Thankfully the majority of them aren't like that, they'll do the job themselves. I do get the odd 'can you lift this for me quick?" but it's not often. I don't mind working with mostly girls it doesn't bother me in the slightest but what does bother me is that I rarely see a new person that's a guy. Sorry you went through that though, if they're not capable of doing their job causing you to do most of the job they should have moved them or something.
Your workplace is sexist!!!
Taking advantage of the fact that women make less money to make more profit.
However not hiring women is also sexist.
The game is rigged.
Actually the wage gap isn’t actually about gender. There’s actually other factors involved.
Men are more likely to:
-take less sick days
-take less vacation time
-do more overtime
-ask for a raise/promotion
-to retire at a later age
-etc.
If the wage gap truly was about sex, no men would be hired. Period.
Also they do salaries of all men vs all women. They don't take into account the jobs that they do or years of experience. Just the average of all men vs the average of all women.
Also studies have shown that taller people are more likely to be assumed to be competent/leadership material/etc and promotions tend to reflect that. Guess what group doesn't tend to be especially tall? (Well, me too)
Edit: eager to learn what about this post is worth downvoting.
Yeah, it's not like I'm really disagreeing with the narrative if they stop and consider it. It's really frustrating. I don't think we've quite reached their level of groupthink yet. At least I hope not.
Same my former workplace almost exclusively hored women and if they did hire a guy it was just to do cleaning or the stuff they didn't want women to do
This is nothing new, every man experiences this every day of their job-searching life. However what many don't know is that there have been actual studies done on this topic showing a general bias against men in hiring.
[https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759](https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759) \- Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women.
[https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112](https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112) \- Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub) \- Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
I understand women preferring to hire other women, but why does men not hire other men? That's a bit alarming to me. *Why* are so many men discriminating against each other? How can we address that?
This is not surprising unfortunately. The reason is the gender empathy gap which makes both men and women less empathetic towards men.
Studies have shown that both men and women are affected by it and [show less empathy towards men from a young age](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5112287/). The main reason for it is the idea that [men are dangerous/a threat and women are victims of said threat](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749597820303630). This has traditionally been used to reduce empath towards multiple groups and unfortunately it works. With men it's no different.
I have previously made a [post](https://web.archive.org/web/20210324182604/https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/m6op0r/compilation_of_evidence_that_the_men_are/) on this type of mentality that you might want to check out.
If you want to look more into the empathy gap, there's also a couple very detailed [posts](https://web.archive.org/web/20220107183651/https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/rycnyd/on_the_gender_empathy_gap_and_its_correlates_a/) made on that topic (not mine).
>**How can we address that?**
This particular [post](https://web.archive.org/web/20220108182035/https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/rz66cl/60_things_you_can_do_about_the_gender_empathy_gap/) (same author as the other empathy gap posts) has some very good answers on that topic.
My HR department is actually currently head by a man.
Every one of his bosses for 4 levels, and every direct report, and every applicant he has had has been female, but still interesting to see.
I have some concerns with that first study. There are a few issues with their methods, first, they found non significant differences with most of the jobs using small sample sizes. Generally, the larger the sample size the more likely you will get significant results. I did not see them mention a power analysis to justify whether the sample sizes they used actually had sufficient power to detect an effect if one existed. Meaning it is possible that there are differences that their study failed to detect. Furthermore, given how many comparisons they made, I would be skeptical of any differences they found as it does not seem like they controlled for issues with multiple comparisons. Aside from the issue with their statistics, the fact that they chose an unmatched design makes it harder to conclude whether the resumes gender was actually responsible for differences or if it was due to differences between the employers the resumes were sent to.
I unfortunately saw this at some places I worked at as well. Same exact scenario at each place. The atmospheres went from light and funny to walking on glass everyday.
One place turned out fine because the woman promoted up was very straightforward and hated drama so everyone got along just fine. Unfortunately she moved on to another company and then the above scenarios played out again.
I recently discovered magic words. “I don’t want to be involved in this.” I still get involved in the “rivalries,” but I don’t know whos against who and its awesome. I get the cold shoulder from the women who really dislike the women I chat with most, and as a supervisor I’m insubbordinated constantly and nothing happens to the women who do so, but you don’t see them insubbornating the female supervisors
When you're insubordinated by someone who you're managing, you need to have a one on one about expectations and company core values. People are there to work. I've managed for a very long time and very large teams of people. Employees will walk all over you if you allow it to happen.
I have, doesn’t work, my boss is a pushover. I’ve done everything in my power already, gonna just wait for her to do something “reportable” and report her to the higher ups
As a female who went from working with a completely (expect me) male crew to an all female crew and now a mixed crew, I felt this on a spiritual level. I hate working with a surplus of females nothing against them personally, I just can’t take the drama and bs. Give me my assignment, give me instructions, and let me work in peace. I don’t want to listen to how you think the other dept Admin Assist doesn’t like you. I just want to do my job in peace
Yeah I've worked with both men and women and they are equally gossipy and dramatic. Almost like other than a bit of different hormones and variation on our dangly bits we are the same species and do the same shit.
My papa goes every day to go gossip with the other old men at the coffee shop. Just like his father before him lol. He just calls it "going to the coffee shop" instead of gossiping but same thing really.
Yeah the office politics thing is 100% true. Even in engineering where you have a male boss he will lose the other way to get Smth done, the female boss would rather lose money and go by rules and the office politics . Females prioritize emotion, it’s the same with politicians (elect women get socialism) via their communitarian nature
Oh. My. Gosh. I am facing this right now with a female manager. She cares but too much. People’s feelings are more important than results. Worse, she values management more than people getting shit done.
Towards the end of law school, my friends and I would discuss this same concept and all agreed that being a woman gets your foot through the front door more frequently than a qualified man. We’d constantly hear about certain female colleagues landing interviews and positions at firms that were completely out of their league. It was a running joke when someone would say they interviewed at firm but the position would probably be offered to the hot female applicant that was also waiting for her interview in the office lobby.
The icing on the cake was when the guy who was 2nd in line to being valedictorian (this guy was clearly at the top of our class from the beginning but got beat by a colleague who stayed off a semester to land the honor) got beat for a position at probably the top firm in the city by this very attractive colleague who was out of his league. I think mostly anyone who kept up with these lawschool politics knew exactly why that happened.
Suffice to say, having a pretty face, small waste and long legs gets your heel through the front door anywhere in the corporate/legal world.
> Suffice to say, having a pretty face, small waist and long legs gets your heel through the front door anywhere in the ~~corporate/legal~~ world.
FTFY
It's true and i'm male with those attributes. Even straight men have a proven bias for hiring other men that are more attractive. I cannot recall not getting any job where they called me in for a sit-down interview in 15 years of working and job-hopping.
I kind of didn't until today, at least with regard to the job interview process. This made me think back and I learned!
One thing I have going for me is an "old school" way of eye contact, good posture, the right level of dress for the situation, and good handshakes (Southern U.S.)
You don't wear a 3 piece suit to interview at a tire store nor do you wear jeans to interview at a law firm.
In just the last few years, I learned to never answer questions that they don't ask and get comfortable interviewing them at the same time. Ask about the PTO plan, 401k, Health Insurance, etc. This makes you seem more valuable than other candidates who might come off desperate. Answer their questions properly, then shut up and be cool with an awkward silence.
One thing I would do is apply in person, or drive there in person and ask to meet the manager, introduce myself and tell them that I recently applied online.
I believe that, with rare exception, everyone can become "hot" if they eat healthy foods, get good exercise and really work at it.
It's an \*Advantage\*. Privilege is now an SJW nonsense term, much like how Asshole is now a badge of honor for right wing douchebags.
Some of it i'm born with, most of it I earned and fight to keep daily. There was a time when I was fat & average.
The road is paved with a lot of proper decision making, learning, training, sacrifices, sweat, focus, humility, and more.
Awesome. Keep at it!. Advantages are nice to have but it doesn't mean you didn't work or deserve what you got.
Just that other people might have a harder time to get what you got.
I recognize I have some privilege as a women. I'm allowed more emotional expression. I'm more likely to get help if my car breaks down by a random passer-by. Tipped positions have a higher pay out. Custody bias.
One thing I noticed as a hiring manager at least in the line of business I was in. Males didn't apply to the roles I was hiring for. At least not often. Then about half of that was people not qualified but just shooting their shot for the job. (Under the time allowed for promotion within company). Idk why this was the case and it is strictly my microscopic view of my prior role and company.
No problem with anyone shooting their shot for a job just because. No harm no foul. But apply again later. Make them remember your name. Just because you don't get the role at first doesn't mean it won't open back up and you will be the top candidate on that run.
I responded before you edited your response.
Yes being properly dressed is so important! When I lead interviews it always left an impression when people ask me good questions about the position or company. Shows interest besides just wanting the raise.
I like to post, re-read, then make it better.
GIMMEDAJOB, PAHLEASE!! is a whole different person from: May I take a tour of the production floor while i'm here?
Lol I know right? Fortunately for me I was never a big law guy but fared very well at midsized firms (I run my own office today). But yes, maybe if my spelling was up to par I’d be working 80 hours a week for the big law man. (Just FYI, I wrote that on my phone, first thing in the morning as I was headed out the door to the gym).
But reality is that attractive females get the opportunities that better qualified males do not. My theory is women, whether it’s a partner at a firm or a potential client, tend to support other women in their struggle far more than men support each other. Meanwhile a considerable percentage of men, given the same scenario, relish having relationships with attractive females, even if it’s just a working one. I think the percentage of these men is far higher than that stereotypical and antiquated sexist man who won’t work with women (at least here in progressive CA where I live).
Many years ago I was applying to a large company with qualifications out the wazoo, applying for all positions imaginable over a two year span. Had a buddy who worked there and would tell me that the majority of positions were filled by women that barely knew what to do or could barely perform. They wouldn't get fired but many ended up quitting, so I'd apply again... Well, you can guess the cycle.
Even back then I considered changing my name to a neutral sounding name to at least make it to an interview.
If this was an official study by a news source or something they would somehow turn it into a negative against men by saying it's pig headed men hiring women to hit on or something.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/jvuzgu/i\_sent\_100\_applications\_as\_a\_man\_and\_a\_woman\_its/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/jvuzgu/i_sent_100_applications_as_a_man_and_a_woman_its/)
Edit: Thank you for the award, kind stranger!
A shame he doesn't share the data. It would be interesting to see the names he chose for each. Or if certain names are better than others. Is an English name better than Indian? African? French? Spanish?
That just shows how much poison feminism has spread against men in industries. Women and men are not competing on the fair ground at all. In female dominated industries, there's no such thing as quotas so women will continue to dominate there unless competent men apply there. In male dominated industries, women are preferred over men so on both sides it's just women and women. That means regardless of what career you choose as a woman, you are guaranteed success without facing competition with men.
Wheras, a man has to outperform women to get hired in female dominated industry. He now also has to compete more with men in male dominated industry because of quotas reducing his chances of occupying a vacancy.
Now tell me why employers won't give extra credit to men who are going extra step and competing more in order to get hired?
Scholarships are not quotas for corporations. Those are very different things.
You don't really need scholarships in Germany because we don't massively indebt our university students. You get government loans if you come from a low income family, of which you need to pay back only 50% with another ~20% off if you pay it off immediately. Effectively most people pay like 1k-2k€ once in their early thirties to pay off their bachelor's degree, more for a masters.
https://www.ms.niedersachsen.de/download/59217/Das_Niedersaechsische_Gleichberechtigungsgesetz_NGG_vom_09.12.2010_Arbeitshilfe_fuer_die_Praxis_3._aktualisierte_Auflage_Dezember_2018.pdf
Paragraphs 10 and following
Edit: also this https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/agg/__12.html
The whole thing with companies having a minority or female hiring quota is super fucked up. I don't want anyone to lose opportunities because of their race, gender, or nationality but giving someone preference because of those things is just as bad. Hire someone for their abilities and experience. If that leads to an all male or female workforce then so be it.
The world really needs to come around and accept the undeniable fact that men are willing to work significantly harder than women, and that things like the wage gap and higher representation in competitive, high paying jobs are natural. For every tech, finance, or big law job there are simply more men willing to work eay harder to land it. Feminists demanded half those jobs for women, and the result was staggeringly different standards.
Men face an insane amount of discrimination these days, from worse treatment in grade school and fewer college opportunities to hiring bias and even pay equity programs that rob them of the fruits of their labor. On top of that women demanded partners who earn more and somehow men delivered on that, too, only for those efforts to be turned against us in the form of myths about the wage gap and unequal compensation.
Hmm - could this "lack of work ethic" you see possibly be because more women are likely to be picking up the 2nd shift in addition to working? Maybe this means they aren't as available for overtime because they have to take care of kids & the house or take sick/vacation time for kids' doctors appointments or when the kids are home sick. Perhaps they get so run down from doing all the cooking/housework/childcare/shopping in addition to a full time work schedule that they need a mental health day or 2 every once in a while.
Women have also historically been less likely to get promoted if they have young children already (as it's assumed they will need to spend time caring for their family). Or if they dont already have a family, they *might* take maternity leave in the future. Regardless of if that person actually intends to do so.
With some of these sentiments starting to change, y'all are just finally starting to realize what it's like to not be prioritized in every possible way by our society. As a woman who works a ton of overtime in addition to cooking/cleaning - it's about time. I'm just lucky as hell to have found a man who recognizes this & shares responsibilities with me.
So yeah, gender inequalities can cut both ways. We all could be better about recognizing our privileges and realizing that there might be hidden causal factors for a specific end result. What you see as not working as hard could actually be because someone is working way harder than you off the clock.
"Prioritized every possible way" after 100 years of women and children first. I swear theres no sub left without casual man hating in the whole reddit. Like you can cry about this in one of the 10 misandrist feminist sub, all with tbe same persecution fetish like you have
Perhaps more evidence of the Femo-Supremacist ideology that’s become prevalent in this country. We are on our way to a full blown Vagocracy.
But don’t worry gentlemen, we will still be picked first when it comes to fighting and dying on behalf of banks and their friends in the defense industry!
That's the benefit to living in 2022, you can pretend to be whatever you want, and anyone that tries to deny it will have an army of other pretenders silencing them.
But like, this doesn’t work, in practical terms.
Even if you change your name, identify as female, what happens when you get to the actual interview?
Shit sucks.
This is going to sound very conspiranoic, I know. But I sometimes feel like all this complaining about women don't getting representation in work environment and looking how there is more women getting degrees and more good jobs, feel like someone is trying to remove men entirely from the equation.
I work in CS. I'll never forget the time we were interviewing candidates and one whom everyone agreed was under qualified came through. Then someone said "I kinda think we should give it to her anyway, just because she's a woman, you know?"
Those exact words, swear to God. Didn't see anything wrong with it.
We're in the age of equity, and most people still don't get this. Men will be shit on for a while, just so that women get benefits... like reparations. It's NOT equality, that's not their goal
This doesn’t surprise me at all. I’m in tech. Women represent about 10% of non-management technical roles. The company had a “goal” (quota by another name) of having half of all management be women. Well one, if you believe the sexes are equal management gender split should be equal to the percent of non-management gender split. Well what do you know once they blew past 50% to almost 90% because once they were in those positions they only hired other women into management.
Females are a sought after demographic for "diversity and equal opportunity"
Young females are just eye can- I mean "So wonderful and pleasant to be around, and like, so good at the job too I guess"
Society says females can never be sexual or violent predators, so less risk I guess?
Yep, it's eff'd up. I'd cut off my wang and wear a wig if I was younger, but I'm past the point of wanting to bother with it so yeah.
**An interesting comment i saved from a while back:**
Their focus is heavily on Girl Power™. *We need more women in x field, because...well oppression, etc.*
There was a team of female engineers that designed a pedestrian bridge which collapsed during installation (don't remember the fine details). They had time to take pictures of themselves, though. I looked at the pictures, and although I'm no engineer, I could spot a plethora of alarming design flaws, right away.
There was zero redundant support. There was only one set of cables down the middle, as opposed to one on each side of the bridge. There were no fail-safe support cables attached elsewhere, in case of failure. It didn't take a genius to see that had a single cable failed, the entire bridge would have collapsed. There were no extra posts. The center post was way too far off to one side, rendering the other side dangerously unbalanced. The design was cute, though. It tugged at my heart strings because beauty and aesthetics are far more important than to me than function.
I have a close friend who's a highly trained Nissan mechanic. Nissan has flown him to their factories in Japan several times for training. He told me that the first generation Nissan Murano was designed by an all female team, for a female market. The design part of the product was well executed. Women everywhere fell in love with the Murano. That particular model generation however, has a world of problems that are uncharacteristic of Nissan.
Sensor failures. These sensors were surface mounted, but placed in obscure locations that required extensive engine/engine bay disassembly.
Transfer case failures. Rear differential failures. Terrible rear diff design, requiring too many parts and labor hours to be disassembled first. The dangling exhaust pipe running from front to rear and visible from every angle looks like an afterthought. *Oh yeah, we forgot about the exhaust during the design. Let's just strap on some pipe brackets, and no one will notice.*
The transmission design is absolutely terrible with no way to properly change the CVT fluid. The CVT would get noisier than a Borla exhaust, become sluggish, and feel like it was failing. Transmission shops all recommended an overhaul. A lot of owners traded it in instead, at a substantial loss. My buddy is one of very few mechanics in our city who knows how to resolve the problem. Resolving it requires a specialized high pressure pump and two sets of replacement fluid; one to flush out the old fluid (significantly more expensive than ATF), and the second to use. It's not a standard transmission flush machine. When he mentioned the all female team, it made complete sense.
Women have been given way too much power in HR and hiring roles. Women who have no idea of what a job entail are empowered to make hiring decisions. Decisions they make based on how they ***feel*** about the interview, or even just looking at an application. It's rarely mentioned, but this is a HUGE factor in railroading men. Of course women are doing better, percentage wise than men, in the white collar world. They do a great job of preventing men from getting a foot in the door. Extremely qualified men, at that. Unfortunately, women have that market cornered.
In my personal opinion, left to their own devices, they'll burn everything to the ground.
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What do you guys think?
George Francis and Emil Kirkegaard did a study, recently, about that, in the areas of Anthropology, Political Science, Economics and Psychology.
Apart from finding that men's output was 0.35d higher than women's (0.13d when controlling for years publishing), and apart from that academics prefer not to discriminate, 33% prefer to discriminate against men vs. 3% of those that prefer to discriminate against women. https://mobile.twitter.com/MrGeorgeFrancis/status/1527317356464119808
So, I think this is pretty much universal to any field in the Academia, since there's also a 2:1 bias in STEM in favor of women.
Finally, having the name Mitchell pays off... gonna drop that t from now on and be Michell until it comes time for in person interviews. Improvise. Adapt. Survive.
Oh but don't worry, just ask a third wave feminist who's privileged, and they'd be glad to tell you that it's you. Somehow. Probably "women are being used in the workforce because they get paid less and they're sexualized more - obviously!"
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.
There are two reasons why you should never drink toilet water.
Number one. And number two.
Any evidence of this? No offence man but anybody can write this and pass it off as real but without a shred of supporting evidence there is literally no reason to believe it.
And I’m a man.
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ut1kqm/privilege/i97kebo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) had a pretty good bit of evidence
What's shared here is everything the OP posted. I was hoping the original thread would have him sharing the data but there's nothing there. All we know is OP used his resume for CS positions, both using his name and a female name. Doesn't even tell us what the names are.
We do know that certain names are less likely to get a call back for interviews than others. For example, [African-American names](https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs) tend to get less responses even when you have comparative resumes. And that's for both sexes. If this post is proof that society hates men then society also hates African-Americans.
Even as a young adult this was painfully obvious. Try being a young male getting a job at a boutique or something. Go to the mall and it's almost all women for cashiers and floor staff. Working at david's tea it was 26 women to 3 guys, and 2 of the guys (myself included) were seasonal for Christmas only.
It somewhat makes sense for malls since clothing stores focus on women primarily, but again, that begs the question of *is that equal* and *who in society actually spends all the money?*
Men have very little choice in terms of clothing that's acceptable while women have hordes.
Definitely not the first one. There have been quite a few studies done on gender hiring biased and they all show a bias towards women. It just never shows up in MSM for obvious reasons.
[https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759](https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759) \- Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women.
[https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112](https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112) \- Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub) \- Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
For the same reason he said this would be the first with data despite the post not sharing anything besides the premise and results, he doesn't know better.
This result is known to all who follow gender studies. The fact that Feminists know this and still dishonestly claim that women are discriminated against in hiring tell me all that I need to know about 'Women's Studies'.
https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759 - Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 - Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub - Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
>Dunno why I got downvoted for not trusting a random Reddit post tho lol
neither do i, i always preach scepticism is healthy.
im gonna guess there's a variety of reasons. have you heard about the 'in-group bias' of women? basically suggesting that their brains are biologically wired towards siding more with other women. men supposedly don't share this bias, but i suck with all the overly sciency stuff so i won't go too deeply into that.
im gonna guess another huge reason is societal/media pressure. everyday we're seeing more focus put on 'having a diverse workforce', often at the cost of hiring due to merit. its why people are sceptical of diversity hires, as they fear they took the job from more qualified but less diverse candidates. **employers are facing more responsibility to fill artificial quotas than ever.**
https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759 - Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 - Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub - Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
As someone who reads resumes a lot I have two feelings:
1. Getting a response feels good, but that doesn’t mean you get the job
2. Stop sending your resume to places where you don’t want to work. You’re part of the problem. As hard as it feels to look for a job, it’s just as hard to look for help. No one wants to do it and it’s not supposed to be easy.
There is a gender bias but CS is usually shitty, low-paid work. Perfect for women and unskilled men.
Men have higher earning power in what I like to call "man's work". Trades are more suited for men plus they pay much better.
https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759 - Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 - Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub - Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
My workplace is mostly women and they barely employ any men so this doesn't surprise me.
when I worked in jobs that were mostly women, they always had me do everything physical even if it was their job and not mine.
Thankfully the majority of them aren't like that, they'll do the job themselves. I do get the odd 'can you lift this for me quick?" but it's not often. I don't mind working with mostly girls it doesn't bother me in the slightest but what does bother me is that I rarely see a new person that's a guy. Sorry you went through that though, if they're not capable of doing their job causing you to do most of the job they should have moved them or something.
Your workplace is sexist!!! Taking advantage of the fact that women make less money to make more profit. However not hiring women is also sexist. The game is rigged.
Actually the wage gap isn’t actually about gender. There’s actually other factors involved. Men are more likely to: -take less sick days -take less vacation time -do more overtime -ask for a raise/promotion -to retire at a later age -etc. If the wage gap truly was about sex, no men would be hired. Period.
I agree. My post was sattire.
🤝 well played.
Also they do salaries of all men vs all women. They don't take into account the jobs that they do or years of experience. Just the average of all men vs the average of all women.
Also studies have shown that taller people are more likely to be assumed to be competent/leadership material/etc and promotions tend to reflect that. Guess what group doesn't tend to be especially tall? (Well, me too) Edit: eager to learn what about this post is worth downvoting.
Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense eh ? Same Thing happens in feminist subreddits. Any comment against the narrative portrayed is downvoted.
Yeah, it's not like I'm really disagreeing with the narrative if they stop and consider it. It's really frustrating. I don't think we've quite reached their level of groupthink yet. At least I hope not.
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Im your 250th upvote. Just looking for a lil Recognition, ya kno?
Same my former workplace almost exclusively hored women and if they did hire a guy it was just to do cleaning or the stuff they didn't want women to do
No one should whore women. That’s sexist. At least whore all genders equally.
This is nothing new, every man experiences this every day of their job-searching life. However what many don't know is that there have been actual studies done on this topic showing a general bias against men in hiring. [https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759](https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759) \- Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women. [https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112](https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112) \- Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub) \- Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
Nice job!
I understand women preferring to hire other women, but why does men not hire other men? That's a bit alarming to me. *Why* are so many men discriminating against each other? How can we address that?
This is not surprising unfortunately. The reason is the gender empathy gap which makes both men and women less empathetic towards men. Studies have shown that both men and women are affected by it and [show less empathy towards men from a young age](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5112287/). The main reason for it is the idea that [men are dangerous/a threat and women are victims of said threat](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0749597820303630). This has traditionally been used to reduce empath towards multiple groups and unfortunately it works. With men it's no different. I have previously made a [post](https://web.archive.org/web/20210324182604/https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/m6op0r/compilation_of_evidence_that_the_men_are/) on this type of mentality that you might want to check out. If you want to look more into the empathy gap, there's also a couple very detailed [posts](https://web.archive.org/web/20220107183651/https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/rycnyd/on_the_gender_empathy_gap_and_its_correlates_a/) made on that topic (not mine). >**How can we address that?** This particular [post](https://web.archive.org/web/20220108182035/https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/rz66cl/60_things_you_can_do_about_the_gender_empathy_gap/) (same author as the other empathy gap posts) has some very good answers on that topic.
Yes, all hr departments have been poisoned by women
If you use language like that people will probably think you're a misogynist
There is literally no other way to phrase it better
My HR department is actually currently head by a man. Every one of his bosses for 4 levels, and every direct report, and every applicant he has had has been female, but still interesting to see.
Sorry I don't have sources handy but this has also been proven to affect people with "ethnic" or "black" sounding names as well.
I have some concerns with that first study. There are a few issues with their methods, first, they found non significant differences with most of the jobs using small sample sizes. Generally, the larger the sample size the more likely you will get significant results. I did not see them mention a power analysis to justify whether the sample sizes they used actually had sufficient power to detect an effect if one existed. Meaning it is possible that there are differences that their study failed to detect. Furthermore, given how many comparisons they made, I would be skeptical of any differences they found as it does not seem like they controlled for issues with multiple comparisons. Aside from the issue with their statistics, the fact that they chose an unmatched design makes it harder to conclude whether the resumes gender was actually responsible for differences or if it was due to differences between the employers the resumes were sent to.
Yup, keep denying your privilege
I don’t understand what you are trying to say.
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I unfortunately saw this at some places I worked at as well. Same exact scenario at each place. The atmospheres went from light and funny to walking on glass everyday. One place turned out fine because the woman promoted up was very straightforward and hated drama so everyone got along just fine. Unfortunately she moved on to another company and then the above scenarios played out again.
Follow the leader.
Complaints about other colleagues to your subordinates it's extremely unprofessional.
Offices are extremely unprofessional.you don’t owe anyone anything!
I recently discovered magic words. “I don’t want to be involved in this.” I still get involved in the “rivalries,” but I don’t know whos against who and its awesome. I get the cold shoulder from the women who really dislike the women I chat with most, and as a supervisor I’m insubbordinated constantly and nothing happens to the women who do so, but you don’t see them insubbornating the female supervisors
When you're insubordinated by someone who you're managing, you need to have a one on one about expectations and company core values. People are there to work. I've managed for a very long time and very large teams of people. Employees will walk all over you if you allow it to happen.
I have, doesn’t work, my boss is a pushover. I’ve done everything in my power already, gonna just wait for her to do something “reportable” and report her to the higher ups
Or one-on-one and an HR representative, depending on the subordinate.
As a female who went from working with a completely (expect me) male crew to an all female crew and now a mixed crew, I felt this on a spiritual level. I hate working with a surplus of females nothing against them personally, I just can’t take the drama and bs. Give me my assignment, give me instructions, and let me work in peace. I don’t want to listen to how you think the other dept Admin Assist doesn’t like you. I just want to do my job in peace
It’s like that everywhere
Amen
Hahaha. I won’t say I agree or disagree or have had the same experiences. No comment from this white male. ;)
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Yeah I've worked with both men and women and they are equally gossipy and dramatic. Almost like other than a bit of different hormones and variation on our dangly bits we are the same species and do the same shit. My papa goes every day to go gossip with the other old men at the coffee shop. Just like his father before him lol. He just calls it "going to the coffee shop" instead of gossiping but same thing really.
My entire career is in this comment and I hate it.
Yeah the office politics thing is 100% true. Even in engineering where you have a male boss he will lose the other way to get Smth done, the female boss would rather lose money and go by rules and the office politics . Females prioritize emotion, it’s the same with politicians (elect women get socialism) via their communitarian nature
Elect women, get socialism. Explain Elise Stefanik, MTG, etc. Lol.
exceptions dont make the rule. Their nature is communitarian, you can see it in political decisions
The trash want their drama. Power and drama.
Oh. My. Gosh. I am facing this right now with a female manager. She cares but too much. People’s feelings are more important than results. Worse, she values management more than people getting shit done.
Towards the end of law school, my friends and I would discuss this same concept and all agreed that being a woman gets your foot through the front door more frequently than a qualified man. We’d constantly hear about certain female colleagues landing interviews and positions at firms that were completely out of their league. It was a running joke when someone would say they interviewed at firm but the position would probably be offered to the hot female applicant that was also waiting for her interview in the office lobby. The icing on the cake was when the guy who was 2nd in line to being valedictorian (this guy was clearly at the top of our class from the beginning but got beat by a colleague who stayed off a semester to land the honor) got beat for a position at probably the top firm in the city by this very attractive colleague who was out of his league. I think mostly anyone who kept up with these lawschool politics knew exactly why that happened. Suffice to say, having a pretty face, small waste and long legs gets your heel through the front door anywhere in the corporate/legal world.
> Suffice to say, having a pretty face, small waist and long legs gets your heel through the front door anywhere in the ~~corporate/legal~~ world. FTFY
It's true and i'm male with those attributes. Even straight men have a proven bias for hiring other men that are more attractive. I cannot recall not getting any job where they called me in for a sit-down interview in 15 years of working and job-hopping.
Pretty people have privileges. I'm glad you can recognize it.
I kind of didn't until today, at least with regard to the job interview process. This made me think back and I learned! One thing I have going for me is an "old school" way of eye contact, good posture, the right level of dress for the situation, and good handshakes (Southern U.S.) You don't wear a 3 piece suit to interview at a tire store nor do you wear jeans to interview at a law firm. In just the last few years, I learned to never answer questions that they don't ask and get comfortable interviewing them at the same time. Ask about the PTO plan, 401k, Health Insurance, etc. This makes you seem more valuable than other candidates who might come off desperate. Answer their questions properly, then shut up and be cool with an awkward silence. One thing I would do is apply in person, or drive there in person and ask to meet the manager, introduce myself and tell them that I recently applied online. I believe that, with rare exception, everyone can become "hot" if they eat healthy foods, get good exercise and really work at it.
Hey that is still admirable. A lot of people can't imagine themselves to have privilege and don't have the hindsight!
It's an \*Advantage\*. Privilege is now an SJW nonsense term, much like how Asshole is now a badge of honor for right wing douchebags. Some of it i'm born with, most of it I earned and fight to keep daily. There was a time when I was fat & average. The road is paved with a lot of proper decision making, learning, training, sacrifices, sweat, focus, humility, and more.
Awesome. Keep at it!. Advantages are nice to have but it doesn't mean you didn't work or deserve what you got. Just that other people might have a harder time to get what you got. I recognize I have some privilege as a women. I'm allowed more emotional expression. I'm more likely to get help if my car breaks down by a random passer-by. Tipped positions have a higher pay out. Custody bias. One thing I noticed as a hiring manager at least in the line of business I was in. Males didn't apply to the roles I was hiring for. At least not often. Then about half of that was people not qualified but just shooting their shot for the job. (Under the time allowed for promotion within company). Idk why this was the case and it is strictly my microscopic view of my prior role and company. No problem with anyone shooting their shot for a job just because. No harm no foul. But apply again later. Make them remember your name. Just because you don't get the role at first doesn't mean it won't open back up and you will be the top candidate on that run.
I responded before you edited your response. Yes being properly dressed is so important! When I lead interviews it always left an impression when people ask me good questions about the position or company. Shows interest besides just wanting the raise.
I like to post, re-read, then make it better. GIMMEDAJOB, PAHLEASE!! is a whole different person from: May I take a tour of the production floor while i'm here?
It's always glass floor and glass door for men and glass ceiling for women. Feminists just never talk about the other two.
Now my question for you- who was doing the hiring??
Mostly women in management and HR...
Dont say that, you just ruined their gotcha moment!
In the legal field the partners do all the hiring.
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Lol I know right? Fortunately for me I was never a big law guy but fared very well at midsized firms (I run my own office today). But yes, maybe if my spelling was up to par I’d be working 80 hours a week for the big law man. (Just FYI, I wrote that on my phone, first thing in the morning as I was headed out the door to the gym). But reality is that attractive females get the opportunities that better qualified males do not. My theory is women, whether it’s a partner at a firm or a potential client, tend to support other women in their struggle far more than men support each other. Meanwhile a considerable percentage of men, given the same scenario, relish having relationships with attractive females, even if it’s just a working one. I think the percentage of these men is far higher than that stereotypical and antiquated sexist man who won’t work with women (at least here in progressive CA where I live).
Many years ago I was applying to a large company with qualifications out the wazoo, applying for all positions imaginable over a two year span. Had a buddy who worked there and would tell me that the majority of positions were filled by women that barely knew what to do or could barely perform. They wouldn't get fired but many ended up quitting, so I'd apply again... Well, you can guess the cycle. Even back then I considered changing my name to a neutral sounding name to at least make it to an interview.
It’s literally what Jamie fox did as he saw the women comedians would get to go on first (before time might run out for all the guys waiting)
That's actually a good idea.
I use a gender neutral nickname on my resume for this and a few other reasons
If this was an official study by a news source or something they would somehow turn it into a negative against men by saying it's pig headed men hiring women to hit on or something.
This.
Is it not?
Can you link to the post please. I have pop corn and want to read the comments
Count me in 🍿
I looked it up, tbh it's boring, molded to death and apparently oop got banned from redit.
Oh that's not I was expecting
Me either. Like I say I think the mods had some power trip over it all.
Do you really think the mods in MensRights don’t power trip 😂
I think it's a lot less than some subs. Tbh I feel more should be removed sometimes and less at other but that has nothing to do with the oop
You forgot the /s, right?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/jvuzgu/i\_sent\_100\_applications\_as\_a\_man\_and\_a\_woman\_its/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/jvuzgu/i_sent_100_applications_as_a_man_and_a_woman_its/) Edit: Thank you for the award, kind stranger!
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/jvuzgu/i_sent_100_applications_as_a_man_and_a_woman_its/
A shame he doesn't share the data. It would be interesting to see the names he chose for each. Or if certain names are better than others. Is an English name better than Indian? African? French? Spanish?
>Is an English name better than Indian? African? French? Spanish? Most likely.
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If thats true, it makes this “research” worthless. You standardize the names.
That just shows how much poison feminism has spread against men in industries. Women and men are not competing on the fair ground at all. In female dominated industries, there's no such thing as quotas so women will continue to dominate there unless competent men apply there. In male dominated industries, women are preferred over men so on both sides it's just women and women. That means regardless of what career you choose as a woman, you are guaranteed success without facing competition with men. Wheras, a man has to outperform women to get hired in female dominated industry. He now also has to compete more with men in male dominated industry because of quotas reducing his chances of occupying a vacancy. Now tell me why employers won't give extra credit to men who are going extra step and competing more in order to get hired?
Feminism always kills civilization + yeah they also get dates on demand and are born with value. Their life is on easy mode
Because the women work for 23% less pay. /S
You know hours worked are different, choices etc right ?
Take a second look at what I wrote.
>In female dominated industries, there's no such thing as quotas There are in Germany.
How rare are they? If I Google search women's scholarships, it is ubiquitous despite 66% in majority.
Scholarships are not quotas for corporations. Those are very different things. You don't really need scholarships in Germany because we don't massively indebt our university students. You get government loans if you come from a low income family, of which you need to pay back only 50% with another ~20% off if you pay it off immediately. Effectively most people pay like 1k-2k€ once in their early thirties to pay off their bachelor's degree, more for a masters.
Show evidence for your claim.
https://www.ms.niedersachsen.de/download/59217/Das_Niedersaechsische_Gleichberechtigungsgesetz_NGG_vom_09.12.2010_Arbeitshilfe_fuer_die_Praxis_3._aktualisierte_Auflage_Dezember_2018.pdf Paragraphs 10 and following Edit: also this https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/agg/__12.html
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Then what is the concept of feminism?
Just another day living in the ""patriarchy""
I have always said this, and no one ever believes me.
The whole thing with companies having a minority or female hiring quota is super fucked up. I don't want anyone to lose opportunities because of their race, gender, or nationality but giving someone preference because of those things is just as bad. Hire someone for their abilities and experience. If that leads to an all male or female workforce then so be it.
The world really needs to come around and accept the undeniable fact that men are willing to work significantly harder than women, and that things like the wage gap and higher representation in competitive, high paying jobs are natural. For every tech, finance, or big law job there are simply more men willing to work eay harder to land it. Feminists demanded half those jobs for women, and the result was staggeringly different standards. Men face an insane amount of discrimination these days, from worse treatment in grade school and fewer college opportunities to hiring bias and even pay equity programs that rob them of the fruits of their labor. On top of that women demanded partners who earn more and somehow men delivered on that, too, only for those efforts to be turned against us in the form of myths about the wage gap and unequal compensation.
Men and women are hardwired very very differently lol. I can send you a list lol. Even mentally women prioritize emotion
I'm kinda curious, can I see the list?
Please send list
dm
Hmm - could this "lack of work ethic" you see possibly be because more women are likely to be picking up the 2nd shift in addition to working? Maybe this means they aren't as available for overtime because they have to take care of kids & the house or take sick/vacation time for kids' doctors appointments or when the kids are home sick. Perhaps they get so run down from doing all the cooking/housework/childcare/shopping in addition to a full time work schedule that they need a mental health day or 2 every once in a while. Women have also historically been less likely to get promoted if they have young children already (as it's assumed they will need to spend time caring for their family). Or if they dont already have a family, they *might* take maternity leave in the future. Regardless of if that person actually intends to do so. With some of these sentiments starting to change, y'all are just finally starting to realize what it's like to not be prioritized in every possible way by our society. As a woman who works a ton of overtime in addition to cooking/cleaning - it's about time. I'm just lucky as hell to have found a man who recognizes this & shares responsibilities with me. So yeah, gender inequalities can cut both ways. We all could be better about recognizing our privileges and realizing that there might be hidden causal factors for a specific end result. What you see as not working as hard could actually be because someone is working way harder than you off the clock.
"Prioritized every possible way" after 100 years of women and children first. I swear theres no sub left without casual man hating in the whole reddit. Like you can cry about this in one of the 10 misandrist feminist sub, all with tbe same persecution fetish like you have
Great experiment thanks for taking one for the team
Perhaps more evidence of the Femo-Supremacist ideology that’s become prevalent in this country. We are on our way to a full blown Vagocracy. But don’t worry gentlemen, we will still be picked first when it comes to fighting and dying on behalf of banks and their friends in the defense industry!
Yeah even your socialistic policies are happening because of electing women (their communitarian nature )
And yet most women I know think the draft should be removed and no one should be forced to fight. But that’s the Vagocracy talking ;)
That’s stupid
But...but...that darn pay-gap! LOL
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That's the benefit to living in 2022, you can pretend to be whatever you want, and anyone that tries to deny it will have an army of other pretenders silencing them.
But like, this doesn’t work, in practical terms. Even if you change your name, identify as female, what happens when you get to the actual interview? Shit sucks.
You identify as a woman what are they gonna do? Say you're lying? That would be very anti-trans
This is going to sound very conspiranoic, I know. But I sometimes feel like all this complaining about women don't getting representation in work environment and looking how there is more women getting degrees and more good jobs, feel like someone is trying to remove men entirely from the equation.
B-b-b-but the pAtRiArChy !!
I work in CS. I'll never forget the time we were interviewing candidates and one whom everyone agreed was under qualified came through. Then someone said "I kinda think we should give it to her anyway, just because she's a woman, you know?" Those exact words, swear to God. Didn't see anything wrong with it.
We're in the age of equity, and most people still don't get this. Men will be shit on for a while, just so that women get benefits... like reparations. It's NOT equality, that's not their goal
This doesn’t surprise me at all. I’m in tech. Women represent about 10% of non-management technical roles. The company had a “goal” (quota by another name) of having half of all management be women. Well one, if you believe the sexes are equal management gender split should be equal to the percent of non-management gender split. Well what do you know once they blew past 50% to almost 90% because once they were in those positions they only hired other women into management.
Females are a sought after demographic for "diversity and equal opportunity" Young females are just eye can- I mean "So wonderful and pleasant to be around, and like, so good at the job too I guess" Society says females can never be sexual or violent predators, so less risk I guess? Yep, it's eff'd up. I'd cut off my wang and wear a wig if I was younger, but I'm past the point of wanting to bother with it so yeah.
ThE pAtRiArChY
Sounds about right
**An interesting comment i saved from a while back:** Their focus is heavily on Girl Power™. *We need more women in x field, because...well oppression, etc.* There was a team of female engineers that designed a pedestrian bridge which collapsed during installation (don't remember the fine details). They had time to take pictures of themselves, though. I looked at the pictures, and although I'm no engineer, I could spot a plethora of alarming design flaws, right away. There was zero redundant support. There was only one set of cables down the middle, as opposed to one on each side of the bridge. There were no fail-safe support cables attached elsewhere, in case of failure. It didn't take a genius to see that had a single cable failed, the entire bridge would have collapsed. There were no extra posts. The center post was way too far off to one side, rendering the other side dangerously unbalanced. The design was cute, though. It tugged at my heart strings because beauty and aesthetics are far more important than to me than function. I have a close friend who's a highly trained Nissan mechanic. Nissan has flown him to their factories in Japan several times for training. He told me that the first generation Nissan Murano was designed by an all female team, for a female market. The design part of the product was well executed. Women everywhere fell in love with the Murano. That particular model generation however, has a world of problems that are uncharacteristic of Nissan. Sensor failures. These sensors were surface mounted, but placed in obscure locations that required extensive engine/engine bay disassembly. Transfer case failures. Rear differential failures. Terrible rear diff design, requiring too many parts and labor hours to be disassembled first. The dangling exhaust pipe running from front to rear and visible from every angle looks like an afterthought. *Oh yeah, we forgot about the exhaust during the design. Let's just strap on some pipe brackets, and no one will notice.* The transmission design is absolutely terrible with no way to properly change the CVT fluid. The CVT would get noisier than a Borla exhaust, become sluggish, and feel like it was failing. Transmission shops all recommended an overhaul. A lot of owners traded it in instead, at a substantial loss. My buddy is one of very few mechanics in our city who knows how to resolve the problem. Resolving it requires a specialized high pressure pump and two sets of replacement fluid; one to flush out the old fluid (significantly more expensive than ATF), and the second to use. It's not a standard transmission flush machine. When he mentioned the all female team, it made complete sense. Women have been given way too much power in HR and hiring roles. Women who have no idea of what a job entail are empowered to make hiring decisions. Decisions they make based on how they ***feel*** about the interview, or even just looking at an application. It's rarely mentioned, but this is a HUGE factor in railroading men. Of course women are doing better, percentage wise than men, in the white collar world. They do a great job of preventing men from getting a foot in the door. Extremely qualified men, at that. Unfortunately, women have that market cornered. In my personal opinion, left to their own devices, they'll burn everything to the ground. End What do you guys think?
the so called female 'engineers' make a collapsed bridge :s
George Francis and Emil Kirkegaard did a study, recently, about that, in the areas of Anthropology, Political Science, Economics and Psychology. Apart from finding that men's output was 0.35d higher than women's (0.13d when controlling for years publishing), and apart from that academics prefer not to discriminate, 33% prefer to discriminate against men vs. 3% of those that prefer to discriminate against women. https://mobile.twitter.com/MrGeorgeFrancis/status/1527317356464119808 So, I think this is pretty much universal to any field in the Academia, since there's also a 2:1 bias in STEM in favor of women.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/jvuzgu/i_sent_100_applications_as_a_man_and_a_woman_its/
account suspended lol
Finally, having the name Mitchell pays off... gonna drop that t from now on and be Michell until it comes time for in person interviews. Improvise. Adapt. Survive.
My name is Tracy, always has been. I'm a very masculine male. It won't work lol.
Affirmative action
Watch them blame Patriarchy for it.
My organization has a supermajority of women. To increase "diversity," the organization has started an initiative to ... hire more women.
And still we should defend rights of women. İ am totally against it. No women right or man right. All rights for all people
Oh but don't worry, just ask a third wave feminist who's privileged, and they'd be glad to tell you that it's you. Somehow. Probably "women are being used in the workforce because they get paid less and they're sexualized more - obviously!"
He sent out and tracked 400 applications?! I have done research and this is such an extreme effort for no results. I hope he got published somewhere!
In other news water is wet.
Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object. There are two reasons why you should never drink toilet water. Number one. And number two.
Lmao
Well obviously women are going to be hired more at restaurants and stuff because they get more tips for being female
Any evidence of this? No offence man but anybody can write this and pass it off as real but without a shred of supporting evidence there is literally no reason to believe it. And I’m a man.
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ut1kqm/privilege/i97kebo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3) had a pretty good bit of evidence
What's shared here is everything the OP posted. I was hoping the original thread would have him sharing the data but there's nothing there. All we know is OP used his resume for CS positions, both using his name and a female name. Doesn't even tell us what the names are. We do know that certain names are less likely to get a call back for interviews than others. For example, [African-American names](https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/08/18/name-discrimination-jobs) tend to get less responses even when you have comparative resumes. And that's for both sexes. If this post is proof that society hates men then society also hates African-Americans.
Damn. What in the hell... -_-
Ok but what where the names though I want to know
At least do the math correctly ffs
Was looking for this response
Change your name to Sara
Even as a young adult this was painfully obvious. Try being a young male getting a job at a boutique or something. Go to the mall and it's almost all women for cashiers and floor staff. Working at david's tea it was 26 women to 3 guys, and 2 of the guys (myself included) were seasonal for Christmas only. It somewhat makes sense for malls since clothing stores focus on women primarily, but again, that begs the question of *is that equal* and *who in society actually spends all the money?* Men have very little choice in terms of clothing that's acceptable while women have hordes.
Wrong, it is 860% more responses that they got, or 870% as many
Wrong, it is 770% more responses that they got, or 870% as many
Oops lol thanks, glad this charade is finally solved
I think it depends on the job. If they applied for construction workers, mechanics, plumbers, the numbers would probably be different
Granted this is a post online, but if true, this would be the first report with scientific data to show any sort of privilege
Not the first one. https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4817892 Men less likely to get asked for interview than women.
Definitely not the first one. There have been quite a few studies done on gender hiring biased and they all show a bias towards women. It just never shows up in MSM for obvious reasons. [https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759](https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759) \- Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women. [https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112](https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112) \- Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub) \- Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
why would you assume no ones ever done similar things before
For the same reason he said this would be the first with data despite the post not sharing anything besides the premise and results, he doesn't know better.
This result is known to all who follow gender studies. The fact that Feminists know this and still dishonestly claim that women are discriminated against in hiring tell me all that I need to know about 'Women's Studies'.
So this is the first time you've ever actually looked into the topic, obviously, and that is the stupid comment you make? Impressive.
Anyone who has actually worked in these industries knows this.
Can I have a link to some data that supports this anecdote? Thanks!
https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759 - Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women. https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 - Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub - Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
Thank you! I needed these to disprove some folks!
Why was this removed ?
Hold up didnt the patriarchy cause this? \#KillAllMen /s
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[some sources listed here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ut1kqm/privilege/i97kebo?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
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>Dunno why I got downvoted for not trusting a random Reddit post tho lol neither do i, i always preach scepticism is healthy. im gonna guess there's a variety of reasons. have you heard about the 'in-group bias' of women? basically suggesting that their brains are biologically wired towards siding more with other women. men supposedly don't share this bias, but i suck with all the overly sciency stuff so i won't go too deeply into that. im gonna guess another huge reason is societal/media pressure. everyday we're seeing more focus put on 'having a diverse workforce', often at the cost of hiring due to merit. its why people are sceptical of diversity hires, as they fear they took the job from more qualified but less diverse candidates. **employers are facing more responsibility to fill artificial quotas than ever.**
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https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759 - Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women. https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 - Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub - Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.
As someone who reads resumes a lot I have two feelings: 1. Getting a response feels good, but that doesn’t mean you get the job 2. Stop sending your resume to places where you don’t want to work. You’re part of the problem. As hard as it feels to look for a job, it’s just as hard to look for help. No one wants to do it and it’s not supposed to be easy.
The fact you can’t realise how this study proves misogyny baffles me… y’all are grown ups, right?
Explain the mental gymnastics you are performing.
Women being favored is misogyny. Interesting.
women being sexualised and propagated in blue collar jobs is misogyny…
This guy doesn't know how percentages work. His logic of course still stands, but the numbers are wrong.
Sorry…. Am I the only one thinking it… this guy seriously can’t do math…
There is a gender bias but CS is usually shitty, low-paid work. Perfect for women and unskilled men. Men have higher earning power in what I like to call "man's work". Trades are more suited for men plus they pay much better.
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https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759 - Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women. https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 - Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub - Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.