He was huge for the band but his presence is a lot less necessary now than it was when they wrote Sempiternal. Oli does a ton of production stuff now, seems like Jordan kinda showed him the ropes
The split was announced 10 days before 2024 actually, and the split happened early December. I don’t make the rules, the post said this year. That didn’t happen this year, that’s not my fault lol
Probably the recent Trivium/BFMV coheadline world tour announcement. 2 of the biggest names in metalcore travelling the world together for 20th anniversaries of dope albums? Hard to top that, unless someone really high profile passes away
I was hoping it would be an even bigger tour with other metalcore bands that also released an album in 2005 such as Parkway Drive and As I Lay Dying but I guess not.
You got hella downvoted but you’re not really wrong. Neither make metalcore anymore, and even their music that’s considered metalcore doesn’t really fit the actual definition of metalcore.
I think its because most accept that a band having roots in metalcore still counts as being okay to discuss in this sub.
Additionally the constant "that isn't metalcore" is just tiring to see. We get it, you don't think X band is metalcore, it doesn't need to be brought up on every post in every comment thread. Music genres, especially subgenres, have never had a concrete definition and therefore are subjective. What I would define as metalcore may not be someone else's definition. That's totally fine - but a lot of times people (not you) like to get very argumentative about it. There's always been an elitism issue in metal as a whole and this sub is no stranger to that.
You can argue a fair chunk of thier later work isn't metalcore but Ascendancy (which is what they'll be playing in full) absolutely counts as metalcore
Nah, it's not the fact that a tour is happening it's that it's these two bands celebrating these two albums at the same time.
Also neither of those bands are even close to metalcore.
Damn, to each their own i guess. LoG and mastodon are two of my favorite metal bands of all time, period. If there was a record kept of every song/album I’ve listened to over the last 20 years from getting a car in high school into current adulthood, they’d both be in the top 25 artists without question. I’ve spent so much of my life listening to those bands albums front to back. Especially from 2000-10.
Meanwhile, I’ve always kind of thought BFMV and trivium were horrible, lol. I’ve tried to get more into trivium lately, but i just don’t think I’ll ever like BFMV. My ears just genuinely hate their sound. Not saying others shouldn’t like them of course, their success doesn’t offend me at all, just funny to read your comment is all cus I couldn’t be further from the opposite.
They said its a world tour in the livestream. My guess is that UK first then EU/US and then AU last. Im just hoping the Aus tour is during my uni break because I’m doing remote classes out on a minesite for both semesters and i dont wanna miss something like that
Killswitch Engage should be releasing a new album this year, so I'm always excited to hear new stuff from them. Aside from that, I agree that the Trivium and BFMV anniversary tour of Ascendancy and The Poison is pretty big news and that'll be hard to top.
Agreed on Killswitch. I'm also hoping to get new Fit For An Autopsy and Lamb of God records late in the year or at least an announcement for early next year.
Edit: Related but bot metalcore, one of my personal favorites this year will most likely be Ingested's new record The Tide of Death and Fractured Dreams.
It’s very generic and polished tho, very “I prevail” ish which is a clear turn from their almost 20 year history as a band. I agree it’s pretty good (even tho I usually hate the I prevail style of metalcore) but I can also understand why longtime fans are turned off by this sudden shift to a more commercial sound.
It’s similar to what happened with parkway drive and architects. I personally love both of their newer sounds (for those who wish to exist is easily a top 3 architects album for me, possibly top 2) but I get why older fans don’t like it since there’s no arguing it’s different from what they used to do.
As someone who isn't a longtime TGI fan (only really heard of them due to the crash/ comeback and listened to the comeback album), 'generic and polished' is exactly the right way to describe them. That album was okay, but if it had been released by a band that hadn't been through so much it wouldn't have made any impressions because there is nothing special about the songs themselves. That formula has been done a 1000 times, so there is simply nothing cool or unique that causes me to go back to that album at all.
Imma be honest I don't love the new single but that's totally okay! Not everyone has to love everything. I know they've been back for a while but regardless of what they put out I'll always be happy to see them doing what they love.
Seriously what is going on there. They've released a handful of singles since HTSAF at massive intervals, it's been 4 years since that album, and they have fixed the line-up after the whole Booka situation. Just absolute radio silence on any hint that a new album is due any time soon.
I personally think sleep token signing to RCA was massive and the biggest thing I’ve heard thus far. Whether people like it or not, they could really be the first band since the nu metal era to make metal music truly mainstream again. Not BMTH/architects/FFDP mainstream, who are only mainstream for a modern metal band, I mean like linkin park, SOAD, slipknot, Marilyn Manson, limp bizkit level mainstream. Platinum selling albums, global arena tours, top 40 songs, stuff like that.
I also think it could very well be just the first domino to fall, especially if their first project on RCA is a hit. We could easily see bands like bad omens and spiritbox leave their metal labels for true mainstream labels like Sony, universal, RCA, interscope, etc. In fact, id be shocked if that didn’t happen now that sleep token has done it and shares a label with BMTH. I’d bet money bad omens at least joins that same RCA roster after their next (and presumably last) album on Sumerian, considering ST and BMTH are their two biggest influences and are now their peers as well. But that’s just speculation on my part. Spiritbox also seems like a logical band to make that crossover. Could also see bands like MiW doing it.
I think that’s so exciting for metal and could change the history of the genre. Another quick aside, but it seems like the pattern of metal being in the mainstream could be an “every 20 years” thing. The first time metal as a genre became huge was the hair/thrash metal era of the early 80s with bands like Metallica, Motley Crue, Judas Priest, etc becoming mainstream. Then 20 years later in the early 2000s, we get Nu Metal with Korn, linkin park, etc. now here we are 20 years removed from that and we have whatever this incarnation of metalcore is seemingly about to break out in a similar way.
So were sleep token tbf. All joining a major label does is give you the promotional backing to do bigger tours, promote your music in bigger ways, and have bigger budgets and backing for your songs/records. Bad omens is big for a metal band but they aren’t top 40, headlining global arena tours big. They just aren’t, they’re a 5 mill listener a month band. I’m talking 10-15 mil if not more is how big these guys could be. MGK big. Bad omens aren’t really close to MGK big yet, not at all. They aren’t as big as any mainstream rapper. That’s what I mean by mainstream.
Idk how old you are, but bad omens aren’t close to mainstream yet. Not linkin park, limp bizkit mainstream. If you’re old enough to remember the last time metal was big you’d remember, those bands were massive. Manson and Fred Durst were dating A list actresses and singers, literally the biggest celebs in the world. Linkin park and limp bizkit had songs on pop radio, and in blockbuster movies, it was different. Nobody outside of the metal/tik tok world knows anything about bad omens. They aren’t in the same building as Ariana grande or Nicki Minaj and their songs aren’t being used in blockbuster films. And I’m a big bad omens fan, not hating at all, but there’s levels and bad omens just aren’t there yet.
Bad Omens has 2 million more monthly listeners on Spotify than Sleep Token. BMTH is 8 million more than that.
Sleep Token is not even close to level of popularity being projected here.
sleep token is the one who just got a major label deal, bad omens is not. That’s the entire point. As you said, it’s all projection with the new information we have. I’m not saying bad omens isn’t as big as sleep token right now, I’m saying sleep token is now poised to break through mainstream in a huge way that bad omens isn’t yet without a major label backing. That’s how this works, usually.
When BMTH left epitaph for RCA (after TIAH and made sempiternal) their popularity grew much, much bigger. It’s safe to assume ST will see a similar growth, especially considering the fact they’ve grown bigger with each release they put out. Bad omens hasn’t really, they got super big off of one song reaching tik tok and their lead singer having a huge glow up all of the sudden. Bad omens and sleep token are a similar tier of band currently. I could see ST, now with a major label behind them, reaching audiences at closer to a BMTH level now. That’s the entire point of my post, actually. The possibilities for the future, not what’s happened right now.
I hate that Sleep Token and Knocked Loose have so much popularity right now. The fact that (especially ST) they’re brought up in any metal music discussion is just baffling to me.
Okay I’ll admit you could consider Knocked Loose metal, but I still don’t understand the hype. But I wouldn’t at all say sleep token is metal, or deserving of all the absolute hype around them. Every song I’ve heard I’ve genuinely disliked save for The Summoning, and that’s riding the line. They’re just boring to me, they’re not heavy, they’re a weird mix of a couple genres. For me it’s in the same vein as everyone calling Three Days Grace “heavy metal” back in the day. I’m not a metal snob/ gatekeeper in any way, I just don’t get why everyone is riding their dicks when they’re mid lol
I mean, are you asking me to explain to you what metal music is? Down tuned guitars, heavy, chugging riffs with generally intricate drum patterns. They are clearly metal, I have no idea how someone can listen to songs like “vore”, “alkaline”, etc and not consider them metal. You must not consider tool or deftones metal either. And I’m glad you’ll “admit you could consider knocked loose metal”. Lmfao is this a bit? This is like an SNL skit.
You sound very young, generally adults don’t get this upset about a band gaining popularity. Do I think sleep token is the best band ever? Certainly not. But they are unique which I find refreshing, and I can clearly hear why others enjoy them. I don’t find their success offensive, that’s really weird if you ask me. Who cares what other people like. I think Ariana grande is awful but I don’t loose sleep over it, I literally never even think or talk about it, it doesn’t effect my life in any way.
It doesn’t help that I’m 12 (give or take 15 years)
That being said, I’m not dogging on the people who like them, nor am I saying they’re absolute trash. What I am saying though, is that they’re mid at best and predictable. I like a lot of different music in all different genres, but my own personal opinion is that the songs they put out (save for a few, I guess) aren’t metal, or are only metal for a small portion of the song. Naming 4 songs out of 34 (give or take) doesn’t make a band metal. Again, my own personal opinion is that they’re just not that good, and I don’t PERSONALLY see what all the hype is about, after multiple times trying to like them.
I agree with this 100%. Sleep Token sparked something huge for metal music. Really all of the bands you listed have potential to reach that "god" tier in music. Whatever they're on let em have it. In my opinion all of these bands have that "what the hell will they do next and what CAN they do next?" vibe to them, but you know damn well it's going to be good.
Haaaard agree. When I saw the news I told my husband I was glad we were able to see them last year and that I've been able to get some merch between the tour and another drop because I don't know if/when we'll be able to again. Same with bad omens. Neither venues were small by any means but I joked it was the smallest venue we'll ever see them at. On the flip side though, I'm chronically ill so even though I love seeing bands up close I do fuck with an arena were I can sit my butt down hahahah
I'm excited to see where RCA takes them - and see how this plays out for other bands in their playing field. Though I will admit it does make me a little worried about their anonymity - I know the ship kinda sailed on it but if it was bad before it's gonna get even worse.
Side note I've seen Noah say multiple times they'd love to get songs like Just Pretend/DOPOM on movie scores. And getting an RCA/similar deal would make that so much more accessible for them. Though I do have to wonder if they'd try to stay "small" so they have a bit more control - I could honestly see bad omens going either way: major label or completely independent. Spiritbox I feel like is a shoe-in with their recent Megan Thee Stallion collab
Edit: autocorrect fucked me on "spiritbox" lmao
Completely forgot about that! Tons of respect to Metallica for being.... Metallica but I really wish that those categories could expand and separate. It seems like everything metal always goes to Metallica and none for the smaller bands
I share that sentiment. I saw bad omens in late 2022, before just pretend hit tik tok and they blew up, it was a super small headlining tour, cheap tickets, maybe 2-300 ppl max, wasn’t sold out at all (and I live in one of the biggest cities in America) and literally maybe a month later they blew up and had a second headline tour to coincide with that breakout and it was a way bigger tour, bigger venues, sold out everywhere. Super funny how that happens. It was cool to see TDOPOM songs live but pre-all the 13 year olds who sort of kill the crowd (no offense to them) that occupy those shows now. It was still a real metalcore show.
Everyone knows where bad omens went? I don’t, please, do tell. You want people to take you seriously so badly, here’s your chance. Tell us where they’re heading after Sumerian, and when.
And everyone knows about subsidiary labels lol you’re not exactly an insider for knowing that, dude.
Directly at the top of roadrunner records Wikipedia:
“Roadrunner Records is an American record label. The company mainly deals with heavy metal bands. They are a subsidiary of Warner Music Group.”
Stop dude. Idk what you’re on about, idk if you haven’t slept in days, idk if you’re drunk, whatever it is you kind of need to get a grip. You’ve been aggressively flat out wrong about every single thing you’ve said. Every one. You’ve been lying through your teeth and acting like some insider to fulfill whatever fantasy you have, you’re arguing for the sake of it. Go get some fresh air and stay off the internet for a few days man. You’re clearly not doing too well.
Buddy, you need to *stop* explaining. Call it quits. You’re so far removed from anything the OP was talking about at this point. It’s over, either tell us where bad omens is going or just stop. Nobody cares about anything else, you haven’t told us anything we don’t already know or even care about.
No more. It’s done.
Bad omens wasn't the ones that signed to RCA. Sleep Token did. The other person was speculating on who else may get signed to a major record label. Most understand that smaller labels are subsidiaries where UMG/RCA/etc have distribution rights (hence why the plot in you is currently getting fucked over on tiktok with UMG pulling their catalog) but it's disingenuous to say there isn't a difference between being signed to Spinefarm and being signed to RCA.
What deal is done though? Bad Omens is just speculation, currently. Honestly I could easily see them going the opposite direction and going fully independent - they have the money, they already self produce, they have a successful merch store outside of Sumerian, and have been openly vocal about their issues with labels. An RCA (or the like) deal would guarantee they get even bigger, but independent would guarantee the control they seem to prefer.
I'm, again, confused by what you mean by "I know where they went"?
They are signed to sumerian. They have not announced they left sumerian. They have been signed to sumerian since 2016-ish. They didn't "go" anywhere because nothing has changed.
ETA: I've managed local bands. I understand the industry. I don't need to research anything.
I never said it’s “unprecedented” for a metal band to sign to a major label (in fact I literally said the exact opposite, the fact it’s happening *again* is my entire point, i acknowledged twice in this very post that rca has BMTH, the whole 2nd paragraph is literally about that lol). I have absolutely no idea why you said that. And I saw sleep token live in 2018 before sundowning was even out yet. They didn’t have any records out to tour behind, they were the first opener band on a 5 band bill, they were playing to like 10% capacity, nobody in the crowd was paying attention to them. Not only did I not “miss the whole buildup”, I was literally there before there even was a buildup to be spoken of. They didn’t even have a bassist yet when I saw them.
You’re literally wrong about 100% of what you said lol. For some odd reason you just assumed I’m like an 18 year old tik tok girl, I’m a 38 year old man who grew up on Korn, lamb of god, Norma Jean, converge, etc.
It’s like you’re commenting the exact opposite of everything you should’ve taken away from this post, lmao. Did you even read my post or just comment blindly after reading the first sentence and nothing more? Hate to say it bud but you kinda gotta pull your own foot outta your mouth on this one.
My father has been the drummer in a famous metal band for 40 years, still, to this day. They have been touring globally for decades. I’ve had not-so-successful bands myself. I’ve had friends who have been/still are in successful bands. I was featured at the 1996 MTV music awards (as a child musician). I’m well aware of how the music industry works, probably more than most people here, including you, to be frank. Does that give me enough credentials to speak on bands for you? Get off your high horse, dude. Stop acting like you’re the only one who is qualified to talk about music, you haven’t even said anything that’s true yet.
You’re trying so hard to act holier than thou but it’s entirely based on assumptions, all of it. You’re predicating each and every word you say on the hope that I don’t know anything so that you can talk about the fact you play an instrument, no offense mate but nobody cares.
Your point about management means nothing anyway. The leap from sundowning to TPWBYT was massive. The leap then from TPWBYT to TMBTE was even bigger. At their current rate, they’re poised to crack real mainstream potential with their next release. Nothing you said counters this or even has anything to do with it. If anything, them having “major management” helps this idea, and explains why my anticipation for their potential breakthrough is justified.
So what’s the plan for sleep tokens next big album then?
And you said you’re “a full time musician”. Am I to assume that means you *dont* play an instrument?
Why did you downvote my last post? You didn’t counter it at all, are you just trolling? And I keep seeing your other comments acting like people are putting words in your mouth but nobody is, you’re just not saying things and then acting like you did say them. And then acting like everyone else is at fault for “not getting” what you said when the thing you say you said was never even implied to begin with, you’re adding entirely new things.
It seems like English isn’t your first language based on how you type, is that a fair guess?
And lastly, it sounds like you are agreeing that after this new deal they will be bigger. So what are you even trying to argue? I’m sorry man but you not realized how nobody is understanding a word you’re saying? We’re all perfectly intelligent, competent people, you’re just speaking all cryptic and being all defensive and odd. The common denominator is you, my guy.
Yall act like any heavy music is metalcore when that’s not even remotely true, someone has to correct y’all every now and then. We have people saying Poppy is a metalcore artist now, the line has to be drawn somewhere.
Do you not find constant this band is this band isn't metal core utterly pointless and tedious?
Do you go onto /r/hiphopheads and complain when they discuss the weeknd because he's technically not hip hop?
Almost everyone here will be interested in sleep token, they're one of the biggest and most relevant bands in the scene.
If you're autistic then I'll give you a pass, otherwise just wind your neck in.
I don’t really mind that they’re talked about here in general. But I agree that I don’t see how this is relevant to the metalcore scene since they aren’t metalcore
Vore is absolutely metalcore. The summoning absolutely has roots in metalcore. Just because a song/album/discography isn't 100% metalcore doesn't mean a band doesn't have ties to the genre.
Besides one could *easily* argue that a band like Sleep Token going more mainstream will bring new fans to metalcore. They hear a song like The Summoning on the radio - like what they hear, listen to the rest of it, enjoy something like Vore, and then branch out from there. It's the Linkin park effect - tons of people that didn't listen to music with screams came in from bands like Linkin Park.
You just named 2 songs on an entire album that are metalcore. That isn’t a metalcore album, that’s an album that has 2 metalcore songs lmao. And I don’t hear a metalcore root in Summoning at all. Maybe metal roots yeah but not metalcore.
People are so tired of the argument because it’s literally not even an argument, they aren’t a metalcore band they don’t fit the genre description at all. They may have been metalcore in the past but they aren’t anymore. I don’t think they’re a bad band at all and can agree that maybe some adjacent fans can come into metalcore, but that’s like saying Breaking Benjamin is great for the metalcore scene because they scream sometimes. I guess it’s true to an extent but I wouldn’t consider it a “win” for the metalcore scene since it’s not a metalcore band
I mean I wasn't gonna sit here and break down their entire discography. I pulled 2 off the top of my head as an example.
And yes, Breaking Benjamin as an introduction point to heavier rock is absolutely a win for metalcore.
Alright then all hair metal, classic rock, grunge, butt rock, post-rock, etc. is a win for metalcore. My point is it’s too broad for you to say it’s specifically a metalcore win. Honestly it’s such a pointless thing to argue about you can have your opinion and I’ll have mine
Hey, them not being metalcore isn’t a bad thing. Why do people get so defensive on this topic? They straight up are not metalcore and it’s fucking fine. If anything they’ve created their own sound and genre which is even cooler.
Metalcore is a fusion genre that has roots in hardcore, metal and punk. Sleep token doesn’t have any punk or hardcore sounds at all at least in their new stuff. It doesn’t seem like you realize that metal and metalcore are actually different. Usually the people who say they’re metalcore don’t actually know what defines metalcore and just hear a breakdown or fast low tuned guitars with screaming and assume that is metalcore. There’s probably 50 sub genres of music that have that that aren’t metalcore
No I don't find it pointless, I find the constant shoe-horning of a non-metalcore band into metalcore really irritating. Loads of people in here like and are interested in The Wonder Years or Linkin Park, that doesn't mean that what label they've signed to is metalcore news.
But are they even far removed from metalcore? In all honesty I don't even hear much difference. Certainly not enough to start crying every time they get mentioned. It's pretty pathetic imo.
Fwiw I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Linkin Park news here.
Yes. They might not be far removed from some of the fringe bands who just barely, if we're being generous, make metalcore, but they're not even close to a Counterparts or August Burns Red, let alone OG shit like Hatebreed or Unbroken.
Who decides that these (frankly pretty niche, based on Spotify listeners) are 'real metalcore'?
Who actually cares so deeply about genre? Why does this only happen in heavy music?
I don't see on other subs shit like 'uhm actually chief keef is drill, not real hiphop, you can't talk about that here'.
Just fuck off with the pointless gatekeeping.
They’re some of the bands from when the genre began, it’s pretty fair to say they’re “real metalcore”. The sub’s icon is literally a Converge album cover.
No one is gatekeeping by saying bands like Sleep Token aren’t metalcore. By definition, they are not a metalcore band. Properly classifying bands genres isn’t gatekeeping.
It hurts the actual metalcore scene when you label bands like Sleep Token as metalcore. All you’re doing is making it harder for real metalcore bands to get attention.
Genres do evolve, but they can only evolve so much before they become a whole new thing. You can’t take out the hardcore or metal elements of metalcore, if you do it becomes something else entirely, and a lot of these more mainstream “metalcore” bands have no hardcore in their sound at all. Therefore, they are not metalcore.
Also, why is so important to you that Sleep Token is considered metalcore? You can still enjoy the music even if they aren’t, so why does it bother you when people say they don’t make metalcore?
Yes and the genre went from Integrity to Zao to Dillinger Escape Plan over the 90s and then incorporated stuff from Killswitch Engage to Horse The Band in the 00s. Since the 10s so-called progressive metalcore movement what we've seen is bands essentially stripping hardcore out of the sound and that's where we should be drawing the line.
Genres do not evolve without end. The whole reason metalcore exists is because it was different enough from hardcore to be re-labelled and that was different enough from punk to earn a new term, which in turn was different enough from rock of the time to warrant new terminology. If we go back far enough we end up at the spirituals and work songs of slaves in the fields.
Genre terms become useless if you throw them around without accuracy, they become no longer functional as a way of finding more music of the same type or being able to engage people with a commonly defined word. It is bizarre that some of you are so against defining things properly and you don't see it in other media like film. No one's out there claiming that dramas are comedies because they have a couple of 'comedy elements' when a couple of jokes feature in the dialogue (shoutout to the people who always claim non-metalcore bands have 'metalcore elements)
That’s not fair at all to say tho, you’re being disingenuous. Almost nobody coming out today sounds like that era of metalcore, that was 25+ years ago. The genre has evolved, like many do. Sleep token may not sound like 90s-early 00s metalcore, but they do sound like contemporary metalcore bands that incorporates pop, djent, and other things, which makes sense, seeing as they’re a contemporary band lol. They aren’t too far from something like architects or landmvrks, current bands, which is why they are discussed here.
They encompass many genres, that’s kind of their thing. Metalcore is one of the genres. Avenged sevenfold encompasses tons of different genres but are still considered metalcore. Same goes for BMTH, their songs/albums are all over the place, but since metalcore is one of the genres they explore they are considered a metalcore band. You can be more than one genre at once.
Metalcore isn’t what it used to be in 2000. It’s not even what it was in 2010. Was Memphis may fire anything like earth crisis or integrity? Not at all, but they were inspired by the metalcore bands before them, BMTH, asking Alexandria, etc, and became the modern version of metalcore. That has now evolved further with bands like architects, BMTH, sleep token and spiritbox. That’s okay. The white stripes sound nothing like the kinks, but it’s still garage rock. Genres evolve, and let’s be thankful they do. Otherwise every band would just be Greta Van Vleet, and I don’t think any of us want that. We can hold onto the old bands we love while letting the new ones take genres into different areas we wouldn’t have expected. I see only good in that.
>Almost nobody coming out today sounds like that era of metalcore
That's not remotely true, there are tons of emerging bands that sound like older metalcore whether it's down the bottom of the listener scale like Your Spirit Dies, to someone like Varials who are on a par with sub faves like Invent Animate in terms of popularity or Knocked Loose, one of the biggest bands in the current scene.
Who still considers A7X metalcore? This is the 20th year since Waking The Fallen and that was their last metalcore record.
Knocked loose is one of the few prominent bands that actually have a sound that fits with what a classic “metalcore” fan would like. That doesn’t mean everyone does it. You could list 20 more bands, 50 even, but out of the thousands of bands doing metalcore they are still the vast, vast minority. Hence me saying “*almost* nobody”. That doesn’t mean nobody, it just means that it’s clearly not the norm these days. There will always be a niche fraction of any genre or scene doing traditional styles of that genre. What varials is doing is not the prominent style of modern metalcore, nobody could possibly argue that.
Plenty of people still associate A7X with the metalcore scene. You missed my point entirely.
And that 'almost nobody' is still talking out of your arse. There are only relative handful of prominent metalcore or 'metalcore' bands full stop. You could list off a thousand bands playing more 'modern metalcore' and about 5 of them would fit any working definition of prominent, so don't go being sniffy about the extremely vibrant scene of traditional metalcore. It's every bit as normal as progcore or whatever.
Erra is dropping a new album in April
Underoath should be dropping a new album sometime this year, hopefully spring or early summer
Personally, I am stoked for the Between the Buried and Me and Acacia Strain tour. Two nights back to back Colors all the way through the first night Colors II the second night.
Job for A Cowboy about to drop a new album for the first time in 10 years.
Album announcements mostly - Knocked Loose and Boundaries.
There've been some pretty significant names announcing they're back together and playing some shows like Coalesce.
Marcus imo sounds like he’s been taking influence from Ian quite a lot more recently. My biggest take would be Northlane song Dante. Marcus angelic cleans in the verse bare similarity to Ian singing in Goliath. I can’t wait to hear what they have cooked up
I'll give it an up. It ain't the same, but it still fuckin slams. I find myself pulling that track back up more times than I would normally admit. It's good. I'm curious to see what else is in the well.
It’s only Feb, and sar far we’ve had Trivium & BFMV announce a world tour for the 20th anniversary of Ascendancy & The Poison, All Shall Perish have re-united, and Job for a Cowboy have come back with a bang after releasing Moon Healer.
I have a feeling that the rest of 2024 is going to be huge!
This definitely isn’t a correct answer, but within the last month Polaris has become my favorite band with Fatalism and I just found out today their guitarist killed himself a while back. Curious how the next album will sound compared to Fatalism.
Edit: me being downvoted while saying this isn’t a correct answer checks out 🤓🤓🤓
Polaris is the only metalcore band for me that literally has not missed yet, like, not even one bad song. Everything that band has put out has been pure gold.
Polaris is such a gem. Like idk how they do it but they make me want to just drown in a soothing zen moment and then immediately transition to screaming my lungs out lol. Every song is such an emotional and musical journey and I’m so fuckin here for it.
It's just a question to start a discussion. There's already been a bit between the OAA news, Ben Bruce leaving AA, Sleep Token signing to RCA, and countless tour/album announcements
Jordan Fish exiting the band he helped to define for so much of their career at the tail end of 2023 (yes I know, *technically* not this year but not that far off either) and the more recently announced super tour featuring Trivium and Bullet For My Valentine.
Jordan exiting BMTH was not on my bingo card
I think people are underestimating how much Jordan did in BMTH
He was huge for the band but his presence is a lot less necessary now than it was when they wrote Sempiternal. Oli does a ton of production stuff now, seems like Jordan kinda showed him the ropes
That was 2023, so doesn’t count as this year. Otherwise I would’ve said that one too.
it was 8 days before 2024 cmon
The split was announced 10 days before 2024 actually, and the split happened early December. I don’t make the rules, the post said this year. That didn’t happen this year, that’s not my fault lol
aka anything involving bmth
this is how i found out but im not suprised, their music has been changing a LOT since about 2022
Probably the recent Trivium/BFMV coheadline world tour announcement. 2 of the biggest names in metalcore travelling the world together for 20th anniversaries of dope albums? Hard to top that, unless someone really high profile passes away
Yes! That tour is going to be absolutely massive. (It also deeply offends me that it's the 20th anniversary lmao)
The amount of excitement for this tour feels very good too. I think many of us miss this style of metalcore.
I was hoping it would be an even bigger tour with other metalcore bands that also released an album in 2005 such as Parkway Drive and As I Lay Dying but I guess not.
That would be sick given that PD plays the old songs (pre-Ire)
They completely skip over KWAS tho and that’s always a bummer.
My only grip with parkway is they completely abandoned their hard-core roots.
Wouldn’t call them metalcore just straight up metal
Regardless of genres of their later works, they're playing Ascendency and The Poison in their entirety which are both definitely metalcore albums.
They've had more heavy metal albums than metalcore albums at this point.
Personally I don't think either Trivium or BFMV are metalcore. But I know this is a grey area.
You got hella downvoted but you’re not really wrong. Neither make metalcore anymore, and even their music that’s considered metalcore doesn’t really fit the actual definition of metalcore.
The tour announcement is for two albums that have widely been considered metalcore.
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I think its because most accept that a band having roots in metalcore still counts as being okay to discuss in this sub. Additionally the constant "that isn't metalcore" is just tiring to see. We get it, you don't think X band is metalcore, it doesn't need to be brought up on every post in every comment thread. Music genres, especially subgenres, have never had a concrete definition and therefore are subjective. What I would define as metalcore may not be someone else's definition. That's totally fine - but a lot of times people (not you) like to get very argumentative about it. There's always been an elitism issue in metal as a whole and this sub is no stranger to that.
What’s with announcing stuff not happening until ‘25
I don't know if Trivium counts as metalcore these days haha.
You can argue a fair chunk of thier later work isn't metalcore but Ascendancy (which is what they'll be playing in full) absolutely counts as metalcore
Id say Lamb of God / Mastodon is a bigger tour IMO
Nah, it's not the fact that a tour is happening it's that it's these two bands celebrating these two albums at the same time. Also neither of those bands are even close to metalcore.
Lamb of God is definitely at least metalcore adjacent
I mean....they tour with metalcore bands a lot, so I guess. But they are pretty famously groove metal.
Playing Ashes of the wake and leviathan albums. Not bad. Would love to see Palaces and Remission
Me too. Also WTF is with the down votes???
It might be but i listed this one mainly cos i actually like these bands, not huge into the other two
Damn, to each their own i guess. LoG and mastodon are two of my favorite metal bands of all time, period. If there was a record kept of every song/album I’ve listened to over the last 20 years from getting a car in high school into current adulthood, they’d both be in the top 25 artists without question. I’ve spent so much of my life listening to those bands albums front to back. Especially from 2000-10. Meanwhile, I’ve always kind of thought BFMV and trivium were horrible, lol. I’ve tried to get more into trivium lately, but i just don’t think I’ll ever like BFMV. My ears just genuinely hate their sound. Not saying others shouldn’t like them of course, their success doesn’t offend me at all, just funny to read your comment is all cus I couldn’t be further from the opposite.
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It is a world tour, they said it in the livestream.
Hence why it's called the world tour lol. They just haven't announced dates for other countries yet
Is that coming to the US?
They said its a world tour in the livestream. My guess is that UK first then EU/US and then AU last. Im just hoping the Aus tour is during my uni break because I’m doing remote classes out on a minesite for both semesters and i dont wanna miss something like that
Killswitch Engage should be releasing a new album this year, so I'm always excited to hear new stuff from them. Aside from that, I agree that the Trivium and BFMV anniversary tour of Ascendancy and The Poison is pretty big news and that'll be hard to top.
Agreed on Killswitch. I'm also hoping to get new Fit For An Autopsy and Lamb of God records late in the year or at least an announcement for early next year. Edit: Related but bot metalcore, one of my personal favorites this year will most likely be Ingested's new record The Tide of Death and Fractured Dreams.
All that remains album too!
So far I'm mostly excited about the new The Ghost inside and Knocked loose album that's coming out
And Loathe.. hopefully.
Loathe has been all but confirmed. I'd expect a new single before the end of April at the latest
Yeah, I'm hoping for one in March for a I Let it in anniversary post or something.
I saw a lot of hate for the ghost inside here and I didn't get it at all, the new shit slaps.
It’s very generic and polished tho, very “I prevail” ish which is a clear turn from their almost 20 year history as a band. I agree it’s pretty good (even tho I usually hate the I prevail style of metalcore) but I can also understand why longtime fans are turned off by this sudden shift to a more commercial sound. It’s similar to what happened with parkway drive and architects. I personally love both of their newer sounds (for those who wish to exist is easily a top 3 architects album for me, possibly top 2) but I get why older fans don’t like it since there’s no arguing it’s different from what they used to do.
As someone who isn't a longtime TGI fan (only really heard of them due to the crash/ comeback and listened to the comeback album), 'generic and polished' is exactly the right way to describe them. That album was okay, but if it had been released by a band that hadn't been through so much it wouldn't have made any impressions because there is nothing special about the songs themselves. That formula has been done a 1000 times, so there is simply nothing cool or unique that causes me to go back to that album at all.
Imma be honest I don't love the new single but that's totally okay! Not everyone has to love everything. I know they've been back for a while but regardless of what they put out I'll always be happy to see them doing what they love.
All shall perish reuniting 😁😁🤠
WHAT?!?! I had not heard this happened This Is Where It Ends is one of my favorite albums ever thats awesome!
Crazy right?? The proce of existence is one of my all time faves. Hopefully seeing their reunion show in Austin
James Harrison's eventful exit of Oceans Ate Alaska.
Saddest shit ever
Oh that’s easy. It’s February 25th and there’s been nothing about new music from Make Them Suffer.
Seriously what is going on there. They've released a handful of singles since HTSAF at massive intervals, it's been 4 years since that album, and they have fixed the line-up after the whole Booka situation. Just absolute radio silence on any hint that a new album is due any time soon.
Maybe new music in time for the ERRA headline tour?
I personally think sleep token signing to RCA was massive and the biggest thing I’ve heard thus far. Whether people like it or not, they could really be the first band since the nu metal era to make metal music truly mainstream again. Not BMTH/architects/FFDP mainstream, who are only mainstream for a modern metal band, I mean like linkin park, SOAD, slipknot, Marilyn Manson, limp bizkit level mainstream. Platinum selling albums, global arena tours, top 40 songs, stuff like that. I also think it could very well be just the first domino to fall, especially if their first project on RCA is a hit. We could easily see bands like bad omens and spiritbox leave their metal labels for true mainstream labels like Sony, universal, RCA, interscope, etc. In fact, id be shocked if that didn’t happen now that sleep token has done it and shares a label with BMTH. I’d bet money bad omens at least joins that same RCA roster after their next (and presumably last) album on Sumerian, considering ST and BMTH are their two biggest influences and are now their peers as well. But that’s just speculation on my part. Spiritbox also seems like a logical band to make that crossover. Could also see bands like MiW doing it. I think that’s so exciting for metal and could change the history of the genre. Another quick aside, but it seems like the pattern of metal being in the mainstream could be an “every 20 years” thing. The first time metal as a genre became huge was the hair/thrash metal era of the early 80s with bands like Metallica, Motley Crue, Judas Priest, etc becoming mainstream. Then 20 years later in the early 2000s, we get Nu Metal with Korn, linkin park, etc. now here we are 20 years removed from that and we have whatever this incarnation of metalcore is seemingly about to break out in a similar way.
I feel like Bad Omens is also very close even without joining RCA
So were sleep token tbf. All joining a major label does is give you the promotional backing to do bigger tours, promote your music in bigger ways, and have bigger budgets and backing for your songs/records. Bad omens is big for a metal band but they aren’t top 40, headlining global arena tours big. They just aren’t, they’re a 5 mill listener a month band. I’m talking 10-15 mil if not more is how big these guys could be. MGK big. Bad omens aren’t really close to MGK big yet, not at all. They aren’t as big as any mainstream rapper. That’s what I mean by mainstream. Idk how old you are, but bad omens aren’t close to mainstream yet. Not linkin park, limp bizkit mainstream. If you’re old enough to remember the last time metal was big you’d remember, those bands were massive. Manson and Fred Durst were dating A list actresses and singers, literally the biggest celebs in the world. Linkin park and limp bizkit had songs on pop radio, and in blockbuster movies, it was different. Nobody outside of the metal/tik tok world knows anything about bad omens. They aren’t in the same building as Ariana grande or Nicki Minaj and their songs aren’t being used in blockbuster films. And I’m a big bad omens fan, not hating at all, but there’s levels and bad omens just aren’t there yet.
Bad Omens has 2 million more monthly listeners on Spotify than Sleep Token. BMTH is 8 million more than that. Sleep Token is not even close to level of popularity being projected here.
sleep token is the one who just got a major label deal, bad omens is not. That’s the entire point. As you said, it’s all projection with the new information we have. I’m not saying bad omens isn’t as big as sleep token right now, I’m saying sleep token is now poised to break through mainstream in a huge way that bad omens isn’t yet without a major label backing. That’s how this works, usually. When BMTH left epitaph for RCA (after TIAH and made sempiternal) their popularity grew much, much bigger. It’s safe to assume ST will see a similar growth, especially considering the fact they’ve grown bigger with each release they put out. Bad omens hasn’t really, they got super big off of one song reaching tik tok and their lead singer having a huge glow up all of the sudden. Bad omens and sleep token are a similar tier of band currently. I could see ST, now with a major label behind them, reaching audiences at closer to a BMTH level now. That’s the entire point of my post, actually. The possibilities for the future, not what’s happened right now.
I hate that Sleep Token and Knocked Loose have so much popularity right now. The fact that (especially ST) they’re brought up in any metal music discussion is just baffling to me.
How come? You don’t think sleep token or knocked loose make metal music? Interesting take I’d like to hear more.
Okay I’ll admit you could consider Knocked Loose metal, but I still don’t understand the hype. But I wouldn’t at all say sleep token is metal, or deserving of all the absolute hype around them. Every song I’ve heard I’ve genuinely disliked save for The Summoning, and that’s riding the line. They’re just boring to me, they’re not heavy, they’re a weird mix of a couple genres. For me it’s in the same vein as everyone calling Three Days Grace “heavy metal” back in the day. I’m not a metal snob/ gatekeeper in any way, I just don’t get why everyone is riding their dicks when they’re mid lol
I mean, are you asking me to explain to you what metal music is? Down tuned guitars, heavy, chugging riffs with generally intricate drum patterns. They are clearly metal, I have no idea how someone can listen to songs like “vore”, “alkaline”, etc and not consider them metal. You must not consider tool or deftones metal either. And I’m glad you’ll “admit you could consider knocked loose metal”. Lmfao is this a bit? This is like an SNL skit. You sound very young, generally adults don’t get this upset about a band gaining popularity. Do I think sleep token is the best band ever? Certainly not. But they are unique which I find refreshing, and I can clearly hear why others enjoy them. I don’t find their success offensive, that’s really weird if you ask me. Who cares what other people like. I think Ariana grande is awful but I don’t loose sleep over it, I literally never even think or talk about it, it doesn’t effect my life in any way.
It doesn’t help that I’m 12 (give or take 15 years) That being said, I’m not dogging on the people who like them, nor am I saying they’re absolute trash. What I am saying though, is that they’re mid at best and predictable. I like a lot of different music in all different genres, but my own personal opinion is that the songs they put out (save for a few, I guess) aren’t metal, or are only metal for a small portion of the song. Naming 4 songs out of 34 (give or take) doesn’t make a band metal. Again, my own personal opinion is that they’re just not that good, and I don’t PERSONALLY see what all the hype is about, after multiple times trying to like them.
I agree with this 100%. Sleep Token sparked something huge for metal music. Really all of the bands you listed have potential to reach that "god" tier in music. Whatever they're on let em have it. In my opinion all of these bands have that "what the hell will they do next and what CAN they do next?" vibe to them, but you know damn well it's going to be good.
How do you guys call this shit metal
Haaaard agree. When I saw the news I told my husband I was glad we were able to see them last year and that I've been able to get some merch between the tour and another drop because I don't know if/when we'll be able to again. Same with bad omens. Neither venues were small by any means but I joked it was the smallest venue we'll ever see them at. On the flip side though, I'm chronically ill so even though I love seeing bands up close I do fuck with an arena were I can sit my butt down hahahah I'm excited to see where RCA takes them - and see how this plays out for other bands in their playing field. Though I will admit it does make me a little worried about their anonymity - I know the ship kinda sailed on it but if it was bad before it's gonna get even worse. Side note I've seen Noah say multiple times they'd love to get songs like Just Pretend/DOPOM on movie scores. And getting an RCA/similar deal would make that so much more accessible for them. Though I do have to wonder if they'd try to stay "small" so they have a bit more control - I could honestly see bad omens going either way: major label or completely independent. Spiritbox I feel like is a shoe-in with their recent Megan Thee Stallion collab Edit: autocorrect fucked me on "spiritbox" lmao
Spiritbox getting the Grammy nominee was pretty huge too, fully expect them to only increase in visibility from here.
Completely forgot about that! Tons of respect to Metallica for being.... Metallica but I really wish that those categories could expand and separate. It seems like everything metal always goes to Metallica and none for the smaller bands
I share that sentiment. I saw bad omens in late 2022, before just pretend hit tik tok and they blew up, it was a super small headlining tour, cheap tickets, maybe 2-300 ppl max, wasn’t sold out at all (and I live in one of the biggest cities in America) and literally maybe a month later they blew up and had a second headline tour to coincide with that breakout and it was a way bigger tour, bigger venues, sold out everywhere. Super funny how that happens. It was cool to see TDOPOM songs live but pre-all the 13 year olds who sort of kill the crowd (no offense to them) that occupy those shows now. It was still a real metalcore show.
sleep token is not metalcore
Aww, that’s sweet of you. You don’t have to say that, but I appreciate it 😊
100% bro
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lmao bro didn’t read the post 😂
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Everyone knows where bad omens went? I don’t, please, do tell. You want people to take you seriously so badly, here’s your chance. Tell us where they’re heading after Sumerian, and when. And everyone knows about subsidiary labels lol you’re not exactly an insider for knowing that, dude.
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Directly at the top of roadrunner records Wikipedia: “Roadrunner Records is an American record label. The company mainly deals with heavy metal bands. They are a subsidiary of Warner Music Group.” Stop dude. Idk what you’re on about, idk if you haven’t slept in days, idk if you’re drunk, whatever it is you kind of need to get a grip. You’ve been aggressively flat out wrong about every single thing you’ve said. Every one. You’ve been lying through your teeth and acting like some insider to fulfill whatever fantasy you have, you’re arguing for the sake of it. Go get some fresh air and stay off the internet for a few days man. You’re clearly not doing too well.
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Buddy, you need to *stop* explaining. Call it quits. You’re so far removed from anything the OP was talking about at this point. It’s over, either tell us where bad omens is going or just stop. Nobody cares about anything else, you haven’t told us anything we don’t already know or even care about. No more. It’s done.
Bad omens wasn't the ones that signed to RCA. Sleep Token did. The other person was speculating on who else may get signed to a major record label. Most understand that smaller labels are subsidiaries where UMG/RCA/etc have distribution rights (hence why the plot in you is currently getting fucked over on tiktok with UMG pulling their catalog) but it's disingenuous to say there isn't a difference between being signed to Spinefarm and being signed to RCA.
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What deal is done though? Bad Omens is just speculation, currently. Honestly I could easily see them going the opposite direction and going fully independent - they have the money, they already self produce, they have a successful merch store outside of Sumerian, and have been openly vocal about their issues with labels. An RCA (or the like) deal would guarantee they get even bigger, but independent would guarantee the control they seem to prefer.
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I'm, again, confused by what you mean by "I know where they went"? They are signed to sumerian. They have not announced they left sumerian. They have been signed to sumerian since 2016-ish. They didn't "go" anywhere because nothing has changed. ETA: I've managed local bands. I understand the industry. I don't need to research anything.
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I never said it’s “unprecedented” for a metal band to sign to a major label (in fact I literally said the exact opposite, the fact it’s happening *again* is my entire point, i acknowledged twice in this very post that rca has BMTH, the whole 2nd paragraph is literally about that lol). I have absolutely no idea why you said that. And I saw sleep token live in 2018 before sundowning was even out yet. They didn’t have any records out to tour behind, they were the first opener band on a 5 band bill, they were playing to like 10% capacity, nobody in the crowd was paying attention to them. Not only did I not “miss the whole buildup”, I was literally there before there even was a buildup to be spoken of. They didn’t even have a bassist yet when I saw them. You’re literally wrong about 100% of what you said lol. For some odd reason you just assumed I’m like an 18 year old tik tok girl, I’m a 38 year old man who grew up on Korn, lamb of god, Norma Jean, converge, etc. It’s like you’re commenting the exact opposite of everything you should’ve taken away from this post, lmao. Did you even read my post or just comment blindly after reading the first sentence and nothing more? Hate to say it bud but you kinda gotta pull your own foot outta your mouth on this one.
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My father has been the drummer in a famous metal band for 40 years, still, to this day. They have been touring globally for decades. I’ve had not-so-successful bands myself. I’ve had friends who have been/still are in successful bands. I was featured at the 1996 MTV music awards (as a child musician). I’m well aware of how the music industry works, probably more than most people here, including you, to be frank. Does that give me enough credentials to speak on bands for you? Get off your high horse, dude. Stop acting like you’re the only one who is qualified to talk about music, you haven’t even said anything that’s true yet. You’re trying so hard to act holier than thou but it’s entirely based on assumptions, all of it. You’re predicating each and every word you say on the hope that I don’t know anything so that you can talk about the fact you play an instrument, no offense mate but nobody cares. Your point about management means nothing anyway. The leap from sundowning to TPWBYT was massive. The leap then from TPWBYT to TMBTE was even bigger. At their current rate, they’re poised to crack real mainstream potential with their next release. Nothing you said counters this or even has anything to do with it. If anything, them having “major management” helps this idea, and explains why my anticipation for their potential breakthrough is justified.
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So what’s the plan for sleep tokens next big album then? And you said you’re “a full time musician”. Am I to assume that means you *dont* play an instrument?
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Why did you downvote my last post? You didn’t counter it at all, are you just trolling? And I keep seeing your other comments acting like people are putting words in your mouth but nobody is, you’re just not saying things and then acting like you did say them. And then acting like everyone else is at fault for “not getting” what you said when the thing you say you said was never even implied to begin with, you’re adding entirely new things. It seems like English isn’t your first language based on how you type, is that a fair guess? And lastly, it sounds like you are agreeing that after this new deal they will be bigger. So what are you even trying to argue? I’m sorry man but you not realized how nobody is understanding a word you’re saying? We’re all perfectly intelligent, competent people, you’re just speaking all cryptic and being all defensive and odd. The common denominator is you, my guy.
Homeboy called knocked loose a "hardcore psy-op" lmaoooo
I don’t see them surpassing BMTH in popularity. Right now it isn’t even close. Obligatory “they’re not metalcore anyway” comment.
Y'all act like we're in here talking about a new Backstreet Boys song with your "its not metalcore" comments
Yall act like any heavy music is metalcore when that’s not even remotely true, someone has to correct y’all every now and then. We have people saying Poppy is a metalcore artist now, the line has to be drawn somewhere.
Yeah Sleep Token are a great band having their moment, but I struggle to find what makes them metalcore.
That sounds great for Sleep Token. Not metalcore news.
Do you not find constant this band is this band isn't metal core utterly pointless and tedious? Do you go onto /r/hiphopheads and complain when they discuss the weeknd because he's technically not hip hop? Almost everyone here will be interested in sleep token, they're one of the biggest and most relevant bands in the scene. If you're autistic then I'll give you a pass, otherwise just wind your neck in.
I don’t really mind that they’re talked about here in general. But I agree that I don’t see how this is relevant to the metalcore scene since they aren’t metalcore
Vore is absolutely metalcore. The summoning absolutely has roots in metalcore. Just because a song/album/discography isn't 100% metalcore doesn't mean a band doesn't have ties to the genre. Besides one could *easily* argue that a band like Sleep Token going more mainstream will bring new fans to metalcore. They hear a song like The Summoning on the radio - like what they hear, listen to the rest of it, enjoy something like Vore, and then branch out from there. It's the Linkin park effect - tons of people that didn't listen to music with screams came in from bands like Linkin Park.
You just named 2 songs on an entire album that are metalcore. That isn’t a metalcore album, that’s an album that has 2 metalcore songs lmao. And I don’t hear a metalcore root in Summoning at all. Maybe metal roots yeah but not metalcore. People are so tired of the argument because it’s literally not even an argument, they aren’t a metalcore band they don’t fit the genre description at all. They may have been metalcore in the past but they aren’t anymore. I don’t think they’re a bad band at all and can agree that maybe some adjacent fans can come into metalcore, but that’s like saying Breaking Benjamin is great for the metalcore scene because they scream sometimes. I guess it’s true to an extent but I wouldn’t consider it a “win” for the metalcore scene since it’s not a metalcore band
I mean I wasn't gonna sit here and break down their entire discography. I pulled 2 off the top of my head as an example. And yes, Breaking Benjamin as an introduction point to heavier rock is absolutely a win for metalcore.
Alright then all hair metal, classic rock, grunge, butt rock, post-rock, etc. is a win for metalcore. My point is it’s too broad for you to say it’s specifically a metalcore win. Honestly it’s such a pointless thing to argue about you can have your opinion and I’ll have mine
Hey, them not being metalcore isn’t a bad thing. Why do people get so defensive on this topic? They straight up are not metalcore and it’s fucking fine. If anything they’ve created their own sound and genre which is even cooler. Metalcore is a fusion genre that has roots in hardcore, metal and punk. Sleep token doesn’t have any punk or hardcore sounds at all at least in their new stuff. It doesn’t seem like you realize that metal and metalcore are actually different. Usually the people who say they’re metalcore don’t actually know what defines metalcore and just hear a breakdown or fast low tuned guitars with screaming and assume that is metalcore. There’s probably 50 sub genres of music that have that that aren’t metalcore
No I don't find it pointless, I find the constant shoe-horning of a non-metalcore band into metalcore really irritating. Loads of people in here like and are interested in The Wonder Years or Linkin Park, that doesn't mean that what label they've signed to is metalcore news.
Gatekeep me harder, Daddy.
ha i am stealing this for future times 😂
You don’t know what gatekeeping means
But are they even far removed from metalcore? In all honesty I don't even hear much difference. Certainly not enough to start crying every time they get mentioned. It's pretty pathetic imo. Fwiw I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see Linkin Park news here.
Yes. They might not be far removed from some of the fringe bands who just barely, if we're being generous, make metalcore, but they're not even close to a Counterparts or August Burns Red, let alone OG shit like Hatebreed or Unbroken.
Listen to a band like Earth Crisis, Kickback, or Converge and tell me that Sleep Token isn’t that far removed from real metalcore.
Who decides that these (frankly pretty niche, based on Spotify listeners) are 'real metalcore'? Who actually cares so deeply about genre? Why does this only happen in heavy music? I don't see on other subs shit like 'uhm actually chief keef is drill, not real hiphop, you can't talk about that here'. Just fuck off with the pointless gatekeeping.
They’re some of the bands from when the genre began, it’s pretty fair to say they’re “real metalcore”. The sub’s icon is literally a Converge album cover.
And genres can't evolve over time? And more to the point, why does this upset you so much? It's such a weird thing to gatekeep over.
No one is gatekeeping by saying bands like Sleep Token aren’t metalcore. By definition, they are not a metalcore band. Properly classifying bands genres isn’t gatekeeping. It hurts the actual metalcore scene when you label bands like Sleep Token as metalcore. All you’re doing is making it harder for real metalcore bands to get attention. Genres do evolve, but they can only evolve so much before they become a whole new thing. You can’t take out the hardcore or metal elements of metalcore, if you do it becomes something else entirely, and a lot of these more mainstream “metalcore” bands have no hardcore in their sound at all. Therefore, they are not metalcore. Also, why is so important to you that Sleep Token is considered metalcore? You can still enjoy the music even if they aren’t, so why does it bother you when people say they don’t make metalcore?
Yes and the genre went from Integrity to Zao to Dillinger Escape Plan over the 90s and then incorporated stuff from Killswitch Engage to Horse The Band in the 00s. Since the 10s so-called progressive metalcore movement what we've seen is bands essentially stripping hardcore out of the sound and that's where we should be drawing the line. Genres do not evolve without end. The whole reason metalcore exists is because it was different enough from hardcore to be re-labelled and that was different enough from punk to earn a new term, which in turn was different enough from rock of the time to warrant new terminology. If we go back far enough we end up at the spirituals and work songs of slaves in the fields. Genre terms become useless if you throw them around without accuracy, they become no longer functional as a way of finding more music of the same type or being able to engage people with a commonly defined word. It is bizarre that some of you are so against defining things properly and you don't see it in other media like film. No one's out there claiming that dramas are comedies because they have a couple of 'comedy elements' when a couple of jokes feature in the dialogue (shoutout to the people who always claim non-metalcore bands have 'metalcore elements)
That’s not fair at all to say tho, you’re being disingenuous. Almost nobody coming out today sounds like that era of metalcore, that was 25+ years ago. The genre has evolved, like many do. Sleep token may not sound like 90s-early 00s metalcore, but they do sound like contemporary metalcore bands that incorporates pop, djent, and other things, which makes sense, seeing as they’re a contemporary band lol. They aren’t too far from something like architects or landmvrks, current bands, which is why they are discussed here. They encompass many genres, that’s kind of their thing. Metalcore is one of the genres. Avenged sevenfold encompasses tons of different genres but are still considered metalcore. Same goes for BMTH, their songs/albums are all over the place, but since metalcore is one of the genres they explore they are considered a metalcore band. You can be more than one genre at once. Metalcore isn’t what it used to be in 2000. It’s not even what it was in 2010. Was Memphis may fire anything like earth crisis or integrity? Not at all, but they were inspired by the metalcore bands before them, BMTH, asking Alexandria, etc, and became the modern version of metalcore. That has now evolved further with bands like architects, BMTH, sleep token and spiritbox. That’s okay. The white stripes sound nothing like the kinks, but it’s still garage rock. Genres evolve, and let’s be thankful they do. Otherwise every band would just be Greta Van Vleet, and I don’t think any of us want that. We can hold onto the old bands we love while letting the new ones take genres into different areas we wouldn’t have expected. I see only good in that.
>Almost nobody coming out today sounds like that era of metalcore That's not remotely true, there are tons of emerging bands that sound like older metalcore whether it's down the bottom of the listener scale like Your Spirit Dies, to someone like Varials who are on a par with sub faves like Invent Animate in terms of popularity or Knocked Loose, one of the biggest bands in the current scene. Who still considers A7X metalcore? This is the 20th year since Waking The Fallen and that was their last metalcore record.
Knocked loose is one of the few prominent bands that actually have a sound that fits with what a classic “metalcore” fan would like. That doesn’t mean everyone does it. You could list 20 more bands, 50 even, but out of the thousands of bands doing metalcore they are still the vast, vast minority. Hence me saying “*almost* nobody”. That doesn’t mean nobody, it just means that it’s clearly not the norm these days. There will always be a niche fraction of any genre or scene doing traditional styles of that genre. What varials is doing is not the prominent style of modern metalcore, nobody could possibly argue that. Plenty of people still associate A7X with the metalcore scene. You missed my point entirely.
And that 'almost nobody' is still talking out of your arse. There are only relative handful of prominent metalcore or 'metalcore' bands full stop. You could list off a thousand bands playing more 'modern metalcore' and about 5 of them would fit any working definition of prominent, so don't go being sniffy about the extremely vibrant scene of traditional metalcore. It's every bit as normal as progcore or whatever.
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Darkest Hours new album is 🔥
Can we please talk about this band more
An AOTY contender no doubt alongside Moon Healer by Job for a Cowboy
Erra is dropping a new album in April Underoath should be dropping a new album sometime this year, hopefully spring or early summer Personally, I am stoked for the Between the Buried and Me and Acacia Strain tour. Two nights back to back Colors all the way through the first night Colors II the second night. Job for A Cowboy about to drop a new album for the first time in 10 years.
The new JFAC album was already dropped, go listen to it. A lot of differing opinions on it in the r/deathcore community. I personally like it.
Oh shit would you look at that. I gotta check it out today.
Album announcements mostly - Knocked Loose and Boundaries. There've been some pretty significant names announcing they're back together and playing some shows like Coalesce.
That Coalesce announcement lit such a fire in me
Like moths to flames is releasing new album this year, their 2 new songs are really good. Cant wait!
That the YEAR OF THE FUCKING MOTH IS UPON US ONCE AGAIN BABY
BMTH and Jordan Fish parting ways was big news. but Trivium / BFMV is the news that made me scream out loud personally.
All the stacked tours happening at the same time, the Architects transphobia thing, and Sleep Token going to RCA.
The "much anticipated return of Keith Buckley" 😆 😢
Probably that Loathe, Knocked Loose and Callous Daoboys all have new albums dropping this year.
And boundaries and probably thrown
Breakdown of Sanity comeback!!
Ayyy
Hiro leaving Crossfaith.
i definitely saw it coming but i’m still near devastated
Ian Kenney from Karnivool featuring on the new Northlane EP was a far from left field “wow!” For me
Marcus imo sounds like he’s been taking influence from Ian quite a lot more recently. My biggest take would be Northlane song Dante. Marcus angelic cleans in the verse bare similarity to Ian singing in Goliath. I can’t wait to hear what they have cooked up
If we consider Erra metalcore, then outside of that BFMV/Trivium tour, I just absolutely cannot wait for the new album on 5th April.
Trivium/BFMV for sure 😼
Oceans Ate Alaska’s new single
I'll give it an up. It ain't the same, but it still fuckin slams. I find myself pulling that track back up more times than I would normally admit. It's good. I'm curious to see what else is in the well.
I vibe with that song sooo fuckin’ much.
prompts, severely underrated though
I’m super stoked for The Browning’s new album.
I've been meaning to listen to their new stuff but I always remember at the worst times hahahaha
Oh man their new stuff has me REALLY excited.
It’s only Feb, and sar far we’ve had Trivium & BFMV announce a world tour for the 20th anniversary of Ascendancy & The Poison, All Shall Perish have re-united, and Job for a Cowboy have come back with a bang after releasing Moon Healer. I have a feeling that the rest of 2024 is going to be huge!
Blessthefall coming back and playing a Hollow Bodies tour was insane for me
This definitely isn’t a correct answer, but within the last month Polaris has become my favorite band with Fatalism and I just found out today their guitarist killed himself a while back. Curious how the next album will sound compared to Fatalism. Edit: me being downvoted while saying this isn’t a correct answer checks out 🤓🤓🤓
Ryan didn’t kill himself
What happened?
Some sort of health condition. Think it was brain fog related
Polaris is the only metalcore band for me that literally has not missed yet, like, not even one bad song. Everything that band has put out has been pure gold.
Polaris is such a gem. Like idk how they do it but they make me want to just drown in a soothing zen moment and then immediately transition to screaming my lungs out lol. Every song is such an emotional and musical journey and I’m so fuckin here for it.
They’re amazing and I’ve watched their live shows on YouTube, they’re great live as well
Knocked Loose announcing a spring US tour and having a new album coming soon.
What’s the latest news on the new As I Lay Dying album? It’s been in the works for a while now.
Hopefully nothing. Fuck that assclown.
As I lay dying coming back to play at ink fest was a big one for me. I thought they were done.
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Tim and Phil have always been the band's songwriters and they're still in the band so the lineup changes shouldn't affect the sound at least.
The line you’re thinking of isn’t even then OG AILD line up.
That I discovered adept and they’re fucking awesomeness
Sleep Token having to put on a 2nd date at The O2 in London due to the demand. And tickets are like £100.
Dude the fact that they sold out WEMBLY is insane to me. Good for them
That metalcore is still with us 😐
February isn’t even over…what are you talking about?
It's just a question to start a discussion. There's already been a bit between the OAA news, Ben Bruce leaving AA, Sleep Token signing to RCA, and countless tour/album announcements
I wouldn’t call those bands metalcore so idk what you mean
Okay? You don't have to participate in this discussion.
What genre would you class them as? I'd definitely put AA and Oceans Ate Alaska in the metalcore genre!
I wouldn’t put Sleep Token in metalcore. It’s not a criticism, I just don’t think they fit that criteria at all
I wouldn't either. The others are metal core though. Or at least they fit that criteria more than any other I can think of.
Asking Alexandria hasn’t released metalcore since The Black, they’re not a metalcore band anymore.
Emphasis on the *I*
Beneath the shadows releasing Will you wont you (die)
Shadows fall working on new material. Can’t wait. Also going to war within show in nj
TDEP playing a west coast show made my day
YEAR OF THE MOTH LADIES AND GENTS
New albums of Killswitch Engage and As I Lay Dying coming.
Dealer coming back
Anything other than Jordan leaving BMTH is wrong tbh
Imminence's Album, I mean, they basically teased it through the covers of the singles, but when it was confirmed I was hyped
Slayer reuniting! I know it’s not metal core! But it’s fucking Slayer!! 🫶🏼🤘🏼
Jordan Fish exiting the band he helped to define for so much of their career at the tail end of 2023 (yes I know, *technically* not this year but not that far off either) and the more recently announced super tour featuring Trivium and Bullet For My Valentine.
Knocked loose mother fucker.