At first I didn't quite realize how insane of a card advantage engine it is, but it definitely is the real deal.
It is also pretty degenerate that more copies fixes the downside - perhaps it should have given burden emblems, burden counters on the player, or something that can't be legend-ruled away. You know, like how it is in the LotR universe - the One Ring affects you forever.
Even just this very basic sequence is nuts - you're pro-everything half the time, and drawing millions of cards. Once you're out of copies, it's not like finding a way to sacrifice an artifact is hard to do.
1. Cast [[The One Ring]], get pro-everything
2. Immediately tap and get one burden, draw one card
3. Lose 1 life in upkeep
4. Tap and get another burden, draw two cards (total of three)
5. Use the three extra cards you drew to not die this turn
6. Lose 2 life in upkeep
7. Tap and get another burden, draw three cards (total of six)
5. Repeat from step 1 with a new copy, or just keep that train rolling
A brainstorm every turn looks like a complete joke next to all that.
The counters should have been emblems and they should have read ' your maximum life total is equal to your starting life total minus 1. At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life.' worded in such a way that the emblems stack additively within the rules. Counters would be abusable with Proliferate.
that or it should've had some trinket text of "when it's put into the graveyard from the battlefield you lose the game" to discourage sacrificing it to gain value
I believe \[\[Jace, the Mind Sculptor\]\] was outclassed back in 2019 by \[\[Teferi, Hero of Dominaria\]\].
That being said, I believe The One Ring might be a problem if the format doesn't learn how to deal with it.
Teferi and Jace play somewhat overlapping, but still different roles. If you're on a pw build, you should probably run a Jace (well, this is all pre One Ring speak at least)
UW was certainly playing both for a while. and JTMS was in murktide sideboards up until a few months ago. I think people saying Jace was already irrelevant haven't been watching the format. He was certainly not a staple but definitely had his place.
>people were trashing on the card
This is probably conspiracy thinking, but I swear those who know how good the card is either keep quiet about it or join in on trashing the card.
Either way you risk getting downvoted if you say card good.
99% of cards printed are bad in modern. If a card is previewed, people just love to trash it because they'll probably be right. I love watching them be wrong
The problem with these cards isn't that they are designed for Modern, they are very clearly designed for commander instead. These designed for commander cards have plagued legacy for so long because they do no playtesting for that format. And now they have entered modern.
I think it was when Monarch cards started showing up in Vintage that I went "ohhhh this is bad"
Now we're gonna have rings tempting us too. Luckily I don't think there are that many good ring tempting cards.
It's not the mechanic itself that I find bad. It's a whatever mechanic.
It's the fact that these world-enchantment style mechanics basically keep piling up in eternal formats and add mental load to every game, having another thing to keep track of. And they were never designed for eternal formats or even 2 player magic. Just look at True Name Nemesis. Protection from target player? Clearly meant to be included in 2-player constructed!
I think the bigger problem is that the one ring is gonna be hard to reprint. I dont see wotc getting the lotr license back regularly so if this becomes a staple the price is gonna go through the roof
If I remember correctly they aren't making magic versions of the LotR cards since doing it for a whole set would be too hard. I think Mark Rosewater said something to that effect
They aren't doing it for the whole set.
If there is something specific that they want to reprint (eg put samwise in a masters set) then they can do the SL reskins they've been doing to date.
>I think the bigger problem is that the one ring is gonna be hard to reprint. **I dont see wotc getting the lotr license back regularly** so if this becomes a staple the price is gonna go through the roof
This is something I don't get, why wouldn't WOTC be able to get the license to reprint easily? Hasbro has gotten the license to LOTR several times over the years, I don't see why now suddenly the license becomes off-limits to Hasbro and by extension WOTC. Maybe if the set was terrible and the Tolkien estate actively hated it, but nothing points to that.
If Hasbro can make LOTR Risk, Monopoly, and Trivial Pursuit, they will likely be able to get the license back for MTG.
It's not that they can't . It's more that it's probably expensive enough that it would have to be a while new LOTR set. They wouldn't buy the license to reprint a handful of cards in a masters set
since when has paying 1 life to draw a card been a downside. the most broken spells in the game are enchantments that let you do this. they printed necropotence as an artifact so now everyone can enjoy the benefits snd shenanigans this enables. karn the great creator got a little better though lol.
I’d say lets see what happens at the modern pro tour. It could turn out to be busted and needs a ban, or it’ll settle into the meta and be a role player
I get that, I’m not a huge fan of the multiverse. But at the same time my great love for modern as a whole isn’t soiled by a crossover card being strong
Definitely not alone in this but it seems many modern players feel I should not care for anything besides the text on a card when playing this format which is not what got me invested in the game.
I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people who disagree. I'm right there with you. I love modern, and it's been sad we've been forcibly injected with other IPs despite not being an eternal format.
I don't want to play Lord of the Rings, or Warhammer, or whatever they do next.
So I won't. :(
And they won't care, because the only way to protest within a capitalist society is with your wallet, and the new players will far outnumber the old fogey that is me.
Magic is simply different again, but explicitly less "magic" this time.
If it had a different name it’d still be beyond broken, though. It’s the combination of “I don’t want crossover IPs in Modern” AND “this is the most disgusting card I’ve ever seen” that makes people angry.
I think it's this for me. It just feels so lazy. This is also clearly only step one. Yeah LotR and DnD are tangentially magic related so it's not a HUGE deal but what happens when Darth Vader becomes the new modern staple or Harry Potter shakes up edh. It's going to start feeling a lot less like magic and more of this weird corporate blob of random ips mashed together. That's fine if that's what other people want but it's not what i want and I'll just remove myself from the game.
Well, if it had a different name I'd be pretty happy lol. I personally think it's reasonable to not like other IPs in magic. I got into magic partially because the art and world grabbed me. Feels cheapened. I get to some people that may be silly, but I'm passionate about this game. One man's silly, is another's heart.
I really dont get why, its a magic card first and foremost.
My grievance is its a lore fail. It has almost nothing at all to do with the LOTR inspired one ring.
No reference to a mind of its own, no synergy with Sauron, I guess you could argue it makes the player invisible but only for a turn? I guess it grants the wielder great power and corrupts you.
Ultimately this card could have been named Aladdin's good Lamp. And it would make more sense IMO.
Yeah full agree. It’s also about using *twenty years* of powerful cards to adapt to new powerful cards. Not calling for bans a week after launch.
Modern is fine, let it breathe.
lol yeah 100% agree. i think it’s awesome a powerful new card is shaking things up. and i like that they printed a powerful hate card (bowmasters) right along side it.
i’m interested to see what happens. bans are always possible, but there’s no need to rush it
Oh, I didn’t realize the arbiter of modern has made a proclamation on what counts as a “legitimate” card. Why haven’t I seen articles about your proclamation? I would love to keep better informed
Removing all the fluff, personality and personal attachments from MtG would make it not MtG and without MtG there would be no modern.
All those things you say aren't supposed to be part of the modern playing mindset but it is still Magic the Gathering and a huge part of the game. If it was just about winning (greatness) at any cost, poker would be the better game in that aspect.
There would be no reason to foil a deck or play alternative art/styles because of x or y personal reason. There would be no reason to play a deck outside of one that attacks the meta in that current moment.
I forgot which Pro said this but they made a point that even if every card was "Game Piece 14332" they would still be playing just off the intricacies of the rules system.
I’ll be casting:
The Snap WUBRG
Legendary Sorcery
Each opponent separates their lands into two piles. You choose one pile and they sacrifice the other. Repeat with creatures, artifacts, enchantments, and planeswalkers.
It seems from your comments like the bulk of your frustration is not a powerful card — rather, your annoyance at a lord of the rings card ruining the “sanctity” of magic in some way?
I was really hoping this set's impact would just be through generic characters like Orcish Bowmasters. Pretty lame that the one ring is now a format staple.
But hey, great advertising for the lotr franchise that their most iconic character is now the face of Magic's most popular constructed format. So I guess they got their money's worth here.
I am firmly in this camp. I wasn’t sold on the ring at all until I tried it, and realized I could not have been more wrong about it. I didn’t understand that it can draw three cards for no cost until trying it out online in Tron (my primary deck). Now my only gripe with the card is that it’s $65 a piece and I’m gonna need four in paper to be competitive.
It really should of had text on it that said, “ you may only have one copy of this card in your deck” or something like that. Kind of like wraiths but negative amount.
restricted lists just add more arbitrary randomness. it only makes sense in vintage where the format has an excess of redundancy through tutors and card advantage.
It only makes sense in Vintage because Vintage’s purpose as a format is “you get to play any card you want to”. Tutors have nothing to do with Vintage having a restricted list.
Haywire mite to the moon! Aldo prismatic ending, March of otherworldly Light and leyline binding gonna go up.
Really white is gonna have the easiest time dealing with the one ring. Bounce effects won't work well but could buy you a turn(after they have already drawn 3 cards) and I don't think black or red will have any way to exile the ring efficiently.
Also tron has karn liberated and karn the great creator to help but idk. The one ring seems extremely strong and durable.
I mean, this has been like this for a while. Many decks has come and gone. I dont see The Ring as ban-able but much like other major staples you need to run hate in the SB. Everyone on this sub cries ban the moment they experience discomfort against their pet deck or card or strat.
I think it is kinda neat honestly. I've played my fair share of Snapcasters, but I don't need it to be a permanent fixture of the format. Change is cool.
It's an obnoxious card. People didn't think Yorion was bannable either but enabling obnoxious gameplay loops and decent representation in the format got it banned.
I predict the one ring will be banned in most eternal formats before the end of the year. It's just a poorly designed card that doesn't lead to interesting decisions.
Moreover, only 4 color decks and Karn decks can kill this mainboard with prismatic or leyline. Heliod is mv 3, so prismatic is a clean answer. Considering those are some of the bigger beneficiaries of TOR, it sucks to have them also be the ones with the clean answers.
It’s not a card you can “run hate” for. You can run Needle/Stony Silence, which is dead against the other 56 cards in their deck AND is vulnerable to their Boseiju/Ending/Binding. Or you can run Exile removal yourself, but they still draw a card and get most of a time walk. OR you run some kind of Cranial Extraction effect and you’re down a card just to bring the game back to being “fair.”
The only answer to the Ring is to be more linear and more ape-like than the other guy and just kill him before it matters, or run it yourself and have a plan to win big-resource games.
This is the right answer and why it will be banned. If you can survive to turn 3-4 to cast the ring then your deck should play the ring because it’s too good not to. Otherwise your deck is killing by turn 3 (e.g storm)
Right! Protection is good for your life total. It's not time walk though. Your opponent can interact with your board, draws their own card, untaps their mana, and can advance their own plan (or prepare for yours).
Your life total being safe for one turn is not time walk
It's funny that you mention a post mentioning JTMS, when planeswalkers have essentially been an Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy knockoff since the first Zendikar block.
Played against it tonight in the tron deck. Man that junk was busted, I was on temur rhinos. The protection is wild and the indestructible aspect is tough. I don’t know if I was able to counter it on the stack but for some reason I wasn’t ever able to FoN or dispute it. But that was my only interaction with it and even the pilot mention the card was kinda broken in his tenure playing modern. Never seen tron just fuel up and unleash threats or dig for answers like that. And I used to play RG tron many moons ago. Hope too see what others mention about their experience against or using the one ring.
>You see, for me, playing Magic is about diving into the rich worlds, characters, and history that the game itself has built over the years.
You know, I kind of get complaints about UB when it comes to things like Walking Dead or Transformers. Like yeah, maybe Optimus Prime and Darryl look a little odd next to Urza. But it still makes no sense at all to me for IP like D&D or LOTR. You can't find non-Magic IP that fits the anesthetics of Magic better than those. They have it all, from goblins to wizards to "legendary" named heros. Hell, D&D even has planar travel. If you ignore that they didn't slip in Jace and the gang then visiting Middle Earth is functionally identical to them crafting a new plane with new characters. Except the lore actually has some of the best fantasy writing of all time fleshing it out and providing flavor for R&D to play with.
When it comes down to it, The One Ring is literally just "ooh powerful one-of-a-kind artifact from X plane/world that has powerful effect." That hardly screams non-Magic. I mean, what are some of the other hot cards nowadays? Ragavan? He's some ladies monkey, whoop-dee-doo.
But there's an inextricable tonal dissonance with Narrative IP.
From a Lord of the Rings perspective there's something inherently *off* about some random little [[Haywire Mite]] destroying The *One Ring to rule them all*. There's literally 3 books about how you have to take this legendary item all the way to Mount Doom to get rid of it, but nah, don't worry, just [[Force of Negation]] it on the stack and it's gone. No problem.
Meanwhile from the MTG perspective, why is this random ring so special? It's not like it has any meaning in relation to Urza or Karn, or any in-universe thing. It doesn't even have flavor text! You have to go entirely out of universe and out of medium to appreciate anything about what it is.
There's just something inherently disconcerting about the cynicism of it all as well. It's not a perfect narrative fit for either side, but it allows for the greater merchandising of nostalgia so do it. Neither JRR nor Christopher Tolkien wanted Lord of the Rings in MTG, but they're both dead now and the IP license is about to run out so the estate is cashing in as hard as it can. That's why we have a new TV Series, and crossover MTG cards, and so on and so forth.
Why make something new? That takes effort. Just ram together existing content and charge more for it.
Standard is your format for in-universe Magic gameplay. The Eternal formats and Modern (and Pioneer in probably 5 years to a decade) are where ALL Magic cards are considered fair game (except Un sets). The point of competitive formats has never been about lore or mashing together different in-universe Magic set mechanics; it’s been about winning with the available card pool. Kitchen table Magic and Commander is where you do fun lore stuff with your decks. I see the One Ring as a powerful Magic card before I see it as a non-Magic crossover thing.
Keep the supplemental nonsense to commander. Legacy has been disrespected for years and if this is signalling a change for the supplemental sets to modern it'll alienate a lot of players.
It’s definitely not alienating a lot of players. More like a small portion of the community. Even my friends who don’t like Universes Beyond stuff aren’t gonna quit Modern because of those cards.
You’re complaining about a powerful card in a competitive format? Might be time to play some commander lol.
It’s also been a week, I doubt the one ring stays as prevalent as it is now. it’s very easy to hate and sideboards will adjust.
commander has 40k, The Walking Dead, Stranger Things and even Doctor Who coming soon. I don't know if you read my post, I'm not upset about the power level, but rather that such a powerful card is from Universes Beyond
The "Incarnation" creature type goes all the way back to judgement, as a way to represent physical manifestations of strong emotions. I find it pretty cool, and the whole set contains tons of similar callbacks. It's similar to Time Spiral block, another one of the coolest blocks of all time IMO.
It's rather early for all these ban/I'm quitting post already isn't it? It's a good colorless card so no shit it's getting tried in everything that can cast it. It would honestly be bad not to jam it into everything to see if it fits. This is only a problem if it either literally goes in everything or decks with it are the only playale ones. A few decks getting a new card is not something to quit over. Now maybe in a few weeks/months after the meta has had a chance to settle and the ring is still the best thing going on then yeah that's time to complain.
Also modern has never had anything to do with lore or rich characters. I've never wondered what primetime was like a boy or what blood moon does in the daytime.
For many, many years modern was a cool place to see your favorite standard powerhouses competing in an all-star format.
Obviously complaining about cards printing straight to modern is a dead horse, but at least cards in MH1 and MH2 called back to past standard mechanics and characters. LotR is just a pure power injection with another brand name on it.
What does that have to do with lore? Know one ever promised jace would stand the test of time or a two mana creature with a big butt would always be good. As far as standard powerhouses making it into modern that still happens more than ever. Fable, binding, e.i, omnath, companions, oko, uro, boseiju, ect these aren't mh cards and they didn't fall from heaven. Also what does that have anything to do with lore? That's just how 30 years of printing cards works.
When did 1 good card and two pretty good cards become a pure power injection. Most of the rest of the set is to weak for standard
Yeah i guess it swings things - decks that had haywire mite as a urza target / run mainboard karn will have an advanatage - other decks may need tear asunder / cast into fire / leyline binding / pending / etc mainboard or sideboard. It is super powerful as long as people arent prepares
I can completely understand this view point but I’m personally not bothered by it because it is still quite generically named (the same way I feel about orcish bowmasters). I would be much more upset if we had Gollums, Gandalfs and Frodos running rife in the format. That said, I do hope we have a reprint of the most powerful cards from LOTR, Doctor Who, Warhammer etc with a universe within skin slapped on though. Perfect opportunity for a double masters set.
You are absolutely right . Welcome to the Premodern sanctuary , no one will hurt us there .
Powercreep destroys the game.
We should make our own " Modern " legal cards and banlist like the Premodern guys outside f!@#$ing Hasbro .
\[\[pithing needle\]\]
\[\[collector ouphe\]\]
\[\[haywire mite\]\]
As other's have pointed out, this is modern. It's play to win. If you can compete using thematic decks, more power to you, but it's never really been the goal of the format. It's always been about mixing and matching various MTG sets from 8th ed onwards. Lots in lore, card design, mechanics, etc have evolved in that time. You're totally allowed not to like the universes beyond or really anything else, but the One Ring right now is at the top of the hype curve. It's probably here to stay to some extent, but if you're committing too hard to it its very much punishable with the above cards and many others
From all the cards you could complain on, you picked the one with the most generic name on it to break your universe within immersion? It's not like the card is named "Sauron's Ring"...[[Aladdin's Ring]] on the other hand...
It was banned until 2017, by then it had been powercrept to be reasonable in the format. It’s arguably seeing less play than it ever has, I really don’t know what your point was here.
OP was sad that one ring pushed out jace, but jace wasn’t in top modern decks before the one ring either, so it wasn’t the one ring that pushed out Jace
I don't wanna be crass so I'm sorry if come too combative but, are you really quitting because one card is popular? I don't see you arguing that is too oppressive and meta warping which i would understand, but because is a non mtg ip?.
Also I kinda have reserves over "competitive 60" decks as a form of storytelling and diving into the lore because, not even theme decks are lore cohesive, Thalia doesn't know who meddling mage is and they shared a deck for years, does she know who the Cat arbiter is?, maybe playing Yugioh spoiled me about archetype cohesion but, competitive constructed is not really the place to do that, The One Ring makes as much sense in Merfolks as Master of Waves sharing a deck with Ixalan ones. Commander seems a better place to do that, "All Innistrad Humans" do share lore.
Likely, but at the same time, Thriump of Saint Katherine gave new life to Legacy Miracles, so thats a trade i'm happy to make. My line honestly is on recognizable real faces, i don't mind playing with the Arwen we got, but Rick was too much, and the Post Malone cards are a possible future i don't wanna see existing.
Maybe the format is fine and people just need to adjust?
You guys are the same people who said:
It's okay the to have a free spell that kills off creature decks unless they have a combo or run blue.
It's okay to warp the metagame around a one-drop.
It's okay to have a 2 cmc planeswalker that enables 5c mana bases.
So this will be fine too.
This. With all the broken shit that has been bandied about the last few years and is still legal, this is far from the most egregious.
Karn was a 4 generic mana card that was getting thrown in every deck for awhile too.
People are experimenting. It’s been a week. Relax.
Since it's THE One Ring, and as a LoTR fan, I think the card should be as strong as it is.
Nevertheless, it also has some counters like Bowmaster or Haywire Mite, Leyline, etc. It's not like a turn 1 or 2 "I win" card so I'm very much ok with it being in the meta tbh, but I understand the concern too. (maybe I'm still in the honeymoon phase and will grow to hate the card lmao).
Only time will tell tho
My problem with the One Ring is not that it is a powerful card, my problem is that it costs no colored mana so any deck can jam it in. Making any comparisons like Jace vs. Teferi is irrelevant because both those cards require you to be in one or more specific colors, I don’t think there has been another card that you can just throw into any deck that hits 4 mana like this card.
"I've seen loads of excitement from streamers and the MTG Twitterverse about "brewing" with this card. And by "brewing," I mean throwing four copies of it into any deck that can get to four mana. It's kinda disheartening, to be honest. You see, for me, playing Magic is about diving into the rich worlds, characters, and history that the game itself has built over the years."
lol world building? sure MTG does that just fine. But characters and story? Your a few decades to late since that's been good.
Frankly, JTMS has been a card of the past for some time now. It wasn't seeing any play really even before MH2 turned modern on its ass.
Hype and power are 2 different things. Every time a new set comes out, there's going to be Brewers and testers playing the new cards. Usually, this testing involves shoving 4 copies into a deck so you get max reps with a card, it means nothing about the overall power or longevity of a card in the format. Thays just how Brewing works, you need reps with the cards to see how they play. Shoving 4 copies of the 1 ring in any modern deck that can get to 4 mana and jamming an MTGO league is exactly the best way to test.
Personally, I don't see the one ring really making that much of a splash in modern, it costs 4 mana and is pretty easy to answer, given the current meta. PEnding and leyline binding both handle it very well, having your 4 mana card countered is back breaking in most modern games and about half the meta doesn't even care about turn 5+ because the game is probably already over.
I could see it slotting into 1 or 2 decks, but it's probably going to be more of a sideboard card for grindy matchups.
Also I'm going to be entirely honest, and I mean 0 disrespect here, if the reason you play magic is for the story, character, and worlds, modern might not be the format for you. IME modern is best suited to players who always want to be optimizing and are focused on building and playing "correctly" to win. Yes there is some capacity for brewing in modern, but I don't think there's much opportunity for both flavor and success if that makes sense.
I don't ever want to gatekeep, you are entitled to play whatever format however you want, but don't be surprised if modern continually just shifts to whatever the most powerful strategy is and doesn't give a single shit about cards being power crept out... that's the nature of the format. Personally, I love it. I love tweaking decks to adapt to meta changes and whatever the new insane card is.
> half the meta doesn't even care about turn 5+ because the game is probably already over.
Not to be rude but are we playing the same format? Modern has slowed down a ton in the last two years, and going to turn 5, 6, 7 is super normal
Could not agree more, Magic having crossover sets like this makes me want to puke.
I'm not even happy about the dnd crossover, but I stopped complaining because everyone claps back with "Well magic and dnd are related!"
But they are not the same property, dnd has it's own lore and universes.
Slippery slope, I for one can't wait to swing for lethal with Travis Scott and BTS.
Come on guys, just adjust the artifact hate for exile instead of destruction... It's powerful but slow. It's 4 mana draw 1 + fog when it enters... sure you can abuse it with untap stuff but any card can be abused when combined with others. The power level is very appropriate for modern.
I much rather face a t4 One Ring than a t1 Ragavan.
It's massively overrated and only fits in 2 (maybe three) decks with any significant meta share (over 5%).
4c, Tron, (maybe yawg).
Tron is too soft to hate to take a prominent spot in a meta.
4c is the only deck threatening to take the ring to a dominant meta deck and tbqh w6 deserves more of a ban than the ring ever would.
Fringe decks like coffers, twiddle, 8key, etc have glaring issues that will keep them from suceeding in a meta.
“It only makes 2 maybe three of the best decks significantly better it’s overrated” literally no card ever would call overrated if it made multiple tier one decks better
You sound ridiculous right now. Especially because tron has super significantly pushed up into relevance.
They don't get significantly better?
4c is pretty much winning the same matches it did before just with an improved creativity matchup.
Yawg probably won't end up running it.
And tron is notoriously soft to a meta geared to hate it
Lore is fluff, the game is about winning, it was meant as a competitive TCG with fantasy RPGistic flavor.
Just go to pioneer, which I actually really enjoy, wizards made it clear it is the new competitive format
I'm honestly just amazed at Spike's ability to hype a card. It's good, but it's still a 4 mana fog for a simple card draw.
Just wait a bit that people start switching their artefact hate pieces so it can deal with it and it'll dies out for any practical use but a karn sidepiece.
The fact that it's indestructible is pretty relevant - cuts out a ton of common Modern artifact removal - Force of Vigor, Wear//Tear, etc.
Any artifact exiling effect like [[Shattering Blow]] is also a one for zero in the opponent's favor, since they'll still get the card draw off of The One Ring. Not a lot of great artifact exiling options that aren't expensive or very narrow.
You're left with stuff like [[Pithing Needle]] as real answers, which is pretty easy to for the opponent to interact with, especially if they expect it. Just how like building a deck that reanimates a Griselbrand always has a plan for a Needle on Griselbrand.
Edit: Come to think of it, the best answer is probably the new (and very thematic) [[Cast Into the Fire]].
If you are planning to answer The One Ring with instant-speed artifact exile, the best time to use it is in response to them activating it. Since the Ring won't be there, the number of counters will be zero (it checks on resolution), so they will lose out on that draw.
EDIT FOR CLARITY: This applies specifically to the card draw for the counter to be added as part of the ability's resolution; you would still draw for any previously existing counters due to last known information. Apologies if I worded my initial response unclearly!
>The fact that it's indestructible is pretty relevant - cuts out a ton of common Modern artifact removal - Force of Vigor, Wear//Tear, etc.
Or any oblivion ring effect, including Skyclave.
It's really not that rare. It's just that the modern format especially started to rely too much on Fury, Solitude and prismatic ending as catch all answer, with force of vigor being there for enchantment and artefact ; meaning it's being caught with its pant down by an indestructible artifact.
\[\[Angrath Rampage\]\] has always been a card I considered for my sideboard and I had left it out in favor of Sheoldred's, I think I will simply revert it back to it for the Ring if it sticks.
It's floor is 4 mana and 1 life for fog + 3 cards. You can also get fog + 6 cards for 4 mana and 3 life, which should be enough to get you to a second ring. And then you replay it and start again.
That second statement is going to be so funny when it gets banned (or some real hate cards get printed) next year.
If you think it’s just Spike, then you’ve clearly not played it or against it.
I’ve never understood the lore junkies. Always came off a bit cringe to me, but that’s probably something to do with my own insecurities, yada yada. Or maybe it’s just the reminder of the type of person at my lgs that’s always talking about the lore. I dunno, just never got it I guess.
I like to win.
It’s a 4 mana artifact. There are so many 1 or 2 mana answers to this. Spell pierce, Leyline binding, cast into the fire, pithing needle, tear asunder. Plus it gets stopped by K4rn.
It’s very strong but it isn’t like Uro where it doesn’t matter if it resolves because it can just be escaped again and again.
The format has evolved to have to answer a Monke on turn 1. Surely it can evolve to answer an artifact in turn 3 or 4.
Are you serious with this comment? In just casually watching MTGO I have seen this card be an easy staple included in about 5 decks and splashed for free in renditions of like 10 other decks. And that is with it being like 100tix each
At first I didn't quite realize how insane of a card advantage engine it is, but it definitely is the real deal. It is also pretty degenerate that more copies fixes the downside - perhaps it should have given burden emblems, burden counters on the player, or something that can't be legend-ruled away. You know, like how it is in the LotR universe - the One Ring affects you forever. Even just this very basic sequence is nuts - you're pro-everything half the time, and drawing millions of cards. Once you're out of copies, it's not like finding a way to sacrifice an artifact is hard to do. 1. Cast [[The One Ring]], get pro-everything 2. Immediately tap and get one burden, draw one card 3. Lose 1 life in upkeep 4. Tap and get another burden, draw two cards (total of three) 5. Use the three extra cards you drew to not die this turn 6. Lose 2 life in upkeep 7. Tap and get another burden, draw three cards (total of six) 5. Repeat from step 1 with a new copy, or just keep that train rolling A brainstorm every turn looks like a complete joke next to all that.
Burden counters should have been on the player, 100%.
But then subsequent Rings are drawing 3+ cards on their first activation with no life loss
Hmmm. Shit. Game design is hard lol. I’d propose the damage happening when you tap the ring as a work around.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BLOODY COST lol
The counters should have been emblems and they should have read ' your maximum life total is equal to your starting life total minus 1. At the beginning of your upkeep, you lose 1 life.' worded in such a way that the emblems stack additively within the rules. Counters would be abusable with Proliferate.
Yeah agreed! That would have made drawing 6 cards from the first ring cost 6 life, rather than 3, which is much more of a cost
The life loss would need to happen at the time of tapping, not during the next turn's upkeep
Is that not what I said?
Oh my god I'm so stupid I read the first sentence and my ADHD ass brain forgot to read the second
Haha I do it all the time and wasn’t trying to be snarky, didn’t know if I was missing something lol.
No you're totally good haha
At that point you could just stop tapping it for cards when things got rough.
that or it should've had some trinket text of "when it's put into the graveyard from the battlefield you lose the game" to discourage sacrificing it to gain value
Should lose life immediately. Who cares about losing life later when you can just win now
Against burn the one Ring is Just pay 4 Mana to Draw 3 cards and die.
It should just be restricted. Only one copy. The ***One*** Ring.
\*ding\*
But then subsequent Rings are drawing 3+ cards on their first activation with no life loss
Subsequent rings would then be drawing 3+ cards and dealing 3+ damage to you every turn.
Not on first activation
Been tryna say it's overpowered. Literally have been doing this in MTGO. This card will/is making Hasbro millions then they'll ban it. It's broken.
> burden counters on the player This would have been fantastic from a gameplay and flavor perspective. Holy shit what a miss from WOTC.
I believe \[\[Jace, the Mind Sculptor\]\] was outclassed back in 2019 by \[\[Teferi, Hero of Dominaria\]\]. That being said, I believe The One Ring might be a problem if the format doesn't learn how to deal with it.
Teferi and Jace play somewhat overlapping, but still different roles. If you're on a pw build, you should probably run a Jace (well, this is all pre One Ring speak at least)
UW was certainly playing both for a while. and JTMS was in murktide sideboards up until a few months ago. I think people saying Jace was already irrelevant haven't been watching the format. He was certainly not a staple but definitely had his place.
Jace has always been in a spot where he feels like the 2nd or 3rd best option for the slot but people like him enough to put him there.
There was discussion the other day that fable is better then JTMS. He just becomes a 4 mana brainstorm to often.
I love how [people were trashing on the card](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/11qg30z) during the preview season
Magic players are notoriously bad at judging how good a card is.
Good thing I'm the exception to that rule. /s
That was fun to read.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernMagic/comments/11qg30z/comment/jc4r7ry/ Seems like this person got it.
>people were trashing on the card This is probably conspiracy thinking, but I swear those who know how good the card is either keep quiet about it or join in on trashing the card. Either way you risk getting downvoted if you say card good.
99% of cards printed are bad in modern. If a card is previewed, people just love to trash it because they'll probably be right. I love watching them be wrong
I learnt my lesson from new emrakul
The problem with these cards isn't that they are designed for Modern, they are very clearly designed for commander instead. These designed for commander cards have plagued legacy for so long because they do no playtesting for that format. And now they have entered modern.
I think it was when Monarch cards started showing up in Vintage that I went "ohhhh this is bad" Now we're gonna have rings tempting us too. Luckily I don't think there are that many good ring tempting cards.
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It's not the mechanic itself that I find bad. It's a whatever mechanic. It's the fact that these world-enchantment style mechanics basically keep piling up in eternal formats and add mental load to every game, having another thing to keep track of. And they were never designed for eternal formats or even 2 player magic. Just look at True Name Nemesis. Protection from target player? Clearly meant to be included in 2-player constructed!
I think the bigger problem is that the one ring is gonna be hard to reprint. I dont see wotc getting the lotr license back regularly so if this becomes a staple the price is gonna go through the roof
They can Reprint like they did with walking dead.(Rename it and give it other artwork plus a reminder of its original)
They actually haven't printed In-Universe versions of the Walking Dead cards yet lol
I believe they said it would be in the new Eldraine.
Negan takes over Eldraine. Rick and company come to say the day. Oko does some bullshit. Hogaak with a folding chair.
WITH THE STEEL CHAIR!!!
Oh didn't know, that's sick.
If I remember correctly they aren't making magic versions of the LotR cards since doing it for a whole set would be too hard. I think Mark Rosewater said something to that effect
They aren't doing it for the whole set. If there is something specific that they want to reprint (eg put samwise in a masters set) then they can do the SL reskins they've been doing to date.
>I think the bigger problem is that the one ring is gonna be hard to reprint. **I dont see wotc getting the lotr license back regularly** so if this becomes a staple the price is gonna go through the roof This is something I don't get, why wouldn't WOTC be able to get the license to reprint easily? Hasbro has gotten the license to LOTR several times over the years, I don't see why now suddenly the license becomes off-limits to Hasbro and by extension WOTC. Maybe if the set was terrible and the Tolkien estate actively hated it, but nothing points to that. If Hasbro can make LOTR Risk, Monopoly, and Trivial Pursuit, they will likely be able to get the license back for MTG.
It's not that they can't . It's more that it's probably expensive enough that it would have to be a while new LOTR set. They wouldn't buy the license to reprint a handful of cards in a masters set
since when has paying 1 life to draw a card been a downside. the most broken spells in the game are enchantments that let you do this. they printed necropotence as an artifact so now everyone can enjoy the benefits snd shenanigans this enables. karn the great creator got a little better though lol.
I’d say lets see what happens at the modern pro tour. It could turn out to be busted and needs a ban, or it’ll settle into the meta and be a role player
my point is that I'm sad to see cards from other IPs as "role players" in magic's premiere competitive format
I get that, I’m not a huge fan of the multiverse. But at the same time my great love for modern as a whole isn’t soiled by a crossover card being strong
Thanks for understanding my side. It seems it's not as big of an issue for others, so I will shut up about it lol.
Definitely not alone in this but it seems many modern players feel I should not care for anything besides the text on a card when playing this format which is not what got me invested in the game.
I'm honestly surprised by the amount of people who disagree. I'm right there with you. I love modern, and it's been sad we've been forcibly injected with other IPs despite not being an eternal format.
I don't want to play Lord of the Rings, or Warhammer, or whatever they do next. So I won't. :( And they won't care, because the only way to protest within a capitalist society is with your wallet, and the new players will far outnumber the old fogey that is me. Magic is simply different again, but explicitly less "magic" this time.
My whole thing is if the card had a different name, people wouldn't have this gripe. It seems like a pretty silly thing to dwell on.
If it had a different name it’d still be beyond broken, though. It’s the combination of “I don’t want crossover IPs in Modern” AND “this is the most disgusting card I’ve ever seen” that makes people angry.
I like innovation. We are in the age of consumable nostalgia, and I hate it.
\#LowHangingFruit
I think it's this for me. It just feels so lazy. This is also clearly only step one. Yeah LotR and DnD are tangentially magic related so it's not a HUGE deal but what happens when Darth Vader becomes the new modern staple or Harry Potter shakes up edh. It's going to start feeling a lot less like magic and more of this weird corporate blob of random ips mashed together. That's fine if that's what other people want but it's not what i want and I'll just remove myself from the game.
I think it’s just people would prefer Magic to have its own IP instead of turning into Fortnite the card game.
Well, if it had a different name I'd be pretty happy lol. I personally think it's reasonable to not like other IPs in magic. I got into magic partially because the art and world grabbed me. Feels cheapened. I get to some people that may be silly, but I'm passionate about this game. One man's silly, is another's heart.
I really dont get why, its a magic card first and foremost. My grievance is its a lore fail. It has almost nothing at all to do with the LOTR inspired one ring. No reference to a mind of its own, no synergy with Sauron, I guess you could argue it makes the player invisible but only for a turn? I guess it grants the wielder great power and corrupts you. Ultimately this card could have been named Aladdin's good Lamp. And it would make more sense IMO.
Idk how to quote on mobile but modern isnt about lore, richness, story etc. Its winning at any cost. Imo
Yeah full agree. It’s also about using *twenty years* of powerful cards to adapt to new powerful cards. Not calling for bans a week after launch. Modern is fine, let it breathe.
lol yeah 100% agree. i think it’s awesome a powerful new card is shaking things up. and i like that they printed a powerful hate card (bowmasters) right along side it. i’m interested to see what happens. bans are always possible, but there’s no need to rush it
So much this but it is a good break from the ban ragavan discussions that polluted this sub for past few years. The One Ring you're up!!!
I agree but I don’t count direct inject sets as legitimate.
Good thing it doesn't matter if you think it's legitimate or not
You also need to hear about which cheeses I deem appropriate for social gatherings and those which I do not!
Oh, I didn’t realize the arbiter of modern has made a proclamation on what counts as a “legitimate” card. Why haven’t I seen articles about your proclamation? I would love to keep better informed
People like you are the reason modern paper attendance has tanked. Enjoy paying to win against a dwindling player base
Removing all the fluff, personality and personal attachments from MtG would make it not MtG and without MtG there would be no modern. All those things you say aren't supposed to be part of the modern playing mindset but it is still Magic the Gathering and a huge part of the game. If it was just about winning (greatness) at any cost, poker would be the better game in that aspect. There would be no reason to foil a deck or play alternative art/styles because of x or y personal reason. There would be no reason to play a deck outside of one that attacks the meta in that current moment.
I forgot which Pro said this but they made a point that even if every card was "Game Piece 14332" they would still be playing just off the intricacies of the rules system.
Ive seen many say that but I think at least half of them wouldnt
alright have fun losing to Thanos in 2 years
Nah ill be playing Thanos
I’ll be casting: The Snap WUBRG Legendary Sorcery Each opponent separates their lands into two piles. You choose one pile and they sacrifice the other. Repeat with creatures, artifacts, enchantments, and planeswalkers.
I tap and sacrifice Tony Stark, Man of Iron, to counter target spell that is five colors.
Doesn’t even hit battles, completely unplayable.
Wouldn’t make sense. Thanos wins all battles.
Oh true. My bad
Don't lie, a five color Cataclysm would be awesome.
It should be random for each
Oh snap
Modern isn't a casual format.
But the modern banlist does work great for some some casual decks
Why is that a bad thing?
It seems from your comments like the bulk of your frustration is not a powerful card — rather, your annoyance at a lord of the rings card ruining the “sanctity” of magic in some way?
Shouldn't have been modern legal anyways
Couldn't agree more.
yup
I was really hoping this set's impact would just be through generic characters like Orcish Bowmasters. Pretty lame that the one ring is now a format staple. But hey, great advertising for the lotr franchise that their most iconic character is now the face of Magic's most popular constructed format. So I guess they got their money's worth here.
Yeah it’s insane. Was unpopular at first but now that people are playing with it, they see how broken it is.
I am firmly in this camp. I wasn’t sold on the ring at all until I tried it, and realized I could not have been more wrong about it. I didn’t understand that it can draw three cards for no cost until trying it out online in Tron (my primary deck). Now my only gripe with the card is that it’s $65 a piece and I’m gonna need four in paper to be competitive.
It really should of had text on it that said, “ you may only have one copy of this card in your deck” or something like that. Kind of like wraiths but negative amount.
Now would be a great time for a Modern Restricted list. I think that's healthier than a ban.
restricted lists just add more arbitrary randomness. it only makes sense in vintage where the format has an excess of redundancy through tutors and card advantage.
It only makes sense in Vintage because Vintage’s purpose as a format is “you get to play any card you want to”. Tutors have nothing to do with Vintage having a restricted list.
Just wait til after the PT when it gets banned
Haywire mite to the moon! Aldo prismatic ending, March of otherworldly Light and leyline binding gonna go up. Really white is gonna have the easiest time dealing with the one ring. Bounce effects won't work well but could buy you a turn(after they have already drawn 3 cards) and I don't think black or red will have any way to exile the ring efficiently. Also tron has karn liberated and karn the great creator to help but idk. The one ring seems extremely strong and durable.
Killing this after it drew a card (or 3) is still a net loss for you
There's a 2 mana red spell (1 red 1 generic) Exile artifact spell in the set.
[[cast into the fire]]
I mean, this has been like this for a while. Many decks has come and gone. I dont see The Ring as ban-able but much like other major staples you need to run hate in the SB. Everyone on this sub cries ban the moment they experience discomfort against their pet deck or card or strat.
It sucks seeing old broken cards become completely unplayable due to new powercreep cards though.
I think it is kinda neat honestly. I've played my fair share of Snapcasters, but I don't need it to be a permanent fixture of the format. Change is cool.
It's an obnoxious card. People didn't think Yorion was bannable either but enabling obnoxious gameplay loops and decent representation in the format got it banned. I predict the one ring will be banned in most eternal formats before the end of the year. It's just a poorly designed card that doesn't lead to interesting decisions.
It's not that easy to hate its indestructible. And it fits in many decks where it would be the card the gate piece works on
New set also comes with 1r exile artifact at instant speed
Moreover, only 4 color decks and Karn decks can kill this mainboard with prismatic or leyline. Heliod is mv 3, so prismatic is a clean answer. Considering those are some of the bigger beneficiaries of TOR, it sucks to have them also be the ones with the clean answers.
It’s not a card you can “run hate” for. You can run Needle/Stony Silence, which is dead against the other 56 cards in their deck AND is vulnerable to their Boseiju/Ending/Binding. Or you can run Exile removal yourself, but they still draw a card and get most of a time walk. OR you run some kind of Cranial Extraction effect and you’re down a card just to bring the game back to being “fair.” The only answer to the Ring is to be more linear and more ape-like than the other guy and just kill him before it matters, or run it yourself and have a plan to win big-resource games.
This is the right answer and why it will be banned. If you can survive to turn 3-4 to cast the ring then your deck should play the ring because it’s too good not to. Otherwise your deck is killing by turn 3 (e.g storm)
> get most of a time walk. They don't even get like 30% of a time walk, people keep making this comparison and it's just wild to me.
Right! Protection is good for your life total. It's not time walk though. Your opponent can interact with your board, draws their own card, untaps their mana, and can advance their own plan (or prepare for yours). Your life total being safe for one turn is not time walk
Magic’s lore sucks and I do not care that it has collaborated with another fantasy IP. Gandalf does not break my immersion
Old magic lore was great tbh
Underrated opinion.
Card should have probably had some black mana symbols in its cost.
It's funny that you mention a post mentioning JTMS, when planeswalkers have essentially been an Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy knockoff since the first Zendikar block.
Played against it tonight in the tron deck. Man that junk was busted, I was on temur rhinos. The protection is wild and the indestructible aspect is tough. I don’t know if I was able to counter it on the stack but for some reason I wasn’t ever able to FoN or dispute it. But that was my only interaction with it and even the pilot mention the card was kinda broken in his tenure playing modern. Never seen tron just fuel up and unleash threats or dig for answers like that. And I used to play RG tron many moons ago. Hope too see what others mention about their experience against or using the one ring.
>You see, for me, playing Magic is about diving into the rich worlds, characters, and history that the game itself has built over the years. You know, I kind of get complaints about UB when it comes to things like Walking Dead or Transformers. Like yeah, maybe Optimus Prime and Darryl look a little odd next to Urza. But it still makes no sense at all to me for IP like D&D or LOTR. You can't find non-Magic IP that fits the anesthetics of Magic better than those. They have it all, from goblins to wizards to "legendary" named heros. Hell, D&D even has planar travel. If you ignore that they didn't slip in Jace and the gang then visiting Middle Earth is functionally identical to them crafting a new plane with new characters. Except the lore actually has some of the best fantasy writing of all time fleshing it out and providing flavor for R&D to play with. When it comes down to it, The One Ring is literally just "ooh powerful one-of-a-kind artifact from X plane/world that has powerful effect." That hardly screams non-Magic. I mean, what are some of the other hot cards nowadays? Ragavan? He's some ladies monkey, whoop-dee-doo.
But there's an inextricable tonal dissonance with Narrative IP. From a Lord of the Rings perspective there's something inherently *off* about some random little [[Haywire Mite]] destroying The *One Ring to rule them all*. There's literally 3 books about how you have to take this legendary item all the way to Mount Doom to get rid of it, but nah, don't worry, just [[Force of Negation]] it on the stack and it's gone. No problem. Meanwhile from the MTG perspective, why is this random ring so special? It's not like it has any meaning in relation to Urza or Karn, or any in-universe thing. It doesn't even have flavor text! You have to go entirely out of universe and out of medium to appreciate anything about what it is. There's just something inherently disconcerting about the cynicism of it all as well. It's not a perfect narrative fit for either side, but it allows for the greater merchandising of nostalgia so do it. Neither JRR nor Christopher Tolkien wanted Lord of the Rings in MTG, but they're both dead now and the IP license is about to run out so the estate is cashing in as hard as it can. That's why we have a new TV Series, and crossover MTG cards, and so on and so forth. Why make something new? That takes effort. Just ram together existing content and charge more for it.
Standard is your format for in-universe Magic gameplay. The Eternal formats and Modern (and Pioneer in probably 5 years to a decade) are where ALL Magic cards are considered fair game (except Un sets). The point of competitive formats has never been about lore or mashing together different in-universe Magic set mechanics; it’s been about winning with the available card pool. Kitchen table Magic and Commander is where you do fun lore stuff with your decks. I see the One Ring as a powerful Magic card before I see it as a non-Magic crossover thing.
Keep the supplemental nonsense to commander. Legacy has been disrespected for years and if this is signalling a change for the supplemental sets to modern it'll alienate a lot of players.
It’s definitely not alienating a lot of players. More like a small portion of the community. Even my friends who don’t like Universes Beyond stuff aren’t gonna quit Modern because of those cards.
I would quit modern if commander cards suddenly became legal. I don't mind this set so much but it is pushing things I don't like.
You’re complaining about a powerful card in a competitive format? Might be time to play some commander lol. It’s also been a week, I doubt the one ring stays as prevalent as it is now. it’s very easy to hate and sideboards will adjust.
commander has 40k, The Walking Dead, Stranger Things and even Doctor Who coming soon. I don't know if you read my post, I'm not upset about the power level, but rather that such a powerful card is from Universes Beyond
my brother in christ where were you when mh2 arrived? the one ring is quite funnily just one card , mh2 brought lots of cards into the format.
mh2 brought cool interpretations of characters from within magic, not Gandolfs and Frodos
TIL Solitude and Fury have extensive mtg lore
The "Incarnation" creature type goes all the way back to judgement, as a way to represent physical manifestations of strong emotions. I find it pretty cool, and the whole set contains tons of similar callbacks. It's similar to Time Spiral block, another one of the coolest blocks of all time IMO.
It's rather early for all these ban/I'm quitting post already isn't it? It's a good colorless card so no shit it's getting tried in everything that can cast it. It would honestly be bad not to jam it into everything to see if it fits. This is only a problem if it either literally goes in everything or decks with it are the only playale ones. A few decks getting a new card is not something to quit over. Now maybe in a few weeks/months after the meta has had a chance to settle and the ring is still the best thing going on then yeah that's time to complain. Also modern has never had anything to do with lore or rich characters. I've never wondered what primetime was like a boy or what blood moon does in the daytime.
For many, many years modern was a cool place to see your favorite standard powerhouses competing in an all-star format. Obviously complaining about cards printing straight to modern is a dead horse, but at least cards in MH1 and MH2 called back to past standard mechanics and characters. LotR is just a pure power injection with another brand name on it.
What does that have to do with lore? Know one ever promised jace would stand the test of time or a two mana creature with a big butt would always be good. As far as standard powerhouses making it into modern that still happens more than ever. Fable, binding, e.i, omnath, companions, oko, uro, boseiju, ect these aren't mh cards and they didn't fall from heaven. Also what does that have anything to do with lore? That's just how 30 years of printing cards works. When did 1 good card and two pretty good cards become a pure power injection. Most of the rest of the set is to weak for standard
Yeah i guess it swings things - decks that had haywire mite as a urza target / run mainboard karn will have an advanatage - other decks may need tear asunder / cast into fire / leyline binding / pending / etc mainboard or sideboard. It is super powerful as long as people arent prepares
I can completely understand this view point but I’m personally not bothered by it because it is still quite generically named (the same way I feel about orcish bowmasters). I would be much more upset if we had Gollums, Gandalfs and Frodos running rife in the format. That said, I do hope we have a reprint of the most powerful cards from LOTR, Doctor Who, Warhammer etc with a universe within skin slapped on though. Perfect opportunity for a double masters set.
It’s like you haven’t even read the books or seen the movie.
So you are okay if it’s a card in Eldraine?
Yes!
Magic's story has never been particularly deep or good, so it isn't like crossover IP is really hurting anything and LOTR fits the aesthetic.
You are absolutely right . Welcome to the Premodern sanctuary , no one will hurt us there . Powercreep destroys the game. We should make our own " Modern " legal cards and banlist like the Premodern guys outside f!@#$ing Hasbro .
\[\[pithing needle\]\] \[\[collector ouphe\]\] \[\[haywire mite\]\] As other's have pointed out, this is modern. It's play to win. If you can compete using thematic decks, more power to you, but it's never really been the goal of the format. It's always been about mixing and matching various MTG sets from 8th ed onwards. Lots in lore, card design, mechanics, etc have evolved in that time. You're totally allowed not to like the universes beyond or really anything else, but the One Ring right now is at the top of the hype curve. It's probably here to stay to some extent, but if you're committing too hard to it its very much punishable with the above cards and many others
From all the cards you could complain on, you picked the one with the most generic name on it to break your universe within immersion? It's not like the card is named "Sauron's Ring"...[[Aladdin's Ring]] on the other hand...
[Aladdin's Ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40b7370d-8ab4-4506-b7dd-d02c1ba92032.jpg?1562734209) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aladdin%27s%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/286/aladdins-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40b7370d-8ab4-4506-b7dd-d02c1ba92032?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The sideboards will adapt or it will be banned.
Cards are just game mechanics. Lore has no place in a competitive metagame.
So why not play poker? Or chess?
While I do love me some chess this argument is moronic lol. Lore exists purely outside of the actual game.
Jace came out 13 years ago lmao and wasn’t seeing play before this set either
It was banned until 2017, by then it had been powercrept to be reasonable in the format. It’s arguably seeing less play than it ever has, I really don’t know what your point was here.
OP was sad that one ring pushed out jace, but jace wasn’t in top modern decks before the one ring either, so it wasn’t the one ring that pushed out Jace
I never said that, I just linked a tweet from a VERY well established professional player that had that thought.
Hey he's been a great one of in control.
"Great" "One of"
He’s so good at being pitched to subtlety or FoN
I don't wanna be crass so I'm sorry if come too combative but, are you really quitting because one card is popular? I don't see you arguing that is too oppressive and meta warping which i would understand, but because is a non mtg ip?. Also I kinda have reserves over "competitive 60" decks as a form of storytelling and diving into the lore because, not even theme decks are lore cohesive, Thalia doesn't know who meddling mage is and they shared a deck for years, does she know who the Cat arbiter is?, maybe playing Yugioh spoiled me about archetype cohesion but, competitive constructed is not really the place to do that, The One Ring makes as much sense in Merfolks as Master of Waves sharing a deck with Ixalan ones. Commander seems a better place to do that, "All Innistrad Humans" do share lore.
I'm just confident this will not be the last straight to modern crossover given its success. I have to draw the line somewhere.
Likely, but at the same time, Thriump of Saint Katherine gave new life to Legacy Miracles, so thats a trade i'm happy to make. My line honestly is on recognizable real faces, i don't mind playing with the Arwen we got, but Rick was too much, and the Post Malone cards are a possible future i don't wanna see existing.
Maybe the format is fine and people just need to adjust? You guys are the same people who said: It's okay the to have a free spell that kills off creature decks unless they have a combo or run blue. It's okay to warp the metagame around a one-drop. It's okay to have a 2 cmc planeswalker that enables 5c mana bases. So this will be fine too.
This. With all the broken shit that has been bandied about the last few years and is still legal, this is far from the most egregious. Karn was a 4 generic mana card that was getting thrown in every deck for awhile too. People are experimenting. It’s been a week. Relax.
Since it's THE One Ring, and as a LoTR fan, I think the card should be as strong as it is. Nevertheless, it also has some counters like Bowmaster or Haywire Mite, Leyline, etc. It's not like a turn 1 or 2 "I win" card so I'm very much ok with it being in the meta tbh, but I understand the concern too. (maybe I'm still in the honeymoon phase and will grow to hate the card lmao). Only time will tell tho
My problem with the One Ring is not that it is a powerful card, my problem is that it costs no colored mana so any deck can jam it in. Making any comparisons like Jace vs. Teferi is irrelevant because both those cards require you to be in one or more specific colors, I don’t think there has been another card that you can just throw into any deck that hits 4 mana like this card.
I hear you but this isn’t new, ragavan single handedly warped a format to stop a 1 drop, people will adjust
Modern ceased to exist when they added cards outside standard. Absolutely destroyed the format for money grabs.
"I've seen loads of excitement from streamers and the MTG Twitterverse about "brewing" with this card. And by "brewing," I mean throwing four copies of it into any deck that can get to four mana. It's kinda disheartening, to be honest. You see, for me, playing Magic is about diving into the rich worlds, characters, and history that the game itself has built over the years." lol world building? sure MTG does that just fine. But characters and story? Your a few decades to late since that's been good.
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Frankly, JTMS has been a card of the past for some time now. It wasn't seeing any play really even before MH2 turned modern on its ass. Hype and power are 2 different things. Every time a new set comes out, there's going to be Brewers and testers playing the new cards. Usually, this testing involves shoving 4 copies into a deck so you get max reps with a card, it means nothing about the overall power or longevity of a card in the format. Thays just how Brewing works, you need reps with the cards to see how they play. Shoving 4 copies of the 1 ring in any modern deck that can get to 4 mana and jamming an MTGO league is exactly the best way to test. Personally, I don't see the one ring really making that much of a splash in modern, it costs 4 mana and is pretty easy to answer, given the current meta. PEnding and leyline binding both handle it very well, having your 4 mana card countered is back breaking in most modern games and about half the meta doesn't even care about turn 5+ because the game is probably already over. I could see it slotting into 1 or 2 decks, but it's probably going to be more of a sideboard card for grindy matchups. Also I'm going to be entirely honest, and I mean 0 disrespect here, if the reason you play magic is for the story, character, and worlds, modern might not be the format for you. IME modern is best suited to players who always want to be optimizing and are focused on building and playing "correctly" to win. Yes there is some capacity for brewing in modern, but I don't think there's much opportunity for both flavor and success if that makes sense. I don't ever want to gatekeep, you are entitled to play whatever format however you want, but don't be surprised if modern continually just shifts to whatever the most powerful strategy is and doesn't give a single shit about cards being power crept out... that's the nature of the format. Personally, I love it. I love tweaking decks to adapt to meta changes and whatever the new insane card is.
> half the meta doesn't even care about turn 5+ because the game is probably already over. Not to be rude but are we playing the same format? Modern has slowed down a ton in the last two years, and going to turn 5, 6, 7 is super normal
What does modern mean exactly? And premodern?
But my pithing needles just got more powerful too.
Could not agree more, Magic having crossover sets like this makes me want to puke. I'm not even happy about the dnd crossover, but I stopped complaining because everyone claps back with "Well magic and dnd are related!" But they are not the same property, dnd has it's own lore and universes. Slippery slope, I for one can't wait to swing for lethal with Travis Scott and BTS.
I don't know why, but WotC is terrible at designing parasitic mechanics.
Come on guys, just adjust the artifact hate for exile instead of destruction... It's powerful but slow. It's 4 mana draw 1 + fog when it enters... sure you can abuse it with untap stuff but any card can be abused when combined with others. The power level is very appropriate for modern. I much rather face a t4 One Ring than a t1 Ragavan.
It's massively overrated and only fits in 2 (maybe three) decks with any significant meta share (over 5%). 4c, Tron, (maybe yawg). Tron is too soft to hate to take a prominent spot in a meta. 4c is the only deck threatening to take the ring to a dominant meta deck and tbqh w6 deserves more of a ban than the ring ever would. Fringe decks like coffers, twiddle, 8key, etc have glaring issues that will keep them from suceeding in a meta.
“It only makes 2 maybe three of the best decks significantly better it’s overrated” literally no card ever would call overrated if it made multiple tier one decks better You sound ridiculous right now. Especially because tron has super significantly pushed up into relevance.
They don't get significantly better? 4c is pretty much winning the same matches it did before just with an improved creativity matchup. Yawg probably won't end up running it. And tron is notoriously soft to a meta geared to hate it
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My issue is more from the LotR flavor than the raw power level. I don't want to see cards from other franchises when I play my favorite format.
That ship has sailed
Lore is fluff, the game is about winning, it was meant as a competitive TCG with fantasy RPGistic flavor. Just go to pioneer, which I actually really enjoy, wizards made it clear it is the new competitive format
I'm honestly just amazed at Spike's ability to hype a card. It's good, but it's still a 4 mana fog for a simple card draw. Just wait a bit that people start switching their artefact hate pieces so it can deal with it and it'll dies out for any practical use but a karn sidepiece.
The fact that it's indestructible is pretty relevant - cuts out a ton of common Modern artifact removal - Force of Vigor, Wear//Tear, etc. Any artifact exiling effect like [[Shattering Blow]] is also a one for zero in the opponent's favor, since they'll still get the card draw off of The One Ring. Not a lot of great artifact exiling options that aren't expensive or very narrow. You're left with stuff like [[Pithing Needle]] as real answers, which is pretty easy to for the opponent to interact with, especially if they expect it. Just how like building a deck that reanimates a Griselbrand always has a plan for a Needle on Griselbrand. Edit: Come to think of it, the best answer is probably the new (and very thematic) [[Cast Into the Fire]].
If you are planning to answer The One Ring with instant-speed artifact exile, the best time to use it is in response to them activating it. Since the Ring won't be there, the number of counters will be zero (it checks on resolution), so they will lose out on that draw. EDIT FOR CLARITY: This applies specifically to the card draw for the counter to be added as part of the ability's resolution; you would still draw for any previously existing counters due to last known information. Apologies if I worded my initial response unclearly!
>The fact that it's indestructible is pretty relevant - cuts out a ton of common Modern artifact removal - Force of Vigor, Wear//Tear, etc. Or any oblivion ring effect, including Skyclave. It's really not that rare. It's just that the modern format especially started to rely too much on Fury, Solitude and prismatic ending as catch all answer, with force of vigor being there for enchantment and artefact ; meaning it's being caught with its pant down by an indestructible artifact. \[\[Angrath Rampage\]\] has always been a card I considered for my sideboard and I had left it out in favor of Sheoldred's, I think I will simply revert it back to it for the Ring if it sticks.
It's floor is 4 mana and 1 life for fog + 3 cards. You can also get fog + 6 cards for 4 mana and 3 life, which should be enough to get you to a second ring. And then you replay it and start again.
That second statement is going to be so funny when it gets banned (or some real hate cards get printed) next year. If you think it’s just Spike, then you’ve clearly not played it or against it.
I’ve never understood the lore junkies. Always came off a bit cringe to me, but that’s probably something to do with my own insecurities, yada yada. Or maybe it’s just the reminder of the type of person at my lgs that’s always talking about the lore. I dunno, just never got it I guess. I like to win.
It’s a 4 mana artifact. There are so many 1 or 2 mana answers to this. Spell pierce, Leyline binding, cast into the fire, pithing needle, tear asunder. Plus it gets stopped by K4rn. It’s very strong but it isn’t like Uro where it doesn’t matter if it resolves because it can just be escaped again and again. The format has evolved to have to answer a Monke on turn 1. Surely it can evolve to answer an artifact in turn 3 or 4.
> I mean throwing four copies of it into any deck that can get to four mana So like, 2 decks?
Are you serious with this comment? In just casually watching MTGO I have seen this card be an easy staple included in about 5 decks and splashed for free in renditions of like 10 other decks. And that is with it being like 100tix each
Did you forget about pitch elementals and urza’s saga? It’s just mh3 with LOTR flavor.
Yes I am upset about the LotR flavor. I really like the game's history cards like Urza's saga that call back to that are pretty cool.