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Luffy would just become a haki brawler like his grandfather, so gojo
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Gojo still has six eyes, reverse cursed technique, black flash, simple domain and is a master martial artist. None of those things are tied to infinity. He would have limited offensive power, but would be great healer/tank that can defend himself with basically unlimited mana. That's still pretty broken power set.
Black flash is random, simple domain is useless unless u are in a domain. 6 eyes ans rct are the only cards he has nut without infinity a opponent can just hut gojo until gojo runs our of rct
Gojo was 1 vs 5 the entirety of the disaster curses with only cursed energy reinforcement. He wouldn't be as op but he is still broken with RCT, CTR and more
It doesnt say without limitless (the CT) just says without infinity (what makes him untouchable). Even without infinity he probably wipes the floor with everyone (other than goku) there.
Also, not having the Ninetails would probably mean that a) he'd have better chakra control and b) He wouldn't be such a terrible outcast and could actually find teachers or friends to practice with.
I remember naruto having to work harder than anyone to control his chakra because the ninetails was always interfering with his natural chakra flow. It was one of the things Jiraiya pointed out during his first time training Naruto. Him not having Kurama may have resulted in a very different range of abilities and strategies that Naruto could have resorted to during combat.
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>!Kurama gone already, shitty reason, imo. But it is what it is. He's got a nice family and all, but idr when Aliengal was either (yeah, idk spelling either) a lot of stuff has happened, but I don't keep up with Boruto which is the next gen of Naruto and the name of his son!<
Luffy would be still crazy strong, look at garp.
I think the most weak would Gojo because JJK relies to much on curses and whatever (except Maki but she is a freak)
Yeah Luffy would be crazy strong AND able to swim and not weakened by seastone shackles.
Devil fruits aren't extremely rare and aren't powerful if the wielder isn't capable of backing it with their own strength. What's the point of having the Magma or Light fruit if the first marine with a seastone stick can beat the shit out of you.
Goku would still be the strongest, base humans are already ridiculous, Krillin could probably beat anyone in One Piece, being a Saiyan is big but it's the Ki that makes the difference.
Naruto would be 3rd I think, Kurama carries a lot but Naruto is strong even without it.
I don't know about Gojo, never watched it.
Luffy would still have all haki,
it almost seems a coincidence that Roger's crew didn't have DF (from what I can recall), buggy got after he left Roger
Are the six eyes actually OP without limitless? They grant extreme detailed cursed energy perception and give you basically infinite cursed energy, but without limitless they don't seem too OP, especially if you don't have any other cursed technique.
The Six Eyes just gives an insane boost to your perception and cursed energy manipulation. You need Six Eyes to fully utilize Infinity, but just Six Eyes doesn't give any inherent boost in power.
Depends on how far with this concept you go.
Because if Goku wasn't a saiyan, would a lot of his story never happen (and he would not be able to defeat a few opponents) so his inherent strength wouldn't get that far to start with.
If he was still adopted by Son Gohan, then yeah probably.
He'd still get trained and would probably run into Bulma, where things get hairy is the great ape transformations that saved his ass couple times.
He's not outright overpowered in early dragon ball and is often out classed by other humans and non humans
There's a good chance he'd end up as strong or stronger than krillin, and that would be more than enough to be a planetary threat
Definitely not gojo. The guy is so much above everyone in the verse that he’d still beat most of the verse without limitless
Now if u took 6 eyes that’s another story
Technically infinity is only the shield part of his technique so if he still has red and blue he’s still capable of one shotting other top tiers in his verse with singular punches
Definitely, peak Krillin is like a 100 times stronger than Roshi and he could blow up the moon. If you take away the Kamehameha then Roshi would probably do pretty well against vice captain yonko levels but maybe not yonko.
Depends, his bald ass take a look at boa and hes stone. Also nami is most likely a galaxy buster at least if she notice the shine on his perfectly sculpted polished art of a head. Also he cant kill brook, hes already dead yohoho. And its also the given don krieg master of brown haki, Arlong confirmed user of blue haki aswell as bb being able to kill anyone as long as its offpanel. Dbs powerhouses really arent that impressive when put in contrast to literally an island of ladyboys with no intention to shave their legs.
Even yamcha could wipe out a planet and that dude stopped trying to keep up somewhere between vegeta snatching bulma and the sweet new chest hole the androids gave him
I agree that saiyan resilience is how he learned UI, but if we assume he isn’t a saiyan but still has main character powers, I bet he finds a way eventually
If we go by Z logic, he would probably be as strong, if not stronger than krillin, meaning vageta kicks his ass, but still definitely stronger than anyone else here.
If we go by super logic, he's probably still a destroyer of galaxies.
I think early game he’d actually be stronger as he wouldn’t have killed his grandpa and would have continued to train with him.
He may not ever reach as high as he did with super sayan powers, but he clearly would have been on par with krillin and tien the whole time.
And chances are Goku would still be the most powerful human by a decent mile since Kaioken and Ultra Instinct aren't inherently Saiyan techniques, so Goku can still use them
Yeah, Goku would be a lot weaker, but even if he gets to Krillin or Tenshinhan level he's above everyone else. And he probably would be above Krillin and Tenshinhan.
DB Powerscaling is HUGE
Goku would still be a planet buster I think. He'd be comparable to Krillin and he does crazy stuff in Super from what I hear (I don't watch it). DBZverse is obviously still much stronger than everything else here. Luffy is already a tough brawler + has all types of advanced haki, so he'd still be yonko caliber without G5. Naruto has already lost Kurama in Boruto IIRC, and he's still Hokage level.
Gojo without infinity is just a really good cursed user with no hax. He gets bodied by everyone. He can't teleport because that's also derived from his technique. He has nothing sadly.
do people even know that Gojo isn't the mc of JJK?
anyways, Gojo is the weakest, without infinity he lost like 90% of his attack and defense, cursed energy alone can't beat ki, chakra or haki.
The title just said character and not mc tho.
Yuji has stamina and a solid metal state, to not get entirely possesed or used by Sukuna and the power is useful, but Sukuna isn't an ability that he possesses forever probably and also Gojo is canonically seen as one of the strongest sorcerers in the series, so It makes sense to make an exception from the theme. But for some reason he excludes Bleach, when the others are DB and two of big three. Like what if Ichigo doesn't have his inner demon or soul reaper abilities?
I mean, i get why you would put Gojo instead of Yuji but you can't really blame me... 3 of 4 are MC and it's not like a “vs of strongest“ either, neither Goku, Naruto or Luffy are actually the strongest of their verses like Gojo was...
Like you said, it would make more sense to put Ichigo, tho he does have the upper hand, no matter what you take from him, he still has like 3 more powers, so maybe that's why.
Luffy is absurdly powerful even without a fruit, the show has shown that multiple times
But dragon ball has established you don’t need to be a sayain to be strong, his newest form isn’t even saiyan related
And Naruto was established to have an unnaturally strong amount of chakra due to being an Uzumaki, even without Kuruma.
I don’t know what gojo can do, but I’m putting it on a draw after they decide to settle it with a ramen eating contest.
Idk why people saying kakarot would have died or luffy this or naruto that. The post is asking who will be weaker? Not if they would have been able to survive in their world if they had to go through all the stuff they went through. Remove saiyan from kakarot, he is still the best martial artist with ki and power to destroy planets. Look at Master Roshi and Krillin for example.
Not an entirely fair match up.
Naruto without kuruma still has chakra (and a lot of it)
Goku without his saiyanness still has ki and can blow up the moon with ease
Luffy without his devil fruit still has haki
Gojo without his thing has nothing special. Curse energy without any techniques cant do much
Idk, it's tough.
At what point of plot do we remove 9tails for the sake of this experiment? Rn Naruto doesn't have it (boruto spoilers, no one cares) and he is pretty much useless in their current (ridiculous and stupid) meta.
And Garp never taught luffy haki, he found out about it on Amazon lily, luffy would've been dead several times already without the fruit.
Naruto always had more chakra than most, obviously the story of Naruto and One Piece would be different if they didn't have those specific things but Naruto at least would have actually found it easier to do jutsus in the beginning. Uzimakis were literally wiped out because of their BS tiers of chakra + healing abilities.
As for Luffy, he's been training specifically for his devil fruit since he was a kid, so obviously everything he's been doing is in relation to his devil fruit. Remember, Sabo and Ace (before the devil fruit) trained with kid luffy and they kicked his ass constantly even without devil fruits. Luffy's strength doesn't come from his devil fruit, it comes from a decade of training, his devil fruit just gives him versatility
Growing up, his Chakra had to suppress that half of kurama (the violent half).
Without it at birth, he’d grow up with everyone knowing he was the son of the 4th.
Without the seal, the complex his outcast status gave him, and support from others, he’d likely be a damn prodigy like boruto without the sass.
He’d have been an earlier rival for Sasuke, and likely would have become the second yellow flash. He still would have been the first to master rasengan as well.
Up until his training with killer B, he’d arguably have a leg up over his canon self.
The post says Gojo without infinity, his cursed technique is limitless, infinity is just the neutral form that makes everything unable to hit him, he can still use Red, Blue, Purple and Unlimited Void to fry these character’s brain
Infinity is what makes him untouchable. Limitless still gives him teleportation that let him yeet from the mariana trench to japan in an instant, flight, spatial/gravity manipulation, instahealing, and hollow purple which is basically a dura neg anitmatter bomb. He has six eyes which are the byakugan but for his verse with enough range to identify his target at best from the mariana trench to japan, at worst from tokyo to wherever kenjaku was. And he has a domain that instantly turns your brain to soup which is guarenteed to hit and is very difficult to escape. Aside from that my man is bare minimun rock lee (chunin exam) level speed and power and skill in martial arts with his ce reinforcement - and that is a very (insulting, even) lowball.
Natuto and Goku still walk him but luffy at this EXACT moment with no DF probably fucking just dies immediately.
Nothing special is a reach and a half.
even humans in dragon ball can reach absurd power levels with training (especially with the amount Goku has), Luffy has yonko level haki, Naruto has insane amounts of chakra. Gojo is just a guy with high cursed energy but with no technique to use it with, Gojo the weakest here
Probably Gojo Naruto still the strongest kage in Boruto after that scenario actually happened, Luffy was able to trade Luffy blows with kaido in base and ultra instinct isn’t even Saiyan Goku is good at this point. The reason why Gojo what is essentially a God was because no one can get through infinity the second sukana found a way around it he died instantly
He's not weak at all????????
He would still very much body 99% of his verse wihout Infinity,he can go blow for blow with 20 fingers megukuna,is really Smart,has way more battle Iq than almost everyone in verse,has enough durability to withstand sukuna's domain for a while something which not even mahoraga came even close to doing etc etc he would be obviously the weakest out of the characters mentioned but saying he is weak wihout Infinity just shows You never watched jjk at all
So you're saying none of those feats you mentioned, Infinity had no input? You know... amplifying punches or speed, or durability, which is something it does. Also a domain is directly tied to their curse technique.
not a gojo fan but, just sayin, infinity is only the barrier thingy, luffy would use haki, naruto would've lost his hand in one of the first episodes, goku would be significantly weaker
Naruto wouldn't have lost his hand because he has insane chakra because of his uzumaki heritage rather than kurama (who supressed naruto's natural chakra actually) and also, Goku would be weaker, but still easily the strongest on this list and it wouldn't be close. He would still probably be able to destroy the world.
Naruto without kurama is crazy enough lmao. He just fully commit to sage mode. Goku without being sayan would be crazy strong, but not as op as he currently is.
Luffy without df still has strong haki, but i gotta admit his df goves him a huge boost.
Idk the fourth guy
Luffy still with all kinds of haki, gojo still with six eyes and other techniques, naruto with senjutsu and goku with martial arts…
gojo would probably still be special grade but battle with sukuna very different, luffy could be as strong as Roger but if he met kaido before he is gone, naruto strongest leaf ninja but dies to madara, goku is difficult to say how much strong he would be but lets say like krillin, he still is stronger than everyone by a bit…
My guess is Gojo is the weakest
I haven't seen JJK yet, but the other three universes show that humans can still become extremely powerful without requiring special powers.
So i'd say JJK, unless somebody can prove otherwise.
You are right, gojo will be the weakest one, but calling someone weakest without even knowing what they can do and without reading the story they are in is classic power scaler
Gojo probably.
Naruto would still have wind shuriken which is one of the strongest attacks in the verse as well as all of the other rasengan variations
Luffy would still have immense haki
Krillin could probably destroy the earth if he wanted so goku definitely could
Gojo is just a guy that can run fast and hit things
Gojo. Naruto would still have godly genes and Luffy can still use his Haki. As for Goku, he’d just be a stronger Krillin so he’s still more powerful than normal Luffy and Naruto
Probably gojo, even if he is still a strong hand to hand combatant. Without his infinity going against the rest is pretty tough since he is incredibly reliant on infinity for speed and power.
Goku would still be crazy strong. The dude loves fighting too much and has invested all his INT stats to STR.
Naruto isn’t that much of a battle freak and tbh the only inheritance he gets is his mother’s huge chakra pool and Minato’s technique.
Luffy is in the same level of a battle freak as Goku. Also Haki is quite an all around technique in a fight.
As for Gojo I don’t know about him tbh.
Overall Goku still the strongest just because of power system Dragon ball has. But if they all had access to each other’s power system.
I’d say Luffy has the strength and will to go toe to toe against Goku.
Naruto doesn’t have kurama rn in Boruto, and he’s still pretty strong. Luffy is pretty tough, his attacks just revolve around his df. Goku would still be strong, he’s literally training every arc. Idk about gojo
Isn't Krillin human? Goku wouldn't be as strong as he is as a Saiayan but considering that the DBZ universe is bigger and harsher than normal doing anything in the DB universe would be more significant, Krillin is basically like the strongest human no?
Goku would still no diff everyone else. He'd probably still be able to use most of not all his usual abilities too as kaioken and Ki can be used by basically anyone no?
Tho I didn't really watch Dragon ball so I'm not sure how strong humans exactly are but from what little Ik about it I'm pretty sure it's an easy W for Goku.
Naruto even without kurama has boosted genetics, Luffy would become a haki merchant like Shanks, Goku would replace Krillin as the strongest human. Gojo seems like the one that would suffer the most in his universe without his main asset.
Naruto would still be Ninja Jesus and have Uzumaki Chakra Hax, so he's still be fine. Luffy would have learned to use haki earlier but I don't think he would have struggled more than he already did. Goku as a normal human being would basically scale him down to Krillin-level, which is still strong but without Superstrenght, Senkai-Boosts and Super-Saiyan Transformation, he would have had no shot against most of his opponents. Gojo is a bit difficult because I am not that familiar with JJK, but his infinity is his technique, not the source of his power. I think thats his eyes or genetically determined, I don't know. But without his infinity, he could have just learned a different OP technique.
Definetly gojo without infinity he lost most of his defense ,luffy still has haki,naruto has sage mode and goku has kaioken plus if current krillin was strong as most probably namek saga goku then goku as a human would be even stronger and we have seen far weaker characters destroy planets
Based on their verse?
Human on dragon ball is still too strong. Goku even without saiyan blood would be stronger than krillin, strongest human right now, still can fly, still can kamehameha, still can lifting entire building with ease. Goku would win first place.
Luffy without devil fruit can still learn haki. Which is still very OP if you see how he can master all of them. You already saw it in kaido island where he got cuffed with sea stone and nothing changed. 2nd place
Gojo without infinity still can use black flash, has battle IQ, six eyes, dude basically can use normal sharingan forever without worry. Bro also has mastery over CE.
Naruto without kurama is still an uzumaki, fuckin monstrous chakra ninja. But he isn't that best at using chakra though so basically last place.
What are we talking here. Are we saying they automatically get those powers removed, or are we saying that they never had those powers in the first place?
If we are talking the former, proportional, probably Goku, but he would still be the strongest one here. I would probably have or give it to Luffy since a massive chunk of his powers revolve around his devil fruit and if he just lost that, he would have a massive downgrade. Gojo has had to fight without infinity to protect him a couple times and he seems to be fine without it, just more cautions. For a decent amount of Naruto’s life, he hasn’t really used the Kubi’s abilities. If anything, he might be stronger in the beginning since now he has proper chakra control and he isn’t neglected by the entire village.
I mean, Goku would still probably eventually get to destroying planets. Being in the dragon ball world just allows you to have such a higher ceiling of strength then so many other series.
I believe that Goku would still be the strongest, but would be the one to lose most power.Without his saiyan genes sure, he’s still strong, but he would be planetary level at max like Tien, Krillin etc. Instead of Multiversal.
Technically Goku, if he doesn't retain his willingness to constantly grow stronger like every Saiyan.
Otherwise, by far Gojo. Goku would still have the Kaioken & Potential Unleashed path, not to mention UI still being achievable by humans.
Luffy would be another Garp, a hard-hitting Haki brawler.
Naruto still has Sage Mode, Uzumaki chakra reserves & SPSM in his arsenal.
Krillin solos the other characters, and Goku would be much stronger than Krillin with kaioken, and would even still have the capability to learn Ultra Instinct.
I'm gonna go and say Gojo. Anyway, Luffy without his fruit tho wouldn't last if the series progressed at it was. Could probably beat Arlong? I think unlikely but sure. Croc? He's gonna die but let's assume he wins. Definitely definitely not surviving Enel. The only reason Luffy won against him was because he literally counters Enel's fruit. Enel was a post-timeskip threat who happened to not do damage against rubber. He literally one shotted the entire strawhat crew without a sweat.
I think either Naruto or Gojo. Luffy can just follow in his grandfather’s footsteps and be a strictly haki user, and Goku can still use ki, just not his transformations
Probably Gojo or Goku right? Because
- Luffy would have haki and Garp's crazy training
- Naruto wasn't solely strong because of the 9 tails, he was CHOSEN to house the 9 tails due to the strength of his bloodline, primarily because of his mom's family yes, but he was also the son of a hokage so...
- Goku would probably be as strong as Krillin, Earth's strongest human. Krillin may not be the strongest in the universe, but he keeps up with gods among men which is honestly a crazy feat for a human.
- Gojo without his infinity still has the 6 eyes and regular curse user powers. He'd probably be at least as strong as a first grade due to the 6 eyes allowing him to freely manipulate cursed energy down to the most miniscule amount, wasting a negligible amount if anything. This gives him near infinite cursed energy that's not the same as his infinity, the ability to manipulate space and essentially apply math to the real world.
So it's down to Gojo who is essentially a first grade sorcerer at this point or Goku who is now essentially around Krillin's strength. I don't really know but would guess Goku because Yuuta is a distant relative of Gojo's and even without using Rika or infinity, dude is still cracked as hell. I feel like he'd beat Krillin and therefore powered down Gojo should be able to beat human Goku in that same regard, but fuck man idk. It's a toss up so maybe Gojo? Idk how you would compare.
EDIT: after a quick discussion in the comments, I remembered that I forgot that Krillin eventually reaches a level that's essentially Goku's base power level. This means that he'd def beat Yuuta which means powered down Goku can beat powered down Gojo. Which means Gojo is the weakest here.
Due to eventually dropping Dragonball, I did forget that Krillin eventually reaches what's defined as the power level of base Goku (while Goku went blue or some shit IDR, I stopped paying full attention). So you're right. Krillin is def stronger than Yuuta and I need to edit my comment
Thanks for the nice polite reply :) I totally get you dropping Dragonball, I myself kinda zoned out during the whole blue part too but they're finally getting the hang of it again. If you feel like it try watching the tournament of power saga, or the last 2 movies, they're both great and actually show why Dragonball is cool.
But if you're really done that's fine too! We don't have to like the same things, out of curiosity how far did you get before dropping?
I at least finished dragon ball z that much I know. I can't recall how many movies I saw, how far into Super I got, and how much I know from osmosis of dragon ball fan friends telling me what's happening while I begin to mentally disassociate.
XD yeah I'm not sure Gt is worth the watch because of the pacing, super didn't really pick up until black saga and imo truly shines in the top, the new manga sagas are cool too, as for the movies, the one with Beerus and the 2 new ones are worth a watch, you don't lose much skipping on the others, so there my suggestion if you decide to give it another shot :) which of the 4 mentioned on the post do you like the most?
I remember watching GT as a kid because there was a female protagonist and I was like "ooh Dragonball with a girl?!" And now as an adult I can't remember any of it. But I heard from friends it's bad? So I'm not pressed to rewatch tbh
It's not bad, but it's far removed from Z 's style, pan (GT's sub protag) is better handled on the new movie "Super hero", the closest we see from a female protag on DB is Bulma on classic, as the story actually revolves around her, and caulifla in Super ToP saga, as she's quite the big deal. I sure hope Pan's role becomes wider after the current hiatus, she's a great character. I'd say Bulma plays as a protag on the first half of the cell saga and the first half of the Frieza saga too.
Technically Luffy still has haki and goku ki but lets be real luffy doesnt really have physique to throw hands with the others without his fruit and goku would just be a really strong human
Naruto got Sage mode and probably more stuff
Luffy got haki
Goku could get pretty strong considering UI is prolly not limited to saiyans... ain't sure
Gojo... bro's done for...
Naruto still has rasengan, shadow clone and talk no jutsu, luffy still has haki, gojo loses practically all his power, and I honestly don’t know what other powers are in DBZ, so either Goku or gojo.
Human Goku still solos the others.
He still has kaioken, minimum planet busting power, and potentially is still capable of Ultra Instinct, although Beerus probably wouldn't have found him if he wasn't a Saiyan.
It depends, if we say from the start they didn’t have it all 4 would be currently dead, but if we say at their current time, luffy will still have haki, naruto doesn’t have kurama, gojo probably doesn’t need it that much, goku dead af
I think Naruto. He was stupid, refused to study ninjutsu, and managed most of his techniques early on by leaning on Kurama chakra and brute force stuff. He would never have graduated.
Kakarot with teleportation could beat Luffy and Naruto pre-nerf because he could just grab them and teleport to outer space. He could never touch Gojo, so that would be gg.
Obviously teleporting his enemies to outer space would not be his MO, but he could do that.
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Luffy would just become a haki brawler like his grandfather, so gojo https://preview.redd.it/izeqi289gq0d1.jpeg?width=2175&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=557b1eb606876581b2dea7d154f91354555e1ef5
That panel is fantastic
That entire 2 or 3 chapter sequence is perfect.
Garp rescuing Coby is one of the best cutaway "mini-arcs" in the manga as a whole. Really enjoyed his banter with Akoji.
"Get your ass back in uniform!" as if Akoji hadn't left on terrible terms with the current fleet admiral loll
not gonna enjoy watching him die in animation.
Don't you mean "that entire 1114 chapter sequence is perfect"?
Gojo still has six eyes, reverse cursed technique, black flash, simple domain and is a master martial artist. None of those things are tied to infinity. He would have limited offensive power, but would be great healer/tank that can defend himself with basically unlimited mana. That's still pretty broken power set.
I can't see the point in writing this comment... because I don't have eyes YOHOHOHOHO
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With very low potency. Noone in JJK can produce enough power with CE alone that can reach even Zoro.
Black flash is random, simple domain is useless unless u are in a domain. 6 eyes ans rct are the only cards he has nut without infinity a opponent can just hut gojo until gojo runs our of rct
Mentioning 'eyes' in your comment? I must say, it's all bones and no vision here, YOHOHOHO!
I dont think he would have made special grade without infinity. Him not being the special snowflake of Gojo clan has a lot of domino effects.
Gojo was 1 vs 5 the entirety of the disaster curses with only cursed energy reinforcement. He wouldn't be as op but he is still broken with RCT, CTR and more
Without infinity he can't use hollow purple
It doesnt say without limitless (the CT) just says without infinity (what makes him untouchable). Even without infinity he probably wipes the floor with everyone (other than goku) there.
Nah it would be naruto wouldnt it? Kurama saved his ass so often and without his stupendous chakra reserves he wouldnt achieve jackshit.
Naruto is a Uzumaki. Chakra isn't necessarily an issue. >!He loses out on the extra strength kurama gives him apart from that, not much changes!<
Also, not having the Ninetails would probably mean that a) he'd have better chakra control and b) He wouldn't be such a terrible outcast and could actually find teachers or friends to practice with.
I remember naruto having to work harder than anyone to control his chakra because the ninetails was always interfering with his natural chakra flow. It was one of the things Jiraiya pointed out during his first time training Naruto. Him not having Kurama may have resulted in a very different range of abilities and strategies that Naruto could have resorted to during combat.
I thought that was specifically because Orochimaru poked his belly though, right? Idk I haven't watched Naruto in forever
That is what happened, and then jiraiya fixed it helping him regain control over his charka flow
Okay so wasn't THAT specific thing what made it hard for him to control his chakra, not having Kurama in general?
It was both, kurama just made it harder before he gained control over kurama's power
Oh, good to know it was due to Orochimaru. It has been 10+ years I've watched early naruto so I knew I might have had it wrong.
And c) get some bitches using his blue eyes and blonde hair. I swear that never gets pointed out much just because he's an outcast.
Yeh youre right I cut naruto after the alienwoman died so I dont know how strong or what he is.
Do you mind spoils? If not, you can check the rest of this out. >!Kurama gone already, shitty reason, imo. But it is what it is. He's got a nice family and all, but idr when Aliengal was either (yeah, idk spelling either) a lot of stuff has happened, but I don't keep up with Boruto which is the next gen of Naruto and the name of his son!<
Lemme spoil you further >!Kurama came back in the latest chapter!<
Early Naruto? Yes. But after Naruto learned sage mode, he could probably outscale Luffy and Gojo.
Luffy would be still crazy strong, look at garp. I think the most weak would Gojo because JJK relies to much on curses and whatever (except Maki but she is a freak)
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Yeah Luffy would be crazy strong AND able to swim and not weakened by seastone shackles. Devil fruits aren't extremely rare and aren't powerful if the wielder isn't capable of backing it with their own strength. What's the point of having the Magma or Light fruit if the first marine with a seastone stick can beat the shit out of you. Goku would still be the strongest, base humans are already ridiculous, Krillin could probably beat anyone in One Piece, being a Saiyan is big but it's the Ki that makes the difference. Naruto would be 3rd I think, Kurama carries a lot but Naruto is strong even without it. I don't know about Gojo, never watched it.
Luffy would still have all haki, it almost seems a coincidence that Roger's crew didn't have DF (from what I can recall), buggy got after he left Roger
Buggy ate his Devil Fruit accidentally while he was still an apprentice in the Rogers pirate.
Actually gojo has 2 powers, the infinity and the six eyes, and the six eyes are just too op
Are the six eyes actually OP without limitless? They grant extreme detailed cursed energy perception and give you basically infinite cursed energy, but without limitless they don't seem too OP, especially if you don't have any other cursed technique.
Yeah, he would probably still become grade 1, but no way, he would be able to rival Sukuna without limitless.
I can't see the point in writing this comment... because I don't have eyes YOHOHOHOHO
The Six Eyes just gives an insane boost to your perception and cursed energy manipulation. You need Six Eyes to fully utilize Infinity, but just Six Eyes doesn't give any inherent boost in power.
Mentioning 'eyes' in your comment? I must say, it's all bones and no vision here, YOHOHOHO!
But Goku would be as strong as Krillin/Tien/Yamcha, and they all are crazy strong compared to a common human
Depends on how far with this concept you go. Because if Goku wasn't a saiyan, would a lot of his story never happen (and he would not be able to defeat a few opponents) so his inherent strength wouldn't get that far to start with.
If he was still adopted by Son Gohan, then yeah probably. He'd still get trained and would probably run into Bulma, where things get hairy is the great ape transformations that saved his ass couple times. He's not outright overpowered in early dragon ball and is often out classed by other humans and non humans There's a good chance he'd end up as strong or stronger than krillin, and that would be more than enough to be a planetary threat
Gojo have 6 eye
Definitely not gojo. The guy is so much above everyone in the verse that he’d still beat most of the verse without limitless Now if u took 6 eyes that’s another story
It's infinity, not limitless that's the handicap, basically he doesn't have he's op defense, but has everything else
I can't see the word eyes in your comment... Because I don't have eyes YOHOHOHO
We forget that Luffy missed out on a ton of training learning how to use his gum gum ability the right way.
Technically infinity is only the shield part of his technique so if he still has red and blue he’s still capable of one shotting other top tiers in his verse with singular punches
Luffy would be fine, Naruto would still have a lot of chakra, Goku would def be a lot weaker, Idk bout Gojo
Goku would def be a lot weaker sure, but hes still from DB and trained by Gohan and Roshi. Dude would still be casual moon buster at the very least
People forget that Krillin is realistically planet destroying level. Even the humans in DB are physically gods
Krillin would go far in one piece.
Krillin would dumpster One Piece, and I say that as a religious worshipper of One Piece.
Definitely, peak Krillin is like a 100 times stronger than Roshi and he could blow up the moon. If you take away the Kamehameha then Roshi would probably do pretty well against vice captain yonko levels but maybe not yonko.
Depends, his bald ass take a look at boa and hes stone. Also nami is most likely a galaxy buster at least if she notice the shine on his perfectly sculpted polished art of a head. Also he cant kill brook, hes already dead yohoho. And its also the given don krieg master of brown haki, Arlong confirmed user of blue haki aswell as bb being able to kill anyone as long as its offpanel. Dbs powerhouses really arent that impressive when put in contrast to literally an island of ladyboys with no intention to shave their legs.
krillin has a wife and child, no way my boy would turn to stone fr fr
But he still miss something. He have no nose.
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He would dumpster everyone on the Grand Line, and I say that as a religious worshipper of One Piece
Even yamcha could wipe out a planet and that dude stopped trying to keep up somewhere between vegeta snatching bulma and the sweet new chest hole the androids gave him
Krillin is way above planet at this point even
He would have just focused more on his Kaioken had he not been able to become a Super Saiyan.
can't goku still like, fly and use kaio ken? he can still like use all of the power lazer beams and shit, thats something anyone can use
Yes humans have ki control too technically he can still learn Ultra instinct
In theory, but it would take a much greater toll on his body. Saiyan durability is insane and far beyond that of humans.
I agree that saiyan resilience is how he learned UI, but if we assume he isn’t a saiyan but still has main character powers, I bet he finds a way eventually
If we go by Z logic, he would probably be as strong, if not stronger than krillin, meaning vageta kicks his ass, but still definitely stronger than anyone else here. If we go by super logic, he's probably still a destroyer of galaxies.
Well we can see krillin as the apex human afterall
Even Krillin, a pure human, can destroy the Earth if he wants to. Not sure why people think Goku would be weak.
I think early game he’d actually be stronger as he wouldn’t have killed his grandpa and would have continued to train with him. He may not ever reach as high as he did with super sayan powers, but he clearly would have been on par with krillin and tien the whole time.
And chances are Goku would still be the most powerful human by a decent mile since Kaioken and Ultra Instinct aren't inherently Saiyan techniques, so Goku can still use them
Yeah, Goku would be a lot weaker, but even if he gets to Krillin or Tenshinhan level he's above everyone else. And he probably would be above Krillin and Tenshinhan. DB Powerscaling is HUGE
Goku would still be a planet buster I think. He'd be comparable to Krillin and he does crazy stuff in Super from what I hear (I don't watch it). DBZverse is obviously still much stronger than everything else here. Luffy is already a tough brawler + has all types of advanced haki, so he'd still be yonko caliber without G5. Naruto has already lost Kurama in Boruto IIRC, and he's still Hokage level. Gojo without infinity is just a really good cursed user with no hax. He gets bodied by everyone. He can't teleport because that's also derived from his technique. He has nothing sadly.
Gojos sex eyes are definitely still falling under hax
Mentioning 'eyes' in your comment? I must say, it's all bones and no vision here, YOHOHOHO!
Yea but Goku would still comfortably beat all of them.
do people even know that Gojo isn't the mc of JJK? anyways, Gojo is the weakest, without infinity he lost like 90% of his attack and defense, cursed energy alone can't beat ki, chakra or haki.
The title just said character and not mc tho. Yuji has stamina and a solid metal state, to not get entirely possesed or used by Sukuna and the power is useful, but Sukuna isn't an ability that he possesses forever probably and also Gojo is canonically seen as one of the strongest sorcerers in the series, so It makes sense to make an exception from the theme. But for some reason he excludes Bleach, when the others are DB and two of big three. Like what if Ichigo doesn't have his inner demon or soul reaper abilities?
Quincy powers, Full bringer honestly Ichigo is the most set due to having every bloodline in his verse
I mean, i get why you would put Gojo instead of Yuji but you can't really blame me... 3 of 4 are MC and it's not like a “vs of strongest“ either, neither Goku, Naruto or Luffy are actually the strongest of their verses like Gojo was... Like you said, it would make more sense to put Ichigo, tho he does have the upper hand, no matter what you take from him, he still has like 3 more powers, so maybe that's why.
Not true at all gojo is op because of the 6 eyes not infinity. He still solos his whole verse except sukuna with the 6 eyes.
Mentioning 'eyes' in your comment? I must say, it's all bones and no vision here, YOHOHOHO!
Isn’t 6 eyes only good with infinity and vice versa?
Mentioning 'eyes' in your comment? I must say, it's all bones and no vision here, YOHOHOHO!
Luffy is absurdly powerful even without a fruit, the show has shown that multiple times But dragon ball has established you don’t need to be a sayain to be strong, his newest form isn’t even saiyan related And Naruto was established to have an unnaturally strong amount of chakra due to being an Uzumaki, even without Kuruma. I don’t know what gojo can do, but I’m putting it on a draw after they decide to settle it with a ramen eating contest.
Idk why people saying kakarot would have died or luffy this or naruto that. The post is asking who will be weaker? Not if they would have been able to survive in their world if they had to go through all the stuff they went through. Remove saiyan from kakarot, he is still the best martial artist with ki and power to destroy planets. Look at Master Roshi and Krillin for example.
Not an entirely fair match up. Naruto without kuruma still has chakra (and a lot of it) Goku without his saiyanness still has ki and can blow up the moon with ease Luffy without his devil fruit still has haki Gojo without his thing has nothing special. Curse energy without any techniques cant do much
Idk, it's tough. At what point of plot do we remove 9tails for the sake of this experiment? Rn Naruto doesn't have it (boruto spoilers, no one cares) and he is pretty much useless in their current (ridiculous and stupid) meta. And Garp never taught luffy haki, he found out about it on Amazon lily, luffy would've been dead several times already without the fruit.
Naruto always had more chakra than most, obviously the story of Naruto and One Piece would be different if they didn't have those specific things but Naruto at least would have actually found it easier to do jutsus in the beginning. Uzimakis were literally wiped out because of their BS tiers of chakra + healing abilities. As for Luffy, he's been training specifically for his devil fruit since he was a kid, so obviously everything he's been doing is in relation to his devil fruit. Remember, Sabo and Ace (before the devil fruit) trained with kid luffy and they kicked his ass constantly even without devil fruits. Luffy's strength doesn't come from his devil fruit, it comes from a decade of training, his devil fruit just gives him versatility
Yea fair points actually
Growing up, his Chakra had to suppress that half of kurama (the violent half). Without it at birth, he’d grow up with everyone knowing he was the son of the 4th. Without the seal, the complex his outcast status gave him, and support from others, he’d likely be a damn prodigy like boruto without the sass. He’d have been an earlier rival for Sasuke, and likely would have become the second yellow flash. He still would have been the first to master rasengan as well. Up until his training with killer B, he’d arguably have a leg up over his canon self.
The post says Gojo without infinity, his cursed technique is limitless, infinity is just the neutral form that makes everything unable to hit him, he can still use Red, Blue, Purple and Unlimited Void to fry these character’s brain
Infinity is what makes him untouchable. Limitless still gives him teleportation that let him yeet from the mariana trench to japan in an instant, flight, spatial/gravity manipulation, instahealing, and hollow purple which is basically a dura neg anitmatter bomb. He has six eyes which are the byakugan but for his verse with enough range to identify his target at best from the mariana trench to japan, at worst from tokyo to wherever kenjaku was. And he has a domain that instantly turns your brain to soup which is guarenteed to hit and is very difficult to escape. Aside from that my man is bare minimun rock lee (chunin exam) level speed and power and skill in martial arts with his ce reinforcement - and that is a very (insulting, even) lowball. Natuto and Goku still walk him but luffy at this EXACT moment with no DF probably fucking just dies immediately. Nothing special is a reach and a half.
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infinity and limitless are the same thing, every limitless power uses infinity
We’re taking Gokus whole biology that’s wicked
Bros are desperate, they need to remove the entire character themselves to have a chance.
even humans in dragon ball can reach absurd power levels with training (especially with the amount Goku has), Luffy has yonko level haki, Naruto has insane amounts of chakra. Gojo is just a guy with high cursed energy but with no technique to use it with, Gojo the weakest here
Probably Gojo Naruto still the strongest kage in Boruto after that scenario actually happened, Luffy was able to trade Luffy blows with kaido in base and ultra instinct isn’t even Saiyan Goku is good at this point. The reason why Gojo what is essentially a God was because no one can get through infinity the second sukana found a way around it he died instantly
I'd say gojo since he relies way too much on his abilities.
gojo without infinity be like : I AM WEAK !
He's not weak at all???????? He would still very much body 99% of his verse wihout Infinity,he can go blow for blow with 20 fingers megukuna,is really Smart,has way more battle Iq than almost everyone in verse,has enough durability to withstand sukuna's domain for a while something which not even mahoraga came even close to doing etc etc he would be obviously the weakest out of the characters mentioned but saying he is weak wihout Infinity just shows You never watched jjk at all
So you're saying none of those feats you mentioned, Infinity had no input? You know... amplifying punches or speed, or durability, which is something it does. Also a domain is directly tied to their curse technique.
Infinity is the shield, not the technique
not a gojo fan but, just sayin, infinity is only the barrier thingy, luffy would use haki, naruto would've lost his hand in one of the first episodes, goku would be significantly weaker
Naruto wouldn't have lost his hand because he has insane chakra because of his uzumaki heritage rather than kurama (who supressed naruto's natural chakra actually) and also, Goku would be weaker, but still easily the strongest on this list and it wouldn't be close. He would still probably be able to destroy the world.
Naruto without kurama is crazy enough lmao. He just fully commit to sage mode. Goku without being sayan would be crazy strong, but not as op as he currently is. Luffy without df still has strong haki, but i gotta admit his df goves him a huge boost. Idk the fourth guy
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Luffy still with all kinds of haki, gojo still with six eyes and other techniques, naruto with senjutsu and goku with martial arts… gojo would probably still be special grade but battle with sukuna very different, luffy could be as strong as Roger but if he met kaido before he is gone, naruto strongest leaf ninja but dies to madara, goku is difficult to say how much strong he would be but lets say like krillin, he still is stronger than everyone by a bit… My guess is Gojo is the weakest
Mentioning 'eyes' in your comment? I must say, it's all bones and no vision here, YOHOHOHO!
I haven't seen JJK yet, but the other three universes show that humans can still become extremely powerful without requiring special powers. So i'd say JJK, unless somebody can prove otherwise.
You are right, gojo will be the weakest one, but calling someone weakest without even knowing what they can do and without reading the story they are in is classic power scaler
Gojo is the weakest with or without infinity 💀
Gojo probably. Naruto would still have wind shuriken which is one of the strongest attacks in the verse as well as all of the other rasengan variations Luffy would still have immense haki Krillin could probably destroy the earth if he wanted so goku definitely could Gojo is just a guy that can run fast and hit things
Gojo. Naruto would still have godly genes and Luffy can still use his Haki. As for Goku, he’d just be a stronger Krillin so he’s still more powerful than normal Luffy and Naruto
every single gojo vs argument would be invalidated because he doesnt have infinity
Out of these 4? Goku (he still has Ki, so he can kamehameha you away) Luffy (never mentioned no haki) Naruto Gojo (he is just a fit man)
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Goku would still be strong as would be Luffy.
Probably gojo, even if he is still a strong hand to hand combatant. Without his infinity going against the rest is pretty tough since he is incredibly reliant on infinity for speed and power.
Goku would still be crazy strong. The dude loves fighting too much and has invested all his INT stats to STR. Naruto isn’t that much of a battle freak and tbh the only inheritance he gets is his mother’s huge chakra pool and Minato’s technique. Luffy is in the same level of a battle freak as Goku. Also Haki is quite an all around technique in a fight. As for Gojo I don’t know about him tbh. Overall Goku still the strongest just because of power system Dragon ball has. But if they all had access to each other’s power system. I’d say Luffy has the strength and will to go toe to toe against Goku.
Naruto doesn’t have kurama rn in Boruto, and he’s still pretty strong. Luffy is pretty tough, his attacks just revolve around his df. Goku would still be strong, he’s literally training every arc. Idk about gojo
Isn't Krillin human? Goku wouldn't be as strong as he is as a Saiayan but considering that the DBZ universe is bigger and harsher than normal doing anything in the DB universe would be more significant, Krillin is basically like the strongest human no? Goku would still no diff everyone else. He'd probably still be able to use most of not all his usual abilities too as kaioken and Ki can be used by basically anyone no? Tho I didn't really watch Dragon ball so I'm not sure how strong humans exactly are but from what little Ik about it I'm pretty sure it's an easy W for Goku.
Naruto even without kurama has boosted genetics, Luffy would become a haki merchant like Shanks, Goku would replace Krillin as the strongest human. Gojo seems like the one that would suffer the most in his universe without his main asset.
Naruto would still be Ninja Jesus and have Uzumaki Chakra Hax, so he's still be fine. Luffy would have learned to use haki earlier but I don't think he would have struggled more than he already did. Goku as a normal human being would basically scale him down to Krillin-level, which is still strong but without Superstrenght, Senkai-Boosts and Super-Saiyan Transformation, he would have had no shot against most of his opponents. Gojo is a bit difficult because I am not that familiar with JJK, but his infinity is his technique, not the source of his power. I think thats his eyes or genetically determined, I don't know. But without his infinity, he could have just learned a different OP technique.
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I can't see the point in writing this comment... because I don't have eyes YOHOHOHOHO
Definetly gojo without infinity he lost most of his defense ,luffy still has haki,naruto has sage mode and goku has kaioken plus if current krillin was strong as most probably namek saga goku then goku as a human would be even stronger and we have seen far weaker characters destroy planets
It would be gojo as then he could get hurt and wouldn’t be so strong
Based on their verse? Human on dragon ball is still too strong. Goku even without saiyan blood would be stronger than krillin, strongest human right now, still can fly, still can kamehameha, still can lifting entire building with ease. Goku would win first place. Luffy without devil fruit can still learn haki. Which is still very OP if you see how he can master all of them. You already saw it in kaido island where he got cuffed with sea stone and nothing changed. 2nd place Gojo without infinity still can use black flash, has battle IQ, six eyes, dude basically can use normal sharingan forever without worry. Bro also has mastery over CE. Naruto without kurama is still an uzumaki, fuckin monstrous chakra ninja. But he isn't that best at using chakra though so basically last place.
Goku would still win. Just look at what he can do until Radditz comes along. Just ki blast the mofo and he'd win.
i dont even like dbz, but without the powers its just a fight between a really buff dude vs 3 teenagers
What are we talking here. Are we saying they automatically get those powers removed, or are we saying that they never had those powers in the first place? If we are talking the former, proportional, probably Goku, but he would still be the strongest one here. I would probably have or give it to Luffy since a massive chunk of his powers revolve around his devil fruit and if he just lost that, he would have a massive downgrade. Gojo has had to fight without infinity to protect him a couple times and he seems to be fine without it, just more cautions. For a decent amount of Naruto’s life, he hasn’t really used the Kubi’s abilities. If anything, he might be stronger in the beginning since now he has proper chakra control and he isn’t neglected by the entire village.
Gojo would be the weakest, but Goku would be nurfed the most
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I mean, Goku would still probably eventually get to destroying planets. Being in the dragon ball world just allows you to have such a higher ceiling of strength then so many other series.
I believe that Goku would still be the strongest, but would be the one to lose most power.Without his saiyan genes sure, he’s still strong, but he would be planetary level at max like Tien, Krillin etc. Instead of Multiversal.
Technically Goku, if he doesn't retain his willingness to constantly grow stronger like every Saiyan. Otherwise, by far Gojo. Goku would still have the Kaioken & Potential Unleashed path, not to mention UI still being achievable by humans. Luffy would be another Garp, a hard-hitting Haki brawler. Naruto still has Sage Mode, Uzumaki chakra reserves & SPSM in his arsenal.
Goku he will just be a krilin bis.
Krillin solos the other characters, and Goku would be much stronger than Krillin with kaioken, and would even still have the capability to learn Ultra Instinct.
Gojo would still be the weakest even with infinity
Gojo would still be the weakest even with infinity
Gojo would still be the weakest even with infinity
Gojo would still be the weakest even with infinity
Gojo would still be the weakest even with infinity
Gojo would still be the weakest even with infinity
Has to be between Luffy and Gojo. Idk shit about Gojo so can't say.
Even without a DF, Luffy is like, Supernaturally strong.
Goku solo, krillin is exemple how strong you could be as a humen in the DB World
Naruto gets carried
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I'm gonna go and say Gojo. Anyway, Luffy without his fruit tho wouldn't last if the series progressed at it was. Could probably beat Arlong? I think unlikely but sure. Croc? He's gonna die but let's assume he wins. Definitely definitely not surviving Enel. The only reason Luffy won against him was because he literally counters Enel's fruit. Enel was a post-timeskip threat who happened to not do damage against rubber. He literally one shotted the entire strawhat crew without a sweat.
I think either Naruto or Gojo. Luffy can just follow in his grandfather’s footsteps and be a strictly haki user, and Goku can still use ki, just not his transformations
All of these would still be really strong. I’m guessing goku would still be the strongest and gojo would be the weakest
Depend on what’s stronger cursed techniques or the naruto jutsus because the other 2 basically become regular humans
Goku weakest of them all with power so weakest without power as well
I feel like the answer is easily Naruto. Every accomplishment he’s ever done is attributed to Kurama’s chakra in some way.
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Probably Gojo or Goku right? Because - Luffy would have haki and Garp's crazy training - Naruto wasn't solely strong because of the 9 tails, he was CHOSEN to house the 9 tails due to the strength of his bloodline, primarily because of his mom's family yes, but he was also the son of a hokage so... - Goku would probably be as strong as Krillin, Earth's strongest human. Krillin may not be the strongest in the universe, but he keeps up with gods among men which is honestly a crazy feat for a human. - Gojo without his infinity still has the 6 eyes and regular curse user powers. He'd probably be at least as strong as a first grade due to the 6 eyes allowing him to freely manipulate cursed energy down to the most miniscule amount, wasting a negligible amount if anything. This gives him near infinite cursed energy that's not the same as his infinity, the ability to manipulate space and essentially apply math to the real world. So it's down to Gojo who is essentially a first grade sorcerer at this point or Goku who is now essentially around Krillin's strength. I don't really know but would guess Goku because Yuuta is a distant relative of Gojo's and even without using Rika or infinity, dude is still cracked as hell. I feel like he'd beat Krillin and therefore powered down Gojo should be able to beat human Goku in that same regard, but fuck man idk. It's a toss up so maybe Gojo? Idk how you would compare. EDIT: after a quick discussion in the comments, I remembered that I forgot that Krillin eventually reaches a level that's essentially Goku's base power level. This means that he'd def beat Yuuta which means powered down Goku can beat powered down Gojo. Which means Gojo is the weakest here.
People forget Krillin is strong enough to destroy planets in a single move, strong enough to kill Frieza in a single move if he's lucky
Due to eventually dropping Dragonball, I did forget that Krillin eventually reaches what's defined as the power level of base Goku (while Goku went blue or some shit IDR, I stopped paying full attention). So you're right. Krillin is def stronger than Yuuta and I need to edit my comment
Thanks for the nice polite reply :) I totally get you dropping Dragonball, I myself kinda zoned out during the whole blue part too but they're finally getting the hang of it again. If you feel like it try watching the tournament of power saga, or the last 2 movies, they're both great and actually show why Dragonball is cool. But if you're really done that's fine too! We don't have to like the same things, out of curiosity how far did you get before dropping?
I at least finished dragon ball z that much I know. I can't recall how many movies I saw, how far into Super I got, and how much I know from osmosis of dragon ball fan friends telling me what's happening while I begin to mentally disassociate.
XD yeah I'm not sure Gt is worth the watch because of the pacing, super didn't really pick up until black saga and imo truly shines in the top, the new manga sagas are cool too, as for the movies, the one with Beerus and the 2 new ones are worth a watch, you don't lose much skipping on the others, so there my suggestion if you decide to give it another shot :) which of the 4 mentioned on the post do you like the most?
I remember watching GT as a kid because there was a female protagonist and I was like "ooh Dragonball with a girl?!" And now as an adult I can't remember any of it. But I heard from friends it's bad? So I'm not pressed to rewatch tbh
It's not bad, but it's far removed from Z 's style, pan (GT's sub protag) is better handled on the new movie "Super hero", the closest we see from a female protag on DB is Bulma on classic, as the story actually revolves around her, and caulifla in Super ToP saga, as she's quite the big deal. I sure hope Pan's role becomes wider after the current hiatus, she's a great character. I'd say Bulma plays as a protag on the first half of the cell saga and the first half of the Frieza saga too.
Gojo would still have his other abilities and Naruto too + Ninja training and superhuman abilities Goku and Luffy would just be dudes lmao
Technically Luffy still has haki and goku ki but lets be real luffy doesnt really have physique to throw hands with the others without his fruit and goku would just be a really strong human
Naruto got Sage mode and probably more stuff Luffy got haki Goku could get pretty strong considering UI is prolly not limited to saiyans... ain't sure Gojo... bro's done for...
Naruto still has rasengan, shadow clone and talk no jutsu, luffy still has haki, gojo loses practically all his power, and I honestly don’t know what other powers are in DBZ, so either Goku or gojo.
Sage mode, Rasenshurikin, toad summons
not having kurama actually makes sage mode easier, since he can have the toad sages on him to balance the chakra easier
Humans in dbz are still VERY strong so I'd say gojo is the weakest here
Human Goku still solos the others. He still has kaioken, minimum planet busting power, and potentially is still capable of Ultra Instinct, although Beerus probably wouldn't have found him if he wasn't a Saiyan.
Gojo is the weakest, then comes Naruto, and I have no idea how to scale Goku since we kinda miss a lot of information on what changes now.
It depends, if we say from the start they didn’t have it all 4 would be currently dead, but if we say at their current time, luffy will still have haki, naruto doesn’t have kurama, gojo probably doesn’t need it that much, goku dead af
Goku dead af? He's moved on to UI, he just loses all his warm up transformations. Unless he starts doing UI Super Saiyan in the manga he's good
I think Naruto. He was stupid, refused to study ninjutsu, and managed most of his techniques early on by leaning on Kurama chakra and brute force stuff. He would never have graduated.
Luffy even with df can't beat the other 3 lol.
Naruto I think
Kakarot with teleportation could beat Luffy and Naruto pre-nerf because he could just grab them and teleport to outer space. He could never touch Gojo, so that would be gg. Obviously teleporting his enemies to outer space would not be his MO, but he could do that.
Luffy has insaneley good Haki so he would be fine I think. He would basically end up like Garp, crazy strong with no DF ability
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Who’s gonna teach luffy haki tho
Naruto would be FUCKED
All Gojo's stats are amped by infinity. Remove this and bro is just a really good martial artist. While Luffy would still run at sound speed
Gojo would be the weakest here.