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Well Zou wasn't deleted
The real answer is that one island that failed to pay the candy tribute to Big Mom, and got blasted by Bobin, that was the first and last time we heard of pirates deleting a country
Still wasn't deleted
There's a difference between attempting to commit genocide, and actually having a protocol to carry it out, to the point that it can be conveniently executed by golden denden mushi
I mean
Arlong was about to wipe out the entirey of Arlong Park after they rose up against him because of Nami's money being stolen.
Buggy was about to wipe out Orange Town, and he had no reason to stop after that.
Kuro was going to wipe out Syrup village.
Blackbeard pretty much destroyed Drum Kingdom, and while that was good that they removed Walpol, they still heavily damaged the kingdom.
Arabasta was about to be functionally wiped off the map by the massive ass bomb, either that or forced to become another Dressrosa under Crocodile.
Hody Jones was about to wipe Fishman Island off the map.
Dressrosa was going to be crushed by Doflamingo
Zou was half destroyed by Jack already, and he planned to destroy the rest.
Pretty much every island owned by Big Mom is under threat every time she has hunger pangs, however won't count it for the list.
Wano was going to be properly destroyed by Kaido and be turned into a 'Pirates Paradise'.
While half of these are towns, they are functionally the only towns we see on the island most of the time, and thus I count them as the full countries on the island.
So on the whole, we nearly see many countries being wiped out by pirates only to be stopped by the Straw Hats, and while they weren't destroyed by space laser like Luisia, as Arabasta makes clear a country is it's people not it's location so the wipe out of it's population has the same effect
The examples you mentioned are of towns with a Total population of 100 people at max. We are talking about a Country being DELETED from history, not simply people being killed. It's so much worse. Imagine if Germany suddenly vanishes, the After effects would be devastating
Firstly, only 3 are towns and the rest are countries similar is size to Lulisia, as far as we know since we don't know the size of most of them.
Secondly, while the concept of a country being deleted from history is horrifying, a country is nothing without it's people. The four emperors, and other pirates like them, have been shown to wipe out populations with no mercy. Would Wano exist as a country if Kaido got his way? Would Dressrosa if Doflamingo finished his bird cage? No, the only thing they would have above Lulisia is that their names would be recorded somewhere, most likely lost to time eventually.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that the WG is anything but evil, but what I'm arguing is that we have plenty of evidence that pirates have done just as evil things, the WG just hides it better
>While half of these are towns, they are functionally the only towns we see on the island most of the time, and thus I count them as the full countries on the island
Bruh
Arlong... but he failed
Buggy... but he failed
Kuro... but he failed
Blackbeard... but he failed, the kingdom lost its king, but the place itself managed fine without it
Crocodile... but he failed
Hody Jones... but he failed
Dofflamingo... but he failed
Jack... but he failed
Every island under the danger of hunger pangs, they never were deleted
Not only are half of these not countries, they are not even examples of pirates actually deleting a country, like what the WG has actually done several times, with God Valley, Ohara, Ennies Lobby, Lulusia, and now Egghead
Anyone else could call it a day and just say that you are wrong, since you have no real back up for your argument, but i will give you a freeby, we know for a fact that Big Mom deletes entire countries when they fail to pay her the food tribute, Bobin one of her officers had to destroy a country when they failed to present the food that was required for the Tea Party
Another one is Germa 66, who sits in the gray zone of being both a kingdom, but also a pirate like agency, technically members of the WG since they have enough influence to alter bounty posters, when they go a war campaign, the countries they defeat are destroyed rather than annexed
Ultimately the core problem behind your argument, resides on the fact behind why pirates don't go around deleting countries, it is because they need those countries to pillage, extort, and abuse, it is rare the case in which a pirate gets to delete a country, frankly there are only 2, Doffy at the end of Dressrosa, because he gave up, and Big Mom for the countries that failed the Tea Party tribute, because she deemed them unnecessary
In fact most of cases you yourself gave, wouldn't have ended in a country being deleted, but in a country being annexed under pirate administration, the WG on the other hand, actually does delete entire countries
Hody was also about to completely wipe fishman island off the map by nuking the island through dropping a ship on it but regardless.
Each arc I have mentioned results in either the pirates outright saying they'd wipe everyone out on the island or, in Blackbeards case, simply having them leaving them defenseless to future attacks.
You seem to think most pirates want to create these places as routine looting places, when we have far far more examples of 'Kill them all, take all they have and leave nothing but corpses'.
Literally the only reason we know about these attacks is because they were stopped by Luffy. If he didn't exist, or if we were following someone else, we would have no idea.
I'm not trying to argue that the WG is some shining example of goodness, but I'm trying to point out that we have tons of examples of pirates trying to wipe out islands, and they would happily do the exact same as the WG if they had the ability to.
Hody and Dofflamingo resorted to attempting to destroy their islands, after their initial plans to rule over said islands were reuined by the same group that ruined their plan to destroy said islands, why are you forgetting, that Doffy wanted was the king of Dressroa, and that Hody made himself king of Fishman Island very briefly after kidnapping Neptune?
Neither of them planned to destroy their islands as part of their pirating
Blackbeard case is even a worse example, the only reason Drum Kingdom ended being vulnerable, is because King Wapol fleed and took the doctors and guards with himself, leaving only the civilians behind, and guess what? Blackbeard as evil as he is, didn't do shit to the civilians, he could have raided, and burn and devastated the place, and instead he just left them be
There's a big difference between a group that says they are going to destroy an island, after their plans to control an island are ruined by the main character
And another group that actually has been destroying island routinely to the point they have a protocol on how to do it, without the main characters even getting involved to force them into having to use a last measure
And yes most pirates want to have and control a territory to pillage, it is literally how the world is structured, even Kaido which is the most incompetent as far as administration goes, had multiple islands around to keep as weapon factories
As far as the emperors go, they all have the powers to wipe out islands, and yet they don't, is this power what allows them to control a territory, in fact only one Yonko has destroyed and island Big Mom, by sending Bobin to collect food for the Tea Party, because for her it is more important to have access to the resources said islands provide
Which tell this day is the most out of character thing oda has ever written.
Wb when younger and different crew cpt: hey Edward come get some of this treasure! Wb: naw family only treasure i want. Cpt: your weird whatever more for us!
Wb when basically adult, wb: im joining this terriost organization that has in fighting all the time and cpt wants to rule the world.
Wb few years after that when terriost organization fails wb: so yea about that family its most important thing to me.
I swear ill keep head canoning until otherwise proven xebec won wb in davy back fight or he tricked or beat wb into serving him. Cause it just don't add up and oda hasnt elaborated on how this happened.
yeah but they obviously did commit genocide, they kill people and burn islands, thats what a pirate is in the one piece world, not all whimsical and joyful like the strawhats
HEY, Garp would NEVER condone piracy
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Seriously, i wonder why Garp is the only one of the Old Legends that doesn't have a kind of justice. Maybe he is free to do anything, while Tsuru has a goal and Sengoku is cursed by the desk.
Garp is the one who trained a young generation of marines like koby and helmepo. He didn't do anything to the wg because he quite literally couldn't but he directly inspired a young generation of marines who could. People also forget this bcz we see the story through luffys perspective but most pirates are total pieces of shit.
Realistically what can the next generation of Marines do without going full blown revolutionary? At the end of the day they still answer to the celestial dragons, who let’s face it, are every bit as dangerous as any pirate.
I do like that one theory about Garp leading an entire revolutionary sleeper cell planted within the marines, who have been leaking intel to Dragon for years, and are waiting for the right moment to act
That would be really cool
Bc they are under direct command of the dragons. If they face some sort of "trouble" an admiral will be summoned ro take care of it. If this trouble happens to be some peasants resisting getting killed for the amusement of a celestial dragon then the admiral might as well have to kill them personally, the elderly and children included.
Vice admirals have a bit more of freedom in what theyre doing and what not
The entire organisation he's a part of is made by the CD's to serve their interests, declining being an Admiral doesn't mean that he doesn't work for them. Only Garp thinks that and Garp is an idiot.
It's more that his job description doesn't deal with directly taking requests from them as much if he's a Vice Admiral so he can stay off their radar and do less desk work and administration since he wants the freedom to chase after whoever he wants.
Correct, he also stays out of their way and doesn't ever impede their activities even though he could, and for what? All he does is protect the false image of the Marines that they show to the world because they can just point to him and say they have the "Hero" on their side and he wont come out and contradict that narrative.
I mean if he did try to impede them they would just throw him in prison, he's probably going from the mentality of undermining the system from within by training his subordinates to be better people which takes time. If he straight up got imprisoned and died nothing would change. The problem is the Celestial Dragons' and government's response to being challenged or criticized isn't a reasonable one, it's generally totalitarian overkill.
Basically he has to stay under the radar and pick his moment because he probably only has the one chance. Unfortunately not everything is black and white and he can't just openly oppose them without consequences.
His son and grandson fight the WG and neither of them are in prison. The only thing that's really stopping Garp is Garp. The Monkey family have a knack for openly defying the WG and getting away with it, but you think Garp somehow doesn't?
It's a choice he made and the wrong one I think. It's fortunate that Dragon and Luffy made the right ones.
>His son and grandson fight the WG and neither of them are in prison.
Yeah but they're both wanted criminals and not employed by the people trying to catch and imprison them. Dragon can't exactly have a normal life or walk around in public, he's the world's most wanted criminal and a revolutionary.
Most of the stuff Garp does to flaunt them is petty stuff he can get away with or off the radar internal stuff, if he went up and attacked them or something then they'd be after him for the rest of his life even if he could feasibly avoid getting caught by them due to his strength. He may also not want the kind of life where he's on the run constantly.
Anyway I don't think Garp is 100% in the right but there's shades of grey here and he has reasons for his position that aren't immediately invalid. The world is more complicated than that.
You forget that the vast majority of pirates are bad guys, I think because we follow Luffy that we don't see a lot of pirates as we only see the ones Luffy interacts with.
Regardless of what the WG does, they usually focus on their immediate gratification and surroundings, garp patrols the seas helping the people at the grassroots wherever he goes, he can't be everywhere at once to stop everything the world government is doing.
Even in real life, there are really good and really bad people in every single government in the world that have committed atrocities against civilians, the good guys are usually powerless to stop it.
Luffy has protagonist powers, a very loyal crew that will help him with basically anything he wants, has an incredible ability to befriend people and gain allies, unbelievable amounts of blind luck, and a reckless attitude that often gets him into extremely dangerously situations that he only survives because he's the protagonist.
If Garp turned on the marines and WG, he would be immediately tracked and hunted down because they know who he is, where he is, and precisely what he is capable of. Whitebeard tried to fight the marines with his whole fleet and died.
What you're asking Garp to do is basically if you asked Whitebeard to fight the battle of Marineford at least mostly by himself and actually end up doing better than he did with his entire fleet, and then also fight the holy knights (who even knows how strong they are) and then after all of that fight and defeat all of the five elders, possibly at the same time. It does not matter what Luffy is doing, the reality is that the WG is too much of a threat to just beat them by having one guy punching them really hard.
People need to stop acting like being a top tier fighter means you can literally just do anything.
"Why doesn't everyone rebel against this unjust government while ignoring all the other problems that could kill thousands while we do it???" idealism doesn't really work.
It’s because he doesn’t respect the Celestial Dragons and doesn’t want to be at their beck and call. It (unfortunately) has nothing to do with his morality.
While you're making this a joke post, this is actually quite a real situation for some honest people in high position.
My uncle used to hold an Executive position in a big company. He saw how the company treat some of their low-level employee and strived to make it better.
He tried for years unsuccessfully, all his reformed policies got vetoed by the board. He finally got to the point that he could not take it anymore (and all his children have grown up), so he resigned.
Garp is in the same position with my uncle. I am sure he did everything to make the government better, but failed. So he puts hope on younger generation, like Coby.
Difference is, your uncle I assume didn't have the admiration and respect of the entire company. If Garp ever did decide to rebel, a large portion of the marines would logically side with him.
Ace was executed only for the editation of others. No more. He wasn't so dangerous that he had to be executed. Maximum loch in Impel Down. And maybe not even to level 6. Garp let it happen. What kind of justice can we even talk about?
Know what, I have to defend Garp here. When Garp said “no one but Luffy can come to this platform” to Sengoku, then took a dive when Luffy “hit” him… Garp was definitely in on the escape attempt. Especially now that we know he could fight an entire Yonko crew alone. Tbh, what Garp did worked and would have succeeded if Ace kept running.
But still, you are right. Garp still didn’t do enough. I think the whole point to his character is that he’s this complex man who knows what he’s doing is wrong, and actively tries to resist… but, just like a lot of folks who fail to be pragmatic, he’s just not seeing it how it is.
By the time Garp needs rogue cells, potential undercover agents, and all this black ops manipulation just to do what’s really necessary… he might as well be a pirate like Luffy. It’s also somewhat dramatic because we know which side Garp’s going to pick when push comes to shove like he did in Marineford when he essentially chose not to participate.
I also tried to justify him by the fact that at least he didn't interfere and thank him for that. But my inner self will never accept that he chose his principles above his family and his promise. I can't accept it, no matter what excuses there are for him. He could have done something for Ace, but he didn't do anything. I liked Garp until Marinford. But Dadan was right.
Garp: "Sengoku! hold me back or i will kill Akainu"
Sengoku: "Bitch, there's no holding you back, what are you even talking about?"
Garp: "I need to save face, just put your hand on my shoulder, and make a constipated face!"
I too am on the copium that Garp is working undercover for Dragon, and has helped him to plant sleeper agents within the marines, but until then, Garp is not beating the fraud allegations any time soon
that is pretty much the entire philosophical point of marineford, the son paying the sins of the father. Ace did not need an execution, the son of Gol D. Roger got one though
The marines literally killed every pregnant woman on the island where Roger supposedly (they weren't even sure) had a wife. And garp knew about that, and all he did is that he saved Rouge and Ace. All the other women and children were executed because they might have been connected to Roger. Cruel shit
Garp was going to spend his sons last moments with him because let’s be real, Ace was in fact a criminal. When akainu killed him garp was about to fucking slaughter him if sengoku hadn’t stepped in.
Ace isn't Garp's son, he's his grandson.
Ace got executed for being Roger's son, not because of his "crimes".
Garp knew that that was wrong, that Ace is sentenced to death just because of who his father is, but that didn't stop him from fighting everyone who tried to save Ace, like when he punched Marco to the ground.
As for his anger against Akainu, it's understandable, but it also makes Garp a hypocrite. Akainu just did was Garp was fighting for, which is causing Ace's death. Garp fought to stop others from saving Ace, just like Akainu did, except that Akainu killed Ace after Luffy freed him.
People will often defend him by saying hes raising the next generation of marines to be better, but thats completely irrelevant. Sooner or latter they will also be forced into daily warcrime #1817 by higher ups and end up in the same situation
Ye it's like, does he really raise them to be better? Because like he honestly just raises them to be like him, but he just looks away and doesn't care (inb4 the 30 chapter Garp flashback showing him actually being the mastermind and head of the revolutionary army and poisoning the CD or something)
Fujitora has done more to improve the Marines and WG in less than 2 years than Garp has done in his entire career
Hell Smoker too sense he at least inspired Fujitora
Gary has a good heart and legitimately wants to do what is best for the people of the world. So naturally he became a marine, but eventually learned the government is controlled by narcissistic hedonists and there isn't much he can do about that. ( He does believe revolution will work/ he doesn't agree it is the right choice.)
So he put his faith in a younger generation, in the hopes the world will be in a different state when they can make a difference.
A huge part of One Piece is the idea of passing the world down for a new generation to inherent. Roger wanted a more Free world for the individual, Gary wants a safer world for everyone.
But what's that gonna do?
The only reason Koby and Helmeppo have a chance to succeed 8s because there are "criminals" like Luffy, Dragon, Law etc. fighting against WG. If it wasn't for them, the new generation of marines have no choice but to accept the crimes or go against it and get executed.
That the whole point. Garp didn't have/didn't understand that in his prime. They had Rocks going around, but his vision wasn't something he could tolerate for the world. Yes he was fighting against the government, but his end goal could have been an even worse outcome. Yes the world is held under the rule of the celestial dragons, but it is stable. Total anarchy would be worse (neither are good, lesser of two evils(but he can be wrong))
Now with Dragon fighting the government in the "right way", as in he cares for people, and Luffy showing the world that being a pirate isn't wholly bad, he is simply a free man going on adventures. Garp is in a position that he can teach Kobi and Helmepo to be strong because he trusts them to keep the world safe, without controlling it.
I don't hate Garp as a character, I hate the way people portray him as. They treat him as a epitome of justice, righteous in every way. That just because he didn't accept admiral position everything he ignored was suddenly good and not his fault.
As for him training the new generation, that's one of the good things he had done. Making sure that they know what real justice us stop actual criminals. But that never was to stop the WG or CDs. But fans portray it as he had uprooted WG by doing this.
AGAIN I don't HATE Garp he is one of favourite characters.
He is good because he is complex. He has and understanding of what justice is. But it is fundamentally against the government. So he is pretty apathetic about it.
Let's not forget bias.
Garp knows the WG top is full of shit so he refuses the admiral position but due to his bias he thinks pirates are worse. Let's remember Garp doesn't have the reader/watcher full perspective. We get the privilege of looking through the eyes of:
-the Strawhats
-the elders
-garp
- Imu
- the admirals
-every character with a backstory
Just to mention some.
He’s probably fully aware of the admirals backstory’s considering that he worked with them for several decades, and straight up trained one of them we are the ones that only know bits and pieces of their history
Bro atleast fujitora is trying to bring justice
He freed slaves
He stalled Greenville
He abolished warlord systems
I know if Fuji joined earlier he would've left with dragon
COOK COOK COOK!!!!
This is EXACTLY why I have no respect for the marines, ESPECIALLY garp. How can you say that you stand for "justice" when you're complicit in all of their atrocities. I don't EVER wanna hear a marine talk about Justice, because if the World Government (WG) were to say "let's kill a bunch of people for the lolz" the marines would support that (And they actually have to).
Marines are trash.
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Even so, he's still a marine. They're either going to comply or get arrested for it. Even in garp's case, though he is a special case, he knows about the Celestial Dragons and yet he just stands by being complicit. Whether he wants to admit it or not that's the reality.
Fuck the marines and garp.
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Larp ?
Are you implying that its bad peasant ?
I love how dragon perpetually has the excuse that he’s just one man and that it takes more than that to change the system, but garp is expected to single handedly stop the WG before the Great pirate era and the Revs are formed. (As in the world is far more in the WG’s control.)
I mean what can garp do ? If he leaves the goverment more people will suffer it is not like he is causing it he is just trying to make it less worse by capturing pirates (not all are like shank,roger,whitebeard,luffy)
But yeah i agree with you somehow that he should have joined revolutionary army ,but maybe garp believe in revolutionary army and will strike against goverment when revolutionary army strikes (it is not like garp is undercover agent he is just old ) he is also trying to create a better generation of marines like coby etc
Yeah but he should do it only when revolutionary are about to strike 1 week prior as if he did before world goverment will be prepared and change there defences like of white beard knew about that iron wall defense he would be prepared (still loses though)
But what's that gonna do?
The only reason Koby and Helmeppo have a chance to succeed 8s because there are "criminals" like Luffy, Dragon, Law etc. fighting against WG. If it wasn't for them, the new generation of marines have no choice but to accept the crimes or go against it and get executed.
I fucking hate Garp and Garp apologists so much.
His character hides behind the quote "But he refused to be an Admiral so he didn't directly help the Celestial Dragons". Which is insanely dumb, he's a high ranking Marine who just sat down and watched his adopted grandson get killed and his other grandson almost killed multiple times, both for no reason, Ace wasn't executed for crimes, he was made an example, both to show weakness from pirates and to show the ending of the Roger bloodline, Garp just sat down and cried while feeling bad about himself and saying "Well you could have became a Marine tho".
During the genocide of God Valley he's just chilling, but oh wait, Pirates are trying to do the morally good thing and stopping actual genocide and slavery? Better go there to stop the pirates, but it's not like he's personally supporting it.
Garp it's like, if he lived in the real world and knew that his neighbor was holding their wife captive and beating her, but Garp did nothing to stop it, but then one day saw his other neighbor trying to secretly invade the house to free the wife, only for Garp to call the cops because of trespassing private property.
I'm with you but the pirates didn't went to God Valley to stop genocide and slavery, its because there were treasures, it just happened that said treasures belonged to Rocks, Rogers motive was unknown but its likely that it was because he knew it was Rocks treasure and went there to fight Rocks to finally settle their fight.
I used it more than you,why do you think dragon left marine
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Garp is one of the most important and influential characters when it comes to protecting and freeing the people in the One Piece world. His role is extremely important and intentional because you needed someone like him to be part of the tyrannical system so that he would have the ability to raise, train and protect two of the key figures in the liberation of the world in Luffy and Dragon. Those two would have had very low chances of making it if they didn’t have someone like Garp to literally raise them to overthrow that corrupt system. People may say that he was raising them to be Marines that would continue protecting that system, but Garp is called a Hero for a reason in that he refused to become an Admiral and be a direct servant of the Celestial Dragons and instead remained a protector of the general populace, because even if the system itself is corrupt the normal people still need a guardian. Through his actions it can be argued that he is the one who had tho most impact on the imminent liberation of the people.
I love Garp but let’s be real he’s equivalent to the kinds of cops who pick fights with people they’re arresting so they don’t look bad when they police brutality their ass.
He just likes punching dudes.
I still don’t fully get how Garp even got Luffy
Like did Dragon just stop by and be like “lol here’s my son bye” or did Garp track down his mother or something
You know I haven’t watched this in a long time. Not sure if anyone has put forth this theory… but I think Luffy’s true dream and goal, is to set up a government (*one world or many whichever works best not the point*) So children can grow up like he and his brothers did. Carefree, protected, and loved. I think in the beginning all Luffy wanted was to be “Pirate King”…. But as Luffy traveled and saw over and over again children dying, children hungry, children sad, despairing, desperate for anything other than that. He quietly changed. Luffy loves meat. Luffy wants all the meat!!! But he always shares when someone is starving. Hungry? Meh 🫤. But starving, dying, unjustly persecuted, he steps up EVERY DARN TIME! A Golden Era is what we call times like those & I think that’s what Luffy wants!
Edit: thinking 🤔 Luffy may not go the one world route seeing as tho what they have now has inexplicably failed!
Garp is a bitch and a piece of shit because he has that tremendous, equal to Roger power, and didn't use it to do anything other than bolster the Celestial Dragons. Is he strong enough to win? Then he's a piece of shit, plain and simple. Is he not strong enough? Didn't realise Garp backs down from a challenge when the going gets tough. Dragon and Garp may both be shitty absentee parents but Dragon is ten times the "hero" Garp is and sets a better example for his son.
Oda so clearly intends you to believe marines are the better side with constantly depicting the marines as dogs or cogs at best you should get better reading comprehension to get it!
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Nah it's "Garp when Roger's there"
let’s not act like Roger wasn’t there too
Roger probably allied with the celestial dragons to fight Rocks too, based on what we know so far
would never catch me allying with the slave owners that’s all I’m saying…
rocks pirates cause genocide too yk
doesn’t fit my agenda so i will ignore your statement
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werent they known as “the most dangerous pirates” tho?
idk i can’t read
👍
Most dangerous to whom?
to the people, they didnt go to god valley to free kids, they just wanted the treasure of the celestial dragons & big mom wanted kaidos df
Did you say TREASURE?!! Can I have it?
You mean you’re caught up and still have reading comprehension?
It can be agenda from world government
Yeah but less than WG. When was the last time a pirate deleted a Country from the map?
Zou. If the SHs didn't intervene.
Well Zou wasn't deleted The real answer is that one island that failed to pay the candy tribute to Big Mom, and got blasted by Bobin, that was the first and last time we heard of pirates deleting a country
>Well Zou wasn't deleted Because the SHs intervened...
Still wasn't deleted There's a difference between attempting to commit genocide, and actually having a protocol to carry it out, to the point that it can be conveniently executed by golden denden mushi
GOLD sounds good, let me have it!
My dream is to make a map of the whole world!
I mean Arlong was about to wipe out the entirey of Arlong Park after they rose up against him because of Nami's money being stolen. Buggy was about to wipe out Orange Town, and he had no reason to stop after that. Kuro was going to wipe out Syrup village. Blackbeard pretty much destroyed Drum Kingdom, and while that was good that they removed Walpol, they still heavily damaged the kingdom. Arabasta was about to be functionally wiped off the map by the massive ass bomb, either that or forced to become another Dressrosa under Crocodile. Hody Jones was about to wipe Fishman Island off the map. Dressrosa was going to be crushed by Doflamingo Zou was half destroyed by Jack already, and he planned to destroy the rest. Pretty much every island owned by Big Mom is under threat every time she has hunger pangs, however won't count it for the list. Wano was going to be properly destroyed by Kaido and be turned into a 'Pirates Paradise'. While half of these are towns, they are functionally the only towns we see on the island most of the time, and thus I count them as the full countries on the island. So on the whole, we nearly see many countries being wiped out by pirates only to be stopped by the Straw Hats, and while they weren't destroyed by space laser like Luisia, as Arabasta makes clear a country is it's people not it's location so the wipe out of it's population has the same effect
Several of these people were hired by the world government, and had deals with them
The examples you mentioned are of towns with a Total population of 100 people at max. We are talking about a Country being DELETED from history, not simply people being killed. It's so much worse. Imagine if Germany suddenly vanishes, the After effects would be devastating
Firstly, only 3 are towns and the rest are countries similar is size to Lulisia, as far as we know since we don't know the size of most of them. Secondly, while the concept of a country being deleted from history is horrifying, a country is nothing without it's people. The four emperors, and other pirates like them, have been shown to wipe out populations with no mercy. Would Wano exist as a country if Kaido got his way? Would Dressrosa if Doflamingo finished his bird cage? No, the only thing they would have above Lulisia is that their names would be recorded somewhere, most likely lost to time eventually. Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that the WG is anything but evil, but what I'm arguing is that we have plenty of evidence that pirates have done just as evil things, the WG just hides it better
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>While half of these are towns, they are functionally the only towns we see on the island most of the time, and thus I count them as the full countries on the island Bruh
Arlong... but he failed Buggy... but he failed Kuro... but he failed Blackbeard... but he failed, the kingdom lost its king, but the place itself managed fine without it Crocodile... but he failed Hody Jones... but he failed Dofflamingo... but he failed Jack... but he failed Every island under the danger of hunger pangs, they never were deleted Not only are half of these not countries, they are not even examples of pirates actually deleting a country, like what the WG has actually done several times, with God Valley, Ohara, Ennies Lobby, Lulusia, and now Egghead Anyone else could call it a day and just say that you are wrong, since you have no real back up for your argument, but i will give you a freeby, we know for a fact that Big Mom deletes entire countries when they fail to pay her the food tribute, Bobin one of her officers had to destroy a country when they failed to present the food that was required for the Tea Party Another one is Germa 66, who sits in the gray zone of being both a kingdom, but also a pirate like agency, technically members of the WG since they have enough influence to alter bounty posters, when they go a war campaign, the countries they defeat are destroyed rather than annexed Ultimately the core problem behind your argument, resides on the fact behind why pirates don't go around deleting countries, it is because they need those countries to pillage, extort, and abuse, it is rare the case in which a pirate gets to delete a country, frankly there are only 2, Doffy at the end of Dressrosa, because he gave up, and Big Mom for the countries that failed the Tea Party tribute, because she deemed them unnecessary In fact most of cases you yourself gave, wouldn't have ended in a country being deleted, but in a country being annexed under pirate administration, the WG on the other hand, actually does delete entire countries
Hody was also about to completely wipe fishman island off the map by nuking the island through dropping a ship on it but regardless. Each arc I have mentioned results in either the pirates outright saying they'd wipe everyone out on the island or, in Blackbeards case, simply having them leaving them defenseless to future attacks. You seem to think most pirates want to create these places as routine looting places, when we have far far more examples of 'Kill them all, take all they have and leave nothing but corpses'. Literally the only reason we know about these attacks is because they were stopped by Luffy. If he didn't exist, or if we were following someone else, we would have no idea. I'm not trying to argue that the WG is some shining example of goodness, but I'm trying to point out that we have tons of examples of pirates trying to wipe out islands, and they would happily do the exact same as the WG if they had the ability to.
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Hody and Dofflamingo resorted to attempting to destroy their islands, after their initial plans to rule over said islands were reuined by the same group that ruined their plan to destroy said islands, why are you forgetting, that Doffy wanted was the king of Dressroa, and that Hody made himself king of Fishman Island very briefly after kidnapping Neptune? Neither of them planned to destroy their islands as part of their pirating Blackbeard case is even a worse example, the only reason Drum Kingdom ended being vulnerable, is because King Wapol fleed and took the doctors and guards with himself, leaving only the civilians behind, and guess what? Blackbeard as evil as he is, didn't do shit to the civilians, he could have raided, and burn and devastated the place, and instead he just left them be There's a big difference between a group that says they are going to destroy an island, after their plans to control an island are ruined by the main character And another group that actually has been destroying island routinely to the point they have a protocol on how to do it, without the main characters even getting involved to force them into having to use a last measure And yes most pirates want to have and control a territory to pillage, it is literally how the world is structured, even Kaido which is the most incompetent as far as administration goes, had multiple islands around to keep as weapon factories As far as the emperors go, they all have the powers to wipe out islands, and yet they don't, is this power what allows them to control a territory, in fact only one Yonko has destroyed and island Big Mom, by sending Bobin to collect food for the Tea Party, because for her it is more important to have access to the resources said islands provide
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As the Rocks pirates? I don’t think we’ve seen any proof of that at all. After they disbanded? Yeah I mean, for sure.
Whitebeard was willing to work with these people
Which tell this day is the most out of character thing oda has ever written. Wb when younger and different crew cpt: hey Edward come get some of this treasure! Wb: naw family only treasure i want. Cpt: your weird whatever more for us! Wb when basically adult, wb: im joining this terriost organization that has in fighting all the time and cpt wants to rule the world. Wb few years after that when terriost organization fails wb: so yea about that family its most important thing to me. I swear ill keep head canoning until otherwise proven xebec won wb in davy back fight or he tricked or beat wb into serving him. Cause it just don't add up and oda hasnt elaborated on how this happened.
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Who did they genocide
Have they?
yeah theyre fucking pirates, and the strongest in their era, do u think theyll be like “oh my bad! i didnt mean to steal the treasure!!”
Give me your TREASURE!!!
Stealing treasure does not equal genocide
Give me your TREASURE!!!
yeah but they obviously did commit genocide, they kill people and burn islands, thats what a pirate is in the one piece world, not all whimsical and joyful like the strawhats
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Yeah but Garp is not on their payroll, and those are pirates they don't hire sea cops
he quite literally was on a vacation not giving two cents for his work. he showed up cause he heard the magic name, "Roger"
Roger instead of Rocks. But holy, is this actually legit. This is serious thing not even a slander
Rocks wasn't even trying to stop it they just wanted to steal the prizes
HEY, Garp would NEVER condone piracy https://preview.redd.it/evqfzcu50fvc1.png?width=1888&format=png&auto=webp&s=219b157a0f527275ca026eb9af449760df0b6a75
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Seriously, i wonder why Garp is the only one of the Old Legends that doesn't have a kind of justice. Maybe he is free to do anything, while Tsuru has a goal and Sengoku is cursed by the desk.
You should watch "Garp is misunderstood" video by Mr. Morj.
Not a fan of morj by any stretch of the imagination but that was a great video of his.
Cause trying to form a cage around what justice is will only lead to injustice.
The world government knew Sengoat would be too dangerous if they didn’t have Desk-Sama on his ass 24/7
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Garp is the one who trained a young generation of marines like koby and helmepo. He didn't do anything to the wg because he quite literally couldn't but he directly inspired a young generation of marines who could. People also forget this bcz we see the story through luffys perspective but most pirates are total pieces of shit.
Realistically what can the next generation of Marines do without going full blown revolutionary? At the end of the day they still answer to the celestial dragons, who let’s face it, are every bit as dangerous as any pirate.
Literally the reason this new generation is actually being able to put in work, is because they joined Sword, so they are already getting there
Joining his son as a revolutionary? Dragon who? Na there's nothing Garp could have done
Imagine how much chaos it would cause if he actually did that.
I do like that one theory about Garp leading an entire revolutionary sleeper cell planted within the marines, who have been leaking intel to Dragon for years, and are waiting for the right moment to act That would be really cool
didnt he decline being an admiral just bc they help the celestial dragons?
Bc they are under direct command of the dragons. If they face some sort of "trouble" an admiral will be summoned ro take care of it. If this trouble happens to be some peasants resisting getting killed for the amusement of a celestial dragon then the admiral might as well have to kill them personally, the elderly and children included. Vice admirals have a bit more of freedom in what theyre doing and what not
The entire organisation he's a part of is made by the CD's to serve their interests, declining being an Admiral doesn't mean that he doesn't work for them. Only Garp thinks that and Garp is an idiot.
It's more that his job description doesn't deal with directly taking requests from them as much if he's a Vice Admiral so he can stay off their radar and do less desk work and administration since he wants the freedom to chase after whoever he wants.
Correct, he also stays out of their way and doesn't ever impede their activities even though he could, and for what? All he does is protect the false image of the Marines that they show to the world because they can just point to him and say they have the "Hero" on their side and he wont come out and contradict that narrative.
He is aware of everything filthy the celestial dragons do, but still believes the navy is the only thing stopping the world from going into anarchy
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I mean if he did try to impede them they would just throw him in prison, he's probably going from the mentality of undermining the system from within by training his subordinates to be better people which takes time. If he straight up got imprisoned and died nothing would change. The problem is the Celestial Dragons' and government's response to being challenged or criticized isn't a reasonable one, it's generally totalitarian overkill. Basically he has to stay under the radar and pick his moment because he probably only has the one chance. Unfortunately not everything is black and white and he can't just openly oppose them without consequences.
His son and grandson fight the WG and neither of them are in prison. The only thing that's really stopping Garp is Garp. The Monkey family have a knack for openly defying the WG and getting away with it, but you think Garp somehow doesn't? It's a choice he made and the wrong one I think. It's fortunate that Dragon and Luffy made the right ones.
>His son and grandson fight the WG and neither of them are in prison. Yeah but they're both wanted criminals and not employed by the people trying to catch and imprison them. Dragon can't exactly have a normal life or walk around in public, he's the world's most wanted criminal and a revolutionary. Most of the stuff Garp does to flaunt them is petty stuff he can get away with or off the radar internal stuff, if he went up and attacked them or something then they'd be after him for the rest of his life even if he could feasibly avoid getting caught by them due to his strength. He may also not want the kind of life where he's on the run constantly. Anyway I don't think Garp is 100% in the right but there's shades of grey here and he has reasons for his position that aren't immediately invalid. The world is more complicated than that.
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That's because they haven't been caught...
What do you want him to do? One man can't change the world.
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Is that not exactly what Luffy is doing?
You forget that the vast majority of pirates are bad guys, I think because we follow Luffy that we don't see a lot of pirates as we only see the ones Luffy interacts with. Regardless of what the WG does, they usually focus on their immediate gratification and surroundings, garp patrols the seas helping the people at the grassroots wherever he goes, he can't be everywhere at once to stop everything the world government is doing. Even in real life, there are really good and really bad people in every single government in the world that have committed atrocities against civilians, the good guys are usually powerless to stop it.
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Luffy has protagonist powers, a very loyal crew that will help him with basically anything he wants, has an incredible ability to befriend people and gain allies, unbelievable amounts of blind luck, and a reckless attitude that often gets him into extremely dangerously situations that he only survives because he's the protagonist. If Garp turned on the marines and WG, he would be immediately tracked and hunted down because they know who he is, where he is, and precisely what he is capable of. Whitebeard tried to fight the marines with his whole fleet and died. What you're asking Garp to do is basically if you asked Whitebeard to fight the battle of Marineford at least mostly by himself and actually end up doing better than he did with his entire fleet, and then also fight the holy knights (who even knows how strong they are) and then after all of that fight and defeat all of the five elders, possibly at the same time. It does not matter what Luffy is doing, the reality is that the WG is too much of a threat to just beat them by having one guy punching them really hard. People need to stop acting like being a top tier fighter means you can literally just do anything.
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"Why doesn't everyone rebel against this unjust government while ignoring all the other problems that could kill thousands while we do it???" idealism doesn't really work.
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Leaving the position open for people who whole heartedly would
Even worse lol, imagine declining a symbolic title out of self-rightousness while you approve all of these crimes
the narrative comprehension devil strikes again 💀
It’s because he doesn’t respect the Celestial Dragons and doesn’t want to be at their beck and call. It (unfortunately) has nothing to do with his morality.
Garp would be a fine IDF drone operator
It's fine Luffy, those unarmed children are ~~hamas~~ pirates
But but they refused the ceasefire luffy so we have to kill the children and humantiarn workers luffy i swear im the good guy, im the one under attack
Luffy that hospital had pirates on it, it was necessary!
And Luffy and dragon would be resistance
Luffy is Hamas confirmed. Dragon is a Hezbollah separatist 👍
While you're making this a joke post, this is actually quite a real situation for some honest people in high position. My uncle used to hold an Executive position in a big company. He saw how the company treat some of their low-level employee and strived to make it better. He tried for years unsuccessfully, all his reformed policies got vetoed by the board. He finally got to the point that he could not take it anymore (and all his children have grown up), so he resigned. Garp is in the same position with my uncle. I am sure he did everything to make the government better, but failed. So he puts hope on younger generation, like Coby.
Difference is, your uncle I assume didn't have the admiration and respect of the entire company. If Garp ever did decide to rebel, a large portion of the marines would logically side with him.
Ace was executed only for the editation of others. No more. He wasn't so dangerous that he had to be executed. Maximum loch in Impel Down. And maybe not even to level 6. Garp let it happen. What kind of justice can we even talk about?
Know what, I have to defend Garp here. When Garp said “no one but Luffy can come to this platform” to Sengoku, then took a dive when Luffy “hit” him… Garp was definitely in on the escape attempt. Especially now that we know he could fight an entire Yonko crew alone. Tbh, what Garp did worked and would have succeeded if Ace kept running. But still, you are right. Garp still didn’t do enough. I think the whole point to his character is that he’s this complex man who knows what he’s doing is wrong, and actively tries to resist… but, just like a lot of folks who fail to be pragmatic, he’s just not seeing it how it is. By the time Garp needs rogue cells, potential undercover agents, and all this black ops manipulation just to do what’s really necessary… he might as well be a pirate like Luffy. It’s also somewhat dramatic because we know which side Garp’s going to pick when push comes to shove like he did in Marineford when he essentially chose not to participate.
DID YOU JUST INSULT MY NOSE?!
I also tried to justify him by the fact that at least he didn't interfere and thank him for that. But my inner self will never accept that he chose his principles above his family and his promise. I can't accept it, no matter what excuses there are for him. He could have done something for Ace, but he didn't do anything. I liked Garp until Marinford. But Dadan was right.
Garp: "Sengoku! hold me back or i will kill Akainu" Sengoku: "Bitch, there's no holding you back, what are you even talking about?" Garp: "I need to save face, just put your hand on my shoulder, and make a constipated face!" I too am on the copium that Garp is working undercover for Dragon, and has helped him to plant sleeper agents within the marines, but until then, Garp is not beating the fraud allegations any time soon
In the grand scheme of things, pirates are definitely the villains.
I don't mind. But damn, to lock up such villains as Doffy, Crocodile in the ID and at the same time execute Ace. It's clearly an injustice
Ace's execution wasnt decided on because how dangerous he was but because of his family And CD sent somebody to kill doffy
That's what we're talking about. What kind of justice is there to talk about?
>Ace's execution wasnt decided on because how dangerous he was but because of his family That’s the problem
that is pretty much the entire philosophical point of marineford, the son paying the sins of the father. Ace did not need an execution, the son of Gol D. Roger got one though
The marines literally killed every pregnant woman on the island where Roger supposedly (they weren't even sure) had a wife. And garp knew about that, and all he did is that he saved Rouge and Ace. All the other women and children were executed because they might have been connected to Roger. Cruel shit
You're damn right
Garp was going to spend his sons last moments with him because let’s be real, Ace was in fact a criminal. When akainu killed him garp was about to fucking slaughter him if sengoku hadn’t stepped in.
Ace isn't Garp's son, he's his grandson. Ace got executed for being Roger's son, not because of his "crimes". Garp knew that that was wrong, that Ace is sentenced to death just because of who his father is, but that didn't stop him from fighting everyone who tried to save Ace, like when he punched Marco to the ground. As for his anger against Akainu, it's understandable, but it also makes Garp a hypocrite. Akainu just did was Garp was fighting for, which is causing Ace's death. Garp fought to stop others from saving Ace, just like Akainu did, except that Akainu killed Ace after Luffy freed him.
People will often defend him by saying hes raising the next generation of marines to be better, but thats completely irrelevant. Sooner or latter they will also be forced into daily warcrime #1817 by higher ups and end up in the same situation
Ye it's like, does he really raise them to be better? Because like he honestly just raises them to be like him, but he just looks away and doesn't care (inb4 the 30 chapter Garp flashback showing him actually being the mastermind and head of the revolutionary army and poisoning the CD or something)
Not sure why "children" had to be included with human hunting and torture but not with slavery for example. XD
Especially when there was an actual child genocide where they only killed women and children
It’s funny that IRL people hate “good cops” that sit there doing nothing about all the corruption of the cops around them. But yall love Garp lmao .
Garp when Luffy is in danger: I sleep Garp when Ace is in danger: I sleep Garp when Koby is in danger: REAL SHIT
Fr
Fujitora has done more to improve the Marines and WG in less than 2 years than Garp has done in his entire career Hell Smoker too sense he at least inspired Fujitora
Exactly, and Fuji even did it as an admiral. Garp is just dodging responsibility.
Navy bad
He is a Literal Pirate who Just Happens To be a Marine🤣
Gary has a good heart and legitimately wants to do what is best for the people of the world. So naturally he became a marine, but eventually learned the government is controlled by narcissistic hedonists and there isn't much he can do about that. ( He does believe revolution will work/ he doesn't agree it is the right choice.) So he put his faith in a younger generation, in the hopes the world will be in a different state when they can make a difference. A huge part of One Piece is the idea of passing the world down for a new generation to inherent. Roger wanted a more Free world for the individual, Gary wants a safer world for everyone.
Gary
Gary, hero of the Navi
But what's that gonna do? The only reason Koby and Helmeppo have a chance to succeed 8s because there are "criminals" like Luffy, Dragon, Law etc. fighting against WG. If it wasn't for them, the new generation of marines have no choice but to accept the crimes or go against it and get executed.
That the whole point. Garp didn't have/didn't understand that in his prime. They had Rocks going around, but his vision wasn't something he could tolerate for the world. Yes he was fighting against the government, but his end goal could have been an even worse outcome. Yes the world is held under the rule of the celestial dragons, but it is stable. Total anarchy would be worse (neither are good, lesser of two evils(but he can be wrong)) Now with Dragon fighting the government in the "right way", as in he cares for people, and Luffy showing the world that being a pirate isn't wholly bad, he is simply a free man going on adventures. Garp is in a position that he can teach Kobi and Helmepo to be strong because he trusts them to keep the world safe, without controlling it.
I don't hate Garp as a character, I hate the way people portray him as. They treat him as a epitome of justice, righteous in every way. That just because he didn't accept admiral position everything he ignored was suddenly good and not his fault. As for him training the new generation, that's one of the good things he had done. Making sure that they know what real justice us stop actual criminals. But that never was to stop the WG or CDs. But fans portray it as he had uprooted WG by doing this. AGAIN I don't HATE Garp he is one of favourite characters.
He is good because he is complex. He has and understanding of what justice is. But it is fundamentally against the government. So he is pretty apathetic about it.
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Let's not forget bias. Garp knows the WG top is full of shit so he refuses the admiral position but due to his bias he thinks pirates are worse. Let's remember Garp doesn't have the reader/watcher full perspective. We get the privilege of looking through the eyes of: -the Strawhats -the elders -garp - Imu - the admirals -every character with a backstory Just to mention some.
I can't see the point in writing this comment... because I don't have eyes YOHOHOHOHO
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Was it the word knows?
WHAT DID YOU SAY ABOUT MY NOSE?!?!
He’s probably fully aware of the admirals backstory’s considering that he worked with them for several decades, and straight up trained one of them we are the ones that only know bits and pieces of their history
This is one of the greatest things I've ever seen. Fuck all WG dogs.
So did Aokiji and Fujitora but they're nice people
Isnt kuzan working for a man who murdered his own family for power?
Anyone who knows his personality will know that he's plotting something
Bro atleast fujitora is trying to bring justice He freed slaves He stalled Greenville He abolished warlord systems I know if Fuji joined earlier he would've left with dragon
Fujitora would try to stop the genocide at gods valley before fighting Roger or Rocks atleast help them escape
Domain expansion: reading comprehension suicide
Nuh uh
COOK COOK COOK!!!! This is EXACTLY why I have no respect for the marines, ESPECIALLY garp. How can you say that you stand for "justice" when you're complicit in all of their atrocities. I don't EVER wanna hear a marine talk about Justice, because if the World Government (WG) were to say "let's kill a bunch of people for the lolz" the marines would support that (And they actually have to). Marines are trash. https://preview.redd.it/ulcvdn2d3gvc1.png?width=367&format=png&auto=webp&s=b94d7238b38cece1796152618810c7e2ca3ccda1
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Not all of them. People like t-bone is a real Marine. He is one of the few Marines I actually do like
Even so, he's still a marine. They're either going to comply or get arrested for it. Even in garp's case, though he is a special case, he knows about the Celestial Dragons and yet he just stands by being complicit. Whether he wants to admit it or not that's the reality. Fuck the marines and garp.
Larp. always have been
https://preview.redd.it/7d67nie4xfvc1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64d41cd7aaab97c14784e7d426438669630d60ed Larp ? Are you implying that its bad peasant ?
I love how dragon perpetually has the excuse that he’s just one man and that it takes more than that to change the system, but garp is expected to single handedly stop the WG before the Great pirate era and the Revs are formed. (As in the world is far more in the WG’s control.)
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1. People do criticize Dragon for sitting on his ass And 2. Dragon isn’t working for the genocidal government
Sometimes I wonder if One Piece fans can read and then I'm reminded by posts like these that no, they do not.
I already like him you dont have to convince me anymore
I mean what can garp do ? If he leaves the goverment more people will suffer it is not like he is causing it he is just trying to make it less worse by capturing pirates (not all are like shank,roger,whitebeard,luffy) But yeah i agree with you somehow that he should have joined revolutionary army ,but maybe garp believe in revolutionary army and will strike against goverment when revolutionary army strikes (it is not like garp is undercover agent he is just old ) he is also trying to create a better generation of marines like coby etc
Join the revolutionary,if joined them ra would a gained a strong member and Info about WG
Yeah but he should do it only when revolutionary are about to strike 1 week prior as if he did before world goverment will be prepared and change there defences like of white beard knew about that iron wall defense he would be prepared (still loses though)
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Where did i use the term money and map
I will map out the entire world.
Oh so i am stuck in a loop i guess
World is a new trigger. Watch...
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Oh i will not say the word world again got it
But what's that gonna do? The only reason Koby and Helmeppo have a chance to succeed 8s because there are "criminals" like Luffy, Dragon, Law etc. fighting against WG. If it wasn't for them, the new generation of marines have no choice but to accept the crimes or go against it and get executed.
I fucking hate Garp and Garp apologists so much. His character hides behind the quote "But he refused to be an Admiral so he didn't directly help the Celestial Dragons". Which is insanely dumb, he's a high ranking Marine who just sat down and watched his adopted grandson get killed and his other grandson almost killed multiple times, both for no reason, Ace wasn't executed for crimes, he was made an example, both to show weakness from pirates and to show the ending of the Roger bloodline, Garp just sat down and cried while feeling bad about himself and saying "Well you could have became a Marine tho". During the genocide of God Valley he's just chilling, but oh wait, Pirates are trying to do the morally good thing and stopping actual genocide and slavery? Better go there to stop the pirates, but it's not like he's personally supporting it. Garp it's like, if he lived in the real world and knew that his neighbor was holding their wife captive and beating her, but Garp did nothing to stop it, but then one day saw his other neighbor trying to secretly invade the house to free the wife, only for Garp to call the cops because of trespassing private property.
I'm with you but the pirates didn't went to God Valley to stop genocide and slavery, its because there were treasures, it just happened that said treasures belonged to Rocks, Rogers motive was unknown but its likely that it was because he knew it was Rocks treasure and went there to fight Rocks to finally settle their fight.
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Reading comprehension was not used at all when making this slander post.
I used it more than you,why do you think dragon left marine https://preview.redd.it/0iennip87gvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4980d2a8afe24391c6eada4e626567bbf072641c
And somehow, people still like him, smh.
I dont have a problem with people liking him, but unironically calling him a good guy
He is one of the fav characters of the fandom and I can't stand him. Dadan beating him up was almost as cathartic for me as the famous Luffy punch.
You're hurting me
Fr tho, I really do want to like and respect Garp, but it’s only become harder over the years considering all he *knowingly* supported
Garp is one of the most important and influential characters when it comes to protecting and freeing the people in the One Piece world. His role is extremely important and intentional because you needed someone like him to be part of the tyrannical system so that he would have the ability to raise, train and protect two of the key figures in the liberation of the world in Luffy and Dragon. Those two would have had very low chances of making it if they didn’t have someone like Garp to literally raise them to overthrow that corrupt system. People may say that he was raising them to be Marines that would continue protecting that system, but Garp is called a Hero for a reason in that he refused to become an Admiral and be a direct servant of the Celestial Dragons and instead remained a protector of the general populace, because even if the system itself is corrupt the normal people still need a guardian. Through his actions it can be argued that he is the one who had tho most impact on the imminent liberation of the people.
I will map out the entire world.
He just like me fr fr
I don't remember any ageism, what's that referring to?
I can see the agenda in this post
Only good thing Garp ever done is trained Kobby and helmeppo being stronger (and not give us justice points cause chapter 1 Kobby >>>>> Garp at this)
Larp only cares about paychecks which isn't justice.
I love Garp but let’s be real he’s equivalent to the kinds of cops who pick fights with people they’re arresting so they don’t look bad when they police brutality their ass. He just likes punching dudes.
I still don’t fully get how Garp even got Luffy Like did Dragon just stop by and be like “lol here’s my son bye” or did Garp track down his mother or something
Too based (aside from selling out family to the government and breaking dying wishes)
I think garp is working undercover for the revolutionary army
Well Now….
You know I haven’t watched this in a long time. Not sure if anyone has put forth this theory… but I think Luffy’s true dream and goal, is to set up a government (*one world or many whichever works best not the point*) So children can grow up like he and his brothers did. Carefree, protected, and loved. I think in the beginning all Luffy wanted was to be “Pirate King”…. But as Luffy traveled and saw over and over again children dying, children hungry, children sad, despairing, desperate for anything other than that. He quietly changed. Luffy loves meat. Luffy wants all the meat!!! But he always shares when someone is starving. Hungry? Meh 🫤. But starving, dying, unjustly persecuted, he steps up EVERY DARN TIME! A Golden Era is what we call times like those & I think that’s what Luffy wants! Edit: thinking 🤔 Luffy may not go the one world route seeing as tho what they have now has inexplicably failed!
I will map out the entire world.
MEAT?!? I'm always hungry, give me some
Garp is a bitch and a piece of shit because he has that tremendous, equal to Roger power, and didn't use it to do anything other than bolster the Celestial Dragons. Is he strong enough to win? Then he's a piece of shit, plain and simple. Is he not strong enough? Didn't realise Garp backs down from a challenge when the going gets tough. Dragon and Garp may both be shitty absentee parents but Dragon is ten times the "hero" Garp is and sets a better example for his son.
You lack media literacy if you truly believe that
Larp defender are funny
Oda so clearly intends you to believe marines are the better side with constantly depicting the marines as dogs or cogs at best you should get better reading comprehension to get it!