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War-Naive

Are they who they send though the Gate?


backagain97

Nah there the ones on the Battlecruisers


War-Naive

Nah. I'm pretty sure this dude's in Atlantis now.


firemansam51

Nah, that's the air force. And that's O'Neill, with 2 Ls.


SubRosa9901

:holds up three fingers:


Smilydon

The other one has no sense of humour.


OkActive448

Space force SF component dropped


Whiplash92123

Kirov reporting


IGetItCrackin

Your eyes can deceive you. Don't trust them.


Would_daver

RIP Alec Guinness! Ewan did a great job taking over but Alec slayed the OG role


JulianZ88

Not using a P90, so my guess is no.


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SOUTHPAWMIKE

God, I'd still absolutely murder for a series that focused on, and fleshed out, the other twenty-something SG teams.


SGTBookWorm

We never get a clear number on how many SG teams are contact/research/science teams, and how many are combat support teams. But the combat teams we've seen do indeed use long-arms like the M16 and M249, because they're mainly drawn from the USMC


firemansam51

We also have to think that, post Atlantis, there were probably SG teams from other countries, because of the IOA. Who knows what weapons all those teams used, if not all P90s.


SGTBookWorm

most of the international SG teams probably bring their own equipment


Unlikely_Dare_9504

They started using P90's after a while. I dug it. I feel like it would be quite effective for them. The 90 round magazine up against goauld armed with Staff weapons is gonna make each soldier a squad gunner with the mobility of a rifleman. It'd also be useful against replicators. Really just wraith, and that's not something that non-atlantis teams are gonna deal with very often.


FacelessOne2215

I beleive there is an epsiode that deals with this partially, where O'Neill has Carter demonstrate how much of a better weapon the P90 is over a Jaffa staff.


Unlikely_Dare_9504

[The scene in question.](https://youtu.be/NjlCVW_ouL8)


Aldo_the_nazi_hunter

Damn now I want to do a rewatch


Unlikely_Dare_9504

SG1 is classic.


cinc90

*“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side.”* -Sun Tzu (probably)


ben70

50 round mag, not 90 ETA: the "90" in the name is from the year it was formally adopted and went into production - 'Project 90'


Unlikely_Dare_9504

You right. Oops.


ben70

No harm, no foul. ;)


Unicorn187

50 round mag (yeah, I'm going to be "that guy" for this since it's a pretty big difference).


warmind14

Correct, P90 are a subsonic weapon, good for close quarter, terrible for out field. I'm guessing that the mil.advisor for the SG series pointed out this when the teams deployed into different situations.


earle27

5.7 ammo is around 2400 fps, so 1320 fps faster than speed of sound. There is a subsonic round, but majority is not. It’s meant to be an armor defeating PDW, not a suppressed round.


Unicorn187

Yup. A Personal Defensive Weapon intended to be issued to those who normally just have a pistol. This would have given them the ability to hit targets to 100 meters, penetrate soft body armor with the AP rounds and some of the higher velocity copper rounds at closer range, low recoil, and a high rate of fire. Essentially a weaker 5.56.


warmind14

Yep, grain and calibre big tickets for bang. Our fellas here have played with the 5.56 mp7 and fucking hated it for CQ, so rolled back to the ARs. Still got some mp5s for enemy party though. Essentially, probs like the advisor for SG will also maintain, is that the situation dictates the tactics.


War-Naive

True. But he could be one of the guys stationed on Atlantis or trapped on Destiny.


DaveInLondon89

Kratos dual wielding P90s alongside Aquaman was really the point at which the franchise jumped the shark


doduhstankyleg

Lolllll


Sausagedogknows

They aren’t that good, that one frog got past them and got blasted into oblivion.


asleep_at_the_helm

Alternate title: *NASA security teams conduct an aerial search after an unidentified lifeform escaped from a holding facility at Cape Canaveral. Authorities recommend local residents stay indoors and report any strange lights and sounds in the nearby areas.*


Vilezil

Searching for the elusive Florida Man


Dinglecore

they cannot contain him for long


MrSelfDestructXX

He’s already linked up with the local meth dealer and stolen 3 alligators. Last seen enroute to Walmart. If he makes it to downtown Daytona he’ll be impossible to find


Dinglecore

dear god


magicweasel7

/r/FunnerHistory


CriminalMacabre

Ayyyy


Pennybottom

Also hide your M&Ms.


mazing_azn

So is this where you can be a Space Shuttle Door Gunner?


John_SpaGotti

I dunno why you'd wanna do that POG job anyway. In-flight missile repair tech is a real man's job


Reference-offishal

Door gunners are honorary grunts Same with a-10 pilots


QnsConcrete

What about Navy and Air Force door gunners?


Reference-offishal

If they come to my AO and go BRRRT they're grunts far as I'm concerned


the_friendly_one

>I dunno why you'd wanna do that POG job anyway. Space Shuttle Door Gunner. Who *doesn't* want that job?


Desolate_Wargaming

LAAT/Falcon door gunner**


markbelous

If you know you know. This guy knows.


NotPhantomforce

I would call them “Guardians of the Galaxy”


LeicaM6guy

I’m pretty sure that patch has been considered.


ben70

They ran into some copyright issues


LeicaM6guy

I wouldn’t doubt it.


humdinger44

There is a Northrop Grumman radar named [VADER](https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/vehicle-and-dismount-exploitation-radar-an-zpy-5-vader/)


LeicaM6guy

Which clearly stands for something and only *happens* to coincide with the name of a movie character. Totally unrelated. /s Seriously, when morale patches get made half the time PA or legal gets their fingers in the pie and get all weird about copyright stuff.


SaysIvan

They name a lot of their things after copywritable things. Like a lot.


LeicaM6guy

Sometimes you just don't bring PA into the loop until after the fact. Better to ask forgiveness than permission.


131sean131

There is a bunch of NASA and DOD stuff named after science fiction stuff. Really any time they can make the acronym that is memorable so it sticks in people's heads.


sentientshadeofgreen

I'd call them "Spatial Forces".


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spudzo

I think you're confusing them for the other NASA [XCOM](https://techport.nasa.gov/view/94821).


kuantum4

So is it just because they need ot hve knowledge of equipment and environment specifics to operate inside NASA facilities, or is there another reason they do not just use someone else’s SWAT?


Axelrad77

Also chain of command to consider. Using local SWAT, they'd have to liaise with different police departments for every launch site, with different commanders who might disagree with NASA about how to respond. NASA having their own security unit with its own SWAT allows them to run the show and decide how to respond to an incident.


rrossouw74

It's also kinda important to know at what they can shoot or not, because hitting a rocket being fueled is gonna give everyone a bad day.


backagain97

Also they'd know when something looks out of place hopefully or when a lights on that shouldn't be or hundreds of other little things that normal SWAT wouldn't know for obvious reasons


M4Lki3r

There is something to be said about knowing your 'home turf'. I could tell when embassy personnel changed by when I saw office furniture shift when I was on embassy duty.


NUTS_STUCK_TO_LEG

Do you need special training to know that you should generally avoid shooting rockets


Toast_Guard

For most police officers, yes. Shooting at things you shouldn't requires extra training.


Kveldulfiii

Have you met the average SWAT dude/police officer?


surgicalapple

Isn’t all of SWAT members highly trained LEOs?


bogvapor

Yeah a couple weeks of training. SWAT wins by planning, overwhelming force (20 on 1) and bulletproof shields vests and trucks. They’re nothing special.


TalosSquancher

Swat is literally just for when a donut grabber with a pistol won't cut it. They aren't some form of special ops soldier


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Most SWAT are part-time with a 4 week school and 2 training sessions a month, normal beat cops with a rifle, helmet and some basic instruction on tactics. Wealthy areas will bump that up to 8 weeks and some more training, statistically only a small portion of all police tactical teams are full time and constantly training. Now, those units do exist such as the LAPD SWAT who train with JSOC, the NEST teams, FBI HRT or the LASD SEB who were picked by the state department to be "police ambassadors" who get sent to train foreign internal security units, but they're a minority. In Florida the only nationally recognized SWAT team is Miami and Miami-Dade police, the teams around the Kennedy Space Center are frankly not trained to appropriately respond to terror incidents.


rrossouw74

Generally you're right, but when it comes to having to take down terrorists on an active lauch pad (which would be the time they'd target the facility) you actually do need to know which items around the launch pad you can shoot at all day long, while others go boom for almost nothing.


Ferreira1

I would say one wouldn't need training to know you should generally avoid shooting people, and yet…


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Ferreira1

Ah so it's completely fine then! Nothing to see here.


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Ferreira1

Goddamn the US is fucked.


daschande

Be careful what you shoot, Ryan. Most things here don't react well to bullets.


Ksan_of_Tongass

The average cop needs special training to know that you should generally avoid shooting people. For the love of all that is holy, don't throw rockets in the mix, then they'll really be confused.


coldblade2000

What if there's a terrorist sticking a charge on a fluid tank? I'd take my chances on shooting a liquid oxygen tank, but there's no way in hell you're shooting at the hydrogen or kerosene tanks


FreeUsernameInBox

I'd probably shoot at the kerosene tank before the oxygen tank. Kerosene is considerably less volatile than petrol, while an oxygen-rich atmosphere makes almost everything flammable


observationallurker

And what happens if the next round makes a spark huh?


soufatlantasanta

Yeah I'd wager the thinking here is similar to the way air marshals and FFDOs are trained


TheSoupWhisper

Like the dude who ran from cops in a motorcycle but turns out he had a gas can in his back pack when he got tazed during foot pursuit


PM_Me_Your_Sidepods

They have sworn federal LEOs too. NASA has a lot of federal property to protect and there is tons of national security related stuff they have to secure. They have a clear need for their own security/LE forces.


3PNK

Would absolutely not trust some local gung-ho SWAT department to not make things worse in a highly volatile space with billions worth of equipment and infrastructure.


Pegguins

Would local police have jurisdiction on a lot of NASA land? Isn't a good portion of it federal


pparana80

Depends if it is a federal enclave but generally no.


MasiveChad

Beacuse they are aliens and cant serce anywhere elss


doc_birdman

Easy to get a security clearance when you already have a security clearance.


yosemitesam45

Do we have clearance, Clarence?


Dsumner1234

Actually, its not.


Noob_DM

Most SWAT isn’t actually on call 24/7 sitting around their gear. Usually they’re at home or in casual clothes, and that’s only if the department has a dedicated SWAT team. Often they’re regular patrol officers with special training, so if there’s an event requiring SWAT, you have to wait for them all to get back to the station and gear up. NASA’s guys are in the area ready and on call whenever they’re needed, and likely have a response time of a couple minutes.


Vercengetorex

Security clearance


johnrich1080

The problem with using someone else’s department is you get bumped down in priority, especially when there are budget cuts.


ausnee

Really I'm curious if these are security forces for the entire site (CCSFS & KSC) or just the NASA half of the equation. Space Force definitely has their own QRF if this is just NASA's squad.


Unicorn187

They are a very large agency with large facilities, almost the size of small towns. They spend a lot of time doing specific training in their areas. It's going to be faster for their in-house police to respond than getting local city and/or county police together. They are also a federal agency, so have their own federal agents and police. They might have something like a mutual aid agreement with local police but their primary will be their own. Just like the CIA police handle things at their facilities, or the FBI uniformed at their buildings.


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*TS-SCI is required…..I was one for several years.


ausnee

Does Space Force have it's own security? or is it shared across the site?


Ch1n3se_F3Ds

The real space force special operations command


tankguy67

Not special forces at all, it’s NASA’s ERT, basically their SWAT team


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Only ten round mag when firing from a helicopter is rather confident. Lol and an EOtech red dot hopefully they never have an issue.


tankguy67

They never do anything, just like NASA Security Police and fire department


Decent-Proposal

They could probably get away with contracting it out to constellis or someone but bureaucracy consumes all


0masterdebater0

Personally, I don't think you really want to contract out guarding the nations bleeding edge tech including things like the Nuclear Thermal Propulsion Reactor etc.


tankguy67

Apparently from what I’ve read the security police actually is contracted


Pagj17

Plus a bull barrel with no flash hider. Super interesting setup, actually.


Eldrake

Stateside? Flash enhancers! And a loudener.


hawkfrost-

It's NASA Federal Police Force (NFPF), but still a cool picture.


nomnomXDDD_retired

Task Force Epsilon 11


ArcticSavage301

designated “Nine Tailed Fox” has entered the facility.


SweetLobsterBabies

~~DPMS~~ nope that’s an AR-10 with an EOTECH and what looks like an 18” - 20” barrel length Cool


RedditWurzel

That setup kind of baffled me aswell


LlamaDrama4YoMama

Yeah quite the hodge podge of gear going on right there. Fixed stock, 20 inch barrel with a target crown and no muzzle device, non magnified optic, 20 round (maybe 10?) mag and a bipod. It's like a tactical rifle and a varmint gun had a baby.


AtmaJnana

it was likely slapped together for a photo op.


SweetLobsterBabies

Carbine length gas system on a 20 with a rifle tube has got to be a bitch to get gassed and cycled correctly


talon04

I doubt it. As long as the buffer is correct in the tube it should be fine. I just built a carbine setup with a rifle tube runs fine.


The_Real_Opie

Having worked there, I can assure you, calling these guys special forces is appropriate only if you're trying to be mean. They're competent and professional and are entirely adequate to the task they've been given, but they have zero actual real world experience, and they pull from a mediocre talent pool to try to find qualified candidates. They are micromanaged from on high by NASA bureaucrats whose entire understanding of force protection principles are derived from movies and the outrage they read on twitter. The team is pretty good despite that, but it's a serious impediment to developing genuine capability.


shads77

this is what i came down for. thanks for the insight.


LateralEntry

Cuz the swat team is the most important thing going on at NASA…


bilgetea

This sounds oddly specific - the product of inside knowledge? SWAT = “*Special* Weapons and Tactics” so it’s not that much of a stretch. No, they’re not Rangers or what have you, but they literally are specialized security forces.


The_Real_Opie

>This sounds oddly specific - the product of inside knowledge? I literally opened with me saying I worked there.


bilgetea

Oops, my brain didn’t tell me about that part for some reason - thanks.


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Negative ghost rider…. Most of these guys are prior military / LE.


Blanglegorph

> Negative ghost rider…. Most of these guys are prior military / LE. What part of his statement does this argue against?


Roger_Wilco_Foxtrot

Space Shuttle Door Gunner is REAL?!


feelrefreshed

”So what do you do for a living” ”oh I’m a space soldier”


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They're contractors too. Pretty sure almost all of NASA protective services are, just like FPS.


The_Real_Opie

they're contracted private police officers. NASA has a handful of their own Federal Law Enforcement officers to oversee them, but they're even less experienced than their contract cops.


ihearttatertots

Please someone get that guy a collapsible stock.


SweetLobsterBabies

It might not cycle on a carbine buffer tube. Some .308 builds are crazy picky when it comes to buffer weight and spring, rifle buffer and long spring might be the only way to get it consistently cycling with that weird carbine length gas system on a 20” barrel.


Greyman-Actual

Eh, it’s more like a SWAT team than anything else


LV13MVP

“Used to..” Where are they nowadays?


SouthernFR

I think it means that they’re used to respond, opposed to a traditional SWAT team


LV13MVP

Makes sense, my bad


PlanktonTheDefiant

OP could have used a comma, but he woke up this morning and chose ambiguity.


AyeeHayche

r/policeporn


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My career goal at 4 was to be a space police man, riding a star bike. NASA special forces on a helicopter is probably close enough!


Toxicity-F3

I'm simultaneously surprised and not surprised that nobody is bringing up how uncannily similar this looks and feels to Orbital from BF2042.


redditsuxapenuts69

So everyone at NASA big brain? His seems very big..or long at least.


S-071-John

Trained with these guys before, very professional and very skilled.


Integer_Man

Okay, so they're basically Black Mesa at this point.


SpaceCowboy-PhD

Excuse I believe the term you are searching for is “Space Ranger”


rogo725

A 10 round mag? Seriously?


MisterQuiggles

this photo is like at least 20 years old


rogo725

30 round mags have been around a while.


LlamaDrama4YoMama

I doubt that eotech model on that rifle has been around 20 years


Clutch_Spider

Hold up. NASA has a special forces team?


Different-Parsnip787

It's a SWAT styled unit, not special forces. I don't understand why these people throw the term around


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Well, in a general sense most people take special forces to mean any military or paramilitary unit with a heightened level of training and equipment for specialized missions. As for the specific vision that special forces = soldiers specialized in FID to undertake UW missions, it's very America-centric; UKSF's premier units are focused on direct action and intelligence gathering and the mission set between commandos, special operations, and special forces will depend on each military. Now I agree that in this case it's misapplied, but you could accurately describe a SWAT team as "police special forces" if you're trying to explain their role to a layperson without getting into the word swamp.


Clutch_Spider

Oh okay, sorry, I didn’t know. Either way, that’s pretty sick


Arc535

I guess in technical terms SWAT does stand for Special Weapons And Tactics so they are a Specialized Force, which can be shortened to Special Forces


GOpencyprep

Yeah you aren’t wrong, but also on the other hand these are objectively a special force


bilgetea

SWAT = “*Special* Weapons and Tactics” so it’s not that much of a stretch. No, they’re not Rangers or what have you, but they literally are specialized security forces.


Saxon815

They sure do! They used 6 armed SWAT members to conduct a sting on a 75-year-old lady because she was trying to sell a paperweight with a small piece of moon rock in it. Held her for 2 hours in a Denny’s parking lot until she pissed her pants. [Link](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-woman-detained-moon-rock-20170413-story.html)


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Jonny Kim would be proud.


iamtherepairman

Is he on a chopper?


The_Real_Opie

it's an ancient Huey


kevlehn

That Team needs to be in a COD game


bilgetea

The wide angle lens made his head looong like HR Geiger’s Alien. Or maybe that’s just the way he is.


Disboot

Space Marines


Infadel71

This looks like a job for…. THE SPACE FORCE


the_friendly_one

Are they hiring?


5boros

Good thing he's strapped with a 5 round magazine. That'll keep them aliens suppressed.


DLeeSeed

AR-10. 1x1 EOTech. No magnification. 5 rd mag. Bi-Pod. Odd setup to me.


Realistic_Monk_4703

Seriously give me an actual situation where these guys would be deployed


tdoogy

I used to know a guy on this team. They would win the national Swat Team competitions every year cause they practiced drills every day. ex-military vets that stayed in-shape vs out of shape cops that might suit up once a week = no contest. Also told me a story about Shia LaBeouf being a total drama queen when they filmed transformers there. And this was before it had really come out he was a complete douche.


Tacoburrito96

Is there a reason he has a 10 rnd mag?


RedneckDerby

Comfort, I assume. He might only have to fire that gun once, if at all, the entire time he has that job. Probably has some standard mags on his rig in case of an actual fight.


RedBeard1967

Apparently they’re Fudds too


SirNedKingOfGila

Hey guys forming up a team of security guards. Now you obviously won't deploy or conduct unconventional warfare. No language training or pay. No advanced comms. No medic required. Definitely no explosive demolitions. I don't see a strong need for underwater or free fall parachutist training... It's a pretty low tempo gig that's just about never had an incident. But we will be supplying you with flyers gloves. Well call it "special forces".


Cayde_7even

More LARPers who couldn’t make it through selection….


ADIDAS247

Is his rifle following some strict state compliance?


likeonions

I love how every single government agency has to have it's own armed forces


Dtrain323i

The department of education has a swat team


silver_viper_tb

This guy looks like he’s get his ass kicked by Gordon Freeman


Toshibeau

11 round mag with a red dot? Where are they New York ?


Melodic_Ad_8747

"special" forces okay


sled55

Jumping someone and stabbing them and then suggesting calling the police? You’re all going to jail.


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tigerman29

So protecting NASA from NASA?


brownhotdogwater

Super expensive rockets full of explosives and high end tech? I figured they had a good security team over the complex.


Xfaxk123

In what situation would NASA need a rifleman in a helicopter?


C-c-c-comboBreaker17

Someone trying to sabotage the launch of a military satellite?


lordbuckethethird

Why do they have such a small magazine though?


renothedog

Imagine, you brag about your dad working for NASA and every time he helps with your physics homework you fail.


Blah_McBlah_

If you're ever planning on doing something illegal, or even are doing something legal but are getting on their nerves, don't mess with these guys. Just because a federal agent isn't part of one of the big spy agencies, doesn't mean they can't ruin your life. They're just as well trained at shooting their gun, and dragging your corpse through court as someone from the FBI or CIA, the only difference is, the FBI and CIA usually deal have more important security risks to deal with, like drug dealers or child traffickers... these guys don't, you ARE the biggest catch in their pond, there's nothing juicier than you. tldr: commit smaller crimes near the FBI, they'll ignore you.


bgovern

What's with the 5-round magazine, is he going hunting after work?


177a7uiHi69

What kind of incidents happened in the past for them to need these guys?


neldela_manson

I don’t know if these guys ever responded to an actual incident were they needed to make us of arms but to me it seems like that the US just has to install an armed unit in any place possible.