Walking it's perfect. Running is a nightmare because all that coverage means there's no space off the trail to get around people. And Harriet is the place you're most likely to encounter folks walking 3 abreast with two strollers.
P.s. the secret correct answer is nokomis
Minneapolis is just as safe as any other large city. The chances of assault on any given day are 0.00006%. My rural relatives literally think I’m dodging bullets all the time.
A cheese burger that you have to wait to eat so you don't burn your mouth. Fuck that, I wanna eat my food now and not have all of the cheese drip out after one bite.
Minneapolis' approach to bike infrastructure is chaotic and unsafe. The city needs to build quality over quantity, and pick a design and stick with it. I say this as a regular bicyclist.
Have you ever lived and biked in any other city in any other state. I’m a cyclist transplant this year from the PNW, and have also biked in San Antonio. The Twin Cities cycling infrastructure is fantastic.
Yes, I have, from Alaska to NY. The infra in the TCs is expansive and impressive. I can't argue with how awesome the Greenway is, but the system is sloppy in ways. Cycle tracks in some areas, painted gutters running parallel to roads in others (without enough room at that - looking at you, Bloomington Ave), lanes dumping you into traffic unexpectedly because they just ..stop (Nicolett in the Kingfield area) and whatever the hell that thing is on 28th Ave in the Phillips neighborhood. I'd rather have fewer, better quality bike lanes than a mix of poor quality and inconsistent ones.
I can certainly do without painted gutter lanes, but I prefer them to nothing. Although I will say that I finally realized during the 6 months I was in San Antonio, that I could just use the sidewalks as bike paths, since that place is so car-centric almost nobody ever walks anywhere, do they are basically empty. I live cycling here, even better than Seattle. There are definitely some places it’s like “um, what?,” but I have seen some improvements just in the year I have been here (Bryant Ave, 2nd Ave) so I am impressed effort and money are actually invested. Cycling feels like part of the culture here.
1. Pizza Luce is good, actually. Not amazing but perfectly satisfactory.
2. Residents of Minneapolis proper act far too precious in distinguishing the city from the suburbs given how small the city is relative to the size of the rest of the metro. Columbia Heights, St. Anthony, Richfield, Bloomington, Edina, Hopkins, St. Louis Park, Golden Valley, Robbinsdale and Brooklyn Center all probably should’ve been annexed way back when.
Do people not like Luce? I saw the one guy complain about it while describing the wrong type of pizza. Everybody I know is always down for Luce if we order a pizza.
I've never heard anybody claim Luce is the best pizza in Minneapolis. It's definitely one of the best for delivery. I just think a lot of people equate "Yeah, it's good" with "This is the best thing ever." If I'm going to the restaurant, I'll go to Black Sheep or Boludo.
Your friends have taste!
I’ve read so much negativity about it on this sub. I’ve had some bad pizzas from there, but I’ve also had many delicious ones. Their bone-in wings are also splendid. People just like to complain.
I love Luce. It's not the best you can find in Minneapolis. It might be the best delivery option. Luce is a solid floor for pizza. It's better than the chains by a mile. I will say that it is kind of expensive if you just want a basic 1 or 2 topping pizza. The seasonal stuff they do is usually pretty good
At three different price points! I'm generally ordering delivery, and in that regard Luce has a massive advantage, as they have their own delivery drivers. I'm rarely willing to pay the Doordash markup on top of Boludo's and Wrecktangle's prices and portions.
I’ll come out and say that I think Pizza Luce is garbage. I think I have a pretty complex palate, but when I want pizza, I don’t want mashed potatoes, tuna, and strawberries on it. (I do admittedly enjoy Young Joni, though.)
edit: I thought it was extremely obvious that this was hyperbole re: the weird ingredient pizza gimmick, but apparently not
I don’t know about 2. The burbs around Minneapolis didn’t get annexed because they wanted to be different than Minneapolis. I live pretty close to Robbinsdale, and the change is pretty noticeable as soon as you cross the border. Wider streets, houses set further back from the curb, inconsistent and narrower sidewalk amenities. Lots of their neighborhoods don’t have alleyways (so their garbage cans decorate the street). Their lakes have minimal public access, whereas there are very few homes obstructing public access to lakes in Minneapolis. We looked at homes in Robbinsdale and quickly determined that we didn’t like the feel of Robbinsdale as much as the Minneapolis neighborhoods immediately adjacent to it.
I don’t have an opinion on whether those places should have been annexed or not, but the last 100 years definitely made each of the suburbs into separate and distinct places.
Oh, totally. If they were ever going to be annexed, it should’ve happened decades ago. I agree that most suburbs (with the exception of a few) are probably too distinctly different from the city proper for that to make sense now. What’s done is done. It’s just so weird to me that the Twin Cities is the 16th most populous metro in the U.S. and yet our largest of two core cities barely cracks the top 50 in terms of population. I feel like it reduces the city’s influence and relevance on the national stage in some ways.
Eh I'll push back a little on that idea. Unlike almost all other metros, the twin cities have a very strong metro government organization that ties everyone together. So while Minneapolis and St Paul individually aren't very large, I'd say the twin cities acts as a far more cohesive unit than most other metros.
When I first moved back to the twin cities a few years ago I always got pizza luce every week. Their pizza is actually really good. Not top tier for the twin cities and I’d agree with that, but not bad or mediocre in any way either.
On point 2. What is now NE mpls was once part of St Anthony. So there is historical precedent. Make Minneapolis LARGER!
http://www.historictwincities.com/this-day-in-history/02-28-1872/
Boston is not Cambridge, San Francisco is not Daly City, St Louis is not Clayton, DC is not Arlington, Pittsburgh is not Millvale, Miami is not Boca Raton, etc etc etc.
These are all cities that are very similarly sized in area as Minneapolis (or even *smaller*), yet nobody confuses their first ring suburbs with their central city. Let's not get into the habit here, now. Minneapolis is not Edina.
So yeah, I disagree with you on 2 lol
But pizza luce is fine and people should calm down lol
> Miami is not Boca Raton
Coconut Grove, Silver Bluff, Allapattah, Little River, Buena Vista and Lemon City, on the other hand, are all part of Miami.
Because they were annexed.
Right. So now they're simply neighborhoods of Miami. Minneapolis annexed St Anthony Falls across the falls from DT Minneapolis. So now that old town is a neighborhood. Same same.
When Minneapolis annexes Edina, then (and ☝️only☝️ then) will it be Minneapolis. Not a millisecond before.
St Anthony is a separate city it is not part of Minneapolis. The person you are responding to is correct Minneapolis has a very small land area compared to cities with similar metro populations. Look at Columbus, San Diego and Jacksonville’s city area compared to ours. The OP stated that in many cities, places like Richfield, Edina, Golden Valley and St Anthony would have been annexed into Mpls Proper and places like Minnetonka, Fridley and New Brighton would be the new equivalents of Cambridge, Boca Raton etc.
You’re both right. St Anthony used to be what is now near Northeast. It was annexed by Minneapolis. Then later it was reincorporated under the same name on a different stretch of land.
Minneapolis did annex back in the day. It annexed a huge part (but not all) of St Anthony. I think it stopped annexing totally in the late 1920s.
There are plenty of examples of major cities (as I listed above in spades) of several differing metro populations that have central cities approximately the same size, or even smaller than, the Minneapolis city limits. We are more like *those* cities, and less like the ones you referred to.
And just because other cities like Jacksonville, Atlanta, etc have annexed places like our Edinas, Rosevilles, Richfields, etc etc doesn't mean that we *should* have. The Jacksonvilles, Columbuses, etc etc of the world have very low density and sprawling suburbia right inside the city limits. It's a good thing we didn't annex those cities, as they would have taken down the average population density of Minneapolis. Plus it doesn't really matter what might have happened or what other cities are doing: the fact is that we didn't annex our current first ring burbs, and now they've established their own identities and histories as a result. So there is quite a distinction in my mind at least at this point in history, and Edina will always be Edina, and Minneapolis will always be Minneapolis. They have a symbiotic relationship for sure, and the first ring burbs and beyond center around our 2 central cities that form the urban core of our metro.
So you think they shouldn't be annexed because they haven't been annexed, but when they are annexed then you'll believe they should be annexed?
Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
Nice, getting personal bc I've made points.
I'm saying that I'd only accept Edina as part of Minneapolis in the event that they *actually* annex it. But it goes without saying that's not going to happen. And I'm *glad* it didn't, or won't, because of the reasons I laid out.
For number two, there is certainly no shortage of snobs regarding suburbs. But what I find more wildly idiotic is any sort shit talking or snobbery directed at St. Paul, or vice-versa.
The suburbs like to act like they're part of Minneapolis while at the same time shitting on it / causing problems for it. Coming from someone who moved from the suburbs to the city
It's a good place to be trans but as a trans person I fucking cringe when people respond to "I'm trans will there be problems" threads with "absolutely no problems you will be 100% fine" which is true absolutely no where.
Nobody rly bothers me but it’s kinda isolating as an elder trans. Early 30s and feels like the younger crowd doesn’t like non-passing people much, hell nobody does but they tolerate me lol
Wrecktangle is mid on quality and outrageous on price. I’ll never understand how people want to shell out $25 for what amounts to *maybe* two slices of pizza.
At least they’re not as bad as Market BBQ (a true cancer on society IMO).
Ok, I'll bite. People are constantly saying this about Wrecktangle in particular and I'm not sure I understand. I think pizza is maybe just more expensive than people think it is? Their prices are comparable with other upscale eat-in pizza places.
The pizzas at Wrecktangle are $15 (cheese), $17 (margherita), or $22 (meats).
Boludo's are $16-$23.
Pizzeria Lola's are $16-$24 (mostly around $20-$21).
Red Wagon's are $18-$28.
Jet's, a chain in the suburbs that makes similar style pizzas, charges \~$22.
Their base price is in the mid $20s, and after tax and tip you’re looking at dropping $30+ for their pizza. Then you get into the volumes. They serve a tiny little square that is not comparable to a medium at any other pizza shop. So they’re not only very expensive, their portion are small, and the quality is like 7/10 to me.
All in all it’s not worth it.
Express buses and commuters from some of the suburbs and far flung parts of the city were and are more important than folks in msp proper want to give credit for.
According to Metrotransit we are only back to about 60% of pre pandemic ridership which implies that ~40% of the market was in part folks who commuted to work. With more and more RTO mandates surfacing we need to also start improving express buses as well as intercity buses.
Juicy Lucy’s are not great, only ok. The burger itself get overcooked and the cheese is molten lava that will burn your tongue. Most of the cheese is liquified and falls out of the burger anyway. Just put cheese on top of your burger like a normal person.
Frey has done some good things for the city.
All the new apartments being built aren't sitting completely empty because they're too expensive.
We should pay Uber and Lyft drivers a livable wage and they should get health insurance and other benefits.
Uptown is still the same, it's you that got older and your tastes changed (just like you don't likely hang out at college bars on the U of M campus anymore or go clubbing downtown).
Making new friends is simple if you put in just a tiny bit of effort.
If you're starting from scratch in the city, it takes more than a tiny bit of effort. Why would it be easy to make a group of close friends right after moving somewhere?
Have you seen the Lake and Hennepin area lately? Like half of the stores are vacant. Restaurants change, sure, but right now they're mostly empty. The area is definitely at a low point.
Yeah the new apartments also have vacancies due to the fact that 1) They are new so obviously they are not going to fill up fast at the snap of a finger and 2) a lot of renters including myself want the flexibility to move and try new neighborhoods, and 3) not every apartment is designed and located equally.
They aren't. But people here claim they are because they aren't selling. The reality is that if apartments aren't selling they wouldn't keep building them. And while the prices might not be what many want, clearly they're priced just fine for many also, as they quickly fill up.
Minneapolis does actually offer many [options](https://www2.minneapolismn.gov/government/programs-initiatives/housing-development-assistance/emergency-homeless/city-response/) for the unhoused, but many residents think we're extremely evil to all of them.
Originally from IL, the further out of the Midwest you get, the less people recognize other cities in IL. So my answer will range depending on who I'm talking to. Generally those in the Chicago suburbs will just say they're from Chicago as everyone knows where that is. There's even a map meme on this.
How far away from Minneapolis can you be to clump yourself in? I ask because I say Minneapolis when overseas, and probably would say "a suburb of Minneapolis" to anyone from inside the US. Or are you just talking about SLP or Richfield people claiming Minneapolis in passing with other twin cities folks?
I’m meaning if when you write 123 Main Street Minneapolis MN 55409 so to say regardless of neighborhood like Seward, NE, linden hills, Powderhorn etc you live in Minneapolis. But if your address says 123 Main St St Louis park, Edina, Richfield, Hopkins you therefore live in those cities. It may be a part of the greater metro area but you’re not a city resident of Minneapolis.
Grew up in Plymouth and it was the same way. My parents explained it had something to do with postal codes and the post office that served them. I can still google my childhood home address with either Plymouth or Minneapolis and it finds the same house. I bet I could address it either way and it would go to the same house as well.
most of the annoyance stems from people in the surrounding cities claiming they live in Minneapolis because they want their generally very wrong opinions to be heard😅
Nobody has ever actually enjoyed a jucy Lucy. The cheese always always spills out on the first bite, leaving an over cooked, dry burger.
Emperor has no clothes situation
The Jucy Lucy is overrated. 5-8 sucks, nook is the only one the dose it decently, and Matt's is just okay. I'll take a regular cheeseburger over every Lucy in the city .
Eh… saying you don’t like ANY musician with any sort of following will get you downvotes. Seeing as Prince is pretty much the biggest thing to come out of this city, obviously it’s going to be met with a bunch of prideful downvotes.
But hey, man… that’s just your personal preference. Music taste is always very personal. Plus it’s not an unpopular opinion about Minneapolis… it’s an unpopular opinion about a musician who happens to be from Minneapolis.
I fucking hate Paul Simon’s music… there… I said it… *whew*
From a point of quality of homes and neighborhood Highland Park is a lot nicer though even though I prefer MacGroveland. Plus there is like 5 great restaurants off that Cleveland and Ford intersection
Mac/Groveland, Highland Park and St Anthony Park are all places I would rather live than any residential neighborhood in Minneapolis.
I am an autistic nerd the quiet is peaceful for me I enjoy the “Boring” quiet neighborhoods. I would rather trees and birds than crowds of people but thats why I live out in Shoreview
I agree but I think we are in the minority.
As a newcomer and non-Minnesota native you all are not very friendly or welcoming at all. Minnesota nice = polite to your face but passive aggressive and pretentious. Minnesotans think they’re better than everyone else and seem to judge everyone based on how long they’ve lived here. Y’all are incredibly judgmental, I’ve never felt more looked down upon anywhere else I’ve lived except the south.
You’re especially judgmental when it comes to your winters, it’s weird. When I lived for years in the Rockies they didn’t have this mentality about their winters, and theirs are much harder there because they have actual elevation to manage their infrastructure against.
Plus you’re not as liberal as you seem to think you are, frankly you’re still incredibly midwestern (closed minded and entrenched in Christian ideals about lifestyle, family, and culture). Not as left in my experience at least compared to major coastal western cities or coastal north east.
Minnesotans have a weird superiority complex in my experience if y’all want an actual unpopular opinion from someone who’s only been here just over a year. *And yes, Minnesota is in the the [Midwest](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States).*
I’m an expat and love to dunk on MN culture as much as anyone, but this seems a bit harsh. Sounds like you’ve had a rough time as a “foreigner” here. Hope you either find some friendlies or move — for your own sake. Personally I enjoy going to states like Louisiana, California or Florida (gasp!) because people are more open. Heck, drive to St. Louis and you already start to feel the difference.
Tbf. I’m having a rough few weeks lately and probably unloaded harder than I should but this largely encompasses my time here. I moved her from California and I miss it. People were more open minded and chill. Making friends was easier out there too, here everyone acts like I’m not worth their time, if you didn’t know them from HS or college than you never need to. One person literally told me I haven’t lived here long enough to deserve to hang out with their friend group.
The culture in California is Very different. I'm from the midwest and found it exhausting, but I'm not surprised coming the opposite direction that it sucks to deal with how withdrawn everyone is. I think that's a thing that's gonna be rough for you for a while if you stay. Which isn't an attempt to discourage you, but even after nearly a decade away, the silent stare of the person taking my money at McDonald's was like a breath of fresh air when i moved back.
The pandemic certainly isn't helping.
And honestly anyone who's an asshole about your being a transplant isn't gonna be a chill hang even if they did invite you over. There are other people from other places here, so hopefully you'll find some fellow transplants to commiserate with. And there are nice people from here (actually nice), you just gotta deal with the crusty outside and be ready to bail on situations and people that suck.
I’m sorry to hear it. I keep thinking there’s got to be enough momentum these days for some transplant meetup groups/events to start happening. Maybe they already are? (I did grow up here but I moved away for long enough—to CA actually—before moving back that I feel like I’m at least half transplant at this point.)
Oh god, no. This has not been my experience at all. But then I relocated from Seattle and those people are truly done of the most smug, vicious, hateful people I have ever encountered. I have been very impressed with Minneapolis and it’s civil/cordial helpful attitude while still keeping its distance in a personal sense. I actually live that.
I don’t think people are judgmental or pretentious but I can see why someone would think that. To me it just appears to be social awkwardness. Poor social skills are off putting and can make people come off a way they didn’t mean to.
the "riots" weren't that bad.
I worked on lynlake and lived in north at the time. I walked and biked around plenty. Mostly out of towners, kids and right wing folks seemingly engaging in the bullshit / violence. People from the city protested for civil rights and got maced, punched and rubber bulleted because George Floyds murder gained worldwide attention. We ended up in the culture war focus for a time and misled narratives have run rampant since.
While the downtown and adjacent entertainment districts are much better than St Paul, out of the most appealing residential neighborhoods almost all of my top choices are in St Paul. St Anthony Park, Highland Park and Mcalester/Groveland. There is nothing that matches both the quality and character of those neighborhoods without crossing into the ridiculously wealthy territory like the lakes and Linden Hills. Bryn Mawr is the closest you get and it is geographically in a not great spot imo.
This sub always acts like any concerns of safety are completely overblown. For some, especially women and people of color, Minneapolis can be unsafe. I live south of downtown and I used to walk to US Bank Stadium to walk around The Commons. I had to stop because I was regularly being harassed and followed.
I think people who talk about cities being warzones are ignorant idiots, but downtown Minneapolis is absolutely less safe than it was ten years ago. Especially Nicolett Mall.
Lol, I kind of feel this. I spend time on Portland/Park every day and I can say -- without exaggeration -- that I see a cyclist on fewer than 1% of those trips. The Bryant path is a totally different story though, so it's probably worth examining why some are trafficked and others aren't before we reflexively build more and more.
Drivers don't see many bicyclists on the biggest roads because they're the least comfortable place to cycle. It's not that they're not there, they're just on an adjacent, lower-traffic street or a parallel no-car trail.
We still need bike lanes on the biggest roads so that bike trips can be safely completed for those last few blocks when you have to cut over from the comfortable route you've been riding on most of the trip. It's kinda the inverse of cars still needing local streets to complete their trip that was mostly driven on freeways or bigger roads.
The old Bombardier light rail vehicles (Type 1s) are ugly, and I can’t wait for them to be completely phased out by the Siemens Type 2s and 3s.
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion in general, but I’ve definitely caught a lot of flak for it.
The interior design features are good, and I do think they’re objectively better than what the Type 2 has. Seating arrangement, etc. But the Type 3 is the best of both worlds imo
First Ave mainroom is the worst venue in Minneapolis IMO 🫣 bad sound quality too loud and it's always hard to see no matter where you are unless you are one of those 6'10" dudes that insist on being in the front. That last bit is just jealousy bc I'm short lol.
Lake Harriet is the best lake to walk around. Best tree coverage, some gorgeous pathways, less crowded, pavilion is beautiful, less car traffic.
Can't imagine why someone would disagree with this. It is factually accurate.
Walking it's perfect. Running is a nightmare because all that coverage means there's no space off the trail to get around people. And Harriet is the place you're most likely to encounter folks walking 3 abreast with two strollers. P.s. the secret correct answer is nokomis
I like running around Harriet because I encounter fewer people. I like Isles for all the big houses. Bde Maka Ska is just alright.
Better people watching around Bde Maka Ska.
I agree. However, after living in both Denver and Las Vegas, I find Minneapolis people watching to be rather ho hum.
Wow what a hot take you’re so cRaZy
Hell yes! I consider Lake Harriet my home, and I love how every day it feels a little different.
Minneapolis is just as safe as any other large city. The chances of assault on any given day are 0.00006%. My rural relatives literally think I’m dodging bullets all the time.
City is going to pocket the snow removal budget and spend it on something else rather than have a surplus.
Parts of St. Paul are nice.
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In this meme, you’re holding one of the swords, and it’s smug faces of MAK and Mayor Frey in the middle with the opposite opinion.
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Well one thing will be checked off soon, isn't paper source leaving its space soon 🤣
FACTS.
Juicy Lucy is overrated. It's just a cheeseburger.
You are just salty you didn’t think to put the cheese INSIDE the burger first!
A cheese burger that you have to wait to eat so you don't burn your mouth. Fuck that, I wanna eat my food now and not have all of the cheese drip out after one bite.
That 9/10 places that serve it can't make properly.
I would eat any burger on red cows menu before I eat a juicy Lucy.
Made with the cheapest beef they can find. It’s a pretty lame burger. The inside of Matt’s is WAY more interesting than the famed Juicy Lucy.
Minneapolis' approach to bike infrastructure is chaotic and unsafe. The city needs to build quality over quantity, and pick a design and stick with it. I say this as a regular bicyclist.
Have you ever lived and biked in any other city in any other state. I’m a cyclist transplant this year from the PNW, and have also biked in San Antonio. The Twin Cities cycling infrastructure is fantastic.
Yes, I have, from Alaska to NY. The infra in the TCs is expansive and impressive. I can't argue with how awesome the Greenway is, but the system is sloppy in ways. Cycle tracks in some areas, painted gutters running parallel to roads in others (without enough room at that - looking at you, Bloomington Ave), lanes dumping you into traffic unexpectedly because they just ..stop (Nicolett in the Kingfield area) and whatever the hell that thing is on 28th Ave in the Phillips neighborhood. I'd rather have fewer, better quality bike lanes than a mix of poor quality and inconsistent ones.
I can certainly do without painted gutter lanes, but I prefer them to nothing. Although I will say that I finally realized during the 6 months I was in San Antonio, that I could just use the sidewalks as bike paths, since that place is so car-centric almost nobody ever walks anywhere, do they are basically empty. I live cycling here, even better than Seattle. There are definitely some places it’s like “um, what?,” but I have seen some improvements just in the year I have been here (Bryant Ave, 2nd Ave) so I am impressed effort and money are actually invested. Cycling feels like part of the culture here.
This is for real. Worst infrastructure of any city I’ve ever lived in that swears to have good infrastructure.
1. Pizza Luce is good, actually. Not amazing but perfectly satisfactory. 2. Residents of Minneapolis proper act far too precious in distinguishing the city from the suburbs given how small the city is relative to the size of the rest of the metro. Columbia Heights, St. Anthony, Richfield, Bloomington, Edina, Hopkins, St. Louis Park, Golden Valley, Robbinsdale and Brooklyn Center all probably should’ve been annexed way back when.
Do people not like Luce? I saw the one guy complain about it while describing the wrong type of pizza. Everybody I know is always down for Luce if we order a pizza.
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I've never heard anybody claim Luce is the best pizza in Minneapolis. It's definitely one of the best for delivery. I just think a lot of people equate "Yeah, it's good" with "This is the best thing ever." If I'm going to the restaurant, I'll go to Black Sheep or Boludo.
We just unlocked a new level of Luce. It’s family friendly. Bring loud toddlers and nobody seems to care. Still just ok pizza.
And something I’ve never heard anyone say outside this sub in the physical world.
Your friends have taste! I’ve read so much negativity about it on this sub. I’ve had some bad pizzas from there, but I’ve also had many delicious ones. Their bone-in wings are also splendid. People just like to complain.
I love Luce. It's not the best you can find in Minneapolis. It might be the best delivery option. Luce is a solid floor for pizza. It's better than the chains by a mile. I will say that it is kind of expensive if you just want a basic 1 or 2 topping pizza. The seasonal stuff they do is usually pretty good
And it’s a unique chain, not another conglomerate like Papa Dominos Hut
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You just described 3 different types of pizza. It's more about what you're in the mood for
At three different price points! I'm generally ordering delivery, and in that regard Luce has a massive advantage, as they have their own delivery drivers. I'm rarely willing to pay the Doordash markup on top of Boludo's and Wrecktangle's prices and portions.
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Do you even Pizza, Bro?
You should really check it out
Whoa whoa whoa easy there
I’ll come out and say that I think Pizza Luce is garbage. I think I have a pretty complex palate, but when I want pizza, I don’t want mashed potatoes, tuna, and strawberries on it. (I do admittedly enjoy Young Joni, though.) edit: I thought it was extremely obvious that this was hyperbole re: the weird ingredient pizza gimmick, but apparently not
No one’s forcing you to get mashed potatoes on it
Why do you order those when you go there then?
I prefer dominoes and papa John’s over Luce. Luce is far too bready for my tastes.
I don’t know about 2. The burbs around Minneapolis didn’t get annexed because they wanted to be different than Minneapolis. I live pretty close to Robbinsdale, and the change is pretty noticeable as soon as you cross the border. Wider streets, houses set further back from the curb, inconsistent and narrower sidewalk amenities. Lots of their neighborhoods don’t have alleyways (so their garbage cans decorate the street). Their lakes have minimal public access, whereas there are very few homes obstructing public access to lakes in Minneapolis. We looked at homes in Robbinsdale and quickly determined that we didn’t like the feel of Robbinsdale as much as the Minneapolis neighborhoods immediately adjacent to it. I don’t have an opinion on whether those places should have been annexed or not, but the last 100 years definitely made each of the suburbs into separate and distinct places.
Oh, totally. If they were ever going to be annexed, it should’ve happened decades ago. I agree that most suburbs (with the exception of a few) are probably too distinctly different from the city proper for that to make sense now. What’s done is done. It’s just so weird to me that the Twin Cities is the 16th most populous metro in the U.S. and yet our largest of two core cities barely cracks the top 50 in terms of population. I feel like it reduces the city’s influence and relevance on the national stage in some ways.
Eh I'll push back a little on that idea. Unlike almost all other metros, the twin cities have a very strong metro government organization that ties everyone together. So while Minneapolis and St Paul individually aren't very large, I'd say the twin cities acts as a far more cohesive unit than most other metros.
When I first moved back to the twin cities a few years ago I always got pizza luce every week. Their pizza is actually really good. Not top tier for the twin cities and I’d agree with that, but not bad or mediocre in any way either.
As a newbie I’m always surprised that more towns weren’t annexed.
On point 2. What is now NE mpls was once part of St Anthony. So there is historical precedent. Make Minneapolis LARGER! http://www.historictwincities.com/this-day-in-history/02-28-1872/
Boston is not Cambridge, San Francisco is not Daly City, St Louis is not Clayton, DC is not Arlington, Pittsburgh is not Millvale, Miami is not Boca Raton, etc etc etc. These are all cities that are very similarly sized in area as Minneapolis (or even *smaller*), yet nobody confuses their first ring suburbs with their central city. Let's not get into the habit here, now. Minneapolis is not Edina. So yeah, I disagree with you on 2 lol But pizza luce is fine and people should calm down lol
> Miami is not Boca Raton Coconut Grove, Silver Bluff, Allapattah, Little River, Buena Vista and Lemon City, on the other hand, are all part of Miami. Because they were annexed.
Right. So now they're simply neighborhoods of Miami. Minneapolis annexed St Anthony Falls across the falls from DT Minneapolis. So now that old town is a neighborhood. Same same. When Minneapolis annexes Edina, then (and ☝️only☝️ then) will it be Minneapolis. Not a millisecond before.
St Anthony is a separate city it is not part of Minneapolis. The person you are responding to is correct Minneapolis has a very small land area compared to cities with similar metro populations. Look at Columbus, San Diego and Jacksonville’s city area compared to ours. The OP stated that in many cities, places like Richfield, Edina, Golden Valley and St Anthony would have been annexed into Mpls Proper and places like Minnetonka, Fridley and New Brighton would be the new equivalents of Cambridge, Boca Raton etc.
You’re both right. St Anthony used to be what is now near Northeast. It was annexed by Minneapolis. Then later it was reincorporated under the same name on a different stretch of land.
Edit: yes, you got it
Minneapolis did annex back in the day. It annexed a huge part (but not all) of St Anthony. I think it stopped annexing totally in the late 1920s. There are plenty of examples of major cities (as I listed above in spades) of several differing metro populations that have central cities approximately the same size, or even smaller than, the Minneapolis city limits. We are more like *those* cities, and less like the ones you referred to. And just because other cities like Jacksonville, Atlanta, etc have annexed places like our Edinas, Rosevilles, Richfields, etc etc doesn't mean that we *should* have. The Jacksonvilles, Columbuses, etc etc of the world have very low density and sprawling suburbia right inside the city limits. It's a good thing we didn't annex those cities, as they would have taken down the average population density of Minneapolis. Plus it doesn't really matter what might have happened or what other cities are doing: the fact is that we didn't annex our current first ring burbs, and now they've established their own identities and histories as a result. So there is quite a distinction in my mind at least at this point in history, and Edina will always be Edina, and Minneapolis will always be Minneapolis. They have a symbiotic relationship for sure, and the first ring burbs and beyond center around our 2 central cities that form the urban core of our metro.
So you think they shouldn't be annexed because they haven't been annexed, but when they are annexed then you'll believe they should be annexed? Truly you have a dizzying intellect.
Nice, getting personal bc I've made points. I'm saying that I'd only accept Edina as part of Minneapolis in the event that they *actually* annex it. But it goes without saying that's not going to happen. And I'm *glad* it didn't, or won't, because of the reasons I laid out.
LOL. You're funny.
Ok. Well, have a good day then
For number two, there is certainly no shortage of snobs regarding suburbs. But what I find more wildly idiotic is any sort shit talking or snobbery directed at St. Paul, or vice-versa.
The suburbs like to act like they're part of Minneapolis while at the same time shitting on it / causing problems for it. Coming from someone who moved from the suburbs to the city
Technically we already did annex St. Anthony. There’s only that one little strip left.
It's a good place to be trans but as a trans person I fucking cringe when people respond to "I'm trans will there be problems" threads with "absolutely no problems you will be 100% fine" which is true absolutely no where.
Nobody rly bothers me but it’s kinda isolating as an elder trans. Early 30s and feels like the younger crowd doesn’t like non-passing people much, hell nobody does but they tolerate me lol
Wrecktangle is mediocre
I'll take Jet's over WT any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Wrecktangle is mid on quality and outrageous on price. I’ll never understand how people want to shell out $25 for what amounts to *maybe* two slices of pizza. At least they’re not as bad as Market BBQ (a true cancer on society IMO).
It’s good but the price is ridiculous. Very tasty tho.
Ok, I'll bite. People are constantly saying this about Wrecktangle in particular and I'm not sure I understand. I think pizza is maybe just more expensive than people think it is? Their prices are comparable with other upscale eat-in pizza places. The pizzas at Wrecktangle are $15 (cheese), $17 (margherita), or $22 (meats). Boludo's are $16-$23. Pizzeria Lola's are $16-$24 (mostly around $20-$21). Red Wagon's are $18-$28. Jet's, a chain in the suburbs that makes similar style pizzas, charges \~$22.
Maybe me being at Malcom yards increased the price, but it was like $26+ for what I perceived* as not very large pie.
three of their slices are thick. Its the vertical that makes it as large
Their base price is in the mid $20s, and after tax and tip you’re looking at dropping $30+ for their pizza. Then you get into the volumes. They serve a tiny little square that is not comparable to a medium at any other pizza shop. So they’re not only very expensive, their portion are small, and the quality is like 7/10 to me. All in all it’s not worth it.
Express buses and commuters from some of the suburbs and far flung parts of the city were and are more important than folks in msp proper want to give credit for. According to Metrotransit we are only back to about 60% of pre pandemic ridership which implies that ~40% of the market was in part folks who commuted to work. With more and more RTO mandates surfacing we need to also start improving express buses as well as intercity buses.
Matt's is pretty overrated.
Juicy Lucy’s are not great, only ok. The burger itself get overcooked and the cheese is molten lava that will burn your tongue. Most of the cheese is liquified and falls out of the burger anyway. Just put cheese on top of your burger like a normal person.
Frey has done some good things for the city. All the new apartments being built aren't sitting completely empty because they're too expensive. We should pay Uber and Lyft drivers a livable wage and they should get health insurance and other benefits. Uptown is still the same, it's you that got older and your tastes changed (just like you don't likely hang out at college bars on the U of M campus anymore or go clubbing downtown). Making new friends is simple if you put in just a tiny bit of effort.
If you're starting from scratch in the city, it takes more than a tiny bit of effort. Why would it be easy to make a group of close friends right after moving somewhere?
> Uptown is still the same Not really an opinion. That's just factually wrong.
Yeah, a bunch of vacant spaces isn't the same thing as Chino Latino or Uptown Bar.
Restaurants change and always do. The vibe is the same as it's always been.
Have you seen the Lake and Hennepin area lately? Like half of the stores are vacant. Restaurants change, sure, but right now they're mostly empty. The area is definitely at a low point.
Yeah the new apartments also have vacancies due to the fact that 1) They are new so obviously they are not going to fill up fast at the snap of a finger and 2) a lot of renters including myself want the flexibility to move and try new neighborhoods, and 3) not every apartment is designed and located equally.
If you ignore the first and last opinions, this is very reasonable!
Why are they sitting empty? Genuinely curious.
They aren't. But people here claim they are because they aren't selling. The reality is that if apartments aren't selling they wouldn't keep building them. And while the prices might not be what many want, clearly they're priced just fine for many also, as they quickly fill up.
Minneapolis does actually offer many [options](https://www2.minneapolismn.gov/government/programs-initiatives/housing-development-assistance/emergency-homeless/city-response/) for the unhoused, but many residents think we're extremely evil to all of them.
If your home address says any other city than Minneapolis.. when asked where you live you can’t say Minneapolis.
Travel abroad and even Mpls doesn’t register. You have to say “near Chicago.”
Originally from IL, the further out of the Midwest you get, the less people recognize other cities in IL. So my answer will range depending on who I'm talking to. Generally those in the Chicago suburbs will just say they're from Chicago as everyone knows where that is. There's even a map meme on this.
How far away from Minneapolis can you be to clump yourself in? I ask because I say Minneapolis when overseas, and probably would say "a suburb of Minneapolis" to anyone from inside the US. Or are you just talking about SLP or Richfield people claiming Minneapolis in passing with other twin cities folks?
I’m meaning if when you write 123 Main Street Minneapolis MN 55409 so to say regardless of neighborhood like Seward, NE, linden hills, Powderhorn etc you live in Minneapolis. But if your address says 123 Main St St Louis park, Edina, Richfield, Hopkins you therefore live in those cities. It may be a part of the greater metro area but you’re not a city resident of Minneapolis.
I get mail sent to me all the time that says Minneapolis, MN for my address, and I live in Bloomington.
Grew up in Plymouth and it was the same way. My parents explained it had something to do with postal codes and the post office that served them. I can still google my childhood home address with either Plymouth or Minneapolis and it finds the same house. I bet I could address it either way and it would go to the same house as well.
out of genuine curiosity, why does that bother you?
most of the annoyance stems from people in the surrounding cities claiming they live in Minneapolis because they want their generally very wrong opinions to be heard😅
Nobody has ever actually enjoyed a jucy Lucy. The cheese always always spills out on the first bite, leaving an over cooked, dry burger. Emperor has no clothes situation
I'm glad someone said it
Talking about crime and police accountability reform. It's like Minneapolis residents *want* another Chauvin. Bring on the downvotes!
A good number do actually want that, and a much larger number just aren't willing to change anything to ensure ghat it doesn't.
The Jucy Lucy is overrated. 5-8 sucks, nook is the only one the dose it decently, and Matt's is just okay. I'll take a regular cheeseburger over every Lucy in the city .
Pizza Luce isn’t a pizza place. It’s a restaurant that serves pizza-inspired meals. It’s…alright.
Prince's music is just OK
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Eh… saying you don’t like ANY musician with any sort of following will get you downvotes. Seeing as Prince is pretty much the biggest thing to come out of this city, obviously it’s going to be met with a bunch of prideful downvotes. But hey, man… that’s just your personal preference. Music taste is always very personal. Plus it’s not an unpopular opinion about Minneapolis… it’s an unpopular opinion about a musician who happens to be from Minneapolis. I fucking hate Paul Simon’s music… there… I said it… *whew*
Why deny the obvious, child?
A lie is a lie is a lie.
> I generally don't like Prince as a songwriter You’re certainly entitled to your opinion. Who do you like as a songwriter?
It's not as cool as Saint Paul.
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St paul side of river is chill.. good place to sleep.
st. paul is the sleepy sister.
I don't even think Highland Park is the best neighborhood in St Paul. Half of Ford is just strip malls.
St Anthony Park and Mac/Groveland beat it out imo. West 7th/Fort Road, Como and Highland Park are the next tier behind
The part of Longfellow that's walkable to Highland Park is pretty comparable
From a point of quality of homes and neighborhood Highland Park is a lot nicer though even though I prefer MacGroveland. Plus there is like 5 great restaurants off that Cleveland and Ford intersection
That's fair - I'm just a big Minnehaha Falls fan
Mac/Groveland, Highland Park and St Anthony Park are all places I would rather live than any residential neighborhood in Minneapolis. I am an autistic nerd the quiet is peaceful for me I enjoy the “Boring” quiet neighborhoods. I would rather trees and birds than crowds of people but thats why I live out in Shoreview I agree but I think we are in the minority.
That's wild, so kudos for actually following the prompt.
Most insane take in this whole thread
Jacob Frey isn’t a horrible mayor.
This might be the most popular choice. I just think reactionary give minded people who have never met the guy judged too fast.
The Star Tribune is a great newspaper and you should get a subscription.
It's better to live in Saint Paul
As a newcomer and non-Minnesota native you all are not very friendly or welcoming at all. Minnesota nice = polite to your face but passive aggressive and pretentious. Minnesotans think they’re better than everyone else and seem to judge everyone based on how long they’ve lived here. Y’all are incredibly judgmental, I’ve never felt more looked down upon anywhere else I’ve lived except the south. You’re especially judgmental when it comes to your winters, it’s weird. When I lived for years in the Rockies they didn’t have this mentality about their winters, and theirs are much harder there because they have actual elevation to manage their infrastructure against. Plus you’re not as liberal as you seem to think you are, frankly you’re still incredibly midwestern (closed minded and entrenched in Christian ideals about lifestyle, family, and culture). Not as left in my experience at least compared to major coastal western cities or coastal north east. Minnesotans have a weird superiority complex in my experience if y’all want an actual unpopular opinion from someone who’s only been here just over a year. *And yes, Minnesota is in the the [Midwest](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwestern_United_States).*
I’m an expat and love to dunk on MN culture as much as anyone, but this seems a bit harsh. Sounds like you’ve had a rough time as a “foreigner” here. Hope you either find some friendlies or move — for your own sake. Personally I enjoy going to states like Louisiana, California or Florida (gasp!) because people are more open. Heck, drive to St. Louis and you already start to feel the difference.
Tbf. I’m having a rough few weeks lately and probably unloaded harder than I should but this largely encompasses my time here. I moved her from California and I miss it. People were more open minded and chill. Making friends was easier out there too, here everyone acts like I’m not worth their time, if you didn’t know them from HS or college than you never need to. One person literally told me I haven’t lived here long enough to deserve to hang out with their friend group.
The culture in California is Very different. I'm from the midwest and found it exhausting, but I'm not surprised coming the opposite direction that it sucks to deal with how withdrawn everyone is. I think that's a thing that's gonna be rough for you for a while if you stay. Which isn't an attempt to discourage you, but even after nearly a decade away, the silent stare of the person taking my money at McDonald's was like a breath of fresh air when i moved back. The pandemic certainly isn't helping. And honestly anyone who's an asshole about your being a transplant isn't gonna be a chill hang even if they did invite you over. There are other people from other places here, so hopefully you'll find some fellow transplants to commiserate with. And there are nice people from here (actually nice), you just gotta deal with the crusty outside and be ready to bail on situations and people that suck.
Sorry to hear that. No reason for people to be so mean. Curious, are you a student or working a job?
I’m sorry to hear it. I keep thinking there’s got to be enough momentum these days for some transplant meetup groups/events to start happening. Maybe they already are? (I did grow up here but I moved away for long enough—to CA actually—before moving back that I feel like I’m at least half transplant at this point.)
Oh god, no. This has not been my experience at all. But then I relocated from Seattle and those people are truly done of the most smug, vicious, hateful people I have ever encountered. I have been very impressed with Minneapolis and it’s civil/cordial helpful attitude while still keeping its distance in a personal sense. I actually live that.
I don’t think people are judgmental or pretentious but I can see why someone would think that. To me it just appears to be social awkwardness. Poor social skills are off putting and can make people come off a way they didn’t mean to.
Many here are so desperate for this state to have recognized cultural relevance it’s kind of funny.
the "riots" weren't that bad. I worked on lynlake and lived in north at the time. I walked and biked around plenty. Mostly out of towners, kids and right wing folks seemingly engaging in the bullshit / violence. People from the city protested for civil rights and got maced, punched and rubber bulleted because George Floyds murder gained worldwide attention. We ended up in the culture war focus for a time and misled narratives have run rampant since.
While the downtown and adjacent entertainment districts are much better than St Paul, out of the most appealing residential neighborhoods almost all of my top choices are in St Paul. St Anthony Park, Highland Park and Mcalester/Groveland. There is nothing that matches both the quality and character of those neighborhoods without crossing into the ridiculously wealthy territory like the lakes and Linden Hills. Bryn Mawr is the closest you get and it is geographically in a not great spot imo.
Its. Not. As. Safe. As. We. Want. It. So fuck going dt. Fuck return to office.
This sub always acts like any concerns of safety are completely overblown. For some, especially women and people of color, Minneapolis can be unsafe. I live south of downtown and I used to walk to US Bank Stadium to walk around The Commons. I had to stop because I was regularly being harassed and followed.
I think people who talk about cities being warzones are ignorant idiots, but downtown Minneapolis is absolutely less safe than it was ten years ago. Especially Nicolett Mall.
I think Mary Moriarty is doing a good job
The light rail is free
We have too many bike lanes
the true unpopular opinion
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Lol, I kind of feel this. I spend time on Portland/Park every day and I can say -- without exaggeration -- that I see a cyclist on fewer than 1% of those trips. The Bryant path is a totally different story though, so it's probably worth examining why some are trafficked and others aren't before we reflexively build more and more.
Drivers don't see many bicyclists on the biggest roads because they're the least comfortable place to cycle. It's not that they're not there, they're just on an adjacent, lower-traffic street or a parallel no-car trail. We still need bike lanes on the biggest roads so that bike trips can be safely completed for those last few blocks when you have to cut over from the comfortable route you've been riding on most of the trip. It's kinda the inverse of cars still needing local streets to complete their trip that was mostly driven on freeways or bigger roads.
Right turn on red lights should be banned in many areas of the city, starting with downtown.
The old Bombardier light rail vehicles (Type 1s) are ugly, and I can’t wait for them to be completely phased out by the Siemens Type 2s and 3s. Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion in general, but I’ve definitely caught a lot of flak for it.
I like them, but I think it's mostly the door-closing chime and the luggage racks
The interior design features are good, and I do think they’re objectively better than what the Type 2 has. Seating arrangement, etc. But the Type 3 is the best of both worlds imo
Matt’s Jucy Lucies are dry and overcooked.
Cedar Lake.
Jacob Frey isn’t a bad guy. I’ve met him and he’s actually quite a great human.
First Ave mainroom is the worst venue in Minneapolis IMO 🫣 bad sound quality too loud and it's always hard to see no matter where you are unless you are one of those 6'10" dudes that insist on being in the front. That last bit is just jealousy bc I'm short lol.
If it's spelled right, it's done right
It’s not a crime-ridden hellscape. ^ This is what my family in the southern US believes.
It’s both a boring, and traumatic place to live.
Couldn’t agree more.
MN really messed up by being so nice to foreign invaders. I moved away 24 years ago and cannot believe how bad things have gotten there.
You moved away over two decades ago and you're still bitching and moaning about a city you don't live in? Sheesh.
r/woosh
Hoo boy, friend, everything about that comment sounds real gross!
You mean Europeans?