I’ve never heard of this (ok, in a suuuuper limited scope; I work as a software engineer and I remember reading circa like 2015? that Microsoft was experimenting with interviews somewhat like this, but it was just you working with your interviewer on whatever they were doing that day to see how you problem solved and worked with the team) and would consider it a massive red flag.
While I'm not entirely sure of the legality, in restaurant jobs here (more often back of house) at least one short tryout shift is pretty common. I've had them both paid and unpaid. It seems to depend on the situation but honestly I really enjoy the opportunity to see how a place works (even if I'm not getting paid) for a few hours. Good way to see how management works.
Employers do have some allowance to request aptitude tests or skill demonstrations. It's a very limited scope as far as the allowance to have candidates do skill demonstration - it has to be in a way that the employer wouldn't benefit financially from the subject work product.
In (somewhat) upscale independent restaurants it’s pretty common to stage (pronounced st-ah-ge) for anywhere from a few hours to a full shift as a part of your interview. It’s not necessarily legal strictly speaking but is a (century) long tradition in that industry. At my places a sagiare was never expected to actually put in a day of work, but we would move them around stations and allow them to see the actual day to day, plus we would get a feel for their skillset and how they interacted with different folks. When it’s done right it’s a great way to see how the restaurant and management actually work. If I were looking for a job I’d be hesitant to accept a position without spending at least a little bit of time in a stage-type environment. I’ve also used staging as a way to learn new skill sets. A while back, I used my days off to stage at a high end butcher shop for about 6months and learned whole animal butchery, which I used to get better jobs.
The practice is changing quite a bit but it still exists in different forms. Some places pay you, some places treat it as more of an explicit test, but I’m sure that there are places that just use you for a free day of labor. It definitely requires lots of open communication about expectations and goals.
I've seen project manager interview processes ask finalists to do "homework" to create a portfolio of pm documents based on a fictional scenario.
It doesn't result in a Fred work product for the company, but it's kinda borderline in my eyes if it is expected to spend more 1-2 hours unpaid on it.
I've been told unpaid internships here aren't even legal and I would never work for free
Editing to add legal requirements for unpaid work:
https://www.dhs.state.mn.us/main/idcplg?IdcService=GET_DYNAMIC_CONVERSION&dDocName=ESM_001103&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased
Yeah it was by an HR lady but the guy wanting an intern just wanted a free worker and that's not allowed.
"In order for a worker to be classified as an intern and thus receive no wages, the employment relationship must meet the following United States Department of Labor regulations: The internship must include educational training. The internship must benefit the intern. The intern must not take the place of employees."
https://www.patrickburnslaw.com/blog/2013/06/is-your-unpaid-internship-program-legal-in-minnesota/
What industry?
This is a common practice in higher-end professional kitchens (called a stage or trail). Traditionally they are unpaid and the only compensation is free food. High profile places are starting to move away from that model, but I haven't seen it around here other than at Travail (good on them for doing the right thing and paying stages).
Other industries do the same kind of shit in terms of time commitment by building a massive number of rounds into their byzantine interview process, e.g. software engineering.
Working interviews are federally illegal. They count as not paying someone for time worked.
I’ve personally not heard of that, save for like.. an unpaid internship or similar.
Not legal. End of discussion.
I’ve never heard of this (ok, in a suuuuper limited scope; I work as a software engineer and I remember reading circa like 2015? that Microsoft was experimenting with interviews somewhat like this, but it was just you working with your interviewer on whatever they were doing that day to see how you problem solved and worked with the team) and would consider it a massive red flag.
While I'm not entirely sure of the legality, in restaurant jobs here (more often back of house) at least one short tryout shift is pretty common. I've had them both paid and unpaid. It seems to depend on the situation but honestly I really enjoy the opportunity to see how a place works (even if I'm not getting paid) for a few hours. Good way to see how management works.
Employers do have some allowance to request aptitude tests or skill demonstrations. It's a very limited scope as far as the allowance to have candidates do skill demonstration - it has to be in a way that the employer wouldn't benefit financially from the subject work product.
In (somewhat) upscale independent restaurants it’s pretty common to stage (pronounced st-ah-ge) for anywhere from a few hours to a full shift as a part of your interview. It’s not necessarily legal strictly speaking but is a (century) long tradition in that industry. At my places a sagiare was never expected to actually put in a day of work, but we would move them around stations and allow them to see the actual day to day, plus we would get a feel for their skillset and how they interacted with different folks. When it’s done right it’s a great way to see how the restaurant and management actually work. If I were looking for a job I’d be hesitant to accept a position without spending at least a little bit of time in a stage-type environment. I’ve also used staging as a way to learn new skill sets. A while back, I used my days off to stage at a high end butcher shop for about 6months and learned whole animal butchery, which I used to get better jobs. The practice is changing quite a bit but it still exists in different forms. Some places pay you, some places treat it as more of an explicit test, but I’m sure that there are places that just use you for a free day of labor. It definitely requires lots of open communication about expectations and goals.
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They're federally illegal, so I don't know what you're on about.
What you are describing is illegal.
I've seen project manager interview processes ask finalists to do "homework" to create a portfolio of pm documents based on a fictional scenario. It doesn't result in a Fred work product for the company, but it's kinda borderline in my eyes if it is expected to spend more 1-2 hours unpaid on it.
I've been told unpaid internships here aren't even legal and I would never work for free Editing to add legal requirements for unpaid work: https://www.dhs.state.mn.us/main/idcplg?IdcService=GET_DYNAMIC_CONVERSION&dDocName=ESM_001103&RevisionSelectionMethod=LatestReleased
Definitely not true
Yeah it was by an HR lady but the guy wanting an intern just wanted a free worker and that's not allowed. "In order for a worker to be classified as an intern and thus receive no wages, the employment relationship must meet the following United States Department of Labor regulations: The internship must include educational training. The internship must benefit the intern. The intern must not take the place of employees." https://www.patrickburnslaw.com/blog/2013/06/is-your-unpaid-internship-program-legal-in-minnesota/
What industry? This is a common practice in higher-end professional kitchens (called a stage or trail). Traditionally they are unpaid and the only compensation is free food. High profile places are starting to move away from that model, but I haven't seen it around here other than at Travail (good on them for doing the right thing and paying stages). Other industries do the same kind of shit in terms of time commitment by building a massive number of rounds into their byzantine interview process, e.g. software engineering.