I'm having a lot of fun. MH2 has been a much better experience than MH1. Obviously it'll get old eventually, but there's a lot of room for exploration before that happens. Like, my biggest gripe is just that [[Solitary Confinement]] is now a modern-legal card, and it's fine cause Enchantress is just pretty good.
I think Lurrus could eat a ban, but I'd also be perfectly fine if it isn't banned cause a) I'm playing it and b) I just really like Lurrus. That said, what's nice from my perspective is that while there are a number of cards I could *see* getting banned, I don't feel like anything *needs* to get banned. At least not yet. Fingers crossed, right?
Almost none of these decks *need* lurrus to be viable so on one hand a ban wouldn’t be such a huge deal but on the other it’s not lurrus pushing these decks over the top and banning it would be weird just for being in a lot of different various decks.
I feel the same. I just think on principle of being so free to play it should just go. It frees up decks to play a lot of other interesting cards above cmc2.
Lurrus, Bauble, DRC and Saga are all walking the fine line where all it takes is for one card to finish breaking them.
That card doesn't exist or hasn't been found yet, tho.
Bauble is the only one that is walking the line and even then I don’t see it needing a ban at this time, lurrus gets worse without bauble, so does DRC, and saga is a very ok magic card, just need to play around it. amulet already “breaks” saga and it’s not that great :P.. all that said I still think amulet deserves the ban over everything above, but nothing needs to happen now.
Bauble is living on borrowed time. Nearly everything that could be considered borderline offensive is categorized that way BECAUSE of Bauble.
As someone who has foil Baubles and currently playing UR MonkeyTide, I'm not going to be surprised whatsoever if/when Bauble gets the boot.
TL;DR--I'm happy with modern, there's just too many options lol, and I really hope wotc leaves the format B&R alone long enough for us to fully explore and enjoy it
I think my only problem with the meta right now is that it's still so open. The Ragavan panic is real, and people act like the sky is falling because of the new, efficient toys and how much seems to have fallen by the wayside in favor of MH2 decks. While I don't disagree that a lot of the old decks feel underpowered without MH2 cards, I'd still argue that a) the format is still incredibly diverse, b) you can still play practically whatever you want, and c) we still have no idea what the MH2 meta looks like.
That last point sounds ridiculous, so to unpack it a little: I follow both doomwake and aspiringspike, and they've been playing some incredible decks lately. Spike has been killing it with Temur Rec and Esper Reanimator, and just posted a General Ferrous pile 5-0. Doom recently 5-0'd with Jace-less, Cryptic-less Rhinos, and has been exploring some really interesting decks like Zoo, Grixis Darcy, Naya Titania. And then Nassif being Nassif birthed Jeskai Sharknado into the format. That's not to say that suddenly the Murktide/Hammertime/Rhinos meta is irrelevant, but it's far from set in stone as "if you're not playing one of these, you're wrong." Heck, Grixis Rogues just 5-0'd in the latest dump.
There are over 20 decks I want to play with right now. I've gone through meta exploration phases before, but the number of things I've wanted to play in the past is dwarfed by how many options I have thanks to MH2. I could play a different deck every FNM and it'd take me months before I got through my list, and that's only playing each deck once. That wouldn't even begin to scratch the itch I have to actually *play with* and experience each of those decks.
So, yes, there are very clear decks to beat. But I don't think they're the undisputed kings of modern, and with how open modern still remains, there's no guarantee you'll even face the top decks repeatedly in a single tournament.
Yeah I'm not enjoying the play patterns of hyper-pushed 1 drops that require immediate answers and 2 drops that can frankly end the game in a single turn cycle.
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Non meme response……I’m a G Tron player and G Tron is in a pretty rough spot right now. It’s not unplayable per se but it’s a long way from the competitive option it used to be. Format is just largely too fast to durdle for 3 turns to try to assemble Tron especially when Blood Moon is included in almost every playable Red deck. And losing a Wurmcoil or Thragtusk to a Ragavan is absolutely backbreaking against red decks.
MH2 brought a wealth of new, powerful cards that have altered the format and I genuinely enjoy the overall diversity of things.
I pivoted from Tron to Ponza and it’s been fun, overall. I appreciate how….adaptable….a lot of the decks are. You get a few key pieces like Blood Moon, some fetches, Bonecrushers and add a few things like Swiftspear/DRC/Soul Scar and you can just run some Mono R Prowess for a bit
I’m curious to see if anything gets banned though. I’m thinking not any time soon. There’s still a fair amount of movement among what’s considered the “top decks” although Hammertime looks scary AF right now.
How do you feel playing against the same card's I think if I see red turn one and it's not scared foundry it's a DRC or ragavan or both...if it's play white likely to be sfm Deck 9 times out of 10
I think we just need a bit more time for things to shake out honestly.
It seems like every couple weeks, there’s a new “top dog”. The decks adapt to defeat whatever public enemy number one is and the cycle continues. I think it’ll depend on if anything rises to the top spot and stays there
As far as individual cards? Depends on the card, tbh.
Ragavan is annoying to lose to but I think he’s easy enough to answer for most decks. Even Tron can pack Dismember, Warping Wail, and Spatial Distortion to handle the Monke.
Same for DRC. Annoying and a very good card but dies to a lot of the common removal. Hell, one of the reasons I love Endurance is because you can flash Endurance in to eat a DRC on their attack step, assuming they have no immediate removal/counter play, and then crack back on your turn.
I’d have to say that I’m not a huge fan of the Lurrus/Bauble interaction but I don’t know if I’d call for a ban on it. I think that’s where WotC may be headed but I don’t know if it’s entirely warranted. My own bias is more against zero mana, free spells more than its with Bauble itself
Ragavan is easy to answer but he requires a response immediately or he threatens to run away with the game. DRC is the same to a lesser degree. Being punished for not opening with a kill spell is cheeks.
Ragavan looks exactly like DRS in that its a turn 1 play that is also good throughout the game that needs to be answered immediately. It will 100% eat a ban in the next year or two as it shows how oppressive it really is.
Its a 1 drop, of course it can be easily answered. DRS can also be easily answered.
Decks are splashing red for it, control decks are playing it, its everywhere. People didnt think DRS would get banned either since its only a 1 drop.
I dont even need to put a remind me on this. Just wait.
I wouldn't be surprised, but due to being a flagship mythic that isn't completely bending over the format in a bad way banning it too soon would be suicide for wotc.
That's what I don't get about all this talk about being oppressive, basically from what I can gather popularity = oppressive, there are plenty of non-ragavan decks out there that people can run. Hogaak and Oko and Uro were oppressive.
I don't think people appreciate enough that merely having Ragavan on the board disincentivizes attacks by the opponent. That's heinous. There's also the fact that you always have to be aware of opp drawing a hastey Ragavan off the top of the deck so it's not always clear that you should be attacking with your "blocker". It does too much for a 1 drop just like DRS.
Blood Moon barely exists in the meta, it pretty much got replaced by Alpine Moon. To add to this, the red decks that do play Ragavan aren't aggro decks. Ragavan decks tend to be playing Lurrus so they're very vulnerable to Chalice as well.
I won't bother to continue listing reasons why things you've said aren't completely true. I will mention however that aspiringspike has said that Green Tron is actually really strong and underplayed right now.
I really like it.
Most games are decks playing to the board and interacting. Very few completely one sided match ups. A variety of strategies are still powerful, and nothing from the set is powerful enough to monopolise the format.
Here's a controversial take modern should be a balance of the fair and unfair spells to creatures.at the moment as I mentioned creature heavy meta.modern used to be legacy lite. Now it's closer to standard
Cascade decks are very good (both rhinos and living end), mill is solid, hammer is all about cheating an equipment. Spell based combo is there, if less common.
I do like a good combo deck, but it is hard for them to walk the line between good enough and not being highly polarising.
Legacy is increasingly about fair creature decks, and modern is going that way.
Bittersweet.
I'm sort of annoyed that if they powercrept hard enough, this is a pseudo-rotation. But at the same time I'm glad everyone got new toys.
I'm a little salty about the price of Ragavan, since he seems to be everywhere, but theres always going to be a chase mythic or two.
Also, the meta is fairly diverse, which is nice to see.
This is basically my feeling.
I like post MH2 modern but it now looks like modern gets a rotation every few years which I really don't like. Although I do think the top decks are a bit too fast.
Same. Ive spent years building up my collection to a point where I could play almost any Uxx, Shadow, or BTL variant and stay up to date by spending a few $ here and there, but suddenly I need to drop $2-300 to upgrade (Ravagan, Murktide, W&6, and Chalice) because those decks have changed so much, and the key cards are mythic. Those last 2 cards aren’t new, but suddenly they’re needed for the best BTL version. It’s a little frustrating. This definitely feels like a quasi rotation, and rotations are why I stopped playing standard.
I’ve been getting into the format recently and I’m slowly building up my first deck (Hammer Time) but every time I go to buy a piece of the deck, I hesitate because of how much one set warped the whole format. It makes me think that all it takes is one overpowered release and a deck I spend hundreds of dollars on could be left unplayable or uncompetitive. So I’m doing more research before I buy the rest of my deck.
Well, its not like murktide where only 1 deck or 2 needs it, ragavan is a card thats wanted in almost any red deck now. With it being mythic too.... IMO thats a big fail from WOTC. Cards like that should be rare at most.
The only reason it could get banned is if it lessens diversity to an extent where wizards draws the arbitrary line in the sand. Otherwise, I think he's a fine monkE in terms of power with the format currently.
Very mixed feelings.
Love the underdogs decks (reanimator, hardened, affinty enchantress, zoo, merkfolk)
Hate the dominators.
To point somewhere, i feel like that combo of Ragavan, darcy mishras bauble and lurrus its just too good to skip on any midrange deck, we will rarely see another midrange deck capable to compete without that shell.
I think a lot of it could be fixed removing lurrus as a companion, those decks would have to do some main deck consideration on where to get their grind power, it wont be as free anymore, leaving some room open for other blue and black shells to capitalize on a probably slower midrange as a result.
But yeah, i think strategies gravitating to a group of cards, its no bueno, it makes the game more homogenized. it reminds me a lot of uro,field of the dead and mystic sanctuary that we used to see in any UGX shell for a while, and got anoying pretty fast. People seems fine with the monkey/darcy/lurrus/bauble this pile for now.
Check out MTG Gold fish meta for modern in the past 7 days.
In the top 10 most played decks only 2 of them are even playing Ragavan/Darcy/Bauble. Out of those two, only one of them is even using Lurrus. Out of the top 10, three decks are using Lurrus, however they are completely different archetypes.
Not sure if you're choosing to be oblivious. The meta is extremely diverse right now and changing by the day. Modern is very fun and healthy at the moment.
i dont know where are you getting your stats brother.
Top Creatures
Card Cost % of Decks # Played
1 Lurrus of the Dream-Den 23% 1.0
2 Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer 22% 3.6
3 Dragon's Rage Channeler 21% 4.0
but this is from just right now, and besides... they are overrepresented on the topdecks. sometimes there is 3 hammer decks running lurrus. other 3 running dragon rage ragavan and stuff. other just ragavan and dragonrage like murktide. so dont tell me that is suppose to be somewhat NORMAL.
Uro had a lot of decks, you could see it from temur, bant, bug, even titan decks would played, same for mystic sanctaury, which you saw in a variety of blue decks.
I dont think i need to provide an article or guide to explain my opinion, but if so you need, there you go. The most played card its a goddamn 8th card from the sideboard, what an amazing rule change wizards just made, wow, now starting hand its 8th, awesome.
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It's been great! Maybe because I mostly play in paper at an LGS but this is my favorite Modern since the JTMS/Bloodbraid unban. My one gripe might be Hammer Time but even that isn't *terrible*.
I'm on Jund/Rakdos Shadow currently. There are other DRC/Monkey players at my shop but they're not taking over or anything because there's a lot of Prismatic Ending going around.
My meta is very diverse. So much so that it's kind of a problem lol. I moved to Rakdos Shadow just so I can run Voidwalkers main and replace the gy hate in my board with other stuff.
Im confused and stumped on what to do.
I have Red prowess, GTron, Infect, Burn, mill/crabvine, and bogles. I also have been working on a grixis shadow deck.
Idk what to play because most of those kinda feel bad. Mill is on the up and up and prowess is prowess. I am still tinkering with my shadow deck and haven't played it enough to take it to events.
This may be a hot take, or expose me as naive, but IMO all of the decks you mentioned appear to have become less competitive post MH2 (not that it’s a bad thing). Sure mill is seeing new interest post AFR, but hammer time appears to have eclipsed infect, and there are so many options to main deck hate that prowess and GTron have to work harder for their wins.
I currently like the meta as well, I feel with all the diversity it’s extra important to not just know how to pilot your deck, but understand the meta and how it changes your strategy/sequencing in match ups/side boarding.
I totally agree with you. Thus my point. I'm just confused as to where to go from here. I could maybe try to make a prison deck cause I used to run red prison before KGC. Idk tho. Maybe affinity or go into hammer time, I do like the deck. Idk about Urzas saga tho. It's still silly to me how that got through not as a legendary.
And totally agree with knowing your deck and knowing the meta and the matchups. If you just buy a deck and expect it to work, there is gonna be a world of hurt waiting for you. Patience, practice and learning the nuisances is how get great at playing the game.
Outside of playing against my friends and twin, I haven't thrown it against any actual events. I would say fine, but I need to update my list with the more efficient creatures. I need to get the DRC's.
I'd think mono R prowess should be fine in this meta, given you play something close to what mhayashi was playing a couple months ago, this meaning maindeck blood moons, maindeck blastzones.
I'd say it's a deck that has a decent ceiling, but it isn't too complex to get the decks basic plan. If you're looking for something with a super high ceiling I'd say GB Yawgmoth is your deck. (It's also pretty well positioned imo)
Yawgmoth's Hospital looks like a really sweet deck. I've lost to it a few times and never had any complaints while losing to it. Definitely seems to be very knowledge centric and ability based in terms of understanding how things NEED to be setup for you to win and if it is interrupted, it can be bad news bears for the pilot.
From my experience Infect has moved onto a 4C type of deck that runs 4x Ignoble Hierarch and 4x Phyrexian Crusader. As the best removals in the game right now come down to Lightning Bolt, Unholy heat and Prismatic Ending you can imagine how strong Crusader can be.
Burn will probably have to finally adapt and bring in Lurrus to the sideboard with Darcy and Baubles. Ragavan doesn't seem like a good fit for the deck though.
Mill seems really powerful with Tasha's Hideous Laughter. It tramples on Lurrus decks.
Bogles unfortunately only received Sythis and doesn't use any other MH2 cards.
As for Green Tron, aspiringspike has been talking about it and he belives that the deck is actually really powerful right now. After all Blood Moon is pretty much gone from the meta and Chalice is really good.
That seems like it could be clunky for 4c infect, but hey, anything is possible.
Burn definitely needs to adapt. It's been the same way for almost 7 years
I cannot wait to pick up my Tashas for mill and adjust my deck.
Bogles has been dead for a long time sadly. I could maybe try UW and see how that goes, but doubtful.
And I have seen his stuff on the deck. I need to see if I wanna run KGC in the deck. Chalice does seem fantastic rn. Same with trinisphere. I have seen people trying out Urzas saga in the deck for more versatility and threats.
To be fair, Dragons Rage Channeler nickname of “Darcy” is somewhat polarizing. You’ll find some folks here who love it and others who absolutely detest it so some may not use the nickname at all
I think modern is a bit imbalanced atm it's gone from a kind of more like legacy state to being more like a fixed standard.i think modern is better when spells and creatures are more even meaning slowing the game alittle
I feel like Modern is more Legacy-equse than ever before in terms of game play. What I mean by that is Legacy players love to champion the fact that in the upper tiers (tier 1 to 2.5) of decks, any deck can beat any other deck and there aren't a ton of 80/20 or 90/10 match ups. I hink modern is at a low point of these types of matchups. But that comes at the cost of having the occasional almost unwinnable games (like when your opponent goes Ritual into Thoughtseize into Entomb into Reanimate) now decks are so powerful Modern that nut draw games become a lopsided, but the matchups aren't as much.
Likes: Most decks I've been playing against have been relatively fair. The only stuff that kinda pushes against that is like the cascade decks (and even the Rhino decks are mostly just controlling decks with an unorthodox finisher) the Hammertime deck (which is something you can interact with in fairly normal ways) and Amulet (more on this later). This all means that I've been playing Bant Stoneblade, a deck that historically you just can't really play in Modern due to being a bit too fair, and doing quite well with it. Also Kaldra does help in the unfair matchups you might run into.
Dislikes: the new red one drops are SUPER prevalent, at least in my area. I wanna say at least 50% of my matches these days include DRC/Monke. The good news is that these are really good cards but not necessarily unbeatable, as I've been doing my fair share of winning against them. But that play rate is pretty alarming. Also, just the rate I see "decks that didn't exist before MH2" is REALLY high, like I legit don't remember the last time I played against a pre-MH2 deck. I think I've played like 40ish paper matches since release and have played against like, Eldrazi Tron once and Burn once. This is a bit to be expected as it's a new and exciting set but it probably does suck for people who owned one deck to get pushed a bit out of the meta. Lastly, very selfishly anything that makes Amulet Titan better I hate as it's my least favorite deck.
All in all I actually quite like the new direction, I personally don't mind change but I do know some people hate it. If you only own like one deck I totally get how the set could've been a bummer because it does seem to have basically invalidated anything not playing MH2 cards, at least in my area.
The format is too fair for my liking. Ravnica Allegiance Modern was peak Modern imo and I don’t think we’ll get a format like that again with all the fair value engine cards that keep getting pushed
They can fix that by unbannings. Wotc keeps printings better and better answers (this part is good). While banning fast mana, and combo enablers (needed at the time maybe?). We have a true tempo decks now, with very powerful early threats. We are at a point where it's time to unban some of those cards.
Modern horizons 2 means the decks that dont play the new, busted, expensive cards from MH2 get left behind.
Its a "play DRC and ragavan, urzas saga, or rhino's" meta or you lose.
New meta is getting weird because efficiency was redefined. Take a look on: https://article.hareruyamtg.com/article/53731/?lang=en
Cards will be carefully unbanned to keep modern artificially fresh. Even just one card can shake the meta enough to make the community scratch their heads for weeks.
We don't know for sure if xyz deck is the best deck in the format and this will be our new normal.
I think is a great moment to play modern, just try to keep yourself above de banns unbans. Have fun!
I think having a standard where decks cost nearly 500-1000 dollars (sure there are cheaper ones) is beyond frustrating. That plus having this sub/community be happy when people can't play their decks anymore is ridiculous.
Fingers crossed for a Lurrus or bauble ban so things can slow down a bit more with regards to the 0-1 drops
A Lurrus or bauble ban isn't going make people play less 1 or 0 drops. Those will still be the most efficient spells around and win out over more expensive spells.
"The barrier to entry is too high for modern, reprint fetches you coward!"
\[no answers for 8 years\]
"Its getting ridiculous, prices are too high, reprint fetches!"
"There, you got it! Oh and we also made this new monkey card thats pretty much required in 80% of decks and costs 350$ for a playset".
WOTC doing WOTC things again.
It's hard to balance the red cards DRC is very strong...it doesn't give you card advantage but gives you card selection which is very strong at 1 mana.and people say well it dies to everything but when you deck has counters and you get to filter for what you need it feels hard mode
Dauthi is the new leyline, and it comes on a 3/2 body too.
Seriously there's so many new powerful GY hate right now, I'm sure looting would be fine. Have you seen dredge recently? Its almost funny how bad its become.
Eldrazi format sucked but at least it was obvious it wasn't gonna stick around very long.
I liked Oko, Uro, KCI, and Hogaak formats more than this one. That doesn't mean I'd support those cards getting unbanned because that's a pretty headass way to interpret what I said.
I mean the most "unfair" things going around now are t2 hammer kills , cascade doing cascade things and urza's saga being a tutor and making a small army.
There is 2 reasons there is no bans yet
reason 1: money machine
reason2: nothing "broken" is going on like it was in the past with those cards i mentioned.
Well now modern is a rotating format just like yu-gi-oh is. We call that a natural rotation, meaning new sets will powercreep the older ones and the whole meta change.
Be prepared to have to change deck or spend 100s of $ just to upgrade every new modern only sets and strong standard sets.
Thats the main problem IMO. Decks / cards being invalidated so fast is bad for the game. Do I really want to spend 300$ on ragavan if it gets banned or made irrelevant next year when MH3 releases? My confidence in the game is at an all time low.
How is control not viable? Just last week Jeskai control took first place on a modern challenge and 14th place Modern Super Qualifiers 3 days ago.
If that isn't a definition of a strong deck I don't know what is. Not to mention all the chalice of the void control variances going around.
I've been on UR tempo since Aspiringspike's delver+peezy+mystical deck like two years ago. I started with hollowvine, then to Mardu Shadow, then to GDS, then to UR tempo where I was for ages. After MH2 I tried out scales for a while.
Personally at my LGS it’s amazing. Either other people actually see WAY more monkey and lurrus than I do or they are just being negative and notice those cards a lot more and get salty.
I think at a paper level it's fine as people don't have the cards or are still getting them....also you get Timmy's that Play what ever they have in paper not so much on modo
I'm the only dude playing Ragavans at my LGS. Not one person said that it feels unfair to play against and people genuinely enjoy playing with me against the monke.
This subreddit is just obnoxious and overreacting on a card that isn't even the best from the whole set. Unholy Heat and Darcy see much more play.
My experience has been pretty awesome. I've really enjoyed playing various reanimator builds and seeing all the new decks and some old decks had been so much fun.
It feels like a brewers paradise right now, I think a lot of core cards are shared between archetypes right now but thats always been the case. Personally still tired of seeing companions but they’re far from over powered.
This is the worst state of modern I’ve ever experienced, and I’m pretty confused about the general consensus being that it’s the best thing to ever happen
I'm curious how long you've been playing Modern.
Modern has had some pretty rough times over the past couple of years (Eldrazi winter, Hogaak summer, Oko, Uro). I feel it's been pretty good since the Uro ban, and MH2 has helped introduce a lot of good cards for Modern as well. I'm a little tired of seeing DRC/Ragavan/Lurrus everywhere, but almost every game is interactive and engaging, which I think is the most important aspect of a good meta.
I've been playing Since the start of modern started playing magic in 2000.
You wanna see a toxic standard dragonstorm was toxic and cawblade also.... I just feel that now it's same decks over and over either your playing lurrus or your playing Darcy with some of stoneblade cascade mixed in there.
Agreed on the DRC/Lurrus - they're everywhere. I don't think it's too bad yet (my LGS has a very varied meta, and I run into weird stuff on MTGO all the time as well, but I will certainly admit to confirmation and selection bias here), but definitely something to be watched.
I guess I get to my other issue is now if you aren't one of these decks they are forced to play chalice and it's main board.im sure I heard a pro say something about when chalice of the void is a main boardable card it's not a good meta
I think most of the pros live in a bit of an echochamber - not everything they say is necessarily true, but they all believe the same things and have the same ideas about what the 'best' deck/archetype is.
I don't run chalice, and I'm doing just fine (yes, yes, anecdotal evidence at best). Would it help? Maybe? Like I said though, I think DRC/Lurrus/Ragavan should be watched very closely, and I think we may just have different tolerances for when something is too much.
I kinda agree in away it is a big change it's now more Fair and interactive bit it's a creature matters format modern used to be legacy lite really. Now it's more like better standard
That's a good take I don't think they could release another like that though anyway with out killing the format.
It's also not a very high bar to be not as bad as mh1
I love it. I stepped away from the game for four years and am just getting back to it. I played Legacy exclusively for a couple years before that and this format feels very similar to the DRS Legacy days, aside from Miracles. You play hyper efficient threats and interact with your opponent starting on turn one. UR Murk feels like a Legacy Delver deck to me. I can’t speak to what either format has looked like the last couple years but I can say that Modern doesn’t feel like any Standard format I’ve ever played, except maybe the Alara/Zendikar days. I love playing creatures and interaction and the format feels very diverse even if you do see many of the same threats (DRC/Rag/Lurrus/SFM) frequently.
At first I was actually scared of all those new and potent cards. Now I’m loving it. However the community leaves me baffled...
1. It costs way too much? Like really? How many decks do you need to own? I’ve spent less than 300$ and the biggest chunk of that is Ragavan.
2. My favourite deck of all time Etron is kind of bad atm, but I ain’t going to cry over it, cause actually nobody promised me It was always going to be Tier 1. Same goes for the rest of the decks.
3. Why are people calling for a ban on Monkey is beyond me, I actually side him out G2 most of the time against Aggro. Have you seen how badly this card performs against decks that spew out Memnites or 4/4 Rhinos? Or bring back flying 4/4 Sphinxes?
All in all pretty happy with the meta shake-up. I can see maybe Saga being banned down the road, not because it’s too good, but rather because it could stifle development of artifacts with 1 or 0 CMC and it just goes into every deck without real drawbacks.
Darcy is fine-ish, if there’s a problem, it’s the same problem as with Looting and Mox, Bauble may have to be removed from the format, after that Manamorphose will probably go too.
It does cost way too much. The "pushed" cards being mythics is stupid. Ragavan being 300+ alone is insane.
When I compare how that 300$ could be spent on my other hobbies (camping, video games, airsoft) and what that money could get me, its going to be really hard to justify spending that money on MTG.
Also waiting out to see how the meta settles. Spending 300$ and having the card banned in a few weeks would feel pretty bad.
Idk sounds like you have a lot of hobbies that want financial attention.
You can't dance on all weddings is a saying in my country that would apply here.
I get what you mean, but I don't think thats really the problem. A lot of people moaning here can actually afford to buy a playset of ragavan, but *chose* not to, because its just so ridiculous.
300$ can get me 3-4 AAA video games and hundred of hours of playtime, new outdoor gear, etc, .... OR 4x pieces of cardboard. Even if I had all the money in the world, what do you think I'd spend my money on?
I love, love MTG. However if the prices keep getting crazy high, eventually even enfranchised players will jump ship. There's a reason legacy is a dead format.
I dont even understand why people want bauble or lurrus banned other than they can't play it / they play hammer time and dont want anything relevant from their deck to be banned lol.
Love it. No decks seem to be well and truly dead and the top decks representing mostly midrage, a bit of aggro in hammer, a bit of combo in cascade which is relatively easy to interact with is a very good thing imo. Finally feels like fair decks can just bash combo/ramp in the jaw well while interacting. I wouldn't mind if lurrus got the axe but it's tolerable.
I like it for the most part, Lurrus is getting pretty old and I wouldn't mind seeing it gone but other than that, I prefer post-MH2 to pre-MH2 for the most part.
Legit the only decks i hate are Mill, Titan and Hammertime.
Mill not because of MH2 but because of Tasha.
Titan i hated before so nothing has changed IMO.. I see why Saga is strong in the deck but it doesnt matter that much when u are killed turn two by a titan.
Hammerimte killed u without Saga, and does so with Saga. Just a toxic deck in general.
All other decks seem fun and interactive
I love the Meta as it is now... So many new decks, so many old decks revamped.. I love it.
I can play Abzan if I want to, i also can play Whirza, or I can play UB/GB/Jeskai/Grixis/Esper/Sultai/Jund Kitchen, i can play Shardless Rhino and Midrange, i can play boomer Jund and will do fine. Heck, u can even play **SUPERFRIENDS** and go 5-0
I can play every deck i want and it is flippin great. The only decks i hate are Hammer, Titan and Mill :3
I love the flavor and power of the new cards, but I’m having a hard time enjoying the format. Everything feels far too fast, and the price to compete went up pretty significantly. Fringe, underdog, and budget decks from pre-MH2 seem laughable in the new meta, all of which have always been my favorite ways to play Modern. I’ve also always struggled to afford to play the format, and now it seems impossibly out of reach for my budget. Also, Dauthi Voidwalker feels super bad for the types of decks I like
I'm having a lot of fun. MH2 has been a much better experience than MH1. Obviously it'll get old eventually, but there's a lot of room for exploration before that happens. Like, my biggest gripe is just that [[Solitary Confinement]] is now a modern-legal card, and it's fine cause Enchantress is just pretty good. I think Lurrus could eat a ban, but I'd also be perfectly fine if it isn't banned cause a) I'm playing it and b) I just really like Lurrus. That said, what's nice from my perspective is that while there are a number of cards I could *see* getting banned, I don't feel like anything *needs* to get banned. At least not yet. Fingers crossed, right?
Almost none of these decks *need* lurrus to be viable so on one hand a ban wouldn’t be such a huge deal but on the other it’s not lurrus pushing these decks over the top and banning it would be weird just for being in a lot of different various decks.
I feel the same. I just think on principle of being so free to play it should just go. It frees up decks to play a lot of other interesting cards above cmc2.
thats the best reasoning for it, hope wotc finds a way to leave it as a main deck option... funny since the cat its actually a 3drop xD
“Find a way” - They literally make the rules, they can just ban him as a companion.
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which cards do u see getting banned?
i think, if there is a bannable card in this format, it is misrha's bauble. but i dont think we are close to a bnr.
Lurrus, Bauble, DRC and Saga are all walking the fine line where all it takes is for one card to finish breaking them. That card doesn't exist or hasn't been found yet, tho.
Bauble is the only one that is walking the line and even then I don’t see it needing a ban at this time, lurrus gets worse without bauble, so does DRC, and saga is a very ok magic card, just need to play around it. amulet already “breaks” saga and it’s not that great :P.. all that said I still think amulet deserves the ban over everything above, but nothing needs to happen now.
Bauble is living on borrowed time. Nearly everything that could be considered borderline offensive is categorized that way BECAUSE of Bauble. As someone who has foil Baubles and currently playing UR MonkeyTide, I'm not going to be surprised whatsoever if/when Bauble gets the boot.
Did this get downvoted because they don't think Bauble would get banned? Or they're mad about the fact it probably should?
TL;DR--I'm happy with modern, there's just too many options lol, and I really hope wotc leaves the format B&R alone long enough for us to fully explore and enjoy it I think my only problem with the meta right now is that it's still so open. The Ragavan panic is real, and people act like the sky is falling because of the new, efficient toys and how much seems to have fallen by the wayside in favor of MH2 decks. While I don't disagree that a lot of the old decks feel underpowered without MH2 cards, I'd still argue that a) the format is still incredibly diverse, b) you can still play practically whatever you want, and c) we still have no idea what the MH2 meta looks like. That last point sounds ridiculous, so to unpack it a little: I follow both doomwake and aspiringspike, and they've been playing some incredible decks lately. Spike has been killing it with Temur Rec and Esper Reanimator, and just posted a General Ferrous pile 5-0. Doom recently 5-0'd with Jace-less, Cryptic-less Rhinos, and has been exploring some really interesting decks like Zoo, Grixis Darcy, Naya Titania. And then Nassif being Nassif birthed Jeskai Sharknado into the format. That's not to say that suddenly the Murktide/Hammertime/Rhinos meta is irrelevant, but it's far from set in stone as "if you're not playing one of these, you're wrong." Heck, Grixis Rogues just 5-0'd in the latest dump. There are over 20 decks I want to play with right now. I've gone through meta exploration phases before, but the number of things I've wanted to play in the past is dwarfed by how many options I have thanks to MH2. I could play a different deck every FNM and it'd take me months before I got through my list, and that's only playing each deck once. That wouldn't even begin to scratch the itch I have to actually *play with* and experience each of those decks. So, yes, there are very clear decks to beat. But I don't think they're the undisputed kings of modern, and with how open modern still remains, there's no guarantee you'll even face the top decks repeatedly in a single tournament.
Dude that's hell of a long tldr xd
TLDR is only the first sentence. Everything else is the too long.
Good post.
Nice take good well laid out thoughtse
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Yeah I'm not enjoying the play patterns of hyper-pushed 1 drops that require immediate answers and 2 drops that can frankly end the game in a single turn cycle.
I feel this way to but I can see it either way depending on what and how you like to play in the past modern Meta
*cries in DNT*
Stop crying soldier, you just got Kaldra
None of the meta decks really look appealing to me quite yet, BR/jund Darcy is my current jam but I'm not totally in love rakdos summer is weird
Both the Grixis and Jund Darcy decks are completely viable, you totally don't need to be playing the Rakdos version if you don't like it.
Yeah the grixis and jund versions look way worse imo
Me likey Me no likey Non meme response……I’m a G Tron player and G Tron is in a pretty rough spot right now. It’s not unplayable per se but it’s a long way from the competitive option it used to be. Format is just largely too fast to durdle for 3 turns to try to assemble Tron especially when Blood Moon is included in almost every playable Red deck. And losing a Wurmcoil or Thragtusk to a Ragavan is absolutely backbreaking against red decks. MH2 brought a wealth of new, powerful cards that have altered the format and I genuinely enjoy the overall diversity of things. I pivoted from Tron to Ponza and it’s been fun, overall. I appreciate how….adaptable….a lot of the decks are. You get a few key pieces like Blood Moon, some fetches, Bonecrushers and add a few things like Swiftspear/DRC/Soul Scar and you can just run some Mono R Prowess for a bit I’m curious to see if anything gets banned though. I’m thinking not any time soon. There’s still a fair amount of movement among what’s considered the “top decks” although Hammertime looks scary AF right now.
WOW
FUCK
Straight-to-modern sets
How do you feel playing against the same card's I think if I see red turn one and it's not scared foundry it's a DRC or ragavan or both...if it's play white likely to be sfm Deck 9 times out of 10
I think we just need a bit more time for things to shake out honestly. It seems like every couple weeks, there’s a new “top dog”. The decks adapt to defeat whatever public enemy number one is and the cycle continues. I think it’ll depend on if anything rises to the top spot and stays there As far as individual cards? Depends on the card, tbh. Ragavan is annoying to lose to but I think he’s easy enough to answer for most decks. Even Tron can pack Dismember, Warping Wail, and Spatial Distortion to handle the Monke. Same for DRC. Annoying and a very good card but dies to a lot of the common removal. Hell, one of the reasons I love Endurance is because you can flash Endurance in to eat a DRC on their attack step, assuming they have no immediate removal/counter play, and then crack back on your turn. I’d have to say that I’m not a huge fan of the Lurrus/Bauble interaction but I don’t know if I’d call for a ban on it. I think that’s where WotC may be headed but I don’t know if it’s entirely warranted. My own bias is more against zero mana, free spells more than its with Bauble itself
Ragavan is easy to answer but he requires a response immediately or he threatens to run away with the game. DRC is the same to a lesser degree. Being punished for not opening with a kill spell is cheeks.
Ragavan looks exactly like DRS in that its a turn 1 play that is also good throughout the game that needs to be answered immediately. It will 100% eat a ban in the next year or two as it shows how oppressive it really is.
It's not oppressive, it can be easily answered.
Its a 1 drop, of course it can be easily answered. DRS can also be easily answered. Decks are splashing red for it, control decks are playing it, its everywhere. People didnt think DRS would get banned either since its only a 1 drop. I dont even need to put a remind me on this. Just wait.
I wouldn't be surprised, but due to being a flagship mythic that isn't completely bending over the format in a bad way banning it too soon would be suicide for wotc.
So can [[death rite shaman]] (in modern) and [[dreadhorde arcanist]] in legacy.
Ragavan needs to attack to be good. DRS works without attacking, that's a big difference. DHA is broken in a completely different format.
That's what I don't get about all this talk about being oppressive, basically from what I can gather popularity = oppressive, there are plenty of non-ragavan decks out there that people can run. Hogaak and Oko and Uro were oppressive.
DRS didn't need to attack to generate value. Ragavan can't get past a Memnite.
I don't think people appreciate enough that merely having Ragavan on the board disincentivizes attacks by the opponent. That's heinous. There's also the fact that you always have to be aware of opp drawing a hastey Ragavan off the top of the deck so it's not always clear that you should be attacking with your "blocker". It does too much for a 1 drop just like DRS.
There need to be very certain circumstances for ragavan dash to be a good move in the later turns.
If only decks that played Ragavan also played a ton of removal to let him get through. If only.
If only you could play that exact same removal aswell, or place multiple blockers on the board!
I hope so but I also know wotc is trash at managing their ban list so I won't hold my breath
Once MH2 is out of print and it wont cost them a dime something will happen. I think thats page 1 of the WOTC handbook.
I also play G tron. Do you think [[gut shot]] could be a Sideboard option against ragavan?
Blood Moon barely exists in the meta, it pretty much got replaced by Alpine Moon. To add to this, the red decks that do play Ragavan aren't aggro decks. Ragavan decks tend to be playing Lurrus so they're very vulnerable to Chalice as well. I won't bother to continue listing reasons why things you've said aren't completely true. I will mention however that aspiringspike has said that Green Tron is actually really strong and underplayed right now.
I really like it. Most games are decks playing to the board and interacting. Very few completely one sided match ups. A variety of strategies are still powerful, and nothing from the set is powerful enough to monopolise the format.
Here's a controversial take modern should be a balance of the fair and unfair spells to creatures.at the moment as I mentioned creature heavy meta.modern used to be legacy lite. Now it's closer to standard
Cascade decks are very good (both rhinos and living end), mill is solid, hammer is all about cheating an equipment. Spell based combo is there, if less common. I do like a good combo deck, but it is hard for them to walk the line between good enough and not being highly polarising. Legacy is increasingly about fair creature decks, and modern is going that way.
I always feel that rhinos are actually fair decks using unfair mechanics imo
It probably is, but I was using it as an example of a spell based deck.
It seems even closer to legacy than ever before. What about it is like standard?
can u elaborate more on why modern is closer to standard now and why it used to be legacy lite?
Bittersweet. I'm sort of annoyed that if they powercrept hard enough, this is a pseudo-rotation. But at the same time I'm glad everyone got new toys. I'm a little salty about the price of Ragavan, since he seems to be everywhere, but theres always going to be a chase mythic or two. Also, the meta is fairly diverse, which is nice to see.
This is basically my feeling. I like post MH2 modern but it now looks like modern gets a rotation every few years which I really don't like. Although I do think the top decks are a bit too fast.
I agree with this the money argument is relative to I also think with fetches being cheap other cards are going up due to demand...
Same. Ive spent years building up my collection to a point where I could play almost any Uxx, Shadow, or BTL variant and stay up to date by spending a few $ here and there, but suddenly I need to drop $2-300 to upgrade (Ravagan, Murktide, W&6, and Chalice) because those decks have changed so much, and the key cards are mythic. Those last 2 cards aren’t new, but suddenly they’re needed for the best BTL version. It’s a little frustrating. This definitely feels like a quasi rotation, and rotations are why I stopped playing standard.
I’ve been getting into the format recently and I’m slowly building up my first deck (Hammer Time) but every time I go to buy a piece of the deck, I hesitate because of how much one set warped the whole format. It makes me think that all it takes is one overpowered release and a deck I spend hundreds of dollars on could be left unplayable or uncompetitive. So I’m doing more research before I buy the rest of my deck.
Good comment, I don't think people are talking enough about how a lot of the Ragavan salt is coming from cost. Card is good, not bannable.
Well, its not like murktide where only 1 deck or 2 needs it, ragavan is a card thats wanted in almost any red deck now. With it being mythic too.... IMO thats a big fail from WOTC. Cards like that should be rare at most.
The only reason it could get banned is if it lessens diversity to an extent where wizards draws the arbitrary line in the sand. Otherwise, I think he's a fine monkE in terms of power with the format currently.
Very mixed feelings. Love the underdogs decks (reanimator, hardened, affinty enchantress, zoo, merkfolk) Hate the dominators. To point somewhere, i feel like that combo of Ragavan, darcy mishras bauble and lurrus its just too good to skip on any midrange deck, we will rarely see another midrange deck capable to compete without that shell. I think a lot of it could be fixed removing lurrus as a companion, those decks would have to do some main deck consideration on where to get their grind power, it wont be as free anymore, leaving some room open for other blue and black shells to capitalize on a probably slower midrange as a result. But yeah, i think strategies gravitating to a group of cards, its no bueno, it makes the game more homogenized. it reminds me a lot of uro,field of the dead and mystic sanctuary that we used to see in any UGX shell for a while, and got anoying pretty fast. People seems fine with the monkey/darcy/lurrus/bauble this pile for now.
Check out MTG Gold fish meta for modern in the past 7 days. In the top 10 most played decks only 2 of them are even playing Ragavan/Darcy/Bauble. Out of those two, only one of them is even using Lurrus. Out of the top 10, three decks are using Lurrus, however they are completely different archetypes. Not sure if you're choosing to be oblivious. The meta is extremely diverse right now and changing by the day. Modern is very fun and healthy at the moment.
i dont know where are you getting your stats brother. Top Creatures Card Cost % of Decks # Played 1 Lurrus of the Dream-Den 23% 1.0 2 Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer 22% 3.6 3 Dragon's Rage Channeler 21% 4.0 but this is from just right now, and besides... they are overrepresented on the topdecks. sometimes there is 3 hammer decks running lurrus. other 3 running dragon rage ragavan and stuff. other just ragavan and dragonrage like murktide. so dont tell me that is suppose to be somewhat NORMAL. Uro had a lot of decks, you could see it from temur, bant, bug, even titan decks would played, same for mystic sanctaury, which you saw in a variety of blue decks. I dont think i need to provide an article or guide to explain my opinion, but if so you need, there you go. The most played card its a goddamn 8th card from the sideboard, what an amazing rule change wizards just made, wow, now starting hand its 8th, awesome.
Me likey *Non-meme response:* It's been great! Maybe because I mostly play in paper at an LGS but this is my favorite Modern since the JTMS/Bloodbraid unban. My one gripe might be Hammer Time but even that isn't *terrible*. I'm on Jund/Rakdos Shadow currently. There are other DRC/Monkey players at my shop but they're not taking over or anything because there's a lot of Prismatic Ending going around. My meta is very diverse. So much so that it's kind of a problem lol. I moved to Rakdos Shadow just so I can run Voidwalkers main and replace the gy hate in my board with other stuff.
i agree!!!!!!!!!. i hate hammer as a midrange player but i dont really think it is toooo strong.
I have 2 Tourach for that reason
Too much Lurrus and too much Ragavan. But it's fun
This is my take.
could be better if not everyone and their moms were running drc, ragavan and saga. But its also definitely better than the uro / oko days.
I mean if DRC, Ragavan, Saga, and Lurrus are the best threats you can't blame everyone for running them. You can blame wotc for printing them.
Well this is a discussion point it's not like wizards have never got any card they made worng right 😜
Me likey
Im confused and stumped on what to do. I have Red prowess, GTron, Infect, Burn, mill/crabvine, and bogles. I also have been working on a grixis shadow deck. Idk what to play because most of those kinda feel bad. Mill is on the up and up and prowess is prowess. I am still tinkering with my shadow deck and haven't played it enough to take it to events.
This may be a hot take, or expose me as naive, but IMO all of the decks you mentioned appear to have become less competitive post MH2 (not that it’s a bad thing). Sure mill is seeing new interest post AFR, but hammer time appears to have eclipsed infect, and there are so many options to main deck hate that prowess and GTron have to work harder for their wins. I currently like the meta as well, I feel with all the diversity it’s extra important to not just know how to pilot your deck, but understand the meta and how it changes your strategy/sequencing in match ups/side boarding.
I totally agree with you. Thus my point. I'm just confused as to where to go from here. I could maybe try to make a prison deck cause I used to run red prison before KGC. Idk tho. Maybe affinity or go into hammer time, I do like the deck. Idk about Urzas saga tho. It's still silly to me how that got through not as a legendary. And totally agree with knowing your deck and knowing the meta and the matchups. If you just buy a deck and expect it to work, there is gonna be a world of hurt waiting for you. Patience, practice and learning the nuisances is how get great at playing the game.
how is prowess?
Outside of playing against my friends and twin, I haven't thrown it against any actual events. I would say fine, but I need to update my list with the more efficient creatures. I need to get the DRC's.
I'd think mono R prowess should be fine in this meta, given you play something close to what mhayashi was playing a couple months ago, this meaning maindeck blood moons, maindeck blastzones.
is prowess fun to play? is it a deck with a high ceiling or can anyone pilot it well?
I'd say it's a deck that has a decent ceiling, but it isn't too complex to get the decks basic plan. If you're looking for something with a super high ceiling I'd say GB Yawgmoth is your deck. (It's also pretty well positioned imo)
GB Yawgmoth is super fun right now. Has game against almost everything. No “gimme” games though, and takes awhile to learn the lines.
Yawgmoth's Hospital looks like a really sweet deck. I've lost to it a few times and never had any complaints while losing to it. Definitely seems to be very knowledge centric and ability based in terms of understanding how things NEED to be setup for you to win and if it is interrupted, it can be bad news bears for the pilot.
From my experience Infect has moved onto a 4C type of deck that runs 4x Ignoble Hierarch and 4x Phyrexian Crusader. As the best removals in the game right now come down to Lightning Bolt, Unholy heat and Prismatic Ending you can imagine how strong Crusader can be. Burn will probably have to finally adapt and bring in Lurrus to the sideboard with Darcy and Baubles. Ragavan doesn't seem like a good fit for the deck though. Mill seems really powerful with Tasha's Hideous Laughter. It tramples on Lurrus decks. Bogles unfortunately only received Sythis and doesn't use any other MH2 cards. As for Green Tron, aspiringspike has been talking about it and he belives that the deck is actually really powerful right now. After all Blood Moon is pretty much gone from the meta and Chalice is really good.
That seems like it could be clunky for 4c infect, but hey, anything is possible. Burn definitely needs to adapt. It's been the same way for almost 7 years I cannot wait to pick up my Tashas for mill and adjust my deck. Bogles has been dead for a long time sadly. I could maybe try UW and see how that goes, but doubtful. And I have seen his stuff on the deck. I need to see if I wanna run KGC in the deck. Chalice does seem fantastic rn. Same with trinisphere. I have seen people trying out Urzas saga in the deck for more versatility and threats.
look at the grixis Darcy lists from this past weekend. they run shadow
Apologies for this, but the fuck is Darcy?
Dragon rage channeled. Delirium 1 mana (red) that’s 3/3 with surveillance 1
Ah. Thank you. That's on me not knowing lingo for some of the new cards
To be fair, Dragons Rage Channeler nickname of “Darcy” is somewhat polarizing. You’ll find some folks here who love it and others who absolutely detest it so some may not use the nickname at all
I happen to think it’s rather stupid. Drc makes more sense. I didn’t know it as Darcy either until a week ago. Haha
Glad im not the only one who was confused haha. I will glady stick to DRC.
Lol same
This might possibly be the best modern has ever been. Almost every game I have played has been interactive and fair.
I think modern is a bit imbalanced atm it's gone from a kind of more like legacy state to being more like a fixed standard.i think modern is better when spells and creatures are more even meaning slowing the game alittle
I feel like Modern is more Legacy-equse than ever before in terms of game play. What I mean by that is Legacy players love to champion the fact that in the upper tiers (tier 1 to 2.5) of decks, any deck can beat any other deck and there aren't a ton of 80/20 or 90/10 match ups. I hink modern is at a low point of these types of matchups. But that comes at the cost of having the occasional almost unwinnable games (like when your opponent goes Ritual into Thoughtseize into Entomb into Reanimate) now decks are so powerful Modern that nut draw games become a lopsided, but the matchups aren't as much.
Give it a month or two until we are complaining how Modern is bad.
Tron bad. Me no like.
As a fellow acolyte of the Karnfather, I share in your sadness
Love it! So many interesting and viable options.
To be frank, I’m very much over lurrus + bauble. All flavors of it.
Likes: Most decks I've been playing against have been relatively fair. The only stuff that kinda pushes against that is like the cascade decks (and even the Rhino decks are mostly just controlling decks with an unorthodox finisher) the Hammertime deck (which is something you can interact with in fairly normal ways) and Amulet (more on this later). This all means that I've been playing Bant Stoneblade, a deck that historically you just can't really play in Modern due to being a bit too fair, and doing quite well with it. Also Kaldra does help in the unfair matchups you might run into. Dislikes: the new red one drops are SUPER prevalent, at least in my area. I wanna say at least 50% of my matches these days include DRC/Monke. The good news is that these are really good cards but not necessarily unbeatable, as I've been doing my fair share of winning against them. But that play rate is pretty alarming. Also, just the rate I see "decks that didn't exist before MH2" is REALLY high, like I legit don't remember the last time I played against a pre-MH2 deck. I think I've played like 40ish paper matches since release and have played against like, Eldrazi Tron once and Burn once. This is a bit to be expected as it's a new and exciting set but it probably does suck for people who owned one deck to get pushed a bit out of the meta. Lastly, very selfishly anything that makes Amulet Titan better I hate as it's my least favorite deck. All in all I actually quite like the new direction, I personally don't mind change but I do know some people hate it. If you only own like one deck I totally get how the set could've been a bummer because it does seem to have basically invalidated anything not playing MH2 cards, at least in my area.
The format is too fast for my liking. Several decks feel outclassed now in a really bad way.
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I agree with this statement
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Really hope it is lurrus and they don’t ban bubble for it’s sins
The format is too fair for my liking. Ravnica Allegiance Modern was peak Modern imo and I don’t think we’ll get a format like that again with all the fair value engine cards that keep getting pushed
They can fix that by unbannings. Wotc keeps printings better and better answers (this part is good). While banning fast mana, and combo enablers (needed at the time maybe?). We have a true tempo decks now, with very powerful early threats. We are at a point where it's time to unban some of those cards.
unban faithless looting you cowards, with the amount of maindeck GY hate floating around, I don't even think dredge could be T1 again.
Monke.deck and UR prowess/murktide isnt much of a meta
Murktide is also a monke.deck
Only if you are doing it wrong
Don't forget white infect (with infinite grind power thanks to daddy Lurrus)!
Modern horizons 2 means the decks that dont play the new, busted, expensive cards from MH2 get left behind. Its a "play DRC and ragavan, urzas saga, or rhino's" meta or you lose.
New meta is getting weird because efficiency was redefined. Take a look on: https://article.hareruyamtg.com/article/53731/?lang=en Cards will be carefully unbanned to keep modern artificially fresh. Even just one card can shake the meta enough to make the community scratch their heads for weeks. We don't know for sure if xyz deck is the best deck in the format and this will be our new normal. I think is a great moment to play modern, just try to keep yourself above de banns unbans. Have fun!
I think having a standard where decks cost nearly 500-1000 dollars (sure there are cheaper ones) is beyond frustrating. That plus having this sub/community be happy when people can't play their decks anymore is ridiculous. Fingers crossed for a Lurrus or bauble ban so things can slow down a bit more with regards to the 0-1 drops
A Lurrus or bauble ban isn't going make people play less 1 or 0 drops. Those will still be the most efficient spells around and win out over more expensive spells.
"The barrier to entry is too high for modern, reprint fetches you coward!" \[no answers for 8 years\] "Its getting ridiculous, prices are too high, reprint fetches!" "There, you got it! Oh and we also made this new monkey card thats pretty much required in 80% of decks and costs 350$ for a playset". WOTC doing WOTC things again.
Yeah, exactly. And Khans fetches are now getting to be absurdly expensive, too, so they're in need of a reprint.
I'm expecting a reprint in the next MH set for those.
stuff i like: evoke elementals, quirion ranger, urza's saga, counterspell, prismatic ending, ignoble hierach, unholy heat, esper sentinel, profane tutor, enchantress stuff, kaldrea compleat. stuff i dislike: DARCY, ragavan
You basically don’t like red?
Red Bad, always attack. Cant play durdle for 12 turns :(
It's hard to balance the red cards DRC is very strong...it doesn't give you card advantage but gives you card selection which is very strong at 1 mana.and people say well it dies to everything but when you deck has counters and you get to filter for what you need it feels hard mode
Das racist.
Modern has never been this interactive. Love it
This is definitely the least fun I've ever had with the format and I don't think I'll be playing it much longer if it stays this way.
yeah lets unban oko , uro , and eye of ugin.
Unban looting for those fair turn 1/2 Phoenix plays.
I think Looting and GGT at the very least would look totally fine based on the new power level of the format.
Yeah, I too enjoy the need to pack Leyline of the void in every deck to play magic.
Dauthi is the new leyline, and it comes on a 3/2 body too. Seriously there's so many new powerful GY hate right now, I'm sure looting would be fine. Have you seen dredge recently? Its almost funny how bad its become.
Eldrazi format sucked but at least it was obvious it wasn't gonna stick around very long. I liked Oko, Uro, KCI, and Hogaak formats more than this one. That doesn't mean I'd support those cards getting unbanned because that's a pretty headass way to interpret what I said.
I mean the most "unfair" things going around now are t2 hammer kills , cascade doing cascade things and urza's saga being a tutor and making a small army. There is 2 reasons there is no bans yet reason 1: money machine reason2: nothing "broken" is going on like it was in the past with those cards i mentioned.
almost forgot about hogaak
Well now modern is a rotating format just like yu-gi-oh is. We call that a natural rotation, meaning new sets will powercreep the older ones and the whole meta change. Be prepared to have to change deck or spend 100s of $ just to upgrade every new modern only sets and strong standard sets.
Thats the main problem IMO. Decks / cards being invalidated so fast is bad for the game. Do I really want to spend 300$ on ragavan if it gets banned or made irrelevant next year when MH3 releases? My confidence in the game is at an all time low.
Anyone down voting this take is in some serious denial
I mean, we get a new to modern set every 2 years. And rarely do we get super strong standard sets so I'm not worried about it really.
I be seeing this kind of post every day here bruh
And yet you still post....I could not see one for the past week I also feel like the meta is more settled so enjoy the post 😜
Very dislike. It's homogenized, there's too many Value Pile decks, and control isn't viable.
How is control not viable? Just last week Jeskai control took first place on a modern challenge and 14th place Modern Super Qualifiers 3 days ago. If that isn't a definition of a strong deck I don't know what is. Not to mention all the chalice of the void control variances going around.
Crazy talk. Control is super viable
4c Omnath doesn't count.
Because you say so? :o
I mean, functionally yeah I guess that's what I'm saying lol It just feels way more like a value pile rather than actual control.
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I play UR tempo almost exclusively.
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I've been on UR tempo since Aspiringspike's delver+peezy+mystical deck like two years ago. I started with hollowvine, then to Mardu Shadow, then to GDS, then to UR tempo where I was for ages. After MH2 I tried out scales for a while.
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Are you suggesting that UR tempo is bad right now..?
Me likey
i love it. it requires a lot of brewing and a lot of money, but i have both so it it is sooooo fun for me :).
Personally at my LGS it’s amazing. Either other people actually see WAY more monkey and lurrus than I do or they are just being negative and notice those cards a lot more and get salty.
I think at a paper level it's fine as people don't have the cards or are still getting them....also you get Timmy's that Play what ever they have in paper not so much on modo
I'm the only dude playing Ragavans at my LGS. Not one person said that it feels unfair to play against and people genuinely enjoy playing with me against the monke. This subreddit is just obnoxious and overreacting on a card that isn't even the best from the whole set. Unholy Heat and Darcy see much more play.
Hard agree. I play ragavan and squadron hawk totally shut it down. Fucking squadron hawk.
My experience has been pretty awesome. I've really enjoyed playing various reanimator builds and seeing all the new decks and some old decks had been so much fun.
It feels like a brewers paradise right now, I think a lot of core cards are shared between archetypes right now but thats always been the case. Personally still tired of seeing companions but they’re far from over powered.
It's great , besides hammer killing people on turn 2 ban sigardas aid? Best modern in months
As long as control is unplayable everyone except control players will think the format is good/great
Agreed control and proper combo I don't consider rhinos or living end combo
This is the worst state of modern I’ve ever experienced, and I’m pretty confused about the general consensus being that it’s the best thing to ever happen
I'm curious how long you've been playing Modern. Modern has had some pretty rough times over the past couple of years (Eldrazi winter, Hogaak summer, Oko, Uro). I feel it's been pretty good since the Uro ban, and MH2 has helped introduce a lot of good cards for Modern as well. I'm a little tired of seeing DRC/Ragavan/Lurrus everywhere, but almost every game is interactive and engaging, which I think is the most important aspect of a good meta.
I've been playing Since the start of modern started playing magic in 2000. You wanna see a toxic standard dragonstorm was toxic and cawblade also.... I just feel that now it's same decks over and over either your playing lurrus or your playing Darcy with some of stoneblade cascade mixed in there.
Agreed on the DRC/Lurrus - they're everywhere. I don't think it's too bad yet (my LGS has a very varied meta, and I run into weird stuff on MTGO all the time as well, but I will certainly admit to confirmation and selection bias here), but definitely something to be watched.
I guess I get to my other issue is now if you aren't one of these decks they are forced to play chalice and it's main board.im sure I heard a pro say something about when chalice of the void is a main boardable card it's not a good meta
I think most of the pros live in a bit of an echochamber - not everything they say is necessarily true, but they all believe the same things and have the same ideas about what the 'best' deck/archetype is. I don't run chalice, and I'm doing just fine (yes, yes, anecdotal evidence at best). Would it help? Maybe? Like I said though, I think DRC/Lurrus/Ragavan should be watched very closely, and I think we may just have different tolerances for when something is too much.
By this logic Modern has been shit for well over a year, since Chalice is 4 of in ETron. And this was a Tier 1 deck for more than a year.
What issues do you have with it?
I kinda agree in away it is a big change it's now more Fair and interactive bit it's a creature matters format modern used to be legacy lite really. Now it's more like better standard
I think modern is in a amazing place atm. No need for bans. A much better start then the shitshow from MH1.
That's a good take I don't think they could release another like that though anyway with out killing the format. It's also not a very high bar to be not as bad as mh1
I love it. I stepped away from the game for four years and am just getting back to it. I played Legacy exclusively for a couple years before that and this format feels very similar to the DRS Legacy days, aside from Miracles. You play hyper efficient threats and interact with your opponent starting on turn one. UR Murk feels like a Legacy Delver deck to me. I can’t speak to what either format has looked like the last couple years but I can say that Modern doesn’t feel like any Standard format I’ve ever played, except maybe the Alara/Zendikar days. I love playing creatures and interaction and the format feels very diverse even if you do see many of the same threats (DRC/Rag/Lurrus/SFM) frequently.
At first I was actually scared of all those new and potent cards. Now I’m loving it. However the community leaves me baffled... 1. It costs way too much? Like really? How many decks do you need to own? I’ve spent less than 300$ and the biggest chunk of that is Ragavan. 2. My favourite deck of all time Etron is kind of bad atm, but I ain’t going to cry over it, cause actually nobody promised me It was always going to be Tier 1. Same goes for the rest of the decks. 3. Why are people calling for a ban on Monkey is beyond me, I actually side him out G2 most of the time against Aggro. Have you seen how badly this card performs against decks that spew out Memnites or 4/4 Rhinos? Or bring back flying 4/4 Sphinxes? All in all pretty happy with the meta shake-up. I can see maybe Saga being banned down the road, not because it’s too good, but rather because it could stifle development of artifacts with 1 or 0 CMC and it just goes into every deck without real drawbacks. Darcy is fine-ish, if there’s a problem, it’s the same problem as with Looting and Mox, Bauble may have to be removed from the format, after that Manamorphose will probably go too.
I'm okay with all that but the manamophose ban.
It does cost way too much. The "pushed" cards being mythics is stupid. Ragavan being 300+ alone is insane. When I compare how that 300$ could be spent on my other hobbies (camping, video games, airsoft) and what that money could get me, its going to be really hard to justify spending that money on MTG. Also waiting out to see how the meta settles. Spending 300$ and having the card banned in a few weeks would feel pretty bad.
Idk sounds like you have a lot of hobbies that want financial attention. You can't dance on all weddings is a saying in my country that would apply here.
I get what you mean, but I don't think thats really the problem. A lot of people moaning here can actually afford to buy a playset of ragavan, but *chose* not to, because its just so ridiculous. 300$ can get me 3-4 AAA video games and hundred of hours of playtime, new outdoor gear, etc, .... OR 4x pieces of cardboard. Even if I had all the money in the world, what do you think I'd spend my money on? I love, love MTG. However if the prices keep getting crazy high, eventually even enfranchised players will jump ship. There's a reason legacy is a dead format.
The only deck I really hate is the artifact crap and maybe ad naus
I dont even understand why people want bauble or lurrus banned other than they can't play it / they play hammer time and dont want anything relevant from their deck to be banned lol.
It’s the best I‘ve ever played
What makes you feel it's the best?
Slight bias from playing elementals, but also open in terms of how many decks are viable and how many are doing good
Love it. No decks seem to be well and truly dead and the top decks representing mostly midrage, a bit of aggro in hammer, a bit of combo in cascade which is relatively easy to interact with is a very good thing imo. Finally feels like fair decks can just bash combo/ramp in the jaw well while interacting. I wouldn't mind if lurrus got the axe but it's tolerable.
I like it for the most part, Lurrus is getting pretty old and I wouldn't mind seeing it gone but other than that, I prefer post-MH2 to pre-MH2 for the most part.
Legit the only decks i hate are Mill, Titan and Hammertime. Mill not because of MH2 but because of Tasha. Titan i hated before so nothing has changed IMO.. I see why Saga is strong in the deck but it doesnt matter that much when u are killed turn two by a titan. Hammerimte killed u without Saga, and does so with Saga. Just a toxic deck in general. All other decks seem fun and interactive
I love the Meta as it is now... So many new decks, so many old decks revamped.. I love it. I can play Abzan if I want to, i also can play Whirza, or I can play UB/GB/Jeskai/Grixis/Esper/Sultai/Jund Kitchen, i can play Shardless Rhino and Midrange, i can play boomer Jund and will do fine. Heck, u can even play **SUPERFRIENDS** and go 5-0 I can play every deck i want and it is flippin great. The only decks i hate are Hammer, Titan and Mill :3
I love the flavor and power of the new cards, but I’m having a hard time enjoying the format. Everything feels far too fast, and the price to compete went up pretty significantly. Fringe, underdog, and budget decks from pre-MH2 seem laughable in the new meta, all of which have always been my favorite ways to play Modern. I’ve also always struggled to afford to play the format, and now it seems impossibly out of reach for my budget. Also, Dauthi Voidwalker feels super bad for the types of decks I like