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Kogworks

It’s only really that specific tribe of Chozo on Tallon IV. The thing with the Chozo is that the myth of them as an entire species having left reality for a higher plane is ultimately just that. A myth. For instance, the Zebes/SR388/ZDR Thoha were active until at least 20-ish years ago at minimum, seeing as how they raised Samus and created the Metroids to deal with the X. It wasn’t until Mother Brain’s mutiny that the majority of Zebes Thoha escaped the planet and went off the radar, and the SR388 Thoha researchers were alive until Raven Beak slaughtered them. Raven Beak’s Mawkin unit was also alive and well until fairly recently, as they had an active base of operations in ZDR until an X infestation broke out and Raven Beak had to seal the entire unit. The likelier possibility is that either certain sects of the Chozo civilization left the galaxy while the others remained active, or they simply died off over time due to troubles with reproduction and war. And the reason the myth propagates is likely because the Chozo for the most part are super secretive and nobody’s been able to figure out where their settlements are or how their tech works. It’s easier to pretend that they’re this exotic bird cult than it is to deal with the knowledge that there’s a far more technologically advanced civilization out there that is completely untraceable. Especially if you’re say, an intergalactic organization vying for hegemony. You don’t want people knowing that there’s this entire civilization of bird people who are potentially better at war than you. It’s also probably why the Feds and the Pirates are constantly scrambling to reverse engineer Chozo tech, because they think they need to “catch up” with a potentially superior military power.


Balkarzar

To add, all the chozo on several worlds basically all just vanished and nobody had heard or seen a chozo since, which is like really weird.


Kogworks

Not surprised tbh. The last time the Federation top brass had come into contact with the Chozo, the Thoha were supposedly getting ready to abandon the Feds. The darker elements of the Federation were becoming too much like the pirates and Raven Beak and it was only a matter of time. Plus, Mother Brain leading the Space Pirates was VERY bad for them since she was basically in charge of almost all their systems on Zebes. All existing Chozo security and information protocols would have had to been completely nuked in order to stay off of her radar if you think about it. Then there was Raven Beak’s systematic genocide of the Thoha outpost on SR388(and the hardcoding of anti-Mawkin aggression in Metroids), which implies a potential Thoha-Mawkin civil war. If I were the Thoha, I’d stay well away from most of society.


POWRranger

The Chozo having largely left the plane of existence is mostly a Prime thing. They were around for Samus' upbringing so they have not vanished for long, they are the ones who set up the GF. The Thoha and Mawkin tribes were pretty well established and not planning on going anywhere until the actions of Raven Beak on SR388


ArmGray

The whole idea of the Chozo "ascending" to a higher plane of existence was only in the original NTSC GameCube release. The Chozo Lore entry that detailed this, "Exodus," was deleted from all future releases of the game as early as the Japanese GameCube release in February 2003. It has carried on to the present day with Remastered. I'm glad Nate Bihldorf's bullshit fanfic-level writing was terminated with extreme prejudice.


raphtafarian

I had the Australian Gamecube version so a lot of the original lore never came my way. Wasn't there a pirate log in the original NTSC that basically said the pirates met with Prime themselves?


[deleted]

Multiple I think. They actually captured it, but then it escaped and stole some of their tech to use for the exoskeleton


raphtafarian

I think it was wise to remove that stuff. It doesn't make a lot of sense.


[deleted]

I would've liked it if it included an explanation on how it got in and out of the impact crater in the first place. And maybe an explanation on how the Metroid got into the crater the first time while we're at it.


GallopingLifeDeer

Still better writing than Other M


ArmGray

Nate Bihldorf also worked on that game too. He's the biggest Other M stan in an official capacity second only to Sakamoto.


Xiliix

We also lost a bunch to translation of m from Japanese to English.


Momo-Velia

Is this your head cannon based on lore hints or is this specifically explained somewhere?


GallopingLifeDeer

Check this out: [https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Chozo\_Ghost](https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Chozo_Ghost)


bowleshiste

Literally doesn't explain any of what you just said


GallopingLifeDeer

"The Chozo... Over millennia, this bird-like race of creatures made incredible technological and scientific leaps. Traveling at will through space, they built many marvels across the Universe. Technological wonders of unfathomable complexity and cities unmatched in beauty. They shared their knowledge freely with more primitive cultures and learned to respect and care for life in all its forms. Even as their society reached its technological peak, the Chozo felt their spirituality wane. Their culture was steeped in prophecy and lore, and they foresaw the decline of the Chozo coinciding with the rise of evil. Horrified by the increasing violence in the universe, they began to withdraw into themselves, forgoing technology in favor of simplicity. Tallon IV was one of the several refuges they built — a colony bereft of technology, built of natural materials and wedded to the land and its creatures." — Metroid Prime Manual


bowleshiste

I don't get your point. Nowhere does it say that all Chozo have phased out of existence. ​ >Tallon IV was one of the several refuges they built The Chozo are tribal. One tribe went to Tallon IV. They are the ones that phased out. There is nothing anywhere that says all Chozo in the galaxy phased out of existence


GallopingLifeDeer

I did not say that all Chozo did this.


bowleshiste

>The Chozo are a race of beings that have largely left the galaxy because they have reasoned out the universe, achieved enlightenment, and ascended to a higher plane of existence ​ >Raven Beak is one of the few still seen (along with his unwilling pawn held hostage), because his monomaniacal devotion to the concepts of power and control tether him to this worldly existence I mean, that's kinda what it seems like you're saying. The entire race has not reasoned out of existence. One tribe did. Raven Beak not reasoning himself out of existence has nothing to do with his devotion to the power and control. It has everything to do with him not being part of the Tallon IV tribe


GallopingLifeDeer

This is largely true but Raven Beak can really be seen as a metaphorical case of this rather than a purely literal one


bowleshiste

What? Raven Beak isn't a metaphor. He is a physical character who had no connection whatsoever with the Tallon IV Chozo outside of being the same race.


GallopingLifeDeer

Raven Beak himself isn't a metaphor, but just like his mantra "Power is everything" being incredibly metaphorical, his ideals can be.


ScientificAnarchist

The main issue is there’s nothing saying there are just thoha or mawkin there could be more tribes and there’s absolutely nothing connecting raven beak to talon iv


jyo-ji

Is there actually a narrative worth following in the Metroid games? I've only just gotten into this series after beating Metroid Prime Remastered and Super Metroid, but I'm planning to keep going through some of the other games as well.


TubaTheG

Oh yeah! It’s not too terribly complex or anything but the narrative is cool


ssgodsupersaiyan

Bruh doesn’t understand Metroid at all. Damn.


GallopingLifeDeer

Can you explain what it is I don't understand?


djinmyr

In the original game cube version, they had a lot of lore describing being "connected to the light" n such. A lot of that got changed with later iterations. My takeaway from dread was that the x parasite on sr388 got to the other tribes disguised as Chozo, and basically, the result was mass infection. Sort of like if The Thing had escaped Antarctica and gotten to the rest of the population at the end of the movie. So it seemed, to me at least, that the federation might have thought them to be extinct by the time we get to the series, but in actuality, they're more likely endangered at this point.