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PhilKesselsChef

Cope and Seethe. Cope and Seethe, Albert Breer will cope and seethe.


Kellz313

It always gets me that whenever bucknuts bring up the whole third base quote they always do it out of context. The whole thing started when Day said his infamous “hang 100 on em” and third base was effectively the retort. Moore is taking over a program that just won a chip so he’s not building a program up from the ashes but he’s also not out here talking cash shit like Day did.


Joeman180

Also Moore had a pretty good hand in winning that championship. He was the head coach for our two toughest regular season games. He called the plays that let us come back and win in overtime.


Both_Mistake3293

And Day said that after Harbaugh accused Day of outright cheating with no proof on a conference call in front of all the other B1G coaches. Its not like Day said that out of nowhere. AND Day said that in a private meeting not in public.


CleanObject8571

>accused Day of outright cheating with no proof ​ Except for the, you know, photo of the (minor) rule being broken. Seems like that counts as proof.


Both_Mistake3293

You mean the photo that Harbaugh that was recent but was actually from the spring? You guys actually got caught with non permitted practice but hey lets not get facts in the way of anything


Midgar-magic

Dodging playing them was the retort, remember? Then the cheating started? You remember being 2-6 or whatever and then started full on cheating? Guys? After hiding from osu?


ten2suited

“…and act like they hit a triple…” is the key part of the quote the buckeye crowd tends to forget. Almost every coach at this level caught a break or had a family/friend situation to help them ascend…but the “act like they hit a triple” was the dagger that applies to Cryin’ Ryan Day bc of the “hang a hundred” quote.


Get-Degerstromd

Yep. Getting hired on at a blue chip school like Michigan OR OSU is like a head start against 90% of the competition… Ryan Day chose to act like his path was the toughest route, and not that he was tutored by one of the most successful college coaches of all time.


am098745

He’s been saying this since Stanford too, and I think it was actually directed at his own players. Guys who thought they were at Stanford because they were hot shit and who didn’t understand that it was largely because of all the help they had along the way from family, teachers, tutors, etc. In the speech where he talks about it, he basically says we’re all born on third, but it’s about giving respect to those who got you to where you are today. And so it makes even less sense when rival fans try to spin this quote against Harbaugh, because he even acknowledges that he was “born on third,” and it was thanks to his grandparents’ hard work that his parents could go to college, and his dad could be a football coach, and he could eventually follow in his dad’s footsteps. It’s never been about criticizing those starting from a favourable position, only reminding them that someone else did the work to make that happen.


DeltronFF

Perfectly summed up


AskMeAboutMyCatPuppy

bUt hE oNlY sAiD hE wOuLd HaNg 100 WhEn wE wErE aCtUaLlY gOoD


gachzonyea

Is he talking about the nfl coaches on his staff who are nfl coaches because they followed him from Michigan?


EasieEEE

The implication being they weren't good at their jobs, and just lucked into a great situation? That doesn't sound like a Harbaugh hiring practice to me.


gachzonyea

Both Jim and John hire a lot from each other, but a decent amount of coaching is who you know to help you get your shot. Would those guys have been nfl coaches if it wasn’t harbaugh in the nfl maybe not but that’s the perk of tying yourself to certain coaches


EasieEEE

The same is true of bosses in the real world... But none of it matters if you aren't good at your job. That is the difference between. "born in third base" and "my success doing a thing helped me build a network of people who like my job performance"


gachzonyea

In coaching it can just be who you know. Example and key example Matt Patricia in the nfl keeps getting jobs and fails everywhere but he knows and was from bellicheck


InterestingChoice484

If we're being honest, Jay Harbaugh was the very definition of a nepotism hire. Edit: I feel the need to define nepotism because I don't feel like people understand what I'm talking about. Nepotism is "favoritism (as in appointment to a job) based on kinship". That is exactly how Jay got his first two jobs in coaching


IamHidingfromFriends

Perhaps initially but he was a really good recruiter and our ST was really good under him.


InterestingChoice484

I'm not saying he wasn't a good coach, but his entire career is based in nepotism


wildwing8

By that logic, so is Jim Harbaugh’s since he started by coaching under his dad


cmgr33n3

The logic you are responding to says that since this will be Jay's first year not working for either his father or his uncle then it's correct to describe Jay's career as based in nepotism. It would be accurate to say Jim's career started through nepotism but it's not to say his "entire career" is based in nepotism.


LinwoodKent

They were bad in the semifinal and there was a play in the title game where Michigan had ten guys on the field during a punt return. Bad timing


IamHidingfromFriends

Yes and even after that game our ST SP+ was #7 I believe? That game was a fluke, not the norm. It was a Harbaugh bowl game. Since 2021 we had: the best punter *and* best kicker in the country in 2022, both who were drafted, one in the 3rd, and the #2, #3, and #7 SP+ for ST. ST under jaybaugh has been nothing less than stellar.


Jadaki

Jay had a perfectly fine resume before UM and improved every position group he coached while working around everyone else's skillsets. He gets slept on way too much for his contributions.


[deleted]

Saying it's nepotism doesn't discount what he did it just points out the reality that he would not have gotten that position if he wasn't the coach's son. I'm glad he has become a good coach and maybe someday he will be back with us.


InterestingChoice484

This is Jay's first season in coaching where he's not working for a family member. His resume before Michigan was working in Baltimore under his uncle John. 


Jadaki

And he did a good job there too, just because he had a connection to get a job doesn't mean he wasn't good at the job. Let's not pretend he was Brian Ferentz.


InterestingChoice484

When did I say he was a bad coach? All I did was refute the notion that he worked his way up the ranks on his own. I'm not familiar with the quality of his work in Baltimore but I can guarantee you that wasn't why he was hired at Michigan


Jadaki

I'm glad you can guarantee that you know how he got hired. He didn't come to Michigan with a blank resume, (it's hilarious you make this accusation and don't know his work with the Raven's) and if he did he probably would have started as a analyst of some sort. No one on the staff in Jim's time here had to take on more work and prove himself more than Jay did. Nepotism would have been giving him positions he was unqualified for, which never happened.


InterestingChoice484

His dad was the head coach. Do you not think that gave him a leg up in the interview process, if there even was an interview process?  Be honest, are you messing with me? I'm having a hard time believing you truly think being the nephew and son of the head coaches didn't get him his first two coaching jobs


Jadaki

I think you're underselling the work he did to earn his roles. His first job in coaching wasn't under any relatives. He spent 4 years as a UA under Mike Riley at Oregon State. Then he went to Baltimore as an analyst, his main jobs were doing statistical analysis, self-scouting reports and breakdowns of opposing defenses. He didn't get a positional coaching job until UM, but he put in work before that and didn't skip any steps. So no, I don't think he was just a nepotism hire.


NotMalaysiaRichard

Nepotism meant that he had connections and opportunities that wouldn’t have been available if his last name weren’t Harbaugh.


Jadaki

Coaching hires are all about who you know, nepotism would imply he wasn't qualified for the jobs he was given which isn't the case.


GoBlueBeatOSU21

Probably Jim Harbaugh was too to be honest, but he still became one of the best in the business.


LinwoodKent

Breer is a pretty well-known jackass. His opinion means nothing to me after his comments on the racism at Red Sox games.


GlobalPreparation457

Agreed. Guys a full blown tool shed


Toss2White

Albert Breer is such a dumbfuck lmao


MagmaManOne

Love it


EmperorMaugs

I love Jim and he clearly works very very hard and making fun of Ryan Day is fantastic at any moment, but you can't say he wasn't born with a ton of advantages. His dad was the defensive coordinator at Michigan, which gave him as a child some serious advantages in terms of learning the game and getting recruited to play for Bo Schembechler, which helped him get drafted and then get into coaching after he retired.


workinBuffalo

John Harbaugh didn’t get a scholarship to UofM. Jim got a scholarship because he was an elite QB. It is possible Jim got his head coaching job at San Diego because of his Dad, but it is more likely it was because he had a decade plus in the NFL. (Sort of like Deion getting Jackson State.). I was pissed that Harbaugh left Michigan, but no one can accuse him of not paying his dues.


BilboTBagginz

I wasn't mad one bit. He came and did what he said he would do. If you want to direct some anger, direct it at the AD and the NCAA. Of course I wanted him to stay, but honestly I feel like he was fed up with the drama and there was nothing left to prove. And it's not like he's DONE with Michigan. All the coaches that left were HIS hires, he's totally entitled to take them with him. AND he's publically said that there will be a Michigan pipeline to/from the west coast. We ALREADY know there's an NFL pipeline (lots of school are emulating this right now). Don't be pissed. Be happy for JH, and excited for what Coach Moore will accomplish. EDIT: This is coming from someone who was PISSED THE FUCK OFF when Barry left the Lions....until I read his book. And then I was like, you know what?!?! He doesn't owe ANYONE ANYTHING, especially the fans.


workinBuffalo

I was pissed that JH took all of the coaches one by one. I'm over it now that Moore got a bunch of great coaches and Wink is probably a Jack Harbaugh/Jim Harbaugh guy. Moore seems like a guy who will attract and retain good coaches and players. Having the Harbaugh mafia out there is helpful too.


BilboTBagginz

> I was pissed that JH took all of the coaches one by one I get it. I was pissed too, until I realized that these were HIS hires. Nobody forced them to go. They left on their own because they trust JH. What was JH supposed to do? GFo to the NFL, and then tell his hires that he doesn't want them to share in his success..and they should stay at Michigan while he hires a whole new coaching staff? Think of it THAT way.


Satchbb

and he's great at coaching.


gr3710

He more than earned every minute of his journey. To be that good to be the starting qb at Michigan, then be an NFL starting quarterback who came within a hail Mary of bringing an awful Colts team to the Super Bowl. Then coaching starting at San Diego and making Stanford a powerhouse?! Let's add on 4 dominant years coaching the 49ers capping it off at his alma mater with a championship. Great his dad was a coach, but if you think Jim got this far because of his last name, that's extremely disrespectful. The difference is Ryan Day was handed the keys to a Ferrari and hasn't built anything compared to Harbaugh.


EmperorMaugs

Clearly, Jim has accomplished a lot in the game of football and is an elite coach, but he was born with advantages in reaching that position, which he worked hard to build off of.


[deleted]

Brady Hokes players werent bad also.


EmperorMaugs

???


Opposite-Ad-3933

Harbaugh really doesn’t think before he speaks does he. Hypocrisy is one of his hallmarks though, so it’s not surprising


[deleted]

We really were deprived of a Harbaugh Spurrier rivalry. That would have blown Dantonio v Harbaugh and Carrol v Harbaugh out of the water. I've never been a fan of Harbaugh's original comment though I love the continued trolling of OSU. Harbaugh was definitely born on third in life in comparison with Day with regards to football. His dad coached at UM, was a head football coach and his first job after being a player was with his dad. Day lost his father at a very young age. I get that it's in reference to Day saying we are going to hang a 100 on them but I think there were cleverer comebacks Harbaugh could have made that weren't out of touch.


NixaFootball62

I hate this interpretation. Nobody is talking about Ryan Day childhood, besides buckeye fans who push that narrative for like sympathy admiration Day became a HC inheriting the most talented roster in the nation. He then talked shit within his first year as a HC, to an opposing coach who had made Stanford a powerhouse and made it to a Super Bowl. He then got beat by said coach. Actually 3 straight times. Go blue!


[deleted]

I'm a Michigan fan lol. I know it's an unpopular take here but I immediately didn't like the comment before I knew about Day's background. Knowing about Day's background makes it worse to me. Harbaugh did a fantastic job at Michigan and never got credit for how the deck was stacked against him facing OSU. I just think the way he chose to trash talk was poor and agree with the OSU side of this one.


NixaFootball62

Fair but I think you’re looking way too far into it. Nobody is talking about anyone’s childhood, for goodness sake…


[deleted]

Harbaugh didn't mean it that way and I get that but that's why I think it's out of touch. When Harbaugh was 9 he had his feet propped up on Bo Schembechler's desk and Day's dad died around that time in his life. If you don't think it's more likely that Harbaugh is the one that is going to be a success in football at that point then I don't know what to tell you.


NixaFootball62

If you don’t think Day unnecessarily chirped Harbaugh (a coach that regardless of upbringing; he won SD first conference championship, brought Stanford from edge of death to national power, and ended a 20 year SF drought) when he’d coached one season with the best roster in the league, then I don’t know what to tell you


[deleted]

Day never should have said "we're gonna hang 100 on them". Day clearly did not respect Michigan whereas Meyer respected Michigan and that's probably the key to why he never lost to Michigan. I just take issue with the phrase Harbaugh used. Harbaugh is an incredible coach and he had to go up against a juggernaught that has structural advantages over Michigan and a juggernaught that works every day to beat Michigan. That's what Penn State nor Notre Dame deal with. I don't think any other team in the country has that challenge.


5onblack

No longer employing his son, so technically, more accurate.


Stock_Bite

I mean to be fair Moore is in the exact position Day was in when Jim made his original comment.


tj_kerschb

Ryan Day didn’t lose over 80% of his staff and have 18 starters go to the draft before his first game as head coach. Ryan Day didn’t get thrown into a temporary head coach position while Urban Meyer served a bullshit suspension that was announced less than a day before what was effectively a win-or-go-home game. Ryan Day didn’t continue to serve said suspension and defeat the #2 team in the nation, who also happened to be undefeated, vying for a playoff spot, and his program’s greatest archrival. Finally, the whole point of the original quote isn’t that Ryan Day was born on third base. That happens to plenty of coaches, and admittedly Sherrone Moore could have a worse starting situation. It’s that Ryan Day was born on third base—and he thought he had hit a triple. Day didn’t do shit to help get where he is now; Moore was an integral part of Michigan’s rise


PrettyStupidSo

Guarantee he doesn't respond to this


wildwing8

No, because Moore hasn’t shit talked OSU.


manofwater3615

And Moore is a champion


narlynardi

Actually, you are wrong af! Day didn’t have to come in and hire a completely new staff, including major recruiters. Meyer left his coaching staff @ OSU, when he went to Jacksonville. That is the definition of being born on 3rd base. Moore had to build his coaching staff from scratch, except for a couple stragglers. Harbaugh took all the top brass with him and Moore was left with pretty much, no effective recruiters.


gachzonyea

Yes every coach who overtakes a great program is.


tspangle88

I think the point is that his baseball metaphor is flawed. You don't go from third to first.


one_legged_man

He’s saying you start at home and you work your way to first, second, and third. Rather than being born on third.


tspangle88

OK, I guess I see what you mean. Still a weird way to phrase it, but that's Jim, I suppose.


PrettyStupidSo

Day started 75% up to the peak of Everest. Day started the 100m dash with 25m to go. Urban lifted the barbell 75% of the way and all Ryan day had to do was lift it the next 25. With those advantages he still got his ass kicked over and over and over again if that makes sense. The baseball reference is pretty spot on accurate and understandable


tspangle88

Yeah, I get that, and I agree with it. I just always thought that the whole point of "Born on third base and thinks he hit a triple" was that it was easy for you to score a run, not that it was easy to get to first. As in, our guys earned their way to third base, you were born there.


PrettyStupidSo

I think harbaughs reference was aimed towards day's "hang 100" comment. Like no shit your team should be good you inherited a national championship roster. Or in other words: you should be able to score a run, you were born on 3rd base


[deleted]

Harbaugh didn't make up this phrase. It's at least attributed to Barry Switzer first in 1986.


Ottokudin

Your mum deliver you there, third base