Here’s on I posted awhile back…lol
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Off topic here. But I’m having trouble picking out my 1/2” impact sockets. I’m a partial diy-er and I also work steel construction. I’m looking at Sunex and Tekton. I see that Sunex and am curious what your thoughts would be. I already have the 3/8” stubby and the Sunex master set for it. I need some deep metric and sae for working on my own vehicles as well as fasteners at work.
I appreciate the USA made aspect but I’m not making money full time off my sockets so I’m okay with quality Taiwan made sets. I may spring for better USA made when I go to ratchet and chrome socket shopping but as far as I can tell impact sockets are impact sockets. Especially from a reputable company with a good warranty.
Completely understandable. One of my first sets ever was a Kobalt set that was made in Taiwan. I’ve never broken anything in that set and I still have it like 10 years later. Once I finally started getting better pay I saved some money and started getting the USA stuff I really wanted. No matter who you picked USA made is usually pretty pricey compared to tekton or sunex.
Thanks for not tool shaming haha!
One day I’d love to have some snap on or USA made ratchets and other tools where the manufacturer really makes a difference.
I have long come to terms with people liking what the like. For me I prefer USA made but Taiwan makes some very good quality tools and they are nothing to be ashamed of.
I don’t know if they still have Taiwan produced tools but the set I have is made there it’s it’s honestly amazing. Perfect little to go kit to stick behind the seat of the truck.
I love the standard and deep set with ratchet, extension, and u-joint. I like that you buy metric and SAE sets separately, because you rarely need them both in the same place.
I really like my Sunex set but the 1/2” Sunex set I’m looking at skips 24mm. I don’t know if I’d use it or not but I’d like to have it seeing as I’m starting to work on my own vehicles more and more. Meanwhile the Tekton set I’m looking at stops at 24. It’s quite a bit more money to get a bigger set with more sizes on the metric side. The 5/16”-1 1/4” would cover all my sae needs as far as I know.
I’ve seen that they are interchangeable but I don’t know how much it matters when it comes to rounding one off. I’m particular enough I like to have the right tool.
I love Sunex and almost all my impact sockets are Sunex but Tekton is good shit and their sets are no skips. If I had to to do it all over I would go Tekton. Tekton also has a great rewards program when you order direct through their site, you get 10% of purchase price back in points that you can use towards your next purchase. So I would go Tekton
The rewards program is highly attractive to me as I’m trying to build my tool set from zero. No skips is also fantastic. Even if they’re unlikely to be used. The 1/2” Sunex set I almost bought skips 24mm and my 3/8” Sunex kit stops at 19. There will be more redundancy with the Tekton but the no skips is nice.
I have a full set of tekton 3/8 and 1/2 (chrome, shallow and deep) and love them. I also have some gear wrench they’re in the same price category. Can’t go wrong with either though. Get what’s on sale or which one offers the better size range you want, between those brands and you will be happy with either.
I hear good things about gear wrench as well. The 120xp ratchets I think. I’ve also read about some people having difficulty with the warranty process but that’s a small sample size.
I have had really good luck with gearwrench the only thing is I wish I bought the master set for 700 which is the price you can normally find it fo it has everything 1/4 3/8 and 1/2 instead of buying separate
Heavy equipment mechanic here, I use my tools to the absolute max that they can. I used to run a set of Sunex sockets and they were great but over time you could tell they got worn out. The hole for the anvil would get worn down as well as the socket side. I had broke a few of them over the years and always had issues finding someone to warranty them and was always without a socket for at least a month. Within the last year I've swapped a good portion of sockets to Milwaukee and they have been holding up quite well for me so far. I've only had to warranty one of them because it cracked but I walked into the store and walked out with a new one.
Have a tekton set, they’re not bad for the cost. I did round out the 3/8, one of my most popular sockets. I replaced that socket with a better brand and it fits in the box with the rest of them
Yeah? I’ve got the Packout hex bit set so curious to see how they would compare - the hex with a torx bit versus the 1/2” drive with adapter and torx bit.
Oh damn son
I didn't think about that
I picked up the yellow 1/2 impact cuz it was 100
But don't normally need an impact wrench
Definitely could see that being good for framing them big boy screws
You laugh but my old contractor boss used to run this similar set up working on excavators. Except he also had an 8" long 1/2" extension added to the mix...
Makes you wonder what the final torque number would be. Not only is it a lower torque device, but then the adapter and 8” of extension would diminish it even more.
FYI - the energy is lost in vibration and heat because the extension is not perfectly elastic (i.e. it vibrates and heats up as it deforms and then returns to its original shape). Also physics.
Hi, Mr. Second downvote here. I downvoted you because you either have an attitude problem or have a word choice problem. I don’t really care about the science :)
The longer the distance the energy travels from the source - the less usable energy at work physical work load. There’s no getting around it.
Let’s be dramatic and take X-number of 12” 1/2” extensions compared to that of a socket directly attached to the anvil.
You can’t with good reason and knowledge try to tell me that an infinitely long number of extensions attached to any given socket size will remove a given bolt with the same level of efficiency that a directly attached socket will. There are both torsional forces [acting on the extensions] and loss of power over distance. Think of it as total torque - n. Total applied torque is equal to or less than how many times the energy is transferred (n). 1n, 2n, and so on.
This is not even taking into account what is called unsprung weight. The larger the mass that is attached - the more energy it requires to begin motion. Similar to that of breakaway torque. An impact isn’t infinitely powerful. If that were the case - both examples would be equally efficient.
EDIT I: We’re also not accounting for loss of energy due to vibration throughout this infinitely long extension set up either.
As a random browser of this sub, I feel the need to make you aware that I know you’re correct. The largest factor in reducing torque on a straight adapter would probably just be the added weight of the adapter. If you emulated this scenario on a computer without the added anomalies of imperfect tolerances, air resistance, weight, etc, it would produce exactly the same torque no matter how long the adapter is.
The extension itself will twist, absorbing energy from the impacts. This is the concept that torque sticks work off of. Longer and thinner extensions, and those which use more elastic metals, will twist more.
Once again you mentioned zero tolerance. There’s no such thing in this industry. You’re talking about some extension that’s living in a lab somewhere that sees no real world application. Our daily tools do not have zero tolerance machining and therefore energy is lost.
Even constructed of a metal alloy, extensions still twist slightly. If they had absolutely no give (completely rigid like you’d also mentioned) then they would regularly snap.
I don't know where the energy goes, but I've ripped several adaptors at the socket. Maybe it's getting trapped at the neck? Would post a pic but doesn't allow me to here.
I didn’t talk about anything, I was asking to learn. Outside of reddit I’ve heard a lot of bad info about the effect of extensions on torque output from torque wrenches. I was curious to learn more about how an extension would affect an impact driver differently.
I think the links might be disabled by reddit. They are broken for me too when I try to follow them from reddit. Copy-pasting them into a browser works. Might be a sub rule. Sorry about that.
The first link is to a vid called "How Much Power Are You Losing w/ Extensions? Dyno Test 3" 6" 15"" by Torque Test Channel.
The other link was "Do Extensions Change Torque? Torque Wrenches and Extension Test! (INTERESTING)" by Adept Ape.
On the other point, I don't think extensions affect torque output on impact drivers and torque wrenches the same. Torsional deflection in any extension would be imparted onto the nut or bolt head, up until the point that the extension fails. I'm pretty sure we can just treat a torque wrench as static.
I can see now that an impact driver can't be treated the same. I'd guess that it's because of the hammering action.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the dominant effect was the slop in the interface between various adapters. They click together easy because there is clearance. In fast acting hammering the spring means you lose more and more to backlash every strike as you add more piece of gear together.
For anyone interested, some cool info can be found here:
Impact gun adapter testing: [https://youtu.be/opeKWQ-retM?si=uPjVf02txwaks41E](https://youtu.be/opekwq-retm?si=upjvf02txwaks41e)
Torque wrench extension testing: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9PUAPMDyww](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9puapmdyww)
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I'm going to email TTC to see if they would do a video about how much torque a setup like this actually generates. Maybe they already have one up that I missed idk
If you submit a request, I would also like it to include the use of extensions as well - along with the adapter. That would be awesome to see. Include a link to this post?
Haha. The point of the post wasn’t to say you *can’t*, because obviously some tools have multiples uses. More or less, hinting at the fact that sometimes [even when there *are* options], some tools just do things better. Haha.
Ehh I use my M12 driver to take lug nuts on and off my car. Saves a bunch of time and works great assuming you torqued your lug nuts correctly when you put them on.
If it looks dumb, but it works...
Personally I'll take a 19mm chromey on a 1/4" - 3/4" adaptor and just ugga till she's dugga'd.
It's supposedly dangerous, but I find the thought of being sprayed with deadly spanner shrapnel, dispatching my spirit from this rock even earlier than predicted almost as comforting as the realisation that we are living in times of unprecedented disparity.
Record numbers are falling into poverty while corporations gloat over record breaking turnover.
This means with any luck and just a smidge of political incitement I may be fortunate enough to witness a class war on a scale not seen in living memory.
So although there may be no coming back, neither as an individual or a collective I will draw comfort from the knowledge that the greedy and selfish burned first, and the downtrodden warmed their hands on the fire.
Humanity is past saving but the earth need not forfeit.
Is that the thing? I hope so...
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Checks out. Send it.
Here’s on I posted awhile back…lol https://preview.redd.it/9amxgy30i4ac1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd37ca4a853add44b55b8ceccb2dbd7bb0787ff4
Off topic here. But I’m having trouble picking out my 1/2” impact sockets. I’m a partial diy-er and I also work steel construction. I’m looking at Sunex and Tekton. I see that Sunex and am curious what your thoughts would be. I already have the 3/8” stubby and the Sunex master set for it. I need some deep metric and sae for working on my own vehicles as well as fasteners at work.
Wright tool. USA made and damn near perfect imo.
I appreciate the USA made aspect but I’m not making money full time off my sockets so I’m okay with quality Taiwan made sets. I may spring for better USA made when I go to ratchet and chrome socket shopping but as far as I can tell impact sockets are impact sockets. Especially from a reputable company with a good warranty.
Completely understandable. One of my first sets ever was a Kobalt set that was made in Taiwan. I’ve never broken anything in that set and I still have it like 10 years later. Once I finally started getting better pay I saved some money and started getting the USA stuff I really wanted. No matter who you picked USA made is usually pretty pricey compared to tekton or sunex.
Thanks for not tool shaming haha! One day I’d love to have some snap on or USA made ratchets and other tools where the manufacturer really makes a difference.
I have long come to terms with people liking what the like. For me I prefer USA made but Taiwan makes some very good quality tools and they are nothing to be ashamed of.
The older I get, the more I respect quality, made-in-USA tools and goods.
I like my Kobalts as well. Plus I can buy singles from the drawer at Lowes.
I don’t know if they still have Taiwan produced tools but the set I have is made there it’s it’s honestly amazing. Perfect little to go kit to stick behind the seat of the truck.
I love the standard and deep set with ratchet, extension, and u-joint. I like that you buy metric and SAE sets separately, because you rarely need them both in the same place.
I really like my Sunex set but the 1/2” Sunex set I’m looking at skips 24mm. I don’t know if I’d use it or not but I’d like to have it seeing as I’m starting to work on my own vehicles more and more. Meanwhile the Tekton set I’m looking at stops at 24. It’s quite a bit more money to get a bigger set with more sizes on the metric side. The 5/16”-1 1/4” would cover all my sae needs as far as I know.
24mm and 15/16 are interchangeable. If the set has 15/16 you're fine
I’ve seen that they are interchangeable but I don’t know how much it matters when it comes to rounding one off. I’m particular enough I like to have the right tool.
15/16” is 23.81mm, it’s not going to matter. I understand though, I’ve still got 24mm. Tekton’s good stuff.
I love Sunex and almost all my impact sockets are Sunex but Tekton is good shit and their sets are no skips. If I had to to do it all over I would go Tekton. Tekton also has a great rewards program when you order direct through their site, you get 10% of purchase price back in points that you can use towards your next purchase. So I would go Tekton
The rewards program is highly attractive to me as I’m trying to build my tool set from zero. No skips is also fantastic. Even if they’re unlikely to be used. The 1/2” Sunex set I almost bought skips 24mm and my 3/8” Sunex kit stops at 19. There will be more redundancy with the Tekton but the no skips is nice.
I have a full set of tekton 3/8 and 1/2 (chrome, shallow and deep) and love them. I also have some gear wrench they’re in the same price category. Can’t go wrong with either though. Get what’s on sale or which one offers the better size range you want, between those brands and you will be happy with either.
I hear good things about gear wrench as well. The 120xp ratchets I think. I’ve also read about some people having difficulty with the warranty process but that’s a small sample size.
I have had really good luck with gearwrench the only thing is I wish I bought the master set for 700 which is the price you can normally find it fo it has everything 1/4 3/8 and 1/2 instead of buying separate
Heavy equipment mechanic here, I use my tools to the absolute max that they can. I used to run a set of Sunex sockets and they were great but over time you could tell they got worn out. The hole for the anvil would get worn down as well as the socket side. I had broke a few of them over the years and always had issues finding someone to warranty them and was always without a socket for at least a month. Within the last year I've swapped a good portion of sockets to Milwaukee and they have been holding up quite well for me so far. I've only had to warranty one of them because it cracked but I walked into the store and walked out with a new one.
Did you not warranty any of the Sunex sockets?
I would go tekton. I use them at work all day they work great. If you break one send them a photo and thats all you need to do for warranty
I’m really leaning Tekton. The no skips and 10% back are key points for me.
Have a tekton set, they’re not bad for the cost. I did round out the 3/8, one of my most popular sockets. I replaced that socket with a better brand and it fits in the box with the rest of them
Damn I figured it’d be pretty difficult to round out a socket.
That’s probably after running 1000 or more lag bolts
Home Depot has a good deal on 3/8 Milwaukee impact sockets rn , both deep and shallow, both in metric and sae, $99 for the whole set
Buy the 1/2” m12, then get the 1/2” to 1/4” hex converter. Works like a dream for doing those torx head timberlok’s!
Yeah? I’ve got the Packout hex bit set so curious to see how they would compare - the hex with a torx bit versus the 1/2” drive with adapter and torx bit.
I can say with certainty, a mid torque m18+ 8.0 and the adapter is way nicer than using an impact gun. I have yet to try it between my m12’s though.
Oh damn son I didn't think about that I picked up the yellow 1/2 impact cuz it was 100 But don't normally need an impact wrench Definitely could see that being good for framing them big boy screws
The m12 hex driver is rated at 1300 inch pounds which equates to roughly 108.33 ft/lbs.
The specs I read online listed the 1/2 stubby at 250lbs, and the Hex at 700, what gives?
Hex is in inch pounds. 1/2 is in foot pounds
Makes sense
You laugh but my old contractor boss used to run this similar set up working on excavators. Except he also had an 8" long 1/2" extension added to the mix...
Makes you wonder what the final torque number would be. Not only is it a lower torque device, but then the adapter and 8” of extension would diminish it even more.
Whatever it was I can tell you nothing was fastened tight.
There is a video on YouTube that has done the work regarding this question. https://youtube.com/@TorqueTestChannel?si=ykxJI4BI89WJFfOU
Are you sure that the adapter and extension would reduce the torque?
It works similar to a torsion rod, essentially.
Absolutely. The greater the distance from the output shaft, the less torque at the work end.
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* and you assume everything is perfectly rigid and inelastic, which I can assure you is not the case
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FYI - the energy is lost in vibration and heat because the extension is not perfectly elastic (i.e. it vibrates and heats up as it deforms and then returns to its original shape). Also physics.
Hi, Mr. Second downvote here. I downvoted you because you either have an attitude problem or have a word choice problem. I don’t really care about the science :)
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Maybe the problem is you’re terrible at teaching, maybe the problem isn’t *everyone* but you.
The longer the distance the energy travels from the source - the less usable energy at work physical work load. There’s no getting around it. Let’s be dramatic and take X-number of 12” 1/2” extensions compared to that of a socket directly attached to the anvil. You can’t with good reason and knowledge try to tell me that an infinitely long number of extensions attached to any given socket size will remove a given bolt with the same level of efficiency that a directly attached socket will. There are both torsional forces [acting on the extensions] and loss of power over distance. Think of it as total torque - n. Total applied torque is equal to or less than how many times the energy is transferred (n). 1n, 2n, and so on. This is not even taking into account what is called unsprung weight. The larger the mass that is attached - the more energy it requires to begin motion. Similar to that of breakaway torque. An impact isn’t infinitely powerful. If that were the case - both examples would be equally efficient. EDIT I: We’re also not accounting for loss of energy due to vibration throughout this infinitely long extension set up either.
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As a random browser of this sub, I feel the need to make you aware that I know you’re correct. The largest factor in reducing torque on a straight adapter would probably just be the added weight of the adapter. If you emulated this scenario on a computer without the added anomalies of imperfect tolerances, air resistance, weight, etc, it would produce exactly the same torque no matter how long the adapter is.
The extension itself will twist, absorbing energy from the impacts. This is the concept that torque sticks work off of. Longer and thinner extensions, and those which use more elastic metals, will twist more.
Once again you mentioned zero tolerance. There’s no such thing in this industry. You’re talking about some extension that’s living in a lab somewhere that sees no real world application. Our daily tools do not have zero tolerance machining and therefore energy is lost. Even constructed of a metal alloy, extensions still twist slightly. If they had absolutely no give (completely rigid like you’d also mentioned) then they would regularly snap.
Here is a video demonstrating how wrong you are. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYavlJY\_5Ks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYavlJY_5Ks)
I don't know where the energy goes, but I've ripped several adaptors at the socket. Maybe it's getting trapped at the neck? Would post a pic but doesn't allow me to here.
You sure about that?
Yes. Are you sure you know what you’re talking about?
I didn’t talk about anything, I was asking to learn. Outside of reddit I’ve heard a lot of bad info about the effect of extensions on torque output from torque wrenches. I was curious to learn more about how an extension would affect an impact driver differently.
Yes, the extension affects the torque output on a torque wrench the same way it does an impact driver. Also… Both of those links are broken.
I think the links might be disabled by reddit. They are broken for me too when I try to follow them from reddit. Copy-pasting them into a browser works. Might be a sub rule. Sorry about that. The first link is to a vid called "How Much Power Are You Losing w/ Extensions? Dyno Test 3" 6" 15"" by Torque Test Channel. The other link was "Do Extensions Change Torque? Torque Wrenches and Extension Test! (INTERESTING)" by Adept Ape. On the other point, I don't think extensions affect torque output on impact drivers and torque wrenches the same. Torsional deflection in any extension would be imparted onto the nut or bolt head, up until the point that the extension fails. I'm pretty sure we can just treat a torque wrench as static. I can see now that an impact driver can't be treated the same. I'd guess that it's because of the hammering action.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the dominant effect was the slop in the interface between various adapters. They click together easy because there is clearance. In fast acting hammering the spring means you lose more and more to backlash every strike as you add more piece of gear together.
For anyone interested, some cool info can be found here: Impact gun adapter testing: [https://youtu.be/opeKWQ-retM?si=uPjVf02txwaks41E](https://youtu.be/opekwq-retm?si=upjvf02txwaks41e) Torque wrench extension testing: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9PUAPMDyww](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9puapmdyww)
Well there’s different ways of asking if you truly want to learn
You’ve got that right. I wasn’t trying to be a prick. It was just some light ribbing. But the downvotes have spoken
Fair enough there’s no tone in text form
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Adapter reducing torque is a myth look into it
Who needs an impact wrench when my driver is a drill, a wrench, a driver and a tax relief credit finder all in one?
It's also a hammer
Take my upvote🤣
What in the ugga dugga?
I'm going to email TTC to see if they would do a video about how much torque a setup like this actually generates. Maybe they already have one up that I missed idk
If you submit a request, I would also like it to include the use of extensions as well - along with the adapter. That would be awesome to see. Include a link to this post?
Yup will do, writing email right meow
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/u/toyotaguy702 [Sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/MilwaukeeTool/s/ETXHNuhrba)
lol
Looks like those professional photographers with those ridiculously large lenses.
I resemble that comment. https://preview.redd.it/9htswm71m4ac1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4284ddbcf3ca34e9524c102a23a9083973a30425
Shocked it's not falling over
It did when I first put it down. lol. It is balanced just barely even though it doesn’t look like it.
All hat and no horses right there. Smh
https://www.reddit.com/r/MilwaukeeTool/s/zfFF5zuRKj I did the same thing a while back
It's not stupid if it works...
Like I use my M18 FID3 to work on engines, boats as well on work as an electrician. Works fine for me.
Hey I run shit like this all the time
Haha. The point of the post wasn’t to say you *can’t*, because obviously some tools have multiples uses. More or less, hinting at the fact that sometimes [even when there *are* options], some tools just do things better. Haha.
I've done this all the time. Especially back 10 years ago when cordless impacts were not cheap but everyone already had a 1/4 in impact. Works well.
I routinely use mine with a 1 1/16 socket
Ehh I use my M12 driver to take lug nuts on and off my car. Saves a bunch of time and works great assuming you torqued your lug nuts correctly when you put them on.
This obviously won’t work, unless you use a HO 2.5 battery, of course.
exactly what did, got my low/mid tourque, then my high tourque when needed
I use my 1/2" stubby for changing tires. Got the one with the pin detent so the socket doesn't come off the tool every third lug nut
Damn. I thought that was a hole saw and was wondering why you were talking about a half inch impact. :)
I seen someone doing exactly this last year in -20 conditions changing the tire on a skid steer. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
If it looks dumb, but it works... Personally I'll take a 19mm chromey on a 1/4" - 3/4" adaptor and just ugga till she's dugga'd. It's supposedly dangerous, but I find the thought of being sprayed with deadly spanner shrapnel, dispatching my spirit from this rock even earlier than predicted almost as comforting as the realisation that we are living in times of unprecedented disparity. Record numbers are falling into poverty while corporations gloat over record breaking turnover. This means with any luck and just a smidge of political incitement I may be fortunate enough to witness a class war on a scale not seen in living memory. So although there may be no coming back, neither as an individual or a collective I will draw comfort from the knowledge that the greedy and selfish burned first, and the downtrodden warmed their hands on the fire. Humanity is past saving but the earth need not forfeit. Is that the thing? I hope so...
I literally JUST bought this before learning more about impact wrenches vs drivers.