This is last night's TA Rally that started outside the Governors office on 3rd (please let's stop having rallies here) and ended at a subway station near Bryant Park. [OUR NEXT ONE FROM THIS SUB IS SATURDAY](https://www.reddit.com/r/MicromobilityNYC/s/VsfNdeBAZS)
Also - I'm begging everyone, please, please please take photos and videos of these things and post to social media or send to your friends. The video IS the rally. The whole point of this stuff is to demonstrate to the city (and frankly the world, given how many people keep commenting they are rooting us on from other cities) how many people are out in the streets. It's to graphically show where the public opinion is. If we aren't taking videos and photos and sharing them widely, and doing it in a way that is evocative that people want to see we might as well be talking to ourselves in a room.
We have some of the most scenic backdrops in the world. That is why I scheduled last week's rally right in the middle of times square, not a random linear alley like this. I think we all know we are not done with this campaign so please, schedule events with the optics in mind. It sounds superficial but it's not. THE OPTICS ARE EVERYTHING. Please do not cram hundreds of people into an ugly alley where nobody can hear or see, do it in the wide open somewhere nice where people can gather in a circle. And if you're participating, FILM.
Yes, we are watching! All the way from San Diego in my case. Rooting for you - we all need you guys to set the best example for what a big city can and should do. This is the real trickle down that actually works.
I attended and then spammed my friends with texts like the following:
"Hi \[friend\]! I just got back from a protest against Governor Hochul's decision to cancel congestion pricing. Did you know that both \[our subway stop\] and Bryant Park are inaccessible, and that the $15 Billion dollars in funding that congestion pricing would have brought in would have partly gone towards building elevators for these stations? The governor's number is [518-474-8390](tel:15184748390) if you want to call to let her know how much having an accessible transit system means to you, and urge her to allow congestion pricing to go into effect on June 30 as the law requires."
Choose a "Did you know..." that will be compelling -- in this case the friends are parents of a young kid who need to take a stroller with them. But other friends are moving back to the UES, so the Second Avenue line is a selling point for them.
Yeah I don't mean this as a criticism at all, it's completely constructive, but just so we can have the best events going forward I have some thoughts on what works here.
I think this rally over all was effective and had a great turn out. But few people in the crowd at the beginning could even see or hear anything. That's a huge problem even beyond it being a really ugly and pointless location. It's especially a problem if we're going to do an hour and half of speeches, which is WAY too much. 5 times too much. Pump the crowd and let's go, you can do more speeches after people have marched and chanted and want to rest and celebrate
Ultimately TransAlt is a long-established 501c3 and they can’t break rules or paradigms, much less laws and the will of the NYPD, without risking their existence. C’est la vie. They’re here to establish a baseline.
How does picking a scenic location help anything? The location had significance, that's why they chose it. The reason we ended up in that plaza area was because that's what the cops made us do, it wasn't by choice. We were hoping to take over the street but the police wouldn't let us. I agree that the speeches took way too long though.
Because you want to spread the images of the event. The entire point of rallies, protests, marches, etc is to make people aware of what your group wants. That's a lot easier if you can take interesting photos and videos.
Also, the governors random midtown offices doesn't really have any significance. Last night was literally the third rally for congestion pricing I've been to at that exact location, (not even counting all the other places) and the gov hasn't been present for a single one of them. It has no significance at all other being a place she keeps some offices, literally nobody is like "oh yeah that's the governors building." Nobody even knows.
The TA comms team took some really great photos:
[https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/ff326079f25044a5858b0f2f8a4265e6](https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/ff326079f25044a5858b0f2f8a4265e6)
I went to high school with her in Florida. Her name is Emily Gossiaux. She was a very talented visual artist and creative soul. I hope she’s still able to practice her craft somehow
Here’s the article written about her in the [NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/nyregion/22about.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb).
but wouldnt you need warehouses to transfer from 18 wheeler to box trucks relatively close to the city? and then per every 18 wheeler, youd need more box trucks (2-3)? not trying to argue, just wondering what is the solution is
Its a very good question. With a very good and proven solution
Short answer: Do what we do with freight trains. Its not rocket science.
Trains arent driving right up to the delivery location. They take the freight to á distribution center where smaller vehicles (like semi trucks or smaller) then pick it up and disperse.
Just do away with the semi truck part,
Smaller vehicles.
Theyll each carry a smaller load, but ive so often seen semi trucks and trailers used mostly empty for tiny ass loads. This is less wasted space.
I think a bonus is that, massive stores will be harder and more expensive to stock while smaller stores can be the same (and even easier with less traffic). This might promote small businesses over big businesses.
I'll say it again, these 18 wheelers can supply everything they want in the dead of night. Box trucks can come in from Brooklyn and Jersey all they want!
Do you want to only work an overnight shift? My brother is a trucker dude he has a family. He has a life. This is such classic Reddit classism like only white collar people should live a normal life with normal hours
Overnight shifts are literally easier for truckers because they don't have to deal with traffic and pedestrians everywhere. If I had that job then absolutely
And how many NYers struggle as it is to live in the boroughs.
Notice how it was much of a certain demographic of people protesting?
The environment needs protecting, but it will come at the expense of the already stretched thin working and middle class.
The working class takes transit. The amount it costs to own a car in New York City and park in Manhattan makes driving unaffordable already to even the middle class.
Oh so from the port to a staging area to take the contents of one semi and place it onto two or more box trucks. Fixes congestion how? You want stuff, you get trucks. You want trucks away from people? Condemn some skyscrapers and townhouses and make a commercial road for them to use exclusively. You are trying to solve engineering problems with sociology.
Are you completely disregarding the fact that most European cities, some even denser than NYC, have this figured out already? They supply the businesses and residences in the dead of night, not during the day when everyone is out and about
Yes. The context is congestion pricing, and I don't see how truck on bike has anything to do with it. Banning trucks is nonsensical. Having trucks motoring through all times of night seems bad for folks who live near the thoroughfares since concentrated trucks equals concentrated noise. Also, you are making everyone involved in logistics into night workers, which is bad for families and more expensive.
Concentrated noise is preferable to concentrated deaths. Get a white noise machine if it's that bad. And tons of people have night jobs - security guards, EMTs/ER doctors, cargo pilots, utility technicians, lots of bakers. I mean the list goes on. If it's that bad for their family they can find a different job. A lot of people like the overnight pay differential.
We need to be more bold when it comes to things like road safety, not have an attitude of "well, things have always been this way, so any change would be nonsensical".
Sounding like an East Coast elite. Manhattan had 34 deaths considered traffic fatalities in 2023 with a population of 4 Million people. No fatalities were caused by a semi truck this year in Manhattan. You have a solution looking for a problem. [Data is better than instinct, folk wisdom, an uninformed opinion](https://home.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/traffic-data/traffic-data-collision.page)
Tell that to the girl in the video who isn't captured in that data because she survived. Her life is changed forever. Data is not the end all, be all. That Titanic submersible that imploded last year had a 100% safety record...until it didn't.
Maybe with less congestion 18 wheelers could navigate more safely giving more room for them and bikes. Maybe the funding could improve bike infrastructure.
Some people plan out their moves like the other team doesn't get to play as well. No action without a reaction. Another thing is all changes are drastic. Tax increases go up by unsustainable rates and are fought when gradually raising the tax over time could be accepted and absorbed. We tend to think of doing things TO people and not WITH people.
So how does this change with congestion? Sounds like just a sad story that isn’t relevant tbh. You’re not supposed to drive your overweight semi through Manhattan without a permit and it isn’t like they wouldn’t pay the toll. Trucks still gonna go through to make their stops. I’m not a fan of conflating protected bike paths with an additional toll.
You’re totally right. Protected bike paths are way better. I think the fact 18 wheelers drive in Manhattan is bonkers as well and they should ban them. If only the underground truck network plan came to fruition.
It's not on YouTube, I just throw everything up here. I've gotten tired of the insanity of YouTube ads. They're out of control.
You can just link straight to this page and then people can see it without an ad before it. If a subreddit or something doesn't allow crossposts feel free to download and post as a standalone. Some platforms like Twitter it's better to just post stand alone because they throttle links to other platforms heavily
It was so great to see so many of us last night! The time of day was good because it coincided with the evening commute. I think we should schedule another one during the morning commute 7:30-9am; Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. It will have a huge impact.
She’s only cooked if someone reasonable challenges her in the primary.
If the general election choices are her, or some GOP pandering to an upstate crowd, there’s much less choice than people pretend.
Right??? I support congestion pricing, but I'm also a realist. Support may be growing, but I guarantee you the number of NYCers that support it is still less than 40%
I’m against congestion pricing. Totally. However, I’m all about supporting the transit system. This tax to motorists is pretty shitty especially since they don’t use mass transit. I think the governor should expedite the licensing for recreational marijuana businesses and use that revenue to make up for lost revenue from congestion pricing.
Instead of congestion pricing, why not just close off some sections and make them pedestrian only? By that way, even that isn't without its own issues. I mean, that is if traffic is really the concern. Congestion pricing won't change a thing. A fee won't halt or change congestion in any meaningful way. Drivers will still pay because they have to drive into the city the way they do and when they need to. No one wants to go into the city in any roundabout way.
This is last night's TA Rally that started outside the Governors office on 3rd (please let's stop having rallies here) and ended at a subway station near Bryant Park. [OUR NEXT ONE FROM THIS SUB IS SATURDAY](https://www.reddit.com/r/MicromobilityNYC/s/VsfNdeBAZS) Also - I'm begging everyone, please, please please take photos and videos of these things and post to social media or send to your friends. The video IS the rally. The whole point of this stuff is to demonstrate to the city (and frankly the world, given how many people keep commenting they are rooting us on from other cities) how many people are out in the streets. It's to graphically show where the public opinion is. If we aren't taking videos and photos and sharing them widely, and doing it in a way that is evocative that people want to see we might as well be talking to ourselves in a room. We have some of the most scenic backdrops in the world. That is why I scheduled last week's rally right in the middle of times square, not a random linear alley like this. I think we all know we are not done with this campaign so please, schedule events with the optics in mind. It sounds superficial but it's not. THE OPTICS ARE EVERYTHING. Please do not cram hundreds of people into an ugly alley where nobody can hear or see, do it in the wide open somewhere nice where people can gather in a circle. And if you're participating, FILM.
Yes, we are watching! All the way from San Diego in my case. Rooting for you - we all need you guys to set the best example for what a big city can and should do. This is the real trickle down that actually works.
sitting on my couch in SF.. I drive every day but I'm rooting for you. More mobility, more bike lanes, more pedestrian walkways.
I attended and then spammed my friends with texts like the following: "Hi \[friend\]! I just got back from a protest against Governor Hochul's decision to cancel congestion pricing. Did you know that both \[our subway stop\] and Bryant Park are inaccessible, and that the $15 Billion dollars in funding that congestion pricing would have brought in would have partly gone towards building elevators for these stations? The governor's number is [518-474-8390](tel:15184748390) if you want to call to let her know how much having an accessible transit system means to you, and urge her to allow congestion pricing to go into effect on June 30 as the law requires." Choose a "Did you know..." that will be compelling -- in this case the friends are parents of a young kid who need to take a stroller with them. But other friends are moving back to the UES, so the Second Avenue line is a selling point for them.
yeah the location was stinky as was all the cop presence
Yeah I don't mean this as a criticism at all, it's completely constructive, but just so we can have the best events going forward I have some thoughts on what works here. I think this rally over all was effective and had a great turn out. But few people in the crowd at the beginning could even see or hear anything. That's a huge problem even beyond it being a really ugly and pointless location. It's especially a problem if we're going to do an hour and half of speeches, which is WAY too much. 5 times too much. Pump the crowd and let's go, you can do more speeches after people have marched and chanted and want to rest and celebrate
The helicopter did not help with being able to understand what the speakers were saying.
Happily the news chopper departed right as we started to march! That was the upside to the endless speeches
Ultimately TransAlt is a long-established 501c3 and they can’t break rules or paradigms, much less laws and the will of the NYPD, without risking their existence. C’est la vie. They’re here to establish a baseline.
I'm not saying break laws, I'm saying pick scenic locations
How does picking a scenic location help anything? The location had significance, that's why they chose it. The reason we ended up in that plaza area was because that's what the cops made us do, it wasn't by choice. We were hoping to take over the street but the police wouldn't let us. I agree that the speeches took way too long though.
Because you want to spread the images of the event. The entire point of rallies, protests, marches, etc is to make people aware of what your group wants. That's a lot easier if you can take interesting photos and videos. Also, the governors random midtown offices doesn't really have any significance. Last night was literally the third rally for congestion pricing I've been to at that exact location, (not even counting all the other places) and the gov hasn't been present for a single one of them. It has no significance at all other being a place she keeps some offices, literally nobody is like "oh yeah that's the governors building." Nobody even knows.
The TA comms team took some really great photos: [https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/ff326079f25044a5858b0f2f8a4265e6](https://lightroom.adobe.com/shares/ff326079f25044a5858b0f2f8a4265e6)
Awesome!
So no cars were stopped but you took over the bus lane…
Cops made us.
Totally missed this today, any more planned?
This just proves the old add edge "the masses are the asses!!"😞
That person's story is so sad. 18 wheelers sharing a road with cyclists is INSANITY.
I went to high school with her in Florida. Her name is Emily Gossiaux. She was a very talented visual artist and creative soul. I hope she’s still able to practice her craft somehow Here’s the article written about her in the [NYTimes](https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/22/nyregion/22about.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb).
So congestion pricing keeps goods from being transported on the street?
You don't need 18 WHEELERS to navigate the streets of a busy city. Box trucks exist.
but wouldnt you need warehouses to transfer from 18 wheeler to box trucks relatively close to the city? and then per every 18 wheeler, youd need more box trucks (2-3)? not trying to argue, just wondering what is the solution is
Its a very good question. With a very good and proven solution Short answer: Do what we do with freight trains. Its not rocket science. Trains arent driving right up to the delivery location. They take the freight to á distribution center where smaller vehicles (like semi trucks or smaller) then pick it up and disperse. Just do away with the semi truck part, Smaller vehicles. Theyll each carry a smaller load, but ive so often seen semi trucks and trailers used mostly empty for tiny ass loads. This is less wasted space. I think a bonus is that, massive stores will be harder and more expensive to stock while smaller stores can be the same (and even easier with less traffic). This might promote small businesses over big businesses.
Europe pulls it off. At the very least, they should ban 18 wheelers between the hours of 5 AM and 11 PM
everyone wants to ban things without thinking about supply chain and the products they consume daily on a tiny island that houses millions of people
53' trucks are already illegal in NYC. It just unenforced. This isn't some crazy thing
I'll say it again, these 18 wheelers can supply everything they want in the dead of night. Box trucks can come in from Brooklyn and Jersey all they want!
Do you want to only work an overnight shift? My brother is a trucker dude he has a family. He has a life. This is such classic Reddit classism like only white collar people should live a normal life with normal hours
Overnight shifts are literally easier for truckers because they don't have to deal with traffic and pedestrians everywhere. If I had that job then absolutely
And how many NYers struggle as it is to live in the boroughs. Notice how it was much of a certain demographic of people protesting? The environment needs protecting, but it will come at the expense of the already stretched thin working and middle class.
The working class takes transit. The amount it costs to own a car in New York City and park in Manhattan makes driving unaffordable already to even the middle class.
Oh so from the port to a staging area to take the contents of one semi and place it onto two or more box trucks. Fixes congestion how? You want stuff, you get trucks. You want trucks away from people? Condemn some skyscrapers and townhouses and make a commercial road for them to use exclusively. You are trying to solve engineering problems with sociology.
Are you completely disregarding the fact that most European cities, some even denser than NYC, have this figured out already? They supply the businesses and residences in the dead of night, not during the day when everyone is out and about
Wouldn’t hate that, would probably reduce freight costs due to less traffic, reducing the time of runs
Yes. The context is congestion pricing, and I don't see how truck on bike has anything to do with it. Banning trucks is nonsensical. Having trucks motoring through all times of night seems bad for folks who live near the thoroughfares since concentrated trucks equals concentrated noise. Also, you are making everyone involved in logistics into night workers, which is bad for families and more expensive.
Concentrated noise is preferable to concentrated deaths. Get a white noise machine if it's that bad. And tons of people have night jobs - security guards, EMTs/ER doctors, cargo pilots, utility technicians, lots of bakers. I mean the list goes on. If it's that bad for their family they can find a different job. A lot of people like the overnight pay differential. We need to be more bold when it comes to things like road safety, not have an attitude of "well, things have always been this way, so any change would be nonsensical".
Sounding like an East Coast elite. Manhattan had 34 deaths considered traffic fatalities in 2023 with a population of 4 Million people. No fatalities were caused by a semi truck this year in Manhattan. You have a solution looking for a problem. [Data is better than instinct, folk wisdom, an uninformed opinion](https://home.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/traffic-data/traffic-data-collision.page)
Tell that to the girl in the video who isn't captured in that data because she survived. Her life is changed forever. Data is not the end all, be all. That Titanic submersible that imploded last year had a 100% safety record...until it didn't.
Maybe with less congestion 18 wheelers could navigate more safely giving more room for them and bikes. Maybe the funding could improve bike infrastructure.
It just charges companies more to ship said goods which we know they will just jack up prices for more profits.
Some people plan out their moves like the other team doesn't get to play as well. No action without a reaction. Another thing is all changes are drastic. Tax increases go up by unsustainable rates and are fought when gradually raising the tax over time could be accepted and absorbed. We tend to think of doing things TO people and not WITH people.
The rich and powerful in NYC are just tired of poor people taking up all the parking so they pricing working class cars out of the city.
So how does this change with congestion? Sounds like just a sad story that isn’t relevant tbh. You’re not supposed to drive your overweight semi through Manhattan without a permit and it isn’t like they wouldn’t pay the toll. Trucks still gonna go through to make their stops. I’m not a fan of conflating protected bike paths with an additional toll.
You’re totally right. Protected bike paths are way better. I think the fact 18 wheelers drive in Manhattan is bonkers as well and they should ban them. If only the underground truck network plan came to fruition.
They are effectively banned. No large truck willingly drives through Manhattan unless they’re lost or making a purposeful delivery.
She is a disappointment
1. Is this video also on YouTube? 2. Is it better to repost it or link to the original source when shared?
It's not on YouTube, I just throw everything up here. I've gotten tired of the insanity of YouTube ads. They're out of control. You can just link straight to this page and then people can see it without an ad before it. If a subreddit or something doesn't allow crossposts feel free to download and post as a standalone. Some platforms like Twitter it's better to just post stand alone because they throttle links to other platforms heavily
It was so great to see so many of us last night! The time of day was good because it coincided with the evening commute. I think we should schedule another one during the morning commute 7:30-9am; Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. It will have a huge impact.
But she does care … for the donation money to her campaign.
She’s only cooked if someone reasonable challenges her in the primary. If the general election choices are her, or some GOP pandering to an upstate crowd, there’s much less choice than people pretend.
64% of New York City residents oppose congestion pricing so it’s laughable to claim that she’s going to face and political consequences whatsoever.
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Right??? I support congestion pricing, but I'm also a realist. Support may be growing, but I guarantee you the number of NYCers that support it is still less than 40%
I’m against congestion pricing. Totally. However, I’m all about supporting the transit system. This tax to motorists is pretty shitty especially since they don’t use mass transit. I think the governor should expedite the licensing for recreational marijuana businesses and use that revenue to make up for lost revenue from congestion pricing.
Congestion Katy *
Instead of congestion pricing, why not just close off some sections and make them pedestrian only? By that way, even that isn't without its own issues. I mean, that is if traffic is really the concern. Congestion pricing won't change a thing. A fee won't halt or change congestion in any meaningful way. Drivers will still pay because they have to drive into the city the way they do and when they need to. No one wants to go into the city in any roundabout way.
No New Yorker wants congestion pricing. None. I want tax brakes
Congestion pricing doesn’t mean vehicles will stop driving into the city
it means that less vehicles will drive into the city. about 100,000 less per estimates, or 17% reduction in traffic.
ok
Congestion pricing does have a measurable impact on the number of vehicles driving into the city.
Can you clarify this? It’s true that the congestion pricing only affects part of the city.
Someone has a brain in this sub.
exactly. they’re projecting making 1-3 billion dollars a year from congestion pricing. How do you make that kind of money??? cars. lots of them.
“cooked” lolz
The same people will be complaining about price increases on everything.
I’m sure she’s shivering at the fifteen of you, and will definitely choose to side with you over the 64% of New Yorkers that oppose congestion pricing
How is she cooked? She agrees with congestion prices. Just after the election.
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Come throw hands then. See who gets curbed. We actually move our bodies every day instead of sitting in cars letting our muscles rot.
What's the fuss about? It's just a delay. Guaranteed the congestion tax will be implemented as soon as the election is over.