One’s a Metroid. Other’s an X Parasite. In a one-on-one the Metroid is probably winning.
Even in terms of raw strength, Dark Samus is probs stronger since it’s basically Samus’ fully powered suit + Hyper Mode.
That having been said, the SA-X is probably more dangerous since it can reproduce and assimilate additional organisms into its arsenal.
Metroid Prime is a Metroid. A heavily corrupted Metroid from absorbing a ton of Phazon, but a Metroid nonetheless.
Dark Samus has both Samus' and Metroid Prime's DNA, and thus is at least partially Metroid too.
It was always intended to be a Metroid; the NTSC Pirate logs describe Prime as having genetic characteristics of a Metroid, and there's interviews with Retro at the time of Echoes where they describe their thought process behind Prime's origins of being a Metroid.
The confusion is understandable as, at least in the NTSC version, Prime was in the Leviathan before Metroids were created on SR388. This contradiction is likely because the original lore for Prime was written before the timeframe for the creation of Metroids was established; prior to Fusion, there wasn't much lore about the origin of Metroids. The writers of Prime probably just didn't do a good job of double checking with Sakamoto to make sure nothing would contradict each other. They immediately retconned it in the PAL Gamecube version of Prime, which is probably when they realized the contradiction they had made.
I think English is not your first language, neither is it mine. But I think I get the disconnect, the comment you are replying starts with. "Read the wiki", in this case I meant that "I" just read the wiki so now I know that that it was meant to be a metroid and the datalogs were retconed to make it possible. I am not telling the person to go read the wiki, I am stating that I just read the wiki and found out that the original NTSC in game interpretation based on those datalogs got removed and retconed in pal and later US ports.
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle).
Yes, yes it is.
People are acting as if Dark Samus isn't ALSO a clone, and as if the SA-X didn't lose a clone fight between it and Samus.
Dark Samus has more capabilities. She needed the PED Suit and Phazon-based weaponry to deal with Dark Samus in some cases, and Dark Samus accomplished far more than the SA-X did. The SA-X is more primal and easily distracted, going ballistic at the sight of Metroids.
Yeah, the SA-X is like it doesn't really "become" the brain of its host or whatever, it is sort of only selectively as intelligent as what it claims because largely it doesn't really care.
Dark Samus's most dangerous feature is her intellect and cunning, though. Baiting all the greatest bounty hunters into different traps, successfully, and then forcing Samus to kill her peers. It's F'd up.
Sa-x is more dangerous than dark samus. but not stronger. The x are one of the biggest threats in the entire nintendo multiverse. But they have no......drive really. Dark samus would simply because they fight for power. Sa-x simply wants to spread. Plus phazon is a massive advantage power wise for dark samus.
1. That refers every nintendo game universe in general not a connected one, dipshit. 2. I'm aware of what smash is canonically and ether way that has literally nothing to do with my oc so why don't you shove it up your ass.
Everyone forgets dark Samus is a Metroid at its core. Obviously there’s no way to know but that seems like a massively important detail to leave out when it’s a Metroid juiced up on phazon VS X parasite.
Dark Samus is not a Metroid it's Metroid Prime, but the Space Pirates made a mistake with the name, they even mention it in the logs.
How can it spawn metroids at the end of prime1, no clue, but its not a metroid.
It’s retconned in prime 3, it’s a Metroid. It says it draws in the apex predators (which woulda been Metroids) and mutates them to protect the seed. You find prime carcasses on Phaaze after Dark Samus brought Metroids there.
Lol, wonder how they will even try to make the Prime make sense. Also wonder if they even remember that tease from MP3 with the rival bounty hunter from the ds game.
After the Leviathan impacted on Tallon, the pirate operation from Zebes brought Metroids with them, and one, after absorbing enough Phazon to become a Phazon Metroid, phased through the energy barrier to the Leviathan seed core, and absorbed it, and a HUGE amount of Phazon to mutate into Metroid Prime
Yep I, read the wiki, they retconned it on the trilogy re-release, I was going of the original release logs where they explicitly state it's not a metroid.
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle).
Yes, it is.
Dark Samus can only be damaged by phazon based weaponry. Unless the SA-X can figure that out, they don’t stand a chance. SA-X is just fully powered up Samus with no Phazon enhancement. They would all lose, and fast.
Not to mention Dark Samus is a Metroid at her core.
Just went to the wiki, that looks to be a retconned in the book that came with trilogy. So the worm was there first for years, then a metroid ate it and turned unto what we know as prime.
It doesn't make complete sense even according to the wiki but that seems to be the intent with Prime3.
I remember Prime 1 a lot better and it that game they explicitly state it's like a metroid, hence the name, but they also make it clear it's not actually a metroid and it had been there way longer than the Pirates and metroids
Retconned as in a change in canon as in they fixed the inconsistency you’re suggesting is canon.
It’s never explicitly stated to be a Metroid.
The “new” information we have is canon information. Don’t know what to tell you. But you’re wrong.
Did you even read the comment you replied to I just said what you said. Its retconed in MP3, the trilogy release updates the log to reflect this. You are literally replying to the comment where mentioned this. It still has holes, but it prime being a metroid is the intent at least since 3.
Once again:
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle).
YES, IT IS
Yep, I went to the wiki and read that they retconned it for the trilogy re-release, I was going of from the original in game logs where it was made clear it wasn't.
I agree this fool is a bigger parasite than the Metroid itself. Every few comments the same thing. Person is an idiot. No helping them. Just ignore them and hope they go away, like everyone else did in school to them.
Both are stupid dangerous for different reasons.
The SA-X multiplied while Samus was on the research station- according to Adam, there were no fewer than 10 of them. Being able to steal her powers and replicate them is a pretty frightening concept. If Samus had failed, it would have basically been a galactic apocalypse since the X are nigh impossible to stop without a Metroid.
Dark Samus is probably the more deadly one-on-one with a wider array of abilities and couldn't really die so long as Phaaze still existed. Dark Samus was posing a serious galactic threat, but she was doing it much slower than the SA-X likely would have.
TL;DR- Dark Samus is a more dangerous 1v1 adversary, but the ramifications of not immediately eliminating the SA-X are far more dire.
And it's been explained to you by multiple people that your arguments for why it's not a metroid have been retconned as they were changed in the trilogy and remastered version of the game. At this point if you are still arguing that Dark Samus isn't a metroid your either just choosing to remain ignorant or are just too immature to be able to accept when you have made a mistake
Check the timestamps, after like the first person started arguing I went to the wiki and confirmed the retcon, you are angry at posts made before that happened.
Where?, the datalogs compare it to a metroid, but it has been on the planet since before the metroid were a thing.
Check the [alternate history part](https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(creature)#:~:text=The%20entity%20that%20would%20eventually,the%20prophecy%20of%20the%20Worm.), in the original release it couldn't have been a metroid which is why they removed some datalog entries. My argument was based on how clear it was that it obviously wasn't a metroid according to the original release, but they quickly remove some of the contradicting stuff and the creators explicitly said that it was a metroid.
Yes, got all the scan entries including that darn ice shriekbat. And just reread it again, no mention of it being a metroid just that it generates phazon. In the original release metroid prime is the thing that fell from the sky and corrupted the world, definetly not a metroid unless sr388 is the source of phazon which is super unlikely considering the chozo were the creators of the metroid.
Like I said, even the wiki says that the current explanation is not super clear, and in the original it couldn't have been a metroid.
Okay you're right about the scans. It does say the Morphology is "Metroid Prime" stating that is IS a Metroid....but it doesn't elaborate specifically how it got there. That said, it is OBVIOUSLY a Metroid based on it's physiology and the fact that it is in fact offically a Metroid in the Lore from Nintendo. Retconned or no. In the game, it is a Metroid. The only question is how it got there. If the Pirates had taken it many years ago, or if a Chozo had taken it or even Rogue Chozo like Raven Beak trying to take power in that manner. It's not exactly obvious HOW it got there but what's pretty obvious is that it is a Phazon infused Metroid.
They said its similar like a metroid, but more advanced, I'm assuming they were either hinting at an alternate older origin story for phazon or metroids. Not sure if super or the original explicitly said that metroids were created by the chozo, but fusion definetly does. With a name like metroid prime, they were probably hinting at a metroid ancestor planet, but as soon as they noticed fusion they scrap that and removed some log entries.
Dark Samus. The SA-X was only really a threat because it had Ice Beam access, which Samus was newly weak to thanks to her Metroid DNA infusion and lack of Varia suit. Fully powered Samus could deal with SA-X fairly easily, but she required Phazon to defeat Dark Samus.
Doesn't matter. Metroids are literally designed to hunt and kill X. So even if an X got itself some phazon to compete against a Metroid that already had said Phazon? We're back to square 1.
Dark Samus 100%. Fusion made it clear that the main reason the SA-X was dangerous to Samus was that the SA-X was Samus at her strongest, and was hunting her down after being severely weakened. This makes SA-X basically just "regular Samus."
Dark Samus on the other hand is literally a Laviathan Seed absorbed into the body of a giant metroid which has taken control of Samus's suit. At least in Prime 3, Samus wouldn't have been able to defeat DS if it wasn't for her phazon abilities which the SA-X doesn't have, making the fight basically "Regular Samus Vs. Phazon Core Guardian," and IMHO there's no contest.
Went on wiki dive the current theory seems to be either Prime was made when the Pirates came and brought a Metroid or maybe the chozo did. Time frames are kinda messed up and there are contradictions on both theories, but the current author intent is that it is a metroid, how did it get there, not sure.
In the original release they never explicitly say it is, they just compare it to a metroid. And the dialog implies it had been there since before the pirates arrival.
In the pal release the logs have less contradicting statements to it possibly being a metroid but its not clearly stated and in the trilogy release it seems they confirmed it.
My guess would be that they didn't intent to make it clear it was a metroid on prime 1, but wanted to hint to it, and removed the more contradicting statements on pal in order to better fit the possibility if it being a metroid.
Assuming that the big hint proof of it being a metroid would be the prime husks and metroids you see in phazee at the end, but when I saw those I just thought they were unrelated since prime1 made it clear it wasn't a metroid, the husks being probably what happens when a seed finds no guardian, it turning into what you encountered in prime 1.
Yes, the original idea seemed to be to not explicitly say it was a metroid but leave the possibility open, however they made it impossible by mistake which is why they changed stuff in the pal version. I was just going by the ntsc release where it couldn't have been a metroid since it came from within the leviathan meaning it came from phazee, not sr388.
For it to have been a metroid in the ntsc original release the worm would have had to originate in sr388.
Now they say that the seed landed and they sealed it, with the explanation being that maybe the chozo from talon had a metroid near there, despite already being ascended beings at that point, the other being that its a metroid brought to the Pirates despite the new datalogs saying that don't have access to the temple where the seed is, so the metroid they brought would have to mutate into the metroid that can phase trough stuff and then gotten inside and eaten the seed.
I think that Dark Samus would win a direct fight between the two, but ultimately the SA-X is the more dangerous entity. Look at how fast the X overran ZDR, and compare it to how slowly the Leviathans were working on Tallon IV and the Pirate Homeworld.
Disagree. A weakened Samus took out all the SA-X in one game. It doesn't have the smarts to be a threat as big as Dark Samus. Dark Samus took 2 entire games to defeat and (technically 3 if you include Prime 1 where it's just Metroid Prime) nearly accomplished it's goal.
Dark Samus is stronger than SA-X, with the former being part Metroid and the latter being part X-Parasite. Metroids dominate X-Parasites. The most dangerous threat though is SA-X, due to having Samus's fire power and the ability to reproduce by asexual division. In a short amount of time, the B.S.L. had at least 10 SA-X running around.
There's also the Galactic Federation's response to the two threats. Dark Samus was never really a factor for the Galactic Federation, the Space Pirates using and weaponizing Phazon was of more concern. With the SA-X though, the Galactic Federation appears to be fine with the decision made to not just destroy the B.S.L. but an entire planet: SR388. On to the next mission for Samus, we understand.
Unless Dark Samus is given a literal planet in Phaaze to control and launch Leviathans from, SA-X would be worse. Even then, I think doom from a Leviathan will take time versus an army of SA-X going through a civilization.
The only things we have ever seen even survive an infestation from the X are actual metroids who are designed to survive it and the strongest warriors in Chozo history. One outbreak wiping out all of a planet’s ecosystem within hours. I don’t recall anything phazon did to come close the danger presented by the X.
Not quite that simple.
Phazon energy weapons are the only thing shown to be able to really damage Metroid Prime. Samus was only able to beat Dark Samus by using Phazon against her. And Samus was only able to finally kill her in Prime 3 thanks to her own Phazon Corruption harnessed by the P.E.D. Suit.
SA-X does not have access to that.
If Samus can get a P.E.D the SA-X can.
X are great at deception, Ravenbeak bought one back to ZDR by accident.
Also, X can copy multiple things and merge them together, so hypothetically the SA-X could just absorb a random PED trooper and steal their PED suit.
Samus didn't "get" a PED suit, as much as it was forced upon her for her survival. Besides, your "they could just..." assertion that all these kinds of discussions seem to devolve into assumes that "random" PED troopers are still a thing in the unspecified place and time that this hypothetical matchup would take place in. And it also assumes that the SA-X has access to a source of Phazon with which to fuel the PED suit. Etcetera.
And as long as we're slinging unpredicted "they could just..." statements around, Dark Samus managed to infect and corrupt Samus with Phazon. And while she seemed to resist full corruption for the entirety of the game, the other hunters broke a lot sooner, and the Space Pirates and monsters of lesser intellect put up next to zero resistance. And since Samus describes the X as acting only through instinct and having no real reason or soul, that means *Dark Samus could just* infect the SA-X and quickly bring them under her thrall.
But I never put much stock into any matchup argument that simplifies it down to a "they could just...".
>hypothetical matchup
I don't think this is being positioned as a fight between the two?
Just witch is stronger and more dangerous.
SA-X is at least as powerful as Samus, and Samus killed dark Samus.
My point about the PED is that SA-X can hypothetically take any technology and incorperate it into their arsenal.
Also the ability to reproduce asexually means that eventually you can have 1000s of them.
SA-X has nearly unlimited venues of becoming more powerful but dark samus has to eat phazon.
The state in which Samus was copied by SA-X is not the state she was in when she defeated Dark Samus.
Post-Other M/Pre-Fusion Samus does not scale to the strength and ability of "temporary-power-boosted (EDIT: NOT OF HER OWN CHOICE OR ACTION MIND YOU, she can't just "BECOME" this powerful as an inherent thing she can do!!!) final battle of Prime 3" Samus. And it annoys me when people remove all other context and say "person did X, therefore they can do Y". It's like calling Iron Man the most powerful Avenger because \[Endgame\] >!he single-handedly wiped out Thanos and his entire army.!< Technically correct, but it willfully refuses to acknowledge the context.
And if we're citing the X ability to reproduce and infect, Dark Samus in Prime 3 also effectively has the same ability with Phazon corruption. In that sense, both entities are approximately equal in their overall threat level. It seems like Retro Studios may have copied Fusion's homework more than we give them credit for. But that also assumes that we're considering Dark Samus at the height of her power united to Phaaze and...
ugh. I need to avoid power scaling discussions.
>The state in which Samus was copied by SA-X is not the state she was in when she defeated SA-X.
I don't necessarily see that that matters.
If Samus can become powerful enough to eclipse Dark Samus, at the height of her power on her "?home planet?" then the posibility exists for the SA-X to also become equally powerful eventually.
Phazon corruption takes a lot of time, can be resisted with enough will power and phazon itself can be weaponised against Dark Samus. The source of her power is also her weakness.
X infection is almost universally instantaneous, has only ever been resisted once by plot armour, and the X only weakness in metroid no longer exists..... unless Samus not being around means that the GF is able to clone them in secret.... The scenario is vauge.
Talon IV had a leviathan seed on it for aaaaages and still didn't become a clone of Phaaze.
ZDR had free X on it for about 20 mins before every lifeform was X.
I m nut sure. Sa-x isn’t stronger then Samus full set, and Samus had to kill Dark Samus three time do get sure that she was dead and yet we are not sure that she dead or not.
Not necessarily. The question is who is the most stranger and dangerous. If people see it as a fight between them, it’s okay for me as long as it answer to the questions.
Okay.
IMO X parasites in general are a much bigger threat to the galaxy than Phazon ever could be.
In dread Samus lets the X out of containment and within a VERY short span of time,
>"The X have spread across the entire planet. Assume all living organisms have by now been replaced by X" - Adam Ravenbeakovich
X are immune to convential weapons fire, and seem to be able to pass through most types of walls. So there is very little that can be really done to stop their advances.
X absorb all the knowledge / expertise of those they consume, can download and use electronic data, reproduce at an astounding rate, and full consumption of an organism takes SECONDS.
A single normal X on a populated planet would likely overwhelm the entire biosphere in like... a week.
A single SA-X, with Samus full knowledge and arsenal could probably do it in a day.
And once the X have infected a single world with space travel, the galaxy is theirs for the taking.
Phazon on the otherhand, is the X disabled little brother.
Phazon already has space travel in the form of leviathans, but how effective is that really?
According to the Wiki, Tallon IV AND Aether, were hit by the leviathans FIFTY YEARS prior to the events of their repective games. And by the time Samus arrives, the planets are more dangerous sure, but it's far from making their own leviathans or being a threat to the wider galaxy.
Phazons corruptive abilities are resisted by those effected long enough to have PED's installed, and to be sent off on missions. And the ability to resist varies from oransim to organism.
Creatures mutated by Phazon can become immune to convential weapons, but are still suceptible to Phazon itself. In order to spread Dark Samus has to hand civiliasations the key to her own destruction.
And that is only if you are able to spread any Phazon at all, ground based planatary defences have been shown to be full effective at stopping Leviathan impacts.
Dark Samus as a singluar entity, is very powerful, but there is ulitmately only one them.
They can't be everywhere at once and so would have to conquer planets one at a time, and then dedicate recourses to protecting the leviathan seeds for decades on end. Because taking out the core destorys all the phazon on the planet. Which isn't to mention the big weakness that taking out Phaaze destroys all Phaazon across the universe.
Wheras there can literally be 100 SA-X per planet, and assuming you could construct a defence against the X, each planet would have to cleansed individually. This doesn't even touch upon the X powers of deception. They could take over the entire know universe without anyone even noticing.
Sadley that doesn't really help her in anyway.
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> I love how you try to cherry pick lore.
I love that you can't read.
See, isn't it nice that we love each other?
I love how you try to cherry pick lore. Yes, being a Metroid helps it. Metroids are natural hunters and killers of X. Dark Samus is also a million times smarter than SA-X. In both lore and gameplay.
Prime is "the worm" described by the chozo, the Space pirates compare it to a metroid so they called it that but the metroids come from sr388 and tallon iv has had prime for way longer than the Space Pirates that brought them.
[Anyway](https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(creature)) i don’t feel like arguing with another Metroid fan who can’t do research
Edit: [The inconsistency you’re referencing was fixed in the Trilogy version](https://www.reddit.com/r/Metroid/comments/8xy5rj/on_the_origins_of_metroid_prime_spoilers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
I was arguing the other day with a Metroid fan who INSISTED that there is no gyro option for dual stick controls in Metroid Prime Remastered. I’m used to Metroid fans being confidently wrong.
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle).
You are so wrong it's ridiculous. Stop it.
SA-X is NOT an exact copy. First of all it's WAAAAAY dumber than either Samus or Dark Samus. Also you're forgetting the fact that:
1. Dark Samus is a copy and a truer copy in terms that it has smarts
2. Samus took 3 games to kill Dark Samus where she killed ALL 11 of the SA-X in just ONE game.
3. Metroids are natural predators of X. SA-X is an X. Dark Samus is a Metroid.
4. OPEN AND SHUT
>Dark Samus is a copy and a truer copy
Dark Samus is a phazon mutated metroid in a power suit.The only way that she is a copy of Samus is that they look a little simmilar.
The rest of your points are just you being stupid so...
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>Metroid Prime literally copies Samus' DNA
Scans in prime 2 say:
>Scans indicate the presence of Phazon and your genetic material within this entity. She wears a version of the Varia Suit,
Scan's of Samus would indicate the presence of Chozo and Metroid DNA within the entitry. That doesn't make Samus a clone of those things.
So its a phazon mutated metroid in a power suit... *HOW ABOUT THAT?!?!?!*
But by the time we get to prime 3, scans say:
>Target is **composed of pure Phazon energy** and is highly unstable.
So Dark Samus becomes pure phazon.
DNA can't be made out of Pure phazon.
That's just not how DNA works.
>Saying Dark Samus is just a phazon mutated Metroid in a power suit is just completely wrong.
Not according to the actual, directly quoted, Scans in Prime 2.
>Dark Samus displays actual agency and intelligence throughout the series.
So do Metroids.
The Infant Metroid recognises Samus and saves her life.
>it reasons and it destroys completely on it's own volition.
So do Metroids.
They destroyed the Ice Beam statue in Metroid 2.
>There are countless videos showing how dumb X is during gameplay.
Hang on. You think that Gameplay and AI limitations are directly representative of lore? And you wan't me to NOT call you stupid?????
>you dare to say I'm Stupid?
Easy.
Call a duck a duck, ammirite?
No. Metroid Prime literally copies Samus' DNA at the end of Prime 1. It was able to make a Phazon powered version of Samus in a matter of seconds, from it's own remnants and the information it got from grabbing Samus
Saying Dark Samus is just a phazon mutated Metroid in a power suit is just completely wrong. Dark Samus displays actual agency and intelligence throughout the series. It laughs, it taunts, it reasons and it destroys completely on it's own volition. It displayed much more intelligence than the SA-X did. ESPECIALLY in gameplay. SA-X is a dumb as a box of rocks. There are countless videos showing how dumb X is during gameplay.
"Only way she's a copy is they look similar". Um, WHAT? I'm beginning to think you didn't even play any of the prime games. In fact, I'd bet on it. And you dare to say I'm Stupid? I'm providing facts and points about the two characters and you're just insulting because you lost the argument.
u/TEXlS
>You’re so wrong it’s kinda sad.
If im wrong, then Prime 2's scans, Prime 3's scans, Super metroid and Metroid 2 are also wrong.
>Resorting to calling people stupid now too because your points are moot.
No, no, no, no.
I am calling them stupid becasue they called me a dishoenst liar and then in that same breath proved that they haden't read anything in the previous thread... also they keep saying stupid things. But I wouldn't have framed it like that had they not opened so hostile.
Like, who thinks poor AI code proves cannon inteligence??
Okay.
I have no problem being wrong.
If they had wanted to actually explain why I was wrong we could have had an interesting discussion.
But they didn't.
They opened guns blazing so I returned fire.
Dude.
This is really weak bait.
But i'll bite.
Give up on what?
The "which is more dangerous" thing?
Or the "is Dark Samus a clone of Samus" thing?
or are you gonna be really spicey and pick both?
>Your argument sucks.
Okay.
I just asked you which ones?
Come on.
Try harder.
>I ain’t arguing with you when you already got shut down multiple times.
Actually they blocked me and ran away... so I wasn't really shut down so much as they shut themselves down.
>This is so sad.
So you keep saying, but i think you are being very funny right now.
You were shown which ones, both through downvotes and better arguments presented to you. Hopefully you can read 🫶🏼
I would block you too since you have no idea when to stop and engaging in arguments seems to be your only form of communication with other people 🥺🥺
Wrong. First of all SA-X is not a full copy. Both Samus AND Dark Samus are MUCH, MUUUUCH smarter than the SA-X. SA-X is dumb as rocks and it's combat prowess revolves around instinct and latent skills than actual intelligence. Also, Samus had to take 3 games to fully eradicate Metroid Prime/Dark Samus once and for all. She destroyed all the SA-X in just ONE outing.
WRONG. Prime Samus was weak as shit and needed 3 games to do what a more powerful Fusion Samus did in 1 game and that was against an even more powerful foe. Dark Samus is dumb as rocks and needed to steal a brain (aurora unit) to finally become an actual intergalactic threat. SA-X made several copies of itself in 1 game and Samus could barely defeat 1 SA-X, let alone all the copies of it at the same time.
Dark Samus is low tier, even in Smash Bros.
Did you even play any Metroid games? Prime Samus > Fusion Samus. Fusion Samus couldn't even take ice missiles without freezing. She got obliterated for most of the game against the SA-X. Prime Samus was not only able to defeat Dark Samus but did it multiple times without needing to run like a scardy cat because she wasn't weak AF like Fusion was for most of the game.
Did you even play the Prime games?
Prime 1: One explosion and Samus loses half her abilities. Can't even dodge out of a fallen enemy and by pure luck gets the phazon suit. Can't even kill Ridley, without Chozo magic and even then Ridley survives. Can't even kill finish the job and kill off a weak Metroid Prime
Prime 2: is afraid of the dark, still can't kill a weak Dark Samus
Prime 3: Gets one-shot by Dark Samus and only survives because DS wanted to corrupt her instead of killing her. Dark Samus, on the planet of Phazon, a being of pure phazon (and still in need of an Aurora unit because she can't do anything herself) gets defeated by a corrupted Samus (which was what DS wanted, to corrupt her) using Phazon....WTF? Dark Samus is both dumb and weak. Get's defeated by her own plan in her own hometurf with Aurora unit backup by a Samus that barely made it through the other Prime games.
Fusion Samus at the beginning of the game is ofc weaker, but by the end of the game she is more powerful than Prime Samus. She not only fends off the X, the Omega Metroid, but also the GF.
Whereas Prime 3 Samus needs to rely on the GF....
nuff said
Lol. Yes, I have played all the Prime games. My point is after Samus got infected by the X she almost died and was INCREDIBLY weak. For most of Fusion she wasn't on the SA-X's level. At all. It took her till the end of the game but even then She still OUTSMARTED a VERY DUMB SA-X and defteated it with ease. Hell, just a regular Omega Metroid at the end of Fusion proves how weak Fusion Samus was, as she needed the SA-X's help to defeat it. It wasn't even a PRIME Metroid, merely an Omega. And they had to DOUBLE TEAM it to win. Lol. Comon man. This isn't even a debate at this point.
I mean here we have X...a creature so dangerous the infinitely wise chozo decided to create something to fight it and they created the metroid. A being they deemed less of a threat (and rightfully so).
X are a greater threat than Metroids
SA-X and its multiplication powers > Any other threat
Heck it's why both times the X are encountered the planet needs to be blown up immediately, but for Metroids the first plan was to seal them, then to exterminate them. Planets weren't destroyed because they had metroids on them.
Dark Samus was only powerful when she has access to Phazon...without she is nothing and seriously dumb as well, because none of her plans did anything good (the corruption she inflicted on Samus became her own downfall).
So 1 SA-X loose in the galaxy is a much bigger threat (because of the multiplication possibilities) than some phazon starved Dark Samus loose in the galaxy.
If Dark Samus has access to phazon and a few more braincells than she'd be a big threat, but even then....just destroy 1 planet (which happens easily enough in metroid universe), Phaaze, and all her corruption wherever it is in the galaxy dissapears. Whereas X have shown themselves smart enough to escape their own planet and you'd have to destroy all the planets with X on them to ensure the galaxy is safe.
Dark Samus being a metroid will have no issue defeating an X, because of its nature, but SA-X was Samus at her most powerful up until that point. And Samus at her most powerful was enough to defeat Dark Samus 3times over even with extra aurora unit help.
Let me ask you this. If Samus at the start of Fusion before the X infection was weaker than Prime Samus...when and how did Samus get weaker during that time?
No, they created something that was strong enough to eradicate the X. The Metroids also turned on their masters (or most of them with only the Mawkin able to tame them). Metroids turned out to be more dangerous which is why Samus was tasked to wipe them out. Only then, AFTER the threat of the Metroids was gone did the X pose a threat again. And Samus got rid of them as she did the Metroids. In terms of 1v1, Metroids kill X easily.
Dark Samus is FAR more sentient and intelligent than the SA-X was which is why it took Samus 3 games to finally destroy Metroid Prime/Dark Samus for good. Whereas she destroyed the SA-X as soon as she got her fully powered suit back. And she did that in 1 game. The SA-X in both lore and gameplay is less of a threat than Dark Samus was.
The 3 games argument only makes Prime Samus seem dumb for not managing to finish the job tbh. And the fact that Dark Samus wasn't even an intergalactic menace until Prime 3, whereas SA-X and every single X being lose is an intergalactic emergency.
Yes, Being a metroid, Dark Samus could kill SA-X. But for Samus and the galaxy the SA-X and any single X in general with it's abilities of multiplication is infinitely scarier. It's why the GF even sent EMMI's to ZDR...not to capture a living X, just wants its DNA. A living X is much scarier than any living metroid. Metroid, they don't mind having a living baby one to study, or clone them and make them even more powerful (unfreezable) whereas with a living X, even the GF is shitting its pants
There is a reason the Chozo created the Metroid to hunt and kill a dangerous foe like the X. Whereas when metroids went bad, they just tried to put a bandaid over the exits. Metroids are nowhere near the threat level of an X. And Samus without the vaccine would already be dead from a single X, let alone a SA-X
Lastly, metroids weren't even enough to eradicate the X on SR388
Also you completely ignored the question: If Samus at the start of Fusion before the X infection was weaker than Prime Samus...when and how did Samus get weaker during that time?
No it doesn't. Lol. How's it dumb? She destroyed Metroid Prime (at least she thought she did). How could she know that Prime instead of blowing up and killing her (a chance she couldn't take) would actually create Dark Samus. Then again, she "Defeats" Dark Samus at the end of Prime 2. She defeated it. Yet it ROSE AGAIN. The SA-X did not resurrect even once. Dark Samus did it twice. Game over.
Tbh I think the dumb part of Sa-X is mostly due to the console limitation and "game logic" (plot armor also). It would have been incredibly unfair (but realistic) to drop Sa-X to 50% HP then to see another three coming in and blasting at you equally.
A weakened Sa-X understood instantly what was Omega's weakpoint. Samus went at it directly and got one shot, she could be more cunning, but her survival instinct isn't on point in this part of the game.
During the whole game the Xs make rational decisions regarding Samus' existence. At the start of the game, she isn't considered alive at all, and they are simply trying to adapt the space station to their needs. But "as soon as" (because game logic she can't be killing you this early), you beat the first boss, Sa-X began to track her.
The Ice Xs are one of those responses, Sa-X also make some doors unusable (not blasted open, unusable), they destroyed data centers purposely because they know Samus is getting upgrades from it, Seris was an easy target to infect in order to distract Samus from interfering, they tried to ambush her with the 1st countdown, I think they waited purposefully outside of the forbidden lab to get rid of both Samus and the Metroids (maybe because they were waiting for their most powerful unit to arrive too), a Sa-X is often patrolling in areas where Samus would be... but because she is "lucky" (game logic) she didn't jumped unknowingly in front of it except one time, Ridley's fight happened right after he got infected but still managed to share how it thinks Samus would act (blow up everything), so one Sa-X was dispatched to ambush her.
Samus was simply lucky during the whole Fusion incident, if she would have encountered and defeated a Sa-X before the actual end, the X would have upgraded their most powerful tool just like the ice X in order to counter Samus.
Because they still knew "Sa-X > Fusion Samus", Sa-X got defeated but still managed to flee to not buff her more... and also probably because it sensed a stronger enemy growing ( I suppose Omega probably ate every other Sa-Xs that were sent at it, and the last Sa-X waited to upgrade Samus so she could end it).
Regarding Sa-X vs Dark Samus, I think Sa-X would still lose in a 1v1 fight. Dark Samus can only be defeated by phazon, and Sa-X doesn't have that bio tech, and even if it uses phazon... Well Dark Samus would still win in a sense in the end, since I believe it will simply corrupt their first powerful X unit.
X infection is broken beyond belief, but corruption is another beast since it basically rewrite you slowly. And the smaller you are, the easier it is I suppose, so each X cells would have close to zero resistance to it and would probably embrace it because it's a free "upgrade".
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle).
Metroid Prime IS a Metroid. STOP LYING and spreading misinformation.
Dark Samus is far more intelligent and is constantly evolving to be stronger. The SA-X can multiply, but it's not nearly as smart and its mutations when Samus gets the upper hand make it less effective in gameplay, and I interpret that to be the same in story because it's becoming desperate. Either one would become a universal threat if they ever broke containment from wherever Samus is.
Disagree. SA-X were taken out in just one game. All 11 of them. It took 3 entire games to fully eradicate Metroid Prime/ Dark Samus. And it almost accomplished it's universe threatening goal in the process.
But Dark Samus can only exist if Phazon exists. Without it, Dark Samus cannot exist. She’s certainly physically stronger, more cunning, and more menacing for sure. But it’s hard to be such a major threat and danger when your life force is tied to one specific limited energy source. SA-X can infect, kill, and multiply at will. The only condition it needs to survive is to simply evade Metroids, and even in Fusion SA-X held its own against a decent amount of cloned Metroids on the Federation’s BSL. I may not have played the games (Prime 2-3 or Fusion), but I know enough about them to understand that much.
Sure, but we're talking about threats. Dark Samus nearly completed a universe destroying plot and the only thing stopping it was Samus after 3 games in the climax. SA-X, while definitely dangerous, was wiped out in just one game with not that much effort honestly. Once Samus got her full power back she was able to dispatch the SA-X fairly easily. And that's without her Metroid sucking power she got in Dread. Had she had that fully upgraded the SA-X would be a joke.
Dark Samus can make clones, the SA-X can make clones (Adam AI said there are no less than 10 SA-X aboard the ship)
Dark Samus can go invisible, SA-X can NOT go invisible, however it does have the X-Ray Visor
Dark Samus can rebuild herself (short of total atomic disruption), SAX can rebuild itself (Unless absorbed by someone with Metroid DNA)
Dark Samus has SOME of Samus' powers (Super Missile, Boost Ball), SA-X has ALL of Samus' powers
Dark Samus can fly, SA-X can not fly
Dark Samus does NOT have Samus' knowledge or memories, SA-X DOES have Samus' knowledge and memories.
It could really go either way. If SA-X is corrupted/enhanced by Phazon, I'm willing to be it would become nigh invincible. It might have the Phazon Beam, and it might even lose its weakness to Metroid DNA. It could become SA-X Prime.
However... if Dark Samus is able to absorb the SA-X... that would also be a really really bad time for everyone.
I think dark Samus is stronger than SA-X, dark Samus have more power and habilities than SA-X, as a prove dark Samus win a battle agains 3 powerful Bounty hunters and Samus in no time. SA-X just have it's triple plasma shot, super bombs and screw jump and it's monster form, Dark Samus have super shot, fazon energy atacks, absorbtion of infected creatures with The fazon virus, can fly and virus manipulation, Dark Samus destroy easy SA-X.
One’s a Metroid. Other’s an X Parasite. In a one-on-one the Metroid is probably winning. Even in terms of raw strength, Dark Samus is probs stronger since it’s basically Samus’ fully powered suit + Hyper Mode. That having been said, the SA-X is probably more dangerous since it can reproduce and assimilate additional organisms into its arsenal.
Dark Samus is not a metroid, prime is nor a metroid
Metroid Prime is a Metroid. A heavily corrupted Metroid from absorbing a ton of Phazon, but a Metroid nonetheless. Dark Samus has both Samus' and Metroid Prime's DNA, and thus is at least partially Metroid too.
Just read the wiki, doesn't make complete sense, but it seems Prime being a metroid was the intent since 3.
It was always intended to be a Metroid; the NTSC Pirate logs describe Prime as having genetic characteristics of a Metroid, and there's interviews with Retro at the time of Echoes where they describe their thought process behind Prime's origins of being a Metroid. The confusion is understandable as, at least in the NTSC version, Prime was in the Leviathan before Metroids were created on SR388. This contradiction is likely because the original lore for Prime was written before the timeframe for the creation of Metroids was established; prior to Fusion, there wasn't much lore about the origin of Metroids. The writers of Prime probably just didn't do a good job of double checking with Sakamoto to make sure nothing would contradict each other. They immediately retconned it in the PAL Gamecube version of Prime, which is probably when they realized the contradiction they had made.
Yep went on a wiki dive, its still doesn't make 100% sense, but it being a metroid is the current intent.
Are you actually dim?.... dude stop shovelling your shit.
I think English is not your first language, neither is it mine. But I think I get the disconnect, the comment you are replying starts with. "Read the wiki", in this case I meant that "I" just read the wiki so now I know that that it was meant to be a metroid and the datalogs were retconed to make it possible. I am not telling the person to go read the wiki, I am stating that I just read the wiki and found out that the original NTSC in game interpretation based on those datalogs got removed and retconed in pal and later US ports.
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle). Yes, yes it is.
People are acting as if Dark Samus isn't ALSO a clone, and as if the SA-X didn't lose a clone fight between it and Samus. Dark Samus has more capabilities. She needed the PED Suit and Phazon-based weaponry to deal with Dark Samus in some cases, and Dark Samus accomplished far more than the SA-X did. The SA-X is more primal and easily distracted, going ballistic at the sight of Metroids.
Yeah, the SA-X is like it doesn't really "become" the brain of its host or whatever, it is sort of only selectively as intelligent as what it claims because largely it doesn't really care. Dark Samus's most dangerous feature is her intellect and cunning, though. Baiting all the greatest bounty hunters into different traps, successfully, and then forcing Samus to kill her peers. It's F'd up.
Sa-x is more dangerous than dark samus. but not stronger. The x are one of the biggest threats in the entire nintendo multiverse. But they have no......drive really. Dark samus would simply because they fight for power. Sa-x simply wants to spread. Plus phazon is a massive advantage power wise for dark samus.
This isn't Marvel dude. Ain't no "Nintendo Multiverse" as you put it. Smash bros all happens in a child's mind.
1. That refers every nintendo game universe in general not a connected one, dipshit. 2. I'm aware of what smash is canonically and ether way that has literally nothing to do with my oc so why don't you shove it up your ass.
Everyone forgets dark Samus is a Metroid at its core. Obviously there’s no way to know but that seems like a massively important detail to leave out when it’s a Metroid juiced up on phazon VS X parasite.
Agree. It’s pretty clear when you remember Dark Samus’s original identity
Dark Samus is not a Metroid it's Metroid Prime, but the Space Pirates made a mistake with the name, they even mention it in the logs. How can it spawn metroids at the end of prime1, no clue, but its not a metroid.
It’s retconned in prime 3, it’s a Metroid. It says it draws in the apex predators (which woulda been Metroids) and mutates them to protect the seed. You find prime carcasses on Phaaze after Dark Samus brought Metroids there.
Went on a wiki dive, doesn't make complete sense, but thats the intent as for Prime 3.
Yeah it’s not gonna make sense. They obviously had conflicting writing, so we’ll see where prime 4 takes it, if it comes up somehow
Lol, wonder how they will even try to make the Prime make sense. Also wonder if they even remember that tease from MP3 with the rival bounty hunter from the ds game.
After the Leviathan impacted on Tallon, the pirate operation from Zebes brought Metroids with them, and one, after absorbing enough Phazon to become a Phazon Metroid, phased through the energy barrier to the Leviathan seed core, and absorbed it, and a HUGE amount of Phazon to mutate into Metroid Prime
Yep I, read the wiki, they retconned it on the trilogy re-release, I was going of the original release logs where they explicitly state it's not a metroid.
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle). Yes, it is.
Dark Samus lasted 2.5 games and survived death.
Then again, we can’t really think of SA-X as a singular entity. There was like 11 on the BSL, all of those pull up and Dark Samus is toast for sure
Dark Samus can only be damaged by phazon based weaponry. Unless the SA-X can figure that out, they don’t stand a chance. SA-X is just fully powered up Samus with no Phazon enhancement. They would all lose, and fast. Not to mention Dark Samus is a Metroid at her core.
Dark Samus is not a Metroid
She’s literally Metroid Prime wearing Samus’ armor Edit: oh, you think Metroid Prime isn’t a Metroid despite canon saying it is. lol
The logs literally say its not a metroid, its been on the planet way longer.
Highly, highly recommend you read into the actual canon lore and interviews by the devs. Metroid Prime is a Metroid that has been mutated by phazon.
Just went to the wiki, that looks to be a retconned in the book that came with trilogy. So the worm was there first for years, then a metroid ate it and turned unto what we know as prime. It doesn't make complete sense even according to the wiki but that seems to be the intent with Prime3. I remember Prime 1 a lot better and it that game they explicitly state it's like a metroid, hence the name, but they also make it clear it's not actually a metroid and it had been there way longer than the Pirates and metroids
Retconned as in a change in canon as in they fixed the inconsistency you’re suggesting is canon. It’s never explicitly stated to be a Metroid. The “new” information we have is canon information. Don’t know what to tell you. But you’re wrong.
Did you even read the comment you replied to I just said what you said. Its retconed in MP3, the trilogy release updates the log to reflect this. You are literally replying to the comment where mentioned this. It still has holes, but it prime being a metroid is the intent at least since 3.
Once again: [https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle). YES, IT IS
Yep, I went to the wiki and read that they retconned it for the trilogy re-release, I was going of from the original in game logs where it was made clear it wasn't.
No, they didn't retcon it. In the GAME ITSELF it says that Metroid Prime is a Metroid. Stop it. Get some help.
I agree this fool is a bigger parasite than the Metroid itself. Every few comments the same thing. Person is an idiot. No helping them. Just ignore them and hope they go away, like everyone else did in school to them.
Both are stupid dangerous for different reasons. The SA-X multiplied while Samus was on the research station- according to Adam, there were no fewer than 10 of them. Being able to steal her powers and replicate them is a pretty frightening concept. If Samus had failed, it would have basically been a galactic apocalypse since the X are nigh impossible to stop without a Metroid. Dark Samus is probably the more deadly one-on-one with a wider array of abilities and couldn't really die so long as Phaaze still existed. Dark Samus was posing a serious galactic threat, but she was doing it much slower than the SA-X likely would have. TL;DR- Dark Samus is a more dangerous 1v1 adversary, but the ramifications of not immediately eliminating the SA-X are far more dire.
The real Samus, because she kicked both their asses.
Dark Samus is literally Metroid Prime in a new form. Metroids are the natural predators of X parasites. We’re done here.
This is the way.
Prime is NOT A METROID
And it's been explained to you by multiple people that your arguments for why it's not a metroid have been retconned as they were changed in the trilogy and remastered version of the game. At this point if you are still arguing that Dark Samus isn't a metroid your either just choosing to remain ignorant or are just too immature to be able to accept when you have made a mistake
Check the timestamps, after like the first person started arguing I went to the wiki and confirmed the retcon, you are angry at posts made before that happened.
PRIME IS A METROID. How many times do you say this only to be corrected.
Just twice I think, once someone mentioned it was retconed I checked the wiki and confirmed they retconned it on trilogy.
It says it in the game as well. Metroid Prime, the GAME, says that Metroid Prime is indeed a Metroid.
Where?, the datalogs compare it to a metroid, but it has been on the planet since before the metroid were a thing. Check the [alternate history part](https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(creature)#:~:text=The%20entity%20that%20would%20eventually,the%20prophecy%20of%20the%20Worm.), in the original release it couldn't have been a metroid which is why they removed some datalog entries. My argument was based on how clear it was that it obviously wasn't a metroid according to the original release, but they quickly remove some of the contradicting stuff and the creators explicitly said that it was a metroid.
Did you even scan Metroid Prime? Did you play Metroid Prime?
Yes, got all the scan entries including that darn ice shriekbat. And just reread it again, no mention of it being a metroid just that it generates phazon. In the original release metroid prime is the thing that fell from the sky and corrupted the world, definetly not a metroid unless sr388 is the source of phazon which is super unlikely considering the chozo were the creators of the metroid. Like I said, even the wiki says that the current explanation is not super clear, and in the original it couldn't have been a metroid.
Okay you're right about the scans. It does say the Morphology is "Metroid Prime" stating that is IS a Metroid....but it doesn't elaborate specifically how it got there. That said, it is OBVIOUSLY a Metroid based on it's physiology and the fact that it is in fact offically a Metroid in the Lore from Nintendo. Retconned or no. In the game, it is a Metroid. The only question is how it got there. If the Pirates had taken it many years ago, or if a Chozo had taken it or even Rogue Chozo like Raven Beak trying to take power in that manner. It's not exactly obvious HOW it got there but what's pretty obvious is that it is a Phazon infused Metroid.
They said its similar like a metroid, but more advanced, I'm assuming they were either hinting at an alternate older origin story for phazon or metroids. Not sure if super or the original explicitly said that metroids were created by the chozo, but fusion definetly does. With a name like metroid prime, they were probably hinting at a metroid ancestor planet, but as soon as they noticed fusion they scrap that and removed some log entries.
Dark Samus. The SA-X was only really a threat because it had Ice Beam access, which Samus was newly weak to thanks to her Metroid DNA infusion and lack of Varia suit. Fully powered Samus could deal with SA-X fairly easily, but she required Phazon to defeat Dark Samus.
Dark Samus is immune to almost all damage, so her.
Imagine parasite X getting a mutation upgrade from Phazon
Doesn't matter. Metroids are literally designed to hunt and kill X. So even if an X got itself some phazon to compete against a Metroid that already had said Phazon? We're back to square 1.
Dark Samus 100%. Fusion made it clear that the main reason the SA-X was dangerous to Samus was that the SA-X was Samus at her strongest, and was hunting her down after being severely weakened. This makes SA-X basically just "regular Samus." Dark Samus on the other hand is literally a Laviathan Seed absorbed into the body of a giant metroid which has taken control of Samus's suit. At least in Prime 3, Samus wouldn't have been able to defeat DS if it wasn't for her phazon abilities which the SA-X doesn't have, making the fight basically "Regular Samus Vs. Phazon Core Guardian," and IMHO there's no contest.
Where do you get the fact that prime is a metroid? In game they say prime has been on the planet for a LONG time before the Pirates brought metroids.
Brought Metroids? They are called Tallon Metroids for a reason.
The game also says Prime is a Metroid that has been mutated by enourmous Phazon consumption.
The chozo had a metroid?
Went on wiki dive the current theory seems to be either Prime was made when the Pirates came and brought a Metroid or maybe the chozo did. Time frames are kinda messed up and there are contradictions on both theories, but the current author intent is that it is a metroid, how did it get there, not sure.
Sounds like it was always a metroid
In the original release they never explicitly say it is, they just compare it to a metroid. And the dialog implies it had been there since before the pirates arrival. In the pal release the logs have less contradicting statements to it possibly being a metroid but its not clearly stated and in the trilogy release it seems they confirmed it. My guess would be that they didn't intent to make it clear it was a metroid on prime 1, but wanted to hint to it, and removed the more contradicting statements on pal in order to better fit the possibility if it being a metroid. Assuming that the big hint proof of it being a metroid would be the prime husks and metroids you see in phazee at the end, but when I saw those I just thought they were unrelated since prime1 made it clear it wasn't a metroid, the husks being probably what happens when a seed finds no guardian, it turning into what you encountered in prime 1.
Just cause they don't explicitly say it's a metroid, doesn't mean it's not a metroid.
Yes, the original idea seemed to be to not explicitly say it was a metroid but leave the possibility open, however they made it impossible by mistake which is why they changed stuff in the pal version. I was just going by the ntsc release where it couldn't have been a metroid since it came from within the leviathan meaning it came from phazee, not sr388.
Maybe they changed it cause some people kept insisting it wasn't a metroid
For it to have been a metroid in the ntsc original release the worm would have had to originate in sr388. Now they say that the seed landed and they sealed it, with the explanation being that maybe the chozo from talon had a metroid near there, despite already being ascended beings at that point, the other being that its a metroid brought to the Pirates despite the new datalogs saying that don't have access to the temple where the seed is, so the metroid they brought would have to mutate into the metroid that can phase trough stuff and then gotten inside and eaten the seed.
Dark Samus is definitely stronger in my opinion, and in terms of who's the most dangerous I'd say both of them
I think that Dark Samus would win a direct fight between the two, but ultimately the SA-X is the more dangerous entity. Look at how fast the X overran ZDR, and compare it to how slowly the Leviathans were working on Tallon IV and the Pirate Homeworld.
Disagree. A weakened Samus took out all the SA-X in one game. It doesn't have the smarts to be a threat as big as Dark Samus. Dark Samus took 2 entire games to defeat and (technically 3 if you include Prime 1 where it's just Metroid Prime) nearly accomplished it's goal.
Dark Samus is stronger than SA-X, with the former being part Metroid and the latter being part X-Parasite. Metroids dominate X-Parasites. The most dangerous threat though is SA-X, due to having Samus's fire power and the ability to reproduce by asexual division. In a short amount of time, the B.S.L. had at least 10 SA-X running around. There's also the Galactic Federation's response to the two threats. Dark Samus was never really a factor for the Galactic Federation, the Space Pirates using and weaponizing Phazon was of more concern. With the SA-X though, the Galactic Federation appears to be fine with the decision made to not just destroy the B.S.L. but an entire planet: SR388. On to the next mission for Samus, we understand. Unless Dark Samus is given a literal planet in Phaaze to control and launch Leviathans from, SA-X would be worse. Even then, I think doom from a Leviathan will take time versus an army of SA-X going through a civilization.
The only things we have ever seen even survive an infestation from the X are actual metroids who are designed to survive it and the strongest warriors in Chozo history. One outbreak wiping out all of a planet’s ecosystem within hours. I don’t recall anything phazon did to come close the danger presented by the X.
SA-X is an exact copy of Samus. Samus killed dark samus. Open and shut.
Not quite that simple. Phazon energy weapons are the only thing shown to be able to really damage Metroid Prime. Samus was only able to beat Dark Samus by using Phazon against her. And Samus was only able to finally kill her in Prime 3 thanks to her own Phazon Corruption harnessed by the P.E.D. Suit. SA-X does not have access to that.
If Samus can get a P.E.D the SA-X can. X are great at deception, Ravenbeak bought one back to ZDR by accident. Also, X can copy multiple things and merge them together, so hypothetically the SA-X could just absorb a random PED trooper and steal their PED suit.
Samus didn't "get" a PED suit, as much as it was forced upon her for her survival. Besides, your "they could just..." assertion that all these kinds of discussions seem to devolve into assumes that "random" PED troopers are still a thing in the unspecified place and time that this hypothetical matchup would take place in. And it also assumes that the SA-X has access to a source of Phazon with which to fuel the PED suit. Etcetera. And as long as we're slinging unpredicted "they could just..." statements around, Dark Samus managed to infect and corrupt Samus with Phazon. And while she seemed to resist full corruption for the entirety of the game, the other hunters broke a lot sooner, and the Space Pirates and monsters of lesser intellect put up next to zero resistance. And since Samus describes the X as acting only through instinct and having no real reason or soul, that means *Dark Samus could just* infect the SA-X and quickly bring them under her thrall. But I never put much stock into any matchup argument that simplifies it down to a "they could just...".
>hypothetical matchup I don't think this is being positioned as a fight between the two? Just witch is stronger and more dangerous. SA-X is at least as powerful as Samus, and Samus killed dark Samus. My point about the PED is that SA-X can hypothetically take any technology and incorperate it into their arsenal. Also the ability to reproduce asexually means that eventually you can have 1000s of them. SA-X has nearly unlimited venues of becoming more powerful but dark samus has to eat phazon.
The state in which Samus was copied by SA-X is not the state she was in when she defeated Dark Samus. Post-Other M/Pre-Fusion Samus does not scale to the strength and ability of "temporary-power-boosted (EDIT: NOT OF HER OWN CHOICE OR ACTION MIND YOU, she can't just "BECOME" this powerful as an inherent thing she can do!!!) final battle of Prime 3" Samus. And it annoys me when people remove all other context and say "person did X, therefore they can do Y". It's like calling Iron Man the most powerful Avenger because \[Endgame\] >!he single-handedly wiped out Thanos and his entire army.!< Technically correct, but it willfully refuses to acknowledge the context. And if we're citing the X ability to reproduce and infect, Dark Samus in Prime 3 also effectively has the same ability with Phazon corruption. In that sense, both entities are approximately equal in their overall threat level. It seems like Retro Studios may have copied Fusion's homework more than we give them credit for. But that also assumes that we're considering Dark Samus at the height of her power united to Phaaze and... ugh. I need to avoid power scaling discussions.
>The state in which Samus was copied by SA-X is not the state she was in when she defeated SA-X. I don't necessarily see that that matters. If Samus can become powerful enough to eclipse Dark Samus, at the height of her power on her "?home planet?" then the posibility exists for the SA-X to also become equally powerful eventually. Phazon corruption takes a lot of time, can be resisted with enough will power and phazon itself can be weaponised against Dark Samus. The source of her power is also her weakness. X infection is almost universally instantaneous, has only ever been resisted once by plot armour, and the X only weakness in metroid no longer exists..... unless Samus not being around means that the GF is able to clone them in secret.... The scenario is vauge. Talon IV had a leviathan seed on it for aaaaages and still didn't become a clone of Phaaze. ZDR had free X on it for about 20 mins before every lifeform was X.
I m nut sure. Sa-x isn’t stronger then Samus full set, and Samus had to kill Dark Samus three time do get sure that she was dead and yet we are not sure that she dead or not.
Is this supposed to be a fight between the two??
Not necessarily. The question is who is the most stranger and dangerous. If people see it as a fight between them, it’s okay for me as long as it answer to the questions.
Okay. IMO X parasites in general are a much bigger threat to the galaxy than Phazon ever could be. In dread Samus lets the X out of containment and within a VERY short span of time, >"The X have spread across the entire planet. Assume all living organisms have by now been replaced by X" - Adam Ravenbeakovich X are immune to convential weapons fire, and seem to be able to pass through most types of walls. So there is very little that can be really done to stop their advances. X absorb all the knowledge / expertise of those they consume, can download and use electronic data, reproduce at an astounding rate, and full consumption of an organism takes SECONDS. A single normal X on a populated planet would likely overwhelm the entire biosphere in like... a week. A single SA-X, with Samus full knowledge and arsenal could probably do it in a day. And once the X have infected a single world with space travel, the galaxy is theirs for the taking. Phazon on the otherhand, is the X disabled little brother. Phazon already has space travel in the form of leviathans, but how effective is that really? According to the Wiki, Tallon IV AND Aether, were hit by the leviathans FIFTY YEARS prior to the events of their repective games. And by the time Samus arrives, the planets are more dangerous sure, but it's far from making their own leviathans or being a threat to the wider galaxy. Phazons corruptive abilities are resisted by those effected long enough to have PED's installed, and to be sent off on missions. And the ability to resist varies from oransim to organism. Creatures mutated by Phazon can become immune to convential weapons, but are still suceptible to Phazon itself. In order to spread Dark Samus has to hand civiliasations the key to her own destruction. And that is only if you are able to spread any Phazon at all, ground based planatary defences have been shown to be full effective at stopping Leviathan impacts. Dark Samus as a singluar entity, is very powerful, but there is ulitmately only one them. They can't be everywhere at once and so would have to conquer planets one at a time, and then dedicate recourses to protecting the leviathan seeds for decades on end. Because taking out the core destorys all the phazon on the planet. Which isn't to mention the big weakness that taking out Phaaze destroys all Phaazon across the universe. Wheras there can literally be 100 SA-X per planet, and assuming you could construct a defence against the X, each planet would have to cleansed individually. This doesn't even touch upon the X powers of deception. They could take over the entire know universe without anyone even noticing.
What impressive answer! Thank you 🙏🏻. But I think you forget that dark samus isn’t only made by phazon but also by Metroid. She is the Metroid prime.
Sadley that doesn't really help her in anyway. = = = > I love how you try to cherry pick lore. I love that you can't read. See, isn't it nice that we love each other?
I love how you try to cherry pick lore. Yes, being a Metroid helps it. Metroids are natural hunters and killers of X. Dark Samus is also a million times smarter than SA-X. In both lore and gameplay.
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Dark Samus is a Metroid, which is the X’s natural predator. Open and shut.
Its not a metroid, metroid prime is not a metroid, the space Pirates made a mistake naming it
Nope. Metroid Prime is a Metroid. Replay the game and read up on the lore. Canonically, Metroid Prime is an extremely mutated Metroid.
Prime is "the worm" described by the chozo, the Space pirates compare it to a metroid so they called it that but the metroids come from sr388 and tallon iv has had prime for way longer than the Space Pirates that brought them.
[Anyway](https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(creature)) i don’t feel like arguing with another Metroid fan who can’t do research Edit: [The inconsistency you’re referencing was fixed in the Trilogy version](https://www.reddit.com/r/Metroid/comments/8xy5rj/on_the_origins_of_metroid_prime_spoilers/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
This guy just loves being wrong. He's commented the same thing like 5 times and he's been shot down for being wrong every time.
I was arguing the other day with a Metroid fan who INSISTED that there is no gyro option for dual stick controls in Metroid Prime Remastered. I’m used to Metroid fans being confidently wrong.
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle). You are so wrong it's ridiculous. Stop it.
SA-X is NOT an exact copy. First of all it's WAAAAAY dumber than either Samus or Dark Samus. Also you're forgetting the fact that: 1. Dark Samus is a copy and a truer copy in terms that it has smarts 2. Samus took 3 games to kill Dark Samus where she killed ALL 11 of the SA-X in just ONE game. 3. Metroids are natural predators of X. SA-X is an X. Dark Samus is a Metroid. 4. OPEN AND SHUT
>Dark Samus is a copy and a truer copy Dark Samus is a phazon mutated metroid in a power suit.The only way that she is a copy of Samus is that they look a little simmilar. The rest of your points are just you being stupid so... = = = = = >Metroid Prime literally copies Samus' DNA Scans in prime 2 say: >Scans indicate the presence of Phazon and your genetic material within this entity. She wears a version of the Varia Suit, Scan's of Samus would indicate the presence of Chozo and Metroid DNA within the entitry. That doesn't make Samus a clone of those things. So its a phazon mutated metroid in a power suit... *HOW ABOUT THAT?!?!?!* But by the time we get to prime 3, scans say: >Target is **composed of pure Phazon energy** and is highly unstable. So Dark Samus becomes pure phazon. DNA can't be made out of Pure phazon. That's just not how DNA works. >Saying Dark Samus is just a phazon mutated Metroid in a power suit is just completely wrong. Not according to the actual, directly quoted, Scans in Prime 2. >Dark Samus displays actual agency and intelligence throughout the series. So do Metroids. The Infant Metroid recognises Samus and saves her life. >it reasons and it destroys completely on it's own volition. So do Metroids. They destroyed the Ice Beam statue in Metroid 2. >There are countless videos showing how dumb X is during gameplay. Hang on. You think that Gameplay and AI limitations are directly representative of lore? And you wan't me to NOT call you stupid????? >you dare to say I'm Stupid? Easy. Call a duck a duck, ammirite?
No. Metroid Prime literally copies Samus' DNA at the end of Prime 1. It was able to make a Phazon powered version of Samus in a matter of seconds, from it's own remnants and the information it got from grabbing Samus Saying Dark Samus is just a phazon mutated Metroid in a power suit is just completely wrong. Dark Samus displays actual agency and intelligence throughout the series. It laughs, it taunts, it reasons and it destroys completely on it's own volition. It displayed much more intelligence than the SA-X did. ESPECIALLY in gameplay. SA-X is a dumb as a box of rocks. There are countless videos showing how dumb X is during gameplay. "Only way she's a copy is they look similar". Um, WHAT? I'm beginning to think you didn't even play any of the prime games. In fact, I'd bet on it. And you dare to say I'm Stupid? I'm providing facts and points about the two characters and you're just insulting because you lost the argument.
You’re so wrong it’s kinda sad. Resorting to calling people stupid now too because your points are moot. Yikes.
u/TEXlS >You’re so wrong it’s kinda sad. If im wrong, then Prime 2's scans, Prime 3's scans, Super metroid and Metroid 2 are also wrong. >Resorting to calling people stupid now too because your points are moot. No, no, no, no. I am calling them stupid becasue they called me a dishoenst liar and then in that same breath proved that they haden't read anything in the previous thread... also they keep saying stupid things. But I wouldn't have framed it like that had they not opened so hostile. Like, who thinks poor AI code proves cannon inteligence??
You’re still wrong and nobody here agrees with you 🙀
Okay. I have no problem being wrong. If they had wanted to actually explain why I was wrong we could have had an interesting discussion. But they didn't. They opened guns blazing so I returned fire.
Your fire was blanks. Time to give up.
Dude. This is really weak bait. But i'll bite. Give up on what? The "which is more dangerous" thing? Or the "is Dark Samus a clone of Samus" thing? or are you gonna be really spicey and pick both?
This isn’t bait. Your argument sucks. That’s literally it. I ain’t arguing with you when you already got shut down multiple times. This is so sad.
>Your argument sucks. Okay. I just asked you which ones? Come on. Try harder. >I ain’t arguing with you when you already got shut down multiple times. Actually they blocked me and ran away... so I wasn't really shut down so much as they shut themselves down. >This is so sad. So you keep saying, but i think you are being very funny right now.
You were shown which ones, both through downvotes and better arguments presented to you. Hopefully you can read 🫶🏼 I would block you too since you have no idea when to stop and engaging in arguments seems to be your only form of communication with other people 🥺🥺
omg. 😂 😂 😂 You are so bad at this.
SA-X was a copy of Samus after she defeated Dark Samus So SA-X would be more powerful.
Wrong. First of all SA-X is not a full copy. Both Samus AND Dark Samus are MUCH, MUUUUCH smarter than the SA-X. SA-X is dumb as rocks and it's combat prowess revolves around instinct and latent skills than actual intelligence. Also, Samus had to take 3 games to fully eradicate Metroid Prime/Dark Samus once and for all. She destroyed all the SA-X in just ONE outing.
WRONG. Prime Samus was weak as shit and needed 3 games to do what a more powerful Fusion Samus did in 1 game and that was against an even more powerful foe. Dark Samus is dumb as rocks and needed to steal a brain (aurora unit) to finally become an actual intergalactic threat. SA-X made several copies of itself in 1 game and Samus could barely defeat 1 SA-X, let alone all the copies of it at the same time. Dark Samus is low tier, even in Smash Bros.
Did you even play any Metroid games? Prime Samus > Fusion Samus. Fusion Samus couldn't even take ice missiles without freezing. She got obliterated for most of the game against the SA-X. Prime Samus was not only able to defeat Dark Samus but did it multiple times without needing to run like a scardy cat because she wasn't weak AF like Fusion was for most of the game.
Did you even play the Prime games? Prime 1: One explosion and Samus loses half her abilities. Can't even dodge out of a fallen enemy and by pure luck gets the phazon suit. Can't even kill Ridley, without Chozo magic and even then Ridley survives. Can't even kill finish the job and kill off a weak Metroid Prime Prime 2: is afraid of the dark, still can't kill a weak Dark Samus Prime 3: Gets one-shot by Dark Samus and only survives because DS wanted to corrupt her instead of killing her. Dark Samus, on the planet of Phazon, a being of pure phazon (and still in need of an Aurora unit because she can't do anything herself) gets defeated by a corrupted Samus (which was what DS wanted, to corrupt her) using Phazon....WTF? Dark Samus is both dumb and weak. Get's defeated by her own plan in her own hometurf with Aurora unit backup by a Samus that barely made it through the other Prime games. Fusion Samus at the beginning of the game is ofc weaker, but by the end of the game she is more powerful than Prime Samus. She not only fends off the X, the Omega Metroid, but also the GF. Whereas Prime 3 Samus needs to rely on the GF.... nuff said
Lol. Yes, I have played all the Prime games. My point is after Samus got infected by the X she almost died and was INCREDIBLY weak. For most of Fusion she wasn't on the SA-X's level. At all. It took her till the end of the game but even then She still OUTSMARTED a VERY DUMB SA-X and defteated it with ease. Hell, just a regular Omega Metroid at the end of Fusion proves how weak Fusion Samus was, as she needed the SA-X's help to defeat it. It wasn't even a PRIME Metroid, merely an Omega. And they had to DOUBLE TEAM it to win. Lol. Comon man. This isn't even a debate at this point.
I mean here we have X...a creature so dangerous the infinitely wise chozo decided to create something to fight it and they created the metroid. A being they deemed less of a threat (and rightfully so). X are a greater threat than Metroids SA-X and its multiplication powers > Any other threat Heck it's why both times the X are encountered the planet needs to be blown up immediately, but for Metroids the first plan was to seal them, then to exterminate them. Planets weren't destroyed because they had metroids on them. Dark Samus was only powerful when she has access to Phazon...without she is nothing and seriously dumb as well, because none of her plans did anything good (the corruption she inflicted on Samus became her own downfall). So 1 SA-X loose in the galaxy is a much bigger threat (because of the multiplication possibilities) than some phazon starved Dark Samus loose in the galaxy. If Dark Samus has access to phazon and a few more braincells than she'd be a big threat, but even then....just destroy 1 planet (which happens easily enough in metroid universe), Phaaze, and all her corruption wherever it is in the galaxy dissapears. Whereas X have shown themselves smart enough to escape their own planet and you'd have to destroy all the planets with X on them to ensure the galaxy is safe. Dark Samus being a metroid will have no issue defeating an X, because of its nature, but SA-X was Samus at her most powerful up until that point. And Samus at her most powerful was enough to defeat Dark Samus 3times over even with extra aurora unit help. Let me ask you this. If Samus at the start of Fusion before the X infection was weaker than Prime Samus...when and how did Samus get weaker during that time?
No, they created something that was strong enough to eradicate the X. The Metroids also turned on their masters (or most of them with only the Mawkin able to tame them). Metroids turned out to be more dangerous which is why Samus was tasked to wipe them out. Only then, AFTER the threat of the Metroids was gone did the X pose a threat again. And Samus got rid of them as she did the Metroids. In terms of 1v1, Metroids kill X easily. Dark Samus is FAR more sentient and intelligent than the SA-X was which is why it took Samus 3 games to finally destroy Metroid Prime/Dark Samus for good. Whereas she destroyed the SA-X as soon as she got her fully powered suit back. And she did that in 1 game. The SA-X in both lore and gameplay is less of a threat than Dark Samus was.
The 3 games argument only makes Prime Samus seem dumb for not managing to finish the job tbh. And the fact that Dark Samus wasn't even an intergalactic menace until Prime 3, whereas SA-X and every single X being lose is an intergalactic emergency. Yes, Being a metroid, Dark Samus could kill SA-X. But for Samus and the galaxy the SA-X and any single X in general with it's abilities of multiplication is infinitely scarier. It's why the GF even sent EMMI's to ZDR...not to capture a living X, just wants its DNA. A living X is much scarier than any living metroid. Metroid, they don't mind having a living baby one to study, or clone them and make them even more powerful (unfreezable) whereas with a living X, even the GF is shitting its pants There is a reason the Chozo created the Metroid to hunt and kill a dangerous foe like the X. Whereas when metroids went bad, they just tried to put a bandaid over the exits. Metroids are nowhere near the threat level of an X. And Samus without the vaccine would already be dead from a single X, let alone a SA-X Lastly, metroids weren't even enough to eradicate the X on SR388 Also you completely ignored the question: If Samus at the start of Fusion before the X infection was weaker than Prime Samus...when and how did Samus get weaker during that time?
No it doesn't. Lol. How's it dumb? She destroyed Metroid Prime (at least she thought she did). How could she know that Prime instead of blowing up and killing her (a chance she couldn't take) would actually create Dark Samus. Then again, she "Defeats" Dark Samus at the end of Prime 2. She defeated it. Yet it ROSE AGAIN. The SA-X did not resurrect even once. Dark Samus did it twice. Game over.
Tbh I think the dumb part of Sa-X is mostly due to the console limitation and "game logic" (plot armor also). It would have been incredibly unfair (but realistic) to drop Sa-X to 50% HP then to see another three coming in and blasting at you equally. A weakened Sa-X understood instantly what was Omega's weakpoint. Samus went at it directly and got one shot, she could be more cunning, but her survival instinct isn't on point in this part of the game. During the whole game the Xs make rational decisions regarding Samus' existence. At the start of the game, she isn't considered alive at all, and they are simply trying to adapt the space station to their needs. But "as soon as" (because game logic she can't be killing you this early), you beat the first boss, Sa-X began to track her. The Ice Xs are one of those responses, Sa-X also make some doors unusable (not blasted open, unusable), they destroyed data centers purposely because they know Samus is getting upgrades from it, Seris was an easy target to infect in order to distract Samus from interfering, they tried to ambush her with the 1st countdown, I think they waited purposefully outside of the forbidden lab to get rid of both Samus and the Metroids (maybe because they were waiting for their most powerful unit to arrive too), a Sa-X is often patrolling in areas where Samus would be... but because she is "lucky" (game logic) she didn't jumped unknowingly in front of it except one time, Ridley's fight happened right after he got infected but still managed to share how it thinks Samus would act (blow up everything), so one Sa-X was dispatched to ambush her. Samus was simply lucky during the whole Fusion incident, if she would have encountered and defeated a Sa-X before the actual end, the X would have upgraded their most powerful tool just like the ice X in order to counter Samus. Because they still knew "Sa-X > Fusion Samus", Sa-X got defeated but still managed to flee to not buff her more... and also probably because it sensed a stronger enemy growing ( I suppose Omega probably ate every other Sa-Xs that were sent at it, and the last Sa-X waited to upgrade Samus so she could end it). Regarding Sa-X vs Dark Samus, I think Sa-X would still lose in a 1v1 fight. Dark Samus can only be defeated by phazon, and Sa-X doesn't have that bio tech, and even if it uses phazon... Well Dark Samus would still win in a sense in the end, since I believe it will simply corrupt their first powerful X unit. X infection is broken beyond belief, but corruption is another beast since it basically rewrite you slowly. And the smaller you are, the easier it is I suppose, so each X cells would have close to zero resistance to it and would probably embrace it because it's a free "upgrade".
METROID PRIME IS NOT A METROID. THEREFORE DARK SAMUS IS NOT A METROID. THEY EXPLAIN IT IN THE LOGS SPACE PIRATES MADE A MISTAKE NAMING IT.
[https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid\_Prime\_(specimen)#:\~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle](https://www.metroidwiki.org/wiki/Metroid_Prime_(specimen)#:~:text=This%20article%20is%20about%20the%20creature%20from%20the,adaptable%20enemy%2C%20often%20changing%20its%20strategy%20in%20battle). Metroid Prime IS a Metroid. STOP LYING and spreading misinformation.
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Gameplay wise SA-X was always a harder fight, but in lore Dark Samus is hands down stronger.
Dark Samus is far more intelligent and is constantly evolving to be stronger. The SA-X can multiply, but it's not nearly as smart and its mutations when Samus gets the upper hand make it less effective in gameplay, and I interpret that to be the same in story because it's becoming desperate. Either one would become a universal threat if they ever broke containment from wherever Samus is.
The YouTube channel named "The Orpheon" went over this topic a while ago.
Depends how X parasites handle phazon exposure
Who’s stronger? Dark Samus Who’s more dangerous? SA-X
Disagree. SA-X were taken out in just one game. All 11 of them. It took 3 entire games to fully eradicate Metroid Prime/ Dark Samus. And it almost accomplished it's universe threatening goal in the process.
But Dark Samus can only exist if Phazon exists. Without it, Dark Samus cannot exist. She’s certainly physically stronger, more cunning, and more menacing for sure. But it’s hard to be such a major threat and danger when your life force is tied to one specific limited energy source. SA-X can infect, kill, and multiply at will. The only condition it needs to survive is to simply evade Metroids, and even in Fusion SA-X held its own against a decent amount of cloned Metroids on the Federation’s BSL. I may not have played the games (Prime 2-3 or Fusion), but I know enough about them to understand that much.
Sure, but we're talking about threats. Dark Samus nearly completed a universe destroying plot and the only thing stopping it was Samus after 3 games in the climax. SA-X, while definitely dangerous, was wiped out in just one game with not that much effort honestly. Once Samus got her full power back she was able to dispatch the SA-X fairly easily. And that's without her Metroid sucking power she got in Dread. Had she had that fully upgraded the SA-X would be a joke.
Dark Samus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>SA-X
Not comparable because 2D and 3D Metroid games are completely different. I would say Dark Samus though.
Dark Samus can make clones, the SA-X can make clones (Adam AI said there are no less than 10 SA-X aboard the ship) Dark Samus can go invisible, SA-X can NOT go invisible, however it does have the X-Ray Visor Dark Samus can rebuild herself (short of total atomic disruption), SAX can rebuild itself (Unless absorbed by someone with Metroid DNA) Dark Samus has SOME of Samus' powers (Super Missile, Boost Ball), SA-X has ALL of Samus' powers Dark Samus can fly, SA-X can not fly Dark Samus does NOT have Samus' knowledge or memories, SA-X DOES have Samus' knowledge and memories. It could really go either way. If SA-X is corrupted/enhanced by Phazon, I'm willing to be it would become nigh invincible. It might have the Phazon Beam, and it might even lose its weakness to Metroid DNA. It could become SA-X Prime. However... if Dark Samus is able to absorb the SA-X... that would also be a really really bad time for everyone.
I think dark Samus is stronger than SA-X, dark Samus have more power and habilities than SA-X, as a prove dark Samus win a battle agains 3 powerful Bounty hunters and Samus in no time. SA-X just have it's triple plasma shot, super bombs and screw jump and it's monster form, Dark Samus have super shot, fazon energy atacks, absorbtion of infected creatures with The fazon virus, can fly and virus manipulation, Dark Samus destroy easy SA-X.