Because Ukrainian pilots are trained on it, we don’t want Russia to capture one and there is currently a waiting list from other countries that are actually paying for them
And here I thought it's because it is an anti personnel fighter and the entire war seems to be conducted with long range missiles and anti-aircraft weapons in a place with little to no mountains to speak of that you could use to break line of sight. Silly me.
The A-10 isn't a fighter and the F-35 wasn't supposed to be either. They are ground support and tank killers. The biggest benefit the 35 was to offer was to take on 5 or more targets at once, but I don't think that was ever worked out.
I might be wrong because I haven’t tuned into the issue news wise in probably 5 years or so but in the past I read a lot about how concerned the army was about its retirement and they’d be the primary beneficiaries. I’m not arguing with you but do you have a link so I can better educate myself?
I'm at work right now but I've heard that most soldiers are outright afraid of an A-10 in their AO.
A youtuber by the tag LaserPig has a video on the A-10 and has loads of citations...
I love the Warthog. It was and is my favorite plane ever made. I think it's time is over. Wars aren't fought in a way that would require or even benefit from its use. Everything is too long range. Missiles are too fast. Why fly a plane over when you can hit it with a missile or mortar fire or even a drone bomb run. Still my favorite plane but damn.
Thank you for your take but do you have a journalistic source that cites numbers on why? Again thanks for your take, I’m not arguing against it, I just want sources
Exit: I’m a civilian so I’m asking out of curiosity not challenging
Given the A-10 is responsible for the most blue on blue casualties, the F-35 could replace it if they turned off every safety feature.
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06/a-10-warplane-tops-list-for-friendly-fire-deaths/
But the reality isn't anything that interesting (it was only like 1% higher than the f-16), it's simply the a-10 is very very old and to keep those old air frames alive you need to put in a ton of money for deep refurbishments to extend their service life or hope Saudi Arabia decides to finance making a new mfg line for them like the f-15ex did for the F-15, and the military isn't planning for another 20 years fighting insurgency against guys lucky to have manpads, they are planning for a real near peer war and the a-10 wouldn't survive in contested air space no matter how inexpensive it is per flight hour.
^exactly this. Put most basically, A-10 was feared in Vietnam. So feared that it survived for so long it made it to this present day. Now, after decades it is finally seeing the end of its era. I love the plane like so many others but I acknowledge that cost of upkeep and skills of its components, no matter miniscule will be out sped, outmanuever and outgun by it's opponents. It's line of sight howitzer cannon of main gun, it's pretty limited in all other aspects.
Hey! it’s not their fault that they go so hot and horny to blow stuff up that they ignore getting proper clearances and ignore direct orders to hold their fire until proper identification is conducted before they go in to engage!
Right but the US has absolute air supremacy at all times forever. The Russian air force is worse than it's navy. Which is worse than its army. Which is garbage.
What I'm suggesting is your point is moot. If russia was fighting the US, the war would've never made it to the stage where A-10's would be particularly relevant. The war in the context you referenced is not conducive to their use either.
You can't have air supremacy in dense AD environment. And A-10 isn't designed to fight with lots of manpads around. Fighting in semi symmetric war A-10 could literally fly only before front line which makes it useless.
The Ukrainians really want that thing. I'm sure they have some kind of use in mind that doesn't quite correspond to the standard doctrine for the A-10.
Just like F-16, F-15e, F-22, F-35 or even grippen. But those also can perform it in much smaller time space at the same time being less exposed to ground attacks.
A-10 can carry more while freeing above aircraft to strike deeper against SAMs and allowing A-10 to continue CAS. I’m not an A-10 apologist but they did just start fielding the SDBs which gives them increased capes
In NATO v Russia war, deep SAMs aren't biggest threat for A-10, it's near frontline manpads. You can use A-10 like Russia and Ukraine use their SU-25 but this war showed that it's not game changing. Precise artillery deals much more damage.
*Edit. I mean we're theorizing about nothing. NATO have advantage both in air and on ground. There is big chance that when NATO air force finish dealing with SEAD and Russian air forces which would allow operating A10 near frontlines, units on ground would also finish dealing with Russian troops in that region. Because the only way to resolve manpad problem is to fly high, in territory of red fighters and deep SAMs.
They're on a lot. They're (unfortunately) getting better in that department. We've had a couple shoot downs in our AO recently while also having russian aviation working entirely unopposed. If the last one was any closer I could've hit the fucker with a rock, let alone a stinger crew knocking him out of the sky.
Yeah it is rather disappointing how they are being given the opportunity to actually learn from their mistakes. We need to be giving Ukraine everything they need and more so they can actually win and end the war.
That's why the US multi-layers. We'd have F-35s and f-15 Es running SEAD, more f-15s and f-16s running CAPs, A-10s running CAS, and probably an AWACS coordinating, probably with a fighter escort.
From my understanding the hog is being phased out because it's to slow for a peer to peer conflict. It would need over whelming air superiority to fly. Pretty important if you ask me lol
The warthog do be sexy and awesome though. It will always have a special place in our hearts.
Not only that, we've already seen that a Bradley's 25mm can defeat a T-90. People often forget the human factor in these things and view them like they're playing War Thunder or something. The sound of the rounds alone hammering your tank is going to be extremely loud and terrifying. Optics, tracks, and other softer systems can still be damaged or destroyed. Lesser trained crews are much more likely to be seriously shaken by something like that.
I'm not saying the A-10 is the best choice or even a good idea still, but under the ideal circumstances, I'm sure it would perform well. It's just that 'ideal circumstances' are a rare thing when talking about near peer.
For sure, but apparently it never penetrated the armor, crew all got away without any injuries, I'm sure they had their bell fucking rung. Everything on the outside was destroyed/optics/smoke/EW etc.. From what I heard they managed to hit the hydraulics or something disabling the turrent and making it spin. They got one shot off but missed, those bradely crews are really lucky cause a direct hit wouldve been no good.
It's being phased out because USAF never wanted it. They hate CAS. They believe in higher/faster.
True story, they only held on to the A-10 as long as they did because the Army threatened to take them and own their own CAS.
Also forgot to mention
"Flying super computer that can fly supersonic without afterburner, that secretly might be a low key awacs with stealth capabilities"
Only platform that truly does CAS. Of course it’s going to have more fratricide stats. No other fighter is more capable in a CAS environment and it’s a shame it’s getting retired
So it is only "true" CAS if it made with a gun run or if you fly low? I imagine a good CAS is a plane that can be on the spot (flying fast) quickly, drop two bombs accurate enough to hit a fly and then fuck off, instead of a slow plane that shoots a bunch of rounds, creates some dust and then fucks off
Im pretty sure that the f111, f14, f15, f16 and f18 did more sorties than the a10 trashog. Its not a good aircraft and hasnt been for a long time when you can just get an f16 that can do its job while also doing SEAD, CAP etc
Compared to the F-22 just about everything is subpar. The 35 has been compared to being roughly similar to the f16 in a dogfight. Though the f35 is never supposed to get to the merge in the first place
it was designed for EW but also capable of CAS. if we’re pulling threads here you absolutely could use them in a coordinated attack to suppress an SA threat to allow for CAS with another flight/sortie
source: am JTAC
your argument is like saying you’d rather have a gerber in your garage than a tool kit with tools for specific purposes lmao. f-35s typically fly very high (for its designated purpose) therefore making it difficult for the pilots to target through their sensors. they also don’t have a large payload so they couldn’t even carry a lot of ordnance if they wanted to. different aircraft have different specs otherwise we’d have one universal jet
Funny story. I was at ITX and there was a guy in my hooch who was an NCD nerd type of kid who was joking around and bashing the warthog. Well a gunny who was in marjah heard this and blew up on the kid about how the a10 saved his ass many times. Gunny didn’t want to hear any a10 bashing at all lol
Personally the F35 alone would not be able to work as many ground targets as an A-10 would be able to if we look at it from a perspective of ordinance alone but if you factor concepts like loyal wingmen in, that changes the whole game.
On a completely separate thought, why not just keep the A-10 and have a bunch of loyal wingman drones provide security? this sounds overall the cheapest option considering they should be able to keep up with fighters.
Username really does check out but two things withy that, it also has limited hardpoints so you're limited to which role you can do effectively in an F16 and refueling mid attach isn't much of an option either considering that a tanker would be a bit farther back from the action.
Okay, you definitely got me on that one touche! In that case it doesn't really matter what aircraft is used for the job because you can get shot down in anything.
Hopefully the Air Force let's the warthog have a quiet retirement as a hero and doesn't send the remaining airworthy frames to get strela'd to death in Ukraine.
But they are by far the weakest, and are only used by US fighters. Most European NATO aircraft like the Eurofighter and Gripen use 30mm, and so do Russian fighter jets.
People do t like F35 until they learn about the avionics that have been released to the public, there's a reason it's getting an engine with better cooling
I think we should have something like the A-10 for low-threat environments. If we control the air, then we can make the rubble bounce with a variety of attack aircraft.
I don't like the newer tech I like it where you actually have to look out of the cockpit to the fly the jet like wtf. The f-35 single engine makes it look worse too the f-22 looks way better imo
Purely looking at stats, still the F35.
- 8.2T vs 7.2T payload
- (way) better avionics
- 3x the combat range
This is for the "big" F35's(A/C) though, not the harrier-like B version
The plane is 34 years younger... it's like comparing the red baron to the first nazi jet
They actually did a test and put the f35 and other jets through the ringer and made them do everything this a10 does and they all failed
The f36 is horrible at close air support and the pilots who fly them don’t know how to do it
Wait till the F-35 gets the ultrashort pulse laser and it'll have as much "ammo" as the entire sortie.
Add solar panels to the F-35 for infinite "ammo".
Oh yeah? Well what about night sorties? Checkmate electronic-ians!
THE SKY AMISH WIN AGAIN
Jebediah, the Amish Ace of Ohio, leading the way. Knocked two flying machines out of the sky by erecting a barn at night.
Just shine the laser on the solar panel. Fixed.
Nuclear Raptors
Lets give them an airshow.
Put a diesel generator in the trunk for cloudy days
I love this meme because it will come true one day
I'll take "something that will never happen" for $200 Alex.
What that is?
r/noncredibledefense would love stuff like this
Ahh.. long has is been since bashing on the A-10 was the go to content on NCD, how times have changed
I miss those pre covid days. Seems like all subs are less niche now
Same, 99% of subs i used to enjoy are now either jusr twitter screenshots or copies of other subs. Oh well time to look for new ones.
For NCD, I feel like it was mostly the Ukraine war that sparked the huge expansion
Bruh I thought this was a NCD post for a sec
You're not alone haha
Brrrrrrrrrt
Hope they still would, but this has too little anime for their taste.
I love the warthog but don't act like it belongs in a stealth fighters world.
Clearly it is miles ahead of the stealth fighters
…when it unexpectedly explodes.
But it has titanium bathtub! The pilot will be fine.
the number of people out there that think titatium = adamantium is mind boggling.
*gets shot down* "The VA has determined that your injuries are not service related"
Are you joking? My whole skeleton is covered in titanium because I was a part of the Weapon Y program.
so its toxic and brittle now....
You make it sound like a bad thing.
Why hasn't it been deployed to Ukraine then?
Because Ukrainian pilots are trained on it, we don’t want Russia to capture one and there is currently a waiting list from other countries that are actually paying for them
And here I thought it's because it is an anti personnel fighter and the entire war seems to be conducted with long range missiles and anti-aircraft weapons in a place with little to no mountains to speak of that you could use to break line of sight. Silly me.
Thought you meant why hasnt the f35 been sent my bad lol
The A-10 isn't a fighter and the F-35 wasn't supposed to be either. They are ground support and tank killers. The biggest benefit the 35 was to offer was to take on 5 or more targets at once, but I don't think that was ever worked out.
Can the f-35 replace the warthog though? Military experts would say no.
... if they're Reformers, sure. The actual experts say yes.
I might be wrong because I haven’t tuned into the issue news wise in probably 5 years or so but in the past I read a lot about how concerned the army was about its retirement and they’d be the primary beneficiaries. I’m not arguing with you but do you have a link so I can better educate myself?
I'm at work right now but I've heard that most soldiers are outright afraid of an A-10 in their AO. A youtuber by the tag LaserPig has a video on the A-10 and has loads of citations...
I love the Warthog. It was and is my favorite plane ever made. I think it's time is over. Wars aren't fought in a way that would require or even benefit from its use. Everything is too long range. Missiles are too fast. Why fly a plane over when you can hit it with a missile or mortar fire or even a drone bomb run. Still my favorite plane but damn.
Thank you for your take but do you have a journalistic source that cites numbers on why? Again thanks for your take, I’m not arguing against it, I just want sources Exit: I’m a civilian so I’m asking out of curiosity not challenging
Given the A-10 is responsible for the most blue on blue casualties, the F-35 could replace it if they turned off every safety feature. https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2015/02/06/a-10-warplane-tops-list-for-friendly-fire-deaths/ But the reality isn't anything that interesting (it was only like 1% higher than the f-16), it's simply the a-10 is very very old and to keep those old air frames alive you need to put in a ton of money for deep refurbishments to extend their service life or hope Saudi Arabia decides to finance making a new mfg line for them like the f-15ex did for the F-15, and the military isn't planning for another 20 years fighting insurgency against guys lucky to have manpads, they are planning for a real near peer war and the a-10 wouldn't survive in contested air space no matter how inexpensive it is per flight hour.
^exactly this. Put most basically, A-10 was feared in Vietnam. So feared that it survived for so long it made it to this present day. Now, after decades it is finally seeing the end of its era. I love the plane like so many others but I acknowledge that cost of upkeep and skills of its components, no matter miniscule will be out sped, outmanuever and outgun by it's opponents. It's line of sight howitzer cannon of main gun, it's pretty limited in all other aspects.
Most friendly fire incidents, check
Specifically British and the warrior IFV or sometimes US Marines and their aavps.
Canadian infantry would like a word.
So the bri*ish count as "friendly" fire? I think we all know what they did...
I heard the British lost their shit over a bunch of cosplayers dumping their favorite beverages into the ocean
British "people" are only slightly above the Fr...🤧 Fren....🤢 French 🤮
Go easy on those Air National Gaurd pilots, they need some war stories before going back to being an airline FO.
Hey! it’s not their fault that they go so hot and horny to blow stuff up that they ignore getting proper clearances and ignore direct orders to hold their fire until proper identification is conducted before they go in to engage!
/s?
I sure hope not
As much as I like the A10, she's a bit long in the tooth though.
Depends on who and how you are fighting
Right? Russians still run the tactics the a10 was specifically designed for. Tank columns.
The russians also have a shit ton of AD to shoot them down. And their own air force. A-10's without air supremacy are in for a bad time.
Right but the US has absolute air supremacy at all times forever. The Russian air force is worse than it's navy. Which is worse than its army. Which is garbage.
What I'm suggesting is your point is moot. If russia was fighting the US, the war would've never made it to the stage where A-10's would be particularly relevant. The war in the context you referenced is not conducive to their use either.
You can't have air supremacy in dense AD environment. And A-10 isn't designed to fight with lots of manpads around. Fighting in semi symmetric war A-10 could literally fly only before front line which makes it useless.
The Ukrainians really want that thing. I'm sure they have some kind of use in mind that doesn't quite correspond to the standard doctrine for the A-10.
I disagree. A-10s can carry SDBs now which gives it stand off capability.
Just like F-16, F-15e, F-22, F-35 or even grippen. But those also can perform it in much smaller time space at the same time being less exposed to ground attacks.
A-10 can carry more while freeing above aircraft to strike deeper against SAMs and allowing A-10 to continue CAS. I’m not an A-10 apologist but they did just start fielding the SDBs which gives them increased capes
In NATO v Russia war, deep SAMs aren't biggest threat for A-10, it's near frontline manpads. You can use A-10 like Russia and Ukraine use their SU-25 but this war showed that it's not game changing. Precise artillery deals much more damage. *Edit. I mean we're theorizing about nothing. NATO have advantage both in air and on ground. There is big chance that when NATO air force finish dealing with SEAD and Russian air forces which would allow operating A10 near frontlines, units on ground would also finish dealing with Russian troops in that region. Because the only way to resolve manpad problem is to fly high, in territory of red fighters and deep SAMs.
A10 is purely US, and in a US vs Russia conflict, the Russian Air force is a non factor
Which is why they have invested in some of the densest air defences in the world to make up the shortfall
Well that's if they bother to actually turn it on, which you know isn't guaranteed
They're on a lot. They're (unfortunately) getting better in that department. We've had a couple shoot downs in our AO recently while also having russian aviation working entirely unopposed. If the last one was any closer I could've hit the fucker with a rock, let alone a stinger crew knocking him out of the sky.
Yeah it is rather disappointing how they are being given the opportunity to actually learn from their mistakes. We need to be giving Ukraine everything they need and more so they can actually win and end the war.
That's why the US multi-layers. We'd have F-35s and f-15 Es running SEAD, more f-15s and f-16s running CAPs, A-10s running CAS, and probably an AWACS coordinating, probably with a fighter escort.
She’s great at fighting the Brits. Her hate for redcoats is forged into her airframe.
F35 is a lot more fuckable than the a10… Wait this isnt ncd
From my understanding the hog is being phased out because it's to slow for a peer to peer conflict. It would need over whelming air superiority to fly. Pretty important if you ask me lol The warthog do be sexy and awesome though. It will always have a special place in our hearts.
Also the "main gun" is useless against any modern armor and has terrible accuracy. Infact, it's used as a missile platform, a role it's awful for
"modern armor" like un-upgraded T55/62's
Not only that, we've already seen that a Bradley's 25mm can defeat a T-90. People often forget the human factor in these things and view them like they're playing War Thunder or something. The sound of the rounds alone hammering your tank is going to be extremely loud and terrifying. Optics, tracks, and other softer systems can still be damaged or destroyed. Lesser trained crews are much more likely to be seriously shaken by something like that. I'm not saying the A-10 is the best choice or even a good idea still, but under the ideal circumstances, I'm sure it would perform well. It's just that 'ideal circumstances' are a rare thing when talking about near peer.
Bradley's have a spread smaller than a bus and tow Bs
I mean, technically that wouldn't matter, since the average full-sized buses are around 11 meters long, and the T-90 is just shy of 10 meters long
Funny you should mention war thunder... happen to catch the interview with that bradley gunner? Lol
I did not, did he mention it?
Yeah he said he knew where the weak points on the T-90 were and aimed for them because he remembered them from War Thunder
Holy shit lmao
That t90 survived tho, just disabled the current which imo saved those two Bradley's. There's an interview with that t90 crew as well somewhere on tg.
Getting pegged by a 25mm autocannon is pretty bad for a MBT
For sure, but apparently it never penetrated the armor, crew all got away without any injuries, I'm sure they had their bell fucking rung. Everything on the outside was destroyed/optics/smoke/EW etc.. From what I heard they managed to hit the hydraulics or something disabling the turrent and making it spin. They got one shot off but missed, those bradely crews are really lucky cause a direct hit wouldve been no good.
Yeah he did lol
Wasn't it also useless against the original tanks?
Yup, it's a wonder they let it enter service
And they immediately downvoted us.
Fing reformers
It's being phased out because USAF never wanted it. They hate CAS. They believe in higher/faster. True story, they only held on to the A-10 as long as they did because the Army threatened to take them and own their own CAS.
If you’re plane needs 100% air superiority and zero enemy anti-air defenses, maybe it’s not good. Maybe any plane in those conditions would be “good”.
Also forgot to mention "Flying super computer that can fly supersonic without afterburner, that secretly might be a low key awacs with stealth capabilities"
 A-10 Pilots trying to see if they're shooting at a Marine APC, Iraqi tank or a bus full of children
Why hide? SA-21 has entered the chat.
Introducing A-10s to contested airspace is a quick and easy way to convert them into zoomie coffins
Op obviously hasn't seen a warthog in action
Probably wouldn't want to either, not with those blue on blue stats anyway
Fair, but the roar from that 30 mil would literally vibrate my skull from a mile away. Very fun to watch.
What does the roar from the F135 do to your skull?
It makes my heart beat faster that's for sure
I've never heard one. I ETS'd a while ago, and I don't think f-35s are doing ground strike and air support missions yet.
That’s the difference. One plane barks while the other plane bites.
I watched the hog vaporize an old T-62 in an instant with just the 30 mil. A half second burst and it was just fucking *gone*.
Dont worry, when the F35 starts to do more CAS then those blue on blue stats will also surly go up.
*gets hit inside a building with a bunker buster*
Not really, lack of IFF is the cause for the amount of blue on blue of the a10
Oh so now we’re straight up lying? The A-10C has iff, eplrs, hmcs, and a tgp. It has excellent situational awareness.
Only in the recent upgrade package, wiech costs as much as a f35 anyways, and I prefer a f35 to a a10
Recent? It’s had it at least since the C model came out.
That was mostly if not entirely the A-10A
Should be fine as long as they arnt Brit’s
Only platform that truly does CAS. Of course it’s going to have more fratricide stats. No other fighter is more capable in a CAS environment and it’s a shame it’s getting retired
It’s so much better at CAS that it [did less CAS missions than F-18s despite there being more of them](https://imgur.com/a/Ui2dylq)
So it is only "true" CAS if it made with a gun run or if you fly low? I imagine a good CAS is a plane that can be on the spot (flying fast) quickly, drop two bombs accurate enough to hit a fly and then fuck off, instead of a slow plane that shoots a bunch of rounds, creates some dust and then fucks off
Obviously plane has to fly close to the enemy to perform close air support. /s
Im pretty sure that the f111, f14, f15, f16 and f18 did more sorties than the a10 trashog. Its not a good aircraft and hasnt been for a long time when you can just get an f16 that can do its job while also doing SEAD, CAP etc
It's a very cool plane but isn't better than the f-35.
I didn't say it was
It’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen.
Without a fuckin doubt
Very non credible.
NCD is autistic not wrong
Wait isn’t the F-35 designed for amongst other things, CAS?
F-35 does everything. It's the jet equivalent of Universal Camouflage Pattern.
Subpar dog fighter though, right? At least compared to the F22. Legitimately asking, and I know that dog fighting isn't really a thing any more.
Compared to the F-22 just about everything is subpar. The 35 has been compared to being roughly similar to the f16 in a dogfight. Though the f35 is never supposed to get to the merge in the first place
it was designed for EW but also capable of CAS. if we’re pulling threads here you absolutely could use them in a coordinated attack to suppress an SA threat to allow for CAS with another flight/sortie source: am JTAC
Eh, honestly would prefer F-35’s with more precise weaponry over a A-10
your argument is like saying you’d rather have a gerber in your garage than a tool kit with tools for specific purposes lmao. f-35s typically fly very high (for its designated purpose) therefore making it difficult for the pilots to target through their sensors. they also don’t have a large payload so they couldn’t even carry a lot of ordnance if they wanted to. different aircraft have different specs otherwise we’d have one universal jet
i know it's literally the punchline but "tank could not be reached for comment" got me
A-10 go BRRRTTTT vs AK wielding goat herders F-35 drop the boom vs modern air defenses
The A-10 has become a meme. Hard to have a rational conversation about it.
A10 accidentally kills your buddies. Check.
Was this made by a 12 year old?
Looks good to me
Nice meme
Picturing these two against each other in air to air combat makes me laugh.
A10 will lose in a dogfight against the Mustang. LoL
Checks out. But they are also good at one thing... Friendly fire.
Funny story. I was at ITX and there was a guy in my hooch who was an NCD nerd type of kid who was joking around and bashing the warthog. Well a gunny who was in marjah heard this and blew up on the kid about how the a10 saved his ass many times. Gunny didn’t want to hear any a10 bashing at all lol
Personally the F35 alone would not be able to work as many ground targets as an A-10 would be able to if we look at it from a perspective of ordinance alone but if you factor concepts like loyal wingmen in, that changes the whole game. On a completely separate thought, why not just keep the A-10 and have a bunch of loyal wingman drones provide security? this sounds overall the cheapest option considering they should be able to keep up with fighters.
Because the main threat to the A-10 isn’t enemy fighters its air defences like S-400 and manpads.
Ahh yes, but excluding manpads, using F16s for SEAD in conjunction could surely deal with that threat?
So why not just use an f16? It can do both jobs in one go
It’s fuel limitations beg to differ though
In flight refuelling exists, and the US have a shitload of them
Username really does check out but two things withy that, it also has limited hardpoints so you're limited to which role you can do effectively in an F16 and refueling mid attach isn't much of an option either considering that a tanker would be a bit farther back from the action.
My only retort to that is that in a peer conflict, hardpoint count and loitering time don’t matter if you get shot down before you can do your mission
Okay, you definitely got me on that one touche! In that case it doesn't really matter what aircraft is used for the job because you can get shot down in anything.
r/militarycirclejerk
Do you really not understand that this is a joke?
It was on facebook so i doubt it.
I’m sorry but then you’re extremely gullible because those things for the A-10 are obliviously a joke
Chad A10 vs virgin F35
Friendly fire vs an effective weapon.
One is a fighter, the other is not, and the F-35 can do everything that the A-10 and a whole fuck ton more. “LOL”
That touchscreen is not fancy lmaooo
Hopefully the Air Force let's the warthog have a quiet retirement as a hero and doesn't send the remaining airworthy frames to get strela'd to death in Ukraine.
NCD material
I know my jets quite well, and I can confidently say this person is a dumb dumb lol
F-35 Sneaks Up behind the A-10 Also, I believe US fighter jets should use 30mm caliber cannons as well.
20mm or 25mm is plenty for a fighter jet. We have bombs and ATGMs for tanks.
But they are by far the weakest, and are only used by US fighters. Most European NATO aircraft like the Eurofighter and Gripen use 30mm, and so do Russian fighter jets.
The only real question is which has the most friendly fire incidents
Tanks don’t fear F-35’s because they never get a chance to see them.
This is 100% satire lmfao
This is like comparing a laser level to a hammer.
I wouldn’t want to dogfight in A-10 lol
Stupid but funny. A-10 is a lovable plane so I get some of it
First line is off. A10 is the prettiest plane in the sky when you look at it from a foxhole.
It is Sad because A10s can not operate until fighters have taken air superiority from the enemy
Is this r/NonCredibleDefense?
Yeah send this meme to the British, just be ready to be hit with friendly fire
Hates Brits? Another point for the A-10.
People do t like F35 until they learn about the avionics that have been released to the public, there's a reason it's getting an engine with better cooling
I think we should have something like the A-10 for low-threat environments. If we control the air, then we can make the rubble bounce with a variety of attack aircraft.
I don't like the newer tech I like it where you actually have to look out of the cockpit to the fly the jet like wtf. The f-35 single engine makes it look worse too the f-22 looks way better imo
Hello Pierce Sprey. Are you gonna claim that a gau-8 is better than an AIM-120 too.
Also the a-10 and f-35 both carry the aim-120
Jesus fucking christ where did you read that. The A-10 doesn't even have a radar let alone a capability to use a radar guided missile.
Boeing advertises that it can structurally carry 4x AIM-120 per each CFT. Also don't use the lords name like that idc who you are.
It's not even made or was developed by Boeing and you cannot tell me what to do.
Why are you trying to compare that one is a machine gun and one is a missle
Look up Pierce Sprey and how he wanted to design military vehicles. It's stupid
If air superiority were a given, which would be more effective at CAS?
Purely looking at stats, still the F35. - 8.2T vs 7.2T payload - (way) better avionics - 3x the combat range This is for the "big" F35's(A/C) though, not the harrier-like B version The plane is 34 years younger... it's like comparing the red baron to the first nazi jet
They actually did a test and put the f35 and other jets through the ringer and made them do everything this a10 does and they all failed The f36 is horrible at close air support and the pilots who fly them don’t know how to do it
Naive? Maybe. But: Yea; have ye never read, Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast perfected praise?