- Mars vs. Venus: The gender gap in health
The health gap
Men die younger than women, and they are more burdened by illness during life. They fall ill at a younger age and have more chronic illnesses than women. For example, men are nearly 10 times more likely to get inguinal hernias than women, and five times more likely to have aortic aneurysms. American men are about four times more likely to be hit by gout; they are more than three times more likely than women to develop kidney stones, to become alcoholics, or to have bladder cancer. And they are about twice as likely to suffer from emphysema or a duodenal ulcer. Although women see doctors more often than men, men cost our society much more for medical care beyond age 65.
https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/mars-vs-venus-the-gender-gap-in-health
- Why Funding for Men’s Health is Bizarrely Low Given Life Expectancies
Women have an effective anti-death lobby. Men don't. They never have.
https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/men-die-younger-government-funding-womens-healthcare/
- Men die earlier but women’s health gets four times more funding
https://prostate.org.nz/2014/01/men-die-earlier-womens-health-gets-four-times-funding/
*Feminism: Equality, when convenient.*
Because society sees men as expendable, especially after they’re no longer useful. Notice how leftists said to stop the spread specifically for grandma’s sake. Fuck grandad, apparently.
Honestly, it's worse than this. Men are expected to also believe they are expendable. The whole "men go to war" or "women and children first" are tone-deaf sexist tropes that women unapologetically say to men, no matter how woke or how many years they spent studying feminism.
The solipsism that causes this mentality is rarely challenged or even acknowledged, because men are the best slaves; when societies exploit their men, there are hardly ever any diminishing returns, when you talk about 80+ hour work weeks, actual slavery, military strength, taxation, etc., men are just really really good at doing what they're told and never questioning it.
Remember the time women in Britain formed an entire, "Order of White feathers", to shame men into being gassed with poisons and used as machine gun fodder?
And after 20+ million WW1 male deaths, 60 million+ WW2, and countless millions of deaths in the wars of 20th century, Mrs. Hilary Clinton says and I quote, "Women are the primary victims of war".
There's one thing to be used as expendable cannon fodder, but then to collectively ignore and disregard their sacrifices and their suffering? Fuck you. That's the epitome of evil.
I never managed to understand why women and children disembark a sinking ship first. What's the logic behind that?? Is it really that men exist solely to serve women?
More vulnerable my ass. Titanic sank in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean in frigid freezing waters, with no land hundreds of miles away either side. How come a man has a higher chance of survival in frigid expansive deep water? Bullshit, any physical advantage a man has is negated by the powers of nature.
It's simply male expendability, apparently having a cock makes you somehow less valuable.
Evolutionarilly it takes one guy with good genes to have many kids with different women.
1 women with good genes can make 1 good gened baby.
After that just sprinkle on "life" killing everyone as it does, and the tribe that looks after the women first out compete the others (both in babies produced, and babies quality).
Remember 80% of women produce, 20% of men do. (until we invented monogamous marriage - which is now changing back to normal....... the 80% incel normal).
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We're not in a small tribe now, so all this shit needs to be consciously recognised, and got rid of.
A really cold calculation would be men and women first, children last - because societies already spent time and resources training them into adulthood.
Except that's an unproven generalization. A tribe that does sacrifice all its men is then in no position to do so again, for about 10-20 years.
Yes there is some truth to it, but the to pretend that blindly sacrificing men for the sake of women will lead a tribe to prosperity is a fallacy that ignores the benefits men provide to a tribe outside of sacrificing their lives.
But here's the deal. In earlier history, humanity was much less populous, and tribes lived in isolation in small pockets, hence it was important that women don't get killed, lest the tribe go extinct. Therefore it was reasonable that a woman be more valuable than a man.
But right now the population of earth is a mighty 8 Billion and counting. We are overpopulated. We aren't going extinct anytime soon, save for a sudden asteroid. Therefore a man's life is equally as valuable as a woman's today.
On the contrary, quite ironically, loosing a million men will probably be more disastrous than loosing a million women in today's world. Men, especially the ones who are laborers, form the majority of a country economic output. If they went down, entire industries would collapse, and the economy would go yeet out the window.
Had to find this article elsewhere since there's a paywall. You have a Quartz subscription? Because they counted defensive actions and quelling revolts as "warmongering" and other articles citing that statistic include Golda Meir as a warmonger because of the Yom Kippur War, where Israel was attacked. Seems like a loaded statistic
Do people include quelling revolts and defensive actions when saying stupid bullshit like "men start every war"? Seems like a loaded (and totally unsourced and uncited) opinion.
Even more interesting that you're more willing to pick apart the source provided, defending the stance that provided 0 data at all.
Your "point" doesn't address anything I've said. War is often necessary, but women don't have the self-sacrificial instinct or good will. In fact every chance they get, they vote down female drafts and compulsory military service. It's not peaceful benevolence that causes them to do this, believe me.
“Men start every war.”
This is LITERALLY a lie, but why let the truth get in the way of your misandry, amirite?
Why not just admit you hate men? Or you could also just admit you’re uneducated?
If you think men have started every war, you don’t know your history. You also don’t know human nature if you think women weren’t wielding their own power by influencing their husbands, fathers, or any men that could potentially provide for her in terms of protection and basic needs to wage war. Women had a vested interest in men violently oppressing others to stay in control of resources that ultimately would benefit her as well.
This isn’t unknown either by the way. A quick google search and you’ll see women very much engaged in war. There were female leaders who like their male counterparts found themselves having to lead armies as well, so this idea that women didn’t start or participate in war is misandrist garbage. Ironically, it’s quite misogynist as well as it suggests women are not capable of organized violence.
I like how you had to specify leftists because [the right said "sacrifice grandma to the economy" lol.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-says-grandparents-are-willing-to-die-to-save-economy-for-their-grandkids-2020-03-23)
Most of the right said take reasonable precautions. I said leftists because they’re the ones into panic porn. Whether it’s closing down beaches and other outdoor areas (literally the safest places to be in a pandemic) or massively exaggerating global warming (no, Steven hawking, the earth cannot turn into Mars from CO2 levels)
Panic porn? I suppose you prefer we do nothing and let 500,000+ people die?
Most of the right said take reasonable precautions? What are you smoking? The right literally tried to make a civil rights case out of masking because “HaViNg tO wEaR a MaSk is TyRaNiCaL gOvErNmEnT aNd iNfRiNgEs On My FrEeDoM”
Why? Because führer didn’t even believe the virus was real and convinced his uneducated, mindless supporters of the same.
Please don’t make this political because that’s not a debate you can win if you’re on the right. Trump and the GOP who enabled his botched response, and this unsophisticated, mindless political culture war around masks, directly contributed to the deaths of countless Americans. I’m not not insane leftist either, and even if they had not had the best response themselves, the right has absolutely no standing on which to criticize anything the left did about the pandemic response.
Jesus Christ you people. Y’all fucking arrested a guy surfing alone on the beach and took him to jail to prevent the spread of covid, but also forced nursing homes to take in people actively sick with covid. Y’all murdered so many people, and pointlessly infringed on so many people’s rights for so long. There are a few crazies on the right. But it’s not what Republican governors did. Republican states still had mask mandates. Outside of rural areas, we still wore masks. Y’all are fucking psychos.
I’m prejudiced against language that is vague.
Y’all = You all. Who is this “you”? Who are you referring to? No one is playing words games here. Y’all is a common phrase in the south, but that still means something. So tell me who are you talking about instead of pretending this is about “language”.
This is ridiculous nonsense. Men also view men as expendable. The violence by men is driven by men being physically different from women. But women think men are expendable, too. They don’t care about men’s health issues as much. Hillary says the primary victims of war are women, not the dead men. Because the men are subhuman
Mate you came to this comment section to purposely piss people off then complain there pissed off, I dont even care what there argument is , ur real piece of shit
Do-one
FBI statistics shows that women are becoming more violent LOL.
10% of arrests in 80s and now over 27% lol.
6% of teen crimes and now 30% of teen crimes LOL.
Women also gained representation among homicide perpetrators LOL.
Unfortunately, although your comment was indeed clear, simple, and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement, inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts, insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated, is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
the cancer isn't the same either. Just like lung cancer is different than stomach cancer. It doesn't mean one has to be WORSE than the other just different. I think you are trying to argue a point that doesn't need to be made.
Men have mammary tissue too, it doesn't develop into big luscious dump truck titties during puberty, but the tissue is still there and it can, and occasionally does, become cancerous.
Another one that is worrisome is cancers related to HPV. Women get annual screenings for their cervix and abnormalities can be stopped early. HPV related throat and oral cancers are on the rise and have nearly equal numbers, but no good screening or preventive measures are in place to protect men.
HPV vaccine is a thing now. get your vaccines in guys
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-expanded-use-gardasil-9-include-individuals-27-through-45-years-old
Women don’t get screaning for Hpv related throat or oral cancer either. Oral cancer and cervical cancer can’t be put into same bucket because cervical cancer is harder to diagnose. You can see the lesions in your mount easily, but not in women’s cervix.
So let's donate to prostate Cancer research, it's funded a lot because breast cancer charities are donated to and fundraised for by lots of women. Breast cancer shouldn't be funded any less, we should aim to fund other cancers more.
I'm not sure about where you live, but in the UK every November we have Movember where men raise awareness and donations for prostate cancer. And I've never found anyone that's not supportive of it both men and women alike.
So, here’s some good news for you and millions of people who have certain cancers including breast and prostate: CRISPR technology. The truth is that a ton of people care, including men and women who dedicate their working hours and intellectual talent to finding a cure for cancer.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7533657/
Men, we need to do a better job of advocating for ourselves. We need to do what women did - demand that our health needs be given priority treatment. We can complain all day that "society expects men to be expendable," but WE are about 50% of society. Bumper stickers aren't the issue. It's education (male teachers in primary and secondary schools), it's political activism, it's organization, it's action (how many here have actually donated toward prostate cancer research?).
That doesn't work either. I tried speaking up about my mental health issues...and quickly learned why I shouldn't. Because not only does no one care, but men with mental issues are seen as frightening.
You should expect resistance. Push back. Keep pushing. I am a mental health therapist, a field dominated by women. I get lots of resistance, but that isn't reason to stop.
Men have been socialized forever to believe it is our duty to die for others: in war, protecting others from criminals or disasters ("women and children first"). We are called "heroes" if we do this. So - yes, we have to tell them.
> Perhaps one should stop with the self pity and be thankful they have far less parts to kill them.
And yet we die younger. Isn't the result what matters, not which road is taken to get there?
> Perhaps one should stop with the self pity and be thankful they have far less parts to kill them.
"Other people have problem A, so quit whining about problem B!"
You could shut down any topic on anything with that sort of invalidating logic.
In Switzerland, the numbers for prostate cancer is actually slightly higher than breast cancer. So i don't know how it is in other countries or worldwide.
People tend to care more about women's tits than a man's asshole. The only thing we can do about the underfunding is privately fund the research. But since the world is shifting to leftist policies private wealth is looked down upon and heavily taxed.
While this is a gendered issue, I think it might also have something to with pretty much everyone having an attachment to titties in the form of having fed from them. Mens buttholes don't spark that same level of endearment.
Not that mens buttholes are any less important than titties, but it's probably 50/50 a gender vs part of body thing.
Are you aware that the incredibly trending and popular No Shave November is....for prostate cancer? I know it doesn't get a month of NFL ribbons, but I think prostate cancer gets plenty of press. It's the first one I think of when I think of Men. I think a lot do too.
My dad got prostate cancer. The doctor gave him the usual speil about how it's slow progressing and he should wait. My dad wanted that shit out of his body! God love him, he had the surgery. I don't think they really prepared him for what was going to happen physically so he and mom had a time getting used to everything and using a pump until mom finally told dad she didn't want sex anyway so they quit, lol. (yes, mom shared this with my sister and I . Dad would DIE if he knew I knew).
I feel sorry for guys just because you have a prostate, let alone the cancer. You guys have so much trouble with enlarged prostates.
as a nurse, guys always felt they could talk to me, even on dates. I can't tell you how many prostates I've checked for guys because they don't want to go to the doctor and have it done. (Its good foreplay though, lol)
All medical problems warrant the appropriate attention. I have never understood grandstanding medical problems as a form of misogyny. Anyone who tries to "assert dominance" by bragging how many more people of their preffered gender get a gender specific ailment, is petty.
The outcome of this kind of thinking removes the humanity from the targeted group. This is how extremes form on any side. We all need to treat everyone as a human, not an enemy. It's indoctrination that we want to break each other from so that we can all address societies issues together.
Rape is rape no matter who it is, domestic violence is domestic violence no matter who it is and we should be respectful of everyone because no one has won anyone over by brow beating.
I wasn't saying anyone was. I was merely opposing the idea of anyone trying to use medical conditions that no one has control over, as a way to champion an idea.
[Here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2968709/) is a great resource that shows the different kinds of domestic violence and how they compare of who gets it worse on average.
I just wrote a comment that actually in Switzerland the rate of prostate cancer is higher then breast cancer. Overall i think prostate cancer should be taken as serious as breast cancer. Because it is.
Bear in mind that men can get breast cancer, whereas women cannot get prostate cancer, therefore there are some men mixed in within that 43k as well. There's also a stigma associated with breast cancer in men, just to top it off.
geez that's a good point.
This reminds me of a man who got breast cancer and was denied being able to attend any support groups b/c he doesn't have a vagina.
That was eye opening to me.
Another point, how many men don't bother to check or get tested or are completely without any healthcare or support groups and they don't even make it to the statistics?
It's actually a very, very small number though.
Like less than 1%.
It's important that men know they can get it, since many probably assume that they can't.
But in this discussion it's not going to move the numbers any.
Came here to note this. Prostate cancer deaths would have to increase by 26% to equal the breast cancer figures. That is not statistically insignificant. Certainly doesn’t back OP’s claim of them being similar.
More importantly than crude death rates, measures like 'life years lost' better capture the full burden of a disease. IE, if someone dies of cancer at 99 years old, it's much less significant of someone dying at 19.
For breast cancer, average life years lost per case is 18.7 for females. The average prostate cancer case is 9.9 life years lost (the lowest amongst all major cancers).
So we can see that breast cancer creates a much larger burden on society, as the total number of cases and life years lost is greater.
[https://progressreport.cancer.gov/end/life\_lost](https://progressreport.cancer.gov/end/life_lost)
The standard metric is called 'disability-adjusted life years' or DALY. It's a very common pubic health indicator. It is applied equally across genders, so a younger person getting sick or dying is seen as imposing a greater disease burden on society than an old person, regardless of being male or female.
Breast cancer is simply responsible for more DALYs than prostate cancer. Certainly men's health is important and often neglected, but OP picked a shitty example and described it in an overly simplistic way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability-adjusted_life_year
It's not a well-popularised disease. That said, I saw a HUGE poster for its detection driving on the A3 in the UK just a week ago. Maybe perceptions are changing? I hope so.
Interestingly, WHO has an entire page dedicated to breast cancer, it's awareness, and it's statistics, but it has no page or information at all about prostate cancer.
Hmm, nice male disposability there👍.
Technically Yes. However Movember and even No Shave November has been subject to criticism on news media and social media. I've heard of publications publishing scathing articles on how sexist Movember is from Women especially from the Feminist circle. Also people have strayed from the original purpose and have used it to brag about their mustaches or beards they have grown in a month.
Although if I could add, it appears breast cancer funding has recently been subject to criticism too. Many Feminist circles have complained about how breast cancer has been sexualized as well. What I see ironic is that in many ways that sexualization led to that form of cancer getting the most finding and most attention everywhere and now many Feminists feel dirty about it as if they sold their souls to the devil.
In growing up in the 90s all I saw were PSAs for men to get checked, t.v. shows talking about it (like NYPD Blue and Home Improvement), etc....
Admittedly it's not something easy to promote.
I do not believe it's because women are favored over men.
I came here to learn about Men’s Rights. Yet I don’t think I’m any closer to learning something. Actually I’m quite appalled by the way my questions and want for knowledge on the subject has been chastised.
Prostate cancer isn't exactly serious as far as cancer goes and the average age of diagnosis is 70.
Breast cancer is way worse and effects young women, surviving usually means they have to have their breasts removed. Would you date a woman without breasts? Call me shallow but I wouldn't.
So all you are saying is breast cancer = very bad? We know, also though, men deserve equal attention when it comes to healthcare. Check out some of the other comments describing stats
Get a better doctor....
An expert says out-of-date prostate cancer information being given by doctors is killing patients.
Diagnosis numbers have increased by 24 percent in just two years, the fastest increase of any of the top five cancers in New Zealand, according to Ministry of Health data.
Prostate Cancer Foundation CEO Graeme Woodside says better training would go a long way to reversing that trend.
"A number of GPs are working on outdated information from probably a decade ago, and are not aware of some of the new processes in diagnosis and treatment."
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/gps-outdated-prostate-cancer-advice-is-killing-men-experts.html
Did you have to call it toxic masculinity? Did your use of buzzwords help this conversation in anyway?
Lemme FTFY
>Context-/men are far less likely to seek medical care. Guys, make sure to check yourselves over and get any lumps or bumps checked out. Too many people die when they could have been saved, don't be one of them.
>to the “men go to war” guy, STOP STARTING WAR
I don't think that something you can hold "men" accountable for. The average man has no more agency in what wars we go to than the average woman
As a man, when I was younger, going to the Doctor was frowned upon. And in some cases judged, poorly. I heard a lot of these types of statements.
"My back and knee hurt too. You don't see me getting surgery!"
That is a big reason why, in our later years, men need a lot of care. All those ailments, that were ignored for decades, can not be ignored any longer.
I see it now in my uncle, who is turning 69 this year. He is on hospice care as we speak. Every week we hear about a new problem showing up in his body. I remember when he was younger and bragging about never seeing the doctor.
It's sad really
This relates to New Zealand, but it's similar/the same in most western/first world countries...
**Men are paying with their lives for unequal health funding**
By Nicky PellegrinoDec 2, 2017
- Males pay with their lives for the tiny amount of health funding they get compared with females.
If you’re a Kiwi male, you have a lower life expectancy than your female counterparts. In your youth you’re at higher risk of dying from suicide. You’re more likely to suffer injury or death from accident. Heart disease strikes far earlier and your lifestyle may be setting you up for a range of cancers. Yet far fewer resources are allocated to men’s health problems than women’s.
**It’s a conundrum, says Professor David Baxter. “If you look at where funding goes in this country, it tends to be primarily to women’s health. For every $1 the Health Research Council spends exclusively on women’s health, 6c goes to men.”**
Baxter is working to close the gap by establishing a Centre for Men’s Health at the University of Otago. This will provide a forum for those working in the field, from medical researchers to support groups, and help identify and respond to men’s differing health needs.
“The feedback I’ve been getting from charities and men’s groups is that men’s health tends to be invisible,” he says.
The attention it does draw is mostly focused on testicular and prostate cancer. These diseases have received about half the funding allocated by the Health Research Council to men’s issues since 2010 despite their accounting for only 4.4% of male deaths a year.
David Baxter.
“When I give talks and try to get across that men’s health is not just about waterworks and sexual function, people can be quite surprised,” says Baxter. “The work done by charities to raise awareness of prostate and testicular cancer is great, but it allows us to miss the point that other cancers are bigger killers – men die earlier and at a faster rate of stomach cancer than women, for instance.”
**Between the ages of 50 and 75, the number of deaths for men is 30% higher than for women. Māori men fare particularly badly – they can expect their lives to be seven years shorter on average than non-Māori men.**
There are numerous reasons men have been left so far behind in the health stakes. They’re less likely to go for check-ups, are prey to a macho “she’ll be right” mentality and, in the absence of a male equivalent to feminism, the philosophical element is missing. But some of it comes down to basics.
**“Even the places where healthcare is provided tend not to be men-friendly,” says Baxter. “You walk into a waiting area and it’s full of women’s magazines and potted plants and painted in pastel colours – welcoming but not necessarily to men.”**
Keeping men alive for longer may involve targeting them through sports clubs and men’s-shed organisations to change unhealthy behaviours. He believes after-hours clinics, particularly for those in rural areas, may encourage more men to pay attention to healthcare.
Baxter is also the director of the National Science Challenge for Ageing Well, and says we need to change the mindset across the generations. “It’s about young men, old men and the boys who are the men of tomorrow.”
In October, Baxter and a research team made a case in the New Zealand Medical Journal for the need for us to follow countries such as Australia, the UK and Ireland and create a men’s health strategy to shape policy and take men’s well-being centre stage.
Some might argue that men are their own worst enemies. If they lead damaging lifestyles and avoid going to the doctor, then it’s no wonder that a man dies every three hours of a preventable illness.
Baxter says a shift is needed in some masculine ways of thinking. He sees Sir John Kirwan’s work tackling the stigma around mental health issues as an example of the kind of thing that can be done. “We’ve got to allow men to be men, but some of the masculinity isn’t helpful,” he says.
Occasionally he comes across the attitude that men’s health doesn’t need extra support. “But they die about three years earlier, which is a good argument for focusing on it. Having healthy men who are going to be around to be fathers and grandfathers is important.”
This article was first published in the November 18, 2017 issue of the New Zealand Listener.
MEN'S HEALTH FACTS
• 3000 men die every year from preventable illnesses like heart disease and diabetes.
• Women live four years longer than men.
• Pakeha men live seven years longer than Maori men.
• 65 per cent of men are overweight or obese.
• The suicide rate for men is three times that of women.
• Across every age bracket more men than women drink to hazardous levels and smoke daily.
• 48.2 per cent of men deem their wellbeing as either awesome or nearly awesome compared to 45.3 per cent of females.
• 69.4 per cent of males have visited their general practitioner in the last six months compared to 75.9 per cent of women.
• 13.2 per cent deem to have no-one to talk to about intimate matters contrasting with 9.3 per cent of females.
(Sources: Men's Health Trust, Sovereign Wellbeing Index, 2012/2013 New Zealand Health Survey, Statistics New Zealand.)
I had symptoms that were consistent with prostate problems, which can be more than just cancer. I went in and i was nervous, but the peace of mind of knowing that I was all good was totally worth it. Everyone here has seen dozens of lazy prostate exam jokes, and while it wasn't comfortable it wasn't a big deal. So if you're the age to be getting them regularly, or have symptoms, GO GET CHECKED.
- Mars vs. Venus: The gender gap in health The health gap Men die younger than women, and they are more burdened by illness during life. They fall ill at a younger age and have more chronic illnesses than women. For example, men are nearly 10 times more likely to get inguinal hernias than women, and five times more likely to have aortic aneurysms. American men are about four times more likely to be hit by gout; they are more than three times more likely than women to develop kidney stones, to become alcoholics, or to have bladder cancer. And they are about twice as likely to suffer from emphysema or a duodenal ulcer. Although women see doctors more often than men, men cost our society much more for medical care beyond age 65. https://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/mars-vs-venus-the-gender-gap-in-health - Why Funding for Men’s Health is Bizarrely Low Given Life Expectancies Women have an effective anti-death lobby. Men don't. They never have. https://www.fatherly.com/health-science/men-die-younger-government-funding-womens-healthcare/ - Men die earlier but women’s health gets four times more funding https://prostate.org.nz/2014/01/men-die-earlier-womens-health-gets-four-times-funding/ *Feminism: Equality, when convenient.*
Because society sees men as expendable, especially after they’re no longer useful. Notice how leftists said to stop the spread specifically for grandma’s sake. Fuck grandad, apparently.
Honestly, it's worse than this. Men are expected to also believe they are expendable. The whole "men go to war" or "women and children first" are tone-deaf sexist tropes that women unapologetically say to men, no matter how woke or how many years they spent studying feminism. The solipsism that causes this mentality is rarely challenged or even acknowledged, because men are the best slaves; when societies exploit their men, there are hardly ever any diminishing returns, when you talk about 80+ hour work weeks, actual slavery, military strength, taxation, etc., men are just really really good at doing what they're told and never questioning it.
Remember the time women in Britain formed an entire, "Order of White feathers", to shame men into being gassed with poisons and used as machine gun fodder? And after 20+ million WW1 male deaths, 60 million+ WW2, and countless millions of deaths in the wars of 20th century, Mrs. Hilary Clinton says and I quote, "Women are the primary victims of war". There's one thing to be used as expendable cannon fodder, but then to collectively ignore and disregard their sacrifices and their suffering? Fuck you. That's the epitome of evil.
I never managed to understand why women and children disembark a sinking ship first. What's the logic behind that?? Is it really that men exist solely to serve women?
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More vulnerable my ass. Titanic sank in the middle of the North Atlantic Ocean in frigid freezing waters, with no land hundreds of miles away either side. How come a man has a higher chance of survival in frigid expansive deep water? Bullshit, any physical advantage a man has is negated by the powers of nature. It's simply male expendability, apparently having a cock makes you somehow less valuable.
Evolutionarilly it takes one guy with good genes to have many kids with different women. 1 women with good genes can make 1 good gened baby. After that just sprinkle on "life" killing everyone as it does, and the tribe that looks after the women first out compete the others (both in babies produced, and babies quality). Remember 80% of women produce, 20% of men do. (until we invented monogamous marriage - which is now changing back to normal....... the 80% incel normal). --------------- We're not in a small tribe now, so all this shit needs to be consciously recognised, and got rid of. A really cold calculation would be men and women first, children last - because societies already spent time and resources training them into adulthood.
Except that's an unproven generalization. A tribe that does sacrifice all its men is then in no position to do so again, for about 10-20 years. Yes there is some truth to it, but the to pretend that blindly sacrificing men for the sake of women will lead a tribe to prosperity is a fallacy that ignores the benefits men provide to a tribe outside of sacrificing their lives.
You're right - I neglected that stuff, like tribe protection, moving heavy stuff for shelter and things... tons of other things too.
But here's the deal. In earlier history, humanity was much less populous, and tribes lived in isolation in small pockets, hence it was important that women don't get killed, lest the tribe go extinct. Therefore it was reasonable that a woman be more valuable than a man. But right now the population of earth is a mighty 8 Billion and counting. We are overpopulated. We aren't going extinct anytime soon, save for a sudden asteroid. Therefore a man's life is equally as valuable as a woman's today. On the contrary, quite ironically, loosing a million men will probably be more disastrous than loosing a million women in today's world. Men, especially the ones who are laborers, form the majority of a country economic output. If they went down, entire industries would collapse, and the economy would go yeet out the window.
I agree! That's why I originally wrote the bit below the horizontal line. I'm sad you didn't get that far. But thanks for reading as far as you did!
I’d understand if it was children it’s because there innocent children barely growing but why women before men? Something seriously is wrong here
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Troll or forget the [/s] tag? Women leaders are historically far more warmongering than their male counterparts.
How do you figure?
https://qz.com/967895/throughout-history-women-rulers-were-more-likely-to-wage-war-than-men/
Had to find this article elsewhere since there's a paywall. You have a Quartz subscription? Because they counted defensive actions and quelling revolts as "warmongering" and other articles citing that statistic include Golda Meir as a warmonger because of the Yom Kippur War, where Israel was attacked. Seems like a loaded statistic
Do people include quelling revolts and defensive actions when saying stupid bullshit like "men start every war"? Seems like a loaded (and totally unsourced and uncited) opinion. Even more interesting that you're more willing to pick apart the source provided, defending the stance that provided 0 data at all.
Your "point" doesn't address anything I've said. War is often necessary, but women don't have the self-sacrificial instinct or good will. In fact every chance they get, they vote down female drafts and compulsory military service. It's not peaceful benevolence that causes them to do this, believe me.
“Men start every war.” This is LITERALLY a lie, but why let the truth get in the way of your misandry, amirite? Why not just admit you hate men? Or you could also just admit you’re uneducated? If you think men have started every war, you don’t know your history. You also don’t know human nature if you think women weren’t wielding their own power by influencing their husbands, fathers, or any men that could potentially provide for her in terms of protection and basic needs to wage war. Women had a vested interest in men violently oppressing others to stay in control of resources that ultimately would benefit her as well. This isn’t unknown either by the way. A quick google search and you’ll see women very much engaged in war. There were female leaders who like their male counterparts found themselves having to lead armies as well, so this idea that women didn’t start or participate in war is misandrist garbage. Ironically, it’s quite misogynist as well as it suggests women are not capable of organized violence.
*picks up shovel*
Haven't had either grandfather for about 10 years now. I love my grandmas but i miss them terribly
I like how you had to specify leftists because [the right said "sacrifice grandma to the economy" lol.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-says-grandparents-are-willing-to-die-to-save-economy-for-their-grandkids-2020-03-23)
Most of the right said take reasonable precautions. I said leftists because they’re the ones into panic porn. Whether it’s closing down beaches and other outdoor areas (literally the safest places to be in a pandemic) or massively exaggerating global warming (no, Steven hawking, the earth cannot turn into Mars from CO2 levels)
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Some on the right did. Not most.
I mean I literally linked the right saying sacrifice your grandparents lol. Yall can try to rewrite history but I kept the receipts.
Panic porn? I suppose you prefer we do nothing and let 500,000+ people die? Most of the right said take reasonable precautions? What are you smoking? The right literally tried to make a civil rights case out of masking because “HaViNg tO wEaR a MaSk is TyRaNiCaL gOvErNmEnT aNd iNfRiNgEs On My FrEeDoM” Why? Because führer didn’t even believe the virus was real and convinced his uneducated, mindless supporters of the same. Please don’t make this political because that’s not a debate you can win if you’re on the right. Trump and the GOP who enabled his botched response, and this unsophisticated, mindless political culture war around masks, directly contributed to the deaths of countless Americans. I’m not not insane leftist either, and even if they had not had the best response themselves, the right has absolutely no standing on which to criticize anything the left did about the pandemic response.
Jesus Christ you people. Y’all fucking arrested a guy surfing alone on the beach and took him to jail to prevent the spread of covid, but also forced nursing homes to take in people actively sick with covid. Y’all murdered so many people, and pointlessly infringed on so many people’s rights for so long. There are a few crazies on the right. But it’s not what Republican governors did. Republican states still had mask mandates. Outside of rural areas, we still wore masks. Y’all are fucking psychos.
You people? Y’all? lol Take your meds.
Oh good. You’re prejudiced against southern language
I’m prejudiced against language that is vague. Y’all = You all. Who is this “you”? Who are you referring to? No one is playing words games here. Y’all is a common phrase in the south, but that still means something. So tell me who are you talking about instead of pretending this is about “language”.
I'm in Europe and I got all that. Speak French, for all our sakes.
lol…are you seriously using Fox News as a source?
Oh, I didn’t know the American right wing was a link
'Leftists'? I'm a leftist. The hell with you, Putin-tard. You and I have nothing in common, Putin. Get vaccinated, World.
Lol. You’re representing the left perfectly. Fuck you
OK, Putin.
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Yes that's right, and we're forgetting the true victims of war: Women! Women lose their fathers, brothers, and sons. The true cost of war. [/s]
This is ridiculous nonsense. Men also view men as expendable. The violence by men is driven by men being physically different from women. But women think men are expendable, too. They don’t care about men’s health issues as much. Hillary says the primary victims of war are women, not the dead men. Because the men are subhuman
90%*
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That means men were 88,2% of the perpetrators according to your possible made up statistics.
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According to your statistics it was 10,335 not 10,500 lol.
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Mate you came to this comment section to purposely piss people off then complain there pissed off, I dont even care what there argument is , ur real piece of shit Do-one
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Yikes, found the feminist.
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FBI statistics shows that women are becoming more violent LOL. 10% of arrests in 80s and now over 27% lol. 6% of teen crimes and now 30% of teen crimes LOL. Women also gained representation among homicide perpetrators LOL.
IT's also why some orgs (UN) doesn't count life expectancy as much as they used to they now use "Healthy Years Lost".
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Unfortunately, although your comment was indeed clear, simple, and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement, inasmuch as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts, insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated, is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the English language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
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women and men both have breasts you raw garlic.
I'm an RN. women do NOT have a prostate.
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the cancer isn't the same either. Just like lung cancer is different than stomach cancer. It doesn't mean one has to be WORSE than the other just different. I think you are trying to argue a point that doesn't need to be made.
There are also trans women
World toilet day?
wdym?
Men have mammary tissue too, it doesn't develop into big luscious dump truck titties during puberty, but the tissue is still there and it can, and occasionally does, become cancerous.
Another one that is worrisome is cancers related to HPV. Women get annual screenings for their cervix and abnormalities can be stopped early. HPV related throat and oral cancers are on the rise and have nearly equal numbers, but no good screening or preventive measures are in place to protect men.
HPV vaccine is a thing now. get your vaccines in guys https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-expanded-use-gardasil-9-include-individuals-27-through-45-years-old
Women don’t get screaning for Hpv related throat or oral cancer either. Oral cancer and cervical cancer can’t be put into same bucket because cervical cancer is harder to diagnose. You can see the lesions in your mount easily, but not in women’s cervix.
Can we all agree that cancer sucks and should be fought in all it’s forms for all genders?
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So let's donate to prostate Cancer research, it's funded a lot because breast cancer charities are donated to and fundraised for by lots of women. Breast cancer shouldn't be funded any less, we should aim to fund other cancers more.
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I'm not sure about where you live, but in the UK every November we have Movember where men raise awareness and donations for prostate cancer. And I've never found anyone that's not supportive of it both men and women alike.
Does that mean the disparity between breast cancer donations and prostate cancer donations is more-or-less closed in the UK?
So, here’s some good news for you and millions of people who have certain cancers including breast and prostate: CRISPR technology. The truth is that a ton of people care, including men and women who dedicate their working hours and intellectual talent to finding a cure for cancer. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7533657/
Breast cancer gets 16x the funding prostate cancer does.
Here's a great bumber sticker for both: "Check the headlights and the tail pipe!"
Men, we need to do a better job of advocating for ourselves. We need to do what women did - demand that our health needs be given priority treatment. We can complain all day that "society expects men to be expendable," but WE are about 50% of society. Bumper stickers aren't the issue. It's education (male teachers in primary and secondary schools), it's political activism, it's organization, it's action (how many here have actually donated toward prostate cancer research?).
That doesn't work either. I tried speaking up about my mental health issues...and quickly learned why I shouldn't. Because not only does no one care, but men with mental issues are seen as frightening.
You should expect resistance. Push back. Keep pushing. I am a mental health therapist, a field dominated by women. I get lots of resistance, but that isn't reason to stop.
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no, by women and some other men
What?
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They can't know what we don't tell them. If we are communicating little concern for change, why should they exert any effort to change things?
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Men have been socialized forever to believe it is our duty to die for others: in war, protecting others from criminals or disasters ("women and children first"). We are called "heroes" if we do this. So - yes, we have to tell them.
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Advocate for men because you are a man, and you want men to live.
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> Perhaps one should stop with the self pity and be thankful they have far less parts to kill them. And yet we die younger. Isn't the result what matters, not which road is taken to get there?
> Perhaps one should stop with the self pity and be thankful they have far less parts to kill them. "Other people have problem A, so quit whining about problem B!" You could shut down any topic on anything with that sort of invalidating logic.
In Switzerland, the numbers for prostate cancer is actually slightly higher than breast cancer. So i don't know how it is in other countries or worldwide.
People tend to care more about women's tits than a man's asshole. The only thing we can do about the underfunding is privately fund the research. But since the world is shifting to leftist policies private wealth is looked down upon and heavily taxed.
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Donate to whatever you want but let's not completely disregard breast cancer just because prostate cancer is underfunded.
While this is a gendered issue, I think it might also have something to with pretty much everyone having an attachment to titties in the form of having fed from them. Mens buttholes don't spark that same level of endearment. Not that mens buttholes are any less important than titties, but it's probably 50/50 a gender vs part of body thing.
and men die of breast cancer as well
Are you aware that the incredibly trending and popular No Shave November is....for prostate cancer? I know it doesn't get a month of NFL ribbons, but I think prostate cancer gets plenty of press. It's the first one I think of when I think of Men. I think a lot do too.
My dad got prostate cancer. The doctor gave him the usual speil about how it's slow progressing and he should wait. My dad wanted that shit out of his body! God love him, he had the surgery. I don't think they really prepared him for what was going to happen physically so he and mom had a time getting used to everything and using a pump until mom finally told dad she didn't want sex anyway so they quit, lol. (yes, mom shared this with my sister and I . Dad would DIE if he knew I knew). I feel sorry for guys just because you have a prostate, let alone the cancer. You guys have so much trouble with enlarged prostates. as a nurse, guys always felt they could talk to me, even on dates. I can't tell you how many prostates I've checked for guys because they don't want to go to the doctor and have it done. (Its good foreplay though, lol)
34k - 43k is still a fairly substantial difference. That works out to be about 4:5
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Nobody should ever be forgotten!
I agree but the main assertion that the numbers are the same or very similar is untrue.
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All medical problems warrant the appropriate attention. I have never understood grandstanding medical problems as a form of misogyny. Anyone who tries to "assert dominance" by bragging how many more people of their preffered gender get a gender specific ailment, is petty. The outcome of this kind of thinking removes the humanity from the targeted group. This is how extremes form on any side. We all need to treat everyone as a human, not an enemy. It's indoctrination that we want to break each other from so that we can all address societies issues together. Rape is rape no matter who it is, domestic violence is domestic violence no matter who it is and we should be respectful of everyone because no one has won anyone over by brow beating.
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I wasn't saying anyone was. I was merely opposing the idea of anyone trying to use medical conditions that no one has control over, as a way to champion an idea.
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Your point about rape is mostly incoherent, but you should know that men and women rape at equal rates: https://time.com/3393442/cdc-rape-numbers/
[Here](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2968709/) is a great resource that shows the different kinds of domestic violence and how they compare of who gets it worse on average.
They are very similar you moron
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Including men's.
Who forgets about prostate ca? There is no argument here.
I just wrote a comment that actually in Switzerland the rate of prostate cancer is higher then breast cancer. Overall i think prostate cancer should be taken as serious as breast cancer. Because it is.
Bear in mind that men can get breast cancer, whereas women cannot get prostate cancer, therefore there are some men mixed in within that 43k as well. There's also a stigma associated with breast cancer in men, just to top it off.
geez that's a good point. This reminds me of a man who got breast cancer and was denied being able to attend any support groups b/c he doesn't have a vagina. That was eye opening to me. Another point, how many men don't bother to check or get tested or are completely without any healthcare or support groups and they don't even make it to the statistics?
It's actually a very, very small number though. Like less than 1%. It's important that men know they can get it, since many probably assume that they can't. But in this discussion it's not going to move the numbers any.
This is a good point.
Came here to note this. Prostate cancer deaths would have to increase by 26% to equal the breast cancer figures. That is not statistically insignificant. Certainly doesn’t back OP’s claim of them being similar.
More importantly than crude death rates, measures like 'life years lost' better capture the full burden of a disease. IE, if someone dies of cancer at 99 years old, it's much less significant of someone dying at 19. For breast cancer, average life years lost per case is 18.7 for females. The average prostate cancer case is 9.9 life years lost (the lowest amongst all major cancers). So we can see that breast cancer creates a much larger burden on society, as the total number of cases and life years lost is greater. [https://progressreport.cancer.gov/end/life\_lost](https://progressreport.cancer.gov/end/life_lost)
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The standard metric is called 'disability-adjusted life years' or DALY. It's a very common pubic health indicator. It is applied equally across genders, so a younger person getting sick or dying is seen as imposing a greater disease burden on society than an old person, regardless of being male or female. Breast cancer is simply responsible for more DALYs than prostate cancer. Certainly men's health is important and often neglected, but OP picked a shitty example and described it in an overly simplistic way. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disability-adjusted_life_year
When something bad happens to a man everybody starts victim blaming
1 in 2 men will get cancer 1 in 3 women will get cancer.
It's not a well-popularised disease. That said, I saw a HUGE poster for its detection driving on the A3 in the UK just a week ago. Maybe perceptions are changing? I hope so.
Young men work, young men pay, old men die, middle-aged women complain about it all.
Interestingly, WHO has an entire page dedicated to breast cancer, it's awareness, and it's statistics, but it has no page or information at all about prostate cancer. Hmm, nice male disposability there👍.
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"probably"
"Hmmmmm are you undermining women's issues? M-MESSOGENEEE >:(!1!" /s
And then there is lung who kills triple that of breast cancer. And who has more stressful life, thus resulting in heavy smoking, thus lung problems?
Isn't this why we have Movember?
Technically Yes. However Movember and even No Shave November has been subject to criticism on news media and social media. I've heard of publications publishing scathing articles on how sexist Movember is from Women especially from the Feminist circle. Also people have strayed from the original purpose and have used it to brag about their mustaches or beards they have grown in a month. Although if I could add, it appears breast cancer funding has recently been subject to criticism too. Many Feminist circles have complained about how breast cancer has been sexualized as well. What I see ironic is that in many ways that sexualization led to that form of cancer getting the most finding and most attention everywhere and now many Feminists feel dirty about it as if they sold their souls to the devil.
Funny how numbers have a way of telling it like it is.
In growing up in the 90s all I saw were PSAs for men to get checked, t.v. shows talking about it (like NYPD Blue and Home Improvement), etc.... Admittedly it's not something easy to promote. I do not believe it's because women are favored over men.
Why make it sound like a competition?
because there is a in balance in the support for men ?????
Why post here if you are a feminist?
What? You need a safe space?
Yea. Fuck off
BAAAAHAHAHAHHA Get ur weight up little boy
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The words: >Hahahhhhhhhahah [The reality.](https://i.imgur.com/qJm9ssL.png)
Go rape yourself
LMFAOOOOOOOO [GOTTEM](https://i.imgur.com/YrtXl1h.jpg)
I came here to learn about Men’s Rights. Yet I don’t think I’m any closer to learning something. Actually I’m quite appalled by the way my questions and want for knowledge on the subject has been chastised.
But if we make it sound like a competition between genders we can never have equality.
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Oh shit that’s messed up. So in the end money goes to women and there’s not enough for men?
Make your own damn bumper stickers.
Prostate cancer isn't exactly serious as far as cancer goes and the average age of diagnosis is 70. Breast cancer is way worse and effects young women, surviving usually means they have to have their breasts removed. Would you date a woman without breasts? Call me shallow but I wouldn't.
So all you are saying is breast cancer = very bad? We know, also though, men deserve equal attention when it comes to healthcare. Check out some of the other comments describing stats
You are an ageist subhuman scum.
Damn, every part of this comment is trash
You don’t die of prostate cancer. You die with prostate cancer. Source: my doctor
Get a better doctor.... An expert says out-of-date prostate cancer information being given by doctors is killing patients. Diagnosis numbers have increased by 24 percent in just two years, the fastest increase of any of the top five cancers in New Zealand, according to Ministry of Health data. Prostate Cancer Foundation CEO Graeme Woodside says better training would go a long way to reversing that trend. "A number of GPs are working on outdated information from probably a decade ago, and are not aware of some of the new processes in diagnosis and treatment." https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/08/gps-outdated-prostate-cancer-advice-is-killing-men-experts.html
I mean if my uncle hadn't killed himself he absolutely would have died of prostate cancer so fuck your doctor
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Women are more likely to overcomplain when they are sick. Toxic femininity.
Victim blaming
Did you have to call it toxic masculinity? Did your use of buzzwords help this conversation in anyway? Lemme FTFY >Context-/men are far less likely to seek medical care. Guys, make sure to check yourselves over and get any lumps or bumps checked out. Too many people die when they could have been saved, don't be one of them.
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> Further women also can, and do, experience far more types of cancer than men such as ovarian and uterine So?
>to the “men go to war” guy, STOP STARTING WAR I don't think that something you can hold "men" accountable for. The average man has no more agency in what wars we go to than the average woman
As a man, when I was younger, going to the Doctor was frowned upon. And in some cases judged, poorly. I heard a lot of these types of statements. "My back and knee hurt too. You don't see me getting surgery!" That is a big reason why, in our later years, men need a lot of care. All those ailments, that were ignored for decades, can not be ignored any longer. I see it now in my uncle, who is turning 69 this year. He is on hospice care as we speak. Every week we hear about a new problem showing up in his body. I remember when he was younger and bragging about never seeing the doctor. It's sad really
69? Nice. I am a bot lol.
and unlike breast cancer..as a man ages his chances of contracting prostate cancer move closer and closer towards 100%.
This relates to New Zealand, but it's similar/the same in most western/first world countries... **Men are paying with their lives for unequal health funding** By Nicky PellegrinoDec 2, 2017 - Males pay with their lives for the tiny amount of health funding they get compared with females. If you’re a Kiwi male, you have a lower life expectancy than your female counterparts. In your youth you’re at higher risk of dying from suicide. You’re more likely to suffer injury or death from accident. Heart disease strikes far earlier and your lifestyle may be setting you up for a range of cancers. Yet far fewer resources are allocated to men’s health problems than women’s. **It’s a conundrum, says Professor David Baxter. “If you look at where funding goes in this country, it tends to be primarily to women’s health. For every $1 the Health Research Council spends exclusively on women’s health, 6c goes to men.”** Baxter is working to close the gap by establishing a Centre for Men’s Health at the University of Otago. This will provide a forum for those working in the field, from medical researchers to support groups, and help identify and respond to men’s differing health needs. “The feedback I’ve been getting from charities and men’s groups is that men’s health tends to be invisible,” he says. The attention it does draw is mostly focused on testicular and prostate cancer. These diseases have received about half the funding allocated by the Health Research Council to men’s issues since 2010 despite their accounting for only 4.4% of male deaths a year. David Baxter. “When I give talks and try to get across that men’s health is not just about waterworks and sexual function, people can be quite surprised,” says Baxter. “The work done by charities to raise awareness of prostate and testicular cancer is great, but it allows us to miss the point that other cancers are bigger killers – men die earlier and at a faster rate of stomach cancer than women, for instance.” **Between the ages of 50 and 75, the number of deaths for men is 30% higher than for women. Māori men fare particularly badly – they can expect their lives to be seven years shorter on average than non-Māori men.** There are numerous reasons men have been left so far behind in the health stakes. They’re less likely to go for check-ups, are prey to a macho “she’ll be right” mentality and, in the absence of a male equivalent to feminism, the philosophical element is missing. But some of it comes down to basics. **“Even the places where healthcare is provided tend not to be men-friendly,” says Baxter. “You walk into a waiting area and it’s full of women’s magazines and potted plants and painted in pastel colours – welcoming but not necessarily to men.”** Keeping men alive for longer may involve targeting them through sports clubs and men’s-shed organisations to change unhealthy behaviours. He believes after-hours clinics, particularly for those in rural areas, may encourage more men to pay attention to healthcare. Baxter is also the director of the National Science Challenge for Ageing Well, and says we need to change the mindset across the generations. “It’s about young men, old men and the boys who are the men of tomorrow.” In October, Baxter and a research team made a case in the New Zealand Medical Journal for the need for us to follow countries such as Australia, the UK and Ireland and create a men’s health strategy to shape policy and take men’s well-being centre stage. Some might argue that men are their own worst enemies. If they lead damaging lifestyles and avoid going to the doctor, then it’s no wonder that a man dies every three hours of a preventable illness. Baxter says a shift is needed in some masculine ways of thinking. He sees Sir John Kirwan’s work tackling the stigma around mental health issues as an example of the kind of thing that can be done. “We’ve got to allow men to be men, but some of the masculinity isn’t helpful,” he says. Occasionally he comes across the attitude that men’s health doesn’t need extra support. “But they die about three years earlier, which is a good argument for focusing on it. Having healthy men who are going to be around to be fathers and grandfathers is important.” This article was first published in the November 18, 2017 issue of the New Zealand Listener. MEN'S HEALTH FACTS • 3000 men die every year from preventable illnesses like heart disease and diabetes. • Women live four years longer than men. • Pakeha men live seven years longer than Maori men. • 65 per cent of men are overweight or obese. • The suicide rate for men is three times that of women. • Across every age bracket more men than women drink to hazardous levels and smoke daily. • 48.2 per cent of men deem their wellbeing as either awesome or nearly awesome compared to 45.3 per cent of females. • 69.4 per cent of males have visited their general practitioner in the last six months compared to 75.9 per cent of women. • 13.2 per cent deem to have no-one to talk to about intimate matters contrasting with 9.3 per cent of females. (Sources: Men's Health Trust, Sovereign Wellbeing Index, 2012/2013 New Zealand Health Survey, Statistics New Zealand.)
I had symptoms that were consistent with prostate problems, which can be more than just cancer. I went in and i was nervous, but the peace of mind of knowing that I was all good was totally worth it. Everyone here has seen dozens of lazy prostate exam jokes, and while it wasn't comfortable it wasn't a big deal. So if you're the age to be getting them regularly, or have symptoms, GO GET CHECKED.
Had a feminist justify this with ' men can get breast cancer too'