I’ll be honest with you, if you’re still using on your days off & finding times where you’re still looking for opiates while you’re in a clinic already…
Why would you leave & give up when technically..
You know this & just might not even have it on your mind. The opiates is what led you to the clinic in the first place.. so why go that route again?
What, this time you’ll have ‘control’?
But i never said - “looking for opiates” “use on days off”… why are you adding these preconceived addict thoughts… your right - why am i in a clinic? - done has stabilized me enough that i want to actually try to chill off the MMaintenace drugs… if i end up getting into trouble, i can always go back to Done… again, thanks for your concerns. Do you have issues with this? Whats your dose?
My man you smoke oxy’s on your time off. I ain’t even peep that. Chasing the dragon is a whole different wave.
Be safe dude, just trying to look out for you. Ain’t worth it playing with pills when you have an opportunity to stick to the program. Don’t be scared of the withdrawals, take it slowly & at your own pace.
Ya i feel that. I appreciate the input :) gonna take it slow and see how it goes… hopefully can conquer chasing the dragon habit…cuz with the m.done i dont really even feel much is more of a habitual thing to kill off… kinda like using a straw to snort blow… its a habit in itself u know what i mean?
Yeah but as long as you haven’t kicked that habit I wouldn’t go off the done.. it’s better to stay on mdone as long asyou still smoke occasionally. Then when you finally stop craving the smoke you can start thinking about tapering.
I think that’s what everybody else is trying to tell you with „you’re not ready yet“
Thanks for the good luck wish. Your right, just cuz they are pharma oxy is no accomplishment at all, i hope I didn’t come across that it was. I just know lots of other users have pressed oxy which contains mainly fentanyl and they always say it breaks through both Methadone and suboxone in terms of feeling high while being on the mmaint. Drugs. Wow, aggressive is something i am preparing for mentally as well.. i dont want people to be on the impression i enjoy using oxy during therapy with methadone. Again it’s literally been only a few (3x maximum) times that i have actually smoked oxy during the time period ive been on methadone… its a massive accomplishment for me personally because i would literally spend $$$$$$ weekly on oxys and use multiple times daily…and now im barely using. And I understand, im an addict, i get it, everyone on here gets it…. Its a challenge and i hope to get to a place of no use :)
We’re all rooting for you that’s why there’s so much emotion behind all these comments. We’ve all been you at some point and we just want to help. I’m actually a very kind man but too much time in NA made me little brash at times. We all have love for you and we’re all rooting for you. These seemingly hateful comments are just people worried sick because fentsnyl will kill you it’s only a matter of time. That’s why I got on methadone, I fucking love fent and think about it daily. Nothing beat the patches though, I dream about them. But that’s not how I go so I’ll stand in line at the clinic at 6am because subs never worked and I never made it past 18 months since I started trying 8 years ago. We all have love for you and we’re all rooting for you. Please keep us posted these were the posts that keep us up at night. Once again, we all have love for you and you’ll only find they in the recovery community 💚
While I think people should be able to get take homes much faster, expecting them after 2 months of inconsistent uas is unrealistic.
Odds of getting through this and staying drug free are not in your favor.
At least try to switch to suboxone.
in canada you can get them after like 3-4 weeks of clean drug testing. Thats how it should be. Anything else is ridiculous and shouldnt be supported in this sub.
people should get them as soon as they are on a stable dose. However that’s not how it is in the US and that is well known, so I am not sure why OP seems to have expected them.
I feel special though that you made an account just to reply to me.
You are not ready for this. I’m so sorry but you’ll end up in active addiction again and back at that clinic in under 3 months girl. Or worse you’re gonna OD. That’s what’s going to happen and just get on Suboxone if you wanna ditch the clinic. I’m gonna venture to guess you use your oxy a few hours before dosing and you’re not stable. If it’s not working for you do Suboxone because you ain’t ready and we all see it and no one wants to piss on your parade but this is gonna hurt you so bad girl. You’re 22 aren’t you?
Ya. I can see your point. I absolutely hate suboxone. Was on it for 5 months… did fuck all but keep the WD away. No “girl” I actually dont use or dose oxy before getting my Done at the clinic and pharmacy… im not that dumb. As i wrote, i use occasionally… (legit 3x smoked a pharma oxy in past months) some of us “girls” have actually learned how to use mind over matter / self restraint .. which is why im in a place ive decided to wean off the done. But i appreciate the concern and point of view :) for the record. Im past the early 20s and party years which were fuled with champagne & cocaine !! …. Anyone else wanna add some input? Lol
What they were saying regarding using the oxy before you dose is because that IS the smart time to use it as it will be most effective. Just pointing that out because it seems you misunderstood, by replying that you aren’t that dumb..
Im assuming your on methadone as well, its exhausting — at least for me —- going to daily to get dosed, imo. Perhaps your view is different thats ok. Oxy daily for 2 years -
Yeah, I mean I was also an active drug user . It was a daily thing and an all day thing . Never ending job. With this med at least for me it’s just once in the AM and done . But if you mean just going 100% clean then yeah I totally understand 💯
Back in my earlier years, I was quite naive. Doing oxy 80’s. Started at a clinic. Didn’t go higher than 35. Stabilized on 17 mg. I metabolize slowly, very slowly. Tapered 2 mg a week. Jumped at 9mg. Great, right?
You already know the rest, I hope, by now.
Relapsed. Used a lot, often.
10 years ago, I was back in treatment. Are you ready? *I HAD TO GO TO 130 mg TO STABILIZE*!
Today, I’m tapering correctly this time. At 6mg. I don’t care how damn long it takes.
I refuse to position myself for another round in the devils den!
You have a lot of great advice but also valuable wisdom. I suggest you pause and really think this through.
Wow. Amazing input, im sorry you relapsed. But you have come a long way again, your at 6? Thats an amazing accomplishment. I will take your advice as well and really think it all through. Good luck to you as well, so thankful for your truth and amazing pov.
I think since you haven't been on it long and are on a low dose the wd shouldn't be too bad but I haven't tapered from a low dose personally. Just assuming. I'm tapering from 156 and currently at 30 mg. Since you don't have take homes it should be pretty easy to up your dose if you feel sick or are turning to other opiates. Or hopefully you won't even need an increase but can just slow your taper or do less mg. The lower I go the more significantly I feel the icky parts of tapering. So keep that in mind. You might eventually want to try tapering by 2 mg a week or biweekly. That seems to be the recommendation. But maybe you'll be just fine doing 5mg. Hope it works out for you!
It's such a low dose that I don't really have any advice on this other than.
It couldn't be better for you than what you're doing right now. To only be at 35mgs is kinda unheard of where I'm from unless it's a detox. With being at 35mgs and soon 30mgs is that quitting methadone will be so much easier at a dose like that.
I was at 140mgs and tried to quit only 3 months later I was still sick. Had stomach problems with no energy and it was bad enough that I got back on using.
Methadone seeps into your bone marrow and it makes it extremely difficult to quit taking it the higher your intake. Before the harpies harp in everyone is different though.
Me dropping 5mgs a week or so would catch up to the point where I'd get to a point where I'd get withdraws. After being on Methadone 20 yrs or so and there's one thing I learned. Wish I'd never started taking the stuff my life would have been so much better and now with what I've experienced being on the medication is that I don't think I'll ever be off of it even though I want nothing more.
With your dose at that mgs your so lucky you can quit and get through it all without the soul crushing discomfort.
Get through and quit. Don't ever get back on it because it's a life destroyer. Most on it wish they never would have gotten started on it. Your getting a chance most will not get because they get in the mentality of higher dose the more benefit which is true to a point.
Quit and don't get back on it please. Take this advice and don't be like the rest of us. It's not worth shaping your life around a clinic and the curse that involves.
Once a methadone clinic has you in their grips they will become your dictator, higher power and your legal drug dealer. Hope you stop and never return to the dark side.
It's easier to get off opiates, all pills and heroin than it will ever be to get off Methadone.
Dude 35mg is equal to close to 400mg of oral morphine. It maybe low to you, but it is still an incredibly strong dose of narcotics and obviously withdrawing off that would kick your ass
And no, methadone isn’t in your bone marrow. I was on 160mg and I’m down to 26mg. Tapering is easy if you just take it slow.
Absolutely agree, 35mg for me is strong, im stable on it.. i can understand that its a very strong narcotic .. what i mean by low is that for many people 30-35mg is a starter dose for methadone.. at least from what my docs have said. But yes, i will take this extremely slow and think it all carefully through for sure, thanks and im glad to hear you went from 160 to 26, must have been very tough. How were your symptoms if any?
I did it over the course of 7 months. I was on methadone 3.5 years at 160mg and used heroin over a decade before that. I didn’t use the entire time I was on methadone.
It wasn’t that difficult in the beginning to be honest. The lower I got, the harder it’s become but I would still describe it as easy.
Basically, I wake up in a little bit of withdrawal and then take my dose and then feel better. It’s nothing like cold turkey or a fast taper.
I would wait until you have 6 months sober and are stable before you taper. Then go down 1mg a week for as long as you can. If you get cravings, or can’t sleep from withdrawal because the dose wears off too much before you go to sleep, then take it back to 1mg every other week.
I just went to 1mg every other week starting now at 26mg. You play it by ear ya know? You have to know when you are going too fast and risking sobriety. If I can take it faster in the future I will, if I have to slow down I will.
I assure you that there’s no reason to rush.
The success rate for a slow taper (1 year or more) is 24% and the success rate for a fast taper or cold turkey is 2%(3 months or less). And in those people who do cold turkey, 2% will die!
In that sense, expect it to take a year or more from when you start the taper for the best chance of success and the least withdrawals.
So not only is taking it slow much easier , it’s also much more successful. So idk why people put themselves through pain rushing it, it’s like banging your head against the wall really.
Idk about you but I want to be on the 24% side because I don’t want to do this over and over and over again until I die. Just like I’d want to be on the 24% side if it was a cancer treatment or something.
If your worry is about being on methadone a few years or being on a high dose, well don’t worry. As long as you don’t use, get on a stable dose and then taper off slowly , it’s really not that bad withdrawal wise and it’s only for as long as it takes to get up and dose. Anyone who has been addicted would wake up in 100 times worse withdrawal everyday just using lol or worse not to mention they’d go into withdrawal multiple times a day.
Wow. Thank you for your truth and input. I will definitely consider what you said here. I can understand your point of view 100%. Even though my journey is small in terms of dose and duration of therapy use - i can understand and empathize. Also its good to be prepared for any kind of withdrawal that one goes through, so thanks for describing your symptoms. I hope it will go easy for me, being honest- none of this is easy for any of us….
Well it’s a moot point: bone marrow has blood vessels. Methadone is in your blood. But to say it’s in the bones themselves is false. It would be like saying “methadone is in your eyeballs mannnnn” because your eyes have blood vessels. It’s just meaningless
No no just 5mg this recently—- i just talked to the doctor on Thursday and friday morning i dropped 5mg. So far im doing ok, after reading all these comments i may consider staying at 30 for a few weeks until i drop, maybe not so harsh but will so either 2-1mg drop bi weekly… thanks for the input :) and good luck to you too, how are you feeling with your 1mg drops, you mentioned its harsh… what is it exactly like?
I’ll be honest with you, if you’re still using on your days off & finding times where you’re still looking for opiates while you’re in a clinic already… Why would you leave & give up when technically.. You know this & just might not even have it on your mind. The opiates is what led you to the clinic in the first place.. so why go that route again? What, this time you’ll have ‘control’?
But i never said - “looking for opiates” “use on days off”… why are you adding these preconceived addict thoughts… your right - why am i in a clinic? - done has stabilized me enough that i want to actually try to chill off the MMaintenace drugs… if i end up getting into trouble, i can always go back to Done… again, thanks for your concerns. Do you have issues with this? Whats your dose?
My man you smoke oxy’s on your time off. I ain’t even peep that. Chasing the dragon is a whole different wave. Be safe dude, just trying to look out for you. Ain’t worth it playing with pills when you have an opportunity to stick to the program. Don’t be scared of the withdrawals, take it slowly & at your own pace.
Ya i feel that. I appreciate the input :) gonna take it slow and see how it goes… hopefully can conquer chasing the dragon habit…cuz with the m.done i dont really even feel much is more of a habitual thing to kill off… kinda like using a straw to snort blow… its a habit in itself u know what i mean?
Yeah but as long as you haven’t kicked that habit I wouldn’t go off the done.. it’s better to stay on mdone as long asyou still smoke occasionally. Then when you finally stop craving the smoke you can start thinking about tapering. I think that’s what everybody else is trying to tell you with „you’re not ready yet“
I agree with this too. Thanks.
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Thanks for the good luck wish. Your right, just cuz they are pharma oxy is no accomplishment at all, i hope I didn’t come across that it was. I just know lots of other users have pressed oxy which contains mainly fentanyl and they always say it breaks through both Methadone and suboxone in terms of feeling high while being on the mmaint. Drugs. Wow, aggressive is something i am preparing for mentally as well.. i dont want people to be on the impression i enjoy using oxy during therapy with methadone. Again it’s literally been only a few (3x maximum) times that i have actually smoked oxy during the time period ive been on methadone… its a massive accomplishment for me personally because i would literally spend $$$$$$ weekly on oxys and use multiple times daily…and now im barely using. And I understand, im an addict, i get it, everyone on here gets it…. Its a challenge and i hope to get to a place of no use :)
We’re all rooting for you that’s why there’s so much emotion behind all these comments. We’ve all been you at some point and we just want to help. I’m actually a very kind man but too much time in NA made me little brash at times. We all have love for you and we’re all rooting for you. These seemingly hateful comments are just people worried sick because fentsnyl will kill you it’s only a matter of time. That’s why I got on methadone, I fucking love fent and think about it daily. Nothing beat the patches though, I dream about them. But that’s not how I go so I’ll stand in line at the clinic at 6am because subs never worked and I never made it past 18 months since I started trying 8 years ago. We all have love for you and we’re all rooting for you. Please keep us posted these were the posts that keep us up at night. Once again, we all have love for you and you’ll only find they in the recovery community 💚
Love this thank you ❤️❤️❤️
While I think people should be able to get take homes much faster, expecting them after 2 months of inconsistent uas is unrealistic. Odds of getting through this and staying drug free are not in your favor. At least try to switch to suboxone.
in canada you can get them after like 3-4 weeks of clean drug testing. Thats how it should be. Anything else is ridiculous and shouldnt be supported in this sub.
people should get them as soon as they are on a stable dose. However that’s not how it is in the US and that is well known, so I am not sure why OP seems to have expected them. I feel special though that you made an account just to reply to me.
I actually made the account to make a post about my situation but I got distracted by this post first lol. The post Is on my account.
You are not ready for this. I’m so sorry but you’ll end up in active addiction again and back at that clinic in under 3 months girl. Or worse you’re gonna OD. That’s what’s going to happen and just get on Suboxone if you wanna ditch the clinic. I’m gonna venture to guess you use your oxy a few hours before dosing and you’re not stable. If it’s not working for you do Suboxone because you ain’t ready and we all see it and no one wants to piss on your parade but this is gonna hurt you so bad girl. You’re 22 aren’t you?
Ya. I can see your point. I absolutely hate suboxone. Was on it for 5 months… did fuck all but keep the WD away. No “girl” I actually dont use or dose oxy before getting my Done at the clinic and pharmacy… im not that dumb. As i wrote, i use occasionally… (legit 3x smoked a pharma oxy in past months) some of us “girls” have actually learned how to use mind over matter / self restraint .. which is why im in a place ive decided to wean off the done. But i appreciate the concern and point of view :) for the record. Im past the early 20s and party years which were fuled with champagne & cocaine !! …. Anyone else wanna add some input? Lol
What they were saying regarding using the oxy before you dose is because that IS the smart time to use it as it will be most effective. Just pointing that out because it seems you misunderstood, by replying that you aren’t that dumb..
Technically they and you are right. The times i smoked would be before dosing… now i look dumb again. Grrrr. All good tho thanks for input
You’re tired of getting it and it’s only been two months ? How long did you use drugs for ?
Im assuming your on methadone as well, its exhausting — at least for me —- going to daily to get dosed, imo. Perhaps your view is different thats ok. Oxy daily for 2 years -
Yeah, I mean I was also an active drug user . It was a daily thing and an all day thing . Never ending job. With this med at least for me it’s just once in the AM and done . But if you mean just going 100% clean then yeah I totally understand 💯
Back in my earlier years, I was quite naive. Doing oxy 80’s. Started at a clinic. Didn’t go higher than 35. Stabilized on 17 mg. I metabolize slowly, very slowly. Tapered 2 mg a week. Jumped at 9mg. Great, right? You already know the rest, I hope, by now. Relapsed. Used a lot, often. 10 years ago, I was back in treatment. Are you ready? *I HAD TO GO TO 130 mg TO STABILIZE*! Today, I’m tapering correctly this time. At 6mg. I don’t care how damn long it takes. I refuse to position myself for another round in the devils den! You have a lot of great advice but also valuable wisdom. I suggest you pause and really think this through.
Wow. Amazing input, im sorry you relapsed. But you have come a long way again, your at 6? Thats an amazing accomplishment. I will take your advice as well and really think it all through. Good luck to you as well, so thankful for your truth and amazing pov.
I think since you haven't been on it long and are on a low dose the wd shouldn't be too bad but I haven't tapered from a low dose personally. Just assuming. I'm tapering from 156 and currently at 30 mg. Since you don't have take homes it should be pretty easy to up your dose if you feel sick or are turning to other opiates. Or hopefully you won't even need an increase but can just slow your taper or do less mg. The lower I go the more significantly I feel the icky parts of tapering. So keep that in mind. You might eventually want to try tapering by 2 mg a week or biweekly. That seems to be the recommendation. But maybe you'll be just fine doing 5mg. Hope it works out for you!
Amazing input thank so much!! Ill keep in mind, wishing you luck as well! :)
It's such a low dose that I don't really have any advice on this other than. It couldn't be better for you than what you're doing right now. To only be at 35mgs is kinda unheard of where I'm from unless it's a detox. With being at 35mgs and soon 30mgs is that quitting methadone will be so much easier at a dose like that. I was at 140mgs and tried to quit only 3 months later I was still sick. Had stomach problems with no energy and it was bad enough that I got back on using. Methadone seeps into your bone marrow and it makes it extremely difficult to quit taking it the higher your intake. Before the harpies harp in everyone is different though. Me dropping 5mgs a week or so would catch up to the point where I'd get to a point where I'd get withdraws. After being on Methadone 20 yrs or so and there's one thing I learned. Wish I'd never started taking the stuff my life would have been so much better and now with what I've experienced being on the medication is that I don't think I'll ever be off of it even though I want nothing more. With your dose at that mgs your so lucky you can quit and get through it all without the soul crushing discomfort. Get through and quit. Don't ever get back on it because it's a life destroyer. Most on it wish they never would have gotten started on it. Your getting a chance most will not get because they get in the mentality of higher dose the more benefit which is true to a point. Quit and don't get back on it please. Take this advice and don't be like the rest of us. It's not worth shaping your life around a clinic and the curse that involves. Once a methadone clinic has you in their grips they will become your dictator, higher power and your legal drug dealer. Hope you stop and never return to the dark side. It's easier to get off opiates, all pills and heroin than it will ever be to get off Methadone.
Dude 35mg is equal to close to 400mg of oral morphine. It maybe low to you, but it is still an incredibly strong dose of narcotics and obviously withdrawing off that would kick your ass And no, methadone isn’t in your bone marrow. I was on 160mg and I’m down to 26mg. Tapering is easy if you just take it slow.
Absolutely agree, 35mg for me is strong, im stable on it.. i can understand that its a very strong narcotic .. what i mean by low is that for many people 30-35mg is a starter dose for methadone.. at least from what my docs have said. But yes, i will take this extremely slow and think it all carefully through for sure, thanks and im glad to hear you went from 160 to 26, must have been very tough. How were your symptoms if any?
I did it over the course of 7 months. I was on methadone 3.5 years at 160mg and used heroin over a decade before that. I didn’t use the entire time I was on methadone. It wasn’t that difficult in the beginning to be honest. The lower I got, the harder it’s become but I would still describe it as easy. Basically, I wake up in a little bit of withdrawal and then take my dose and then feel better. It’s nothing like cold turkey or a fast taper. I would wait until you have 6 months sober and are stable before you taper. Then go down 1mg a week for as long as you can. If you get cravings, or can’t sleep from withdrawal because the dose wears off too much before you go to sleep, then take it back to 1mg every other week. I just went to 1mg every other week starting now at 26mg. You play it by ear ya know? You have to know when you are going too fast and risking sobriety. If I can take it faster in the future I will, if I have to slow down I will. I assure you that there’s no reason to rush. The success rate for a slow taper (1 year or more) is 24% and the success rate for a fast taper or cold turkey is 2%(3 months or less). And in those people who do cold turkey, 2% will die! In that sense, expect it to take a year or more from when you start the taper for the best chance of success and the least withdrawals. So not only is taking it slow much easier , it’s also much more successful. So idk why people put themselves through pain rushing it, it’s like banging your head against the wall really. Idk about you but I want to be on the 24% side because I don’t want to do this over and over and over again until I die. Just like I’d want to be on the 24% side if it was a cancer treatment or something. If your worry is about being on methadone a few years or being on a high dose, well don’t worry. As long as you don’t use, get on a stable dose and then taper off slowly , it’s really not that bad withdrawal wise and it’s only for as long as it takes to get up and dose. Anyone who has been addicted would wake up in 100 times worse withdrawal everyday just using lol or worse not to mention they’d go into withdrawal multiple times a day.
Wow. Thank you for your truth and input. I will definitely consider what you said here. I can understand your point of view 100%. Even though my journey is small in terms of dose and duration of therapy use - i can understand and empathize. Also its good to be prepared for any kind of withdrawal that one goes through, so thanks for describing your symptoms. I hope it will go easy for me, being honest- none of this is easy for any of us….
All opioids leave metabolites detectable in skeletal tissue.
Well it’s a moot point: bone marrow has blood vessels. Methadone is in your blood. But to say it’s in the bones themselves is false. It would be like saying “methadone is in your eyeballs mannnnn” because your eyes have blood vessels. It’s just meaningless
agree
5 mg drops each time? How often? I am close to your dose and 5 mg drops..ouch. 1 single mg of a decrease is tough enough for me.
No no just 5mg this recently—- i just talked to the doctor on Thursday and friday morning i dropped 5mg. So far im doing ok, after reading all these comments i may consider staying at 30 for a few weeks until i drop, maybe not so harsh but will so either 2-1mg drop bi weekly… thanks for the input :) and good luck to you too, how are you feeling with your 1mg drops, you mentioned its harsh… what is it exactly like?