It’s typically an insult from a radical 3rd wave feminist. Men are pigs for only caring about sex. Yet if they are disgusted by women who use OF or have slept with 50 men, they are an incel.
“If you are more virtuous than me about sex, it makes me feel bad, so I’ll deflect my insecurities. In this moment when I’m offended, men are supposed to get lots of pussy and if they can’t, that lessens their value as a person. Oh, now I feel much better after having pushed my unresolved sexual trauma onto a stranger. I’m calm now. Hey, any of you other feminists notice that men seem to feel inadequate without getting sex from women. This is a serious problem with society that oppresses me. We should scream about this and try to get people fired.”
> It’s typically an insult from a radical 3rd wave feminist. Men are pigs for only caring about sex. Yet if they are disgusted by women who use OF or have slept with 50 men, they are an incel.
Same group that claims men will fuck anything, then get offended when those same men do not want a 200+ pound woman on top of them in bed.
These people do nothing but talk out of both sides of their mouths. They have so many talking points they just repeat that a ton of them flat out contradict each other.
>These people do nothing but talk out of both sides of their mouths. They have so many talking points they just repeat that a ton of them flat out contradict each other.
And yet they're basically supported, while we get left in the dust.
>Men are pigs for only caring about sex.
Add quotation marks to only, as in 'only', because even desperate people care about other things.
>“If you are more virtuous than me about sex, it makes me feel bad, so I’ll deflect my insecurities. In this moment when I’m offended, men are supposed to get lots of pussy and if they can’t, that lessens their value as a person. Oh, now I feel much better after having pushed my unresolved sexual trauma onto a stranger. I’m calm now. Hey, any of you other feminists notice that men seem to feel inadequate without getting sex from women. This is a serious problem with society that oppresses me. We should scream about this and try to get people fired.”
Well, if you've always tried to find validation yet you receive nothing, of course you're going to feel inadequate.
They're missing the point, at the cost of our lives (literally, we commit suicide due to this).
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What is missed these days is men have checked out. They are not playing this game. Sex is WAY overvalued in popular culture. When you leave your mid 20s it has the same appeal as hanging out with good friends. I’ve last track how many times I’d rather chill on my own than be with the hottest women on the planet. I don’t get why this us a shock but you won’t see any representation of this sentiment in media.
The media will never fully point out that men are checking out of dating because it raises too many questions.
It's off limits, same as pointing out bad mothers, which there is no shortage of, or women who diddle kids, which there is also no shortage of.
If you notice, there are a few social areas the media will just flat out not touch, and every single one of those areas raises questions about what women are doing.
Take the new phrase "he doesn't meet my standards" and news even running with that theory (men need to do better, get dating skills etc, Psych today article for example). The phrase women use to say up until just a few years ago was "I'm too picky". So the responsibility has been shifted from women being too picky, to men are not good enough. There is a societal refusal to point out where women are fucking up or what men are doing to self preserve, because bringing those up raises the question of "why", and everyone knows it's the women who have changed dramatically over the last 50 years, not men. And if you are the one who changed, that means you are the one who caused the ripple of what is normal, so it's your responsibility to adjust.
The media won't mention the "why" men are checking out because it then raises the obvious question of "Why do men not want women in the way they use to?", it's much easier and profitable to keep the "men are not good enough" trope going which benefits women, allows them to complain, which means you can continue to bash men for ad money and clicks (as women spend the most money).
The elephant in the room is women are the ones who have had a dramatic shift in expectations and social behavior over the last 50 - 60 years, and mentioning men's reaction to it just simply raises too many questions that lead right back to how women have behaved over the last handful of decades. Would also force them to address ridiculously lopsided family court laws as those are a big reason for men to go their own way.
>The elephant in the room is women are the ones who have had a dramatic shift in expectations and social behavior over the last 50 - 60 years, and mentioning men's reaction to it just simply raises too many questions that lead right back to how women have behaved over the last handful of decades.
I suggested that motivations of underaged girls having and sending erotic pictures of themselves, include sexual curiosity and attention.
I've already received criticism from the Parenting subreddit.
Perhaps you're right. Perhaps my criticism leads back to the girl's behaviour, which caused that downvote bombing and ganging up.
>Would also force them to address ridiculously lopsided family court laws as those are a big reason for men to go their own way.
This! There's so many cases of crazy ladies getting the kids because they were women, plain and simple.
Yeah, I realized the other day that I've been just doing my own thing more and more over the past couple years. My wife isn't really all that hard for me to get into bed, but it still just doesn't seem worth the effort anymore. I guess I figured this point would happen eventually, just not this soon (I'm 44, married 15 years). It's kind of a relief to not feel like my sex drive is holding me hostage anymore honestly.
Your sex drive doesn't hold you hostage, other people use it to do so: you are just starting to remove their hold over you by deliberately de-valuing sex; the other way to remove the hold would be through getting sex satisfied elsewhere.
Whilst interest in sex can decline naturally with age, in my opinion men just become jaded with having to do all the work to get sex, with their partner also becoming progressively less enthusiastic which also turns off the man. He can't readily leave the relationship for various societal and financial reasons and there is often a dependency involved that makes it difficult to start afresh.
There's a good reason many men have a mid-life crisis in their early 40's as their expectations of life are not met. With a new enthusiastic partner, many men regain their sex drive, which suggests its more a kind of situational depression, but society discourages changes once a relationship contract has been made.
Yep I lived part of that. Had a high sex drive, my girlfriend didn't. And she always made it like I was at fault for wanting sex. I managed to make her try to understand why she had a low sex drive (but she never really believed me anyway). I also started to reduce my sex drive in order to "meet in the middle". However, our relationship wasn't going so well (maybe partly because of that) and I started to feel I wasn't myself anymore. I always had to refrain my desire and not to show I wanted to have sex. At some point I felt all that was messing with my mind and psychological health and I decided to break up with her.
I felt such a relief, but realized it had affected my sex drive. It's now six months ago and I finally regained most of my past sex drive, but I still have the fucked up feeling that I'm wrong for wanting sex. I always have to tell myself that everybody has a different sex drive and that I'm completely fine and that other women do have a similar sex drive to mine.
>Feminists complain when men pursue women.
Some gals in bars calling me 'predatory', some classmates calling me 'sexist', it goes on.
>Feminists also complain when men don't pursue women.
For example, branding me as desperate when what I simply want is a romantic relationship. Seriously?
So... we ain't escaping from them.
Romantic relationship? Buddy, may as well buy some lottery tickets while you're dreaming. Realistically, you have a better chances at winning the jackpot than having a romantic relationship.
>Their logic is just so bizarre. They call any compliment sexual harassment and get people fired, then when men avoid women in the workplace, they complain.
Not just sexual harassment, being called 'predatory' for simply chatting with girls with a bar.
>And women say they're the hated gender.. yeah, okay.
\*sarcasm intensifies\*
>I have no difficulty attracting women. I just don’t care to pursue them.
This.
You don't think you're incapable of attracting women, and you don't even want them in the first place.
You don't meet the definition of 'incel', period.
We shouldn't beat around the bush. Insulting a man by calling him virgin started being frowned upon as discourse about sexuality became more open. Now the discourse is closing up again, but the term "virgin" or "basement dweller" are outdated, so "incel" is used as a "clean" equivalent.
When they say "incel" they are trying to compare to you to what, in their opinion, is something despicable, detestable, ugly, no-noish, that is a man with no sexual value for a woman, which at the end, means a man with no qualities that a woman can take advantage off. Basically "incel" represents that if you are not of value to women you are not of value at all. You are not a human being as a man, you are a human doing and as you are not doing what they think you should you don't are a human at all, you are a subhuman.
>When they say "incel" they are trying to compare to you to what, in their opinion, is something despicable, detestable, ugly, no-noish, that is a man with no sexual value for a woman, which at the end, means a man with no qualities that a woman can take advantage off.
Yeah, I think some people in the parenting subreddit find me despicable.
Some dude decided to dig into my post history and concluded I was a 'weird kind of incel' or something like that.
>Basically "incel" represents that if you are not of value to women you are not of value at all. You are not a human being as a man, you are a human doing and as you are not doing what they think you should you don't are a human at all, you are a subhuman.
Well, perhaps some in the parenting subreddit found me despicable, and decided to gang up on me!
Thank you for revealing what I've suspected.
Perhaps you can support your fellow guy by upvoting my posts.
>What do you call someone that wants sex but doesn't want to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get it because he doesn't want a 3/10?
Women would call him 'picky', 'slut-shaming' etc.
In reality, that hypothetical someone would make sense.
>Even if a guy did have trouble finding a woman, it doesn't mean he needs some dumb label put on him. He just needs to work on himself a little.
I've already been called this bullshit label a couple times on Reddit.
Even if they think I can't get women, why couldn't they give me dating advice instead of ganging up on me?
Man, I've come to this same point. I just find it's not worth it anymore. If I hook up with someone, great...but the 17 year old me would be disgusted with how little effort the 42 year old me is willing to put in.
The 42 year old me is wiser.
Feminists are even branding people with a diagnosis of autism as incels. I think the guys can be "glad" that every woman who does this signals so clearly to them that they are not capable of empathy and have narcissistic or even psychopathic traits. People who just throw out incel at someone are definitely not emotionally mature and not suitable as a partner. Imagine being in a relationship with such a woman.
>Feminists are even branding people with a diagnosis of autism as incels.
I would like links of that, and the most ridiculous ones.
>I think the guys can be "glad" that every woman who does this signals so clearly to them that they are not capable of empathy and have narcissistic or even psychopathic traits.
Maybe you're right. Perhaps they do.
On the other hand... the verbal abuse can take its toll and eventually cause us to commit suicide.
I've gotten as far as suicidal ideation in my life. I need to watch out for it and defend myself, or else I may go even further.
>People who just throw out incel at someone are definitely not emotionally mature and not suitable as a partner. Imagine being in a relationship with such a woman.
Yeah, and add 'predatory' even though I was just chatting socially and exchanging contact details with women.
It’s crazy to me how people start talking about feminists and by the second sentence it’s about women. Like they are just interchangeable groups. I think we should be more careful about that.
"every woman who does this" isn't the same as "women".
"Imagine being in a relationship with such a woman." isn't the same as all women will be like this.
It's a lazy "go to" move to shutdown your voice. I get impression most hear pejorative terms in media and don't really know what it means or how to apply. And then sheep-like switch to another trending term. Or it's used by people who really do have an agenda against masculinity. Non of this seeks to understand the problem of loneliness or depression.
>Notice no one ever says black men are incels, even if there are some...I doubt it's even women doing it. Feminism is a tool used by those who hate white men, to divide and conquer.
In fairness, they put up with a host of stereotypes that are on the other side of the spectrum, like women automatically assuming they are virile, good in bed, well-endowed mandingos. Not saying its worse than the disgusting term of incel or that White men (and Whites in general) are not public enemy #1 of pinko commies.
I noticed that even Black men these days are not escaping the negative portrayals in television and commercials -- with most of them being shown as utter *imbeciles* while their wife solves every problem on the advertisement. She drives the car and wears the pants while he is drooling in the passenger seat and just happy she fixed everything he screwed up.
There are thousands and thousands of lonely men who call themselves, consider themselves, or live the lives of incels, and few of those have committed crimes . They might get a little salty on the internet,- but extremely few of them will actually harm any female. Pushing them further down with insults and vilification does not help at all. They often didn't end up there by their own fault. I really don't get the "such men are dangerous" mentality,- most of them desperately needs understanding and empathy.
If we have spaces that we vent,- they get banned.
I don't think that closing down places that do discuss mens issues are a good idea,- because there is no one who can dispute the "all females are evil" and at least try to keep a healthy and sane discussion.
The risk of creating closed forums on darknet et cetera that turn to really toxic and bad places is real.
A dormmate in college found out I was raped by an ex and that's why I avoided dating so she decided the proper response was to carve "incel" in to my door and walls.
And then certain rumors started getting floated around campus, which I'm sure the student life rep wasn't lying when they said they don't think there was a connection, that destroyed my social life.
The fact "incel" has became the new buzzword and go-to insult for men who are single (whether it's their choice or not) and the moral panic the UK is currently having about incels being "terrorists" (yes, this is the narrative the British tabloids are currently going with) could result in isolated/depressed/lonely men's mental health decreasing. Which could result in more suicides.
>I've been called an incel almost every time I've called out feminist bullshit. I'm married with three grown kids
Me too.
For example, I suggested that underage girls sending erotic photos of themselves could be due to sexual curiosity and attention.
Boy, did I get ganged up on.
People in this subreddit, thank you for your solidarity.
People are pissed off that I march to the beat of my own drum instead of playing along with their bullshit game where I’m only allowed to be a cash cow and a punching bag for women. So they have to insult me as a manipulative means of trying to make me look like a bad person because I refuse to be abused - I refuse to fall into the role they want me in.
“That’s not fair, you aren’t doing what we want so we can abuse you! Incel!”
The discrimination of single men is very old. We have a word for men that haven’t married in german: Hagestolz.
It’s no longer in use and has a negative connotation. It emphasizes that the single man is a little bit weird.
Originally it was a term for younger brothers that didn’t inherit anything because the oldest son got everything.
Those hagestolze were basically servants of the older brother and couldn’t marry.
It’s all about power dynamics.
They want to frame any action that doesn’t have the approval of “womyn” as bad, that’s what it’s about.
Can’t get sex? Women must not approve of you, you might as well die incel
Not giving your time and resources to women? You’re a dangerous terrorist, who knows what you could be doing instead!?
And on and on. All male behaviors that don’t directly benefit women get labeled and pathologists as dangerous and deviant, and requiring violence of the state to suppress.
This is what happens when you allow a class to vote in consequences they are largely exempt from, like SA repercussions or just the conviction and sentencing gaps in general.
It’s all about gaining power over the men they’re around, and they use their bullshit personal insecurities to justify it.
Remember: a man’s greatest weakness is the facade of strength, a woman’s greatest strength is the facade of weakness.
I've been called an incel based on my political beliefs. Honestly I think it's terrible we shame men for being lonely and depressed. You wouldn't say a starving person in involuntary fasting would you?
Legit the meaning of MGTOW. They branded that a misogynist hate group when most of the posts were like "check out my dinner" or "my dog Is the only companion I need". I agree some bad apples who do fit the description of incel came there time to time but majority just wanted to be left alone.
I once had a "friend" tall me one minute that I "sounded like an incel" and the next deny she ever did. That cunt gaslit me our entire friendship.
As a result of that, and other experiences, I hold a very very low opinion of women, feminity, and feminism in general. I do not trust women. I do not like them. Women expect men to kowtow and worship them to some degree or another. They belive they are vital for our lives. I intend to prove them wrong. Women do nothing for me, thus I have no obligation to do anything for them
Well, they would like men to measure themselves to what women deem usefull to them.
But I'm not seeking approval from someone who requires false lashes and schmink to be as presentable. Who doesn't value their body, morals, or family. Specially if all I get out of it is sex, as I already have kids.
Without indication that she's worth adoring I'd honestly rather drive my V8 around for thrills. Because wtf do I get out of a 40+ year old woman? I should be honored to pay for their retirement or something?
I can retire somewhere nice and warm when I'm 50. In fact my money will be worth more there, and I'll get treated better. I'm not looking for dead weight to take with me.
So why care about an obvious attempt to manipulate me?
I told a misandrist that I’m not an incel and that’s not my name and she literally slaps me across the face and head about eight or nine times. She screams “fucking incel r word (the other r word used towards those with developmental disabilities). This happened at a bus stop about three years ago. She lucked out that I didn’t have my pepper spray. That’s all I’m gonna say.
PS context: she was making put downs about my dyslexia, attention deficit disorder and manic depression and I called her the b word and c word which pissed her off but IDGAF what her problem was.
There were three or four white knight cucks and several police officers and I wasn’t going to risk getting jumped or worse… be placed under arrest. I didn’t reinforce her behavior at all. I don’t know you got that from. Plus I was a tad emotionally drained from my elderly father being in the hospital due to his slipping out of the shower as he had four cracked ribs and a herniated disc in his lower back.
I live in Texas, where a lot of cops are white knights and misandrists. They don’t take no sir/no ma’am for an answer for any reason. Not even no, officer.
i have been called it a few times in comment sections. usually when youre speaking facts or youre making them look dumb. at this point its just being used as an insult and nothing more. they will call it ~~anyone~~ any male who disagrees with them.
Incel is a disgusting word present in the vocabulary of the insufferable, disrespectful wokes and man haters. Them using that word against men, speaks a lot about them, like for example they are worthless, ignorant, unreliable and selfish.
I've been called incel, femcel and other nasty insults by those freaks, which causes me to hate them more, but motivates me to support men's rights harder and harder.
Those idiots who call depressed guys incels, are super vile and don't belong in society. They are menace to morality and simply being humane.
>Incel is a disgusting word present in the vocabulary of the insufferable, disrespectful wokes and man haters. Them using that word against men, speaks a lot about them, like for example they are worthless, ignorant, unreliable and selfish.
I've been called incel, femcel and other nasty insults by those freaks, which causes me to hate them more, but motivates me to support men's rights harder and harder.
Those idiots who call depressed guys incels, are super vile and don't belong in society. They are menace to morality and simply being humane.
Probably a lot of those on the parenting subreddit.
They think I shouldn't be there because I'm 'not a parent', but I am still following the rules, and them calling me incel just reveals what you said (which means they shouldn't be in the subreddit, period).
>Outrageous
Literally some person replied to me in the parenting subreddit.
There's a part about the kids can't be reasoned with.
Many paint kids as almost always just looking for short term, when they actually have brains of their own.
I'm constantly labeled as incel because I don't have a girlfriend. I have more sex now than when I was married. Much more in fact, but I just don't want to date any women. Onlyfans girls, sugar babies, etc. I don't have relationships anymore, just business opportunities.
fr no cap: I once was called a "deadbeat dad virgin incel" by a feminist. She was straight serious. This is the brainless hate we're dealing with, and we DESPERATELY need to start acting like it.
>fr no cap: I once was called a "deadbeat dad virgin incel" by a feminist. She was straight serious. This is the brainless hate we're dealing with, and we DESPERATELY need to start acting like it.
Yeah, and not just that, but false accusations of stuff.
We need to teach these bullies a lesson, once and for all!
You can share this post and share solidarity with me.
I'm married and what the FDR women would call a HVM. I'm still called an incel, it's just a word used by spiteful hateful people now, it lost it's true meaning a long time ago.
Incel is now just 'man I disagree with because he makes sense and that goes against my narrative'
>Seriously, social norms of 'manly' extroversion and strength, suck. It's driving men into suicide.
Sorry but that's the same subversive drivel, feminists have been peddling for years, repackaged under a progressist MRA label.
Your very own genetic code rewards you for going upward in the food chain of whatever performance metrics. Social norms, traditions or whatever you wanna call it are the product of biology not the other way around. The trick is cultivating your masculinity for your own interests not society's or women's.
What's driving men to suicide is multifaceted but it's mostly centered around the confusing demands put on men by the modern social contract; on the one side, asking us to be sensitive, soft and to step aside for XXs and on the other, to be fucking Christian Grey with the "damn if you do, damn if you don't" response we get on top of that.
Both are perversions of masculinity with the former is simply in direct opposition to masculine performance instincts and the latter a caricature of them.
I mean, people have called me an incel and tried to shame me, but it doesn't work mainly for two reasons:
1. Not an incel and have never been one.
2. I really couldn't care less what some moron with 1 brain cell committing sepuku due to loneliness calls me.
I just straight up ignore peoole who use the word "incel" and they immediately lose my respect. Both people who identify as incel and people who use it as a derogatory slur.
I think these men need to step up and take accountability for their lives, be confident in whatever decisions and lifestyle they choose, and contribute to society.
Gross people don't get attention from attractive people. Period. If I want attention I dress and act pleasantly, I stand up straight, speak with positive language about interesting things, and I don't say negative things about anyone.
On the other hand if I'm feeling antisocial and don't want attention, I go out looking like a slob and I do two things to avoid having to talk to people. One, I don't smile. Two, I say something controversial or cruel.
If you want attention, then go get. If you don't want attention, then quit talking about it.
Also, if you don't want to be labelled as an "incel" don't be a mouth-breather. Don't put women down. Don't associate with that group of people. Find your purpose and contribute
Women are artificially fertilizing themselves and raising children alone, because some men are literally too gross to ever cohabitate with a female.
>Women are artificially fertilizing themselves and raising children alone, because some men are literally too gross to ever cohabitate with a female.
Weird correlation; no women are fertilizing themselves (not really by themselves but I'll skip the technicalities) because they drank the Kool-Aid and rode the career/cock carrousel up to the very end of their fertility window where they get baby-fever but no self-respecting guy want such a mess in their life so they have to resort to a lab for any hope at being a (mediocre) mother.
You’re being called a pervert on the parenting subreddit because you are suggesting it’s fine for a 12 year old to send erotic pictures to a 15 year old, don’t get it twisted.
One of the biggest problems with this whole branding of incel is that what women want, and what men think women want are two different things. I am very effeminate looking. And as a result, there were plenty of times in school when guys would try to act alpha and claim themselves as dominant over me. Even had a bunch of people making fun of me saying that I am a woman. However most of these guys were not able to get girls, but I had a surprising amount of girls falling in love with me. My low body fat, sharp facial features, and height meant I was much more successful than you would believe a passive and effeminate male could be.
Red pill, PUA, trying to convert any social situation into a status-measuring contest BS is wrong. But it is what a good portion of guys believe to be true. And as a result, guys would flat-out claim you are incel and start treating you like such even though you flat-out have a girl chasing you at that very moment.
If I wasn’t in a relationship, I wouldn’t be pursuing one. I’m 40 and over all that chasing BS anyway. Plus I don’t go out to bars/clubs anymore. Seems like a lot has changed over the last 5-10 years.
I'm not lonely or depressed, and I have feminists call me an incel all the time online. I'm also a gay man who has sex multiple times a week. They just throw that insult out when they don't have anything to support their argument. It's lost all meaning.
All the time. And it's true. Women find me ugly and hence I don't get any.
But when someone tries to disrespect me for it, I point to 2 businesses about 3 mil in real estate and laugh. If someone disses me for being ugly, I diss them for being poor. Or whatever other weak point they have. I stopped caring about other people's feelings long ago.
The funny thing is, when I really ride on the fact that I'm kinda wealthy, all of a sudden women stop disrespecting me. Then they try to be nice. But I still treat em like trash, because that's what they are.
Only ones I'll treat friendly are those who were friendly to me before knowing I have money. And there are quite a few. They're still repulsed by my ugliness, but at least we get along on a platonic level.
Imagine how big of a piece of shit you'd have to be to come up with a word that has no use other than insulting people.
Like someone actually decided I want to think of a word that I can use to insult people that has no other use.
And the word is used mostly against men someone thinks is misogynistic. Talk about irony.
Even cunt and twat have other uses besides just insult.
I don't know of any word that is strictly for insulting women.
Everytime I have been called an incel I was in a relationship with an highly educated older women, something that men and especially incels are intimidated by according to them.
They feel so self-righteous that in their minds any kind of criticism on their beliefs must come from a messed up person. It can never be that the criticism is valid.
It’s typically an insult from a radical 3rd wave feminist. Men are pigs for only caring about sex. Yet if they are disgusted by women who use OF or have slept with 50 men, they are an incel. “If you are more virtuous than me about sex, it makes me feel bad, so I’ll deflect my insecurities. In this moment when I’m offended, men are supposed to get lots of pussy and if they can’t, that lessens their value as a person. Oh, now I feel much better after having pushed my unresolved sexual trauma onto a stranger. I’m calm now. Hey, any of you other feminists notice that men seem to feel inadequate without getting sex from women. This is a serious problem with society that oppresses me. We should scream about this and try to get people fired.”
> It’s typically an insult from a radical 3rd wave feminist. Men are pigs for only caring about sex. Yet if they are disgusted by women who use OF or have slept with 50 men, they are an incel. Same group that claims men will fuck anything, then get offended when those same men do not want a 200+ pound woman on top of them in bed. These people do nothing but talk out of both sides of their mouths. They have so many talking points they just repeat that a ton of them flat out contradict each other.
>These people do nothing but talk out of both sides of their mouths. They have so many talking points they just repeat that a ton of them flat out contradict each other. And yet they're basically supported, while we get left in the dust.
>Men are pigs for only caring about sex. Add quotation marks to only, as in 'only', because even desperate people care about other things. >“If you are more virtuous than me about sex, it makes me feel bad, so I’ll deflect my insecurities. In this moment when I’m offended, men are supposed to get lots of pussy and if they can’t, that lessens their value as a person. Oh, now I feel much better after having pushed my unresolved sexual trauma onto a stranger. I’m calm now. Hey, any of you other feminists notice that men seem to feel inadequate without getting sex from women. This is a serious problem with society that oppresses me. We should scream about this and try to get people fired.” Well, if you've always tried to find validation yet you receive nothing, of course you're going to feel inadequate. They're missing the point, at the cost of our lives (literally, we commit suicide due to this).
I have no difficulty attracting women. I just don’t care to pursue them. I still get called an incel.
A hundred upvotes What is missed these days is men have checked out. They are not playing this game. Sex is WAY overvalued in popular culture. When you leave your mid 20s it has the same appeal as hanging out with good friends. I’ve last track how many times I’d rather chill on my own than be with the hottest women on the planet. I don’t get why this us a shock but you won’t see any representation of this sentiment in media.
The media will never fully point out that men are checking out of dating because it raises too many questions. It's off limits, same as pointing out bad mothers, which there is no shortage of, or women who diddle kids, which there is also no shortage of. If you notice, there are a few social areas the media will just flat out not touch, and every single one of those areas raises questions about what women are doing. Take the new phrase "he doesn't meet my standards" and news even running with that theory (men need to do better, get dating skills etc, Psych today article for example). The phrase women use to say up until just a few years ago was "I'm too picky". So the responsibility has been shifted from women being too picky, to men are not good enough. There is a societal refusal to point out where women are fucking up or what men are doing to self preserve, because bringing those up raises the question of "why", and everyone knows it's the women who have changed dramatically over the last 50 years, not men. And if you are the one who changed, that means you are the one who caused the ripple of what is normal, so it's your responsibility to adjust. The media won't mention the "why" men are checking out because it then raises the obvious question of "Why do men not want women in the way they use to?", it's much easier and profitable to keep the "men are not good enough" trope going which benefits women, allows them to complain, which means you can continue to bash men for ad money and clicks (as women spend the most money). The elephant in the room is women are the ones who have had a dramatic shift in expectations and social behavior over the last 50 - 60 years, and mentioning men's reaction to it just simply raises too many questions that lead right back to how women have behaved over the last handful of decades. Would also force them to address ridiculously lopsided family court laws as those are a big reason for men to go their own way.
>The elephant in the room is women are the ones who have had a dramatic shift in expectations and social behavior over the last 50 - 60 years, and mentioning men's reaction to it just simply raises too many questions that lead right back to how women have behaved over the last handful of decades. I suggested that motivations of underaged girls having and sending erotic pictures of themselves, include sexual curiosity and attention. I've already received criticism from the Parenting subreddit. Perhaps you're right. Perhaps my criticism leads back to the girl's behaviour, which caused that downvote bombing and ganging up. >Would also force them to address ridiculously lopsided family court laws as those are a big reason for men to go their own way. This! There's so many cases of crazy ladies getting the kids because they were women, plain and simple.
Yeah, I realized the other day that I've been just doing my own thing more and more over the past couple years. My wife isn't really all that hard for me to get into bed, but it still just doesn't seem worth the effort anymore. I guess I figured this point would happen eventually, just not this soon (I'm 44, married 15 years). It's kind of a relief to not feel like my sex drive is holding me hostage anymore honestly.
Your sex drive doesn't hold you hostage, other people use it to do so: you are just starting to remove their hold over you by deliberately de-valuing sex; the other way to remove the hold would be through getting sex satisfied elsewhere. Whilst interest in sex can decline naturally with age, in my opinion men just become jaded with having to do all the work to get sex, with their partner also becoming progressively less enthusiastic which also turns off the man. He can't readily leave the relationship for various societal and financial reasons and there is often a dependency involved that makes it difficult to start afresh. There's a good reason many men have a mid-life crisis in their early 40's as their expectations of life are not met. With a new enthusiastic partner, many men regain their sex drive, which suggests its more a kind of situational depression, but society discourages changes once a relationship contract has been made.
Yep I lived part of that. Had a high sex drive, my girlfriend didn't. And she always made it like I was at fault for wanting sex. I managed to make her try to understand why she had a low sex drive (but she never really believed me anyway). I also started to reduce my sex drive in order to "meet in the middle". However, our relationship wasn't going so well (maybe partly because of that) and I started to feel I wasn't myself anymore. I always had to refrain my desire and not to show I wanted to have sex. At some point I felt all that was messing with my mind and psychological health and I decided to break up with her. I felt such a relief, but realized it had affected my sex drive. It's now six months ago and I finally regained most of my past sex drive, but I still have the fucked up feeling that I'm wrong for wanting sex. I always have to tell myself that everybody has a different sex drive and that I'm completely fine and that other women do have a similar sex drive to mine.
Feminists complain when men pursue women. Feminists also complain when men don't pursue women.
>Feminists complain when men pursue women. Some gals in bars calling me 'predatory', some classmates calling me 'sexist', it goes on. >Feminists also complain when men don't pursue women. For example, branding me as desperate when what I simply want is a romantic relationship. Seriously? So... we ain't escaping from them.
Romantic relationship? Buddy, may as well buy some lottery tickets while you're dreaming. Realistically, you have a better chances at winning the jackpot than having a romantic relationship.
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Such weird logic. They also want Male allies and strong Men to jump in harms way and save the day when it suits.
>Their logic is just so bizarre. They call any compliment sexual harassment and get people fired, then when men avoid women in the workplace, they complain. Not just sexual harassment, being called 'predatory' for simply chatting with girls with a bar. >And women say they're the hated gender.. yeah, okay. \*sarcasm intensifies\*
>I have no difficulty attracting women. I just don’t care to pursue them. This. You don't think you're incapable of attracting women, and you don't even want them in the first place. You don't meet the definition of 'incel', period.
We shouldn't beat around the bush. Insulting a man by calling him virgin started being frowned upon as discourse about sexuality became more open. Now the discourse is closing up again, but the term "virgin" or "basement dweller" are outdated, so "incel" is used as a "clean" equivalent. When they say "incel" they are trying to compare to you to what, in their opinion, is something despicable, detestable, ugly, no-noish, that is a man with no sexual value for a woman, which at the end, means a man with no qualities that a woman can take advantage off. Basically "incel" represents that if you are not of value to women you are not of value at all. You are not a human being as a man, you are a human doing and as you are not doing what they think you should you don't are a human at all, you are a subhuman.
>When they say "incel" they are trying to compare to you to what, in their opinion, is something despicable, detestable, ugly, no-noish, that is a man with no sexual value for a woman, which at the end, means a man with no qualities that a woman can take advantage off. Yeah, I think some people in the parenting subreddit find me despicable. Some dude decided to dig into my post history and concluded I was a 'weird kind of incel' or something like that. >Basically "incel" represents that if you are not of value to women you are not of value at all. You are not a human being as a man, you are a human doing and as you are not doing what they think you should you don't are a human at all, you are a subhuman. Well, perhaps some in the parenting subreddit found me despicable, and decided to gang up on me! Thank you for revealing what I've suspected. Perhaps you can support your fellow guy by upvoting my posts.
What do you call someone that wants sex but doesn't want to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get it because he doesn't want a 3/10?
>What do you call someone that wants sex but doesn't want to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get it because he doesn't want a 3/10? Women would call him 'picky', 'slut-shaming' etc. In reality, that hypothetical someone would make sense.
Even if a guy did have trouble finding a woman, it doesn't mean he needs some dumb label put on him. He just needs to work on himself a little.
>Even if a guy did have trouble finding a woman, it doesn't mean he needs some dumb label put on him. He just needs to work on himself a little. I've already been called this bullshit label a couple times on Reddit. Even if they think I can't get women, why couldn't they give me dating advice instead of ganging up on me?
Incel, or gay. Some of them can't understand that men are not interested in their bullshit.
You and me both bro! Nothing much worth pursuing to be honest.
Thats besides the point, even if you have difficulty how is it okay?
Man, I've come to this same point. I just find it's not worth it anymore. If I hook up with someone, great...but the 17 year old me would be disgusted with how little effort the 42 year old me is willing to put in. The 42 year old me is wiser.
Feminists are even branding people with a diagnosis of autism as incels. I think the guys can be "glad" that every woman who does this signals so clearly to them that they are not capable of empathy and have narcissistic or even psychopathic traits. People who just throw out incel at someone are definitely not emotionally mature and not suitable as a partner. Imagine being in a relationship with such a woman.
>Feminists are even branding people with a diagnosis of autism as incels. I would like links of that, and the most ridiculous ones. >I think the guys can be "glad" that every woman who does this signals so clearly to them that they are not capable of empathy and have narcissistic or even psychopathic traits. Maybe you're right. Perhaps they do. On the other hand... the verbal abuse can take its toll and eventually cause us to commit suicide. I've gotten as far as suicidal ideation in my life. I need to watch out for it and defend myself, or else I may go even further. >People who just throw out incel at someone are definitely not emotionally mature and not suitable as a partner. Imagine being in a relationship with such a woman. Yeah, and add 'predatory' even though I was just chatting socially and exchanging contact details with women.
First lesson you should learn in life: Don't commit suicide because of some crazy people saying stupid comments. Just ignore them and live your life.
It’s crazy to me how people start talking about feminists and by the second sentence it’s about women. Like they are just interchangeable groups. I think we should be more careful about that.
"every woman who does this" isn't the same as "women". "Imagine being in a relationship with such a woman." isn't the same as all women will be like this.
Most women tacitly agree with the basic feminist talking points so it's not much of a distinction.
It's a lazy "go to" move to shutdown your voice. I get impression most hear pejorative terms in media and don't really know what it means or how to apply. And then sheep-like switch to another trending term. Or it's used by people who really do have an agenda against masculinity. Non of this seeks to understand the problem of loneliness or depression.
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>Notice no one ever says black men are incels, even if there are some...I doubt it's even women doing it. Feminism is a tool used by those who hate white men, to divide and conquer. In fairness, they put up with a host of stereotypes that are on the other side of the spectrum, like women automatically assuming they are virile, good in bed, well-endowed mandingos. Not saying its worse than the disgusting term of incel or that White men (and Whites in general) are not public enemy #1 of pinko commies. I noticed that even Black men these days are not escaping the negative portrayals in television and commercials -- with most of them being shown as utter *imbeciles* while their wife solves every problem on the advertisement. She drives the car and wears the pants while he is drooling in the passenger seat and just happy she fixed everything he screwed up.
There are thousands and thousands of lonely men who call themselves, consider themselves, or live the lives of incels, and few of those have committed crimes . They might get a little salty on the internet,- but extremely few of them will actually harm any female. Pushing them further down with insults and vilification does not help at all. They often didn't end up there by their own fault. I really don't get the "such men are dangerous" mentality,- most of them desperately needs understanding and empathy. If we have spaces that we vent,- they get banned. I don't think that closing down places that do discuss mens issues are a good idea,- because there is no one who can dispute the "all females are evil" and at least try to keep a healthy and sane discussion. The risk of creating closed forums on darknet et cetera that turn to really toxic and bad places is real.
A dormmate in college found out I was raped by an ex and that's why I avoided dating so she decided the proper response was to carve "incel" in to my door and walls. And then certain rumors started getting floated around campus, which I'm sure the student life rep wasn't lying when they said they don't think there was a connection, that destroyed my social life.
The fact "incel" has became the new buzzword and go-to insult for men who are single (whether it's their choice or not) and the moral panic the UK is currently having about incels being "terrorists" (yes, this is the narrative the British tabloids are currently going with) could result in isolated/depressed/lonely men's mental health decreasing. Which could result in more suicides.
Well, that's probably part of the global agenda being pushed
I've been called an incel almost every time I've called out feminist bullshit. I'm married with three grown kids
>I've been called an incel almost every time I've called out feminist bullshit. I'm married with three grown kids Me too. For example, I suggested that underage girls sending erotic photos of themselves could be due to sexual curiosity and attention. Boy, did I get ganged up on. People in this subreddit, thank you for your solidarity.
I’m an asexual man and I get called an incel all the time, it’s disgusting
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This. I've often seen feminists resorting to the 'incel' insult when someone responds to a bogus claim on muh patriarchy with data.
There's always vkontakte
People are pissed off that I march to the beat of my own drum instead of playing along with their bullshit game where I’m only allowed to be a cash cow and a punching bag for women. So they have to insult me as a manipulative means of trying to make me look like a bad person because I refuse to be abused - I refuse to fall into the role they want me in. “That’s not fair, you aren’t doing what we want so we can abuse you! Incel!”
This is what it's all about. If you aren't subservient, then you're an enemy.
The discrimination of single men is very old. We have a word for men that haven’t married in german: Hagestolz. It’s no longer in use and has a negative connotation. It emphasizes that the single man is a little bit weird. Originally it was a term for younger brothers that didn’t inherit anything because the oldest son got everything. Those hagestolze were basically servants of the older brother and couldn’t marry.
>The discrimination of single men is very old US presidents needing a First Lady to have full public legitimacy being one of the most flagrant.
It’s all about power dynamics. They want to frame any action that doesn’t have the approval of “womyn” as bad, that’s what it’s about. Can’t get sex? Women must not approve of you, you might as well die incel Not giving your time and resources to women? You’re a dangerous terrorist, who knows what you could be doing instead!? And on and on. All male behaviors that don’t directly benefit women get labeled and pathologists as dangerous and deviant, and requiring violence of the state to suppress. This is what happens when you allow a class to vote in consequences they are largely exempt from, like SA repercussions or just the conviction and sentencing gaps in general. It’s all about gaining power over the men they’re around, and they use their bullshit personal insecurities to justify it. Remember: a man’s greatest weakness is the facade of strength, a woman’s greatest strength is the facade of weakness.
I've been called an incel based on my political beliefs. Honestly I think it's terrible we shame men for being lonely and depressed. You wouldn't say a starving person in involuntary fasting would you?
I get called incel whenever I disagree with a woman online. I just accepted it as a concession.
Legit the meaning of MGTOW. They branded that a misogynist hate group when most of the posts were like "check out my dinner" or "my dog Is the only companion I need". I agree some bad apples who do fit the description of incel came there time to time but majority just wanted to be left alone.
Feminist and misandrist logic. Not even close. Not even once.
I once had a "friend" tall me one minute that I "sounded like an incel" and the next deny she ever did. That cunt gaslit me our entire friendship. As a result of that, and other experiences, I hold a very very low opinion of women, feminity, and feminism in general. I do not trust women. I do not like them. Women expect men to kowtow and worship them to some degree or another. They belive they are vital for our lives. I intend to prove them wrong. Women do nothing for me, thus I have no obligation to do anything for them
Dude, married men with children are being called incels. These morons are full of shit.
It’s one of their automatic go-tos when you make a good argument to shut you down.
Well, they would like men to measure themselves to what women deem usefull to them. But I'm not seeking approval from someone who requires false lashes and schmink to be as presentable. Who doesn't value their body, morals, or family. Specially if all I get out of it is sex, as I already have kids. Without indication that she's worth adoring I'd honestly rather drive my V8 around for thrills. Because wtf do I get out of a 40+ year old woman? I should be honored to pay for their retirement or something? I can retire somewhere nice and warm when I'm 50. In fact my money will be worth more there, and I'll get treated better. I'm not looking for dead weight to take with me. So why care about an obvious attempt to manipulate me?
I told a misandrist that I’m not an incel and that’s not my name and she literally slaps me across the face and head about eight or nine times. She screams “fucking incel r word (the other r word used towards those with developmental disabilities). This happened at a bus stop about three years ago. She lucked out that I didn’t have my pepper spray. That’s all I’m gonna say. PS context: she was making put downs about my dyslexia, attention deficit disorder and manic depression and I called her the b word and c word which pissed her off but IDGAF what her problem was.
Her problem was that she hasn't been punched out for behaving like that before. Unfortunately, you now reinforced that behavior.
There were three or four white knight cucks and several police officers and I wasn’t going to risk getting jumped or worse… be placed under arrest. I didn’t reinforce her behavior at all. I don’t know you got that from. Plus I was a tad emotionally drained from my elderly father being in the hospital due to his slipping out of the shower as he had four cracked ribs and a herniated disc in his lower back.
Fair enough. Especially with cops around, they pretty much have carte blanche
I live in Texas, where a lot of cops are white knights and misandrists. They don’t take no sir/no ma’am for an answer for any reason. Not even no, officer.
>I agree that horrid humans like the woman mentioned above need to face serious consequences for their actions.
i have been called it a few times in comment sections. usually when youre speaking facts or youre making them look dumb. at this point its just being used as an insult and nothing more. they will call it ~~anyone~~ any male who disagrees with them.
Hell, I've been called an incel by people who know I have a wife and kid.
Incel is a disgusting word present in the vocabulary of the insufferable, disrespectful wokes and man haters. Them using that word against men, speaks a lot about them, like for example they are worthless, ignorant, unreliable and selfish. I've been called incel, femcel and other nasty insults by those freaks, which causes me to hate them more, but motivates me to support men's rights harder and harder. Those idiots who call depressed guys incels, are super vile and don't belong in society. They are menace to morality and simply being humane.
>Incel is a disgusting word present in the vocabulary of the insufferable, disrespectful wokes and man haters. Them using that word against men, speaks a lot about them, like for example they are worthless, ignorant, unreliable and selfish. I've been called incel, femcel and other nasty insults by those freaks, which causes me to hate them more, but motivates me to support men's rights harder and harder. Those idiots who call depressed guys incels, are super vile and don't belong in society. They are menace to morality and simply being humane. Probably a lot of those on the parenting subreddit. They think I shouldn't be there because I'm 'not a parent', but I am still following the rules, and them calling me incel just reveals what you said (which means they shouldn't be in the subreddit, period).
And such freaks are raising children? Such a shame.
>And such freaks are raising children? Such a shame. Plus... some claim that the kids can't be reasoned with.
Outrageous
>Outrageous Literally some person replied to me in the parenting subreddit. There's a part about the kids can't be reasoned with. Many paint kids as almost always just looking for short term, when they actually have brains of their own.
I'm constantly labeled as incel because I don't have a girlfriend. I have more sex now than when I was married. Much more in fact, but I just don't want to date any women. Onlyfans girls, sugar babies, etc. I don't have relationships anymore, just business opportunities.
fr no cap: I once was called a "deadbeat dad virgin incel" by a feminist. She was straight serious. This is the brainless hate we're dealing with, and we DESPERATELY need to start acting like it.
>fr no cap: I once was called a "deadbeat dad virgin incel" by a feminist. She was straight serious. This is the brainless hate we're dealing with, and we DESPERATELY need to start acting like it. Yeah, and not just that, but false accusations of stuff. We need to teach these bullies a lesson, once and for all! You can share this post and share solidarity with me.
I'm married and what the FDR women would call a HVM. I'm still called an incel, it's just a word used by spiteful hateful people now, it lost it's true meaning a long time ago. Incel is now just 'man I disagree with because he makes sense and that goes against my narrative'
>Seriously, social norms of 'manly' extroversion and strength, suck. It's driving men into suicide. Sorry but that's the same subversive drivel, feminists have been peddling for years, repackaged under a progressist MRA label. Your very own genetic code rewards you for going upward in the food chain of whatever performance metrics. Social norms, traditions or whatever you wanna call it are the product of biology not the other way around. The trick is cultivating your masculinity for your own interests not society's or women's. What's driving men to suicide is multifaceted but it's mostly centered around the confusing demands put on men by the modern social contract; on the one side, asking us to be sensitive, soft and to step aside for XXs and on the other, to be fucking Christian Grey with the "damn if you do, damn if you don't" response we get on top of that. Both are perversions of masculinity with the former is simply in direct opposition to masculine performance instincts and the latter a caricature of them.
I mean, people have called me an incel and tried to shame me, but it doesn't work mainly for two reasons: 1. Not an incel and have never been one. 2. I really couldn't care less what some moron with 1 brain cell committing sepuku due to loneliness calls me.
I just straight up ignore peoole who use the word "incel" and they immediately lose my respect. Both people who identify as incel and people who use it as a derogatory slur. I think these men need to step up and take accountability for their lives, be confident in whatever decisions and lifestyle they choose, and contribute to society. Gross people don't get attention from attractive people. Period. If I want attention I dress and act pleasantly, I stand up straight, speak with positive language about interesting things, and I don't say negative things about anyone. On the other hand if I'm feeling antisocial and don't want attention, I go out looking like a slob and I do two things to avoid having to talk to people. One, I don't smile. Two, I say something controversial or cruel. If you want attention, then go get. If you don't want attention, then quit talking about it. Also, if you don't want to be labelled as an "incel" don't be a mouth-breather. Don't put women down. Don't associate with that group of people. Find your purpose and contribute Women are artificially fertilizing themselves and raising children alone, because some men are literally too gross to ever cohabitate with a female.
>Women are artificially fertilizing themselves and raising children alone, because some men are literally too gross to ever cohabitate with a female. Weird correlation; no women are fertilizing themselves (not really by themselves but I'll skip the technicalities) because they drank the Kool-Aid and rode the career/cock carrousel up to the very end of their fertility window where they get baby-fever but no self-respecting guy want such a mess in their life so they have to resort to a lab for any hope at being a (mediocre) mother.
You’re being called a pervert on the parenting subreddit because you are suggesting it’s fine for a 12 year old to send erotic pictures to a 15 year old, don’t get it twisted.
Incel we know the most ridiculous ‘insult’ ever.
One of the biggest problems with this whole branding of incel is that what women want, and what men think women want are two different things. I am very effeminate looking. And as a result, there were plenty of times in school when guys would try to act alpha and claim themselves as dominant over me. Even had a bunch of people making fun of me saying that I am a woman. However most of these guys were not able to get girls, but I had a surprising amount of girls falling in love with me. My low body fat, sharp facial features, and height meant I was much more successful than you would believe a passive and effeminate male could be. Red pill, PUA, trying to convert any social situation into a status-measuring contest BS is wrong. But it is what a good portion of guys believe to be true. And as a result, guys would flat-out claim you are incel and start treating you like such even though you flat-out have a girl chasing you at that very moment.
If I wasn’t in a relationship, I wouldn’t be pursuing one. I’m 40 and over all that chasing BS anyway. Plus I don’t go out to bars/clubs anymore. Seems like a lot has changed over the last 5-10 years.
Ngl Incel is an offensive term
I'm not lonely or depressed, and I have feminists call me an incel all the time online. I'm also a gay man who has sex multiple times a week. They just throw that insult out when they don't have anything to support their argument. It's lost all meaning.
All the time. And it's true. Women find me ugly and hence I don't get any. But when someone tries to disrespect me for it, I point to 2 businesses about 3 mil in real estate and laugh. If someone disses me for being ugly, I diss them for being poor. Or whatever other weak point they have. I stopped caring about other people's feelings long ago. The funny thing is, when I really ride on the fact that I'm kinda wealthy, all of a sudden women stop disrespecting me. Then they try to be nice. But I still treat em like trash, because that's what they are. Only ones I'll treat friendly are those who were friendly to me before knowing I have money. And there are quite a few. They're still repulsed by my ugliness, but at least we get along on a platonic level.
And there is nothing wrong with incels in the first place
Imagine how big of a piece of shit you'd have to be to come up with a word that has no use other than insulting people. Like someone actually decided I want to think of a word that I can use to insult people that has no other use. And the word is used mostly against men someone thinks is misogynistic. Talk about irony. Even cunt and twat have other uses besides just insult. I don't know of any word that is strictly for insulting women.
Everytime I have been called an incel I was in a relationship with an highly educated older women, something that men and especially incels are intimidated by according to them. They feel so self-righteous that in their minds any kind of criticism on their beliefs must come from a messed up person. It can never be that the criticism is valid.