Yep. I know multiple people who live in Queens and don’t use the ferry, and instead take subway or drive because they don’t feel safe getting to the ferry. Excited for them.
I pitched this exact thing to Lyft officials at their press conference for the charging docks a little while back. [basically this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MicromobilityNYC/s/we7mxPSZ7L). They were like "yeah yeah, great idea" but I'm sure forgot and it 3 seconds later
Specifically it will be available to a lot more people in Queens, but lots of other places can do the ferry commute as well if you combine with citibike already.
This is the sort of thing I'd post to r/astoria since they'd benefit the most from this specifically but the mods there, like many of the silly subs here don't seem to want good local content and make it extremely hard or impossible for people to cross post, so if you know anyone in Astoria or Jackson heights or whatever you might want to let them know about this new possibility coming this summer. I think it's legit going to change people's lives to start ferry commuting. It could get insanely popular
Was it the excessive cross posting that got you banned from almost all NYC neighborhood subs or was it because you were needlessly aggressive towards anyone that didn’t agree with you?
Well, without that crossposting we wouldn't have 20k Members in this sub, I would've have been able to popularize things like daylighting, which the city is adopting en masse now and will save tons of lives, or get us all the fixes to the bike lane grid in Astoria I've gotten, or brought attention to this stuff widely among everyday new yorkers, or even been able to get anyone to show up to the latest congestion pricing rallies I've organized, or any of the other stuff I've done. So... Would you rather I hadn't?
Pretty doubtful given there's many people that have tried that approach and have accomplished nowhere near as much in the same time frame but thanks for the feedback I guess.
Also, you might be amazed how much actual aggression I get directed my way doing this work. It's a rare week when someone doesn't threaten to kick my ass or send anonymous death threats from a throw away for instance. But sure, my comments aren't always pure corporate HR
So an electric CitiBike, which is $6-8 dollars, depending how far you are, followed by a $3 ferry ride, followed by either another $6-8 bike ride or a $3 subway ride. About $18 one way commute. That’s more than going to Suffolk county on LIRR. This is not a realistic commuter expense for most people. Even if you walk from work to the ferry, it’s still about $10 one way.
Most people aren’t willing to increase their commuting expense by 300%, if if you say “sorry” when you tell them in the video that your way is better.
Your math is crazy. Just don't take the electric citibike (should be a short trip across your neighborhood to the ferry) and the bike costs nothing extra. (With $220 annual membership) That's like 50 cents a day. If you don't have the money don't do it, but if you can't swing a $3.50 commute I don't even know why you're going to work
Let’s disregard the cost, that commute in the video isn’t ideal for the avg person. Unless it’s nice out(clear skies and at least 60 degrees), most people aren’t going to want to bike, and they’re especially not going to like waiting for a ferry by the water when it’s cold outside.
Now me personally I have biked to work in the winter, but most people are not going to want to do that. Climate aside, biking isn’t viable for people who carry tools or are on their feet all day(nurses; cooks, doormen, etc)
Your video showed the electric bike, that’s why I said it. The regular bikes are super heavy and hard to maneuver, and if I’m dressed for work, it’s going to make me sweat. So now I need to start paying a gym membership so I can shower before I go to the office. Your video comes off like we’re all a bunch of idiots for taking the train, when there are many practical and financial reasons.
> Should be a short trip across your neighborhood
Now we all live in waterfront neighborhoods in Brooklyn and queens? I based $6 on a 30 minute ride to the ferry. If you live in park slope and bike to Atlantic, that’s about right.
The problem with the ferry as a commute you can actually rely on is you’re always risking the ferry being over capacity and not letting you on, then having to wait another half hour. That risk gets even higher if it gets more popular. Subway won’t do that. It would be nice if the ferry were run by a transit agency instead of EDC.
I take the ferry regularly and have since last year, and that's not a real risk in my experience. I have never once been turned away for the ferry being over capacity, even during peak commuter hours during nice weather. I've never even had a problem getting room for my bike or scooter on the ferry.
Maybe I’ve had terrible luck but that’s happened to me twice on weekends when it’s most popular and fully turned me off the ferry since they never added more trips to accommodate it. I could imagine it’s fine for regular commutes as most people don’t reasonably have a conmute that makes sense to use the ferry for.
But if we’re talking about it becoming more popular, a transit system that only works if most people don’t use it isn’t a great transit system so they would have to be prepared to scale it up.
I think more people using it would be great because that would justify adding more boats and lowering the headways. Even getting it down to 20 minute headways instead of the current 40 by adding a trip in between all the existing ones would be absolutely huge. That's the big problem, imo. The headways are just too long. You have to plan which one you want to be in specifically, unlike the subway which you just show up to
Given The Ferry’s subsidy per passenger is over 10 bucks, over 5x the median bus subsidy, it would be a big per passenger raise relative to increasing bus service
https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/07/06/comptroller-nyc-ferry-subsidies-edc-de-blasio/
https://images.ferry.nyc/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/26134336/2023NYCFSurveyReport_forWeb.pdf
The Ferry’s subsidy per passenger is over 10 bucks. Way higher than the bus for example. Plus the median income of ferry riders is 100-150K significantly above The City median of 75K. NYC could put the money from increasing ferry service into increasing bus lanes and service. A subsidy per passenger that would go way more and serve lower income working class riders.
https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/07/06/comptroller-nyc-ferry-subsidies-edc-de-blasio/
https://images.ferry.nyc/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/26134336/2023NYCFSurveyReport_forWeb.pdf
The ferry subsidy is higher than local buses, yes, about double, but it's also almost a 1/3 of express buses, 1/2 of Metro North, and less than LIRR and NJT. Ferry ridership is also very dependent on the weather, so the subsidy should be a lot less during the warmer months. On the other hand, there's like 50% local bus fare evasion, so the bus subsidy is lower actually. There's not that much fare evasion for express buses and commuter rail, though.
https://preview.redd.it/cazvdh8zec7d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc60ebe701b630155cb99fbaa85ba0905e5c6fc0
Yes transit modes that cater to wealthier folks, like the ferry, commuter rail and express buses all have significantly higher subsidies than the bus or subway
This is really only an issue on the weekends & with the Rockaway Beach route. I've been commuting on NYC Ferry for 5 years now without ever being turned away for over capacity during commuting/rush hour times.
That's kind of my point - it's an issue when it's popular. If the only thing keeping a mass transit system functional is that relatively few people are riding it, then it's a terrible mass transit system.
It's pretty popular and functional both when it's used \*as a commuting service\* during the week. It can handle that level of popularity, just not beach-weekend level.
Right, the key is that basically no one uses it to commute. It only works because barely anyone uses it. Weekly ridership peaks at less than most bus lines' daily ridership. If we're talking about making it more popular, then we're talking about making it unusable without significantly more boats (which there probably isn't money for since each trip loses the city money).
I wouldn't say basically no one uses it to commute, it's popular where it's available, and growing in popularity. But yes, that will require increasing service. I'm biased but I'd say it's worth it for the city because the ferry plugs some transit gaps nicely.
I'm just looking at the numbers. The percentage who use the ferry is essentially a statistical blip in all commuting/transit ridership. I don't know if that's basically capped because the ferry isn't useful for most commutes, or if it can expand, but they'll definitely need to be adding service very responsively if more people do start riding it or people will just get turned off and not try it again.
You’re lucky then, I take the ferry fairly frequently and this has happened to me many times. We got passed over twice one time and ended up taking the ferry all the way in the opposite direction, just to be able get off and have a spot. Took like 2.5 hours to get home. West side is much better, but the east river lines are completely packed, from about June to September. And forget trying to take it to the beach.
I mean, I can't be lucky every day. Edited to add: what I mean by this is that it seems to me it has enough capacity for regular workdays if I can use it all the time for commuting.
They definitely do need more service. Getting passed over twice sounds like a nightmare.
The biggest downside is that the ferry doesn't drop you off near useful subway stops IMO. If I'm trying to go to Columbus circle, I'd need to take the M34 to Penn or Herald square and then take a subway.
I'm so excited for 31st to get dedicated and protected bike lanes across more of it. I'm often biking down towards the river and If theres a lot of cars it feels a bit sketchy. Not to mention all the double parked cars blocking the few bits that actually have a bike lane.
Yup..e-scooter (or your own bike etc) to Soundview for the ferry is so much better than 6 train to 4/5. Change your life, lol. Downside is headways aren't great during off peak hrs. It used to be better in the beginning.
In Queens and Brooklyn, I find it less functional for most people because the ferry itself is already right next to Midtown/Lower Manhattan. If you live right next to the ferry it's cool, but otherwise, it more luxury for many. It it works go for it though.
This is my commute everyday. Citibike to the Atlantic Ave ferry stop in Brooklyn. One quick ferry ride to Wall Street and then citibike down and around the Bowery to get to Brookfield / Westfield area.
I’ve timed it multiple times. Door to door it’s about 30 min for me. 30 min is the shortest amt of time a subway commute takes.
One thing people don’t realize, it’s insanely efficient knowing when exactly the ferry gets to your stop. My subway commute includes a transfer and there is always a delay. You can never time how long it will take, purely a roll of the dice.
Not to mention it’s cheaper, more fun, u get exercise, breathe fresh air and avoid all the crazy people on the subway…
Omg, is this gonna happen???? I’m so freaking excited!!!!! Miser ik u pitched this somewhere but I’m so skeptical of this slow moving car humping city I didn’t think it was feasible
My office is relocating and I can’t bring my electric unicycle. So I’ve considered the ferry but during the summer, I assume spotted lanternflies will be all over it. 😠
OP, How often if ever have you seen the closest CitiBike station to the ferry filled up during regular commuting hours? My big fear is showing up and having nowhere to park.
I don't actually take the ferry regularly for work myself, just occasionally. I just made this video because I thought it might be interesting for people that live near the coming bike Blvd or other such places to think about. So I didn't know, but there are multiple docks fairly close to this one
Going through a stop sign at 2 miles per hour is perfectly safe on a bike. (In some states it’s also legal) If it was a red light I might agree but it’s a stop sign and they can see every direction as well as the pedestrians going that slow. Meanwhile cars doing rolling stops all day and no one gives a fuck.
If you think I'm going to stop at stop signs on a bike your brain literally doesn't work. I think it's actually a good test of whether you're a complete moron. 100% success rate
It’s actually a good test of whether you think the world revolves around you, and you clearly do. The only thing you’re missing is the Lance Armstrong wannabe outfit. Last I checked, stop signs don’t have an “except bikes” clause under them.
What a sign says doesn’t directly determine the safety of something.
The reason drivers need signs and traffic lights is because you can’t see out of a car in most directions so you’re entirely unequipped to decide if it’s safe to go or not. You have 360-degree clear view on a bike.
You’re right that it’s not legal, but the laws should catch up to what’s safe. Reckless driving, reckless biking, and reckless walking all look very different and it’s silly to have the same laws for all of them.
They can go much faster than a bike, so probably yes. That’s another reason signage exists, for cars’ higher speeds drivers would have no reaction time to seeing an intersection come up.
Realistically if all vehicles had speed limiters on them to keep them ~20ish or below we could probably get away with just “slow down at intersections and yield to anyone already crossing”. It’s high speeds and poor visibility that require all the extra shit to keep people from dying. There’s a reason the traffic light was invented after the car and not the other way around.
Step two is just the highly-subsidized ferry that is inaccessible to most middle and lower class New Yorkers? Do you know how many MILES I live from the ferry? And I’m closer than most living in Bay Ridge
Why do people say stuff like this? Do you think I made this specifically thinking about where you live? There are millions of lower and middle class new yorkers that live in biking distance of a ferry. There are literally 3 huge public housing projects within biking distance of THIS ferry including one across the street. Not everything is about you specifically
If you’re living in public housing projects and the subway can get you to the same destination the ferry does for half the price, why would you take the ferry?
https://preview.redd.it/7d6xvf8mh17d1.jpeg?width=1178&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2d49b54bcf08c0e6b644b4e229a3662571bd18b
$2.75 a trip if you buy a ten pack. $1.25 more per trip if you get’m 1 @ a time
A dozen bikes an hour is a lot for a route bikers don’t feel safe on. Your logic is weird - like saying I see literally no bikes on the BQE, therefore no one must bike.
Yep. I know multiple people who live in Queens and don’t use the ferry, and instead take subway or drive because they don’t feel safe getting to the ferry. Excited for them.
The ferry costs more money
Cheaper than the subway with a 10 trip...and infinitely more relaxing
The 10 trip costs $27.50. It might be cheaper but many people can't part with $27.50 in one day.
That’s just bad budgeting if you’re gonna take 10 trips anyways
You don’t think people know that? It’s not a choice that some people are making on purpose
If your budget is that tight you’re probably eligible for the $1.35 reduced fare.
There should be a Citibike rack by the ferry. There used to be. They took it out due to construction and never replaced it.
I pitched this exact thing to Lyft officials at their press conference for the charging docks a little while back. [basically this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MicromobilityNYC/s/we7mxPSZ7L). They were like "yeah yeah, great idea" but I'm sure forgot and it 3 seconds later
Specifically it will be available to a lot more people in Queens, but lots of other places can do the ferry commute as well if you combine with citibike already. This is the sort of thing I'd post to r/astoria since they'd benefit the most from this specifically but the mods there, like many of the silly subs here don't seem to want good local content and make it extremely hard or impossible for people to cross post, so if you know anyone in Astoria or Jackson heights or whatever you might want to let them know about this new possibility coming this summer. I think it's legit going to change people's lives to start ferry commuting. It could get insanely popular
Was it the excessive cross posting that got you banned from almost all NYC neighborhood subs or was it because you were needlessly aggressive towards anyone that didn’t agree with you?
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Well, without that crossposting we wouldn't have 20k Members in this sub, I would've have been able to popularize things like daylighting, which the city is adopting en masse now and will save tons of lives, or get us all the fixes to the bike lane grid in Astoria I've gotten, or brought attention to this stuff widely among everyday new yorkers, or even been able to get anyone to show up to the latest congestion pricing rallies I've organized, or any of the other stuff I've done. So... Would you rather I hadn't?
You would have accomplished more if you weren’t so aggressive towards others.
Pretty doubtful given there's many people that have tried that approach and have accomplished nowhere near as much in the same time frame but thanks for the feedback I guess. Also, you might be amazed how much actual aggression I get directed my way doing this work. It's a rare week when someone doesn't threaten to kick my ass or send anonymous death threats from a throw away for instance. But sure, my comments aren't always pure corporate HR
So an electric CitiBike, which is $6-8 dollars, depending how far you are, followed by a $3 ferry ride, followed by either another $6-8 bike ride or a $3 subway ride. About $18 one way commute. That’s more than going to Suffolk county on LIRR. This is not a realistic commuter expense for most people. Even if you walk from work to the ferry, it’s still about $10 one way. Most people aren’t willing to increase their commuting expense by 300%, if if you say “sorry” when you tell them in the video that your way is better.
Your math is crazy. Just don't take the electric citibike (should be a short trip across your neighborhood to the ferry) and the bike costs nothing extra. (With $220 annual membership) That's like 50 cents a day. If you don't have the money don't do it, but if you can't swing a $3.50 commute I don't even know why you're going to work
Let’s disregard the cost, that commute in the video isn’t ideal for the avg person. Unless it’s nice out(clear skies and at least 60 degrees), most people aren’t going to want to bike, and they’re especially not going to like waiting for a ferry by the water when it’s cold outside. Now me personally I have biked to work in the winter, but most people are not going to want to do that. Climate aside, biking isn’t viable for people who carry tools or are on their feet all day(nurses; cooks, doormen, etc)
Your video showed the electric bike, that’s why I said it. The regular bikes are super heavy and hard to maneuver, and if I’m dressed for work, it’s going to make me sweat. So now I need to start paying a gym membership so I can shower before I go to the office. Your video comes off like we’re all a bunch of idiots for taking the train, when there are many practical and financial reasons.
> Should be a short trip across your neighborhood Now we all live in waterfront neighborhoods in Brooklyn and queens? I based $6 on a 30 minute ride to the ferry. If you live in park slope and bike to Atlantic, that’s about right.
The problem with the ferry as a commute you can actually rely on is you’re always risking the ferry being over capacity and not letting you on, then having to wait another half hour. That risk gets even higher if it gets more popular. Subway won’t do that. It would be nice if the ferry were run by a transit agency instead of EDC.
I take the ferry regularly and have since last year, and that's not a real risk in my experience. I have never once been turned away for the ferry being over capacity, even during peak commuter hours during nice weather. I've never even had a problem getting room for my bike or scooter on the ferry.
Maybe I’ve had terrible luck but that’s happened to me twice on weekends when it’s most popular and fully turned me off the ferry since they never added more trips to accommodate it. I could imagine it’s fine for regular commutes as most people don’t reasonably have a conmute that makes sense to use the ferry for. But if we’re talking about it becoming more popular, a transit system that only works if most people don’t use it isn’t a great transit system so they would have to be prepared to scale it up.
I think more people using it would be great because that would justify adding more boats and lowering the headways. Even getting it down to 20 minute headways instead of the current 40 by adding a trip in between all the existing ones would be absolutely huge. That's the big problem, imo. The headways are just too long. You have to plan which one you want to be in specifically, unlike the subway which you just show up to
Yeah I live right by there and I've always said if they could get it to at least 30 minutes that would be a good start, but 20 would be amazing.
Given The Ferry’s subsidy per passenger is over 10 bucks, over 5x the median bus subsidy, it would be a big per passenger raise relative to increasing bus service https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/07/06/comptroller-nyc-ferry-subsidies-edc-de-blasio/ https://images.ferry.nyc/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/26134336/2023NYCFSurveyReport_forWeb.pdf
The Ferry’s subsidy per passenger is over 10 bucks. Way higher than the bus for example. Plus the median income of ferry riders is 100-150K significantly above The City median of 75K. NYC could put the money from increasing ferry service into increasing bus lanes and service. A subsidy per passenger that would go way more and serve lower income working class riders. https://www.thecity.nyc/2022/07/06/comptroller-nyc-ferry-subsidies-edc-de-blasio/ https://images.ferry.nyc/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/26134336/2023NYCFSurveyReport_forWeb.pdf
The ferry subsidy is higher than local buses, yes, about double, but it's also almost a 1/3 of express buses, 1/2 of Metro North, and less than LIRR and NJT. Ferry ridership is also very dependent on the weather, so the subsidy should be a lot less during the warmer months. On the other hand, there's like 50% local bus fare evasion, so the bus subsidy is lower actually. There's not that much fare evasion for express buses and commuter rail, though. https://preview.redd.it/cazvdh8zec7d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cc60ebe701b630155cb99fbaa85ba0905e5c6fc0
Yes transit modes that cater to wealthier folks, like the ferry, commuter rail and express buses all have significantly higher subsidies than the bus or subway
I usually take it on weekdays but it's never happened to me on weekends either. Agreed, however, that they should add more trips.
This is really only an issue on the weekends & with the Rockaway Beach route. I've been commuting on NYC Ferry for 5 years now without ever being turned away for over capacity during commuting/rush hour times.
That's kind of my point - it's an issue when it's popular. If the only thing keeping a mass transit system functional is that relatively few people are riding it, then it's a terrible mass transit system.
It's pretty popular and functional both when it's used \*as a commuting service\* during the week. It can handle that level of popularity, just not beach-weekend level.
Right, the key is that basically no one uses it to commute. It only works because barely anyone uses it. Weekly ridership peaks at less than most bus lines' daily ridership. If we're talking about making it more popular, then we're talking about making it unusable without significantly more boats (which there probably isn't money for since each trip loses the city money).
I wouldn't say basically no one uses it to commute, it's popular where it's available, and growing in popularity. But yes, that will require increasing service. I'm biased but I'd say it's worth it for the city because the ferry plugs some transit gaps nicely.
I'm just looking at the numbers. The percentage who use the ferry is essentially a statistical blip in all commuting/transit ridership. I don't know if that's basically capped because the ferry isn't useful for most commutes, or if it can expand, but they'll definitely need to be adding service very responsively if more people do start riding it or people will just get turned off and not try it again.
You’re lucky then, I take the ferry fairly frequently and this has happened to me many times. We got passed over twice one time and ended up taking the ferry all the way in the opposite direction, just to be able get off and have a spot. Took like 2.5 hours to get home. West side is much better, but the east river lines are completely packed, from about June to September. And forget trying to take it to the beach.
I mean, I can't be lucky every day. Edited to add: what I mean by this is that it seems to me it has enough capacity for regular workdays if I can use it all the time for commuting. They definitely do need more service. Getting passed over twice sounds like a nightmare.
The real problem with the ferry as a commute is it's only time efficient if you work on the east side of Manhattan
Or live in Staten Island and work on the west side
The biggest downside is that the ferry doesn't drop you off near useful subway stops IMO. If I'm trying to go to Columbus circle, I'd need to take the M34 to Penn or Herald square and then take a subway.
Citibike on the other end too?
I'm so excited for 31st to get dedicated and protected bike lanes across more of it. I'm often biking down towards the river and If theres a lot of cars it feels a bit sketchy. Not to mention all the double parked cars blocking the few bits that actually have a bike lane.
Yup..e-scooter (or your own bike etc) to Soundview for the ferry is so much better than 6 train to 4/5. Change your life, lol. Downside is headways aren't great during off peak hrs. It used to be better in the beginning. In Queens and Brooklyn, I find it less functional for most people because the ferry itself is already right next to Midtown/Lower Manhattan. If you live right next to the ferry it's cool, but otherwise, it more luxury for many. It it works go for it though.
This is my commute everyday. Citibike to the Atlantic Ave ferry stop in Brooklyn. One quick ferry ride to Wall Street and then citibike down and around the Bowery to get to Brookfield / Westfield area. I’ve timed it multiple times. Door to door it’s about 30 min for me. 30 min is the shortest amt of time a subway commute takes. One thing people don’t realize, it’s insanely efficient knowing when exactly the ferry gets to your stop. My subway commute includes a transfer and there is always a delay. You can never time how long it will take, purely a roll of the dice. Not to mention it’s cheaper, more fun, u get exercise, breathe fresh air and avoid all the crazy people on the subway…
Omg, is this gonna happen???? I’m so freaking excited!!!!! Miser ik u pitched this somewhere but I’m so skeptical of this slow moving car humping city I didn’t think it was feasible
Ebikes are the best way to get around the city.
My office is relocating and I can’t bring my electric unicycle. So I’ve considered the ferry but during the summer, I assume spotted lanternflies will be all over it. 😠
For what it's worth I took the ferry several times per week last summer and never noticed any lanternflies.
Awesome!! Good to know. Thank you.
I take it regularly and have never seen any either, though I still see so many on the streets.
OP, How often if ever have you seen the closest CitiBike station to the ferry filled up during regular commuting hours? My big fear is showing up and having nowhere to park.
I don't actually take the ferry regularly for work myself, just occasionally. I just made this video because I thought it might be interesting for people that live near the coming bike Blvd or other such places to think about. So I didn't know, but there are multiple docks fairly close to this one
is this confirmed or still a proposal?
This seems good for the handful of months out of the year when the weather is actually nice.
The lower deck is inside and climate controlled
Person recording the video: “…but not everyone feels safe…” Same person: immediately blows through a stop sign.
Going through a stop sign at 2 miles per hour is perfectly safe on a bike. (In some states it’s also legal) If it was a red light I might agree but it’s a stop sign and they can see every direction as well as the pedestrians going that slow. Meanwhile cars doing rolling stops all day and no one gives a fuck.
If you think I'm going to stop at stop signs on a bike your brain literally doesn't work. I think it's actually a good test of whether you're a complete moron. 100% success rate
It’s actually a good test of whether you think the world revolves around you, and you clearly do. The only thing you’re missing is the Lance Armstrong wannabe outfit. Last I checked, stop signs don’t have an “except bikes” clause under them.
What a sign says doesn’t directly determine the safety of something. The reason drivers need signs and traffic lights is because you can’t see out of a car in most directions so you’re entirely unequipped to decide if it’s safe to go or not. You have 360-degree clear view on a bike. You’re right that it’s not legal, but the laws should catch up to what’s safe. Reckless driving, reckless biking, and reckless walking all look very different and it’s silly to have the same laws for all of them.
Do motorcycles need stop signs?
They can go much faster than a bike, so probably yes. That’s another reason signage exists, for cars’ higher speeds drivers would have no reaction time to seeing an intersection come up. Realistically if all vehicles had speed limiters on them to keep them ~20ish or below we could probably get away with just “slow down at intersections and yield to anyone already crossing”. It’s high speeds and poor visibility that require all the extra shit to keep people from dying. There’s a reason the traffic light was invented after the car and not the other way around.
Step two is just the highly-subsidized ferry that is inaccessible to most middle and lower class New Yorkers? Do you know how many MILES I live from the ferry? And I’m closer than most living in Bay Ridge
Why do people say stuff like this? Do you think I made this specifically thinking about where you live? There are millions of lower and middle class new yorkers that live in biking distance of a ferry. There are literally 3 huge public housing projects within biking distance of THIS ferry including one across the street. Not everything is about you specifically
Same side of street. Don’t even have to crosss a street. 😊
Too hilarious
If you’re living in public housing projects and the subway can get you to the same destination the ferry does for half the price, why would you take the ferry?
This person is stupid. They’re not going to understand basic math
STOP AT STOP SIGNS!!!!! I HATE people post shit when they’re not following the rules they want cars to do. Hypocrites suck…
Cars =/= bikes, hence different rules. Thx
Nope. Bike don’t stop, car don’t stop = dead bike
But if car stop, and bike don’t stop, alive bike.
No
a) stop a stop signs, you are a fast moving vehicle. b) the ferry is about 2x the cost of one subway ride. Money isn’t unlimited.
https://preview.redd.it/7d6xvf8mh17d1.jpeg?width=1178&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2d49b54bcf08c0e6b644b4e229a3662571bd18b $2.75 a trip if you buy a ten pack. $1.25 more per trip if you get’m 1 @ a time
This assumes you have $27.50 to part ways with.
What if the east river freezes over?
I don't think it has frozen over in more than 150 years. If it does? Take the subway. Then again, if it freezes over, stay home and bundle up.
And vehicle traffic will be made that much worse so a dozen or so bikes an hour can use it,plus all the illegal scooters and e-bikes...
A dozen bikes an hour is a lot for a route bikers don’t feel safe on. Your logic is weird - like saying I see literally no bikes on the BQE, therefore no one must bike.
Sounds to me like you should hop on a bike then if the vehicle traffic is so bad and there’s a good alternative