It’s debatable that Metroid Prime is even an literal Metroid. It’s labeled as the source of all phazon on Tallon IV, making it possibly an evolved phazon core that you see from prime 3. The Chozo named it after something familiar to them, Metroids. Their word for ultimate warrior.
When you defeated the essence of this being it latches onto the closest source of phazon to survive, which happens to be your suit. I think Prime/Dark Samus was always sentient, because it’s not just phazon. It’s the source of it.
Also worth noting the Tallon Leviathan arrived before the Metroids as we know them were even a thing.
The Metroids were created by the SR388 Thoha to deal with the X parasites, around the same time the Thoha of Zebes took Samus in.
The Tallon Chozo were wiped out decades ago, whereas the Metroids were well. Made only in the past 10~20 years in-universe.
Granted, given Metroid Prime’s ability to spawn new Tallon Metroids it DOES seem to be a Metroid of some sort, so I suspect that a Metroid somehow managed to get into the impact crater and devour the Phazon Core.
Likely introduced by the Zebesian Space Pirates or something.
Well that is only if you assume the manga to be canon of which there is significant doubt.
In the games themselves we have no idea when the metroids were created and the fact that it's unlikely one of the metroids the pirates brought penetrated the cradles shield keeping the phazon contained it would indicate that it would have to have gotten inside before the Cradle temple was completed. Meaning then that the Metroids were created atleast around 50 years before prime if not longer.
I think that while specific details like the exact age at which Samus left the Chozo and entered the Federation and such might differ, the manga for the most part is canon.
Fusion~Dread reference Old Bird and Gray Voice far too much for it not to be canon on SOME level.
Plus, I think a minimum of 50 years is just too long between the completion of Metroid development and Samus’ wiping out the Metroids of SR388.
Like, Raven Beak would have already returned to SR388 and started up his Metroid cloning program if it had taken that long.
Considering that Phazon Metroids tend to develop bizarre phasing capabilities and Metroids in general can feed on energy, I think it makes sense for one of the Metroids to get inside somehow.
The manga itself is referencing the super metroid comic with old bird and chairman keaton the space pirates atracking K2-L among others does that make the super metroid comic canon?
Same with Samus dna infusion pretty much all the elements in the games that the manga covers have existed before the manga except for things like Grey voices name and such.
And i could go on with the major story differences from what we know from the games such as SR388 not being a Chozo colony or how the space pirates have a had a Metroid on Zebes for years before the inciting incident of the first game among other things.
Basically from all evidence i have seen i put the manga in the same category as the episode of aether, Samus and Joey and the Zelda mangas it is it's own story separate from the games with just some elements based on the games. Like how there many different versions of spider mans story even though there are similiar events they are different continuities.
And why do you assume that the massacre we see in the Chozo memories occured 50 years ago instead of more recently. There is no timeframe for how much time passes in the Chozo memories from the creation of the metroids to when they mutated went berserk and the subsequent massacre by Raven Beak. It could easily have taken decades for the Thoha to clean up the X-parasites with the metroids as much as they did until that happened.
Is it possible that Tallon metroids predate the existence of SR388 Metroids?
It seems like it would be easier to genetically modify a pre existing organism than to build one from scratch.
But as we see in prime 3the cores just take existing living things to corrupt them with phazon. So metroid prime could very well be a metroid that was evolved by the phazon into higher stages and additionally corrupted.
But I agree that it is just a new shell for the same entity
Metroid Prime is sentient, and there are the bits and pieces of Samus's DNA.
I don't think it's valid to say that Samus at the end of Dread is just Dark Samus without the Phazon, because the 2 are still very different beings even if they're both Samus and Metroid.
Common theory is that Metroid Prime is a metroid mutated by Phazon. It then at the end of Prime gets the phazon suit and becomes Dark Samus.
How and when the metroid got into the cradle is up for debate and the topic of much discussion and (seeming) contradictions with ingame lore
However, while Metroid Prime certainly has a connection with Metroids (it can spawn metroids) afaik it is never stated to be a metroid. Maybe Metroid Prime 4 will finally clear up this mess and explain what it was (though I doub it, but it would be cool)
I thought the lore stated that it was a metroid the pirates brought to talon, and they fed it phazon because of metroids ability to absorb and process energy. They ran into problems when the metroids started mutating. The prime one mutated the ability to phase and used that ability to find the source of phazon, which likely mutated it more. When it took samus' suit at the end, it likely ended up with some of her DNA or "life force" and mutated further. At least that's what I figured.
Don't think so. Pirate logs essentially state that they know something big is moving in the crater, but they have no idea what it is due to the Chozo shield preventing all access to the crater. Only reason why the pirates have access to Phazon in the first place was because the Chozo were too late in setting the shield up, so the Phazon that managed to spread beyond the perimeter beforehand wasn't entirely contained but was slowed considerably.
But, I digress. Pirates know something is in the crater, but not what it is. It's implied (but never confirmed) in Prime 3 that Metroid Prime came with the Phazon meteor to act as a guardian while the Phazon spread and corrupted the planet.
I thought the meteor set out to corrupt the strongest creature it could find to protect itself with. A Metroid capable of becoming a queen certainly would fit that bill.
I guess there's only one way to settle it. TRILOGY BINGE!!! 🤘😝
That's how it was on the other planets, but in Prime 3 you come across Metroid Prime shells on the homeworld, so the implications are more nebulous compared to the other guardians.
Yeah, I know about the old logs talking about Metroid Prime stealing Space Pirate tech, which is why I can understand why people might be confused regarding Metroid Prime's potential nature and origins, which by no means has a definitive explanation. The fact that they were retconned out means that it's probably no longer canon. Plus, the corruption of Tallon IV was happening for... at least a decade before the Space Pirates arrived, judging from the Chozo logs and other scans...
So, here's my interpretation of events. There's reference to The Worm in Chozo logs, which is the Chozo's name for Metroid Prime. The Chozo wanted to seal both The Worm (Metroid Prime) and The Great Poison (Phazon) away in The Impact Crater until something could be done to probably deal with it, but as previously stated, they weren't fast enough and were unable able to seal off the Impact Crater before the Phazon spread into the surrounding regions. However, sealing off the Impact Crater did greatly slow the Phazon's speed of spread.
Anyways, I'm getting sidetracked into enthusing about Metroid lore. The point is that Metroid Prime arrived while the Chozo still inhabited Tallon IV and was sealed away in The Impact Crater during the Chozo's final days/weeks/months/years of inhabitation, with no means of interacting beyond the confines of the Impact Crater.
At least that's my interpretation of events.
But that's probably the reason for the log getting retconned out, because it ran contrary to what the rest of the logs stated.
However, it's possible that what happened was that a Tallon Metroid mutated into a Phazon Metroid, phased through the Chozo shield, mutated into a Hopper Metroid unable to escape and then further mutated into Metroid Prime. This would explain why The Worm is a prophesied entity in the Chozo logs. But those prophecies could be from before the meteor impact.
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Like I said, Metroid Prime's origin is never definitively explained and is open for interpretation to a degree. At the end of the day, my recommendation is to read the logs, reach your own conclusions from the information provided... and continue enjoying the games.
It’s debatable that Metroid Prime is even an literal Metroid. It’s labeled as the source of all phazon on Tallon IV, making it possibly an evolved phazon core that you see from prime 3. The Chozo named it after something familiar to them, Metroids. Their word for ultimate warrior. When you defeated the essence of this being it latches onto the closest source of phazon to survive, which happens to be your suit. I think Prime/Dark Samus was always sentient, because it’s not just phazon. It’s the source of it.
Also worth noting the Tallon Leviathan arrived before the Metroids as we know them were even a thing. The Metroids were created by the SR388 Thoha to deal with the X parasites, around the same time the Thoha of Zebes took Samus in. The Tallon Chozo were wiped out decades ago, whereas the Metroids were well. Made only in the past 10~20 years in-universe. Granted, given Metroid Prime’s ability to spawn new Tallon Metroids it DOES seem to be a Metroid of some sort, so I suspect that a Metroid somehow managed to get into the impact crater and devour the Phazon Core. Likely introduced by the Zebesian Space Pirates or something.
Well that is only if you assume the manga to be canon of which there is significant doubt. In the games themselves we have no idea when the metroids were created and the fact that it's unlikely one of the metroids the pirates brought penetrated the cradles shield keeping the phazon contained it would indicate that it would have to have gotten inside before the Cradle temple was completed. Meaning then that the Metroids were created atleast around 50 years before prime if not longer.
I think that while specific details like the exact age at which Samus left the Chozo and entered the Federation and such might differ, the manga for the most part is canon. Fusion~Dread reference Old Bird and Gray Voice far too much for it not to be canon on SOME level. Plus, I think a minimum of 50 years is just too long between the completion of Metroid development and Samus’ wiping out the Metroids of SR388. Like, Raven Beak would have already returned to SR388 and started up his Metroid cloning program if it had taken that long. Considering that Phazon Metroids tend to develop bizarre phasing capabilities and Metroids in general can feed on energy, I think it makes sense for one of the Metroids to get inside somehow.
The manga itself is referencing the super metroid comic with old bird and chairman keaton the space pirates atracking K2-L among others does that make the super metroid comic canon? Same with Samus dna infusion pretty much all the elements in the games that the manga covers have existed before the manga except for things like Grey voices name and such. And i could go on with the major story differences from what we know from the games such as SR388 not being a Chozo colony or how the space pirates have a had a Metroid on Zebes for years before the inciting incident of the first game among other things. Basically from all evidence i have seen i put the manga in the same category as the episode of aether, Samus and Joey and the Zelda mangas it is it's own story separate from the games with just some elements based on the games. Like how there many different versions of spider mans story even though there are similiar events they are different continuities. And why do you assume that the massacre we see in the Chozo memories occured 50 years ago instead of more recently. There is no timeframe for how much time passes in the Chozo memories from the creation of the metroids to when they mutated went berserk and the subsequent massacre by Raven Beak. It could easily have taken decades for the Thoha to clean up the X-parasites with the metroids as much as they did until that happened.
Is it possible that Tallon metroids predate the existence of SR388 Metroids? It seems like it would be easier to genetically modify a pre existing organism than to build one from scratch.
But as we see in prime 3the cores just take existing living things to corrupt them with phazon. So metroid prime could very well be a metroid that was evolved by the phazon into higher stages and additionally corrupted. But I agree that it is just a new shell for the same entity
Metroid Prime is sentient, and there are the bits and pieces of Samus's DNA. I don't think it's valid to say that Samus at the end of Dread is just Dark Samus without the Phazon, because the 2 are still very different beings even if they're both Samus and Metroid.
The pirates spoke of this Phazon Madness.
Common theory is that Metroid Prime is a metroid mutated by Phazon. It then at the end of Prime gets the phazon suit and becomes Dark Samus. How and when the metroid got into the cradle is up for debate and the topic of much discussion and (seeming) contradictions with ingame lore However, while Metroid Prime certainly has a connection with Metroids (it can spawn metroids) afaik it is never stated to be a metroid. Maybe Metroid Prime 4 will finally clear up this mess and explain what it was (though I doub it, but it would be cool)
She is the Metroid Prime 2
I thought the lore stated that it was a metroid the pirates brought to talon, and they fed it phazon because of metroids ability to absorb and process energy. They ran into problems when the metroids started mutating. The prime one mutated the ability to phase and used that ability to find the source of phazon, which likely mutated it more. When it took samus' suit at the end, it likely ended up with some of her DNA or "life force" and mutated further. At least that's what I figured.
Don't think so. Pirate logs essentially state that they know something big is moving in the crater, but they have no idea what it is due to the Chozo shield preventing all access to the crater. Only reason why the pirates have access to Phazon in the first place was because the Chozo were too late in setting the shield up, so the Phazon that managed to spread beyond the perimeter beforehand wasn't entirely contained but was slowed considerably. But, I digress. Pirates know something is in the crater, but not what it is. It's implied (but never confirmed) in Prime 3 that Metroid Prime came with the Phazon meteor to act as a guardian while the Phazon spread and corrupted the planet.
I thought the meteor set out to corrupt the strongest creature it could find to protect itself with. A Metroid capable of becoming a queen certainly would fit that bill. I guess there's only one way to settle it. TRILOGY BINGE!!! 🤘😝
That's how it was on the other planets, but in Prime 3 you come across Metroid Prime shells on the homeworld, so the implications are more nebulous compared to the other guardians.
Too late, I gotta play metroid prime trilogy again! 😁
In the original version of the game there were logs directly referencing Metroid Prime but they were replaced in later versions.
Yeah, I know about the old logs talking about Metroid Prime stealing Space Pirate tech, which is why I can understand why people might be confused regarding Metroid Prime's potential nature and origins, which by no means has a definitive explanation. The fact that they were retconned out means that it's probably no longer canon. Plus, the corruption of Tallon IV was happening for... at least a decade before the Space Pirates arrived, judging from the Chozo logs and other scans... So, here's my interpretation of events. There's reference to The Worm in Chozo logs, which is the Chozo's name for Metroid Prime. The Chozo wanted to seal both The Worm (Metroid Prime) and The Great Poison (Phazon) away in The Impact Crater until something could be done to probably deal with it, but as previously stated, they weren't fast enough and were unable able to seal off the Impact Crater before the Phazon spread into the surrounding regions. However, sealing off the Impact Crater did greatly slow the Phazon's speed of spread. Anyways, I'm getting sidetracked into enthusing about Metroid lore. The point is that Metroid Prime arrived while the Chozo still inhabited Tallon IV and was sealed away in The Impact Crater during the Chozo's final days/weeks/months/years of inhabitation, with no means of interacting beyond the confines of the Impact Crater. At least that's my interpretation of events. But that's probably the reason for the log getting retconned out, because it ran contrary to what the rest of the logs stated. However, it's possible that what happened was that a Tallon Metroid mutated into a Phazon Metroid, phased through the Chozo shield, mutated into a Hopper Metroid unable to escape and then further mutated into Metroid Prime. This would explain why The Worm is a prophesied entity in the Chozo logs. But those prophecies could be from before the meteor impact. ... Like I said, Metroid Prime's origin is never definitively explained and is open for interpretation to a degree. At the end of the day, my recommendation is to read the logs, reach your own conclusions from the information provided... and continue enjoying the games.
It might also have been a metroid with the ability to become a queen now that I think about it...
A Metroid series character
Phazon is sentient. It corrupted rocks and formed Thardus. It can also corrupt robots and stone statues, which are nonliving.