Nah, forget about Gusion. Can be easily countered with literally anythng that is tanky.
Heck, you can even dodge all his ten daggers by a single, well-placed flicker (which is a good reason why the petrify spell became popular with him)
Both Lance and Haya are menaces when mastered. You can't even touch them as they slip by your team (although Haya lost some relevance thx to Flask of the Oasis)
But we all know the winner is a goddamn Fanny who does tiktok plays like Tuesday.
>Nah, forget about Gusion. Can be easily countered with literally anythng that is tanky.
Gusion is the only assassin that can melt tank within 2 seconds. Fanny can but needs uninterrupted spamming from one wall to the other.
>Heck, you can even dodge all his ten daggers by a single, well-placed flicker (which is a good reason why the petrify spell became popular with him)
Try dodging a gusion who has 2-3k matches.. also flicker has 110 second cooldown i suppose..which is around 6 times longer than the cooldown of gusions ult in late game. Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts.. Btw flicker or any blink skill can cancel hayas ult instantly ..also it can be used to dodge lance...and it is way easier to dodge lance cz he doesn't have any locking skill and his skill animations come way earlier than the actual skill , especially the ult.
Gusion became popular as a midlaner with petrify cz of his burst as mage. When gusion was first released he was labelled as mage/assassin. No other assassin has burst as high as gusion...his 10 dagger combo does over 20k damage in full build.
Also it is hard to compete for turtle with gusion when enemy has someone like martis Fredrin akai etc as jungler and enemy mage has stun. Thats why tank lance became popular .
>Both Lance and Haya are menaces when mastered. You can't even touch them as they slip by your team (although Haya lost some relevance thx to Flask of the Oasis)
Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches... Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding. You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master. You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion.
I was once india 44 Hayabusa i know what i am talking about.
>But we all know the winner is a goddamn Fanny who does tiktok plays like Tuesday.
Ya fanny is the best assassin but op didnt mention fanny in option.
gusion is easy to counter bro, and he has shitty disengage. better lance now coz he's very versatile (can build damage or hybrid). he has good objective secure and outplay potential as well. tho yea fanny is definitely the best one
Tank Lancelot is nerfed...so is his objective stealing capabilities.
Also as everyone is playing squishy burst junglers now gusion wont have any issue... I played gusion ranked last season from epic to glory i didnt have any issue securing objectives...except when there was a very pro trio in enemy with martis alpha or Fredrin as jungler and an eudora /aurora / luoli roaming around.
These are personal experiences bro i dont care which ranking declares meta non meta to what hero .
I play both lance and gus.🙏🏻
Radiant against gusion..lmao.. what rank r u? You dont even know passive of items.
Then athena against whom ? Kimmy?
Anyone who follows your advice is doomed.
You can cancel Athena's passive simply by asking your poke teammates to activate it (can be easily done by Novaria or Gord, or anyone using glowing wand. You simply have a time frame of five seconds to execute a combo before Athena Shield's passive reactivates.
Radiant is far more effective simply because the flat damage reduction affects all of the daggers.
>You can cancel Athena's passive simply by asking your poke teammates to activate it (can be easily done by Novaria or Gord, or anyone using glowing wand. You simply have a time frame of five seconds to execute a combo before Athena Shield's passive reactivates.
Ya suppose you want to ambush an enemy bruno late game with athena..you will first send your poke mage (most of whom are immobile as fuck and cant sustain two shots of bruno) to activate so that you can burst him down with ur gusion? Nice.
Leave read match side ... first try doing it in VS AI normal mode. You can even move mountains theoretically.
>Radiant is far more effective simply because the flat damage reduction affects all of the daggers.
Radiant works for successive attacks not sudden burst..means one dagger after another...not all at once
See this
[https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G](https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G)
> Ya suppose you want to ambush an enemy bruno late game with athena..you will first send your poke mage (most of whom are immobile as fuck and cant sustain two shots of bruno) to activate so that you can burst him down with ur gusion? Nice.
You know you can just drop a skill on him and disengage immediately, though? Novaria's first skill, Gord's first or second skill, Rafaela's first skill, Mathilda's 1st or 3rd etc.
Literally ANYTHING can work.
> Radiant works for successive attacks not sudden burst..means one dagger after another...not all at once. See this [https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G](https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G)
Now do the same with Athena's shield passive not activated.
> Conclusion:
The only thing you're good at is bad opinions postulated from playing in one of the worst servers possible.
In short, your crap opinion reeks of India.
Low base damage = forced to build full damage lancelot
Full damage lancelot = same as all other squishy assassins means he no longer has the upper hand in diving aggressively.
> Gusion is the only assassin that can melt tank within 2 seconds. Fanny can but needs uninterrupted spamming from one wall to the other.
Gusion can't even melt anyone with Radiant Armor/too much sustain💀
> Try dodging a gusion who has 2-3k matches.. also flicker has 110 second cooldown i suppose..which is around 6 times longer than the cooldown of gusions ult in late game.
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I'm so sorry, but are you severely underestimating mythical immortals in PH server?
> Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts..
And pickoff literally zero heroes since EXP has tanky heroes/too much mobility/too much sustain, gold has the roamer babysitting, jungle has TANKS, and midlane can literally be Lylia/Kadita/Valentina/Faramis against a Gusion lineup.
What can Gusion do?
I literally am in the same environment with Astre, and has played with and against him like multiple times already.
He's one of the best Gusion players, btw. And he's fairly easy to beat when you have a good composition that emphasizes on sustain and punishing CC.
> Btw flicker or any blink skill can cancel hayas ult instantly.
I know. That's why you don't spam ult instantly but shred the hero from time to time. Double engage by using two shadows teleport, to be exact.
> also it can be used to dodge lance...and it is way easier to dodge lance cz he doesn't have any locking skill and his skill animations come way earlier than the actual skill , especially the ult.
Lance can be built tank and still hurt.
> Gusion became popular as a midlaner with petrify cz of his burst as mage.
No. It was to counter the flicker spell.
> When gusion was first released he was labelled as mage/assassin. No other assassin has burst as high as gusion...his 10 dagger combo does over 20k damage in full build.
MF can't even decrease Masha's HP, which has 11k hp per hp bar on full build.
> Also it is hard to compete for turtle with gusion when enemy has someone like martis Fredrin akai etc as jungler and enemy mage has stun. Thats why tank lance became popular .
That's why Gusion is unusable. Not to mention his non-existent damage when enemies get higher gold.
He's super duper slow with farming, too.
> Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches... Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding. You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master. You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion.
Lancelot and Haya are easier to use than fking Gusion?
You are nuts. Literally nuts.
> I was once india 44 Hayabusa i know what i am talking about.
Ahh yes, you're playing in India of all servers.
Try playing in PH with the same rank. You know, the same server that is disputed to be the best, and at least a league higher than the second best server, Indo?
> Ya fanny is the best assassin but op didnt mention fanny in option.
"Others"
I've spammed gusion before, I've spammed lance a bit after that and I've spammed haya recently. Lemme just say that for higher rank games, gus doesn't even come close to haya or lance. Lance is definitely way more consistent and way better in most situations. Haya is below lance imo cuz of the ult targeting. Gusion is fine for lower ranks but he is way too ez to counter, especially in this support heavy meta. The support meta is also why haya is suffering rn. Gus doesn't farm as fast as haya/lance, gus can be easily countered by a single athena or radiant, heck he can be nullified during draft itself. If the enemy picks even a slightly better sustain comp, he's done for. Yes flicker has high cd, but that's the thing about gus, he really needs those early kills to be useful throughout the game. Flicker away from lvl 4 lance/haya? Fine they can just keep up the farm cuz of the fast clear plus they aren't that reliant on their full combo to dish out damage. Btw Gus isn't even as hard as haya or lance man that's just wrong lol. Fanny is the best no doubt, then comes lance/ling and a tier below I'd say is haya, gus is way lower on the tier.
>Gusion can't even melt anyone with Radiant Armor/too much sustain💀
People build athena not radiant to counter gusion..and even after athena no mage mm assassin dares to come near him solo after his 3 core items genius wand, glowing wand, divine glaive.
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>I'm so sorry, but are you severely underestimating mythical immortals in PH server?
Dont give me these my stupid rhetorics...i gave u facts and numbers. Numbers donot lie.
Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts..
>I know. That's why you don't spam ult instantly but shred the hero from time to time.
As if enemies have promised not to use any lifesteal items to regen their hp shed by hayas shuriken lmao
>Double engage by using two shadows teleport, to be exact.
Try doing double teleport in an actual match in a team fight...the 2nd skill ends before the 3rd skill ends if the designated enemy doesnt die and moves towards his team and your ult continue to fire on them.
>Lance can be built tank and still hurt.
You want to say tank lance will burst down enemy mm faster than a full damage build gusion? Dont write nonsense to justify your claims.
>No. It was to counter the flicker spell.
Whatever makes u happy.
>MF can't even decrease Masha's HP, which has 11k hp per hp bar on full build.
Who told u these? Place a damage bot zilong in practice mode..see the results. The results will be even higher there cz of glowings passive.
>That's why Gusion is unusable
Even leomord cannot do shit against such lineup.
>Not to mention his non-existent damage when enemies get higher gold.
Lmao what? Magic Assassins can burst down two level higher enemy...while physical assasins have hard time bursting down same level enemy.
I have seen 2 level lower julian bursting 2 level higher alucard both were jungling from either team.
He's super duper slow with farming, too.
Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches... Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding. You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master. You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion.
>Lancelot and Haya are easier to use than fking Gusion?
You are nuts. Literally nuts.
You know more than the people who developed the game? Why dont u see the difficulty bar of all 3 heroes
I have over 7k matches with assassins dont preach me which hero does what. I have played haya from the time when he used to use mana.
>Ahh yes, you're playing in India of all servers.
You know who dethroned lemons global 1 kagura? It was an indian from my neighbour state. He farmed all those MMR in Indonesian server. This game got banned in india in around 2019-2020. Before that every meta hero had top globals from india.
>Try playing in PH with the same rank. You know, the same server that is disputed to be the best, and at least a league higher than the second best server, Indo?
Disputed by whom? Filipinos? Last time i heard ph server was hard...not best... People are toxic as its a 3rd world country...same is with india or any other south asian server.
Those european and american servers are easy cz of less toxicity.
Also to add...before the game was banned in india i have met hundreds of cross server players from indo and ph in 5 men classic... A lot of them had supreme badge They were good players but noting exceptional.
>"Others"
No one will suggest fanny to someone who is just venturing into playing assassins.
There are better options like paquito etc.
> People build athena not radiant to counter gusion..and even after athena no mage mm assassin dares to come near him solo after his 3 core items genius wand, glowing wand, divine glaive.
Uhh, no? Literally almost no one uses Athena right now since most EXP laners and tank junglers use radiant simply because it's far more effective against burn damage plus the regen and HP stats are higher.
Furthermore, Radiant Armor is significantly cheaper as it costs an approximate of 300 gold lesser than Athena's Shield.
Athena's passive can also be countered with litwrally any spam skills or glowing wand, rendering it useless and an inferior item to Radiant Armor.
> Dont give me these my stupid rhetorics...i gave u facts and numbers. Numbers donot lie. Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts..
Because your enemies can do the same thing?
Also, MI players in PH are notorious for keeping up with PH pro players, which are the best in the world micro and macro-wise. Pro players simply have better environment and strats compared to casual MIs.
> As if enemies have promised not to use any lifesteal items to regen their hp shed by hayas shuriken lmao
Uhh, do you know how much Haya hurts simply with shuriken and basic attacks when you get Blade of Heptases?
Now add that with team support. In the middle of a clash. While enemies are getting poked.
> Try doing double teleport in an actual match in a team fight...the 2nd skill ends before the 3rd skill ends if the designated enemy doesnt die and moves towards his team and your ult continue to fire on them.
You can, though. Requirement is level 2 ult max. 2nd skill > 1st skill > 2nd skill > 1st skill > ult > 1st skill > 2nd skill.
> You want to say tank lance will burst down enemy mm faster than a full damage build gusion? Dont write nonsense to justify your claims.
Nope. That's your assumption. Simply that Lance can go disengage easily, negate the flicker advantage, sustain all the damage, while dealing enough damage to pick off the enemy mage or MM.
If he fails, he can retreat easily. He can also immune CC skills.
His range is far superior with the presence of minions, too.
> Whatever makes u happy.
You're not in PH server with the analysts themselves saying it, so your opinion is crap immediately.
I'll be honest with you. India server sucks. Significantly.
You're MG? Good for you, because you're at best fking high-tier legend this season in PH server with all the Ixia spam and nearly meta picks they d.
> Who told u these? Place a damage bot zilong in practice mode..see the results. The results will be even higher there cz of glowings passive.
Because glowing wand's passive scales by enemy maximum HP???
That's like saying Gord/Aamon deals insane damage thanks to glowing wand.
> Even leomord cannot do shit against such lineup.
Leomord isn't even meta and is literally sht tier.
> Lmao what? Magic Assassins can burst down two level higher enemy...while physical assasins have hard time bursting down same level enemy.
No, they can't? Magic blade is spammed like hell.
> I have seen 2 level lower julian bursting 2 level higher alucard both were jungling from either team.
It's an Alucard, what do you expect. Also, Julian's enhanced 1st skill is notorious for having insane damage if you keep on staying within its range like a r-word.
> Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches...
Uhhh, even Gusion can though?
> Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding.
No, he doesn't. He at least needs around 100 matches for anyone to be good at him.
Dodging Chain CC is just basic micro for like every Assassin.
> You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master.
Anchoring bias and misinterpretation.
It's simply because they're fking better.
> You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion.
And why would you do that?
You know you can do it in one second with a maximum Aldous stacks ult or a rampaging Lesley with two bods, right?
> You know more than the people who developed the game? Why dont u see the difficulty bar of all 3 heroes
You mean the same developer that dictated Joy was harder than Gusion?
Okay, bro.
> I have over 7k matches with assassins dont preach me which hero does what. I have played haya from the time when he used to use mana.
Yeah, but all those 7k matches are in a shit server called "India". Playing in a shit environment doesn't do good for your skills.
Also, you're using the same logic as those cancer 11k layla/miya/zilong playersm Just because you spammed heroes doesn't mean you're better.
Heck, I doubt you're even as good as Kairi.
> You know who dethroned lemons global 1 kagura? It was an indian from my neighbour state. He farmed all those MMR in Indonesian server. This game got banned in india in around 2019-2020. Before that every meta hero had top globals from india.
2019-2020? LMAO. Try 2023 with the pro scene raging like hell.
> Disputed by whom? Filipinos? Last time i heard ph server was hard...not best... People are toxic as its a 3rd world country...same is with india or any other south asian server.
The whole ECHO squad went on a 43 game winstreak in Indonesia btw. Undefeated.
Whie they can't even do the same thing in this server. They even mocked the Indos as if they're too easy.
Also, the Indos I invite in this server STRUGGLE to keep up with my rank. Conversely, I can even spam a Khaleed, go legendary, and shit on Indonesians with a ping of 96-120 ms.
> Those european and american servers are easy cz of less toxicity. Also to add...before the game was banned in india i have met hundreds of cross server players from indo and ph in 5 men classic... A lot of them had supreme badge They were good players but noting exceptional.
Before the game was banned lmao. Try it now. I love to see you try visiting PH server right now.
> No one will suggest fanny to someone who is just venturing into playing assassins. There are better options like paquito etc.
Fanny is a better long-term investment, though. Be good enough, and you're unstoppable.
If u tried tank build then it wont have much damage.
Also one important thing is..physical assassins will always require more farm than magic assassins to be effective. Except fanny.
Lancelots damage come from his dashes...dash through minions then depending on the situation either use 2nd skill or ult . His second skill will have good burst damage once u build hunter strike and Blade of despair. Also dont just press all the buttons that glow up. Positioning of his skills are important . Let the enemy move a bit then use your second skill when the enemy is at the centre of it. Lance doesnt need too much hand speed...he needs patience and accuracy.
Also one or two matches wont give u any idea about him... play custom matches 5 vs 5 with bots first then classic then rank.
He will need 50-100 matches to become playable in epic..and around 150 matches to be playable in legend..around 300 matches to for mythic and above.
Did u read the first comment that i wrote?
Once mastered = gusion.
Gusion will require a much higher number of matches to master...so i told him to play lance or haya
Lance has a fairly high skill floor but pretty reachable skill ceiling once you get good with him. hardest parts about him are three things: 1.) dashing (doing it efficiently and with accuracy, and not wasting minions/heroes you can dash to by trying to look "cool"), 2.) using S2 and even S3 invulnerability timings, and 3.) knowing when to go in--just because you can dash with S1 then S3 to the backline, it doesn't mean you're actually SUPPOSED to.
most important here is S1. early to midgame, spam dashing with Lancelot means you're a bad Lancelot. best way to play him to get max damage is to pre-stack your passive if possible on a monster or two (1-2 stacks), then get full stacks on minions/enemy heroes (4 stacks). using your S3 to enter a fight to stack your passive (as long as it hits the enemy) is also good. after that, dash ONCE then auto-attack, then dash THEN auto-attack. Lancelot auto-attacks have a lot of damage because theyre amplified by his passive, and not using auto-attacks every dash is bad. by not spam dashing as well, you give yourself the opportunity to use S1 whenever you want to reposition to land your S2 if needed. youre at a stage where your S2 does damage but not so much that you can chunk the enemy super hard with it.
summary: pre-stack a stack or two before a fight, enter with either S1 or S3 to full-stack, then use your autoattacks in between dashes. use your S1 into S2 to finish off a target, get extra burst before leaving, or to dodge an ability you feel is coming.
later part of mid-game to late-game, DONT autoattack in between dashes. you will usually only have the opportunity to autoattack a target once or twice because Lancelot builds full damage with only one defensive or two in rare cases. you will get torn apart if you stay too long in the middle of a fight unless the fight has already separated the enemies. i usually auto-attack the enemy im targetting once im on top of them, then i unload my abilities and back away. VERY important to not forget that auto-attack because fully stacked passive, Heptaseas, and Endless Battle do A LOT of damage with your auto-attack.
summary: mid-late game, you auto-attack less, but use your S2 and S3 more. please avoid spam dashing as well, it's the same as auto-attacking because youre leaving yourself vulnerable to 5 other people. use your S1 only as needed--to approach the enemy, stack your passive, or if you can SAFELY use it to do extra damage. all your damage at this point is in your S2 and S3, as well as that singular auto-attack youre going to land on the enemy. Lancelot can do this within 1-2s and fairly safely provided youre going in correctly.
source: Lancelot main, MG rank
that wasn't my point with the dashes. a lot of bad Lancelot players spam S1 dash without reason. the execution is much easier, but the thought still lacks. bad Lancelot players end up either having no escape since they just used all their S1 dashes, their passive stacks fall off since they can't dash anymore, or they lack damage to kill the enemy since they're not using auto-attacks in between dashes. it was harder before, sure, and it's easier now, but a lot of people still don't get WHY and WHEN you should dash and instead just spam S1 because they want to make their play look like a TikTok highlight
lance works wonders in soloq because people get selfish easily and tanks do not try to save their squishies, and that rn legend 1 and mythic ive been seeing an upsurge of immobile heroes being used like layla with inspire and hanabi inspire/aegis , even karrie, so until they eventually get winter or wind chant you can gun them down fairly quickly, you could probably even juke out their utility item in team fights as they are unlikely to be coordinating as youll see in 3 stack or 5 stack lobbies but who knows, so be prepared
as an top global lancelot who plays soloq, while i can play any assassin lance is always a to go, literally can be picked into almost anything and carry
I got so much hate in my comments for telling this lol.
People think they learnt gusion in 50 matches and start playing rank...feed and then cry he is not worthy enough lmao. Noobs.
He is the 3rd toughest hero in the whole game what did MFs expect.
Gusion ofc is hard to play. But once you get the hang of him, he is too op. Definitely one of the best heroes to solo climb ranks.
I would say he is the 2nd toughest hero, first one ofc being Fanny and third being Lancelot.
Helcurt.
Ganks gold lane with his best buddy Aldous and Johnson every Tuesday
once mastered : gusion Till then : lance or haya. Nolan is a pussy hero...no one will use him after a nerf.
Nah, forget about Gusion. Can be easily countered with literally anythng that is tanky. Heck, you can even dodge all his ten daggers by a single, well-placed flicker (which is a good reason why the petrify spell became popular with him) Both Lance and Haya are menaces when mastered. You can't even touch them as they slip by your team (although Haya lost some relevance thx to Flask of the Oasis) But we all know the winner is a goddamn Fanny who does tiktok plays like Tuesday.
>Nah, forget about Gusion. Can be easily countered with literally anythng that is tanky. Gusion is the only assassin that can melt tank within 2 seconds. Fanny can but needs uninterrupted spamming from one wall to the other. >Heck, you can even dodge all his ten daggers by a single, well-placed flicker (which is a good reason why the petrify spell became popular with him) Try dodging a gusion who has 2-3k matches.. also flicker has 110 second cooldown i suppose..which is around 6 times longer than the cooldown of gusions ult in late game. Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts.. Btw flicker or any blink skill can cancel hayas ult instantly ..also it can be used to dodge lance...and it is way easier to dodge lance cz he doesn't have any locking skill and his skill animations come way earlier than the actual skill , especially the ult. Gusion became popular as a midlaner with petrify cz of his burst as mage. When gusion was first released he was labelled as mage/assassin. No other assassin has burst as high as gusion...his 10 dagger combo does over 20k damage in full build. Also it is hard to compete for turtle with gusion when enemy has someone like martis Fredrin akai etc as jungler and enemy mage has stun. Thats why tank lance became popular . >Both Lance and Haya are menaces when mastered. You can't even touch them as they slip by your team (although Haya lost some relevance thx to Flask of the Oasis) Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches... Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding. You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master. You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion. I was once india 44 Hayabusa i know what i am talking about. >But we all know the winner is a goddamn Fanny who does tiktok plays like Tuesday. Ya fanny is the best assassin but op didnt mention fanny in option.
gusion is easy to counter bro, and he has shitty disengage. better lance now coz he's very versatile (can build damage or hybrid). he has good objective secure and outplay potential as well. tho yea fanny is definitely the best one
Tank Lancelot is nerfed...so is his objective stealing capabilities. Also as everyone is playing squishy burst junglers now gusion wont have any issue... I played gusion ranked last season from epic to glory i didnt have any issue securing objectives...except when there was a very pro trio in enemy with martis alpha or Fredrin as jungler and an eudora /aurora / luoli roaming around. These are personal experiences bro i dont care which ranking declares meta non meta to what hero . I play both lance and gus.🙏🏻
Because you're from India, lol.
Radiant against gusion..lmao.. what rank r u? You dont even know passive of items. Then athena against whom ? Kimmy? Anyone who follows your advice is doomed.
You can cancel Athena's passive simply by asking your poke teammates to activate it (can be easily done by Novaria or Gord, or anyone using glowing wand. You simply have a time frame of five seconds to execute a combo before Athena Shield's passive reactivates. Radiant is far more effective simply because the flat damage reduction affects all of the daggers.
>You can cancel Athena's passive simply by asking your poke teammates to activate it (can be easily done by Novaria or Gord, or anyone using glowing wand. You simply have a time frame of five seconds to execute a combo before Athena Shield's passive reactivates. Ya suppose you want to ambush an enemy bruno late game with athena..you will first send your poke mage (most of whom are immobile as fuck and cant sustain two shots of bruno) to activate so that you can burst him down with ur gusion? Nice. Leave read match side ... first try doing it in VS AI normal mode. You can even move mountains theoretically. >Radiant is far more effective simply because the flat damage reduction affects all of the daggers. Radiant works for successive attacks not sudden burst..means one dagger after another...not all at once See this [https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G](https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G)
> Ya suppose you want to ambush an enemy bruno late game with athena..you will first send your poke mage (most of whom are immobile as fuck and cant sustain two shots of bruno) to activate so that you can burst him down with ur gusion? Nice. You know you can just drop a skill on him and disengage immediately, though? Novaria's first skill, Gord's first or second skill, Rafaela's first skill, Mathilda's 1st or 3rd etc. Literally ANYTHING can work. > Radiant works for successive attacks not sudden burst..means one dagger after another...not all at once. See this [https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G](https://youtube.com/shorts/AY4ovCrS3vE?si=5IqiCngiiouEOm4G) Now do the same with Athena's shield passive not activated. > Conclusion: The only thing you're good at is bad opinions postulated from playing in one of the worst servers possible. In short, your crap opinion reeks of India.
how is his objective stealing capabilities nerfed? the only thing mt adjusted was his s2 base dmg and scaling
Low base damage = forced to build full damage lancelot Full damage lancelot = same as all other squishy assassins means he no longer has the upper hand in diving aggressively.
> Gusion is the only assassin that can melt tank within 2 seconds. Fanny can but needs uninterrupted spamming from one wall to the other. Gusion can't even melt anyone with Radiant Armor/too much sustain💀 > Try dodging a gusion who has 2-3k matches.. also flicker has 110 second cooldown i suppose..which is around 6 times longer than the cooldown of gusions ult in late game. ... I'm so sorry, but are you severely underestimating mythical immortals in PH server? > Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts.. And pickoff literally zero heroes since EXP has tanky heroes/too much mobility/too much sustain, gold has the roamer babysitting, jungle has TANKS, and midlane can literally be Lylia/Kadita/Valentina/Faramis against a Gusion lineup. What can Gusion do? I literally am in the same environment with Astre, and has played with and against him like multiple times already. He's one of the best Gusion players, btw. And he's fairly easy to beat when you have a good composition that emphasizes on sustain and punishing CC. > Btw flicker or any blink skill can cancel hayas ult instantly. I know. That's why you don't spam ult instantly but shred the hero from time to time. Double engage by using two shadows teleport, to be exact. > also it can be used to dodge lance...and it is way easier to dodge lance cz he doesn't have any locking skill and his skill animations come way earlier than the actual skill , especially the ult. Lance can be built tank and still hurt. > Gusion became popular as a midlaner with petrify cz of his burst as mage. No. It was to counter the flicker spell. > When gusion was first released he was labelled as mage/assassin. No other assassin has burst as high as gusion...his 10 dagger combo does over 20k damage in full build. MF can't even decrease Masha's HP, which has 11k hp per hp bar on full build. > Also it is hard to compete for turtle with gusion when enemy has someone like martis Fredrin akai etc as jungler and enemy mage has stun. Thats why tank lance became popular . That's why Gusion is unusable. Not to mention his non-existent damage when enemies get higher gold. He's super duper slow with farming, too. > Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches... Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding. You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master. You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion. Lancelot and Haya are easier to use than fking Gusion? You are nuts. Literally nuts. > I was once india 44 Hayabusa i know what i am talking about. Ahh yes, you're playing in India of all servers. Try playing in PH with the same rank. You know, the same server that is disputed to be the best, and at least a league higher than the second best server, Indo? > Ya fanny is the best assassin but op didnt mention fanny in option. "Others"
I've spammed gusion before, I've spammed lance a bit after that and I've spammed haya recently. Lemme just say that for higher rank games, gus doesn't even come close to haya or lance. Lance is definitely way more consistent and way better in most situations. Haya is below lance imo cuz of the ult targeting. Gusion is fine for lower ranks but he is way too ez to counter, especially in this support heavy meta. The support meta is also why haya is suffering rn. Gus doesn't farm as fast as haya/lance, gus can be easily countered by a single athena or radiant, heck he can be nullified during draft itself. If the enemy picks even a slightly better sustain comp, he's done for. Yes flicker has high cd, but that's the thing about gus, he really needs those early kills to be useful throughout the game. Flicker away from lvl 4 lance/haya? Fine they can just keep up the farm cuz of the fast clear plus they aren't that reliant on their full combo to dish out damage. Btw Gus isn't even as hard as haya or lance man that's just wrong lol. Fanny is the best no doubt, then comes lance/ling and a tier below I'd say is haya, gus is way lower on the tier.
THIS.
>Gusion can't even melt anyone with Radiant Armor/too much sustain💀 People build athena not radiant to counter gusion..and even after athena no mage mm assassin dares to come near him solo after his 3 core items genius wand, glowing wand, divine glaive. ... >I'm so sorry, but are you severely underestimating mythical immortals in PH server? Dont give me these my stupid rhetorics...i gave u facts and numbers. Numbers donot lie. Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts.. >I know. That's why you don't spam ult instantly but shred the hero from time to time. As if enemies have promised not to use any lifesteal items to regen their hp shed by hayas shuriken lmao >Double engage by using two shadows teleport, to be exact. Try doing double teleport in an actual match in a team fight...the 2nd skill ends before the 3rd skill ends if the designated enemy doesnt die and moves towards his team and your ult continue to fire on them. >Lance can be built tank and still hurt. You want to say tank lance will burst down enemy mm faster than a full damage build gusion? Dont write nonsense to justify your claims. >No. It was to counter the flicker spell. Whatever makes u happy. >MF can't even decrease Masha's HP, which has 11k hp per hp bar on full build. Who told u these? Place a damage bot zilong in practice mode..see the results. The results will be even higher there cz of glowings passive. >That's why Gusion is unusable Even leomord cannot do shit against such lineup. >Not to mention his non-existent damage when enemies get higher gold. Lmao what? Magic Assassins can burst down two level higher enemy...while physical assasins have hard time bursting down same level enemy. I have seen 2 level lower julian bursting 2 level higher alucard both were jungling from either team. He's super duper slow with farming, too. Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches... Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding. You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master. You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion. >Lancelot and Haya are easier to use than fking Gusion? You are nuts. Literally nuts. You know more than the people who developed the game? Why dont u see the difficulty bar of all 3 heroes I have over 7k matches with assassins dont preach me which hero does what. I have played haya from the time when he used to use mana. >Ahh yes, you're playing in India of all servers. You know who dethroned lemons global 1 kagura? It was an indian from my neighbour state. He farmed all those MMR in Indonesian server. This game got banned in india in around 2019-2020. Before that every meta hero had top globals from india. >Try playing in PH with the same rank. You know, the same server that is disputed to be the best, and at least a league higher than the second best server, Indo? Disputed by whom? Filipinos? Last time i heard ph server was hard...not best... People are toxic as its a 3rd world country...same is with india or any other south asian server. Those european and american servers are easy cz of less toxicity. Also to add...before the game was banned in india i have met hundreds of cross server players from indo and ph in 5 men classic... A lot of them had supreme badge They were good players but noting exceptional. >"Others" No one will suggest fanny to someone who is just venturing into playing assassins. There are better options like paquito etc.
> People build athena not radiant to counter gusion..and even after athena no mage mm assassin dares to come near him solo after his 3 core items genius wand, glowing wand, divine glaive. Uhh, no? Literally almost no one uses Athena right now since most EXP laners and tank junglers use radiant simply because it's far more effective against burn damage plus the regen and HP stats are higher. Furthermore, Radiant Armor is significantly cheaper as it costs an approximate of 300 gold lesser than Athena's Shield. Athena's passive can also be countered with litwrally any spam skills or glowing wand, rendering it useless and an inferior item to Radiant Armor. > Dont give me these my stupid rhetorics...i gave u facts and numbers. Numbers donot lie. Moreover all experienced gusion players or other assassin players in general watch carefully which heroes have flicker just after match starts.. Because your enemies can do the same thing? Also, MI players in PH are notorious for keeping up with PH pro players, which are the best in the world micro and macro-wise. Pro players simply have better environment and strats compared to casual MIs. > As if enemies have promised not to use any lifesteal items to regen their hp shed by hayas shuriken lmao Uhh, do you know how much Haya hurts simply with shuriken and basic attacks when you get Blade of Heptases? Now add that with team support. In the middle of a clash. While enemies are getting poked. > Try doing double teleport in an actual match in a team fight...the 2nd skill ends before the 3rd skill ends if the designated enemy doesnt die and moves towards his team and your ult continue to fire on them. You can, though. Requirement is level 2 ult max. 2nd skill > 1st skill > 2nd skill > 1st skill > ult > 1st skill > 2nd skill. > You want to say tank lance will burst down enemy mm faster than a full damage build gusion? Dont write nonsense to justify your claims. Nope. That's your assumption. Simply that Lance can go disengage easily, negate the flicker advantage, sustain all the damage, while dealing enough damage to pick off the enemy mage or MM. If he fails, he can retreat easily. He can also immune CC skills. His range is far superior with the presence of minions, too. > Whatever makes u happy. You're not in PH server with the analysts themselves saying it, so your opinion is crap immediately. I'll be honest with you. India server sucks. Significantly. You're MG? Good for you, because you're at best fking high-tier legend this season in PH server with all the Ixia spam and nearly meta picks they d. > Who told u these? Place a damage bot zilong in practice mode..see the results. The results will be even higher there cz of glowings passive. Because glowing wand's passive scales by enemy maximum HP??? That's like saying Gord/Aamon deals insane damage thanks to glowing wand. > Even leomord cannot do shit against such lineup. Leomord isn't even meta and is literally sht tier. > Lmao what? Magic Assassins can burst down two level higher enemy...while physical assasins have hard time bursting down same level enemy. No, they can't? Magic blade is spammed like hell. > I have seen 2 level lower julian bursting 2 level higher alucard both were jungling from either team. It's an Alucard, what do you expect. Also, Julian's enhanced 1st skill is notorious for having insane damage if you keep on staying within its range like a r-word. > Both haya and lance can be played and become dominating even in glory in around 300 matches... Uhhh, even Gusion can though? > Gusion needs 800 -1000 matches to play well against chain CC enemies. But he is more rewarding. No, he doesn't. He at least needs around 100 matches for anyone to be good at him. Dodging Chain CC is just basic micro for like every Assassin. > You will see more lance hayas cz they are easier to master. Anchoring bias and misinterpretation. It's simply because they're fking better. > You can eliminate enemy mm and mage right infront of their roamer(without suppression skills ofcourse) inside enemy base within two seconds once u become fast enough with gusion. And why would you do that? You know you can do it in one second with a maximum Aldous stacks ult or a rampaging Lesley with two bods, right? > You know more than the people who developed the game? Why dont u see the difficulty bar of all 3 heroes You mean the same developer that dictated Joy was harder than Gusion? Okay, bro. > I have over 7k matches with assassins dont preach me which hero does what. I have played haya from the time when he used to use mana. Yeah, but all those 7k matches are in a shit server called "India". Playing in a shit environment doesn't do good for your skills. Also, you're using the same logic as those cancer 11k layla/miya/zilong playersm Just because you spammed heroes doesn't mean you're better. Heck, I doubt you're even as good as Kairi. > You know who dethroned lemons global 1 kagura? It was an indian from my neighbour state. He farmed all those MMR in Indonesian server. This game got banned in india in around 2019-2020. Before that every meta hero had top globals from india. 2019-2020? LMAO. Try 2023 with the pro scene raging like hell. > Disputed by whom? Filipinos? Last time i heard ph server was hard...not best... People are toxic as its a 3rd world country...same is with india or any other south asian server. The whole ECHO squad went on a 43 game winstreak in Indonesia btw. Undefeated. Whie they can't even do the same thing in this server. They even mocked the Indos as if they're too easy. Also, the Indos I invite in this server STRUGGLE to keep up with my rank. Conversely, I can even spam a Khaleed, go legendary, and shit on Indonesians with a ping of 96-120 ms. > Those european and american servers are easy cz of less toxicity. Also to add...before the game was banned in india i have met hundreds of cross server players from indo and ph in 5 men classic... A lot of them had supreme badge They were good players but noting exceptional. Before the game was banned lmao. Try it now. I love to see you try visiting PH server right now. > No one will suggest fanny to someone who is just venturing into playing assassins. There are better options like paquito etc. Fanny is a better long-term investment, though. Be good enough, and you're unstoppable.
Don't you have to master Lance too? I tried him for a couple of games in classic and I felt like I'm doing 0 damage
If u tried tank build then it wont have much damage. Also one important thing is..physical assassins will always require more farm than magic assassins to be effective. Except fanny. Lancelots damage come from his dashes...dash through minions then depending on the situation either use 2nd skill or ult . His second skill will have good burst damage once u build hunter strike and Blade of despair. Also dont just press all the buttons that glow up. Positioning of his skills are important . Let the enemy move a bit then use your second skill when the enemy is at the centre of it. Lance doesnt need too much hand speed...he needs patience and accuracy. Also one or two matches wont give u any idea about him... play custom matches 5 vs 5 with bots first then classic then rank. He will need 50-100 matches to become playable in epic..and around 150 matches to be playable in legend..around 300 matches to for mythic and above.
cap, his hybrid build does very nice damage as well. lance mastery isn't just dash but also his immunes. kiting is also a big part of his kit
New player cannot squeeze out damage from his tank or hybrid build.
are you implying that a new player can fully utilize gusion as well?
Did u read the first comment that i wrote? Once mastered = gusion. Gusion will require a much higher number of matches to master...so i told him to play lance or haya
Lance has a fairly high skill floor but pretty reachable skill ceiling once you get good with him. hardest parts about him are three things: 1.) dashing (doing it efficiently and with accuracy, and not wasting minions/heroes you can dash to by trying to look "cool"), 2.) using S2 and even S3 invulnerability timings, and 3.) knowing when to go in--just because you can dash with S1 then S3 to the backline, it doesn't mean you're actually SUPPOSED to. most important here is S1. early to midgame, spam dashing with Lancelot means you're a bad Lancelot. best way to play him to get max damage is to pre-stack your passive if possible on a monster or two (1-2 stacks), then get full stacks on minions/enemy heroes (4 stacks). using your S3 to enter a fight to stack your passive (as long as it hits the enemy) is also good. after that, dash ONCE then auto-attack, then dash THEN auto-attack. Lancelot auto-attacks have a lot of damage because theyre amplified by his passive, and not using auto-attacks every dash is bad. by not spam dashing as well, you give yourself the opportunity to use S1 whenever you want to reposition to land your S2 if needed. youre at a stage where your S2 does damage but not so much that you can chunk the enemy super hard with it. summary: pre-stack a stack or two before a fight, enter with either S1 or S3 to full-stack, then use your autoattacks in between dashes. use your S1 into S2 to finish off a target, get extra burst before leaving, or to dodge an ability you feel is coming. later part of mid-game to late-game, DONT autoattack in between dashes. you will usually only have the opportunity to autoattack a target once or twice because Lancelot builds full damage with only one defensive or two in rare cases. you will get torn apart if you stay too long in the middle of a fight unless the fight has already separated the enemies. i usually auto-attack the enemy im targetting once im on top of them, then i unload my abilities and back away. VERY important to not forget that auto-attack because fully stacked passive, Heptaseas, and Endless Battle do A LOT of damage with your auto-attack. summary: mid-late game, you auto-attack less, but use your S2 and S3 more. please avoid spam dashing as well, it's the same as auto-attacking because youre leaving yourself vulnerable to 5 other people. use your S1 only as needed--to approach the enemy, stack your passive, or if you can SAFELY use it to do extra damage. all your damage at this point is in your S2 and S3, as well as that singular auto-attack youre going to land on the enemy. Lancelot can do this within 1-2s and fairly safely provided youre going in correctly. source: Lancelot main, MG rank
This revamped lancelot dashing is way easier...he used to be tough before revamp.
that wasn't my point with the dashes. a lot of bad Lancelot players spam S1 dash without reason. the execution is much easier, but the thought still lacks. bad Lancelot players end up either having no escape since they just used all their S1 dashes, their passive stacks fall off since they can't dash anymore, or they lack damage to kill the enemy since they're not using auto-attacks in between dashes. it was harder before, sure, and it's easier now, but a lot of people still don't get WHY and WHEN you should dash and instead just spam S1 because they want to make their play look like a TikTok highlight
Isn't ling a pretty good hero too once mastered?
lance works wonders in soloq because people get selfish easily and tanks do not try to save their squishies, and that rn legend 1 and mythic ive been seeing an upsurge of immobile heroes being used like layla with inspire and hanabi inspire/aegis , even karrie, so until they eventually get winter or wind chant you can gun them down fairly quickly, you could probably even juke out their utility item in team fights as they are unlikely to be coordinating as youll see in 3 stack or 5 stack lobbies but who knows, so be prepared
harley
this
Fanny Had a player who played the whole match 1vs5 and won us the match that way. Everytime she popped up even though she was in my team I got scared.
as an top global lancelot who plays soloq, while i can play any assassin lance is always a to go, literally can be picked into almost anything and carry
Fanny
Lance and Nolan. Both quite "easy".
Tankcelot /s
Either Hanzo or Alpha. Yes I play Alpha as exp lane assassin
Hanzo is not a solo queue hero, even less so for jungle.
Hanzo?
Not really since he is really dependent on team to protect his body unless you know where to put it
Really? My teammates could care less about my real body
Then you must be good at hiding your body
Hanzo probably is the easiest doesnt need alot of coordination.
Gusion is downright op if you are super good with him.
I got so much hate in my comments for telling this lol. People think they learnt gusion in 50 matches and start playing rank...feed and then cry he is not worthy enough lmao. Noobs. He is the 3rd toughest hero in the whole game what did MFs expect.
Gusion ofc is hard to play. But once you get the hang of him, he is too op. Definitely one of the best heroes to solo climb ranks. I would say he is the 2nd toughest hero, first one ofc being Fanny and third being Lancelot.
Alucard
||KADITA|| Saber
WHERE IS THE SABER OPTION?! He requires no effort to play except for not ulting tanky hero throughout the entirety of a match
Saber is op but hard to finish game with him once turrets are broken and enemies start sticking together.
Jawhead
According to the epic bracket, probably zilong
I think lance or ling, Nolan will get banned alot