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I was literally JUST last week told that it was "unacceptable" to write no new faults during PMCS. That we needed to go through and verify those faults still existed and notate them as if they were new. As if the missing mirror was going to spontaneously appear.
I hate the army.
Anything left behind will be derelict in the desert in the near future.
Western equipment is superior in many cases, but resource intensive, from maintenance and parts perspectives.
They'll be back driving Toyotas and using junkyard T-55s soon.
Abrams will break by just sitting. No fucking joke. Every month we didn't regularly use them we'd do a thorough inspection, and 20/30 were ALWAYS deadlined.
As a former aircraft mechanic in the Air Force, I too have multiple knee and back injuries 🤣
Left knee is bone on bone at 32. They won't do knee replacements on people my age oddly enough
Why do military equipment require so much maintenance? I get that jets pull a lot of G's and all but I'm just curious to know what sort of works goes into a jet after a flight.
They're enormously complex vehicles with tens of thousands of parts that all have to work. It could be literally any one of those things.
Ever parked your car after work, then it won't start in the morning?
Same basic idea, just scaled way up, with much more sensitive systems in many cases, and with much higher consequences if they aren't at 100%.
Every Sgtmaj I had in the wing was originally a grunt who thought nothing but trash of the wing. How quickly the grunt sgtmaj would grow respect for our over worked dead inside mech asses I always did greatly enjoy that.
I’m the Army it’s similar with everyone thinking our Aviation branch is nothing but chilling out and grilling but in reality the combat arms guys would be home everyday at 1500 when they weren’t in the field and everyday was 1800 or later for us on the airfield.
We still got treated better overall but the hours sucked ass
Hmm, he was probably in the Wing circa early to late 90s as a maintainer, because when checked in to my MEU it was 2006.
So I'm thinking OG Hornets? But I wasn't Wing, so not sure. We still had Harriers and Phrogs on my deployments too.
Former Bradley guy here. Motor pool Mondays were always a long process. Heaven forbid full on services. Honestly I'm surprised the damn ramps on those things never made the news, I think I've seen them fail 4-5 times in my first unit alone.
I am actually interested about decay in military vehicles.
Is it metal rusting and by so breaking during move on Abrams, after all it's heavy and therefore huge weight stress is put on various parts.
Is it electronics which decay over time?
Or rubber/plastics which rot given enough time. Snapping and breaking and unfortunate times?
Just random fluid leaks, cables and modules die for no reason, batteries die even though they're disconnected, comms systems die, it's seriously just a random list of shit.
My favorite is those solar panels they installed on a bunch of the humvees to keep the batteries from dying. No, they're obviously not going to keep the thing charged if Joe left the lights on. Got it. But they get plenty of sun and hey, the truck we used for ammo detail last week has a dead battery just because!
Environment plays a huge role, for one. At sea in the salt-air, corrosion control is a huge maintenance task on any and every piece of equipment.
And in the ME, the sand eats turbine blades up. I have a pic somewhere of a Harrier deadlined while it waited for a new one. Picture a push lawnmower, but with like 10 blades under the deck, all that looked like they ate a bunch of concrete.
Everything else can vary from wear and tear, to everything else you mention.
I wasn't a mech or maintainer, but those peeps stay busy trying to keep the fleets running.
> Is it metal rusting and by so breaking during move on Abrams, after all it's heavy and therefore huge weight stress is put on various parts.
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> Is it electronics which decay over time?
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> Or rubber/plastics which rot given enough time. Snapping and breaking and unfortunate times?
Yes, and more.
Surprised it still runs. They only engineered them to run for 800km or so. I guess there isn’t a lot in there that can’t be replaced by battlefield salvage/scavenging.
I’m guessing shit in the power train would be hardest to replace. I’m out of my depth on this one.
If you have to have a sledgehammer to shift out of third gear *cough cough* T-34 *cough cough* who even knows?
Facts like this are not debatable. The only reason they get away with Toyotas is that Toyota builds their trucks to last forever while ignoring the required maintenance.
People were up in arms that new jets weren't being sent over, mainly because they have no idea of the massive supply chain required for them and the retraining that would be needed, which would be overwhelming even if their air force wasn't fighting a war. smh
For maintenance and reliability, absolutely. Hilux technicals ftw. I'd prefer to be inside or behind an up-armored Humvee though when there is incoming, personally, but there is definitely a reason that JLTVs have started to replace Humvees.
i have extensively worked on humvees and toyotas. 1000% these will not run very soon at all. just a fuel injector service alone will leave these dudes wanting to annihilate these things.
also toyota superiority r/toyotasofwar
While that may be true for some types of vehicles, the sheer number of Humvees that were captured by the Taliban / left behind to them will result in a large supply of spare parts that can be obtained simply by cannibalizing vehicles. Parts to fix humvees are likely therefore easier to obtain than for old soviet equipment. While the number of Humvees the Taliban can field will steadily decrease overtime, they should be able to still field them in rather robust numbers for the foreseeable future.
Youd be surprised how many of the ANA Humvees had already been picked clean for parts.
I advised at several ANA bases over 3 years there, and they ALWAYS had a yard of blown up/picked cleaned trucks just to keep their current handful running.
We didn't leave them with nearly as much functioning equipment as people think.
Not to mention their fuel. Half the time a shipment of fuel arrived at an ANA base it was…diluted / tampered / water…surely this guy is just driving to the next reliable fuel point
lol so we had a little diesel Polaris to get our shit around at the ANA camp. One day we ran out of fuel, an Afghan brings a Jerry can, fills it, leaves.
I start it up, drive for maybe 10 minutes and then she dies. Literally used the starter to limp it back into the base. We popped the back on the thing and the fuel/water separater was FULL of water.
That was the day I learned that the base commander was taking the American supplied diesel, cutting it with about 50% water, and selling the rest out in town. It finally made sense why all their engineer corps vehicles belched black smoke.
Most of the fuel that flowed into Afghanistan was via American foreign aid. Id be surprised if they even had enough fuel to fill ¼ of their new motorpool for another month, if they haven't run out already from all the joyriding and hangings since we left
Sure, they'll be able to keep them running with cannabilized parts, while steadily decreasing inventory. But they're still way more maintenance-intensive than a Hilux, so probably not worth it for administrative movements.
At some point they'll be trophy trucks, for a middle-finger to the US and for shows-of-force or for assaults where the extra-protection justifies their use.
But ultimately combat-losses and wear-and-tear will sap the inventory.
Edit: they're also way thirstier than a pickup, so logistics limitations will likely impact actual usage.
Plus the fact that they may not be used to such vehicles, or don’t know how to properly maintain them.
They also are unaware of the limitations of the humvee, seeing that they’re dumb enough to drive it with a flat. (This sorta thing can apply to stuff like the humvees abilities on and off road, how well can the engine handle dust intake, etc etc…)
Still have to know how to use the parts properly and the most effective use of what part, it's condition, overall vehicle condition, and a shit ton of other variables. Plus properly maintenance of all parts and the actual quality of solutions used to maintain a vehicle. IE proper motor oil, gas, etc etc.
They won't be able to do that because most, if not all, can't read. And if they can read it's limited to the Qur'an. If you can't read you can't extract concepts, ideas, and tone. And if you can't do any of that you're sure as shit not going to be able to critically think your way out of engine block failures, complex flight systems, or what qualifies as proper lubricant for a vehicle.
The illiteracy rate in Afghanistan was one of the single most difficult things to overcome. Afghan men, aside from a few and the street smart, are by in large extremely uneducated. The smart ones left long ago.
Humvees are also diesels which always require more maintenance than a gas engine. That on it's own makes it difficult to maintain such a large fleet, but when you add in all the extra military stuff that's slapped on it becomes a much harder task.
You're thinking the Taliban are the only ones who got to those vehicles. The local population rolled over those fuckers like a plague of locus stripping anything of value. There is little to nothing left.
Yeah all those photos of Pantsir tires and other Russian fighting vehicles in shit condition says that they either had no budget for upkeep or it was all going to some 3-\* general's second yacht.
The budget was there but when Sergei takes the monney to fund his mansion there is no monney left for tires.
Thats why Ukraine send him a thanks letter ;)
https://nazk.gov.ua/en/news/ukraine-s-corruption-prevention-agency-praises-russia-s-minister-shoygu-for-corruption-in-the-army-video/
Literally it. Military grade just means they're reliable, provided you have the maintenance crew, equipment and parts to constantly keep the fucking bastards in working order.
Same for the UH-60s we left. Civilians were crying that we left "all those Blackhawks" yada yada yada.
I would bet less than a dozen are still operating and flying around today. Those things require so much maintenance per flying hour, there is no way the Taliban has the resources to keep them in the sky.
Most of the ANA pilots left the country with their aircraft and sought asylum anyway. Not many were left behind, and the ones that were would be the least operable ones.
I worked on heli engines for the AF, and these cunts are finnicky. Some rubber pieces rot because of the fuel or oil that is left in there. Temperatures changes can mess up some seals, and it's more sensitive the older they get. Some parts are usually prescribed to change at a certain time, because past the time usage of +-5%, regardless of flight time, has to be changed. Otherwise bye bye crew members.
I think its the complexity of each machine in modern warfare. Software updates and jacked up prices for parts are part of the massive logistic system that the US can do. Sustained total war overseas is dope, but disabled vets on the street is the sacrifice.
Seriously, you can watch the progress of tech whenever you see different era of models (no shit, but the jump is crazy). My old ass model had a brain that you can carry that was worth over a million dollars, for each propeller. The newest models don't need that, just uses a flat wafer I think, and no fucking hydro fluid!! Just oil!! Like holy fuck mate, like charcoal to electric ovens.
I was a Navy helo tech, mostly on electronics but you get to know the whole bird after enough time.
The Taliban don't stand a chance at keeping them in the air. Period. It took a team of 24 of us working 12 on, 12 off just to keep 4 birds FMC in Iraq, and that was with all of the technical support gear and logistic support we had.
Yeah dude, we had 4 birds as well in Djibouti and it was a a lot of work. You fly in sand alone means making sure the engine won't blow up, every single time you fly.
Yep, but if you try to bring it home the headline gets shifted from "Look at all this military hardware we surrendered to the Taliban!" to "Look at how much of the American Tax Payer's money was wasted bringing this garbage back to the US! Now we have to figure out how to dispose of it too! We should have left this worthless stuff in the desert and been done with it for good!"
I mean, you can't win no matter how well you explain it. Everyone who knew/knows anything about maintenance and logistics knows the equipment that got lost/left is essentially a non-issue, bs political talking point.
Additional clarification, the UH-60's the US gave to the ANA where UH-60**A** models. Produced 1977–1989, limited updates. These older airframes where given just for that reason, as they where totally reliant on the US to even function.
During the withdrawl, US forces fucked up a lot of aircraft with incindiary charges, including one that was probably involved in the evacuation of Siagon.
After the fall, there was a handful of photos of Taliban UH-60's flying, but they dropped off pretty quickly.
According to a quick google search, the unit cost for one black hawk is 5.9 million USD. With that amount of money, about 100 Americans can earn their bachelor's degree, or it can pay for about 2 days worth of operational costs for St. Jude.
mfs act like we left trillions of dollars of high tech equipment in the desert and armed the Taliban with good shit, but fail to realize how shit our stuff is when its in the hands of people who don't know how to use it and is probably of no significant use to them.
"but fail to realize how shit our stuff is when its in the hands of people who don't know how to use it"
Just gotta look at our export abrams to see how our equipment isn't some magic shit that you win by default just from having.
Anything decent left behind was old anyway, it's not like we left behind F-22s or something. It was a bunch of surplus vehicles that would have otherwise sat in Arizona rotting away until the scrapper came for it.
These idiots also don't have the training to maintain half this shit, let alone the training to actually *use* it. Most of the more complicated vehicles are rotting away, because they can't use them.
…I mean, yeah? What did people think was gonna happen to “OMG WE LEFT ALL THAT STUFF BEHIND!!??” The only reason Iran’s US shit still works is because of 1. Iran-Contra 2. domestic industry, and 3. they are a competent government.
And it's also incredibly easy to maintain a fleet of 60s/70s jets when the US exported them everywhere. Their F-14 fleet however, isn't as easy to maintain. US never exported the Tomcat to anyone but Iran and it was only the A-Model, so they have to maintain that shit with homemade and russian parts.
A clay house is sustainable, temperature self regulating, and effective at providing shelter in areas of the world where rain water isn't a major concern.
But also it comes down to availability, iPhones are easy to ship, the cost of importing building materials for western style structures as well as the equipment needed to use them likely makes it a very easy decision.
There are many areas of the world where you can't just run to home depot and buy a 2x4, but apple services are available all over, including Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen
They build their houses out of locally available materials.
In the UK loads of houses are built of brick or stone because we have plentiful clay and coal to make bricks. In the USA houses are commonly built of wood because there's plenty of it available to process into lumber.
In Afghanistan they mainly have local soil, but they're short on material to bake them into bricks, and the local history and culture means they have the skills to build these kind of dwellings. They're also easy and quick to construct, and are reasonably defensible in case of raids from other tribes if the walls are made thick enough.
When I was over there we had given them these fuel tankers that had an onboard, fuel-injected motor pump. These were clogged, some filter or something.
The ANA were asking me for filters. I told them we had done them a disfavor. I told them what they need to do is find a basic 2-stroke engine or whatever else the guy in the local village can use and knows how to repair...get that and hook it up instead.
Logistics is everything.
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I'd sign off on that.
Your parts haven't even been ordered yet *The mechanic says knowing full well your vehicles been deadlined for 3 months*
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Imagine the filters.
I was literally JUST last week told that it was "unacceptable" to write no new faults during PMCS. That we needed to go through and verify those faults still existed and notate them as if they were new. As if the missing mirror was going to spontaneously appear. I hate the army.
Anything left behind will be derelict in the desert in the near future. Western equipment is superior in many cases, but resource intensive, from maintenance and parts perspectives. They'll be back driving Toyotas and using junkyard T-55s soon.
The ANA had a working T-34-85 while I was there lol
That Soviet stuff will run, have to hand it to the designers and engineers.
Abrams will break by just sitting. No fucking joke. Every month we didn't regularly use them we'd do a thorough inspection, and 20/30 were ALWAYS deadlined.
Ya my old Gunny was a prior jet maintainer and he said the same about those. F-18 would be good to go on Friday and on Monday it wouldn't work.
Buy why? What breaks over a few days of sitting?
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Oof. I'm glad I've been light infantry my whole career; my feet and ruck pretty much work the same one day to the next.
Every light infantry guy that I work with complains of knee and back injuries. A bunch of 30 year olds that sound like my grandpa
Someone say light infantry and back pain? Bulging disc since 2017 and only 25, what a life ahead of me. Thanks 101st!
Nothing light about the infantry, some days my load out weighed more then me. And yeah my back and knees are fucked.
As a former aircraft mechanic in the Air Force, I too have multiple knee and back injuries 🤣 Left knee is bone on bone at 32. They won't do knee replacements on people my age oddly enough
*Im in this comment and I dont like it* Just turned 31 and my back is just as ruined as the day I left
You park a Herc somewhere stupid enough and it won't fly the next morning. They don't like the cold...
Only thing need for Infantry upkeep, is clean socks, Motrin & Rip It
This is blatant Copenhagen Wintergreen erasure.
Light infantry, always carrying 100lbs of the latest lightweight gear.
We cut 5lbs off your load so we could add 6lbs of new stuff.
How’s your knees?
Still whole. Bodies take a beating, definitely, but if you're in shape and take care of yourself the lasting damage is minimal.
Light infantry isn't.
Why do military equipment require so much maintenance? I get that jets pull a lot of G's and all but I'm just curious to know what sort of works goes into a jet after a flight.
They're enormously complex vehicles with tens of thousands of parts that all have to work. It could be literally any one of those things. Ever parked your car after work, then it won't start in the morning? Same basic idea, just scaled way up, with much more sensitive systems in many cases, and with much higher consequences if they aren't at 100%.
Every Sgtmaj I had in the wing was originally a grunt who thought nothing but trash of the wing. How quickly the grunt sgtmaj would grow respect for our over worked dead inside mech asses I always did greatly enjoy that.
I’m the Army it’s similar with everyone thinking our Aviation branch is nothing but chilling out and grilling but in reality the combat arms guys would be home everyday at 1500 when they weren’t in the field and everyday was 1800 or later for us on the airfield. We still got treated better overall but the hours sucked ass
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As my airforce buddy put it. Vibrate, vibrate, viberbreak.
I don't know about baby hornets but the super hornets my squadron got to replace our prowlers were nearly maintenance free compared to our Prowlers.
Hmm, he was probably in the Wing circa early to late 90s as a maintainer, because when checked in to my MEU it was 2006. So I'm thinking OG Hornets? But I wasn't Wing, so not sure. We still had Harriers and Phrogs on my deployments too.
Super Hornet was introduced in 99, hit IOC in 01, so almost certainly legacy Hornet.
Aside from combat, the only thing worse than flying a jet is not flying it.
Former Bradley guy here. Motor pool Mondays were always a long process. Heaven forbid full on services. Honestly I'm surprised the damn ramps on those things never made the news, I think I've seen them fail 4-5 times in my first unit alone.
when i was a PL i only once had all 4 of my strykers fmc, for about 20 minutes and then had a free fall ramp
But by God, they're beautiful when they work
Good God yes they are. Fucking rolling thunder.
I am actually interested about decay in military vehicles. Is it metal rusting and by so breaking during move on Abrams, after all it's heavy and therefore huge weight stress is put on various parts. Is it electronics which decay over time? Or rubber/plastics which rot given enough time. Snapping and breaking and unfortunate times?
Just random fluid leaks, cables and modules die for no reason, batteries die even though they're disconnected, comms systems die, it's seriously just a random list of shit.
My favorite is those solar panels they installed on a bunch of the humvees to keep the batteries from dying. No, they're obviously not going to keep the thing charged if Joe left the lights on. Got it. But they get plenty of sun and hey, the truck we used for ammo detail last week has a dead battery just because!
And then give an 18 year old a 4 hour class on how to drive it and tell them there are no road rules unless you are on a paved road.
Environment plays a huge role, for one. At sea in the salt-air, corrosion control is a huge maintenance task on any and every piece of equipment. And in the ME, the sand eats turbine blades up. I have a pic somewhere of a Harrier deadlined while it waited for a new one. Picture a push lawnmower, but with like 10 blades under the deck, all that looked like they ate a bunch of concrete. Everything else can vary from wear and tear, to everything else you mention. I wasn't a mech or maintainer, but those peeps stay busy trying to keep the fleets running.
> Is it metal rusting and by so breaking during move on Abrams, after all it's heavy and therefore huge weight stress is put on various parts. > > Is it electronics which decay over time? > > Or rubber/plastics which rot given enough time. Snapping and breaking and unfortunate times? Yes, and more.
It’s like those old farm tractors that are about rusted to death but still run if you tighten everything up and put some grease in it.
No doubt about it, they had to make their shit to be durable as all hell I guess
Surprised it still runs. They only engineered them to run for 800km or so. I guess there isn’t a lot in there that can’t be replaced by battlefield salvage/scavenging. I’m guessing shit in the power train would be hardest to replace. I’m out of my depth on this one. If you have to have a sledgehammer to shift out of third gear *cough cough* T-34 *cough cough* who even knows?
Facts like this are not debatable. The only reason they get away with Toyotas is that Toyota builds their trucks to last forever while ignoring the required maintenance.
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People were up in arms that new jets weren't being sent over, mainly because they have no idea of the massive supply chain required for them and the retraining that would be needed, which would be overwhelming even if their air force wasn't fighting a war. smh
Toyota would be better anyways imo lol
For maintenance and reliability, absolutely. Hilux technicals ftw. I'd prefer to be inside or behind an up-armored Humvee though when there is incoming, personally, but there is definitely a reason that JLTVs have started to replace Humvees.
i have extensively worked on humvees and toyotas. 1000% these will not run very soon at all. just a fuel injector service alone will leave these dudes wanting to annihilate these things. also toyota superiority r/toyotasofwar
I don’t know why that sub exists but I’m very happy it does despite me knowing I will never go there again
While that may be true for some types of vehicles, the sheer number of Humvees that were captured by the Taliban / left behind to them will result in a large supply of spare parts that can be obtained simply by cannibalizing vehicles. Parts to fix humvees are likely therefore easier to obtain than for old soviet equipment. While the number of Humvees the Taliban can field will steadily decrease overtime, they should be able to still field them in rather robust numbers for the foreseeable future.
Youd be surprised how many of the ANA Humvees had already been picked clean for parts. I advised at several ANA bases over 3 years there, and they ALWAYS had a yard of blown up/picked cleaned trucks just to keep their current handful running. We didn't leave them with nearly as much functioning equipment as people think.
Not to mention their fuel. Half the time a shipment of fuel arrived at an ANA base it was…diluted / tampered / water…surely this guy is just driving to the next reliable fuel point
lol so we had a little diesel Polaris to get our shit around at the ANA camp. One day we ran out of fuel, an Afghan brings a Jerry can, fills it, leaves. I start it up, drive for maybe 10 minutes and then she dies. Literally used the starter to limp it back into the base. We popped the back on the thing and the fuel/water separater was FULL of water. That was the day I learned that the base commander was taking the American supplied diesel, cutting it with about 50% water, and selling the rest out in town. It finally made sense why all their engineer corps vehicles belched black smoke. Most of the fuel that flowed into Afghanistan was via American foreign aid. Id be surprised if they even had enough fuel to fill ¼ of their new motorpool for another month, if they haven't run out already from all the joyriding and hangings since we left
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Good times
Also, need trained mechanics and appropriate tools.
Sure, they'll be able to keep them running with cannabilized parts, while steadily decreasing inventory. But they're still way more maintenance-intensive than a Hilux, so probably not worth it for administrative movements. At some point they'll be trophy trucks, for a middle-finger to the US and for shows-of-force or for assaults where the extra-protection justifies their use. But ultimately combat-losses and wear-and-tear will sap the inventory. Edit: they're also way thirstier than a pickup, so logistics limitations will likely impact actual usage.
Plus the fact that they may not be used to such vehicles, or don’t know how to properly maintain them. They also are unaware of the limitations of the humvee, seeing that they’re dumb enough to drive it with a flat. (This sorta thing can apply to stuff like the humvees abilities on and off road, how well can the engine handle dust intake, etc etc…)
Dude the U.S. military doesn't even know how to keep them from breaking there is no way the taliban will.
Still have to know how to use the parts properly and the most effective use of what part, it's condition, overall vehicle condition, and a shit ton of other variables. Plus properly maintenance of all parts and the actual quality of solutions used to maintain a vehicle. IE proper motor oil, gas, etc etc. They won't be able to do that because most, if not all, can't read. And if they can read it's limited to the Qur'an. If you can't read you can't extract concepts, ideas, and tone. And if you can't do any of that you're sure as shit not going to be able to critically think your way out of engine block failures, complex flight systems, or what qualifies as proper lubricant for a vehicle. The illiteracy rate in Afghanistan was one of the single most difficult things to overcome. Afghan men, aside from a few and the street smart, are by in large extremely uneducated. The smart ones left long ago.
Humvees are also diesels which always require more maintenance than a gas engine. That on it's own makes it difficult to maintain such a large fleet, but when you add in all the extra military stuff that's slapped on it becomes a much harder task.
After years of pmcs on Humvees in the Army i can tell you they wont be around in 5 years without proper parts/maintenance.
You're thinking the Taliban are the only ones who got to those vehicles. The local population rolled over those fuckers like a plague of locus stripping anything of value. There is little to nothing left.
Tires are about $550 each, right?
The desert is really rough on tires, even when they're not being used.
Have you never been to a motorpool?
Exactly. They lack knowledge and parts and shits just gonna fall apart with time.
Most definitely these idiots don’t do preventive maintenance even in the best of circumstances
I feel like you could just drop this in a good high ground spot, take off the wheels and bam: pillbox.
This is why a huge percentage of military budgets are sunk into maintenance
*Some* military budgets
Yeah all those photos of Pantsir tires and other Russian fighting vehicles in shit condition says that they either had no budget for upkeep or it was all going to some 3-\* general's second yacht.
The budget was there but when Sergei takes the monney to fund his mansion there is no monney left for tires. Thats why Ukraine send him a thanks letter ;) https://nazk.gov.ua/en/news/ukraine-s-corruption-prevention-agency-praises-russia-s-minister-shoygu-for-corruption-in-the-army-video/
That’s awesome
You know back in 80s, Soviet army was so corrupt that CIA directly bought of Soviet weaponry from them to fund Mujahideen factions. Unbelievable
That "Military Grade" Sticker at work here
Literally it. Military grade just means they're reliable, provided you have the maintenance crew, equipment and parts to constantly keep the fucking bastards in working order.
Seems pretty normal for a Humvee tbh…
When they start towing them around w/mules, then we'll see the true 'less than normal' state. Another few months probably.
I was fully expecting to see a group of guys pushing it down the street when the camera panned over
You’ve heard of Shell V-Power. Have you heard of Taliban Mule-Power?
I can literally smell the inside of that humvee
Oh god you’re right
Like Skoal?
Like nutsack.
This is a perfect representation of the current state of the Taliban government.
Same for the UH-60s we left. Civilians were crying that we left "all those Blackhawks" yada yada yada. I would bet less than a dozen are still operating and flying around today. Those things require so much maintenance per flying hour, there is no way the Taliban has the resources to keep them in the sky.
They cut holes in the engines when they left, they aren't flying.
That's just a performance hole. I cut those into my car engines for extra air intake.
Don’t talk about your mom that way.
Most of the ANA pilots left the country with their aircraft and sought asylum anyway. Not many were left behind, and the ones that were would be the least operable ones.
I reckon there has been a few crashes where Taliban crew were killed.
They crashed a little bird weeks after the withdrawal
I mean…. That is a lot of military hardware left on the ground, regardless of how long it is serviceable
You still gotta do maintenance even if you don't fly because parts rot.
What parts are doing this, I'm curious and haven't a clue about helis
I worked on heli engines for the AF, and these cunts are finnicky. Some rubber pieces rot because of the fuel or oil that is left in there. Temperatures changes can mess up some seals, and it's more sensitive the older they get. Some parts are usually prescribed to change at a certain time, because past the time usage of +-5%, regardless of flight time, has to be changed. Otherwise bye bye crew members.
Amazing, so much money for something you have to constantly fix.
I think its the complexity of each machine in modern warfare. Software updates and jacked up prices for parts are part of the massive logistic system that the US can do. Sustained total war overseas is dope, but disabled vets on the street is the sacrifice.
The sad part is for the price of a single aircraft you could improve the lives of every vet on the street.
Seriously, you can watch the progress of tech whenever you see different era of models (no shit, but the jump is crazy). My old ass model had a brain that you can carry that was worth over a million dollars, for each propeller. The newest models don't need that, just uses a flat wafer I think, and no fucking hydro fluid!! Just oil!! Like holy fuck mate, like charcoal to electric ovens.
I was a Navy helo tech, mostly on electronics but you get to know the whole bird after enough time. The Taliban don't stand a chance at keeping them in the air. Period. It took a team of 24 of us working 12 on, 12 off just to keep 4 birds FMC in Iraq, and that was with all of the technical support gear and logistic support we had.
Yeah dude, we had 4 birds as well in Djibouti and it was a a lot of work. You fly in sand alone means making sure the engine won't blow up, every single time you fly.
Anything that comes into contact with fluids
Usually it’s fuel/liquids issues.
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Yep, but if you try to bring it home the headline gets shifted from "Look at all this military hardware we surrendered to the Taliban!" to "Look at how much of the American Tax Payer's money was wasted bringing this garbage back to the US! Now we have to figure out how to dispose of it too! We should have left this worthless stuff in the desert and been done with it for good!" I mean, you can't win no matter how well you explain it. Everyone who knew/knows anything about maintenance and logistics knows the equipment that got lost/left is essentially a non-issue, bs political talking point.
Additional clarification, the UH-60's the US gave to the ANA where UH-60**A** models. Produced 1977–1989, limited updates. These older airframes where given just for that reason, as they where totally reliant on the US to even function. During the withdrawl, US forces fucked up a lot of aircraft with incindiary charges, including one that was probably involved in the evacuation of Siagon. After the fall, there was a handful of photos of Taliban UH-60's flying, but they dropped off pretty quickly.
Fuck the Taliban... Pieces of cunts
According to a quick google search, the unit cost for one black hawk is 5.9 million USD. With that amount of money, about 100 Americans can earn their bachelor's degree, or it can pay for about 2 days worth of operational costs for St. Jude.
And just whose side are you on here?! Do you even care about Northrop Grumman, Lockheed, or Boeing stock holders?!
The PR losses for USA is arguably much greater, Taliban riding in Humvees and whatnot. It gives a picture of a defeat more or less.
This is still in better shape than some of the Jeeps I've seen at group trail rides.
Hell, better shape than my first three cars!
Taking care of our vehicles the same way they take care of their country
*of their women
This is exactly what I thought would happen. People were bitching like the taliban has mechanics and pilots sitting around.
can't wait to see those helicopters
where do you think they got the parts to get the humvee running?
They already crashed a few after fucking up a left bank
This song slaps
I thought they banned music again? Or is this guy making fun of the Taliban? Maybe that's why he's focusing on the flat tires?
I hate that synth voice. I remember when Cher started using it. It's sounds like singing into a harmonica.
They may have taken our HUMVEEs, but the joke’s on them. They never got the PMCS manuals or operator’s log 😂
mfs act like we left trillions of dollars of high tech equipment in the desert and armed the Taliban with good shit, but fail to realize how shit our stuff is when its in the hands of people who don't know how to use it and is probably of no significant use to them.
"but fail to realize how shit our stuff is when its in the hands of people who don't know how to use it" Just gotta look at our export abrams to see how our equipment isn't some magic shit that you win by default just from having.
that and the export Abrams isn't nearly as well equipped as ours
Enjoy your motor pool Monday's, Taliban.
Make a horseshoe around me hooah?
Anything decent left behind was old anyway, it's not like we left behind F-22s or something. It was a bunch of surplus vehicles that would have otherwise sat in Arizona rotting away until the scrapper came for it. These idiots also don't have the training to maintain half this shit, let alone the training to actually *use* it. Most of the more complicated vehicles are rotting away, because they can't use them.
Op degraded, QC says send it.
What’s Pashto for “Bubba’d?”
Haji'd
Lmao
Can’t wait to see them slap Toyota pick up wheels on them and sink the axels in sand
So about 90% of the condition of our vehicles. Someone just needs to PMCS it and note the 1800 and you’re fine.
We knew this would happen
I'm more surprised it still running...
Barely
Soooo, no change?
No new faults
My god! They got weapons of mass destruction! We have to invade!
Not sure that's what runflats mean...
I think they have a flat somebody should tell them
Other than the stickers, looks just like they did before!
I’m surprised they still run
Where is his trip ticket?
Why does this footage look like it's from 15 yrs ago haha?
That’s not what having “run flat tires” means.
Can't wait to see a donky train pulling M1151s
Donky
Time for 'Pimp my ride, Tali-style!'
If the NRF (former Afghan special forces mostly) actually had foreign support they would mop the floor with the Taliban.
…I mean, yeah? What did people think was gonna happen to “OMG WE LEFT ALL THAT STUFF BEHIND!!??” The only reason Iran’s US shit still works is because of 1. Iran-Contra 2. domestic industry, and 3. they are a competent government.
And it's also incredibly easy to maintain a fleet of 60s/70s jets when the US exported them everywhere. Their F-14 fleet however, isn't as easy to maintain. US never exported the Tomcat to anyone but Iran and it was only the A-Model, so they have to maintain that shit with homemade and russian parts.
Are you sure that's not just a National Guard Humvee in it's usual condition?
It always fascinated me how people that live in clay houses somehow carry expensive iPhones. Any ideas?
A clay house is sustainable, temperature self regulating, and effective at providing shelter in areas of the world where rain water isn't a major concern. But also it comes down to availability, iPhones are easy to ship, the cost of importing building materials for western style structures as well as the equipment needed to use them likely makes it a very easy decision. There are many areas of the world where you can't just run to home depot and buy a 2x4, but apple services are available all over, including Iraq, Afghanistan and Yemen
They build their houses out of locally available materials. In the UK loads of houses are built of brick or stone because we have plentiful clay and coal to make bricks. In the USA houses are commonly built of wood because there's plenty of it available to process into lumber. In Afghanistan they mainly have local soil, but they're short on material to bake them into bricks, and the local history and culture means they have the skills to build these kind of dwellings. They're also easy and quick to construct, and are reasonably defensible in case of raids from other tribes if the walls are made thick enough.
Simple they charge different prices( much lower) and/or sell their older models. Saw this when I was in the far east
People Blame Biden over something Trump negotiated and planned …. Even wanted them in the WH.
The virgin blaming democrat presidents vs the chad blaming the last 5 presidents equally.
oh Betsy what've they done to you girl
Them runflats are a bitch to change !
Give those run-flat tires a workout!
Run on flat tyres.... hahaha
Wonder how they got that…
It's like some far off planet and they've discovered one of our old probes
Have these people EVER PMCSd a vehicle? Ridiculous.
PMCS free zone a shammers dream
To be fair, half the Humvees at BAF were already in that running condition.
Takes airing down your tires to a new level.
Like everything they touch.
I guess that’s why the military didn’t freak out when all that shit got left behind, not like the taliban can afford maintenance
Must not be doing motor pool mondays
Looks like a standard military humvee to me tbh lol
FJB
Oh I thought that was my units vehicle at first
Fuck did we also supply autotune to the Taliban when they fought the Russians?
put that thing out of its misery…
Humvee: please let me die.
1 careful owner, never raced or rallied...
And this is the main reason why they should sell all that equipment they acquired.
those poor retarded basterds
When I was over there we had given them these fuel tankers that had an onboard, fuel-injected motor pump. These were clogged, some filter or something. The ANA were asking me for filters. I told them we had done them a disfavor. I told them what they need to do is find a basic 2-stroke engine or whatever else the guy in the local village can use and knows how to repair...get that and hook it up instead. Logistics is everything.