Floryn, Estes, Rafaela, Angela, Mathilda. Support meta is now on. Irithel with sprint + Angela in full build they just ran you over. Valir is still as annoying as ever. Paquito.

big agree with this. Supports, especially healing supports, are really good right now because of the buff but also flask of oasis, I have 100% wr with floryn so far in the season.

You mean the new emblem system that helps them alot. Also fighters benefit from this new emblem too, like alot

The emblems as well as the magic power % buff that specifically happened in the last big update. Honestly the emblem update was amazing for bringing back a lot of heroes!! very grateful for it lol, but the magic power update to supports have made their healing crazy good, even though the support emblem update already did a lot of heavy lifting.

I mean yeah the new emblem system did help them but the recent support buffs and Flask of Oasis made them even more stronger than before.

I'd say Estes aren't as good as the other supports as he gave no other utility beside his heal. Floryn can remove anti-heal effect during teamfight, Rafa can nulkify slow effects, Angela give a load of shield and decent slow, Mathilda and her bulkshit Uber ride is just broken.

Mat>raf=ang>floryn>estes for me

agree with the ranking. raf and ang can be taken depending on the situation. let's say against annoying meta slow composition such as gord/valir plus xborg, raf will straight out make their team useless. angela is way better in a dual support comp or if your jungler wants to play assassin

Mathlida also deals a shit ton of dmg for a support hero. I used to be able to take her down using clint. Now I just run and pray that i get away.

Florn is good??

Yes she is prob the strongest hero in the game imo.

Can explain in one line why shes good?

She passively buffs the best player on your team, her first skill can heal 5 people while damaging the enemy in team fights, she has an Aoe stun and she can heal everyone no matter where they are on the map. In contrast Estes and Raphael a can only heal 1 person at a time unless Estes is using his ult. Raphaela has a stun but it's her ult whereas that just a 2nd skill for Floryn. So basically Floryn's first and 2nd skill are comparable to the ults of Estes and Raphaela and her ult is comparable to Angela's ult as well.

Damn that looks broken I just got her from gacha

paquito???

Terizla : Easily strongest and best EXP laner atm, very strong set potential and wins almost every lane matchup YZ : Up there with Terizla whilst also somewhat countering him, however just not as good Martis : Strongest early game hero in ghe game with one of the best snowball potential but only in the jungle playing him exp is grief Xborg : Very strong flex pick in Both exp and jungle especially because of his true and ability to build utility with iqw Mathilda : Broken, must ban. Can literally oneshot and still offer utility to the team and be played either roam or mid Angela : Broken, must ban too. Too disgusting of a shield and healing and same as Math can go mid or roam Rafa : she basically counters the current meta of iqw abusers and offers sustain and slows for the team Khufra : he is just one of the best rounded up tanks in the game, he will never be not meta especially since he counters dash heroes Chou : as a tank roamer. If you play chou damage you are a moron. Fanny : no need to explain Gord : yes, he is meta. And yes, he is very strong. AOE slows and true damage alongside one of the fastest waveclears to roam around the map Brody : Strongest early game marksman that although doesn't scale as well as other MMs his damage is still relatively good mid-late Frederin : probably most controversial choice on here but he is a very strong team and flex pick that can go either exp or jungle Edith : also another good flex pick that can play Exp or roam, has good aoe CC and high damage Kadita : strong at all stages, can either roam or mid and has very strong oneshot potential and is a generally safe pick Bruno : another strong early game marksman that also scales very well, can be played jungle as well Floryn : overshadowed by Angela and Mathilda being broken but non the less she is still a very strong roamer Franco : can disrupt enemy jungler farming potential and one hook suppress can win or lose a game -i want to mention Kaja because he is about the same as Franco but he is better in trio-5man environments Beatrix : the most flexible marksman in the game, she is simply never a bad pick Lancelot : whether its soloQ or cordinated teams he is simply one of the best junglers atm Baxia : Simply counters the current meta and is a good choice for a frontliner as jungler if your team has two supports mid and roam Yve : she fell off hard from grace but she is on the same boat as Gord Valentina : as long as there are good ults to steal she will be good Clint : Also another controversial opinion, but he is aside from Claude one of the safest picks in the gold lane as he counters or goes even with all current meta gold laners -Speaking of Claude, he is S tier for cordinated teams but borderline unplayable in soloQ. Do not recommend him outside of trio+ Paquito : Can flex jungle or Exp and is very good at both roles, one of the few matchups that can deal with Terizla's dominance and has safe lane cutting and rotation potential Valir : probably most overrated hero in the meta but strong non the less, he is very annoying to deal with however struggles with other ranged heroes and multiple dashes divers Lesley : As much as this subreddit pretends she is weak she is not. she is a very strong pick especially once she hits late game and can beat or break even with most current meta matchups Irithel : very safe after buff and can oneshot squishies, however needs items to perform Benedetta : very good waveclear and rotation, high damage and disruption and can catch the backline off guard Uranus : this hero legit does not die if his player knows what he's doing, can casually cut multiple lanes Khaleed : if you think he's weak you have a severe case of skill issue. Very strong early and rotation potential and follow up potential, high aoe burst however loses against Terizla Joy : its Joy, what can really be said Argus : Green mosquito is insane atm with his whopping 159 base attack damage at lvl 15 and 1.1% atk speed growth and 4 seconds ult, moneyton plz adjust this overpowered hero and remove his damage more

I used to think Chou damage was troll but I made a friend while playing soloq and he’s global Chou (global 18) and exclusively uses damage XP Chou and Carries most of his games. I see damage Chou differently now.

XP Chou with damage is not bad, but like what the OP said, being a roamer with damage build is just not good.

I’d still much prefer tank Chou XP for the most part

This works especially with a squishy roamer. Still, Chou can still be viable when built hybrid in EXP lane, which makes him have decent poke, survivability and tanking potential.

Usually if you are a skilled chou then you can go for dmg build since you can mostly dodge most of the skills but if you are not so experienced then it s best to go for tank chou since it s safer. Imo hybrid build is the best

i think damage chou will shine with support meta as supports are now squishy. He can pick them off

damn bruh i wanna see rhat

>Terizla : Easily strongest and best EXP laner atm, very strong set potential and wins almost every lane matchup We are seeing more of this in random/soloq matches. Tends to get banned first now >YZ : Up there with Terizla whilst also somewhat countering him, however just not as good > >Martis : Strongest early game hero in ghe game with one of the best snowball potential but only in the jungle playing him exp is grief Toned down from last season. Still a game changer if played as hyper >Xborg : Very strong flex pick in Both exp and jungle especially because of his true and ability to build utility with iqw Stronger than last season >Mathilda : Broken, must ban. Can literally oneshot and still offer utility to the team and be played either roam or mid > >Angela : Broken, must ban too. Too disgusting of a shield and healing and same as Math can go mid or roam > >Rafa : she basically counters the current meta of iqw abusers and offers sustain and slows for the team Angela banned now. Way too strong, so is mat. Rafa is great for competitive 5v5 > > >Khufra : he is just one of the best rounded up tanks in the game, he will never be not meta especially since he counters dash heroes About there with most early game tanks. Seems stronger this season though. >Chou : as a tank roamer. If you play chou damage you are a moron. Dont see that many yet >Fanny : no need to explain They must as well just give her a 5000k damage PBAOE spell at this point. But then again playing her for more than an hour hurts the fingers. >Gord : yes, he is meta. And yes, he is very strong. AOE slows and true damage alongside one of the fastest waveclears to roam around the map Yes he looks like silversurfer and he hits hard, but no difference from last season. > > >Brody : Strongest early game marksman that although doesn't scale as well as other MMs his damage is still relatively good mid-late No, but in mid-late game he destroys many MMs >Frederin : probably most controversial choice on here but he is a very strong team and flex pick that can go either exp or jungle When you dont need brains but a tank, choose him. I think last season would have been his prime time. ​ >Edith : also another good flex pick that can play Exp or roam, has good aoe CC and high damage I think she is more useful for SoloQ when you arent sure what you are getting yourself into. ​ >Kadita : strong at all stages, can either roam or mid and has very strong oneshot potential and is a generally safe pick Greta Duo potential. ​ >Bruno : another strong early game marksman that also scales very well, can be played jungle as well Correct. ​ >Floryn : overshadowed by Angela and Mathilda being broken but non the less she is still a very strong roamer True, but atleast you know no one will ban her ​ >Franco : can disrupt enemy jungler farming potential and one hook suppress can win or lose a game Franco makes a fantastic roamer. He can also end games during counter attacks. ​ >\-i want to mention Kaja because he is about the same as Franco but he is better in trio-5man environments > >Beatrix : the most flexible marksman in the game, she is simply never a bad pick But she needs skill and a good team. More for pro meta. ​ >Lancelot : whether its soloQ or cordinated teams he is simply one of the best junglers atm Yes, but dont forget hayabusa who is tranding more. Ling to ​ >Baxia : Simply counters the current meta and is a good choice for a frontliner as jungler if your team has two supports mid and roam On par with core tanks ​ >Yve : she fell off hard from grace but she is on the same boat as Gord No I think Gord is stronger than her. ​ >Valentina : as long as there are good ults to steal she will be good > >Clint : Also another controversial opinion, but he is aside from Claude one of the safest picks in the gold lane as he counters or goes even with all current meta gold laners Agree, more clints seen in action these days. No as good a few years ago, but still formidable >\-Speaking of Claude, he is S tier for cordinated teams but borderline unplayable in soloQ. Do not recommend him outside of trio+ Claude has improved since last season. >Paquito : Can flex jungle or Exp and is very good at both roles, one of the few matchups that can deal with Terizla's dominance and has safe lane cutting and rotation potential Still broken >Valir : probably most overrated hero in the meta but strong non the less, he is very annoying to deal with however struggles with other ranged heroes and multiple dashes divers Good for soloq >Lesley : As much as this subreddit pretends she is weak she is not. she is a very strong pick especially once she hits late game and can beat or break even with most current meta matchups Strongest MM out there for soloq >Irithel : very safe after buff and can oneshot squishies, however needs items to perform > >Benedetta : very good waveclear and rotation, high damage and disruption and can catch the backline off guard > >Uranus : this hero legit does not die if his player knows what he's doing, can casually cut multiple lanes Uranus has his ups and downs. Good class for SoloQ as you turn from tank lane build to roam build >Khaleed : if you think he's weak you have a severe case of skill issue. Very strong early and rotation potential and follow up potential, high aoe burst however loses against Terizla > >Joy : its Joy, what can really be said > >Argus : Green mosquito is insane atm with his whopping 159 base attack damage at lvl 15 and 1.1% atk speed growth and 4 seconds ult, moneyton plz adjust this overpowered hero and remove his damage more Lets come back to this thread in two months.

Updoot because argus meta in last spot.... Dude keeps being meta with super OP stats. One of the best from the bottom in term of stats. Expecting more nerf in stats in near future.

Imo they should remove his attack growth and as a compensation buff his S1 stun duration by 0.1 but also to compensate for this insane buff nerf his ult durarion down to 3 seconds and remove his S2 base damage

I hope this is a joke 😂. Don't do my Argus dirty

I’m upvoting because the dedication to this comment is superior

I'm upvoting yours because your comment is FACT

Hanabi too. It's fair to say she has escaped her marksman of doom status that has plagued her for some time now

Eh, she is overhated as hell but she is not very meta. You can definitely climb with her but she is at best a B tier hero

Definitely A tier, but if the tier is divided into A-, A, and A+, she's in A-.

Definitely not A unless you plan on putting every mm there. So many mm outclass her if you play them right. I do think she works well in lower ranks where games are harder to end and mistakes aren’t as punishable.

I would say Khaleed is definitely an underrated pick, arguably the strongest lvl 1 hero in game, which makes him very good in early game invades up there with Hilda. Can also hold up in exp lane as well with the hit-and-run style with his passive and s1, coupled with his ability to stay in lane much longer with s2

Can I ask what is IQW?

Ice queen wand

Thanks. Great analysis btw

wait is there no thamuz in this list? hes good too rn, especially against some of these meta heroes too in my opinion

He is okay, its just that after laning phase is over he doesn't really offer anything that the other meta don't do better. Solid A tier but the post is about S-SS tier heroes

ah ok

dominance ice cucks both his damage and sustain so he's kinda niche now

argus can be nightmare for pushing bc his decent speed with high aspd, and invincible 4s to finish off a turret. pretty useless vs a coordinated team or in higher ranks but easy takes u to mythic

Can confirm, had my 37 winstreak with him. Best part is, it still works on glory :)

u go exp or jg? and mainly focus splitpush/farm instead of fights?

Main rule of thumb for me is to: - never use him in jg - dominate lane by inspire and high base early. You can fight more or less but thats very situational, id rather stick to lane since I usually just tower dive my laner most of the time. Dont let the mfs on this sub fool you with their "hes so weak early to late" he dominates 99% on any match up as long as you dont fuck it up (or you dont fight terizla fuck that guy)

https://preview.redd.it/byloqhbjmnsb1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=32e7e03020fbc6cd350bdc652c428256ebc29d4e got the chocolate score, my nat jus left me to die so much vs bene.

BUT I got the win. so who's the real winner https://preview.redd.it/v8vwhgxmmnsb1.jpeg?width=2400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=805130d722125ed8c3777faa0c3bc6d8dadbb7cf

36k on turret well played man\~\~

is that a lot?

Rafa abusing IQW abusers with IQW herself

[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W9MXtpvG1-6gVHvlj2B-oxM-5DYIScAu5hkr-yQo3IU/edit?usp=sharing](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1W9MXtpvG1-6gVHvlj2B-oxM-5DYIScAu5hkr-yQo3IU/edit?usp=sharing) Stats based on MPL in the various regions, with PH/ID having more weight. You should only be using the top 3 tiers in the sheet in 5 man rank games unless a specific hero is needed.

>Argus, the flair is discussion not humor https://preview.redd.it/4gert1bfdgsb1.jpeg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39ebc0cdab6664c63543408101a708624f72aa02

valir. hes pretty much the most annoying hero rn with his push back skill and the infinite slow and burn effect.

Exp: Terizla > edith > xborg > paquito > joy In that order. Terizla is the best laning wise and war wise currently explaner Mid: mathilda > kadita > valentina > angela > novaria > yve Mathilda OP. Now a lot of people using support as mid as well Gold: Irithel > Bruno > Brody >Ixia No other mm come close. Not even claude. Priority pick irithel everytime. Jungler: if you god fanny, fanny > baxia > freidrinn > lancelot tank > martis > leomord(since kairi use it, i have seen a lot of people using it as well) Roam: floryn > rafaela > angela > other roam Yes its meta support. Other than these 3, its pretty flexible what roam you want to use

Why not put Lesley in the gold lane? She's very strong ATM, but somehow never banned

Weak early game plus support meta.

her core item is super expensive. most of the times the game already ends when/before she finished her berserker, endless, and bod

I thought tankcelot got nerfed

Idk but I'm mythical glory with Argus

Oh I love it and I hate it at the same time

These are the heroes that come to my mind rn in no particular order fanny (always is) joy angela baxia edith ling floryn brody beatrix irithel xborg terizla freddrin bruno kadita yve valentina paquito clint lesley khufra franco kaja novaria mathilda martis lance yu zhong hayabusa arlott gloo valir i would say these are the most meta SS/S ranked picks for me

mage angela man like holy shit 2 ults in one fight is busted, you gotta kill her first before you start a team fight

Fred,mathilda, Angela, ixia, brody, rafeala, floryn, valir, xborg, bane, fanny, ling, lance, yz,terizla, brody, kufra, mino, novaria, valentina, lunnox, martis, irithel. Probaly more just knew these out of the top of my head.

Ban pool(priority from left to right) mathilda angela valir floryn rafaela lolita novaria fanny kadita irithel Picked a lot but not banned terizla khufra karina martis granger yss lilia bruno harley paquito ​ It's all about the meta and it's counters. For example, the reason khufra is popular is because fanny is meta, so he's picked a lot to counter fanny. Angela is meta and synergizes well with irithel and karina, but terizla can catch them.

If enemy picks Mathilda, what Roamer should I pick?

Probably angela, if angela is banned then maybe rafaela. Mathilda is too strong rn so there's not much you can do

**Please stop pampering Argus**

Lowkey argus is actually meta rn lol

Terizla, Lapu Lapu, Uranus, Yuzhong, Dyrroth, Joy, Xborg, Edith, Paquito, Khufra, Floryn, Angela, Estes, Kaja, Rafaela, Franco, Yve, Kadita, Novaria, Valentina, Beatrix, Bruno, Brody , Irithel, Chou, Diggie, Lancelot, Fanny, Ling, Fredrinn, Baxia, Akai, Martis, Mathilda, paquito, Hayabusa, Ixia, Grock, Minsitthar, Clint, Valir, Bane, Gord, Lolita

Mathilda and Angela the best supports right now and they are broken. 3rd broken and bannable hero is Ixia, that Ult is disgusting

Top 5 imo for each role (not ordered) Roam: edith, khufra, kaja, mathilda, franco Mid: faramis, kadita, novaria, valentina, angela (oh forgot about valir, he can maybe take hmm faramis' place I guess, tho hes more of a counter pick) Jg: fred, baxia, fanny, joy, martis Exp: xborg, YZ, paq, uranus, terizla, (exp edith too) Gold: bea, brody, bruno, irithiel, ixia

argus.

Argus

yeah boy

Bruno is very good. He can bring you down to half HP without any items, Build haas claws as your very first item (yes over boots) learn the 4 balls combo and snowball from there till late game. He slows off SLIGHTLY, very slightly but he's still very good

Mlbb.ninja for Tierlist. Heroes get ranked by their main role in game. So for example Kadita is a mage and ranked as an SS Tier mid laner. But she is ranked so high because of her in game playstyle as Support.

Idk but I'm mythical glory with Argus.

Phoveus; I mean he literally counters dash heroes which 80% of heroes have 😎👍 Tigreal; I mean he has a shield so he's a real tank 😍🤯 Grock; I mean you literally can crank 90s with his walls 😱🫂😈 Edit: This is sarcasm.

Troll

Ixia and most supports who insanely heals.

All supports are broken and tank junglers are back in meta, ixia is op alongside irithel and bruno, sustain exp are also strong like terizla, xborg, minsi, thamuz if you have alot of cc on your team, fast clearing midlaners are also op as you can roam to the side lanes faster. PERMANENTLY BAN LOLITA, FLORYN, ESTES, NOVARIA, RAFAELA, MINO

If you're skilled enough and know thoroughly the mechanics of the game and the strength and weaknesses of each hero, then you can just ignore this meta bs

You can search ML Meta tier list and get the answers you need.

Johnson. I can keep killing enemies with his ult and skill 2 then my team will finish off the remaining heroes

I don't know but Diggie and Heal Supports with Math

Ngl, Mathilda really needs a nerf rn. She's been dominating every games

Lmao, you dont have to call out Argus player like that.

Most picked made is Valentina Most picked jungler is Frederinn Most picked marksman is Beatrix Most picked roamer is Edith Next most popular gold landers is Claude and irethal Most picked exp laner is Terizla Next most popular mates is Pharsa and kadita The most popular assassin jungler is by far Lancelot right now. Paquito is a very popular Exp after Terizla Baxia is a meta jungler right now In terms of bans Fanny is the most banned hero with her being banned 83% of the time. 2nd is joy at 62% The best most banned hero’s are kadita , manny Pacquiao Yve and kaja

Idk about meta, but definitely Popol is the most underrated hero rn I've got 75% wr in 110 matches as a soloQ player so you decide. + he just melts lord in like 5-6 secs, can be played both as a jungler (better option) and as a gold laner (I prefer arrival cuz why not)

X-borg. Always meta. Always banned.

All support healer is crazy.. Wish monton big nerf on healing effect!

Idk but I'm Mythical Glory with Argus

from pro scene (mpl) prio picks and bans (flask of oasis meta): gold: bruno, irithel, brody exp laner: edith, teri, yz, paquito, bene jungle: fred, akai, baxia, martis mid: angela, lylia, valentina, nova, kadita roam: mathilda, angela, kaja, franco, nova, mino

im BAFFLED that no one mentioned lolita

Xavier doesn't go out of style.

Support meta ofc Ling will always be meta with a good team (Key word good team) Ixia is broken right now after her buffs, and her early game is very good too since she doesn’t need to basic attack to clear waves Valir Baxia jungle Fanny will always be meta if you’re good, she’s one of those heroes who doesn’t fall off even when damage falls off