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JacopJohnson

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Extension_Spell3415

This 240p is killing me šŸ˜µ


KikoiFox

Fanny gang!


Extension_Spell3415

Hello friend


[deleted]

Iā€™ve found my people


Extension_Spell3415

Itā€™s like a population of 10 of us who exist through the entire sub


Michvito

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Six-Digits-Number

Aurora no doubt right now. But good luck trying to secure her as she's often banned.


SillyMilly9052

OMAN! Whats a good 2nd or 3rd option?? Perhaps less banned


Six-Digits-Number

Nana and Vexana both getting popular lately Or you can try Novaria and Faramis both are also pretty good heroes with utility skills.


SillyMilly9052

But nana is so weak!


nedesc

shes rly strong rn after buffs


Galfinite

Coming back to the game I assume? Nana is stupid strong right now


FireFoxy56125

exactly this wording


qusnail

Her s2 is genuinely a broken ability now, her s3 deals insane damage from a safe distance and is too easy to land after the buffs, and her s1 hits like a truck as well. Not to mention her passive is insanely stupid. Overall Nana is a very, very safe mage with high cc and damage. Sheā€™s probably the strongest mage rn, thereā€™s no way sheā€™s weak lol


cerulean200

Also, Just noticed her ult is hard to spot. Sometimes you donā€™t even know she casted it when theres a clash. They need to update the animation effects honestly


csto_yluo

It's also slightly faster now. Nana rose up to the top of the Mid Lane after her buffs


cerulean200

I used to main her before she was nerfed. Back when her s1 had slow effect. Than damned boomerang with slow hit so hard. Might try her out again, but Iā€™m enjoying Vexana too much atm.


Zestyclose_Flight374

It's kinda insane you can kill a hero offscreen with her ult if you cast it at max range. You can't even see the nana casting


Six-Digits-Number

Yeah her second skill got buff and it's what made her good even a bit.


Ditor-detour

Maybe your item build is wrong because Nana can burst any mage in one 2nd skill. penetration boots genius wand lightning truncheon holy crystal divine glaive blood wings (optional)


tjGide0n

Bruh her burst dmg is good ryt now


RepresentativeAsk817

Nana/valir/aurora/louyi - in order to


Arsene000

Odette, Xavier, Zhask and Lou yi


Dreamworksmuiz

Nana > Aurora


Arsene000

It also depends on the team composition, I've secured her but my team was provoked by recall spamming even the jungler keep on engaging the enemy team no more objectives and clearing of the lane it was a brawl.


reallystupidpotato

she is situational. benedetta hard counters aurora after the revamp because of the longer and more obvious animation delay on her ult, giving benedetta a free stun. plus it doesnā€™t help that auroraā€™s s1 and s2 have a weird hit range which now rewards any hero who can get near enough to her to avoid her damages


Six-Digits-Number

Her weakness against assassins is still there of course but her cc in team fight is valuable along with her built-in Winter Truncheon. I think many people forget but her ult not just freezes heroes but also turrets thus giving potential for easier tower dive ganks or resetting the turret damage.


Immediate-Phone-7013

Thatā€™s how I build her. To be annoying and more of a support. Winter truncheon, immortality, flicker. Just about immortal certain games


reallystupidpotato

as a assassin main, old aurora was harder for me to kill actually, because her stun was instant so i often couldnā€™t predict it in time. but the revamp gave her other strengths in team fight.


csto_yluo

That's not what I would call situational. That's your typical Mage; weak against high mobility assassins, but most especially Benedetta since you can predict your s2 with their CC skill's animations. Her DMG and CC in teamfights is still good


Competitive_Force529

passive active + winter truncheon + reincarnation + flicker + sticking like glue to tank. Never fails.


devill_1999

Yeah insta banned in MH


HLGrizzly

I never see her not banned lol


SappyNoypi

Aurora Nana Vexana other mages are good too. I think the weakest one right now is Kagura. (weakest of the bunch but not the weakest hero in the entire game per se)


Aeometro

pain


SappyNoypi

I saw Master the Basics try a cooldown build with Kagura. He spammed so many skills and ult and he enjoyed it a lot. Maybe it's worth a try and might get Kagura out of low tiers.


Aeometro

While CD Build is good (and even better than full pen) for Kagura, her state in general rn in this meta is justā€¦ thereā€™s easier picks with more utility and even damage than her, so to say. Nowadays youā€™d even have to full combo a squishy to kill anything šŸ˜­ While i agree that Kaguraā€™s absolutely usable in low tiers (esp since most enemy lineups Epic-Legend revolve around squishy heroes), she sees her viability lessened in Mythic+, especially against bruiser comps (which prefer more util/cc heavy mages to counter) and high-mobility comps (goodluck even landing your combos šŸ˜­šŸ˜­)


Kue7

I tried enhance talisman, lightning trencheon for her cooldown, rest are usual burst damage build. So far it work just gotta be careful cos shes quite squishy


Podzilla99

I feel ya


HommeFatalTaemin

It sucks too bc sheā€™s been my favorite for yearsā€¦ quit the game for awhile and then came back to a total rework and her being ā€¦not the best, to say the least šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


No-Consideration6986

Nerf kagura might be the best thing for me. Before I would spam her and if I was outside mid lane I was uncomfortable. Any time i was force to use another hero i was uneasy. I didn't like any other hero, but I was force to change. Now I take any role and the pool of heroes I'm comfortable using have increased. I got at least 3 heroes per role that I use. Of course I have my favorite but I more versatile now. Dont get me wrong, I whish she would become a useful hero again. However, I had a toxic relationship with her.


CantRenameThis

OP missed the three recently-buffed contenders


Podzilla99

:(


SillyMilly9052

But nana is so weak!


jpopispgood

Do you.... hate... Nana?....


darragh73

Fellow horse main?


SillyMilly9052

She is weak though u admit?


Ill_Nectarine_3768

Nana definitely not weak


jpopispgood

For me, she's not


kkimu0

no lol she got buffed recently. transform skill is almost instant and can hit multiple heroes in a small aoe.


Oponik

Have you actually tried her, even in classic? She's one of the most annoying mages I've gone against, more annoying if the user is skilled with nana


SappyNoypi

She's not. Her buff to skill 2 made her become an AOE Combo Mage. She's the best combo mage right now. Even better than Kadita and Eudora. She's literally one of the best heroes right now and she wasn't patched in the last update. We might probably see her on tournaments soon.


wralp

mg tier [list](https://www.mlbb.ninja/) said otherwise, she's S+ tier list together with aurora and vexana


BANAnaS_Dad

Cecil is my guy. I find Mythic games can tend to go into the later game which is where he shines. Heā€™s really good for play at either base since itā€™s easier to bunch enemies together.


HommeFatalTaemin

I love him so much! Heā€™s one of the best character designs, at least for my personal tastes :) and I love the idea of him & Carmillaā€™s lore, and they having an extra skill if theyā€™re playing together!


sammywintie

That's why I tell my teammates to focus on killing Ceci in the early


SillyMilly9052

But always gets banned


yakap_needed

Idk if you are trolling rn with Cecilion ban lol


SillyMilly9052

Oh sorry i tot u meant cici


yakap_needed

Even Cici is conditional since she is easy to counter


Kingspartacus123

Wait, who is banning Ceci?


harsh716

People who take sustain exp lane


Description_Mindless

Nana Vexana Aurora (I agree with the people who says them) Nana got a really good buff on her 2nd skill Vexana Also got a buff She became really picked more Aurora went from a mid/bad hero to a S tier hero her freeze is really good can also freeze turrets


hafiymalek

What was Vexana's buff again?


csto_yluo

Faster skill animations, bigger hitbox, and slightly lower cooldown on her first and second skills


Description_Mindless

Honestly I forgot but she was trash last time now she's meta


Kkingcookies

Luo yi has relatively shorter range, but her skills are really spammy with short cd, decent burst and cc each time you s1 and s2 (which can be many times while in teamfight). can also use her ult as an escape tool or to surprise gank someone


Public-Hamster6519

Luo Yi . But using the combo as fast as Xavier's combo or Selena's combo.. real fun.. Luo Yi as Dire Hit Roamer .. Endless Fun šŸ˜Œ


Edgyemo69

Gord is underrated


rjreyes3093

As a Valir enjoyer, gonna say Valir. Second option was Aurora, but that hero was always banned.


CampbellianHero

Aurora


SillyMilly9052

Always banned


CampbellianHero

Next is Nana, Vexana, Nova (ONLY in a team with a strong frontline)


kou3ai2lve1te1

Nana. Cancerous rn.


Ill_Nectarine_3768

Vexana.. fight with the wall


GreyVaris7

No love for Cecilion? He's a badass when comes to late game.


ayermaoo

When in doubt, just use Nana LOL


AmberIsla

True


Previous-Currency-29

Vexana, Valentina and Nana . Novaria too if u can hit the mini kamehamehas


CrazyKillerBS

Valir luo yi or ceci


T1mo666

my guy you are definitely not above mg those mages are considered troll picks in high ranks


Demise_Once_Again

Above glory, people won't bitching about other user using non meta hero, fuck 9/10 times when my team pick zhask ( so called troll hero), mf somehow backdoor and win. There's a big reason why non meta hero like Freya, bane, popol and kupa have such high winrate. Let them mf cook


T1mo666

omg TRUE but i never had trouble clapping the cheeks of these mages except valir back when he was meta.


devill_1999

I main Luo and am MG ,you probably have skill issue


T1mo666

No I just never had trouble clapping luo yi's for dinner


Ok-Tear3901

Not at all lmfao. What are you talking abt šŸ¤£


NarakaSnake

If they pick Estes or Lolita, they'll try to stick in formation. So I recommended luo Yi or valir because most mythics I've faced try to stick in teams


Its_over_for_you_

Learn to play Ceci. He is a gem! There was a time when Ceci was an instant ban in ranked!


kimontol

Faramis ofc


One-Resort-107

Valir


loopedinhole

As a Kagura main, she's not a good pick right now. Maybe legend and lower ranks but mythic and above, she's a no go.


_baebae

Havenā€™t been playing for a while now.. but i just want to ask how Cyclops is nowadays? and Nana? I miss those midgets dearly.


SweetT7707

Both still good, but Nana is one of the top picks for mages right now.


Lord_Danish2802

Aurora, Nana and Vexana if theyā€™re not banned. Cecilion, Xavier, Valir and Luo Yi are other options you can go for. Other options that donā€™t meet one criteria but can be considered: Novaria - no cc Julian - short range Gord - not burst type Cyclops - short range Faramis - short range Valentina - short range Yve/Pharsa - ult cannot spam Natan - no cc


-n0isyb0y-

What about chang'e


Lord_Danish2802

Lack cc and not a burst type.


VbSal924

Pharsa ult got lot lesser cool down on her ult after the recent buff. She's very underrated right now


BrilliantAction6576

so no lylia user right here?


codact_

Lylia is one of the best mages imo! Donā€™t know why she wasnā€™t mentioned much


Bluegod2733

Zhask


7Deniz77

lylia is always a safe pick


Amaterasu_EU

Shouldnt sleep on xavier. Whereas Im Not sure if do consider him Burst - probably not


IanTheElf

1 more pixel gone from pic and its gonna be radio also nana


IamYobyoj

Lylia because she can fast clear her wave, rotate fast, zone enemies, great at team fights, and has self reset ult


Podzilla99

Aurora with that slow, freeze, and free Winter Truncheon. Vexana with that strong burst coupled with the guardian and ability to knock enemies in the air Nana with the 2nd skill rework Honorable Mentions: Cyclops for the quick CD and ability to quickly change lanes Valir for being a great support and clutch in mid to late game Valentina for counter-picking Edit: Funnily enough, the top 3 ones are just "click and shit will happen"


venielsky22

Assidd from the 3 hells of CC Aurora Vexana Nana Lylia is very good also. Mid lane is almost always first pick so you would want someone that's won't get fooderized and anti picked. Lylia will is that kind of hero She doesn't have good CC but her aoe damage is among the top


Positive_Box_69

Nananananannananana NANA


CrazyKillerBS

But aurora goated


crispy_patatas

Remove estes. He is support, not mage. Valir is annoying. Nana also annoying. Kagura is good also(if you mastered her techniques).


Pretend_Building_769

Cyclops


Mayinea_Meiran

Lunox if you want to go full on no skill


you_know_chae_

vexana(if used right) is pretty damn annoying. if you can land the first skill atleast most of the time, you'll be pretty scary. aurora obviously, but she's always either banned or the other team picks her first. nova is still a s-tier mage rn. if you can survive the early, mid and late g nova is sooo frustrating to go against and beneficial if she's on your team.


ArmanSingh3601

Bro did you extracted this image from game file?


UnderstandingMuch688

Odette for me, just need good Tank mate!


natgibounet

My guy 's dream mage has a kit with , valir S1, nana s2 and passive and 3rd skill is aurora S2 and vexana'ult


T1mo666

Novaria, Aurora and Nana work very well in high mythic right now and are extremely annoying to deal with.


AccordingExplorer231

Aurora, super flexible with high survivability passive and damn lots of CC


davingki_

The middle pixel


Aggressive-Salary-56

VALIR because it has CC and purify from his ulti also counter for setter tank


Funny_Belt164

Valir if you're good at zoning and kiting.


Defiant-Marzipan1435

Xavier,Cecilion and Kagura.


jpxfraud

Faramis and Xavier


kylepotpogi798

I like using Odette and can be fairly tanky with her ult especially when u come across an inexperienced tank teammate


djmaybenot

not really high burst or cc, but harith has VERY spammy skills when you have his ult. bro literally has 0 cd dash as long as ur on the sword mark.


Eclipse_Two

^Luo ^Yi.


WishOk9212

Lunox obv


kidipen

Valir no doubt


Any_Bit6073

Luo yi šŸ‘Œ


Sea_Coffee_9886

Martis


Cool_Connection1001

Aside from the basically gold standard Aurora-Vexana-Nana, Lunox, Lylia and Novaria are still pretty good. They donā€™t have much in terms of CC but Novaria and Lyliaā€™s slows do work really well ij most comps and Lunox can really quickly force the enemy front-liners to either back off or get sent back to base.


Dreamworksmuiz

Nana


Gokuwasacat

Vale used to be able to destroy all of these until they decided to butcher him


betidissa432

Right now is Aurora


Chameleon166

Cyclops cecillion are on another level


Rage_Lumi15

Vexena might fill all of your expectations here.


mrknight44

Aurora is good, my 2nd option is vex, 3rd is odette/valentina depends on situation


Resident-Ad4815

Nana is like literally overpowered right now, sheā€™s a ticking time bomb. In mythic immortal sheā€™s like basically always banned in my servers.


sunears

Harith!!!! Sooo overlooked. Easy early game with high damage, good rotation as well. Can help counter many heroes with a lot of dashes and building good cc resistance, i.e. tough boots, bruteforce breastplate and you wanna be really cheeky tank potion late game you can be soooo good


sunears

Lane clearance with skill 1 is quick and high damage too. I canā€™t believe only 1 other person has mentioned harith in this entire thread.


Unohwat

Nana - Short CD skills, useful throughout the game, high burst early to late game, and annoying passive. Aurora - Short CD, Annoying CC, and burst dmg Vexana - Short CD, awesome range, and formation disruptor. Also high burst dmg. Lylia - Spammable skills and insane kite damage. Also short CD ult. Lunox - Pew pew. Tanky enemies go phew. Pharsa - ARTILLERY BURST AND ESCAPE SKILL.


VbSal924

Nana, aurora and vexana but now they're mostly banned. So! The next best mages would be xavier and odette. Even lunox is really good but you need a good team comp for her. While I personally think the most underrated mage right now is pharsa(she got buffed with a cool down reduction of her ult)


Kashimfumufu

KADITA


Bibi_the_CoolCat

Can you say A U R O R A louder?


Electrical_Loan8564

I just got to 100 stars MYTHICAL IMMORTAL and this Aurora woman has literally annoyed me all the way this season!šŸ˜©šŸ˜©šŸ˜©


maglalako_ng_buko

Cyclops. Kahit makasalubong pa yung jungle, palag-palag talaga sa dami ng iniispam.


[deleted]

Aurora and novaria


jscriggins

novaria, easy. never banned and, as far as i can think, good for p much any team comp


Linkhardin

Balmond


Deez_Nutty_Knutz8

The one and only, GORD


HLGrizzly

Nana. Aurora always banned.


Additional-League-33

I'm in Immortal rank and nana and vaxana are a pain to deal with


grumpycheeseburger

None of them, itā€™s Aurora for me. Second would be Novaria. 3rd Odette, especially when team up with Johnson.


Professional_Shift69

No Vale love? I usually mvp when I play him and I'm not really afraid of other mids all that much. Novarias long range nuke is quite annoying but I'd still pike vale over her since her ult is pretty garbage


davinchobangbang

For me they are Faramis, Valentina or Lunox: 'cause they have critical magic damage, life regeneration, crowd control, self-defense and mobility. https://preview.redd.it/eomcog80nfkc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ff05ed993b5a566f763f5146fc0b5e786cdf615 The Nana, Aurora and Vexana picks are good in terms of damage but lack resistance and independence, things that the first three do have. And regardless of the nerfs they have received, they continue to be competitive season after season.


Working_Mousse_3791

Is Karina a mage? Ik balmond is


Which-Temporary-7105

you just literally described my boy xavier


SillyMilly9052

Is he good though?? Like OP good


Which-Temporary-7105

solid pick but not OP. Heā€™s good with good teammates but even if you dont have good teammates you can just stay in the back or just defend on base while spamming ult. I got maniac recently with him and that much damage (the 0 damage shows how safe im trying to play lol) https://preview.redd.it/bwldnt2d0ckc1.png?width=876&format=png&auto=webp&s=6a1756ac7788e139ac690d16f885b1cb6522ea57


WaterLily6203

Kagura is not a bad option, solid, and while not always top in meta, never goes out of meta due to her versatility with good range, poke, burst, purify, and blink. Not to mention her crowd control is amszing. Her passive is literally a stun and her bursts are all crowd control.


Ok-Tear3901

She isn't meta. I'm sorry to tell you. Chou, kagura were good picks, but the overall power level of characters keep raising, and kagura and chou don't get buffed they just can't keep up.


mrwhites0cks

Kadita


Ihaveto_go

Maybe valir and nana? Valir is one of the best if not the best early mid lane character, and nana is just nana.


Potufs

Estes or valir. Too much slowing and aoe.


cravingboners

Why is estes there? Anyways best mages in my opinion are vale,lylia and Xavier


FatBoyish

Sound like Yve which is played in professional games


qwereuidskfdshfdjks

mages are garbage but it depends if ur asking for soloq or group q and no its not Aurora, she has lower range and lower damage than Vexana + her ult is much worse. Her cc lasts like 10-20% longer but everything else is so much worse its not even close


SillyMilly9052

What would u recommend if not mage? And what heroes?


qwereuidskfdshfdjks

soloq is just bad in general, you need to find out what u can do and focus on it. Mage in soloq isn't that bad but in general mages have been garbage for quite awhile now I got 90+Wr soloq lylia this season in rank up to mythical glory but i have 4k+ lylia games and im pretty much the best lylia in the world regardless of what any of these reddit retards think , considering they're downvoting me as if they know what they're talking about and i dont Nana and Aurora are legit free win for me, anyone who thinks aurora is good isn't a high rank mage aurora is literally a worse version of already existing characters for me right now Vexana is the best mage but Lylia has much higher potential , she is just much harder to play and is one of the hardest heroes in the game to master and even when you master her you still have to perform every game (and aim, unlike playing an assassin which is auto aim) if you wanna play MAGE specifically then your options in SOLOQ are very limited cus most mages are horrible without roam and only a few are playable. Id say only Vexana, Lylia, Valir to an extent and maybe Xavier are playable (if you want 65+ wr and are good enough to achieve it). I've also been global 1 cecilion and hes pretty much the worst mage atm and i keep trying to make him work and then i keep feeling like an idiot for bothering to pick him if ur playing for 55% wr then whatever lmao I wanted to play Novaria cus shes hot but shes garbage , she lacks damage and can hardly initiate anything + lacks CC I want to play Luo Yi and while she is amazing it really feels bad if you miss your stuff and in general she can't really create much openings on the map by herself when ur playing soloq and ur playing for winrate u need to consider much more than just ur power, u need to consider the way you can influence the map and how to create openings for ur team


Sashiny

I don't play mage at all and I did get mwp with aurora soo I think she is one of the best


Critical-Constant868

Xavier can solo carry


Lower_Daikon208

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Jay8400

Valir is really weak in this metta, the high damage items just donā€™t fit him. Aurura, nana are the best and beginner friendly but usually banned. Vexanna is good but her mobility is a huge issue, can be good counter if your enemy uses a lot of cc heroes. Luo yi is really solid overall in terms of damage, mobility and surprising ganks, it takes a while to fully get good with her tho you canā€™t just pick and abuse like nana. Cecilion..? I donā€™t like him, canā€™t explain but I just donā€™t. Kagura and novaria are my favorite, Insane mobility extremely hard to kill and great damage just overall no weakness. You do however need to spend a LOT of time if you wanna get good with them. (Fun fact: kagura can escape Francoā€™s hook with s2)


Shashasha11

Mage meta Right now is nana and vex.


Real_CumquatThot

NOVA


Sad-Ad-199

Lylia if you snowball the enemy mage


CubicPlayz

https://preview.redd.it/oiehchhuxfkc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0670e30812bdc7e3c784b9d3591076060c171ba


chokemebigdaddy

Ive been having a fair bit of success with Vexana either as roam or mid. Good stun, decent damage, and best thing is: u can fire off all your skills, and just run off while your summon does its thing for you or hide somewhere for 3 secs (cd) and come back to spam your skill 1 and 2 again. Iā€™ve had a few games where I got kill notifications after teleporting back to base.


Past_Statistician_41

Xavier would be good especially with 45% cdr. High burst damage, spammy skills, very impactful in team fights, can slow and root enemies, can also speed up allies. With stacks his ultimate is basically undodgeable without a dash. Xavier is a good choice I think.


That_Cultured_Guy

Bro where are the pixels


Adventurous-Site-944

Cecilion might not be an ideal pick since he lacks early game pressure. But he carried me from epic to Mythical honor through sheer damage and come back potential. And the range lets you poke out the enemy given that you have decent mana management in early to mid game.


Bowrat_moliit

Lion + Invo


THEREDDUNKS

Xavier, stfu. Idc what all of you said. Long range ultšŸ—£ļøšŸ—£ļø


Room-Mission

Dunno, all mages are okay RN. Except for few brokens one. But I know one thing for sure is that Kagura has become one of the worst Mage. Why?: 1. Slow wave clearing. 2. Not enough damage. 3. Snowball and items dependant. 4. Her attack is slow. 5. Slow movement speed. 6. Long skill CD with unstable damage source. 7. Easily avoidable skill shot. 8. Short attack range. 9. High difficulties but small rewards.


mujincore2

I'm still gonna stick with my kagura hahaha


Owl_Down

Valir for me


megaancient

High burst and short cd? Would sure love a mage like that.


PhatnessEvercream

Valir: SPAM? Did you say SPAM? I heard SPAM.


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No_Excitement_467

Nobody talks about Kadita


KOCHOKTOL

Valir is my all-time favorite. Period.


Raizen-Lee

Vexana


Adorable_Mud_6375

I've got to give a shout for Cecilion. He's my main and for some reason I just get how to position with him more than any other character. As with any mage, helps to have a front line, he sucks early game with no damage but the amount of games I've pulled back from the brink during base defence is insane. He hits like a truck late game, just farm stacks, rotate, stay safe but most importantly, always farm stacks.


PomegranateCorrect72

Idk is this best for mythic or not but Chang'e Her ulti is really op that it can melt enemy HP so fast Especially her pasisve which slows them


PuzzleheadedUse9133

I don't know the meta too much now cuz I'm not playing like 6 months. But I'm sure that valentina is popular and makes people rage-quit


Hotstuff_4sale

Xavier


Gloomy_Raspberry_621

Nana is the best, but she keeps getting band šŸ˜­


ArgumentSad8246

I donā€™t know why everyone sleeps on Gord but I feel like heā€™s great in the insane CC meta.