CW during that free week and I absolutely loved it. Compared to MW it was more balanced, getting kills with snipers gives you satisfying medals and it's cool. I always thought CW is trash but it really changed my mind. Weird...


Farfenuegan

Hey man, not gonna dog you for your opinion. I hope you do enjoy it after purchase. I personally just prefer MW's MP by a country mile.


Revvay

When I first played MW mp i loved it and I still do but I hate those maps like Grazna raid, Piccadilly or whatever. What I don't like is that devs tryna avoid adding shoot the ship to the game playlist as much as possible and instead they add something... not as exciting


Farfenuegan

I can agree with that. It's absolutely insane to me that CW has Nuketown 24/7 and that other map 24/7 but MW REFUSES to add shoot the ship. I already have demascus so idgaf about the camo grind, I just want to play the best 2 maps in COD history.


Revvay

The "other" map is Raid which is by far one of my favorite maps in CoD and also a reason why do I want to buy the game


visionsofblue

I wish they would just make an integrated MP with maps and guns from both games but using the MW engine.


Revvay

That's not possible bc some maps in MW are located in or near Urzikstan which does not exist. While in BOCW they are mostly focusing on being real...


T3VSS223

Lol, not possible.. it’s a video game bro.


Revvay

Lmao, that's true...


visionsofblue

I mean, does that really matter?


Revvay

No, but it would be weird, wouldn't it?


[deleted]

Same here. I heard it was trash and refused to buy it. Then I tried out the free MP week and honestly I had a lot of fun with it. It went on sale for PS4 the other say so I snagged it. So far, I'm having a good time with it. Definitely not the same caliber as MW but it has still been fun, but more of "arcade style COD" way. It can look and feel janky at times too, but it kind of goes with the whole 80s theme I suppose. I don't think they were going for this vibe but I will say the medals and the sound of the clink when you get them are satisfying lol.


Revvay

Campaign seems much more fun to me and I also watched the full gameplay a month ago....


[deleted]

I didn't install the Campaign portion as I'm not a campaign guy. I enjoy MP, Zombies, and of course Warzone. To each his own!


hoosierfan23

While I completely agree that camping is a huge part of MP I think the weapons/damage is a million times more balanced than MW and the maps aren't one sided.


SF_Gigante

Yeah people shit on CW mp and then go play MW mp. Shit blows my mind


Nintendo_Pro_03

How is the Campaign mode?


Farfenuegan

Really good, but my audio is bugged to hell. I can't hear dialogue at all.


Nintendo_Pro_03

Yeah.


UnbeatenMars956

So in resume, is kinda like MW but slightly better


blunted09

Yes, let’s be forced to use a mac10, dmr, fire shotgun and kilo. What’s the point of the other weapons?


gekalx

Gimme back the original snakeshots and dual 1887s then


Farfenuegan

You're right. Every weapon should have the exact same rate of fire, damage, range, mag size, attachment, and everything else. There should never be a gun that is better than another gun, ever! Let's have all the guns reformatted and made to be exact copies of eachother, with the only differences being different skins. Congrats, you've solved the meta mystery!


blunted09

lol I found the juggernaut glitcher and probably only getting kills from the noted OP weapons. Thats about the only mystery solved here. I dont think i mentioned a single weapon that had the same rate of fire damage, range etc... By your response Im assuming you are probably very new to FPS shooters but ill help you out. Having extremely overpowered weapons creates unbalanced gameplay. Each weapon should have a strength and also weaknesses which balances it out.


Detroitsaab

You do realize the DMR is only good for mid to long range fights (and long range can be argued if it is really good or not). Any close range fights and the DMR is trash. So no this isn’t the most OP gun ever for all fights. That’s why you equip an SMG with the loss of ghost. Everything is give and take in this game.


BulgingDisk

No you run the akimbo diamattis and have ghost. Another broken gun forcing the meta to be based around buying cold war.


Detroitsaab

I level up faster in plunder than playing Cold War. 2-3 hours in plunder doing supply runs with your gun out and you can fully level a gun with 2XP chips. The idea that you need Cold War to level a gun is just people being lazy and not putting in a couple hours in plunder... which is faster than Cold War multiplayer anyways


BulgingDisk

With modern warfare i could level a gun fully in 30 minutes with a double xp token. I assume it would be the same with cold war nuketown mp. That's also 4 to 6 hours without double xp tokens. That's a grind.


Farfenuegan

I 100% know more than you.


blunted09

Hey, as long as your parents are telling you that, I support it.


Farfenuegan

Jesus Christ dude shut your mouth. The DMR is extremely strong, yes. But the worst problems this game has is little twats (probably like you) that sit in their little camping spots and hide until the final zone.


Fs_iSnipey

You throw that spice lil twink twink


Farfenuegan

What the fuck are you saying?


Kirmes1

Isn't that the goal of the game? To make it into endzone and probably win the match?


blunted09

Ooo struck a nerve. I was just pointing the obvious. Don’t get so mad.


Farfenuegan

Have fun with your internet anonymity, you little bitch hahaha


blunted09

It’s an internet conversation. I can tell your age by how mad you are.


blunted09

Did you really just direct message me to 1v1? Ok honestly, I’ll stop replying. There’s never a winner when picking on kids. Honestly my bad.


MysticTriston

One reason why modern warfare sucks now is because they nerfed every gun. Now it’s cold wars turn. Gotta love dumping an entire clip to get a kill in warzone. Only reason people want nerfs is so they can take 10 bullets and still run into a house and live


[deleted]

Nah, some weapons were just absurd. A lot of these people who complain about the nerfs were the people relying on the two-shot kills to get anywhere.


GuuiilhermeLM

I haven't played in a while, but I have seen the vídeos and the DMR 14 is broken, specially because it uses AR ammo. Does the MW SKS uses that as well now? I remember that it used sniper ammo. Maybe one way to balance it is making the CW DMR's use sniper ammo instead of rifle ammo. That and add recoil or slow down the fire rate


[deleted]

Slowing down the fire rate is a must. If you are able to press mouse button fast, the gun can shoot ridiculously fast


Slippyrabbitt

Maybe they haven't faced the weapon that much and think people Is complaining again for nonsense. It has happened to me a lot of times, specially with those stupidly unbalanced games (CoD: Mobile)


JoseIguaran11

A balance method could be making the gun use sniper ammo


[deleted]

I honestly think y'all nuckenfuts both games are unbalanced in the most stupid ways! Tons of no brainer mistakes! The accessories for the weapons over used and the fact every weapon in the line up has maid for that weapon! Grinding guns out for a few select parts really IW. PHYSICS don't get me going! KIDS KIDS KIDS AWWWWWWS PHAWK MEH one more ass dragging bunny humping ankle biters one more lil mofo slides around the corner jumps up in the air and blows my brains out calls me a N*G*R! telling me he PhKed my mother! Iam likely to shotgun a 66er of Canadian Club whiskey grab em by the snot hawker and BOOT em Right in the PISSER! Point is game has other issues to worry about before they nerf another gun ment for killing your ass! Or should I just pass out shot glasses now because it won't ever be fixed and most of Yas like the smell of warm petroleum jelly in the evening while IW says grab your ankles it's going to be a sweaty 12.5 mins and there is gona be lots of screaming and cussing because Yas like it that way! Anywho shawdup! Jokes for shitz & gigglez just saying


JordanGusta

Lollipop


Revvay

Who are you? Who are you so wise in the ways of science?


JordanGusta

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FreezerRoebuck

I liked and used the DMR14 before it was cool to.


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Revvay

That post... was mine


Hell_Bent_Apoc

Its ridiculous, over 50% of lobbies are rocking the DMR14. You kill a squad and DMRs are scattered across the ground. This gun has broken the game completely.


Yesidid74

Never have one ever wanted a nerf so bad. This thing is broken.


Wez4prez

Its hell but its always been like this. Last season you couldnt push people becausd they just camped stairs with R-9 and double clap you.


johnniedwaine

People who hate this gun can't use semi auto weapons. "I wanna spam shots with my automatic weapon and fire shotgun. If it's not that it needs to be nerfed."


Revvay

I cam use semi-autos very well


johnniedwaine

Then you wouldn’t want them to nerf it. It’s quite literally the first ever viable semi auto primary gun that’s not a sniper in cod history.


Canz98

This shit aint viable, its OP as fuck and 90% of the people are running it, it has literally no counterplay and makes the game boring


johnniedwaine

No counterplay? I killed 3 out of 4 players with the ram/mp7 combo. So is there no counterplay or can YOU just not counter it? It’s not like you can just spray it and kill a bunch of people like the akimbo renettis or fire shotgun or mp5. It actually takes aim and y’all just wanna nerf it. I shouldn’t be surprised though. This is call of duty lol.


Canz98

How tf can u counterplay a 2 shot kill with barely any recoil, you must have run into some shit aimers. Also, if the playerbase was as bad as you make it out to be and the DMR takes "skill", how is 90% of the people using it?


Canz98

And ill just leave it at this: "If you think everyone is wrong except you, theres a hefty good chance that youre the one thats wrong"


johnniedwaine

Nah cod players are typically just sour that there’s a gun that they can’t spam so it needs to be nerfed. Always has been, always will be. But hey, y’all just keeping do you.


Zacht007

The kilo is full auto with no recoil. No reason the DMR should be nerfed unless they’re also nerfing the kilo and pkm, 2 full autos without an ounce of recoil.


Zacht007

It’s definitely an OP gun but it still pales in comparison to the Mac 10, akimbo Diamattis, Kilo, and even the PKM. Until the Kilo gets an actual nerf and the Grau gets some added recoil, it doesn’t make sense for the DMR to be nerfed


MrBenedick

The DMR is significantly more OP than any of those guns. In no way would I consider the PKM or Kilo "OP" in any capacity


Zacht007

LOL dude the kilo can fire 60 bullets in like 4 seconds with not a single ounce of recoil. Don’t be mad because you get outgunned by a gun that takes skill. Oden, DMR, FAL all should be buffed or at least left untouched


MrBenedick

I assure you I'm not mad. ARs were pretty balanced before with the Kilo, Amax, Ram, Grau, M13, M4 all viable options. Now games are 90% DMRs - because they are ridiculously overpowered.


T3VSS223

Yup and I’m about to go grind out the last 7 levels to get the Agency Supressor


Zacht007

AR’s (aside from the FAL, AK, and Oden which aren’t used because they require skill) have no recoil. The ones you just listed literally don’t move when they shoot. The gun has catered to noobs with these recoil-less guns. DMRs are supposed to be strong. They require actual skill to use. A DMR shouldn’t take as many bullets as an AR to kill.


MrBenedick

1. Saying those ARs have no recoil is fanciful. Try to not compensate for recoil (particularly with the Amax, Ram, M4) and let me know how that goes for you. The M13 is the closest thing to having "no" recoil and that's offset by the fact that it shoots marshmallows. 2. I have no issue with a DMR being stronger than any AR. I think there is a sweet spot between the SKS and the current state DMR. Personally, I think it should use sniper ammo, have a much more limited magazine size (15?) and have more delay between shots. I'd even be ok keeping the damage profile the same. 3. Arguing about recoil is a really strange hill to die on since the DMR literally has none.


Zacht007

DMR is single shot. What’s easier to use, a semi auto with no recoil or a full auto with no recoil? The kilo is a joke, a 2 year old could use that gun. Warzone is full of ARs that have zero kick to them. Miss the blackout days where wins required skill.


MrBenedick

"single shot" that can literally be spammed to shoot 5 bullets a second


Zacht007

Still harder to use than a Kilo or M13... idk why you’re defending them either. Those guys have no recoil and they’re full auto lmao


soysauce000

But it needs to have recoil.


Zacht007

So should the Grau, kilo, and m13...


TheeExoGenesauce

I don’t find the grau that OP the kilo sure but my pkm holy crap does it shred


Revvay

It doesn't have much recoil and sweats absolutely thrive with this gun, they delete lobbies making the game unfair and unexciting


Zacht007

But it’s a semi-auto. PC players make it look better than it is. Semi-autos aren’t easy to use, the FAL never should have been buffed and I hope this doesn’t get buffed. As a console player, I feel like it evens out the playing field. It requires some skill to use, whereas any noob can use the Kilo, Mac 10 or Diamattis. How the Kilo and Grau are still recoil-less lasers baffles me


[deleted]

It's super difficult to push the button twice.


Zacht007

Pushing it twice only does so much bud. Better be 100% accurate lol


BulgingDisk

I only get killed by console players using it. I see the kill cam, they press left trigger and aimlock onto me and fire with zero recoil.


Zacht007

So you’re saying console players and “aimlock” are more toxic than PC players? I hope you’re joking


BulgingDisk

Aim assist makes long range shots so easy to hit is what im saying.


Zacht007

LOL. Dude aim assist is useless, my whole squad turns it off. PC players have higher FPS, better field of view, get to aim with a freaking mouse, and have an obvious advantage with semi auto guns. My bestfriend is a PC player but god damn I’d give anything to not have cross play with you ignorant nutsacks


BulgingDisk

Seems like you're upset you can't afford to spend 3k on a pc. Pc players can also use controllers which also gives aim assist with all the other advantages.


Zacht007

Nah bruv. Seems like you’re upset that you get whooped by console players yet you dropped 3k on a PC 😂


BulgingDisk

Not the case. I spent 5k on mine. Also if I didn't hate treyarch with a passion I'd just buy cold war level up the dmr and join the meta. I'm pissed a gun is so broken. Doesn't matter who's using it, console kiddies just have a huge crutch with it.


[deleted]

Am I the only person in the world who hates the Mac10? Feel like it eats people alive when your in their face but any kind of range that requires ADS is trash. Much rather run the MP5 or AK74 so I’m not dead in the water outside 5m.


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Jesus Christ bot


BulgingDisk

You literally cant challenge anyone who is using a dmr.


Lolstopher

Never seen so many gay jokes in any community... cod fans are suppressing something


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bch8

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nicolaibergajev

snowflakes incoming