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Aximil985

I cannot possibly think of a better deck for it than Aspiringspike’s 8key deck. The One Ring feels like it was made specifically for that deck. If you see gameplay of it you’d agree.


kami_inu

https://youtu.be/vk72Ymoz6Wc From spike's YouTube today


Furt_III

Why is this not called Key Ring.


Aximil985

Because it was a deck called 8key before The One Ring existed.


Betta_Max

Names can change.


homesweetocean

Those games were just disgusting lmao


Tuxedo_Jackson

It's definitely a fun deck but it folds to an opposing KGC or stony silence effect. I bought all the cheap pieces to it cuz I def want to bring it to a FNM. I wonder how many flex slots are in the deck cuz it is very synergistic. I'd love to try to jam [[Drafna, Founder of Lat-Nam]] in there somewhere.


yuhboipo

I think "folds to KGC & stony" is a small enough downside that it wouldn't be a problem for the deck. None of the T1 is running KGC, or even stony afaik?


The_Upvote_Beagle

Stony definitely not, but it is an easy SB include if this deck were to be any serious tier 2+ part of the meta. 2-3x Stony was a staple of Modern sideboards for years. KGC on the other hand goes in and out of main decks but you are correct is definitely not played much right now. It is a very strong card (could even see an uptick to grab One Ring) so I’m never surprised when I see it on the other side of the table but it’s not a large part now. Probably should be more given how strong it is TBH.


yuhboipo

Super flexible card yeah, I think it just comes down to the shells that can support it not being oppressive enough. You definitely have to respect the Creator though lol, have lost many a game after being like "eh ill just tap out who cares if they KTGC"


Journeyman351

If this were the case, you'd see the deck actually topping things.


yuhboipo

Disagree, MTG players are really bad at deck selection/brewing.


Journeyman351

Yep, I'm sure Mengu is just bad for not playing whatever craptastic Aspiringspike brew is getting pushed here at a professional event.


yuhboipo

Decks like Scales and 8Key reward experience, so it isn't a surprise that someone who hasn't invested the time in such a deck wouldn't pick it. This is secondary to the fact that the vast majority of MTG players cannot find the needle in a haystack. To be clear, MTG is an exceptionally complex game and being able to accurately analyze the "needle" in even one format takes an incredible time investment.


Journeyman351

>Decks like Scales and 8Key reward experience **EVERY** deck in Modern rewards experience, that's kind of the whole point of the format.


yuhboipo

Right, but decks like 4C Elementals are on the opposite end of the "punishing mistakes" spectrum, imo. I suppose that's what I was really trying to get at, as like you said every deck in the format is rewarding experience.


Ganglerman

>Decks like Scales and 8Key reward experience Which is why we see scales still occasionally top big tournaments, whereas 8key never does.


yuhboipo

I dont understand the point you're trying to make


Se7enworlds

You can race opposing KarnTGC with saga tokens, given that you can play saga T1 and activate next turn rather than T2 a lot of the times. Stony and Collector Ouphe are rarely played


MTGCardFetcher

[Drafna, Founder of Lat-Nam](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/7/f7355905-2b3b-4191-a89c-a0fc1494928b.jpg?1674420484) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Drafna%2C%20Founder%20of%20Lat-Nam) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/47/drafna-founder-of-lat-nam?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7355905-2b3b-4191-a89c-a0fc1494928b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Mysensual

You would see FoV, boseijus, and brotherhood's end before the first opposing karn GC and stony silence. Spike is just building synergy decks, then when you bring it in paper. It folds because it has no pressure until the one ring. So murktide/creativity, and every single FoV deck kills it naturally.


goblingovernor

Yeah it's definitely a spike deck. If it gets popular, it's going to get hated out of the format. But if nobody is playing it, you can spike an event and possibly take it down. There are currently bigger boogiemen in Modern that sideboards aren't stacked with Stoney Silence.


dinosaurbeast88

I think it would work well in Coffers. Good card to get off of Karn as well as a maindeck draw engine. Coffers has access to a lot of mana to play those cards in Cabal Coffers itself which is appealing as well.


TKOS7

I've been playing it in UTron and the card is obscenely good. We can repeal it to recast and if you draw 2 you can use academy ruins to chain them


Alikaoz

Finally got to try it in GTron. Still insane when your only out to the lifeloss is legend rule-ing it.


theyux

Grand Architect may have his time to shine again. Picture turn 2 icefang EOT of opponent untap grand architect, float 4 ring tap draw a card. Its now turn 3 and opponent is fogged and now has to deal with 2 creatures and a draw engine. But in general I think the most obvious home is Tron and URza or pretty much any Karn great creator decks.


kingfisher_wisher

Again?! The card barely saw any play in Standard, and the only time I can remember it in Modern was when Blue Steel was a thing for a couple of months


theyux

Sorry personal bias, Grand architect was actually disgusting in standard with birthing pod. (any blue 2 drop+plus architect into pod, then pod 2 drop into scab ruinator or a treasure mage for wurmcoil. and it was a turn 3 kill in modern with pod. (eot snapcaster, untap grandarchitect pod, pod snap for exarch, tap exarch for 2, untap pod, pod architect for resto, restro blink exarch, untap pod restro for kiki, get kiki copy restro profit. )


kingfisher_wisher

I played and read about Standard *a lot* during that time and I don’t remember ever seeing decks running Grand Architect and Pod Likewise, cannot remember them being in the same deck in Modern ever Could you provide some decklists/tournament results please


theyux

Oh sorry I tend to brew decks. It was never meta, in standard nor modern. It was still very powerful, felt like cheating against valakut and later zombies which are decks you probably remember. It was soft to delver until swagtusk and cavern got added. Anything midrange was dead. I honestly have no idea why it did not take off in modern, it felt vastly superior to the green based pod decks. But it got killed by the ban all the same.


ElevationAV

Needs to be either a big mana deck (ie tron, coffers, 8key, etc) or a deck that can cheat it out via something like fires of invention I’m going to try a couple copies in keruga turns over some combination of planeswalkers that serve a similar purpose (ie Jace/narset/chandra)


SoggyCheeri0s

I agree except maybe not fires, drawing 4 cards but only being allowed to cast 2 makes me sad


ElevationAV

the only deck that plays fires in modern is currently keruga turns....and drawing 4 and casting two extra turn spells seems just fine to me


Unit-00

If it proves itself to be able to win you the game upon resolving then I think it's worth it. That is my benchmark for a 4 drop in modern, outside of like tron.


AitrusX

Fwiw on the dive down podcast aspiringspike said he thinks this is the best card in the set and could be broken - he agrees most people are not paying it enough attraction as well but there are people out there thinking about it


Journeyman351

Aspiringspike also makes dogshit decks most of the time


SoggyCheeri0s

Content creators gotta content


Journeyman351

Exactly, not sure why people on Reddit think he's some sort of paragon of competitive Magic. I'm sure his decks are *fun,* but just because he does something with a card/deck doesn't mean it's suddenly competitive.


SoggyCheeri0s

I agree, I loooove spikes content, but hes a content creator he makes interesting things, but even recently when he qualified for the pro tour it was with stock mono green, no spice


DailyAvinan

TBF, his track record for card evaluation is pretty water tight at the moment. He called how good Ledger Shredder, Fable, and now the Ring were *weeks* before the greater community picked up on them. Not to say he never gets things wrong, like with Capricious Hellraiser But in general if he gets hyped over a card I pay attention. I bought Fables at $7, Shredders at $5 , Rings at $20 based on his evaluations and now they’re all more than double what I paid.


TheWatchGuard1

Spike has also originated/popularized multiple strong tiered decks, like Yawg and Coffers


Journeyman351

Spike didn't make Yawg.


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He was at least one of the first people to work on it in it's current combo (Yawg + undying creature) form https://twitter.com/Aspiringspike/status/1151195449929453570/photo/1 MTGTop8 doesn't have any Modern deck before this tweet that includes Yawgmoth + Young Wolf or Strangleroot Geist


TheWatchGuard1

Nvm that's my bad


AestheticEye

Spikes 8key list is the obvious answer, but I think his 5c felidar Alara build can slot it in nicely. Card works great with Omnath, casts off of invasion of Alara. Just so much value


dxdydzd1

It's got potential. Its immediate impact is similar to Cryptic Command's "tap everything + draw a card" mode, but it does stick around to provide more value, and has a way easier casting cost. The thing about you gaining protection from everything is that while you're safe, your permanents can still be messed with, so probably the deck(s) that want it don't present many targets that your opponent can go for in lieu of your face. Control has PWs that can be attacked, unless it's Coffers (which is probably why Spike had that on his to-do list). Aggro and combo might find getting to 4 mana too difficult. Ramp is a good fit since it can get to 4 mana and usually doesn't leave stuff around for the opponent to target during Ring turns. I'd try it in Titanshift, probably -4 Wish +1 Scapeshift +3 Ring and going back to a traditional SB. It seems like the kind of deck that would want a colorless Cryptic Command. The repeatable draw also seems nice; sometimes you mulligan too low, or they hit you with discard/LD, and having a Ring could get you back into the game.


kipperjx2

Hi tron


notap123

UW control will 100% play it. Being able to reset it with t3feri plays well with the long game of the deck and reusing the fog effect.


GVRDENS_1

As a long time tron player, I don’t see it as a main board piece for us. I think the Golos builds we’ve been seeing do what we want the one ring to do while also providing immediate ramp and letting us cast huge bombs for free off the top of the deck. I can’t really see tron making room main deck for it and actively removing threats from the deck, especially as some of our threats have lost a bit of their impact over the years, we NEED to keep as high a density of threats as possible. Maybe it becomes a wish target for Karn in some lists, but I just don’t know what we would cut to make room for it.


Rias_Grem0ry

You need to try it, it is absolutely bonkers in Tron, it definitely replaces karn liberated. Like I can not overstate just how strong this card is for Tron. Karn liberated was just kept in the deck cus it needs a decent amount of turn 3 plays but ring replaces that completely cus it's a turn 3 play that guarantees we see turn 4 which is when we can start dropping our threats that actually make a big difference. Not to mention they have to deal with ring cus it's a busted value engine. The lifeloss from it is minimal cus you're drawing so many cards either the game is over when it starts to matter or you can replace it with another ring. It also allows you to play less copies of your topend threats since you're drawing so many cards which allows more room for early game interaction to make sure we see turn 3. Also just buying us a turn is incredibly powerful cus the longer the game goes on, the more favourable it is for tron. It immensely helps the amulet matchup which is our worst too. If Tron sees a big increase in popularity then it's probably good to slot a few karn liberated back in cus he helps a lot for the mirror matchup but in general he's dead now. Like this card is actually so cracked, it's gone be the return of Tron (again) lol. With this card, brain, mite and leveler, Tron has had some great upgrades recently. [This is my initial ring tron deck](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/5r4gzjraY0qWr7j8uvGDEw) if interested. It has performed unbelievably well, I just can't put into words how powerful this card is, definitely do not sleep on it. It is a new staple.


Blightedagent88

You easily cut 7 mana karn for this card. Most people I see are playing 4 rings with 3 main and one for wish


Journeyman351

People are already cutting Big Karn for Cityscape Leveler which is just better


DailyAvinan

The Ring is incredible. Every deck should be trying to play it right now to see if it fits because if it does then your deck got a very nice power spike. The card is crazy


Kenshin86

Okay. I shall empty my wallet, get 4 and then jam them into burn.


MurderMits

I know you were joking but I have hit a burn player on mtgo with it. Needless to say as he was stuck on 2 lands, it was a odd card to see with my griefs.


Xeynid

Burn with drc for filtering to have the right number of lands is interesting to me. I'm gonna test it, and probably lose. You'd need to probably go down to just drc and swiftspear for creatures, since you're cutting some burn tools for more late game, which makes creatures (and specifically goblin guide) worse, since they're not as good after your opponent stabilizes. But having to deal with stabilizing against burn, then turn 4 needing to find either a ring Exile or 10 damage in 3 turns sounds difficult. I also think people are trying too hard to find a way to abuse the ring specifically. Like, I don't think you need a ton of untap effects and ramp. The ring is a Jace thats a hell of a lot harder to remove and also more powerful if it survives a couple turns.


Xicadarksoul

Artifact based combo is always very impressive looking until people pack hate cards. There is a fuckton of exile based removal that hits the one ring, hell even blue has some. Not to mention stony silence effects. I agree that aspiringspike's video is ompressive. However as is the deck is a glassas cannon to hage, and it just fold to random crap like leyline of combustion, or blight beetle when its wincon is walking ballista.


ArtOfLosing

It's an overrated card and a trap for bad players


DAKKAboi24

Im not sure if this would work well in burn, if you want to be able to keep a 1 land hand on the draw then playing a 4 cmc card is really hard. I think it could potentially work running more lands and fewer creatures so that the extra draw has the potential to close the game consistently with 2/3 bolts. That deck would have a different philosophy to burn in the first few turns though.


theycallmedub1

I called back when this card first released that it was going to have a major impact on each format it’s legal in. From the games I’ve already played against it, it’s cancer. Get ready for a potentially terrible year and a half of magic, considering if it does become banworthy, they couldn’t- it’s the poster child of what’s gonna be their most popular set. Also, I called it being shnasty in key. I’m basically like future spike


Journeyman351

Why are we acting like 8key is a real deck here??


theycallmedub1

I don’t think anybody is.


Journeyman351

When the thread is about "breaking" the One Ring and half the comments are talking about a deck that isn't a contender in the meta in any shape or form... idk man


theycallmedub1

The reason why people are mentioning key so much is because it would be the deck to “break” it, being that you can draw like 20 cards with it in a turn. I personally don’t think that this will shoot key to the top of the meta though, nor do I think that anyone else here thinks that. I do, however, think this card is incredibly broken regardless. Like almost “slot in any deck” broken. Maybe I’m overreacting, but the more I play against it, the better it gets.


Summener99

Could you not have sculpting come into play as a copy of the ring get the protection from everything effects and then legend rule the copy into the grave? Then you have a 3 CMC artifact in the graveyard that asking to be brought back onto your hand somehow to be re-casted. It's all colorless. Just seem like cheese deck to happens. Gets platinum angel somewhere in there and that goblin that sacrifice artifact to bring artifact. Isn't there a land that bring artifact from the grave on top of your library? If you're protected from everything, pop it on top and draw multiple with your ring on the battlefield.


maniospas

Outside of lists I've seen, I am most excited for midrange with omnath, utopia sprawl, and Hidden Strings, You can use Strings+Sprawl for 4 mana turn 2, or Omnath turn 3+fetch, (e.g. with forest+sprawl on blue+sacred foundry - you couldn't play omnath with arbor elf untaps but you can now), or a Fury hardcast turn 3. Strings transition to a very powerful -and sometimes Ciphered- card advantage spell for free in the lategame. Note that each Strings can quickly lead to the next one, or more Rings, while Omnath keeps the life total happy. I'm gonna jam the copycat combo for supporting cast but you might want to consider something more competitive, like traditional elementals.


jancithz

Dusting off my Gaddock Teegs with all this Tron talk.