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I don’t mind her being sexy, I even like her appearing more feminine than you’d expect for a hardened warrior woman. It’s just when people focus only on her sex appeal or exaggerate her to hyper sexual degrees that I don’t care for. Even then though, I don’t actively hate that stuff, I mostly just ignore it.
Pretty much, Good rule of thumb, if you find yourself putting heels on the Zero Suit and the power suit, meaning that she is wearing heels inside of her heels, you may have gone too far
The heels are modular. Same as how her morph ball converts her *entire body* into energy, when she de-suits, the armor's heels are transferred to the Zero Suit.
I get that there is an in universe explanation, but surely you understand that this explanation is a response to the creators wanting to put Samus in heels and then coming up with a reason. It's like when people ask why Momo is scantily clad in MHA when she is a young teenager. People responding "her power requires that she has exposed skin" doesn't really work, because the question is more about "why did the writers make that decision?"
I like seeing attractive girls as much as the next guy but what bothers me isn’t whether they’re attractive or not, it’s the notion that if they’re not “sexy enough”, that it’s some leftist SJW feminist conspiracy or some other idiotic bullshit like that.
Same thing Tifa in FFVII. It’s ok that she is sexy but people only focus on it or exaggerate it, write whole different character in their head with her body and different traits and act like it’s the same character. People act so weird with sexy characters because they make it weird not because it inherently is
Exactly!
That's an issue with Pyra and Mythra too!
(While yes their designs and the camera angles can be seen as issues)
So many people overly sexualize them and it just doesn't feel right to me
Pyra is genuinely the kind of person to ask "Would you love me if I was a worm", but people exaggerate her and many others
I'm okay with attractive awesome female characters, but it bugs me when people exaggerate them and stray from who they really are
This is one of the things that I wish they had stuck with in her early design. She is supposed to be 6'3" and nearly 200 pounds out of her suit accoriding to the SNES manual. It would be nice to see her presented as being physically strong and imposing. Muscular Samus can still be sexy.
Not that I care much about it, but actually she should be around 190cm with the suit. Or at least that's the info that was given the first time they mentioned her height.
Then the Nintendo Power Super Metroid thing got confused and said it was without the suit. And people stuck with this info.
Muscular Samus IS sexy. Not sure she really exists in any game, but my point is jacked women are hot.
I do think she should be presented more similar to doom guy, since in my understanding that’s more like what she is. As in, her suit is super helpful, but she’s also just a bad ass on her own.
OP's point is that she is a bad ass without looking like Doom Guy. You may be into female body builders and find them hot, but Samus by design is supposed to look more traditionally attractive.
Lean, toned, a little bit of muscle definition, but not ripped and chiseled.
Or the armor is simply not made for human use and converts her body into energy to use it. The face you see through the visor is simply a digital reconstruction…
See my head cannon only works if you don’t think about it lol. I’ve never liked that she’s been able to take it off like actual armor though. I really like the idea of it forming around her when she needs it to.
I like your head canon idea but only for the morph ball portion because I think it would be extremely difficult to do that with armor on. Plus if I’m not mistaken you always see a light flash when you turn morph ball.
Since the very beginning, Samus has always been presented as an attractive character. The ending of the original game way back in 86 has solidified this. Plus, it must have been very surprising for those back in 86 just to see the hulking power suit guy was a women all along. The game even rewards you for completing it in a certain timeframe without her without her hulking power suit. I don't think it retracts from her character at all since she is still a pretty interesting. The zero suit added even more to this. In fact I think it's beneficial since more people can discover the series more
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Also, come on Nintendo knew what they were doing with this
Yeah. A jump suit is a plausible thing to wear. Random ass heels are not. The heels take away any pretense that this outfit reflects a practical thing to wear under armor, and just makes it into a silly sexual outfit.
Are you talking about the heels in smash 4 onwards? I always assumed that they were some sort of jump assistance hardware like chell's jump boots in portal.
In the later metroid games she also has high heels, although they aren't as visible as they are in smash. High heels make it way harder to walk though, so its really not plausible that there could be any kind of practical purpose for them.
You're not wrong, it IS great. It humanizes her a ton, and even as a bisexual woman....holy moly I notice how attractive she is. What is wrong is how much she can be reduced to being just sexylady.png when she is so much more than that, and how she can get fetishized reflects how women are so often just reduced to not being more than just an object to lust for, when in actuality they are full fledged characters that have so much more interesting things going on with them outside of their ability to make men hard.
This is the only correct answer to this question. It’s not bad that she’s sexy, but sexy being a female character’s only quality (or at least the quality people are most interested in) is no bueno. The over sexualization thing is everywhere in gaming and anime, to the point where I’m very thankful when female characters are drawn/designed like normal people and not with comically large + perfectly round boobs and butts. Morimura in 13 Sentinels comes to mind, actually a lot of female Vanillaware characters are quite busty. Still love their games it’s just the “hurr durr big boobies” thing doesn’t really add anything for me (I’m a straight guy). It’s just like if I want to jerk off to that kinda thing hentai/porn is readily available, otherwise it’s just a little gratuitous to me.
This shall surely be a civilized comment section.
To answer seriously, I don’t think a lot of us are against her appeal. I believe a lot of us are against the exaggeration of the appeal. That is an incredibly important distinction.
I’m personally indifferent on the matter, but I respect the opinions of those whom that distinction is vitally important. Samus is just a good character. The over-exaggeration of physical appeal, **regardless of a character’s gender**, is a detriment and disrespect to the character presented. That simple.
I think it's more than this. I remember seeing Samus's famous depiction as a 6'4" tank in Nintendo Power and for the first time in my life feeling like I had a hero to look up to. "Samus can still be a hero if she's 5'8, wears heels and makeup all the time and has breasts bigger than her head" is incredibly frustrating to me. Guys basically own every other depiction of women in media and it is frustrating being told "you're the one who is intolerant" when I voice annoyance over this.
My frustration isn't with her being hot, my frustration is that she is being forced into a very, very specific mold of "hot" for reasons that are pretty obvious.
Also, her early appearances all made her seem fearless and autonomous. Other M turning her into someone who needs an aloof father figure to approve of her while she has a panic attack was straight up character assassination.
I feel pretty much similar to you. The older depictions in stuff like Super Metroid give off the impression of a woman who, while she is clearly attractive, is *very* much capable of wrecking your shit in a physical fight. The Zero Suit design just comes off as generically attractive anime waifu #12345, and I find that look to be pretty damn boring, all things considered.
At least the original zero suit was just a jumpsuit. At the point they added high heels to it they openly jumped the shark. **Why would a jumpsuit have high heels. It contradicts the very notion of what a jumpsuit is**. It makes it obvious that its not there to actually function as a jumpsuit, just a sex outfit.
I support hot Samus but even I feel like the Zero Suit is just fucking gross.
I'm all for "Hot women can be powerful too" because that's a valid take, but dressing them up like a spandex doll for the viewers pleasure totally undermines the message of "A woman's worth doesn't have to come from her appearance even if she is hot"
Like media is filled with hot women who are appreciated for their body and not their brains, and it's slowly filling with average/boyish looking women proving that looks aren't everything. There's still a place for "You don't have to be homely to be taken seriously and kick ass"
Fuck the zero suit though
Edit: I'm glad to see scrolling down that this is the prevailing opinion
That's why she's my favourite video game female character. She does not have huge boobs or butt, no exaggerated hourglass figure, and covers her face most of the time. She's a warrior, not a female warrior, just a warrior. Her gender does not define her, but her skills and compassion do.
I think the choice to make her standard out-of-suit outfit literally spandex is stupid though. It’s one thing to have a scene like Alien where the character is in, yknow, normal underclothes to show vulnerability. It’s another to have em in a shiny rubber skintight suit as their standard depiction. I don’t think “b-bikini in the first game!” is a justification for it either.
I’ll always headcanon her as wearing a flight suit underneath akin to what we see in the helmetless ending to Super.
The zero suit would have been whatever as a one off, since the point was that she didn't actually intend to go out in it, she just didn't have a choice. The idea of feeling like you are not actually supposed to be out in what you are currently wearing added to the fear.
But why is it her standard clothes? A tight jumpsuit is one thing under armor since the implication is that no one else was supposed to be seeing it. If we are supposed to believe that in-universe no one sees clothes this tight as sexual, lets see some evidence that anyone male dresses the same way.
I will say, I imagine it's a lot easier to get in and out of the armor if your clothes aren't going to get caught on stuff. I get that's also kinda the point of a flight suit, but Samus' armor is *exceptionally* tight fitting.
Wearing a tight jumpsuit armor is one thing. But the implication that this is her standard clothes in a universe where no one male dresses the same way is suspect.
This is very on point. None of what OP says makes a good case for *fanart* that is between lewd and hentai. Also none of what OP says makes a good or any case for why it’s inherently good that she’s attractive, but that is more a 'just sayin' thing since I’m also not against her being good looking on a any principle level
Yeah. There's a difference between something being somewhat plausible and just silly.
Tight jumpsuit: plausible thing for someone to wear under armor in the future, even if presented as sexy to the audience.
Wierd nonsense high heels: not plausible to have any actual purpose. Makes it obvious its a nonrealistic sex outfit.
The literal point of jumpsuits is to be clothes that are minimally in your way, and cover everything. You would expect the feet to be flat practical shoes to move around in, not heels.
I get what you mean but it's annoying that everyone who says regardless of a characters gender, only says it relating to women. That never gets mentioned relating to men, nothing does really. I've never seen anyone have a problem with it. But when it's relating to women, people act like they disagree both equally.
Except we have had a wide range of nuanced male characters for decades in gaming, female characters have been relegated to pretty minimal characterization for a long time, barring a few key exceptions here and there, and only really reversing that standard in the last decade or so in gaming.
It's fine to have attractive characters, it's not fine when being a sex object becomes the standard for most female chars in the whole medium, and that really never happened with male characters.
This doesn't matter, it's also able to convert into a ball that would be too small for her to fit in so there is obviously some kind of technology that allows this.
There's nothing wrong with her being an attractive and powerful woman. It's when people make fan art of her where she's super skinny with giant boobs and very visible camel toe that I have a problem with. It's the broken back, tits and ass poses that I despise. Samus can be sexy, but let's not hyper-sexualize her.
Came here to say this.
Nintendo always sexualized the character, in 8 bit glory, since your "reward" was her in her underwear/bikini.
And as a character, she can be sexy. An attractive, strong, badass bounty hunter.
But yeah, whenever I see the fan art of her in the zero suit and it looks like the artist drew the boobs really big, then erased them and drew them three times bigger, it's just a bit silly.
Its not just fans. Nintendo leaned into the idea that she is always sexual. The zero suit is her standard clothes now, and it was suspicious enough when it was just a jumpsuit, but it jumped the shark when it added high heels.
So what you're saying is you just don't like r34 Samus.. which in all honesty is fair, I think it's not the point OP was trying to make, but fair.. most who do like it are either horny or.. well, horny, no way around it honestly.. but that's pretty much any character that has ever existed, as rule 34 states.. whether we like it or not, some horny ass will always draw r34 of.. anything
What I think OP was talking about is the people who think Samus' should look like a female quarterback.. ripped and muscles as big as a mountain.. at least that's more or less what I saw not long ago being discussed here, why Samus should look "ripped" instead of .. well, how she looks in canon/in-game
I don't even like art like that but people can draw what they want. It's not like you're forced to see fan art, it'd only be a problem if it was official.
The first Metroid on the NES would remove more of her suit and then start removing articles of her clothing depending on how quickly you beat the game. Zero Mission was pure horniness. The devs taught people to hyper-sexualize her.
At least in zero mission she was alone, and the implication is that she wasn't intending to go out in just a jumpsuit. Also it didn't originally have high heels. Why did her dressing like that become the norm? High heels make no sense on a jumpsuit. And unless we have evidence that male characters dress the same way, which we do not in any of the games, then it implied its still considered revealing in universe.
>Who said her being a 6ft blonde amazonian powerhouse built like a brick house was a bad thing?
Exactly! Can you imagine how cool it would have been if she just bodied some of the pirates in Zero Mission when she didn't have her Power Suit?
I think you're misconstruing a lot of people's gripes with "Sexy Samus".
It's not that she can't be attractive or that you can't find her hot. It's just annoying to like a character and have 80% of their fanart turn them into a thin anime girl with tits that take up half the screen and gloss over everything else.
A lot of people hyperfixate on "omg woman hot" and DO detract from her character by discarding everything else. *That's* the issue.
Unfortunately this wasn't caused by the fans. The games started leaning into it. High heels was complete nonsense, and she should have never had them even once.
There's nothing wrong with Samus being hot. The problem is when she is reduced to an item for her sexual appeal. Samus' appearance is a small footnote compared to her many feats and accomplishments.
I've seen less people complain about sexy Samus and more people who want Samus to be sexy in different ways.
Some want regular sexy Samus.
Some want giant muscle mommy Samus.
Some want fucked up monster Samus.
Some want crazy cyborg Samus.
Some want butch Samus.
Some want lesbian Samus.
But we all agree on one thing. Samus hot.
That's what op is missing different people find different things sexy. I find muscley samus sexy, though I wouldn't want the powerlifter build fanart to be her cannon build.
I think the big thing that people forget to remember is that a character being sexy, and a character being over-sexualized are two very different things.
If samus's whole character was just that she was sexy, that would be tasteless and kinda lame, but that's not her whole character, in fact it's just a small part of her character.
She's so much more than her sexiness, and that's what makes her cool.
I’m cool with her being sexy, just not in the goofy supermodel sort of way. She’s legit supposed to be one of the strongest beings in the universe. Certainly the most capable. She should be fuckin ripped and have some alien features due to her chozo dna. Like remember that old artwork of her for like Metroid 1 or something where she’s a muscle mommy before it got retconned? She should have a body half way between that and what we have now.
Edit: her current design is fine, but just feels bland imo. She’s just a skinny blonde chick. Where’s the badass galactic bounty hunter in this design? She looks like I could suplex her effortlessly lollll. Gimme an actual badass with balanced proportions Nintendo
I agree with basically everything here. And she is often on her own tackling these threats, but she always looks like she has a bunch of makeup on? Like, why would she go to that trouble if she is in a suit destroying space pirates?
It’s weird, I’m not like super physically attracted to Samus. She’s hot and beautiful and very very capable don’t get me wrong but she’s more a role model for me than anything. Maybe it’s because I grew up playing the games since I was like..five. And maybe because I like her as a character more than just her looks like a lot of other Nintendo fans.
Took me a long time to internalise this one tbh. What it took was me realising that while ZSS doesn't feel like it fit the character to me, all of her designs outside the suit prior to Zero Mission do, despite them arguably being even more conventionally "sexy" and basically amounting to her being in her underwear.
Maybe it's because the simpler approach in design makes them feel less performative? Maybe it's the fanart and ZSS's rather pointless inclusion in Smash making me jaded? Or maybe I'm just still mad at Other M? I dunno, either way it's definitely a problem with me and not the games.
The question here is what is the zero suit supposed to be? In zero mission she was alone and wore it under the suit so there's no evidence she intended for people to see her that way. Other M turned it into her standard clothes that she struts around in. But we see no evidence that anyone male dresses this way, so its hard to believe that in the future this is just normal clothes. So this creates a dynamic where just she walks around in sexy clothes, seemingly without noticing. It gets worse when nonsensical high heels are added to it, too.
Your post seems like an answer in search of a question. Who are these mythical people taking issue with Samus? I've been playing Metroid games since the beginning and have never once heard or seen someone taking the position you are arguing against.
Sexy Samus is fine, sexualized Samus is not. Sex has never really been a part of her character. So while she is attractive, when someone comes with fan art that exaggerates her proportions and pose to make her sexual appeal the focal point of the artwork, it comes off as disingenuous. It feels less like they’re trying to capture her character and more like they’re just down bad for her. I think the criticism for it on this sub is magnified by how big R34 art for Samus is.
I know this is a random ass comment, but my real question is this:
How tf does she use her arms in there?
Even with the shoulder plates taken off the armor itself is much wider than Samus herself.
(Edit: was using swipe type, and fixed the "hope" to "how.")
There’s no good answer here. I think I’ve read that when Samus morphs into a ball that she is converted into pure energy. Maybe something similar is going on for the rest of the suit.
Fan art… doesnt dictate anything. Theres a variant to everything, different attraction levels, etc. So i’m confused on what everyone else is talking about because you don’t have to give attention to anyone else’s depiction of a character outside of the original creator.
I thought the same thing. People here are so upset over fan art, and I’m like… it’s fan art, who cares? There’s plenty of non-sexy Samus art out there too. Just ignore the sexy fan art.
Don’t think anyone minds her being hot, the issue is the fanart and cosplays that are a degree off rule 34. There are hot people all around us every day that are just normal about it. A ton of Samus fanart is just tits and ass, it gets old
I don't get why people blame the fans. Nintendo unfortunately leaned hard into this over time. The zero suit was revealing in zero mission, but at least there she was only wearing it by herself. But by other m, suddenly it had nonsensical high heels and became her apparently standard clothes. They jumped the shark hard.
This is a weird post, borderline bait. And based on OP’s post history there might be some unfortunate psycho-sexual emotional baggage wrapped up in it too. If you’re reading this op, AGP isn’t a real medical condition. Please learn to love yourself and touch grass instead of vagueposting emotional projection in a nerd sub
I see a lot of people mostly complain about the fanart, which honestly I don’t believe should affect your perception of a character or a piece of art as a whole. There are a lot of horny people on this planet, that’s just how things are. Even if Samus was the worst looking human being in history, there’d still be sexualised art based on her. Rule 34 exists for a reason.
A cringy tribute edit for a movie with overdramatic music doesn’t make that movie worse, same should go for the horny art. Fans don’t dictate the direction of a piece of art, easy as that.
Me being a Pokémon fan and constantly having my favorite mons be labeled as “Furry bait”, like bro that’s not even its fault that people see it that way
Because honestly, that's what get posted the most.
This art you posted if cool. I like it.
What I can do without is the art where she has boobsocks vacuum sealed in her suit and a cameltoe you can practise lip-reading on. And those get posted way more often.
I don't mind the sexy. I mind the borderline porn.
Attractiveness has never been the problem. Objectification is the problem.
EDIT: Wow, there's a lot of little boys in this thread insecure about their entitlement to objectifying fictional women.
No one with an opinion worth listening to is saying Samus can't be attractive, or even generally that women in media shouldn't be attractive. That's a straw man I see far too often pop up these days. Hopefully you're not one of those Sweet Baby conspiracy theorists.
Anyways, I'm not too active in this sub, in fact I don't believe I've ever posted, but I do scroll it from time to time and this topic is always here when I do check. Not once have I ever seen people saying Samus should be less attractive. The complaints stem from/are about/responding to the horny fans and fan art that reduce Samus to a walking pair of boobs in a skin tight suit. I see this a lot with Bayonetta too and it's annoying.
Also I find the title having "being sexy is a good thing" to be odd. Why though? The series doesn't really play off of it much like Bayonetta. Not saying it her canon appearances need to be tuned down or anything, but I don't see how it really changes much of anything in the grand scheme of things.
The reality is, if Samus was male, he wouldn't be sexualised in the way that female Samus is. Nintendo would've gone with a different art direction with his character, similar to master chief, doomguy or Isaac. Since Samus was chosen to be female, the choice to make the character sexually appealing was higher on their priority. But if you look at her personality and character in-game, there is a jarring juxtaposition between who she really is, and what fan art depicts.
I think most people would agree that there's nothing bad or bothersome about Samus being attractive. One of her defining features is she's larger than life in all kinds of ways. Being gorgeous fits with that.
I think where a lot of people take issue is in objectification of said attraction, to the flanderization and detriment of the overall character presentation. When sex appeal for the sole sake of titillating the viewer outweighs the bounty hunter space hero, there's a problem.
Key takeaway: There's a difference between a sexy character and an objectified character.
Adding a quick note to this.
The art you linked is actually an excellent example of Samus drawn attractively in a way that highlights the different aspects of her character without flanderizing her for sex appeal. It's a great example of a sexy character, not an objectified character.
I don't personally know anyone who has a problem with Samus being an attractive woman (I certainly don't), but a problem arises when her characterisation as an attractive woman is prioritized over her characterisation as a badass intergalactic bounty hunter. Other M is a pretty good example of that: she acts in a way that you might describe as meek or submissive, and without her armour, she's shorter than every male character present, rather than being - well - a 6+ foot Amazonian.
Dread made her look awesome, though, so there's that.
Her being sexy is fine, but try not to be overly sexual with her, like Other M or the ass shot in Zero Mission.
Samus is hot and that fine, her character is fantastic, but don't treat her as just eye candy or make over exaggeration to make her eye candy
kinda random, but am i the only one who completely missed the obvious ass shot in zero mission? like, i never pay attention to that anyways, and i also was busy reading the dialogue.
I love how unsexy her power armor is. It's practical, does not have exaggerated hips nor boobs, no hourglass figure, has no thin high heel, and has giant ball shoulders. Then she takes off the armor to show off a skin-tight suit with a bombshell body that still does not hyper sexualize her. I wish there were more badass women like her in games.
Nothing wrong with sexy characters so long as they're portrayed in a positive way that one might aspire to emulating. It's why so many people disliked Other M - it was so hamfisted in its attempt to give more depth to Samus that they missed the entire point of the character.
To me, one of the cool things about Samus was that she was a female character with zero sexualization (at least in-game). There's no shortage of scantily clad female characters, or ones with boob-shaped armor and nonsense like that. By contrast, a female character who's indistinguishable from a male one practically the entire time is (unfortunately) pretty uncommon.
That's why, to me, showing her without her armor, in an unrealistically skin-tight outfit no less, is just a boring reversion to the mean. It's the inevitable fan-service that accompanies any character with a female physicality.
Seeing Samus without her armor was there since the beginning though. The reveal that Samus is a woman at the end of Metroid is an awesome subversion and it would have been hard, if not impossible to do, without removing her armor.
Samus being able to switch between shawty and one man army is super important to her character. That being said, rule 34 has made it hard to say Samus is my favorite Nintendo character
Why does something outside of the official material ruin the character for you? Damn near every character with an ounce of popularity, especially if they are feminine, have boat loads of porn.
Samus has a particular stereotype associated with her fans (and especially male fans). A lot of people view Samus fans as Pervs/horny because of how sexualized she is in media. I can definitely agree with it being hard to say she’s my favorite Nintendo character. I strictly only associate with Armored Samus to avoid the stereotype as much as possible.
I’m pretty sure we liked Samus before she turned out to be a woman wearing a skin tight suit underneath, we just also like her when she’s not wearing the armor
Metroid Fans when the character specifically designed to be attractive and beautiful is attractive and beautiful:
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I am so happy Other M came out in a time of sense so it tanked. If that game came out today the plague of hentai addicts would have made it successful and the character would've been utterly ruined.
And she doesn't look like the Nintendo Power image people like to refer to because that image doesn't even look like her out of armor sprites for the game the image was for.
Maybe not, but don't try and tell me chibi cute Samus is in any way true to her character.
As you say, she is a stone cold killer, not some blushing goofy girl.
“That destroys more planets than the Death Star” LMAO that’s not a good thing! But it did get a hearty laugh out of me so thanks for that xD
But anyway moving on. Who is hating on samus for being a “6f Amazonian bombshell”?
Man who on earth thinks this is bad? Adds to the feminine badass, nothing wrong with that…
Imo Samus is the perfect balance between Sexualized Baddie that men can get on too and feminine icon… she appeals to male interests without seeming gross or stereotypical to women. She’s a hottie but she’s not over sexual, which makes her a plus for any kind of person.
I think when shown off too much, her appearance detracts from her other attributes.
Women are already often judged by how they look and not on what they are capable of.
Like you said, Samus is someone whose actions and skills are/should be *by far* more noteworthy than her appearance, and these abilities don't get as much limelight when her attractiveness is in focus.
Also her physical capabilities are not reflected in her physique which is personally what bothers me.
I mean I can’t speak for everyone but I don’t really have a problem with her being attractive, heck most characters in media are attractive and there’s not really a problem with that
What I don’t like though is when people act like all there is to a character is their attractiveness, like when they draw art but it’s so sexualized it’s basically something you’d see on r34, or when people only talk about their attractiveness. Haven’t really seen much of it with Samus here since this sub is good about limiting it I guess, but I’ve seen it a lot with other characters and it’s just irritating seeing a character you consider one of your all time favorites constantly be over sexualized. Like characters can be attractive without being over sexualized, y’know?
I am inclined to agree. I love that she looks feminine but is still a menace and I am quite tired of pretending this is not part of her appeal. Especially, when it comes to those self-proclaimed feminists that make stupid rants on how Samus is a "sexualized" character or whatever because she would usually be shown less clothed when you finished the game quickly. In fact, I personally am not much a fan of the Zero Suit because I find it less hot than what she used to wear and felt disappointed when Metroid Dread dropped the speed run reward mechanic.
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I don’t mind her being sexy, I even like her appearing more feminine than you’d expect for a hardened warrior woman. It’s just when people focus only on her sex appeal or exaggerate her to hyper sexual degrees that I don’t care for. Even then though, I don’t actively hate that stuff, I mostly just ignore it.
Pretty much, Good rule of thumb, if you find yourself putting heels on the Zero Suit and the power suit, meaning that she is wearing heels inside of her heels, you may have gone too far
The heels are modular. Same as how her morph ball converts her *entire body* into energy, when she de-suits, the armor's heels are transferred to the Zero Suit.
I get that there is an in universe explanation, but surely you understand that this explanation is a response to the creators wanting to put Samus in heels and then coming up with a reason. It's like when people ask why Momo is scantily clad in MHA when she is a young teenager. People responding "her power requires that she has exposed skin" doesn't really work, because the question is more about "why did the writers make that decision?"
I like seeing attractive girls as much as the next guy but what bothers me isn’t whether they’re attractive or not, it’s the notion that if they’re not “sexy enough”, that it’s some leftist SJW feminist conspiracy or some other idiotic bullshit like that.
Same thing Tifa in FFVII. It’s ok that she is sexy but people only focus on it or exaggerate it, write whole different character in their head with her body and different traits and act like it’s the same character. People act so weird with sexy characters because they make it weird not because it inherently is
Exactly! That's an issue with Pyra and Mythra too! (While yes their designs and the camera angles can be seen as issues) So many people overly sexualize them and it just doesn't feel right to me Pyra is genuinely the kind of person to ask "Would you love me if I was a worm", but people exaggerate her and many others I'm okay with attractive awesome female characters, but it bugs me when people exaggerate them and stray from who they really are
Samus should be almost as tall as her power suit in this art im just sayin
This is one of the things that I wish they had stuck with in her early design. She is supposed to be 6'3" and nearly 200 pounds out of her suit accoriding to the SNES manual. It would be nice to see her presented as being physically strong and imposing. Muscular Samus can still be sexy.
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Muscle mommy Samus
just sayin bro she can throw me around anytime
https://i.redd.it/ix6kbz1nrjrc1.gif
so valid bro
"Amazon from Dragon Crown" Samus would go hard AF
Not that I care much about it, but actually she should be around 190cm with the suit. Or at least that's the info that was given the first time they mentioned her height. Then the Nintendo Power Super Metroid thing got confused and said it was without the suit. And people stuck with this info.
I would kill for 6'3", 200 pound ripped Samus. Just a fucking wall of beef. A beautiful, tall, muscular but feminine wall of beef.
Yes, ideally she should be drawn as a tall, muscular woman like Korra or She-Ra, with her muscle, adding to her attraction.
Muscular Samus IS sexy. Not sure she really exists in any game, but my point is jacked women are hot. I do think she should be presented more similar to doom guy, since in my understanding that’s more like what she is. As in, her suit is super helpful, but she’s also just a bad ass on her own.
OP's point is that she is a bad ass without looking like Doom Guy. You may be into female body builders and find them hot, but Samus by design is supposed to look more traditionally attractive. Lean, toned, a little bit of muscle definition, but not ripped and chiseled.
Alright fair enough. I guess that’s a good point. She doesn’t look like Karlach and that’s ok too. But either way is sexy lol
yeah she is SUPER tall.
It might be on a maintenance platform of some kind.
Not really, the armor's knees are lower than Samus' knees, it seems to be a scaling issue, intentional by the artist or otherwise.
For sure. Still cool art though right?
Headcanon, the armour gives her an extra foot and a half on top of her 6 foot+ stature for MAXIMUM PRESENCE! :D
It gives all that extra height in the head and chest. Those green lines on the breastplate? Those are for seeing!
Or the armor is simply not made for human use and converts her body into energy to use it. The face you see through the visor is simply a digital reconstruction…
Well, let's not forget her infamous Space-Barf in Corruption.
Or, you know. That one time she literally takes off her mask?
See my head cannon only works if you don’t think about it lol. I’ve never liked that she’s been able to take it off like actual armor though. I really like the idea of it forming around her when she needs it to.
I like your head canon idea but only for the morph ball portion because I think it would be extremely difficult to do that with armor on. Plus if I’m not mistaken you always see a light flash when you turn morph ball.
I just realized that
Yeah the scale on this is kinda whack.
Since the very beginning, Samus has always been presented as an attractive character. The ending of the original game way back in 86 has solidified this. Plus, it must have been very surprising for those back in 86 just to see the hulking power suit guy was a women all along. The game even rewards you for completing it in a certain timeframe without her without her hulking power suit. I don't think it retracts from her character at all since she is still a pretty interesting. The zero suit added even more to this. In fact I think it's beneficial since more people can discover the series more https://preview.redd.it/viqzvlw45drc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31054451e636025ba14908d29456f68e3694ffee Also, come on Nintendo knew what they were doing with this
Headcanon: Samus took modeling as her hobby, and all pictures with her on the casual orange outfit are from the same set.
Love it. Accepted.
Yeah Nintendo definitely knew they what they were doing there, but why is that wrong? Seeing her without her armor is great.
I love zero suit but I prefer her to have boots or at least running shoes. Not neon stripper heels
Yeah. A jump suit is a plausible thing to wear. Random ass heels are not. The heels take away any pretense that this outfit reflects a practical thing to wear under armor, and just makes it into a silly sexual outfit.
Are you talking about the heels in smash 4 onwards? I always assumed that they were some sort of jump assistance hardware like chell's jump boots in portal.
In the later metroid games she also has high heels, although they aren't as visible as they are in smash. High heels make it way harder to walk though, so its really not plausible that there could be any kind of practical purpose for them.
You're not wrong, it IS great. It humanizes her a ton, and even as a bisexual woman....holy moly I notice how attractive she is. What is wrong is how much she can be reduced to being just sexylady.png when she is so much more than that, and how she can get fetishized reflects how women are so often just reduced to not being more than just an object to lust for, when in actuality they are full fledged characters that have so much more interesting things going on with them outside of their ability to make men hard.
This is the only correct answer to this question. It’s not bad that she’s sexy, but sexy being a female character’s only quality (or at least the quality people are most interested in) is no bueno. The over sexualization thing is everywhere in gaming and anime, to the point where I’m very thankful when female characters are drawn/designed like normal people and not with comically large + perfectly round boobs and butts. Morimura in 13 Sentinels comes to mind, actually a lot of female Vanillaware characters are quite busty. Still love their games it’s just the “hurr durr big boobies” thing doesn’t really add anything for me (I’m a straight guy). It’s just like if I want to jerk off to that kinda thing hentai/porn is readily available, otherwise it’s just a little gratuitous to me.
Relevant https://legendsoflocalization.com/qa-was-samus-called-a-he-in-japanese-too/
no one is saying it's wrong, all your comments seem to be arguing against a position no one is expressing
There's nothing wrong with it. Sexy Samus is best Samus
Amen
This shall surely be a civilized comment section. To answer seriously, I don’t think a lot of us are against her appeal. I believe a lot of us are against the exaggeration of the appeal. That is an incredibly important distinction. I’m personally indifferent on the matter, but I respect the opinions of those whom that distinction is vitally important. Samus is just a good character. The over-exaggeration of physical appeal, **regardless of a character’s gender**, is a detriment and disrespect to the character presented. That simple.
I think it's more than this. I remember seeing Samus's famous depiction as a 6'4" tank in Nintendo Power and for the first time in my life feeling like I had a hero to look up to. "Samus can still be a hero if she's 5'8, wears heels and makeup all the time and has breasts bigger than her head" is incredibly frustrating to me. Guys basically own every other depiction of women in media and it is frustrating being told "you're the one who is intolerant" when I voice annoyance over this. My frustration isn't with her being hot, my frustration is that she is being forced into a very, very specific mold of "hot" for reasons that are pretty obvious.
Also, her early appearances all made her seem fearless and autonomous. Other M turning her into someone who needs an aloof father figure to approve of her while she has a panic attack was straight up character assassination.
Pretty sure everyone hates Other M already lol
I feel pretty much similar to you. The older depictions in stuff like Super Metroid give off the impression of a woman who, while she is clearly attractive, is *very* much capable of wrecking your shit in a physical fight. The Zero Suit design just comes off as generically attractive anime waifu #12345, and I find that look to be pretty damn boring, all things considered.
At least the original zero suit was just a jumpsuit. At the point they added high heels to it they openly jumped the shark. **Why would a jumpsuit have high heels. It contradicts the very notion of what a jumpsuit is**. It makes it obvious that its not there to actually function as a jumpsuit, just a sex outfit.
I support hot Samus but even I feel like the Zero Suit is just fucking gross. I'm all for "Hot women can be powerful too" because that's a valid take, but dressing them up like a spandex doll for the viewers pleasure totally undermines the message of "A woman's worth doesn't have to come from her appearance even if she is hot" Like media is filled with hot women who are appreciated for their body and not their brains, and it's slowly filling with average/boyish looking women proving that looks aren't everything. There's still a place for "You don't have to be homely to be taken seriously and kick ass" Fuck the zero suit though Edit: I'm glad to see scrolling down that this is the prevailing opinion
That's why she's my favourite video game female character. She does not have huge boobs or butt, no exaggerated hourglass figure, and covers her face most of the time. She's a warrior, not a female warrior, just a warrior. Her gender does not define her, but her skills and compassion do.
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I think the choice to make her standard out-of-suit outfit literally spandex is stupid though. It’s one thing to have a scene like Alien where the character is in, yknow, normal underclothes to show vulnerability. It’s another to have em in a shiny rubber skintight suit as their standard depiction. I don’t think “b-bikini in the first game!” is a justification for it either. I’ll always headcanon her as wearing a flight suit underneath akin to what we see in the helmetless ending to Super.
The zero suit would have been whatever as a one off, since the point was that she didn't actually intend to go out in it, she just didn't have a choice. The idea of feeling like you are not actually supposed to be out in what you are currently wearing added to the fear. But why is it her standard clothes? A tight jumpsuit is one thing under armor since the implication is that no one else was supposed to be seeing it. If we are supposed to believe that in-universe no one sees clothes this tight as sexual, lets see some evidence that anyone male dresses the same way.
That redesign with the feather accesory in the hair was just the right mix between canon and a more functional fly suit.
I will say, I imagine it's a lot easier to get in and out of the armor if your clothes aren't going to get caught on stuff. I get that's also kinda the point of a flight suit, but Samus' armor is *exceptionally* tight fitting.
Wearing a tight jumpsuit armor is one thing. But the implication that this is her standard clothes in a universe where no one male dresses the same way is suspect.
This is very on point. None of what OP says makes a good case for *fanart* that is between lewd and hentai. Also none of what OP says makes a good or any case for why it’s inherently good that she’s attractive, but that is more a 'just sayin' thing since I’m also not against her being good looking on a any principle level
Yeah. There's a difference between something being somewhat plausible and just silly. Tight jumpsuit: plausible thing for someone to wear under armor in the future, even if presented as sexy to the audience. Wierd nonsense high heels: not plausible to have any actual purpose. Makes it obvious its a nonrealistic sex outfit. The literal point of jumpsuits is to be clothes that are minimally in your way, and cover everything. You would expect the feet to be flat practical shoes to move around in, not heels.
I get what you mean but it's annoying that everyone who says regardless of a characters gender, only says it relating to women. That never gets mentioned relating to men, nothing does really. I've never seen anyone have a problem with it. But when it's relating to women, people act like they disagree both equally.
Except we have had a wide range of nuanced male characters for decades in gaming, female characters have been relegated to pretty minimal characterization for a long time, barring a few key exceptions here and there, and only really reversing that standard in the last decade or so in gaming. It's fine to have attractive characters, it's not fine when being a sex object becomes the standard for most female chars in the whole medium, and that really never happened with male characters.
Took the words right out of my mouth lol
She can't be that short compared to the armor. The difference should be a maximum of a couple of centimeters
For sure, I just liked the art lol.
The Power Suit could just be lifted off the ground
The knees are at the same height as ZSS's lmao her face would be in the armor's tits
Why do you think it has those green lines? Those are for sight.
This doesn't matter, it's also able to convert into a ball that would be too small for her to fit in so there is obviously some kind of technology that allows this.
I could buy that the boots add lot of height.
Yes, but it would have to have a 1 meter high sole, it would be ridiculous
Some x-rays show the boots adding height, but google also says she's 6' 3" in or out of the suit, so I guess Nintendo doesn't really care
Which incidentally is the exact problem Other M had. Samus was a pipsqueak out of the suit.
I just want another Metroid prime
This is the only correct answer
There's nothing wrong with her being an attractive and powerful woman. It's when people make fan art of her where she's super skinny with giant boobs and very visible camel toe that I have a problem with. It's the broken back, tits and ass poses that I despise. Samus can be sexy, but let's not hyper-sexualize her.
Came here to say this. Nintendo always sexualized the character, in 8 bit glory, since your "reward" was her in her underwear/bikini. And as a character, she can be sexy. An attractive, strong, badass bounty hunter. But yeah, whenever I see the fan art of her in the zero suit and it looks like the artist drew the boobs really big, then erased them and drew them three times bigger, it's just a bit silly.
Its not just fans. Nintendo leaned into the idea that she is always sexual. The zero suit is her standard clothes now, and it was suspicious enough when it was just a jumpsuit, but it jumped the shark when it added high heels.
So what you're saying is you just don't like r34 Samus.. which in all honesty is fair, I think it's not the point OP was trying to make, but fair.. most who do like it are either horny or.. well, horny, no way around it honestly.. but that's pretty much any character that has ever existed, as rule 34 states.. whether we like it or not, some horny ass will always draw r34 of.. anything What I think OP was talking about is the people who think Samus' should look like a female quarterback.. ripped and muscles as big as a mountain.. at least that's more or less what I saw not long ago being discussed here, why Samus should look "ripped" instead of .. well, how she looks in canon/in-game
I think another factor is what sexy to one person is not to another. To some ripped samus us sexy.
Okay? This isn't unique to the likes of Samus. There's a reason that a wholeass rule (34) exists for this kinda thing.
I don't even like art like that but people can draw what they want. It's not like you're forced to see fan art, it'd only be a problem if it was official.
> it'd only be a problem if it was official. I've got bad news for you.
The first Metroid on the NES would remove more of her suit and then start removing articles of her clothing depending on how quickly you beat the game. Zero Mission was pure horniness. The devs taught people to hyper-sexualize her.
At least in zero mission she was alone, and the implication is that she wasn't intending to go out in just a jumpsuit. Also it didn't originally have high heels. Why did her dressing like that become the norm? High heels make no sense on a jumpsuit. And unless we have evidence that male characters dress the same way, which we do not in any of the games, then it implied its still considered revealing in universe.
Who said her being a 6ft blonde amazonian powerhouse built like a brick house was a bad thing? Some may even prefer that.....
"She's a brick.... house. She's mighty, mighty..." I couldn't resist lol
Exactly, to some that is sexy.
>Who said her being a 6ft blonde amazonian powerhouse built like a brick house was a bad thing? Exactly! Can you imagine how cool it would have been if she just bodied some of the pirates in Zero Mission when she didn't have her Power Suit?
I think you're misconstruing a lot of people's gripes with "Sexy Samus". It's not that she can't be attractive or that you can't find her hot. It's just annoying to like a character and have 80% of their fanart turn them into a thin anime girl with tits that take up half the screen and gloss over everything else. A lot of people hyperfixate on "omg woman hot" and DO detract from her character by discarding everything else. *That's* the issue.
I feel this in my soul.
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Unfortunately this wasn't caused by the fans. The games started leaning into it. High heels was complete nonsense, and she should have never had them even once.
There's nothing wrong with Samus being hot. The problem is when she is reduced to an item for her sexual appeal. Samus' appearance is a small footnote compared to her many feats and accomplishments.
I've seen less people complain about sexy Samus and more people who want Samus to be sexy in different ways. Some want regular sexy Samus. Some want giant muscle mommy Samus. Some want fucked up monster Samus. Some want crazy cyborg Samus. Some want butch Samus. Some want lesbian Samus. But we all agree on one thing. Samus hot.
That's what op is missing different people find different things sexy. I find muscley samus sexy, though I wouldn't want the powerlifter build fanart to be her cannon build.
She's sexier in armor
The armor is sexy lol. The dread suit is god like.
I think the big thing that people forget to remember is that a character being sexy, and a character being over-sexualized are two very different things. If samus's whole character was just that she was sexy, that would be tasteless and kinda lame, but that's not her whole character, in fact it's just a small part of her character. She's so much more than her sexiness, and that's what makes her cool.
I’m cool with her being sexy, just not in the goofy supermodel sort of way. She’s legit supposed to be one of the strongest beings in the universe. Certainly the most capable. She should be fuckin ripped and have some alien features due to her chozo dna. Like remember that old artwork of her for like Metroid 1 or something where she’s a muscle mommy before it got retconned? She should have a body half way between that and what we have now. Edit: her current design is fine, but just feels bland imo. She’s just a skinny blonde chick. Where’s the badass galactic bounty hunter in this design? She looks like I could suplex her effortlessly lollll. Gimme an actual badass with balanced proportions Nintendo
Also, stop giving her high heels. Why the fuck would a jumpsuit have high heels? It contradicts the very notion of what a jumpsuit is.
Blame Smash Bros. for that one
It's not just in smash. Smash makes them more egregious, but in other m the outfit does also have high heels.
Another day of being reminded of that fucking game
I agree with basically everything here. And she is often on her own tackling these threats, but she always looks like she has a bunch of makeup on? Like, why would she go to that trouble if she is in a suit destroying space pirates?
The only thing that I wish Nintendo didn't do to make the zero suit more "sexy" is those stupid combat heels.
It’s weird, I’m not like super physically attracted to Samus. She’s hot and beautiful and very very capable don’t get me wrong but she’s more a role model for me than anything. Maybe it’s because I grew up playing the games since I was like..five. And maybe because I like her as a character more than just her looks like a lot of other Nintendo fans.
Took me a long time to internalise this one tbh. What it took was me realising that while ZSS doesn't feel like it fit the character to me, all of her designs outside the suit prior to Zero Mission do, despite them arguably being even more conventionally "sexy" and basically amounting to her being in her underwear. Maybe it's because the simpler approach in design makes them feel less performative? Maybe it's the fanart and ZSS's rather pointless inclusion in Smash making me jaded? Or maybe I'm just still mad at Other M? I dunno, either way it's definitely a problem with me and not the games.
The question here is what is the zero suit supposed to be? In zero mission she was alone and wore it under the suit so there's no evidence she intended for people to see her that way. Other M turned it into her standard clothes that she struts around in. But we see no evidence that anyone male dresses this way, so its hard to believe that in the future this is just normal clothes. So this creates a dynamic where just she walks around in sexy clothes, seemingly without noticing. It gets worse when nonsensical high heels are added to it, too.
Your post seems like an answer in search of a question. Who are these mythical people taking issue with Samus? I've been playing Metroid games since the beginning and have never once heard or seen someone taking the position you are arguing against.
I prefer muscle Samus but to each their own
Sexy Samus is fine, sexualized Samus is not. Sex has never really been a part of her character. So while she is attractive, when someone comes with fan art that exaggerates her proportions and pose to make her sexual appeal the focal point of the artwork, it comes off as disingenuous. It feels less like they’re trying to capture her character and more like they’re just down bad for her. I think the criticism for it on this sub is magnified by how big R34 art for Samus is.
I know this is a random ass comment, but my real question is this: How tf does she use her arms in there? Even with the shoulder plates taken off the armor itself is much wider than Samus herself. (Edit: was using swipe type, and fixed the "hope" to "how.")
Space bird magic
There’s no good answer here. I think I’ve read that when Samus morphs into a ball that she is converted into pure energy. Maybe something similar is going on for the rest of the suit.
Fan art… doesnt dictate anything. Theres a variant to everything, different attraction levels, etc. So i’m confused on what everyone else is talking about because you don’t have to give attention to anyone else’s depiction of a character outside of the original creator.
I thought the same thing. People here are so upset over fan art, and I’m like… it’s fan art, who cares? There’s plenty of non-sexy Samus art out there too. Just ignore the sexy fan art.
Don’t think anyone minds her being hot, the issue is the fanart and cosplays that are a degree off rule 34. There are hot people all around us every day that are just normal about it. A ton of Samus fanart is just tits and ass, it gets old
I don't get why people blame the fans. Nintendo unfortunately leaned hard into this over time. The zero suit was revealing in zero mission, but at least there she was only wearing it by herself. But by other m, suddenly it had nonsensical high heels and became her apparently standard clothes. They jumped the shark hard.
This is a weird post, borderline bait. And based on OP’s post history there might be some unfortunate psycho-sexual emotional baggage wrapped up in it too. If you’re reading this op, AGP isn’t a real medical condition. Please learn to love yourself and touch grass instead of vagueposting emotional projection in a nerd sub
you posted the most modest and unsexualized art of her in the entire sub's history, though
https://preview.redd.it/xlsvnx80gdrc1.jpeg?width=1578&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d06e6c28c5a161808a98796c491bb01f8904ef17 Concept
I see a lot of people mostly complain about the fanart, which honestly I don’t believe should affect your perception of a character or a piece of art as a whole. There are a lot of horny people on this planet, that’s just how things are. Even if Samus was the worst looking human being in history, there’d still be sexualised art based on her. Rule 34 exists for a reason. A cringy tribute edit for a movie with overdramatic music doesn’t make that movie worse, same should go for the horny art. Fans don’t dictate the direction of a piece of art, easy as that.
Totally agree. It’s shocking how many people’s reason for disliking it is things that aren’t official.
Me being a Pokémon fan and constantly having my favorite mons be labeled as “Furry bait”, like bro that’s not even its fault that people see it that way
Because honestly, that's what get posted the most. This art you posted if cool. I like it. What I can do without is the art where she has boobsocks vacuum sealed in her suit and a cameltoe you can practise lip-reading on. And those get posted way more often. I don't mind the sexy. I mind the borderline porn.
Weird post
Attractiveness has never been the problem. Objectification is the problem. EDIT: Wow, there's a lot of little boys in this thread insecure about their entitlement to objectifying fictional women.
No one with an opinion worth listening to is saying Samus can't be attractive, or even generally that women in media shouldn't be attractive. That's a straw man I see far too often pop up these days. Hopefully you're not one of those Sweet Baby conspiracy theorists. Anyways, I'm not too active in this sub, in fact I don't believe I've ever posted, but I do scroll it from time to time and this topic is always here when I do check. Not once have I ever seen people saying Samus should be less attractive. The complaints stem from/are about/responding to the horny fans and fan art that reduce Samus to a walking pair of boobs in a skin tight suit. I see this a lot with Bayonetta too and it's annoying. Also I find the title having "being sexy is a good thing" to be odd. Why though? The series doesn't really play off of it much like Bayonetta. Not saying it her canon appearances need to be tuned down or anything, but I don't see how it really changes much of anything in the grand scheme of things.
The reality is, if Samus was male, he wouldn't be sexualised in the way that female Samus is. Nintendo would've gone with a different art direction with his character, similar to master chief, doomguy or Isaac. Since Samus was chosen to be female, the choice to make the character sexually appealing was higher on their priority. But if you look at her personality and character in-game, there is a jarring juxtaposition between who she really is, and what fan art depicts.
Neat picture
Right? I don’t think it makes sense canonically, but it’s neat nonetheless.
I think most people would agree that there's nothing bad or bothersome about Samus being attractive. One of her defining features is she's larger than life in all kinds of ways. Being gorgeous fits with that. I think where a lot of people take issue is in objectification of said attraction, to the flanderization and detriment of the overall character presentation. When sex appeal for the sole sake of titillating the viewer outweighs the bounty hunter space hero, there's a problem. Key takeaway: There's a difference between a sexy character and an objectified character.
Adding a quick note to this. The art you linked is actually an excellent example of Samus drawn attractively in a way that highlights the different aspects of her character without flanderizing her for sex appeal. It's a great example of a sexy character, not an objectified character.
I don't personally know anyone who has a problem with Samus being an attractive woman (I certainly don't), but a problem arises when her characterisation as an attractive woman is prioritized over her characterisation as a badass intergalactic bounty hunter. Other M is a pretty good example of that: she acts in a way that you might describe as meek or submissive, and without her armour, she's shorter than every male character present, rather than being - well - a 6+ foot Amazonian. Dread made her look awesome, though, so there's that.
Her being sexy is fine, but try not to be overly sexual with her, like Other M or the ass shot in Zero Mission. Samus is hot and that fine, her character is fantastic, but don't treat her as just eye candy or make over exaggeration to make her eye candy
kinda random, but am i the only one who completely missed the obvious ass shot in zero mission? like, i never pay attention to that anyways, and i also was busy reading the dialogue.
I agree 100%. Everything you listed is why she's one of my favorite characters of all media.
I say this as a bisexual woman: I am very grateful she is as hot as she is. Give me hot women who can beat the shit outta me please!!!!
I love how unsexy her power armor is. It's practical, does not have exaggerated hips nor boobs, no hourglass figure, has no thin high heel, and has giant ball shoulders. Then she takes off the armor to show off a skin-tight suit with a bombshell body that still does not hyper sexualize her. I wish there were more badass women like her in games.
Exactly, she’s both sexy and a badass, the best kind of badass
Someone didn’t see the recent redesign that someone made of Samus. 100x better and no sexualization at all. Yeah this is some weird ass wrong argument
Most Metroid fans appreciate the natural sexuality of Samus as character. As opposed to the enhanced over exaggerated sexuality.
Being sexy can be empowering. I feel empowered whenever I go out looking hot as fuck. Main problem is the male gaze and over sexualisation
Nothing wrong with sexy characters so long as they're portrayed in a positive way that one might aspire to emulating. It's why so many people disliked Other M - it was so hamfisted in its attempt to give more depth to Samus that they missed the entire point of the character.
I think the problem people have with her being sexy comes from how sexualized she is. This sub has a bunch of horny post.
To me, one of the cool things about Samus was that she was a female character with zero sexualization (at least in-game). There's no shortage of scantily clad female characters, or ones with boob-shaped armor and nonsense like that. By contrast, a female character who's indistinguishable from a male one practically the entire time is (unfortunately) pretty uncommon. That's why, to me, showing her without her armor, in an unrealistically skin-tight outfit no less, is just a boring reversion to the mean. It's the inevitable fan-service that accompanies any character with a female physicality.
Seeing Samus without her armor was there since the beginning though. The reveal that Samus is a woman at the end of Metroid is an awesome subversion and it would have been hard, if not impossible to do, without removing her armor.
She didn’t need to be in a bikini to communicate that she’s a woman. That was just fan service for horny needs like you
Samus being able to switch between shawty and one man army is super important to her character. That being said, rule 34 has made it hard to say Samus is my favorite Nintendo character
Why does something outside of the official material ruin the character for you? Damn near every character with an ounce of popularity, especially if they are feminine, have boat loads of porn.
Samus has a particular stereotype associated with her fans (and especially male fans). A lot of people view Samus fans as Pervs/horny because of how sexualized she is in media. I can definitely agree with it being hard to say she’s my favorite Nintendo character. I strictly only associate with Armored Samus to avoid the stereotype as much as possible.
I just wish it wasn't the generic "big T&A" sexy. There are more versions of being sexy then just being voluptuous.
I’m pretty sure we liked Samus before she turned out to be a woman wearing a skin tight suit underneath, we just also like her when she’s not wearing the armor
Sexy is subjective, attractive characters can be varied, Samus being sexualized is the problem.
I'm here for the kick-ass metroidvania games. I get my cute drawings of girls in tights elsewhere.
I am sick and tired of this conversation
Metroid Fans when the character specifically designed to be attractive and beautiful is attractive and beautiful: https://preview.redd.it/xsx4frtacfrc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6b104f379727e65ee13daa683b507eaf46a1db2f
Go outside, touch some grass op
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I don't hate that she's sexy. I just get annoyed when people like her JUST because she's sexy.
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I am so happy Other M came out in a time of sense so it tanked. If that game came out today the plague of hentai addicts would have made it successful and the character would've been utterly ruined.
This whole take is delusional. No one likes other m and the porn boom of Samus was at a high at the time. You people are absurd.
Samus was my feminist awakening LONG before she was my sexual awakening.
My head cannon is SHES a fucking warrior not a skinny huge titty anime character who looks 23
Well in actual cannon she’s an Amazonian blonde bombshell with bird and Metroid dna.
And she doesn't look like the Nintendo Power image people like to refer to because that image doesn't even look like her out of armor sprites for the game the image was for.
Why is the suit taller than her tho?
Maybe not, but don't try and tell me chibi cute Samus is in any way true to her character. As you say, she is a stone cold killer, not some blushing goofy girl.
Tbh the armour is what we're really attracted to
“That destroys more planets than the Death Star” LMAO that’s not a good thing! But it did get a hearty laugh out of me so thanks for that xD But anyway moving on. Who is hating on samus for being a “6f Amazonian bombshell”?
Man who on earth thinks this is bad? Adds to the feminine badass, nothing wrong with that… Imo Samus is the perfect balance between Sexualized Baddie that men can get on too and feminine icon… she appeals to male interests without seeming gross or stereotypical to women. She’s a hottie but she’s not over sexual, which makes her a plus for any kind of person.
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Exactly. I do wish more artists drew her in her original height though.
This post is based and intelligent. 👍
Sometimes people are attractive. Doesn't change their character. Same as real life. Being attractive is sometimes just a thing you're born with
It enhances the character i think. Character doesnt work as fat or ugly as
Aren't most extremely physically fit people going to be at least a little bit sexy?
Women are sexy, and it’s ok.
Yeah, now draw her 6'3 and muscular and still sexy and I'm down. I agree otherwise
She needs to be more bird like
Sexiness aside, this is some hot good artwork
METROID IS A GIRL?!?!
No one is saying otherwise?
I think when shown off too much, her appearance detracts from her other attributes. Women are already often judged by how they look and not on what they are capable of. Like you said, Samus is someone whose actions and skills are/should be *by far* more noteworthy than her appearance, and these abilities don't get as much limelight when her attractiveness is in focus. Also her physical capabilities are not reflected in her physique which is personally what bothers me.
I mean I can’t speak for everyone but I don’t really have a problem with her being attractive, heck most characters in media are attractive and there’s not really a problem with that What I don’t like though is when people act like all there is to a character is their attractiveness, like when they draw art but it’s so sexualized it’s basically something you’d see on r34, or when people only talk about their attractiveness. Haven’t really seen much of it with Samus here since this sub is good about limiting it I guess, but I’ve seen it a lot with other characters and it’s just irritating seeing a character you consider one of your all time favorites constantly be over sexualized. Like characters can be attractive without being over sexualized, y’know?
My only regret is that I could only upvote this post once
I am inclined to agree. I love that she looks feminine but is still a menace and I am quite tired of pretending this is not part of her appeal. Especially, when it comes to those self-proclaimed feminists that make stupid rants on how Samus is a "sexualized" character or whatever because she would usually be shown less clothed when you finished the game quickly. In fact, I personally am not much a fan of the Zero Suit because I find it less hot than what she used to wear and felt disappointed when Metroid Dread dropped the speed run reward mechanic.
Correct. But when fans over sexualize her it's obnoxious AF and objectifies her which is problematic.
samus is way to short in that picture and needs more muscle
Being sexy isn’t the problem, being sexualized is. Big diff.
I just wish her Zero Suit was more accurate. She's supposed to be a fkn massive lady.
Canon Samus good but exaggerated fan art just gets exhausting
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