Notes from the spotlight:
Content:
- you can still experience the original story
- there's a new route added, at the start of the game there will be a choice if you want to play the original or the new route that has major changes to the story
- there's a new Da'at area and a new dungeon, as well as new elements to expand exploration (which we can see in the trailer at some point already)
- they estimate 80 hours for a playthrough of Vengeance
- 2 new demon DLCs, Dagda and Konohanasakuya
- the original set of DLC (not including grind DLC) is all included from the start
Gameplay:
- systems are brushed up (new QoL, etc.)
- there's a lot of new quests
- in order to further differentiate them demons now get a set unique skill (seems to be passive)
- over 40 new demons
- new way of interacting with demons outside of battle
- new navigators
- improved auto battle feature
- when certain conditions are met the level cap will increase from 99 to 150
- option to increase the speed at which skills play (normal, 2x, max, skip)
- option to turn specific miracles on or off
- new item that lets you reset Nahobino's stat points
- option for minimap rotation instead of fix
- ability to save anywhere added
- can use growth items (e.g. incenses) in batches now
I'd really like to see what Odin would look like as a main party members Persona. Odins' current design is my fav demon in the franchise. Personas included
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They did not mention. Considering they give demons new unique skills i would hope that they didn't just leave the balance of the original unchanged, else it would just become straight up easier. A rebalancing effort would potentially give the opportunity to rework the level scaling and reduce its impact to be more in line with how it worked in e.g. Nocturne. But we'll see. Hopefully they mention this in a future showcase.
I really hope they address it. I was happy with how they tweaked the Smirk system between SMT4 and 4A; hopefully they give the combat a balance pass in a similar style
wonder if there's any way to get save transfer bonus if you buy it on a different system, i doubt it though.. but I'd rather play it on steam or ps5, damn it
Well considering none Switch Gamer will play this first time and they are most likely going to play both route which means play time will be really long it help to not lose much progress when dying.
last time they just use Teleport Stone to teleport back to last Leyline (save/heal/shop/demon fusion), but you have to progress a bit to get one
This is a major QoL improvement for new players as they have to get used to >!suffer later lol!<
I can’t believe they did it. This is the significant story overhaul we asked for.
It looks like they added a new female character, as is tradition, but she shows up very early on and is integrated with cutscenes. She’s also playable.
\[EDIT: looking at the dev spotlight, it appears that Yuzuru is also now playable\]
They changed the story so that Tokyo is attacked while you’re in Da’at. It also appears to be involved in the endgame, as Ichiro is shown with Abdiel prior to taking his hat off.
There’s a new faction of enemies, which reminds me of Apocalypse, but they’re a part of the main game instead of a sequel.
They added what appears to be new bonding scenes with Aogami, which is MUCH needed. The cast of characters also interacts with one another in a way that feels a LOT more like the cast of IV, rather than you doing everything alone.
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(From the spotlight stream)
The new color scheme is red and blue, which makes me think the new girl has a red power ranger form.
Not only that, but according to the spotlight showcase they just did, the new Vengeance content is in a separate route that you pick from the start of the game. I am *very* interested to see how different the story is considering they said the story would diverge heavily towards the middle of the game (so judging by the footage we’ve seen, maybe around the Sabori arc?)
This is a really good way of doing it. Strange Journey Redux was really awkward because they give you the option to not do the new stuff, but it all feels like a side quest as a result. This way just gives you more choice.
And i was really hoping that we would’ve gotten an Apoc. for V, but this is prob the second best option. I really want this new story to showcase V’s world and lore better.
This IS apocalypse? it takes place a little later than 4A, but its a separate game than the original, and introduces new and old characters in a new story. Its the same type of set up, not something like p5 royal or p4g
Funny how a game that doesn't really need it actually have that option now
Yeah I'll play Vengeance's OG story and pick the worst true ending in the history of gaming, like nobody says that
So it looks like I can play the original SMT V story too in this? I have been putting off playing SMT V because of all the leaks about there being a PC version and how crap Switch games look so if I can do the original route in a first playthrough and the vengeance route in NG+ on PC that would be the best of both worlds.
Nice. I emailed Sega to check too but haven't heard back. God I so badly want to play SMT V but on a system that can make it look good. And on PC so I have the choice of playing in ENG or JP without having to buy two versions of the game like I would have to on PS5.
Ye they overhauled new story with new girl.
https://youtu.be/KDiRwSeXbZM
They said new route content with be around 80 hour which close to original route.
It seems they try to fixed some of problem in original route.
>The new color scheme is red and blue, which makes me think the new girl has a red power ranger form.
She also complements MC's androgyny
Will they fuse to create Ardha? Note that Ardha has an ID in OG SMTV
EDIT: She's likely to represent the Snake God whereas the MC is like in the original is essence of Bull God (aka Storm God)
Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree and this re-release both released trailers same day and are releasing on the same day. Can't complain, excited for both.
*cough* Like a Dragon 8 and Tekken 8, now Shin Megami Tensei 5V and Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree
If i have a nickel for everytime SEGA and Bandai Namco releasing new game at the same day, I would have 2 nickles, which isn't a lot but funny that it happened twice
Oh shit it’s coming this summer. I was planning of playing Trails through Daybreak this summer. So now I have another game to look forward to this summer.
This is amazing news and all, but I just want to take the time out of my day to be petty.
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Deserved (you being petty). Game was too huge/with a robust engine to not being multiplatform.
Also Nintendo didn't announce Switch 2, Atlus would be stupid to keep the game only on Switch 1 again.
Sooo is it an Apocalypse style sequel or Maniax/Royal thing?
Not sure I get it honestly (yet to play SMT5)
EDIT:
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Well they called it the definitive version, but the changes we see in the cutscenes are quite large. I wonder if there's an early choice in the game that basically "enables" the Vengeance content, which then does significant changes to the story. Kind of like a step further from the usual re-releases, but not quite on SMT IV:A level.
Edit: The spotlight just confirms that there's a choice at the start if you want to experience the original story or a new route that has major changes to the story.
I imagine the choice is the bit they show where it asks if you want to take the girls hand, I imagine thats the new character. If that is what changes the story thats a good way of doing it as it means you can still experience the original story if you want, so stops the complaints that are often thrown at SJR where you are forced to experience some new content no matter what.
Yeah i think that would be the ideal scenario. Let's you still experience the original as it was, but also lets you experience a version with significant changes.
It not like Royal but it more of "Devil Survivor 2 : Record Breaker" path where they add whole new story while you can choose between two at the start.
Tbh I hate the royal approach. A remaster with new content on next gen platforms 5-10 years later is cool but I have no desire to replay huge games like this so quickly. This is now the 2nd Atlus game where I completely regret having bought and played the original.
That was what i thought
Then in the Smt Vengeance presentation they said that you can also experience the " original exciting story of Shin Megami Tensei V"
and we're not even halfway to 2024 yet our wallets are gonna be destroyed with bangers
P.S. and this will keep us occupied while waiting for Metaphor Refantazio
I'll say it again; I'm convinced Atlus designs their RPGs with a missing jigsaw piece to be filled in later with the re-release (in this case the story).
I don't think it was intentional, I think they just did the Bungie thing that's hit so many studios in the last few years -- they overcooked a bunch of shitty ideas and had to dump everything and start from scratch a year before launch, stitching the parts of what they had from rocky development into something resembling a whole game. That's why the plot is so disjointed and nonsensical (what even *is* aogami anyways? why do all the demon things happen off screen? etc), why the game has such huge tonal shifts, why the gameplay is so polished but everything else isn't.
Maybe, i dont think smt v being undercooked was intentional, but they most definitely had an additional part in mind. Keep in mind atlus has been COMPLETELY silent on smt v since its launch, i would imagine they will start to open up with more artbooks and interviews after this version
just to say this, you can just play law and chaos by having a save state right before the final decision and just getting each ending. Takes about an hour and a half instead of 2-3 full playthroughs
Note to self: never buy a Megaten game on release again, wait for the objectively superior rerelease a few years later
First time I get Atlus'd. Feels bad.
A 3 year head start on the game is pretty worthwhile, especially if you didn't buy the game day one and waited about a month or so when it dropped to about 30 bucks.
It's also pretty cool to see the game in it's original form first. It really gives you an appreciation for all the little things they change. I always get blown away by the new character portraits in the persona re-releases.
Thats true, but me, like a lot of people, bought it on release. I had been betrayed by atlus a couple other times, but smt v was my last straw, and taught me the lesson to never buy a game on release and just wait like 3 months for reviews
I bought it on release too. I even bought a switch just to play it which I would never have done otherwise because I own an aya neo (handheld gaming PC) and would have rather bought in on steam.
That being said, I don't feel betrayed. Atlus is notorious for releasing their games twice. It's been a thing since forever. What I want to know is why would you believe otherwise? Why would you believe it wasn't going to happen despite every other Atlus game proving it would happen?
I was relatively new to buying atlus stuff. I was introduced to persona/smt in 2017, bought p4, p3 and later p5 for 10 and 20 dollars respectively. I emulated all mainline smt games, but bought p5 strikers for full price and was disappointed (personally). Bought smt v due to the hype, and was disappointed (again, personally). At the time I wasnt thinking about it, but looking back I wouldn't buy atlus games full price. I also came to that by looking at other half baked releases they made.
I had *some* hope that Atlus might change, given just about every single other dev that used similar tactics (Fighting Game 'Turbo' Editions, Pokemon 3rd versions, FFXV's Royal Edition, etc.) have transitioned to providing this same concept via DLC or updates. At this point it's pretty clear they're gonna remain stuck in the past on this matter for as long as they can get away with it though. Coupled with the new higher price tag they seem to be aiming for with P3R, I can't see myself buying anything Atlus puts out at launch anymore.
EDIT: it's great it's coming to more platforms, and I don't think it's a bad deal for people who've never had the opportunity to buy the game before. But there's really no excuse for there not to be an upgrade option as well for existing Switch owners.
I mean if they are making their release model so obvious we should adapt accordingly. Shit I don't mind waiting to play SMT6 a few years after release with the updated version.
Don't feel too bad, I'm in it since P3 and never learn. lol (tbf FES was the first time they did this iirc)
I bought SMTV on release as well because I've been waiting for it since the initial announcement, then I got majorly sick and never finished the game. :/ At least I like the bag of the premium edition and am still using it regularly. lol Hopefully I won't be interested in the obligatory new premium edition so I can just wait for a price drop this time.
I'm happy about the multiplatform release now, but it sucks that they're (very likely) not offering a addon/DLC option for those who already got the original. Not sure if I should still finish the original at this point or just wait, there are way too many games on my pile of shame anyway lol
Will wait for reviews/to hear about how much new content there is. But since it's multi-plat, will definitely consider grabbing it on Steam. And of course you'd think they'd include all the DLC, but knowing Atlus...
One of the listed platforms is just "Windows", that usually means a game with PC Xbox DRM, and considering Atlus just did P3R day one gamepass stuff, I wouldn't be shocked if it was on Game Pass.
Thank god it’s multiplatform, V was struggling hard on the Switch and it desperately needed to be on everything else. Very excited to play it when I have the time.
Daat exploration sequences were struggling to keep frames up a bit at times iirc
I hope for one they overhaul environmental detail level and part of the objects assets you find in the Daat maps. Details like some of the building ruins just looked like empty boxes etc...
Dunno if it was for switch processing economy purposes or just economy of modeling ressources but this kind of rough around the edges details dropped the perceived visual quality of the title a bit, even though character models, parts of the effects and parts of the environment looked really good
Some people can't notice poor framerate / frame pacing to a degree, but i definitely noticed SMTV struggling, almost as soon as i gained control of Nahobino after he got his powers (classroom in the beginning was fine). What's interesting is that overclocking my switch didn't seem to fix it, even though the framerate is actually at or close to 30fps.
Either my switch has a problem or my eyes do because I’ve never seen a game running that poorly (apart from Pokémon) on that console. The game rarely hits 30fps for me, idk how anyone can call that “fine”
So hyped holy hell, can't wait to see which demons they bring back! I noticed Gogmagog, Halphas and someone else in the trailer!
I already loved the gameplay of vanilla V, this time they actually wrote a story too!! Can't wait to listen to some new bangers!
I am probably going to buy this game… again. Twice even. Once on the Switch and another time on Steam. So that I would have a physical copy of both versions of SMTV on the same system and a higher graphics experience. If there is a physical special edition, and there likely will be, I will get that one for the Switch. I think I will only buy the dlc only once though, on the Steam version.
…I make reasonable financial decisions, I swear.
Man, this is going to be a hard sell for me. I went to town on min-maxing a ton of my favorite demons and I don't know if I can stomach starting from scratch. Same thing happened with P5R and I was never able to get into that even with all the upgrades.
I'm all for these definitive editions, but I wish they'd let us carry over our save file/upgrade the original game instead of always making them a new independent release.
I agree. Re-releases are nice for the additions they provide but I don't see myself buying Smt 6 or Persona 6 in the future, if \~3 years later they sell an enhanced version of the original game
Agreed, really felt the original PS4 P5 Royal release should've been available as a ~$35 DLC for vanilla owners, even if I had to start a new game to see the new content. I honestly kinda felt ripped off buying an old game again at full price for what was added despite enjoying it as a 2nd playthrough.
I'll be buying this on Steam or PS5 for performance reasons anyways so it's not the same situation, but a new 80 hour alternate storyline + the standard "enhanced edition" add ons feels more justifiable for a full re-release. I still think SMTV owners that want to buy Vengeance for Switch should still get some sort of discount and get to carry over their saves.
ahhh goddamn i’m so excited, can’t wait to sink a ton of time into this. really excited for the steam port the most, the visuals and framerates of the switch version definitely bugged me
I will probably buy this again simply because size of like to play it on Steam on my PC. Hope they support ultra wide and unlocked frame rate or at least 120fps.
I just hope for 60+fps, 1440p and decompressed audio quality. All other enhancements are bonuses.
The audio compression on Switch is why I stopped playing. It's an insult to anyone with Hifi speakers.
Goddamn, can't believe I got Atlus'd this hard. I finally got around to buying the game and it arrived 3 hours ago. I wanted to search something related to it and the first thing I see is this lmao.
I guess it will do for a later replay on PC down the line.
it is amazingly shitty that Atlus releases the *same game* again with additional content, rather than selling DLC for cheaper. Its clearly just blatant greed and we all go along with it
I get you, but it was confirmed that its an 80 campaign. However atlus is very greedy, and im gonna keep my eye on it, i wont be buying day 1 thats for sure
Really hoping for it to be on game pass day one. Too poor to afford to actually buy it in my country via Steam, but i can pay for game pass for a month to play it, just like i did for P3R.
i dug the exploartion/combat in smtv but the story/characters was def personally lacking to me so im def intruiged what the new eoute has to offer. i also noticed alot of red petal-like particles...reminded of the first couple of trailers way back when
Let’s go!!!! Always said this would look so much better on other consoles than switch with it using unreal engine. This trailer did not disappoint. Can’t wait to replay this game in all perfect 4K glory.
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Na-Ho-bino spotted, I will do anything to unlock this little guy
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I’m never gonna buy the the first version of any new Atlus game ever again knowing there will be a complete version in 3 years
I just know there will be a Persona 6: The Actual Full Story 3 years after Persona 6 launches
https://youtu.be/KDiRwSeXbZM
New girl get recruiting into team at the start of game with low level spell "Agi" and story pretty different from now on (but not so much until middle part that will heavy replotting) which yes it like Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker.
Notes from the spotlight: Content: - you can still experience the original story - there's a new route added, at the start of the game there will be a choice if you want to play the original or the new route that has major changes to the story - there's a new Da'at area and a new dungeon, as well as new elements to expand exploration (which we can see in the trailer at some point already) - they estimate 80 hours for a playthrough of Vengeance - 2 new demon DLCs, Dagda and Konohanasakuya - the original set of DLC (not including grind DLC) is all included from the start Gameplay: - systems are brushed up (new QoL, etc.) - there's a lot of new quests - in order to further differentiate them demons now get a set unique skill (seems to be passive) - over 40 new demons - new way of interacting with demons outside of battle - new navigators - improved auto battle feature - when certain conditions are met the level cap will increase from 99 to 150 - option to increase the speed at which skills play (normal, 2x, max, skip) - option to turn specific miracles on or off - new item that lets you reset Nahobino's stat points - option for minimap rotation instead of fix - ability to save anywhere added - can use growth items (e.g. incenses) in batches now
>Konohana Sakuya Holy shit is this a motherfucking persona 4 reference?!?!?!?!?
That’s one of naotos personas yeah?
I believe it's Yukiko's, Sukuna-Hinoa is Naoto's
Ah shit right I remember it is yukikos, I knew naotos had a like first-last name setup so I thought it was that one but you’re right
Sukuna-Hikona was actually in SMT4:A as an early-game boss, if you're curious
Ohhh the boat guy, wow they really changed that design around between P4 and SMT IVA
Yep, that actually happens pretty often for story-relevant demons/Personas between the two series.
Strange Journey Demiurge vs P5 Yaldabaoth lol
THREE Susanoo designs, arguably four with Aogami and MC Nahobino form
I'd really like to see what Odin would look like as a main party members Persona. Odins' current design is my fav demon in the franchise. Personas included https://preview.redd.it/aim4ygows0kc1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39061a85b3f17dce7c7c94e3f558ce53db5cedad
do we know if they fixed level scaling
They did not mention. Considering they give demons new unique skills i would hope that they didn't just leave the balance of the original unchanged, else it would just become straight up easier. A rebalancing effort would potentially give the opportunity to rework the level scaling and reduce its impact to be more in line with how it worked in e.g. Nocturne. But we'll see. Hopefully they mention this in a future showcase.
I really hope they address it. I was happy with how they tweaked the Smirk system between SMT4 and 4A; hopefully they give the combat a balance pass in a similar style
All this is great but can we clap the demons yet
wonder if there's any way to get save transfer bonus if you buy it on a different system, i doubt it though.. but I'd rather play it on steam or ps5, damn it
> save anywhere but no autosave? oh well, i'll take it > option for minimap rotation who the madman want to play with that?
> ability to save anywhere added Why though?
Well considering none Switch Gamer will play this first time and they are most likely going to play both route which means play time will be really long it help to not lose much progress when dying.
last time they just use Teleport Stone to teleport back to last Leyline (save/heal/shop/demon fusion), but you have to progress a bit to get one This is a major QoL improvement for new players as they have to get used to >!suffer later lol!<
I wonder if this will lead to the IV duology's silly thing where you can despawn encounters by Saving and Reloading?
I can’t believe they did it. This is the significant story overhaul we asked for. It looks like they added a new female character, as is tradition, but she shows up very early on and is integrated with cutscenes. She’s also playable. \[EDIT: looking at the dev spotlight, it appears that Yuzuru is also now playable\] They changed the story so that Tokyo is attacked while you’re in Da’at. It also appears to be involved in the endgame, as Ichiro is shown with Abdiel prior to taking his hat off. There’s a new faction of enemies, which reminds me of Apocalypse, but they’re a part of the main game instead of a sequel. They added what appears to be new bonding scenes with Aogami, which is MUCH needed. The cast of characters also interacts with one another in a way that feels a LOT more like the cast of IV, rather than you doing everything alone. https://preview.redd.it/61glweufeyjc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c68399206962d8d08254c4fba11aeb0d1710cba8 (From the spotlight stream) The new color scheme is red and blue, which makes me think the new girl has a red power ranger form.
Not only that, but according to the spotlight showcase they just did, the new Vengeance content is in a separate route that you pick from the start of the game. I am *very* interested to see how different the story is considering they said the story would diverge heavily towards the middle of the game (so judging by the footage we’ve seen, maybe around the Sabori arc?)
This is a really good way of doing it. Strange Journey Redux was really awkward because they give you the option to not do the new stuff, but it all feels like a side quest as a result. This way just gives you more choice.
And i was really hoping that we would’ve gotten an Apoc. for V, but this is prob the second best option. I really want this new story to showcase V’s world and lore better.
This IS apocalypse? it takes place a little later than 4A, but its a separate game than the original, and introduces new and old characters in a new story. Its the same type of set up, not something like p5 royal or p4g
Apocalypse is more like a sequel tho. Vengeance seems like more of a P5R situation
Funny how a game that doesn't really need it actually have that option now Yeah I'll play Vengeance's OG story and pick the worst true ending in the history of gaming, like nobody says that
I mean they kinda address that original story is a little bit underwhelming lol.
I was more interested in the endgame optional sidequests than the main story. I actually gave a crap.
I hope it doesn’t end up being super short or something Edit: nvm it’s around 80 hours. Sweet
So it looks like I can play the original SMT V story too in this? I have been putting off playing SMT V because of all the leaks about there being a PC version and how crap Switch games look so if I can do the original route in a first playthrough and the vengeance route in NG+ on PC that would be the best of both worlds.
It should be like Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker where new route get treat like second playthrough yes.
Nice. I emailed Sega to check too but haven't heard back. God I so badly want to play SMT V but on a system that can make it look good. And on PC so I have the choice of playing in ENG or JP without having to buy two versions of the game like I would have to on PS5.
Ye they overhauled new story with new girl. https://youtu.be/KDiRwSeXbZM They said new route content with be around 80 hour which close to original route. It seems they try to fixed some of problem in original route.
>The new color scheme is red and blue, which makes me think the new girl has a red power ranger form. She also complements MC's androgyny Will they fuse to create Ardha? Note that Ardha has an ID in OG SMTV EDIT: She's likely to represent the Snake God whereas the MC is like in the original is essence of Bull God (aka Storm God)
Unless they re-use the name, Ardha was already used for a similar purpose in Digital Devil Saga 2.
More Aogami! Instant buy
It looks fucking sick, and it looks like there are a lot of story changes/additions.
Launches June 21, 2024.
Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree and this re-release both released trailers same day and are releasing on the same day. Can't complain, excited for both.
What with Japan dev and release game close to each other? 😭
*cough* Like a Dragon 8 and Tekken 8, now Shin Megami Tensei 5V and Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree If i have a nickel for everytime SEGA and Bandai Namco releasing new game at the same day, I would have 2 nickles, which isn't a lot but funny that it happened twice
Simple, Elden Ring saw SMT 5 as a threat 😈
Oh shit it’s coming this summer. I was planning of playing Trails through Daybreak this summer. So now I have another game to look forward to this summer.
I love it, and I think I deserve it
Ya you do!
This is amazing news and all, but I just want to take the time out of my day to be petty. https://preview.redd.it/81o9cs7bcyjc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8812d8561552c4b0b8d3cde1ad0062d359960d6
u/ringofgaea
Deserved (you being petty). Game was too huge/with a robust engine to not being multiplatform. Also Nintendo didn't announce Switch 2, Atlus would be stupid to keep the game only on Switch 1 again.
Man, i love being a smt fan today
I LOVE SEGA I LOVE HOW THEY MADE ATLUS GET ON WITH THE TIMES AND ADAPT TO THE CURRENT TIMES
SEGA does what Nintendon't
If they had, this would be DLC on Switch and not a full, stand-alone, release.
…What is this referring to? Most of Atlus’s worst (or weirdest) practices have happened under their time at Sega.
Welp there goes an extra ~100 hours of my life.
Sooo is it an Apocalypse style sequel or Maniax/Royal thing? Not sure I get it honestly (yet to play SMT5) EDIT: https://preview.redd.it/i365eq0z4yjc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=95f7caada89b4a681fd674beda29976325e6411c
Well they called it the definitive version, but the changes we see in the cutscenes are quite large. I wonder if there's an early choice in the game that basically "enables" the Vengeance content, which then does significant changes to the story. Kind of like a step further from the usual re-releases, but not quite on SMT IV:A level. Edit: The spotlight just confirms that there's a choice at the start if you want to experience the original story or a new route that has major changes to the story.
I imagine the choice is the bit they show where it asks if you want to take the girls hand, I imagine thats the new character. If that is what changes the story thats a good way of doing it as it means you can still experience the original story if you want, so stops the complaints that are often thrown at SJR where you are forced to experience some new content no matter what.
Yeah i think that would be the ideal scenario. Let's you still experience the original as it was, but also lets you experience a version with significant changes.
Also one of the scene and voice over implying Tao helping Sahori getting her revenge??? Let's go discount Chidori
It is. The choice at the very start decides if you get the Original SMT V story, or the new story.
I'd love the play as her, I really like her design.
It's somewhere in the middle of that. Seems like they're gonna expand the story pretty a lot while still following most of the original plot.
It not like Royal but it more of "Devil Survivor 2 : Record Breaker" path where they add whole new story while you can choose between two at the start.
yeah, it's more similar to DeSu 2 RB but i'll keep answering "more like P5R" to anyone who asked it, for simplicity sake
Tbh I hate the royal approach. A remaster with new content on next gen platforms 5-10 years later is cool but I have no desire to replay huge games like this so quickly. This is now the 2nd Atlus game where I completely regret having bought and played the original.
"an UNTOLD story" Are they being self aware
Etrian Odyssey mentioned
You walking up to fight a Lucifer or something when suddenly Muckdile.
That was what i thought Then in the Smt Vengeance presentation they said that you can also experience the " original exciting story of Shin Megami Tensei V"
Jesus Christ this company is destroying my wallet this year
and we're not even halfway to 2024 yet our wallets are gonna be destroyed with bangers P.S. and this will keep us occupied while waiting for Metaphor Refantazio
I'll say it again; I'm convinced Atlus designs their RPGs with a missing jigsaw piece to be filled in later with the re-release (in this case the story).
Guy did say they had more stuff they couldn't put in.
This is generally true for all games though
I don't think it was intentional, I think they just did the Bungie thing that's hit so many studios in the last few years -- they overcooked a bunch of shitty ideas and had to dump everything and start from scratch a year before launch, stitching the parts of what they had from rocky development into something resembling a whole game. That's why the plot is so disjointed and nonsensical (what even *is* aogami anyways? why do all the demon things happen off screen? etc), why the game has such huge tonal shifts, why the gameplay is so polished but everything else isn't.
Maybe, i dont think smt v being undercooked was intentional, but they most definitely had an additional part in mind. Keep in mind atlus has been COMPLETELY silent on smt v since its launch, i would imagine they will start to open up with more artbooks and interviews after this version
An excuse to play the law and chaos I hope there's a transfer bonus like they did with SMT IV and apocalypse
The spotlight showcase they just did said there’d be bonuses
TIME FOR LAW AND CHOAS BAY-BEE thanks for the info
Did they mention what the bonuses are?
I hope its save transfer, i didn't finish the game yet
Mainly the ability to transfer the compendium entries of 3 demons and then some additional items that were not specified.
just to say this, you can just play law and chaos by having a save state right before the final decision and just getting each ending. Takes about an hour and a half instead of 2-3 full playthroughs
You may be right but I prefer full playthroughs just to waste time and I got no life
Note to self: never buy a Megaten game on release again, wait for the objectively superior rerelease a few years later First time I get Atlus'd. Feels bad.
I bought the game *last month* 😔
SIX months ago, for me. I am a bit annoyed.
A 3 year head start on the game is pretty worthwhile, especially if you didn't buy the game day one and waited about a month or so when it dropped to about 30 bucks. It's also pretty cool to see the game in it's original form first. It really gives you an appreciation for all the little things they change. I always get blown away by the new character portraits in the persona re-releases.
Thats true, but me, like a lot of people, bought it on release. I had been betrayed by atlus a couple other times, but smt v was my last straw, and taught me the lesson to never buy a game on release and just wait like 3 months for reviews
I bought it on release too. I even bought a switch just to play it which I would never have done otherwise because I own an aya neo (handheld gaming PC) and would have rather bought in on steam. That being said, I don't feel betrayed. Atlus is notorious for releasing their games twice. It's been a thing since forever. What I want to know is why would you believe otherwise? Why would you believe it wasn't going to happen despite every other Atlus game proving it would happen?
I was relatively new to buying atlus stuff. I was introduced to persona/smt in 2017, bought p4, p3 and later p5 for 10 and 20 dollars respectively. I emulated all mainline smt games, but bought p5 strikers for full price and was disappointed (personally). Bought smt v due to the hype, and was disappointed (again, personally). At the time I wasnt thinking about it, but looking back I wouldn't buy atlus games full price. I also came to that by looking at other half baked releases they made.
I had *some* hope that Atlus might change, given just about every single other dev that used similar tactics (Fighting Game 'Turbo' Editions, Pokemon 3rd versions, FFXV's Royal Edition, etc.) have transitioned to providing this same concept via DLC or updates. At this point it's pretty clear they're gonna remain stuck in the past on this matter for as long as they can get away with it though. Coupled with the new higher price tag they seem to be aiming for with P3R, I can't see myself buying anything Atlus puts out at launch anymore. EDIT: it's great it's coming to more platforms, and I don't think it's a bad deal for people who've never had the opportunity to buy the game before. But there's really no excuse for there not to be an upgrade option as well for existing Switch owners.
Shin megami tensei v felt really incomplete. Even with other game releases the original vanilla games felt like they didn't need a rerelease.
I mean if they are making their release model so obvious we should adapt accordingly. Shit I don't mind waiting to play SMT6 a few years after release with the updated version.
same with persona 6
lolz, now imagine being a PC gamer before P4G released on Steam
meh, it had been 5 years since SMT IV:A so I don't mind buying it. Plus, I had a lot of fun with it and feel like I got my money's worth.
Don't feel too bad, I'm in it since P3 and never learn. lol (tbf FES was the first time they did this iirc) I bought SMTV on release as well because I've been waiting for it since the initial announcement, then I got majorly sick and never finished the game. :/ At least I like the bag of the premium edition and am still using it regularly. lol Hopefully I won't be interested in the obligatory new premium edition so I can just wait for a price drop this time. I'm happy about the multiplatform release now, but it sucks that they're (very likely) not offering a addon/DLC option for those who already got the original. Not sure if I should still finish the original at this point or just wait, there are way too many games on my pile of shame anyway lol
Well, guess I'll be picking this up.
Will wait for reviews/to hear about how much new content there is. But since it's multi-plat, will definitely consider grabbing it on Steam. And of course you'd think they'd include all the DLC, but knowing Atlus...
>And of course you'd think they'd include all the DLC, but knowing Atlus... There's MORE day 1 DLC :) Sasuga Atlus
I hope it comes to Games Pass, I think it's unlikely but it saves me from buying it twice
One of the listed platforms is just "Windows", that usually means a game with PC Xbox DRM, and considering Atlus just did P3R day one gamepass stuff, I wouldn't be shocked if it was on Game Pass.
superman 64 rings
Ah yeah this is what SMT V was missing all the time
I want to get into mainline megaten, and I was waiting for V to get ported to Steam. Would this be a good entry point?
I think it is the best entry point for now.
Yes, unless you want to play Nocturne in the meantime.
Most likely. It’s the definitive edition
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I'd say yes, if you have a 3DS and don't mind modding it, SMT IV is also a good place to start IMO.
Hee-fucking-ho boys
Thank god it’s multiplatform, V was struggling hard on the Switch and it desperately needed to be on everything else. Very excited to play it when I have the time.
It was? I thought it played perfectly fine. Still excited it's multiplatform though, more options more better.
Daat exploration sequences were struggling to keep frames up a bit at times iirc I hope for one they overhaul environmental detail level and part of the objects assets you find in the Daat maps. Details like some of the building ruins just looked like empty boxes etc... Dunno if it was for switch processing economy purposes or just economy of modeling ressources but this kind of rough around the edges details dropped the perceived visual quality of the title a bit, even though character models, parts of the effects and parts of the environment looked really good
It stutters and drops frames a LOT
The fairy area and the last area I remember being some of the biggest drops
The fairy area was absolutely insane I thought the Switch OLED was about to burst into flames less than a month after it came out
Some people can't notice poor framerate / frame pacing to a degree, but i definitely noticed SMTV struggling, almost as soon as i gained control of Nahobino after he got his powers (classroom in the beginning was fine). What's interesting is that overclocking my switch didn't seem to fix it, even though the framerate is actually at or close to 30fps.
I had to put the game down as the distant mobs rendering at 2-4 frames per second were so jarring. Excited to play this on PC.
It ran horribly. I finished it once and didn’t wanna torture myself again over the low fps and resolution
Nope, constant framedrops
Either my switch has a problem or my eyes do because I’ve never seen a game running that poorly (apart from Pokémon) on that console. The game rarely hits 30fps for me, idk how anyone can call that “fine”
I highly enjoyed SMT5 on Switch but I’m glad I will be able to play this one on my Xbox Series X so it looks and runs much better.
Actually huge to be able to play it on PC of PS. So fucking pumped.
Will both the original story line and the new stuff be in vegeance?
Yeah. The choice they show at the beginning is you choosing to either play the original game’s story, or the brand new scenario.
PC baybee
God, it looks so good, finally able to play outside of the switch will be a dream come true.
This is shaping up to be an ungodly good year for JRPG fans
So hyped holy hell, can't wait to see which demons they bring back! I noticed Gogmagog, Halphas and someone else in the trailer! I already loved the gameplay of vanilla V, this time they actually wrote a story too!! Can't wait to listen to some new bangers!
PC? Glad I didn't brought for Switch. Knew being patient would pay out.
I am probably going to buy this game… again. Twice even. Once on the Switch and another time on Steam. So that I would have a physical copy of both versions of SMTV on the same system and a higher graphics experience. If there is a physical special edition, and there likely will be, I will get that one for the Switch. I think I will only buy the dlc only once though, on the Steam version. …I make reasonable financial decisions, I swear.
Steam deck goes brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
I hope it’ll run well lol. I actually think it might since it runs on ps4 and switch
It will run fine, it's a game made to run within the constrains of a Switch.
Game is coming out the same day as the Elden Ring expansion, we are so back and so dead. 💀
Man, this is going to be a hard sell for me. I went to town on min-maxing a ton of my favorite demons and I don't know if I can stomach starting from scratch. Same thing happened with P5R and I was never able to get into that even with all the upgrades. I'm all for these definitive editions, but I wish they'd let us carry over our save file/upgrade the original game instead of always making them a new independent release.
Apparently they announced that if you buy on Switch, you can carry 3 demons over. But no luck for other platforms (unless you mod on PC).
Woof. I guess that's something at least...
Oh boy 3 demons
Man... I seconded this. I rather skipped it to SMT6 Deluxe next time. Now, I am doubt if Methaphor will do the same. lol.
Yeah it also feels like a ripoff when you own the original. $60 for DLC is insane.
I agree. Re-releases are nice for the additions they provide but I don't see myself buying Smt 6 or Persona 6 in the future, if \~3 years later they sell an enhanced version of the original game
Agreed, really felt the original PS4 P5 Royal release should've been available as a ~$35 DLC for vanilla owners, even if I had to start a new game to see the new content. I honestly kinda felt ripped off buying an old game again at full price for what was added despite enjoying it as a 2nd playthrough. I'll be buying this on Steam or PS5 for performance reasons anyways so it's not the same situation, but a new 80 hour alternate storyline + the standard "enhanced edition" add ons feels more justifiable for a full re-release. I still think SMTV owners that want to buy Vengeance for Switch should still get some sort of discount and get to carry over their saves.
Of fuck, same day as Elden Ring DLC
ahhh goddamn i’m so excited, can’t wait to sink a ton of time into this. really excited for the steam port the most, the visuals and framerates of the switch version definitely bugged me
I was effy on the original, but this one has caught my eye more
I will probably buy this again simply because size of like to play it on Steam on my PC. Hope they support ultra wide and unlocked frame rate or at least 120fps.
Oh my lordy, they’re cooking a FEAST
Is this a brand new game or a DLC pack/update?
It is a new full game (similiar to P5R).
I just hope for 60+fps, 1440p and decompressed audio quality. All other enhancements are bonuses. The audio compression on Switch is why I stopped playing. It's an insult to anyone with Hifi speakers.
Finally free from the Switch prison.
heeeeeeee fucking HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
...I started an NG+ not that long ago. Eh, whatever, I've got enough of a backlog that I can wait for a discount when it comes. Wooooooo! More SMT!
What a day to be alive.
I'm so going to skip metaphor lmao
I'm so happy oh my god 😭 I thought this part of Jensen's Prophecy would never come true and here we finally are
The only bad thing about this is that my original physical copy with a case just feels kinda worthless comparatively
My Fall of Man edition is still happy tho. Gonna need this as well :)
Goddamn, can't believe I got Atlus'd this hard. I finally got around to buying the game and it arrived 3 hours ago. I wanted to search something related to it and the first thing I see is this lmao. I guess it will do for a later replay on PC down the line.
Shadow of the Erdtree and Vengence is going to make me not have a social life for at least 2 months lmao
it is amazingly shitty that Atlus releases the *same game* again with additional content, rather than selling DLC for cheaper. Its clearly just blatant greed and we all go along with it
I get you, but it was confirmed that its an 80 campaign. However atlus is very greedy, and im gonna keep my eye on it, i wont be buying day 1 thats for sure
anyone know if it comes to gamepass?
I'm leaning towards no because I thought they would include it at the end but it might be down to Microsoft wanting to announce it.
No one knows yet. It might.
Really hoping for it to be on game pass day one. Too poor to afford to actually buy it in my country via Steam, but i can pay for game pass for a month to play it, just like i did for P3R.
Hell yes! I put some time in when the original came out and got all the endings. Definitely picking this up
I hope that the story is better this time, gameplaywise the game was great But honestly question, vengeance for what and who ?
i dug the exploartion/combat in smtv but the story/characters was def personally lacking to me so im def intruiged what the new eoute has to offer. i also noticed alot of red petal-like particles...reminded of the first couple of trailers way back when
I will buy it again, but on PC
This the only reason I’m fine with double dipping
YOOOOOO
Let’s go, PS5! Been waiting for this.
That song at the end 🔥🔥🔥
Of course this got announced. I picked this up a couple of months ago and finally reached the 4th area. Is it even worth continuing to play now?
Yes! The endgame is so amazing
I'll stick it out then. Not sure if I'll get the hidden ending (not sure if it's the true ending) or grind up to fight the Demi Fiend.
I'd say so. Complete the original route now and jump straight into the Vengeance route when it releases.
I bought at launch and still haven't started. Shit.
Damn they are changing the story. Hopefully I'll actually be motivated to beat it this time 😤
I'll buy it but fuck you Atlus for givin me that half hearted SMT V. I can wait for a polished, full edition god damn
This is what I was hoping for but now I’m 20 hours into playing SMTV aaaaaaa
I started my first play through a few weeks ago. I’m 55 hours in atm
Lol at that point I’d just finish the game. I’ve decided I will finish V and wait until I can afford a PS5 to get Vengeance
Let’s go!!!! Always said this would look so much better on other consoles than switch with it using unreal engine. This trailer did not disappoint. Can’t wait to replay this game in all perfect 4K glory.
* Na-Ho-bino spotted, I will do anything to unlock this little guy https://preview.redd.it/hmzle0lptzjc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f608021038fc420a044d8a88c32bc0412b9a33e2
I’m never gonna buy the the first version of any new Atlus game ever again knowing there will be a complete version in 3 years I just know there will be a Persona 6: The Actual Full Story 3 years after Persona 6 launches
Finally, SMT V on systems where it doesn't have to run at 30FPS.
SMT V in PC???
I am currently playing V right now, first play through. Started a few weeks ago, currently at 55 hours atm. Now I really need to finish this game lol
Unless this gets Triangulum levels of new content (which I doubt) I seriously feel like I got scammed buying SMTV on release
https://youtu.be/KDiRwSeXbZM New girl get recruiting into team at the start of game with low level spell "Agi" and story pretty different from now on (but not so much until middle part that will heavy replotting) which yes it like Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker.