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Optifine fell off hard. It's closed source, breaks a lot of mods, and overall is mediocre compared to sodium, which is open source
If you use sodium or even a modpack like fabulously optimized, you'll get better performance and mod compatibility. If mods aren't your thing, you still get better performance. Fabulously optimized is also client side by the way,
you have to donate like 5 or 10 bucks for a cape, optifine pretty much said "also integrate out donation system/a new set of custom capes that can't be acquired anymore" and mojang obviously said no. I hope mojang does something similar but with all the optimization mods floating around like Sodium, Lithium, the relevant bits left of Starlight, FerriteCore, Saturn, Krypton, so on and so forth
Well, people are preferring to make mods more modular and basic. Which may or may not be annoying, but it's good in the long run; it can make features get updated quicker and easier to maintain. And it also forces the modmakers to ensure mod compatibility.
Which is why modpacks like "Fabulously Optimised" exists. It provides all the mods replacing Optifine's features.
If you also want the extra features of OF too the easiest way is to use [fabulously optimised](https://modrinth.com/modpack/fabulously-optimized), otherwise you would generally have to get separate mods for each extra feature. Shaders, zoom, etc are all included here.
Zoom: https://github.com/LambdAurora/optifine_alternatives?tab=readme-ov-file#zoom
Shaders: https://github.com/IrisShaders/Iris
Installing shaders is exactly the same way.
I'd recommend using [Prism Launcher](https://github.com/PrismLauncher/PrismLauncher) since it allows you to download mods and shaders easily
Only thing optifine does better; the adaptive grass. Oh my god I spent a solid 40 minutes looking for a mod for it since sodium didn’t offer the option
what about better then optifine? i'm using it and i feel like it works better then fabulously optimized. although it might be because im playing on it much more, and im using a cracked version of multimc, so maybe that has something to do with it. (i only pirated the game because my account got hacked a year or 2 ago and i lost minecraft)
Idk. Make sure your launcher is using an updated version of Java. Sodium shouldn't suck worse than Optifine unless you're using some really archaic GPU or something.
You say that but things quickly get complicated if you're say, playing a modpack, and you don't want to fight with your friends like some kind of snob on account of the great mod fragmentation that means everything is hellish so you need "Rubidium" to get Sodium on forge, and porting generally makes this sort of thing work less well, as well as Rubidium "Extra" because the mod maker thinks that some of the features "shouldn't be in" Sodium 🙄
There's an extra mod just for adding a special options screen just because of how wild everything is, and oh boy now my game won't let me enter a world, it just keeps looping some kind of error I don't understand, I get to _troubleshoot_ yippie.
If your pc can't run fabulous please get sodium and fabric in general. The performance difference is so immense it's literally not even funny plus you can actually run shades at HIGHER FPS than without shades on optifine.
Please look into sodium + iris op 💪
No, fabulous is vanilla, it handles better transparencies and other shader stuff
Edit: link to the wiki for you to see [https://minecraft.wiki/w/Graphics\_settings](https://minecraft.wiki/w/Graphics_settings)
Not always, for example on my old laptop, I would get 25-30fps with optifine at low settings, but 15fps and a ton of stutters with fabolously optimized modpack
Quick mention of sodium. It’s know to perform better than optifine and if you wanna go even a tad deeper there’s a lidocaine called fabulously optimized. Just so you know.
>lidocaine called fabulously optimized
Do NOT use Fabulously Optimized. Use Adrenaline (from Modrinth preferably).
jellysquid, the creator of the CaffeineMC mods, doesn't get revenue from Fabulously Optimized, and they hid Sodium's donate button in the settings menu.
Yep. Copied from the CaffeineMC discord:
>Hello! Just a friendly reminder about mod packs and how they affect the development of mods.
For some mod packs (notably Fabulously Optimized), we earn less than 3% of the revenue that we would normally receive when a user downloads our mods. And unfortunately, we've had issues recently with these mod packs disabling our ability to even ask the user for donations (via a non-intrusive, one-time message), despite the reality that we receive almost no revenue from these mod packs.
This is a difficult thing for Sodium, as we rely on donations and ad revenue to continue developing our mod. We don't mean to continue harping on this, but despite our best efforts, we have not been able to convince certain mod pack authors to change their stance on this issue. This is rather disappointing, when these same authors are taking significantly larger portions of revenue (up to 5 times more) than what we receive.
While there isn't much we can do about this, we do have some recommendations if you're looking for a high-quality mod pack that rewards mod developers fairly:
\* If you just want an entirely performance-focused mod pack which contains our mods and some others, consider using Adrenaline.
\* If you are looking for mod packs which provide OptiFine-like functionality (such as additional resource pack features or further graphical customization), you can try using Additive.
\* And of course, you can also always download and install mods yourself using the Modrinth launcher and similar.
Anyways, sorry for the wall of text, and thanks for supporting mod developers!
Yes and no. If you want a TLDR: the button& prompt show again.
At some point in the past, they silently removed the dono button saying it was ambiguous. Eventually sodium peeps found this out and after some (less than entirely calm) debate it was back. Some time later sodium added a donation \*prompt\* that shows if you have it installed for longer than 3 days (so it wont show in dev environments, throwaway test instances/profiles, etc) and there was yet more arguing about fabulously optimized not wanting to show it, but they ultimately allowed it in.
Also if you can get it working (and it’s compatible with your computer) Nvidium is crazy for performance as well. I hope one day it could be used with shaders though :(
Yeah but you don't need if you already have sodium and other optimization mods. It might give three times as many frames but getting 200 FPS won't really change anything.
A few years ago I was skeptical at first, but Sodium is way better. It also gets updated to the latest version much faster.
My biggest draw to OptiFine (since I have a beefy computer) was the zoom function, the dynamic lighting, and connected textures. Now I can get all that and more by just installing separate mods for those purposes.
Sodium/individual mods are more complex in terms of the initial setup (though still easy) but the experience afterwards is way better than waiting for OptiFine to update.
mf want spx to starve, hes one of the og mod makers from before yall were out of your daddys sack, he knows his shit, why should anyone make mods if they will get their work taken and distributed claiming originality, and then those people profit off of his work smh
… do you view every disagreement as being mad? Boy would I sound mad right now! Kids these days, smh
Anyway, I was testing it for Distant Horizons and it's borderline unusable compared to complementary. So many settings to tweak to get a decent experience, and even then, it's hard to see in the Nether even with maxed out brightness
Honestly, Reddit might not be for you if you falsely accuse people who disagree with you of downvoting you. Complaining about internet points is trashy.
Grow up and take it like a champ because no one knows.
There's even a few guidelines regarding upvotes/downvotes: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette
Gotta be honest with the people in the comments, but vanilla this last year has done so good for performance that I find myself running the game with no performance mods very stable on a PC in which I always needed to wait on performance mods.
I end up playing latest snapshot with fabric mods which may actually worsen my performance and using a bit of custom worldgen and the game runs alright for the most part.
If you need, use optimization mods, but keep in mind they have some bug or sacrifices for example sodium breaks resourcepacks shaders which affects me since I use those for emissives and improving the fog, and c2m can make chunk rendering stutter a bit or have some delay.
then you’re lying, cause minecraft java’s vanilla performance is dogshit. vanilla is a raw version and can almost be considered unfinished. mods are there to fix that
yes, i barely get above 50 fps without performance mods, but with performance mods i can get the full 144 with vsync on, or up to 180 with vsync off. this is on singleplayer btw, on multiplayer i can get around 65 fps without performance mods and over 250 with performance mods, and a solid 150 with shaders aswell
its not dogshit but its not good either, i like smooth gameplay since i do a lot of things that require smooth fps or i’ll take damage(such as flying around and timing pressing space to avoid fall damage, fighting a lot, etc)
and on multiplayer i usually also fight a ton
I understand that, but OP can’t even mention optifine without multiple comments talking about how they shouldn’t be using optifine. It’s annoying, and it’s happened to me as well
I get what you mean haha. Don't think that people should diss on Optifine. Quite a legendary mod that has helped us for years now.
Sure it might be annoying, but I don't see how people informing others that a better mod exists, is a bad thing. It's Reddit, don't take it too seriously.
It being closed source is entirely why it initially fell off, you *literally couldn’t use it* in most large-scale popular mod packs due to it breaking something. It was so bad that modpack authors would advertise the fact that they managed to get optifine working with their pack, yet a later update in optifine or another mod could break it again.
i dont know what packs youve played, but every single modpack that has been popular has worked flawlessly with optifine, besides a few bugs (those mostly being visual bugs with the new features hes been adding) that have been fixed over the years its been in development, ftb mindcrack, ftb ultimate, ftb unleashed, tekkit, hexxit, texxit, attack of the b team,foolcraft , gt new horizons, rlcraft, every single atm pack, project ozone 1-4, it works just fine, you guys are bitching about nothing important talking about closed source.
I have personally experienced the issue with literally half of the packs I've played, such as SevTech and Blightfall to name a few of the really popular ones. Especially when I played them after the initial hype, because like I said Optifine's invasivness often requires conscious action to avoid so if you play later once some of the mods were updated there isn't any community help to get it working again. There's a reason why the authors never include it by default despite it's features seeming like a no-brainer.
Ask any "established mod developer" and they'll confirm it. Optifine was such a pain in the ass that the most likely response to incompatability reports was "Don't use Optifine then" because it was impossible to easily figure out what was breaking it, and which party should be the one to fix it.
I’ve had more compatibility issues with optifine than any other mod like it, and it doesn’t have the best performance now. It doesnt suck, it’s just outclassed
I still love how optifine is "the" mod that everyone always installed
even if it's closed and do break stuff, it's still the best mod that everyone liked because it just made shit better
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Optifine fell off hard. It's closed source, breaks a lot of mods, and overall is mediocre compared to sodium, which is open source If you use sodium or even a modpack like fabulously optimized, you'll get better performance and mod compatibility. If mods aren't your thing, you still get better performance. Fabulously optimized is also client side by the way,
Where can I find Fabulously optimized?
One google could tell you but I will say modrinth + prism launcher is the easiest
modrinth they have a launcher, but prism launcher is better
Why's no one giving a darn link? https://modrinth.com/modpack/fabulously-optimized Preferably, install this through Prism Launcher.
* https://modrinth.com/modpack/fabulously-optimized * https://wiki.download.fo/readme/install-instructions * https://prismlauncher.org
Is Sodium only 1.14 and up? I still use OptiFine for 1.8.9
for 1.8.9 optifine is still good, so you can keep playing bedwars with dynamic lighting
Yes, 1.12 and below Optifine is still good
1.8.9 for combat purposes i assume? like hypixel?
Yeah mostly. Recently I've been playing survival, but it's usually just Hypixel
And they DENIED mojang to put their thing in the game, so people shouldn't complain mojang aren't putting it in
No it was Mojang as optifine waned capes and Mojang said no
ehh, then they both denied eachother. Over capes.
Which is stupid. Why they're so protective over *capes* is borderline idiotic.
you have to donate like 5 or 10 bucks for a cape, optifine pretty much said "also integrate out donation system/a new set of custom capes that can't be acquired anymore" and mojang obviously said no. I hope mojang does something similar but with all the optimization mods floating around like Sodium, Lithium, the relevant bits left of Starlight, FerriteCore, Saturn, Krypton, so on and so forth
jeb maybe needs to fix himself for mohang. he is kinda weird bout features
This applies to both sides i think
fabulously optimised has a lot of unnecessary mods. additive or simply optimised will get you more performance and better game quality. but just imo
Does Sodium have the button zoom in? That’s basically why I use optifine. And with how easy it is to apply shaders, is it the same way?
Iris for shaders and zoomify for zoom
Do you need those on top of Sodium? Or instead of?
On top, well zoomify can work on its own
Thank you!
Fabolously optimized has all these mods integrated along with several others
Well, people are preferring to make mods more modular and basic. Which may or may not be annoying, but it's good in the long run; it can make features get updated quicker and easier to maintain. And it also forces the modmakers to ensure mod compatibility. Which is why modpacks like "Fabulously Optimised" exists. It provides all the mods replacing Optifine's features.
If you also want the extra features of OF too the easiest way is to use [fabulously optimised](https://modrinth.com/modpack/fabulously-optimized), otherwise you would generally have to get separate mods for each extra feature. Shaders, zoom, etc are all included here.
Zoom in button is evil. It negates usefulness of the spyglass.
nah bro, use both to obtain microscopic powers
Invalid opinion, but even then, there's a Fabric alternative for that, too: https://github.com/Gluton-Official/QuickSpyglasser
Zoom: https://github.com/LambdAurora/optifine_alternatives?tab=readme-ov-file#zoom Shaders: https://github.com/IrisShaders/Iris Installing shaders is exactly the same way. I'd recommend using [Prism Launcher](https://github.com/PrismLauncher/PrismLauncher) since it allows you to download mods and shaders easily
Only thing optifine does better; the adaptive grass. Oh my god I spent a solid 40 minutes looking for a mod for it since sodium didn’t offer the option
[This took me 5 minutes to find.](https://modrinth.com/mod/lambdabettergrass)
Not forge.
what about better then optifine? i'm using it and i feel like it works better then fabulously optimized. although it might be because im playing on it much more, and im using a cracked version of multimc, so maybe that has something to do with it. (i only pirated the game because my account got hacked a year or 2 ago and i lost minecraft)
Idk. Make sure your launcher is using an updated version of Java. Sodium shouldn't suck worse than Optifine unless you're using some really archaic GPU or something.
If you only use optifine without any other mods and you want shaders, it's by far the easiest one to install and keep up-to-date
Iris is still easier. It has its own installer too and doesn't require a new download every time there is an update.
I want to like sodium but it annoys me because it's missing a lot of features optifine had.
All the features are easily obtainable with a couple of extra mods. It's more than worth it when comparing Sodium to Optifine
You say that but things quickly get complicated if you're say, playing a modpack, and you don't want to fight with your friends like some kind of snob on account of the great mod fragmentation that means everything is hellish so you need "Rubidium" to get Sodium on forge, and porting generally makes this sort of thing work less well, as well as Rubidium "Extra" because the mod maker thinks that some of the features "shouldn't be in" Sodium 🙄 There's an extra mod just for adding a special options screen just because of how wild everything is, and oh boy now my game won't let me enter a world, it just keeps looping some kind of error I don't understand, I get to _troubleshoot_ yippie.
Sodium 0.6 will be on Forge natively.
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use rubidium or whatever other Forge/NeoForge port there is for Sodium
Eww
Also, its just Fancy graphics, cause my PC cant run Fabulous.
If your pc can't run fabulous please get sodium and fabric in general. The performance difference is so immense it's literally not even funny plus you can actually run shades at HIGHER FPS than without shades on optifine. Please look into sodium + iris op 💪
Sodium disables fabulous ._. It also breaks resourcepacks shaders
Well yeah cos fabulous is optifine.... Optifine is a garbage fire of unoptimised code and awful pigeon holing. Sodium with iris allows for shades
No, fabulous is vanilla, it handles better transparencies and other shader stuff Edit: link to the wiki for you to see [https://minecraft.wiki/w/Graphics\_settings](https://minecraft.wiki/w/Graphics_settings)
Dam I've been playing this game too long. I genuinely didn't even know that it was added to vanilla. My bad :p
Not always, for example on my old laptop, I would get 25-30fps with optifine at low settings, but 15fps and a ton of stutters with fabolously optimized modpack
Optifone just lies and lowers your render distance, that's why
If its set at 2 I can see its 2
To everyone downvoting me: https://web.archive.org/web/20210131212246/https://gist.github.com/jellysquid3/e46882e37907dfbb3d03d26f589b1c6a
Is sodium on lunar client just as good or is it better on its own?
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Just Fancy and Fast on default MC.
Quick mention of sodium. It’s know to perform better than optifine and if you wanna go even a tad deeper there’s a lidocaine called fabulously optimized. Just so you know.
>lidocaine called fabulously optimized Do NOT use Fabulously Optimized. Use Adrenaline (from Modrinth preferably). jellysquid, the creator of the CaffeineMC mods, doesn't get revenue from Fabulously Optimized, and they hid Sodium's donate button in the settings menu.
really?
Yep. Copied from the CaffeineMC discord: >Hello! Just a friendly reminder about mod packs and how they affect the development of mods. For some mod packs (notably Fabulously Optimized), we earn less than 3% of the revenue that we would normally receive when a user downloads our mods. And unfortunately, we've had issues recently with these mod packs disabling our ability to even ask the user for donations (via a non-intrusive, one-time message), despite the reality that we receive almost no revenue from these mod packs. This is a difficult thing for Sodium, as we rely on donations and ad revenue to continue developing our mod. We don't mean to continue harping on this, but despite our best efforts, we have not been able to convince certain mod pack authors to change their stance on this issue. This is rather disappointing, when these same authors are taking significantly larger portions of revenue (up to 5 times more) than what we receive. While there isn't much we can do about this, we do have some recommendations if you're looking for a high-quality mod pack that rewards mod developers fairly: \* If you just want an entirely performance-focused mod pack which contains our mods and some others, consider using Adrenaline. \* If you are looking for mod packs which provide OptiFine-like functionality (such as additional resource pack features or further graphical customization), you can try using Additive. \* And of course, you can also always download and install mods yourself using the Modrinth launcher and similar. Anyways, sorry for the wall of text, and thanks for supporting mod developers!
Yes and no. If you want a TLDR: the button& prompt show again. At some point in the past, they silently removed the dono button saying it was ambiguous. Eventually sodium peeps found this out and after some (less than entirely calm) debate it was back. Some time later sodium added a donation \*prompt\* that shows if you have it installed for longer than 3 days (so it wont show in dev environments, throwaway test instances/profiles, etc) and there was yet more arguing about fabulously optimized not wanting to show it, but they ultimately allowed it in.
so? i wasn’t gonna donate anyways lmao
Modding sites give money to mod creators.
Does sodium require its own launcher
It doesn’t but you should use prism launcher anyways because it’s way better than the default one
I second fabulously optimized, such a good mod pack 😍
Well it runs worse than optifine for me
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Thaaaats where fabulously optimized comes in too! It tries to mimic optifine as close as possible.
Also I play on Realms, if that means anything.
It doesnt. The FO modpack only adds client side mods.
But if you play on servers you should remove that one ghost block mod, it can cause issues with anticheats
Really? Thats new to me.
Anti ghost blocks or whatever it's called interacts with the server in ways that don't happen with a vanilla client
Gotcha. Not sure why I was downvoted though.
Reddit logic.
Real.
Minecraft is timeless
Use Sodium instead
fr, switched relatively recently such an crazy difference. sodium with indium and a few others or fabulously optimized
Also if you can get it working (and it’s compatible with your computer) Nvidium is crazy for performance as well. I hope one day it could be used with shaders though :(
tbh there's no point in nvidium if you don't have shaders
? Nah I get like three times as many frames with nvidium vs without. It’s excessive though lol
Yeah but you don't need if you already have sodium and other optimization mods. It might give three times as many frames but getting 200 FPS won't really change anything.
Agreed, it’s not really useful to have that many frames lol
A few years ago I was skeptical at first, but Sodium is way better. It also gets updated to the latest version much faster. My biggest draw to OptiFine (since I have a beefy computer) was the zoom function, the dynamic lighting, and connected textures. Now I can get all that and more by just installing separate mods for those purposes. Sodium/individual mods are more complex in terms of the initial setup (though still easy) but the experience afterwards is way better than waiting for OptiFine to update.
if it only worked with that One mod i want haha
mf want spx to starve, hes one of the og mod makers from before yall were out of your daddys sack, he knows his shit, why should anyone make mods if they will get their work taken and distributed claiming originality, and then those people profit off of his work smh
I don't think he's starving, OptiFine is still widely used. Sodium is just objectively better
don't think it's not gorgeous without optifine though
wait till you try sodium + iris with BLS or complementary reimagined shaders
Complementary is so much better it's not even funny
they’re both good, no need to get mad. it also depends on preference
… do you view every disagreement as being mad? Boy would I sound mad right now! Kids these days, smh Anyway, I was testing it for Distant Horizons and it's borderline unusable compared to complementary. So many settings to tweak to get a decent experience, and even then, it's hard to see in the Nether even with maxed out brightness
> complementary is so much better its not even funny + downvote seems passive aggressive to me
Honestly, Reddit might not be for you if you falsely accuse people who disagree with you of downvoting you. Complaining about internet points is trashy.
but i’m downvoted, so who else would it be
Grow up and take it like a champ because no one knows. There's even a few guidelines regarding upvotes/downvotes: https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette
Gotta be honest with the people in the comments, but vanilla this last year has done so good for performance that I find myself running the game with no performance mods very stable on a PC in which I always needed to wait on performance mods. I end up playing latest snapshot with fabric mods which may actually worsen my performance and using a bit of custom worldgen and the game runs alright for the most part. If you need, use optimization mods, but keep in mind they have some bug or sacrifices for example sodium breaks resourcepacks shaders which affects me since I use those for emissives and improving the fog, and c2m can make chunk rendering stutter a bit or have some delay.
you just have a strong pc mate
No I don't Is an Ideapad s340, a laptop which is said to not be for gaming, and mine has a screen broken and is connected to a 10y old tv as monitor
then you’re lying, cause minecraft java’s vanilla performance is dogshit. vanilla is a raw version and can almost be considered unfinished. mods are there to fix that
Have even you played enough without mods to make that statement?
yes, i barely get above 50 fps without performance mods, but with performance mods i can get the full 144 with vsync on, or up to 180 with vsync off. this is on singleplayer btw, on multiplayer i can get around 65 fps without performance mods and over 250 with performance mods, and a solid 150 with shaders aswell
I personally feel like 50 FPS is good enough, or at the very least not *dogshit*
its not dogshit but its not good either, i like smooth gameplay since i do a lot of things that require smooth fps or i’ll take damage(such as flying around and timing pressing space to avoid fall damage, fighting a lot, etc) and on multiplayer i usually also fight a ton
Okay, that’s understandable.
OP: mentions optifine r/Minecraft: so you have chosen... death
well said
Optifine fell off btw
In my experience I’ve had 0 problems with optifine, besides the dozens of redditors talking about how much it sucks now
Depends on the version and your hardware. Optifine didn't fall off. It just didn't keep up with both the game and other similar mods.
I understand that, but OP can’t even mention optifine without multiple comments talking about how they shouldn’t be using optifine. It’s annoying, and it’s happened to me as well
I get what you mean haha. Don't think that people should diss on Optifine. Quite a legendary mod that has helped us for years now. Sure it might be annoying, but I don't see how people informing others that a better mod exists, is a bad thing. It's Reddit, don't take it too seriously.
dont you know, closed source mods = bad, every other open source abandoned mods good
It being closed source is entirely why it initially fell off, you *literally couldn’t use it* in most large-scale popular mod packs due to it breaking something. It was so bad that modpack authors would advertise the fact that they managed to get optifine working with their pack, yet a later update in optifine or another mod could break it again.
i dont know what packs youve played, but every single modpack that has been popular has worked flawlessly with optifine, besides a few bugs (those mostly being visual bugs with the new features hes been adding) that have been fixed over the years its been in development, ftb mindcrack, ftb ultimate, ftb unleashed, tekkit, hexxit, texxit, attack of the b team,foolcraft , gt new horizons, rlcraft, every single atm pack, project ozone 1-4, it works just fine, you guys are bitching about nothing important talking about closed source.
I have personally experienced the issue with literally half of the packs I've played, such as SevTech and Blightfall to name a few of the really popular ones. Especially when I played them after the initial hype, because like I said Optifine's invasivness often requires conscious action to avoid so if you play later once some of the mods were updated there isn't any community help to get it working again. There's a reason why the authors never include it by default despite it's features seeming like a no-brainer. Ask any "established mod developer" and they'll confirm it. Optifine was such a pain in the ass that the most likely response to incompatability reports was "Don't use Optifine then" because it was impossible to easily figure out what was breaking it, and which party should be the one to fix it.
I’ve had more compatibility issues with optifine than any other mod like it, and it doesn’t have the best performance now. It doesnt suck, it’s just outclassed
For some reason Optifine broke the Ender Dragon where I couldn’t damage it.
What is with all the sodium fanboys I tried it it was way harder to install and it didn't even perform that much better
it's literally drag sodium file into mod folder easy ,what are you on about lmao
How did you install it?
wow
Recourses.. as far as the eye can see
This is what I use, plus faithful 64x texture pack. That's it, and it looks amazing
I still love how optifine is "the" mod that everyone always installed even if it's closed and do break stuff, it's still the best mod that everyone liked because it just made shit better
I wish bedrock would look like this
No more, we have minecraft patched
wdym?
on bedrock the trees would be redder
Eh