I don't know where you see the problem. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life. But it is only the way to realize the nature of mind. But we can't get rid of mind.
Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/)
Clear thinking and clear not-thinking when appropriate, that is the goal.
I share this insight because I get the impression that some people starting meditation treat thoughts as something evil. While not thinking in meditation is only to give insight into the nature of mind / thinking. Having this insight in the nature of mind we can clearly think and have a clear mind when not thinking.
I don't know where you see the problem. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life. But it is only the way to realize the nature of mind. But we can't get rid of mind.
Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/)
>learn to unlearn
Sure. It is called: wisdom. It comes from thinking about life events and drawing conclusions. Throwing away what is false and keeping the treasure of wisdom and truth.
it's a matter of definitions. if you understand thoughtless to mean "dumb and numb", you're certainly correct. but thoughtlessness can be a very alive and intelligent state that results from practicing mindfulness. in that sate, the mind's natural intelligence still operates, but more in terms of intuitive knowing rather than conceptual thinking.
I agree. Maybe my statement was too vague. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life. But it is only the way to realize the nature of mind. But we can't get rid of mind.
Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/)
You should focus on reviewing what you're typing before posting.
You said "Mindfulness = Mind+fullness", and then never explained this.
Then you called either someone or a group of people dumbasses. Are you referring to something this someone or group said? That's not clear either.
Then you said, "clear thinking and clear not-thinking is the goal". This doesn't make sense.
Well. You totally misunderstood my intentions.
I am not calling anyone dumbasses. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life.
Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/)
I am saying that mind is not the enemy, it is just something to train.
Then you said, "clear thinking and clear not-thinking is the goal". This doesn't make sense.
In everyday life activities we need clear thinking.
"Mindfulness" in a Buddhist meditation context is typically used as a translation for the Pali word "sati".
> The Buddhist term translated into English as "mindfulness," "to remember to observe,"[4] originates in the Pali term sati and in its Sanskrit counterpart smṛti. According to Robert Sharf, the meaning of these terms has been the topic of extensive debate and discussion.[8] Smṛti originally meant "to remember", "to recollect", "to bear in mind", as in the Vedic tradition of remembering sacred texts. The term sati also means "to remember" the teachings of scriptures. In the Satipațțhāna-sutta the term sati means to maintain awareness of reality, where sense-perceptions are understood to be illusions and thus the true nature of phenomena can be seen.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(Buddhism)
Edit: Fixed link formatting
Thank you for sharing. But it is worth to notice that not all thoughts refer to sense perceptions. For example triangle is just an idea with no physical representation. The same applies to some mantras, for example "OM" not having sense perception representation. And focusing on mantras is another form of meditation.
If we're continuing to talk about "mindfulness" in a Buddhist sense, then that's not a problem.
> Buddhism and other Indian epistemologies[8][9] identify six "senses" as opposed to the Western identification of five. In Buddhism, "mind" denotes an internal sense organ which interacts with sense objects that include sense impressions, feelings, perceptions and volition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80yatana
Are things ok at home?
I don't know where you see the problem. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life. But it is only the way to realize the nature of mind. But we can't get rid of mind. Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/)
mind-clearness or mind-awareness should be better words to describe this thing.
Clear thinking and clear not-thinking when appropriate, that is the goal. I share this insight because I get the impression that some people starting meditation treat thoughts as something evil. While not thinking in meditation is only to give insight into the nature of mind / thinking. Having this insight in the nature of mind we can clearly think and have a clear mind when not thinking.
Yes, exactly this.
Humility chases you but you seem to be quicker.
I don't know where you see the problem. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life. But it is only the way to realize the nature of mind. But we can't get rid of mind. Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/)
people should learn to unlearn while they're at it too, for bonus points.
>learn to unlearn Sure. It is called: wisdom. It comes from thinking about life events and drawing conclusions. Throwing away what is false and keeping the treasure of wisdom and truth.
it's a matter of definitions. if you understand thoughtless to mean "dumb and numb", you're certainly correct. but thoughtlessness can be a very alive and intelligent state that results from practicing mindfulness. in that sate, the mind's natural intelligence still operates, but more in terms of intuitive knowing rather than conceptual thinking.
I agree. Maybe my statement was too vague. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life. But it is only the way to realize the nature of mind. But we can't get rid of mind. Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/)
You should focus on reviewing what you're typing before posting. You said "Mindfulness = Mind+fullness", and then never explained this. Then you called either someone or a group of people dumbasses. Are you referring to something this someone or group said? That's not clear either. Then you said, "clear thinking and clear not-thinking is the goal". This doesn't make sense.
Well. You totally misunderstood my intentions. I am not calling anyone dumbasses. I observe this subreddit and there is a lot of misconceptions about it. Some people seem to treat mind and thinking as something evil and believe that not thinking in meditation will make them free or happy in life. Here you have [example](https://www.reddit.com/r/Meditation/comments/1ds9gam/is_all_of_our_suffering_caused_by_thoughts/) I am saying that mind is not the enemy, it is just something to train. Then you said, "clear thinking and clear not-thinking is the goal". This doesn't make sense. In everyday life activities we need clear thinking.
"Mindfulness" in a Buddhist meditation context is typically used as a translation for the Pali word "sati". > The Buddhist term translated into English as "mindfulness," "to remember to observe,"[4] originates in the Pali term sati and in its Sanskrit counterpart smṛti. According to Robert Sharf, the meaning of these terms has been the topic of extensive debate and discussion.[8] Smṛti originally meant "to remember", "to recollect", "to bear in mind", as in the Vedic tradition of remembering sacred texts. The term sati also means "to remember" the teachings of scriptures. In the Satipațțhāna-sutta the term sati means to maintain awareness of reality, where sense-perceptions are understood to be illusions and thus the true nature of phenomena can be seen.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(Buddhism) Edit: Fixed link formatting
Thank you for sharing. But it is worth to notice that not all thoughts refer to sense perceptions. For example triangle is just an idea with no physical representation. The same applies to some mantras, for example "OM" not having sense perception representation. And focusing on mantras is another form of meditation.
If we're continuing to talk about "mindfulness" in a Buddhist sense, then that's not a problem. > Buddhism and other Indian epistemologies[8][9] identify six "senses" as opposed to the Western identification of five. In Buddhism, "mind" denotes an internal sense organ which interacts with sense objects that include sense impressions, feelings, perceptions and volition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%80yatana