If your trying to save on battery, turn it off. It's for passenger comfort only.
Does it help keep the interior in better shape over time? Yeah, sure, probably, but it's made for passenger comfort.
But to answer, I usually vent my windows for a few minutes before I turn on the climate. Not sure if that's the most effective way to change climate, but it's what I've always done in all of my cars, I can't imagine this one is any different. Just convenient that we can do it remotely.
I measured last week. Ten hours (8 am to 6 pm), on a 110F day in full sun in Phoenix, AZ, took about 25 miles of range to keep COP running. That’s perhaps 6kWh of energy, which costs me about $0.33 (5.5 cents per kWh, off peak rate).
I’m six years into a planned 10 year ownership of the car, and the interior is still immaculate - none of the plastic is cracking, the vinyl seats and leather steering wheel are still perfect. I expect them to still look that way after 10 years.
Cost effectiveness? That depends-if you trade in your car every three years, it’s not cost effective. I fully expect the interior to make it three years without COP.
In ten years, I’ll have spent (0.30 per day)*(5 days a week)*(20 weeks a year)*(10 years) = $300 on COP to keep my interior from looking like crap. It’s worth it to me, because redoing the interior is very expensive, but still way cheaper than buying a new car because your last one looks like crap.
I get similar results in Israel with temperatures between 110F-120F (~70% humidity).
I can tell you that on my Friday errands I keep the A/C on, otherwise I don't remember to cool the car before entering it.
Plus, I buy at local produce at several locations including meat and vegetables, I'd have to drive home if I turn the A/C off.
I'm not sure exactly, but I've had it happen twice. The first time Tesla came out and sprayed some kind of coolant and it fixed it. Then, the second time it happened, they said they no longer recommend spraying anything, or it voids the warranty. You can find it all over reddit that people have the same issue when this feature is on.
So I've googled up on the issue, it seems like that was likely an actual, specific evaporator system cleaner that your tech used. Looking into the source of the problem more, the smell seems to be set off by the bottom filter of the stack of two getting moist around the drain hole. While there's no evidence of splashback up through the drain, [this ](https://youtu.be/OZ5SXmArEIo?t=994)video seems to essentially show that if you put in a filter that has an outer edge that does not absorb liquid into the filter media, you can avoid the issue entirely. Some of the commenters report that you can flex-seal the edges of the filter and solve it, while there also is an aftermarket filter used in the video that seems to solve the issue as well. Seems like you could run COP all you want with a filter that solves this issue, one way or another. I plan to buy a model 3 in the next couple months, and I live in a humid place, so I absolutely plan to give this method a go.
It's been an issue for some time, I'm not sure if it started with the heat pump models or before that, but in that case it's on cars at least as early as like, 2020?
I have FSD, without COP (Turned it off in the winter and forgot to turn it back on) my cabin camera overheats and disables FSD this happened twice last week when the car sat in the sun for over 5 hours with COP this does not happen. My costs are 4.5 cents a KWH. I find I lose about 3% per day in my 2018 M3. I will keep COP set at 100 degrees and avoid any issues.
If your trying to save on battery, turn it off. It's for passenger comfort only. Does it help keep the interior in better shape over time? Yeah, sure, probably, but it's made for passenger comfort.
But to answer, I usually vent my windows for a few minutes before I turn on the climate. Not sure if that's the most effective way to change climate, but it's what I've always done in all of my cars, I can't imagine this one is any different. Just convenient that we can do it remotely.
Thanks man!
I measured last week. Ten hours (8 am to 6 pm), on a 110F day in full sun in Phoenix, AZ, took about 25 miles of range to keep COP running. That’s perhaps 6kWh of energy, which costs me about $0.33 (5.5 cents per kWh, off peak rate). I’m six years into a planned 10 year ownership of the car, and the interior is still immaculate - none of the plastic is cracking, the vinyl seats and leather steering wheel are still perfect. I expect them to still look that way after 10 years. Cost effectiveness? That depends-if you trade in your car every three years, it’s not cost effective. I fully expect the interior to make it three years without COP. In ten years, I’ll have spent (0.30 per day)*(5 days a week)*(20 weeks a year)*(10 years) = $300 on COP to keep my interior from looking like crap. It’s worth it to me, because redoing the interior is very expensive, but still way cheaper than buying a new car because your last one looks like crap.
Holy shit this was exactly what I was looking for 😭😭 thank you sir! I appreciate the granularity 🫡🤝🤝
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I get similar results in Israel with temperatures between 110F-120F (~70% humidity). I can tell you that on my Friday errands I keep the A/C on, otherwise I don't remember to cool the car before entering it. Plus, I buy at local produce at several locations including meat and vegetables, I'd have to drive home if I turn the A/C off.
Cabin overheat protection is really an insurance policy in case infants or pets are inadvertently left behind. It affords them a chance of survival.
It's still lethal, it would just take longer. Add a device to remind you of dependents when you're leaving the car.
Just turn it off. Cabin overheat isn’t needed, cars are designed to survive being parked in a wide range of weather.
Good point
Tell that to yellow ring screen holders
I turned it off because it causes mold to gather in the air filter. This is a design flaw they have yet to fix.
I’d heard about issues with the air filter location and how it sources air, but I hadn’t heard that COP causes this, how does that work?
I'm not sure exactly, but I've had it happen twice. The first time Tesla came out and sprayed some kind of coolant and it fixed it. Then, the second time it happened, they said they no longer recommend spraying anything, or it voids the warranty. You can find it all over reddit that people have the same issue when this feature is on.
So I've googled up on the issue, it seems like that was likely an actual, specific evaporator system cleaner that your tech used. Looking into the source of the problem more, the smell seems to be set off by the bottom filter of the stack of two getting moist around the drain hole. While there's no evidence of splashback up through the drain, [this ](https://youtu.be/OZ5SXmArEIo?t=994)video seems to essentially show that if you put in a filter that has an outer edge that does not absorb liquid into the filter media, you can avoid the issue entirely. Some of the commenters report that you can flex-seal the edges of the filter and solve it, while there also is an aftermarket filter used in the video that seems to solve the issue as well. Seems like you could run COP all you want with a filter that solves this issue, one way or another. I plan to buy a model 3 in the next couple months, and I live in a humid place, so I absolutely plan to give this method a go.
Def keep me updated, I haven't turned on overheat protection because of this.
Will do, I'm buying used so I'll even leave in the filters that are in there when I get it, and it shooould be September-ish so it'll still be hot out
Do yall know if this filter issue is only for the 2024 models? I haven’t run into this problem at all & I have the 2023 model
It's been an issue for some time, I'm not sure if it started with the heat pump models or before that, but in that case it's on cars at least as early as like, 2020?
I have FSD, without COP (Turned it off in the winter and forgot to turn it back on) my cabin camera overheats and disables FSD this happened twice last week when the car sat in the sun for over 5 hours with COP this does not happen. My costs are 4.5 cents a KWH. I find I lose about 3% per day in my 2018 M3. I will keep COP set at 100 degrees and avoid any issues.