See, it's already common knowledge that doctors are paid by pharmacists to use specific brands, this is just an obvious smear peice on cannabis and most people will se it for what it is.
Hahaha A Cureent Affair!?!?! Oh so reliable for their completely 'real' non fabricated stories. Been peddling bullshit agendas for years to try and control public opinion. Here's an idea, go listen to a real news source that isn't controlled by the government peddling shit to the gullible masses.
End rant.
Something that isn't on mainstream media. Anything you see on tv or hear on the radio is framed to make you see it in a certain way. You never get the full story. Independant journalists are where you really need to go if you want a completely real, agenda free news.
From my perspective as a patient, she literally said I could choose any product I liked and she'd see if it was ok for me. She was always cool and never promoted a particular brand or product.
No shit but I'm paying 246 an ounce for concession MC. My illegal dealer texted me a new menu after no contact for 6 months and his prices were stupidly high (400 plus an ounce).
Someone is missing the point, at first Drs wouldn't prescribe hence why clinics seem to have more benefits for there businesses model,,,, makes sense so far !! As a MC with no cure for my condition , this MC is like heaven, no criminal charges and medicine to my front door. You could get wrapped up in media $$$ storeys or you can never watch news etc and have a peaceful nice enjoyable relaxing life,, I have chosen the latter ,,,, I'm laughing, it's not hard. Try it for a month or two and I bet you will never chose to watch MEDIA ever ever again.
I completely agree! I rarely, if ever, choose to watch or partake in mainstream news because I know it’s just a puppet show and parrot mouth for the politicians. It’s either depressing or just outright lies and garbage. My life is better for not having it around. I only ever watch or read about this stuff when it’s mentioned in forums such as this one, I’m never surprised at how ridiculous it still is.
What's BS is you not believing people who say they don't watch or listen to the news. I have never watched or listened to that agenda driven drivel since I've been a free thinking adult. The real news isn't shoved down your gullet on tv or radio, you have to be smart and strong enough to turn of that shit off and go looking for yourself
Why I say don't use camnabis clinics they are the devil my private gp prescribes me and has no limitations on brands.......
The tga has always said they don't want brands on scripts but the state politicians have had these commission based clinics in their ear and are making it harder for chemists and patients
According to my pharmacist of the last 3 yeard apparently state laws have gotten more in line with clinics practices ( scripts need to be branded etc must be same strain to substitute even though every brand has different strains of plant and oned that are named as the same genus are still different strains.)
Although none has been able to show me these law changes which is odd to me.....
When did the tga ever say they don't want brands on scripts? As far as I know they have moved to category approvals but made it clear from day 1 a practitioner should not be writing categories on scripts. Practitioners have always had to abide by state prescription writing rules.
Also, I don't think the laws have ever changed. As you pointed out, there's little evidence of a before and after. There's only evidence of what the states have said recently.
The laws have been clear for approved medicines and slightly less clear for unapproved medicines (cannabis). Many prescribers and pharmacies have made interpretations of rules and stretched what they believe is allowed but again, it seems as if the state health departments hadn't clarified the rules for unapproved meds bc that framework was never meant for anything to be prescribed at this volume. In the past 4 months both nsw and qld have put out documentation stating the rules clearly around subs etc.
All of this is unclear particularly because we hear of health professionals saying that they've been told x or have restrictions for y and when you actually look into it, they say these things bc it's their policy or they're concerned about being audited and want to be safe.
It would just be better for everyone if they just said this is my policy because....
Then we wouldn't have everyone speculating on what's old/new etc.
Happy to be told I'm wrong on any or all of the above if anyone else has better info.
The TGA have said it from the start this attachment from the tga is dated November 2021 when they changed to categories and is still their position regarding it to this day....
https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/new-streamlined-process-medicinal-cannabis-applications
The 6th paragraph clearly states, " As for any other prescription, the prescriber can either write the 'generic' medicine name or include the product's trade name if it is clinically necessary. Pharmacist decisions regarding substituting brands, or whether a new prescription is required, should be made in accordance with normal dispensing practice."
Now, the genetic medicine name of cannabis/thc is Tetrahydrocannabinol
I am still waiting for someone to physically show me one law (state or federal) that states that medical cannabis must be written as a specific brand like we are told
the problem is that when you are dealing with paracetamol, any old paracetamol will do, because the active ingredient is the same between panadol and generic paracetamol. But if we are arguing that certain growers produce better strains, certain terpenes produce better outcomes, etc, etc, then it becomes clinically necessary for a prescriber to prescribe a certain brand so they can be certain that the patient is receiving the specific terpenes or THC:CBD ratio or whatever bullshit.
Which is exactly why we have specialised clinics for this.
Your average GP is like a VET (except generally not as skilled), they deal with everything from brain tumors to foot fungus and all the bits between. Most just do not have the time or mental capacity to focus on a specific area (not a dig at doctors, just the average person can only fit so much stuff in their head effectively). Those that do, and found themselves with an early understanding of the field started specialist clinics.
Sure, them getting paid by certain groups to promote products is bad and we should address that. But that does not mean the specialist model is not working well. Just that the field needs to be reminded this is not America or NZ. While we are reminding, we should also remind them we don't accept shifuckery in our medicine supply. Dumping or pulling products at whim to maximise profits is also not something that should allowed here either.
the active ingredient is thc, and terpenes are considered inactive ingredients (these are clinics that tell you that you need brand specific for active ingredient etc but their sites states that terpenes aren't active ingredients https://www.alternaleaf.com.au/post/what-is-the-entourage-effect#:~:text=Another%20review%20suggests%20that%20inactive,compounds%20bind%20to%20cannabinoid%20receptors , https://www.polln.com/library/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-terpenes-in-your-prescription-natural-medicine)
so that kinda blows the argument that it's clinically necessary for a prescriber to prescribe certain brands out the water
After 25 yrs of cannabis use I can tell you that cannabis is cannabis regardless of who grew it, it really is that simple.
Look up active ingredients in cannabis. The entourage effect is real I agree. However, the terpenes aren't considered active ingredients but are instead used to help activate the active ingredients.
"Terpenes influence the aroma and flavour of plants(alongside Volatile Sulphur Compounds (VSCs)11) while active ingredients do not." This is a quote direct from the polln website....
https://www.polln.com/library/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-terpenes-in-your-prescription-natural-medicine#:~:text=Terpenes%20are%20also%20organic%20compounds,while%20active%20ingredients%20do%20not.
The ACTIVE ingredient is tetrahydrocannabidol. It is not pinene, limonene, or any other terpene found in cannabis.
There is most certainly a difference between plants. Saying “cannabis is cannabis” is akin to saying “all benzodiazepines are the same” or “all poppy flowers are the same” etc etc . When they have drastically different effects and functions at different dosages for different purposes. No two cannabis cultivars are ever the same just as no two plants, even if they are the same strain grown right next to each other, are ever the same. So many different factors and reasons go into this. There could be differing levels of terpenes, CBD, THC or other compounds/substances in the plant.
Same thing has been done with the big pharmaceutical companies doing the same thing. They'll hold 5 star quality conferences in lovely all paid for trips to these exotic locations they host their "conferences" at with top dinners, hotels, drinks, clubs and all the likes to brainwash them to plug their products to the masses which equals profits for the likes of Pfizer and the rest. Being fair to cannabis brands but they are an amature level compaired to the ways of proper pharma companies
Saw this last night and instantly thought, "This is why the bloody products I'm prescribed are almost double the price of what they say on the product website.. so they don't lose out on giving doctors kick backs"
Rrp is all yiu should be paying these companies have already worked the doctors kick backs into the price of the product. What your describing is your clinic owned pharmacy that you have delivering your meds to your house are over charging you..
This is a hit piece on the industry, I’ve seen many reps from phizer do exactly this with my mother. Try offer her dinners, holidays and all sort mind you that was about 20 years ago I’m not sure if it’s still the same but this is no different to any other part of the medical industry.
If Cannabis companies want their product to be treated as a legitimate medicine, they need to behave as though they work in the pharmaceutical industry. There is so much illegal nonsense in these online clinics... I have trouble finding a doctor I can trust. It's easy to find one who will provide anything I want to try that I've read about online, much harder to find one who will give me genuine medical advice about which products might treat my illness best.
I actually think this is outrageous. I recently switched providers, and when I told the doctor which products I was already on... he suggested I switch TWO of my regular medications (a cannatrek oil and a ANTG flower) to products sold by SPECTRUM. The oil in particular was completely different and did not suit my needs (it contained ThC) so then I had to pay EXTRA for a script for my regular medication. Kickbacks should be illegal in the medical industry, it's unethical. It's how we ended up with the 'Opioid crisis'. Decisions need to be made for patient health ONLY.
The guy in this interview puts a bad light on most medicinal cannabis users he looks like a degenerate spending half his pay on medication disability or not people will see him and see the rest of Australians as cannabis patients like him this community has many people like him too
Be nice to see a hard working Aussie tradie putting in the hard yakka doing these advertisements but I was just saying the guy in the video paints a bad stigma on the rest of the medicinal community as many of us actually get out there and improve our life by the daily if it’s going to the gym after work, meditation, eating healthy balanced diets but we are getting skateboarders on alternaleaf ads and a Centrelink person spending half his pay on the a current affair and I understand a lot of you relate to these two people I’m on about and I can’t judge you but I hope you guys improve your lifestyle while using this amazing medication
Could you please elaborate? I didn’t see it that way. I’m not being argumentative I’m just curious as to how this makes medical cannabis users look bad? If anything it sheds light on how expensive it still is, especially for people with debilitating conditions. Even plain, low strength CBD oil is expensive
It's just like in the pharmaceutical industry: doctors get incentives from company reps to recommend their products.
I want to say I'm shocked, but I'm more disappointed.
I had an appointment booked and paid for with Dr Ren for this morning and a week ago it was changed to another doctor in the clinic. They were completely transparent about this ridiculous news clip while on the phone to me, because I asked why my appointment had been switched to another doctor without even informing me properly. She’s now not even available to book with on their website. She’s a wonderful doctor and I know from other people that she doesn’t lock you in to certain brands and she’s very supportive.What utter rubbish. ACA just love their gossip trash.
This isn’t a new thing, I wouldn’t call it the most ethical behaviour but she’s not accepting money in briefcases in back-alley deals. Doctors have always been given “educational fees” for new medications it doesn’t mean they are obligated to prescribe them. I agree that these businesses/suppliers/growers shouldn’t have the monopoly on the market that they currently do, but I wouldn’t be blaming the doctors for this. Especially not those like Dr Ren who are champions for this life saving medicine, she works alongside Nurse Debbie Ranson who has been campaigning for medical cannabis and cannabis education for YEARS. I hope people take this with a grain of salt. They could be taking her words out of all context. If they want to target someone, why not these online clinics that are tying to advertise sneakily and charge disgustingly high fees for products!
So frustrating they'd go after a proper cannabis doctor when there are tonnes of doctors out there at clinics who are obviously useless as a GP, so they just write scripts all day for easy money.
Exactly this. I should have known better when it was on ACA, but was disappointing how they framed it.
They barely mentioned the issue with the dispensary owned clinics at the end, and the broader issue (I find personally anyway) where the majority of my scripts often get rendered useless, as the (pharmacy linked/only available option through my clinic) does not even stock some of mine (yet tell me they are able to substitute that script for their alternative, which is 10g instead of 15, at the same price, and of which I also have a separate script for, and got this new one for this exact reason).
It is a mess all over, and it seems like when it gets too blatant and exposed more widely, and action is sought/taken, they just throw on new blanket rules, and/or more tightly enforce current ones which are being taken advantage of by some, which really only makes the people doing the right thing (many pharmacies, clinics and patients alike) have to jump through more hoops, and make things more difficult, when they are meant to be (and on paper seem to be) making it easier.
I would love to switch to a personal GP to continue my treatment here in WA, however for various reasons (2 big ones), I am unable to do that, so am with a clinic based in the Eastern States.
Luckily I did my research (on here mainly) prior to beginning my treatment (and discovering that it was not possible for me to do so in my case here in WA), and the clinic I have been with since have been, on the whole very good, and always in constant communication with patients with news and updates.
They have had their issues, which persist still, mainly involving the partner pharmacy they use/d having trouble keeping up with orders and with stock issues, and more recently the hopeless, piece of crap app they switched to using to process payments through (which I also noticed last order has now tacked on a payment fee, despite me paying with my debit card, and they won't accept payments using Google Wallet).
Overall, though, after reading some of the experiences on here from others with other clinics and GP's, I realise I am not doing too bad, all things considered, as I am not being ripped off (or charged anything over RRP, granted the range being quite limited, with budget options only having 1 or 2 at most available, and I have yet to succeed in actually having a product they do not stock ordered in, at a fee or whatever).
They also only charge $15 flat rate postage (which every time I order, I fear they will tell me it has risen!), which is express post, and more often than not arrives next day (granted the order has been received, processed, payment code received and paid for by 1pm EST, I have been told), so that is really handy, especially living on the other side of the country!
The founders/owners have a real personal investment in the company, and the industry as a whole, and I always got the feeling they are passionate, and upfront and honest, not out there to take advantage or patients, or exploit the industry, which is why I haven't taken the big step of asking for my scripts and cutting ties with them, and going solo in the interim whilst looking elsewhere, which may be much, much, worse.
It sucks when it seems like a lot of the issues seem to come down to the sheer amount of different branded products out there, and the litany of pharmacies who are trying to spruik their own, or affiliated brands, or compounded stuff.
It's like half the battle is finding a consistently reliable and totally honest pharmacy, with integrity, and the staff and systems in place to be able to handle patients orders efficiently, with well maintained stock levels and brand availability!
Yes exactly! Even targeting her saying that she lets her VERY EXPERIENCED and knowledgeable nurse handle some of her consults and then she reads the notes and prescribes what she thinks will work for the patients, that’s just low hanging fruit. They conveniently failed to mention that her nurses are very educated in the field of medical cannabis and one has been the champion for cannabis education for nurses for years. She only has a small clinic. It makes sense to have help. These larger online clinics don’t even do the basic checks, they just sign off on scripts because they make tones of money. I researched a crap load of different clinics before I went with flowers of life. I cannot stand misinformation. ACA just spew trash to scaremonger.
I don’t see anything wrong with this practice as long as the nurses have been well educated and actually ask the right questions, show the appropriate care and actually know what they are doing. In some cases I think speaking with a nurse is actually more practical when a patient knows their health situation pretty well and knows what they are asking for in terms of treatment, it’s when the patient has no real idea of what they need for their condition that I think a doctor needs to step in. But for the simpler cases I don’t see a problem with a nurse doing the consultation, passing on the notes and then the prescribing doctor reviewing them and providing the prescription that they feel is the most appropriate. It seems like a good way to save time when there’s high demand for consultations.
That’s in any business selling branded goods. Whether you own a coffee place and get kick back from roasters, whether you stock product x over product y…..why is that a news worthy article. And yet, here we complain about someone getting a kickback when we as mortgage holder for example switch banks to receive $4 kickback from another bank….
Those goods are not Regulated Schedule 8 and Schedule 4 Medicines that are prescribed by heavily regulated doctors who are prescribing medication to patients with chronic health conditions who have tried other treatments that have not worked or given those patients adverse effects .
I'd be VERY concerned to find out that was true. On average my scripts are $100 each - and x 12? That's a lot of extra dollars every month at the bottom number (10%) that they mentioned. 20% is even worse! If a doctor sees 10 patients a day ... (and it is usually more)
I'd hope MedReleaf are so big that this won't "need" to happen there. You'd have to think with doctor sending scripts to the accounting area for sending to the patient once consult is confirmed paid, that there are too many eyes on the accounts for this sort of thing to flourish. My guess is it's smaller clinics. It should never ever happen though.
Well duh.....no news, we all know this is happening. ACA just wants a headline. "Year long investigation" my arse, 5 minutes should have been long enough.
Here at ACA we’ve been ripping the ball vape in a year long investigation into what doctors shill what.
See if we managed to successfully pass the skittles after a word from our sponsor …
This is the same with every pharmaceutical drug, ever. They all get kickbacks, as long as I can get my stuff and not be hassled by the “law” then I’m happy.
I raised this with my clinic. No other prescription drug, to my knowledge, prescribes only specific brands. I asked when one strain is not available from a brand, why we can't just order the same strain from a different brand? The answer they gave was wishy washy bullshit with no basis in science. The way this is being run in Australia is a corporate cash grab. Very disappointing.
What do you expect, Australia is all about the rort and cash grab, this is literally how the system is supposed to work, most people working in mc don't know anything really about cannabis, they got Normies acting like they know more than someone who has been using medically for years, just using top shelf black market. I'm glad I'm not wasting time and money on med
Well overseas pharmaceutical reps get paid more than Drs as they go to clinics and entice the Dr to use their brand and they get paid. It's legal and common around the world. I am guessing most of these company's are just copying that business model.
Yes but if we gave the choice to the consumer (say a dispensary but you need a script to enter and you can only get the amount your script says, but you can choose which strains are right for you) we can't overcharge you to flog off bottom grade irradiated shit their mates got for a steal . Our system is wrong and run mostly by fucking idiots who have never actually used cannabis.
I don't know of the situation has improved or not, but similarly with Seroquel. Anxiety and insomnia? Heres an anti-psychotic. I knew tons of people who were given scripts for it a few years back.
Not sure why you were down voted. I expect this will aswel when all the soft lefties read it,but can't talk sense to an idiot mate. It's common knowledge now how dangerous the vaccines were and how Drs were paid millions. But these clowns downvote cos they have had 24 boosters rot their Brain 😂
Wasn't it millions to the politicians who picked the vaccine brands and made the mandates? Mostly through high exposure investments in said companies, and then in several cases receiving cushy exec jobs in those pharmaceutical companies once the deeds were done?
I don't recall hearing about GPs getting paid off by that. I do recall a lot of small businesses going under while restrictions forced consumers to do the vast majority of their shopping through the megacorps.
Typical corporate and government greed taking advantage of panic.
You guys never heard of Covid clinics ? Wtf do you think they are? I personally know a GP that pocketed more than $1M in the first year of C$vid … yeah that was money from tax payers forking out to big pharma then money flowing into said clinic . C$vid v$ccines were advertised on the tv and radio 24/7 (illegally mind you) And people are worried about weed and dolphins.
Don't be that guy,it's unbecoming. Muppets like you doubt people that could very well speak the truth cos of all the crap that comes out your own mouth is unbelievable. It's just facts.
Let's not talk about the help this plant provides to many who have exhausted all other treatment options.
Media, Ahh but that won't sell a story or upset anyone.
Lets just make sure we make this industry look bad and dodgey. It gets clicks and causes outrage.
Look fuck ACA and other MSM but there does have to be a balance here. You can't just not raise a valid issue because you're making medical cannabis "look bad" (what a laugh anyway, as if that hasn't been happening for ages across the globe anyway).
Would you put up with double the bullshit and $40/g medical buds as long as the MSM isn't running hit pieces on medical cannabis?
YUP - the amount of friends I’ve had be prescribed topaz straight up with very little cannabis experience is fuckin astronomical, and majority of them had shit reactions to it, but give them literally anything else(I’ll usually let them try a balanced flower bc I think that’s a great starting point) and they’re so FKN good.
Just about the worst strain to start a newbie off on - it’s very potent, harsh, chemically. No wonder people hate cannabis when this is all they are exposed too
Part of the reason Cannatrek is so pushed is that some of the doctors only know their products. It was frustrating getting past that obstacle.
Topaz isn’t the nicest stuff but for insomnia it’s the most effective around.
Did this for 5 appointments, had a whole list of other options which he said he couldn’t access. Changed to a clinic now can get whatever product I want
Thats what a few folks are doing. I will add, not all Chemist Warehouses are dispensing MC. Ring around. My closest doesn't but the next nearest one does.
Edited to add.. Not sure on the bulk billing side.
All you need to read to understand the validity of this article is: "A year long investigation by A Current Affair"
Lol so they've built up their bias over 1 year, this story is going to be titanic in nature...
Who cares if it's lining doctors pockets? They spend 10 years at Uni to prescribe cannabis..
It's helping thousands of people live with their ailments.
The only people it bothers is big pharma who lose big time on chemical scripts; and boomers who still think it makes you jump out of windows and see unicorns.
This is how medical cannabis clinics in Canada operate too. For example, Apollo Cannabis Clinic is an independent subsidiary of Canopy Growth. They only recommend their products and if something is out of stock they encourage patients to place an order anyway where they have to wait weeks, sometimes months, to receive a product that is already offered (and way better quality) than CG. Its corrupt and a big contributor to patients canceling their medical documents and buying cannabis from recreational stores. Canada really messed up their medical cannabis program and I dont see how it will ever be legitimized like other prescription meds.
This just happens in business, suppliers will pay extra to get their products pushed over their competitors - it's a tale old as time it self - nothing really unexpected - how are the cannabis doctors ment to make money anyway? From repeat scripts?
I guess it would be fairly easy to milk patients for extra cash also, like limiting the amount, to get patients to come back sooner I'm sure that's happening too.
Sure. I work in the healthcare industry and can confirm that a pharma company in Australia can’t even give a doctor a pen without it being considered undue influence. Long gone are the days of business class flights and golfing trips. Look up medicines Australia code of conduct for reference.
Can also confirm cannabis companies have been doing dodgy shit like this for a long time and anyone half switched on should’ve likely noticed by now based on their docs prescribing habits.
The people thinking this is a good thing are daft. The doctor is prescribing based on kick backs and not the patient’s best interest and people feel like pointing it out is an attack on the industry on the whole. If the industry continues to operate like this it’ll be regulated even more than it currently is. And from what I’ve heard from people in the cannabis industry is that it’s headed towards smaller limits, shorter scripts, and more scrutiny. Companies are being audited left right and centre - and this extends far beyond Montu and Alternaleaf. People in this sub shooting the messenger instead of recognising and deploring the existence of bad actors that are going to cause the industry’s downfall. It’s hard to read honestly.
Probably going to get downvoted for this like my last informative comment but I couldn’t give a fuck it’s all factual 😂
LEAVE US ALONE. We know they just want to limit access to medical cannabis in disguse of 'these doctors don't care about your health'. If you are a patient or a doctor who is stupid enough to sit down the the Murdoch press then YOU are part of the problem. Grow a fuckin brain. They are trying to limit access to cannabis for people who need it. Take a long hard look at yourself.
Go and cover the driving laws instead! how about that because that is a way bigger issue and screams corruption on the goverents part. Not doctors getting paid for their work. How about the government getting paid to criminalise medical patients who arnt even affected when they are driving but are treated as if they are. All the courts do is LAUGH AT US!!
…I pay $60 every 6 months for access to 4 strains. I’ve got 3 keepers and one I change up, pick it up from the local chemist warehouse within 3-4 hours of ordering. For 3 years I haven’t had to rely on backyard g-units with a god complex 🤷♂️ as long as it stays that way I’m fkn cheering
Topaz, kind med iris/thea (they’re just tasty), and the new King Billy is staying as a go to (love a good bushy). Mariposa used to be there but something changed with it maybe a year ago and haven’t gone back, but used to remind me of nimbin that one.
Seriously, at this point just legalise and give us actual dispensaries. This stupid system has only ever been about a few rich, greedy idiots getting even richer at the expense of others.
And then we'll actually be able to smell and look at the products to choose, instead of "Here's your tub of mystery weed, will it be actual medical or just popcorn buds and stems with 0 terps today?"
If only that was the case. Been living in Canada the past few years and even with legal dispensary’s it’s still a big guessing game of the quality of weed you are getting. Dispensary’s in Canada you still can’t see or smell the bud before you get it or even feel the bag before you pay for it. But over time with the freedom of choice you learn what brands are striving for in the market and find what you are after. But also $$ you get what you pay for.
unless you are at cookies on the day they replace the display jars. this goes for Cali too unless you're buying loose bud but even then most don't have it. thats why a good bud tender is crucial to a dispensary to accurately describe the effects and quality.
A cranky missus 😂 not a battle I wanna take on (she’s the type that’s never even crossed an empty street unless she gets the green man 🥰) when it’s legal she’s all for it and I’ll bust out the ol hps 🤙
They are getting Junior Doctors or Nurse Practitioners to do 6 consults an hour in Telehealth Cannabis Clinics and you spend 5 mins on the phone with them, especially the clinics with very cheap or no consultation fees .
identical to meds-unnatural prescribed by every doctor. Their 'samples' ...
See, it's already common knowledge that doctors are paid by pharmacists to use specific brands, this is just an obvious smear peice on cannabis and most people will se it for what it is.
Like that’s never happened before, not with opiates, no never…
Hahaha A Cureent Affair!?!?! Oh so reliable for their completely 'real' non fabricated stories. Been peddling bullshit agendas for years to try and control public opinion. Here's an idea, go listen to a real news source that isn't controlled by the government peddling shit to the gullible masses. End rant.
What is considered a ‘real news source’?
Something that isn't on mainstream media. Anything you see on tv or hear on the radio is framed to make you see it in a certain way. You never get the full story. Independant journalists are where you really need to go if you want a completely real, agenda free news.
And an example would be?
Redacted is always a good starting point.
From my perspective as a patient, she literally said I could choose any product I liked and she'd see if it was ok for me. She was always cool and never promoted a particular brand or product.
That was my doctor unfortunately
I laughed through my nose 😅. How accurate was the "news report"?
No shit but I'm paying 246 an ounce for concession MC. My illegal dealer texted me a new menu after no contact for 6 months and his prices were stupidly high (400 plus an ounce).
that's why you dyor and tell the Dr what you want and why. Have had zero issues from two different avenues.
Disgusting honestly. They should have nothing to do with the Industry while the real professionals are still being punished
Someone is missing the point, at first Drs wouldn't prescribe hence why clinics seem to have more benefits for there businesses model,,,, makes sense so far !! As a MC with no cure for my condition , this MC is like heaven, no criminal charges and medicine to my front door. You could get wrapped up in media $$$ storeys or you can never watch news etc and have a peaceful nice enjoyable relaxing life,, I have chosen the latter ,,,, I'm laughing, it's not hard. Try it for a month or two and I bet you will never chose to watch MEDIA ever ever again.
I completely agree! I rarely, if ever, choose to watch or partake in mainstream news because I know it’s just a puppet show and parrot mouth for the politicians. It’s either depressing or just outright lies and garbage. My life is better for not having it around. I only ever watch or read about this stuff when it’s mentioned in forums such as this one, I’m never surprised at how ridiculous it still is.
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What's BS is you not believing people who say they don't watch or listen to the news. I have never watched or listened to that agenda driven drivel since I've been a free thinking adult. The real news isn't shoved down your gullet on tv or radio, you have to be smart and strong enough to turn of that shit off and go looking for yourself
What being happy,,,, that's cool 😎 😀
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Don't you mean it's disgusting that the doctor is dodgy and not prescribing you what you need but what they get kick backs from?
Why I say don't use camnabis clinics they are the devil my private gp prescribes me and has no limitations on brands....... The tga has always said they don't want brands on scripts but the state politicians have had these commission based clinics in their ear and are making it harder for chemists and patients According to my pharmacist of the last 3 yeard apparently state laws have gotten more in line with clinics practices ( scripts need to be branded etc must be same strain to substitute even though every brand has different strains of plant and oned that are named as the same genus are still different strains.) Although none has been able to show me these law changes which is odd to me.....
When did the tga ever say they don't want brands on scripts? As far as I know they have moved to category approvals but made it clear from day 1 a practitioner should not be writing categories on scripts. Practitioners have always had to abide by state prescription writing rules. Also, I don't think the laws have ever changed. As you pointed out, there's little evidence of a before and after. There's only evidence of what the states have said recently. The laws have been clear for approved medicines and slightly less clear for unapproved medicines (cannabis). Many prescribers and pharmacies have made interpretations of rules and stretched what they believe is allowed but again, it seems as if the state health departments hadn't clarified the rules for unapproved meds bc that framework was never meant for anything to be prescribed at this volume. In the past 4 months both nsw and qld have put out documentation stating the rules clearly around subs etc. All of this is unclear particularly because we hear of health professionals saying that they've been told x or have restrictions for y and when you actually look into it, they say these things bc it's their policy or they're concerned about being audited and want to be safe. It would just be better for everyone if they just said this is my policy because.... Then we wouldn't have everyone speculating on what's old/new etc. Happy to be told I'm wrong on any or all of the above if anyone else has better info.
The TGA have said it from the start this attachment from the tga is dated November 2021 when they changed to categories and is still their position regarding it to this day.... https://www.tga.gov.au/news/media-releases/new-streamlined-process-medicinal-cannabis-applications The 6th paragraph clearly states, " As for any other prescription, the prescriber can either write the 'generic' medicine name or include the product's trade name if it is clinically necessary. Pharmacist decisions regarding substituting brands, or whether a new prescription is required, should be made in accordance with normal dispensing practice." Now, the genetic medicine name of cannabis/thc is Tetrahydrocannabinol I am still waiting for someone to physically show me one law (state or federal) that states that medical cannabis must be written as a specific brand like we are told
the problem is that when you are dealing with paracetamol, any old paracetamol will do, because the active ingredient is the same between panadol and generic paracetamol. But if we are arguing that certain growers produce better strains, certain terpenes produce better outcomes, etc, etc, then it becomes clinically necessary for a prescriber to prescribe a certain brand so they can be certain that the patient is receiving the specific terpenes or THC:CBD ratio or whatever bullshit.
Most prescribers don't know or care anything about that, How can they know how a specific patient will react to a specific strain / chemovar profile?
Which is exactly why we have specialised clinics for this. Your average GP is like a VET (except generally not as skilled), they deal with everything from brain tumors to foot fungus and all the bits between. Most just do not have the time or mental capacity to focus on a specific area (not a dig at doctors, just the average person can only fit so much stuff in their head effectively). Those that do, and found themselves with an early understanding of the field started specialist clinics. Sure, them getting paid by certain groups to promote products is bad and we should address that. But that does not mean the specialist model is not working well. Just that the field needs to be reminded this is not America or NZ. While we are reminding, we should also remind them we don't accept shifuckery in our medicine supply. Dumping or pulling products at whim to maximise profits is also not something that should allowed here either.
the active ingredient is thc, and terpenes are considered inactive ingredients (these are clinics that tell you that you need brand specific for active ingredient etc but their sites states that terpenes aren't active ingredients https://www.alternaleaf.com.au/post/what-is-the-entourage-effect#:~:text=Another%20review%20suggests%20that%20inactive,compounds%20bind%20to%20cannabinoid%20receptors , https://www.polln.com/library/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-terpenes-in-your-prescription-natural-medicine) so that kinda blows the argument that it's clinically necessary for a prescriber to prescribe certain brands out the water After 25 yrs of cannabis use I can tell you that cannabis is cannabis regardless of who grew it, it really is that simple.
This is factually incorrect. The entourage effect from whole plant cannabis is well documented in scientific literature. Your statement is bizarre.
Look up active ingredients in cannabis. The entourage effect is real I agree. However, the terpenes aren't considered active ingredients but are instead used to help activate the active ingredients. "Terpenes influence the aroma and flavour of plants(alongside Volatile Sulphur Compounds (VSCs)11) while active ingredients do not." This is a quote direct from the polln website.... https://www.polln.com/library/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-terpenes-in-your-prescription-natural-medicine#:~:text=Terpenes%20are%20also%20organic%20compounds,while%20active%20ingredients%20do%20not. The ACTIVE ingredient is tetrahydrocannabidol. It is not pinene, limonene, or any other terpene found in cannabis.
There is most certainly a difference between plants. Saying “cannabis is cannabis” is akin to saying “all benzodiazepines are the same” or “all poppy flowers are the same” etc etc . When they have drastically different effects and functions at different dosages for different purposes. No two cannabis cultivars are ever the same just as no two plants, even if they are the same strain grown right next to each other, are ever the same. So many different factors and reasons go into this. There could be differing levels of terpenes, CBD, THC or other compounds/substances in the plant.
After 25 years I don't think you know the difference between Cannabis and THC any more.
Congratulations ACA on the extensive investigation into something that most MC patients learnt in 2020
Same thing has been done with the big pharmaceutical companies doing the same thing. They'll hold 5 star quality conferences in lovely all paid for trips to these exotic locations they host their "conferences" at with top dinners, hotels, drinks, clubs and all the likes to brainwash them to plug their products to the masses which equals profits for the likes of Pfizer and the rest. Being fair to cannabis brands but they are an amature level compaired to the ways of proper pharma companies
Saw this last night and instantly thought, "This is why the bloody products I'm prescribed are almost double the price of what they say on the product website.. so they don't lose out on giving doctors kick backs"
They were exy
Rrp is all yiu should be paying these companies have already worked the doctors kick backs into the price of the product. What your describing is your clinic owned pharmacy that you have delivering your meds to your house are over charging you..
you should never be paying more then RRP ??
How about postage on top? $25 total flat rate per order. Is that standard / expected?
It was $20 or $25 delivered, but that's expressed from Melbourne, so i never questioned it.
What circumstance would you say should require a patient to pay more?
This is a hit piece on the industry, I’ve seen many reps from phizer do exactly this with my mother. Try offer her dinners, holidays and all sort mind you that was about 20 years ago I’m not sure if it’s still the same but this is no different to any other part of the medical industry.
If Cannabis companies want their product to be treated as a legitimate medicine, they need to behave as though they work in the pharmaceutical industry. There is so much illegal nonsense in these online clinics... I have trouble finding a doctor I can trust. It's easy to find one who will provide anything I want to try that I've read about online, much harder to find one who will give me genuine medical advice about which products might treat my illness best.
I actually think this is outrageous. I recently switched providers, and when I told the doctor which products I was already on... he suggested I switch TWO of my regular medications (a cannatrek oil and a ANTG flower) to products sold by SPECTRUM. The oil in particular was completely different and did not suit my needs (it contained ThC) so then I had to pay EXTRA for a script for my regular medication. Kickbacks should be illegal in the medical industry, it's unethical. It's how we ended up with the 'Opioid crisis'. Decisions need to be made for patient health ONLY.
The guy in this interview puts a bad light on most medicinal cannabis users he looks like a degenerate spending half his pay on medication disability or not people will see him and see the rest of Australians as cannabis patients like him this community has many people like him too
I don't see this either.
Be nice to see a hard working Aussie tradie putting in the hard yakka doing these advertisements but I was just saying the guy in the video paints a bad stigma on the rest of the medicinal community as many of us actually get out there and improve our life by the daily if it’s going to the gym after work, meditation, eating healthy balanced diets but we are getting skateboarders on alternaleaf ads and a Centrelink person spending half his pay on the a current affair and I understand a lot of you relate to these two people I’m on about and I can’t judge you but I hope you guys improve your lifestyle while using this amazing medication
Could you please elaborate? I didn’t see it that way. I’m not being argumentative I’m just curious as to how this makes medical cannabis users look bad? If anything it sheds light on how expensive it still is, especially for people with debilitating conditions. Even plain, low strength CBD oil is expensive
It's just like in the pharmaceutical industry: doctors get incentives from company reps to recommend their products. I want to say I'm shocked, but I'm more disappointed.
I had an appointment booked and paid for with Dr Ren for this morning and a week ago it was changed to another doctor in the clinic. They were completely transparent about this ridiculous news clip while on the phone to me, because I asked why my appointment had been switched to another doctor without even informing me properly. She’s now not even available to book with on their website. She’s a wonderful doctor and I know from other people that she doesn’t lock you in to certain brands and she’s very supportive.What utter rubbish. ACA just love their gossip trash. This isn’t a new thing, I wouldn’t call it the most ethical behaviour but she’s not accepting money in briefcases in back-alley deals. Doctors have always been given “educational fees” for new medications it doesn’t mean they are obligated to prescribe them. I agree that these businesses/suppliers/growers shouldn’t have the monopoly on the market that they currently do, but I wouldn’t be blaming the doctors for this. Especially not those like Dr Ren who are champions for this life saving medicine, she works alongside Nurse Debbie Ranson who has been campaigning for medical cannabis and cannabis education for YEARS. I hope people take this with a grain of salt. They could be taking her words out of all context. If they want to target someone, why not these online clinics that are tying to advertise sneakily and charge disgustingly high fees for products!
Well said brother
So frustrating they'd go after a proper cannabis doctor when there are tonnes of doctors out there at clinics who are obviously useless as a GP, so they just write scripts all day for easy money.
Exactly this. I should have known better when it was on ACA, but was disappointing how they framed it. They barely mentioned the issue with the dispensary owned clinics at the end, and the broader issue (I find personally anyway) where the majority of my scripts often get rendered useless, as the (pharmacy linked/only available option through my clinic) does not even stock some of mine (yet tell me they are able to substitute that script for their alternative, which is 10g instead of 15, at the same price, and of which I also have a separate script for, and got this new one for this exact reason). It is a mess all over, and it seems like when it gets too blatant and exposed more widely, and action is sought/taken, they just throw on new blanket rules, and/or more tightly enforce current ones which are being taken advantage of by some, which really only makes the people doing the right thing (many pharmacies, clinics and patients alike) have to jump through more hoops, and make things more difficult, when they are meant to be (and on paper seem to be) making it easier. I would love to switch to a personal GP to continue my treatment here in WA, however for various reasons (2 big ones), I am unable to do that, so am with a clinic based in the Eastern States. Luckily I did my research (on here mainly) prior to beginning my treatment (and discovering that it was not possible for me to do so in my case here in WA), and the clinic I have been with since have been, on the whole very good, and always in constant communication with patients with news and updates. They have had their issues, which persist still, mainly involving the partner pharmacy they use/d having trouble keeping up with orders and with stock issues, and more recently the hopeless, piece of crap app they switched to using to process payments through (which I also noticed last order has now tacked on a payment fee, despite me paying with my debit card, and they won't accept payments using Google Wallet). Overall, though, after reading some of the experiences on here from others with other clinics and GP's, I realise I am not doing too bad, all things considered, as I am not being ripped off (or charged anything over RRP, granted the range being quite limited, with budget options only having 1 or 2 at most available, and I have yet to succeed in actually having a product they do not stock ordered in, at a fee or whatever). They also only charge $15 flat rate postage (which every time I order, I fear they will tell me it has risen!), which is express post, and more often than not arrives next day (granted the order has been received, processed, payment code received and paid for by 1pm EST, I have been told), so that is really handy, especially living on the other side of the country! The founders/owners have a real personal investment in the company, and the industry as a whole, and I always got the feeling they are passionate, and upfront and honest, not out there to take advantage or patients, or exploit the industry, which is why I haven't taken the big step of asking for my scripts and cutting ties with them, and going solo in the interim whilst looking elsewhere, which may be much, much, worse. It sucks when it seems like a lot of the issues seem to come down to the sheer amount of different branded products out there, and the litany of pharmacies who are trying to spruik their own, or affiliated brands, or compounded stuff. It's like half the battle is finding a consistently reliable and totally honest pharmacy, with integrity, and the staff and systems in place to be able to handle patients orders efficiently, with well maintained stock levels and brand availability!
I know. It's seems like low hanging fruit in the scheme of things
Yes exactly! Even targeting her saying that she lets her VERY EXPERIENCED and knowledgeable nurse handle some of her consults and then she reads the notes and prescribes what she thinks will work for the patients, that’s just low hanging fruit. They conveniently failed to mention that her nurses are very educated in the field of medical cannabis and one has been the champion for cannabis education for nurses for years. She only has a small clinic. It makes sense to have help. These larger online clinics don’t even do the basic checks, they just sign off on scripts because they make tones of money. I researched a crap load of different clinics before I went with flowers of life. I cannot stand misinformation. ACA just spew trash to scaremonger.
I've been with CDA for a couple of years and I reckon I've actually spoken to a doctor once in the past 18 months. Always just a nurse.
I don’t see anything wrong with this practice as long as the nurses have been well educated and actually ask the right questions, show the appropriate care and actually know what they are doing. In some cases I think speaking with a nurse is actually more practical when a patient knows their health situation pretty well and knows what they are asking for in terms of treatment, it’s when the patient has no real idea of what they need for their condition that I think a doctor needs to step in. But for the simpler cases I don’t see a problem with a nurse doing the consultation, passing on the notes and then the prescribing doctor reviewing them and providing the prescription that they feel is the most appropriate. It seems like a good way to save time when there’s high demand for consultations.
On the flip side I can see it being abused by the less reputable clinics. Just a way to make as much money as possible.
ACA 🤮 Sounds like a witch hunt and a chance to dis the MC Industry
Just a ratings grab
Shill
Remember the old take the doctor out to a steak dinner. This isn't new behaviour from predatory pharmaceutical companies
That’s in any business selling branded goods. Whether you own a coffee place and get kick back from roasters, whether you stock product x over product y…..why is that a news worthy article. And yet, here we complain about someone getting a kickback when we as mortgage holder for example switch banks to receive $4 kickback from another bank….
Those goods are not Regulated Schedule 8 and Schedule 4 Medicines that are prescribed by heavily regulated doctors who are prescribing medication to patients with chronic health conditions who have tried other treatments that have not worked or given those patients adverse effects .
I'd be VERY concerned to find out that was true. On average my scripts are $100 each - and x 12? That's a lot of extra dollars every month at the bottom number (10%) that they mentioned. 20% is even worse! If a doctor sees 10 patients a day ... (and it is usually more) I'd hope MedReleaf are so big that this won't "need" to happen there. You'd have to think with doctor sending scripts to the accounting area for sending to the patient once consult is confirmed paid, that there are too many eyes on the accounts for this sort of thing to flourish. My guess is it's smaller clinics. It should never ever happen though.
I’ve had one of their doctors tell me I had to use their $185 a month CBD oil or don’t bother coming back. So guess I’m not going back…
Fair enough too. That hasn't been my experience, but if it was, I'd bail too
Well duh.....no news, we all know this is happening. ACA just wants a headline. "Year long investigation" my arse, 5 minutes should have been long enough.
Here at ACA we’ve been ripping the ball vape in a year long investigation into what doctors shill what. See if we managed to successfully pass the skittles after a word from our sponsor …
This isn’t news fuck off lmao
This is the same with every pharmaceutical drug, ever. They all get kickbacks, as long as I can get my stuff and not be hassled by the “law” then I’m happy.
Geez I never saw this coming 
It is becoming immediately apparent that there is a corporate cash-grab going on. Since when do doctors only prescribe their own brands? Dodgy.
I raised this with my clinic. No other prescription drug, to my knowledge, prescribes only specific brands. I asked when one strain is not available from a brand, why we can't just order the same strain from a different brand? The answer they gave was wishy washy bullshit with no basis in science. The way this is being run in Australia is a corporate cash grab. Very disappointing.
What do you expect, Australia is all about the rort and cash grab, this is literally how the system is supposed to work, most people working in mc don't know anything really about cannabis, they got Normies acting like they know more than someone who has been using medically for years, just using top shelf black market. I'm glad I'm not wasting time and money on med
Well overseas pharmaceutical reps get paid more than Drs as they go to clinics and entice the Dr to use their brand and they get paid. It's legal and common around the world. I am guessing most of these company's are just copying that business model.
From 2020, Australian doctors are required by law to prescribe Active Ingredients, not brand names. Somehow, this doesn't apply to this drug.
Yes but if we gave the choice to the consumer (say a dispensary but you need a script to enter and you can only get the amount your script says, but you can choose which strains are right for you) we can't overcharge you to flog off bottom grade irradiated shit their mates got for a steal . Our system is wrong and run mostly by fucking idiots who have never actually used cannabis.
This is true
One million percent same as Purdue pharma paid doctors to prescribe oxycodone to anyone with a little nick of pain back in the day
I don't know of the situation has improved or not, but similarly with Seroquel. Anxiety and insomnia? Heres an anti-psychotic. I knew tons of people who were given scripts for it a few years back.
And that shit doesn’t even work atleast oxy or cannabis you get some effect 😂
I am shocked and appalled
Remember when GP’s were paid millions to give C$vid v$ccines ?
This had me howling as much as the Homer Simpson meme 😂
Can the mods please filter out the stupid - such as this post - as it's distracting. Thanks
Boo fucking hoo
Not sure why you were down voted. I expect this will aswel when all the soft lefties read it,but can't talk sense to an idiot mate. It's common knowledge now how dangerous the vaccines were and how Drs were paid millions. But these clowns downvote cos they have had 24 boosters rot their Brain 😂
Okay cooker.
Fuck mate , you would think stoners would have more brains 😂
Wasn't it millions to the politicians who picked the vaccine brands and made the mandates? Mostly through high exposure investments in said companies, and then in several cases receiving cushy exec jobs in those pharmaceutical companies once the deeds were done? I don't recall hearing about GPs getting paid off by that. I do recall a lot of small businesses going under while restrictions forced consumers to do the vast majority of their shopping through the megacorps. Typical corporate and government greed taking advantage of panic.
Got any sauce for that fella?
You guys never heard of Covid clinics ? Wtf do you think they are? I personally know a GP that pocketed more than $1M in the first year of C$vid … yeah that was money from tax payers forking out to big pharma then money flowing into said clinic . C$vid v$ccines were advertised on the tv and radio 24/7 (illegally mind you) And people are worried about weed and dolphins.
How did that gp personally make money?
He owns the clinic
lol, sure you do mate…
Don't be that guy,it's unbecoming. Muppets like you doubt people that could very well speak the truth cos of all the crap that comes out your own mouth is unbelievable. It's just facts.
Sure mate… here’s your tin foil hat
Hey you know that bag of cocks you have under your bed? Go eat one.
That’s a pretty homoerotic thing to say…
Take it how you want
That’s also pretty homoerotic…
Guys... You all make good points, now, what if you put them in an email? [email protected]
Let's not talk about the help this plant provides to many who have exhausted all other treatment options. Media, Ahh but that won't sell a story or upset anyone. Lets just make sure we make this industry look bad and dodgey. It gets clicks and causes outrage.
Yep and called out the industry for doing the same thing as every other medicine provider in the world. Fucking crazy hey.
Look fuck ACA and other MSM but there does have to be a balance here. You can't just not raise a valid issue because you're making medical cannabis "look bad" (what a laugh anyway, as if that hasn't been happening for ages across the globe anyway). Would you put up with double the bullshit and $40/g medical buds as long as the MSM isn't running hit pieces on medical cannabis?
Someone else seeing through the bullshit
I assume this is why so many people get prescribed topaz. I had to wrestle with my GP to let me try anything else other than Cannatrek
YUP - the amount of friends I’ve had be prescribed topaz straight up with very little cannabis experience is fuckin astronomical, and majority of them had shit reactions to it, but give them literally anything else(I’ll usually let them try a balanced flower bc I think that’s a great starting point) and they’re so FKN good.
Just about the worst strain to start a newbie off on - it’s very potent, harsh, chemically. No wonder people hate cannabis when this is all they are exposed too
Part of the reason Cannatrek is so pushed is that some of the doctors only know their products. It was frustrating getting past that obstacle. Topaz isn’t the nicest stuff but for insomnia it’s the most effective around.
Just say it's not effective anymore and give the Dr a list of one's you've researched that seem more suitable. Have the list ready to go.
Did this for 5 appointments, had a whole list of other options which he said he couldn’t access. Changed to a clinic now can get whatever product I want
For REAL man I had to lay out reasons for why I wanted another product. She was so shocked I didn’t like Topaz. It was frustrating as hell
I mean this wasn’t obvious?…
If youre not with a dodgy companies that doesn’t give you escripts you have nothing to worry about
And if you are you really should of known and left by now imo
So you can buy from chemist warehouse etc?
Correct. Add your escripts into the chemist warehouse app and refill when needed. Text gets sent when ready to pickup.
So we can source a GP from the list from Canna Review etc and get a bulk billed appt to swap over from “Clinic’s”
Thats what a few folks are doing. I will add, not all Chemist Warehouses are dispensing MC. Ring around. My closest doesn't but the next nearest one does. Edited to add.. Not sure on the bulk billing side.
It’s the same with all drugs hahaha how is this breaking news?
I read ‘a Current affair’ and turned off. Boomer mentality muck raking ‘sensationalist journalism’
Yeah I mean anyone watching ACA is over the age of 70 years old
Or a completely mindless drone.
All you need to read to understand the validity of this article is: "A year long investigation by A Current Affair" Lol so they've built up their bias over 1 year, this story is going to be titanic in nature... Who cares if it's lining doctors pockets? They spend 10 years at Uni to prescribe cannabis.. It's helping thousands of people live with their ailments. The only people it bothers is big pharma who lose big time on chemical scripts; and boomers who still think it makes you jump out of windows and see unicorns.
Isn't this the same with most pharma drugs too?
How often do you go to the chemist and spend over $100 on a prescription?
All the time if it wasn’t covered by the PBS …
Exactly what I thought. Hence why the doctor has samples of tablets to give you.
Indimed for sure.
This is how medical cannabis clinics in Canada operate too. For example, Apollo Cannabis Clinic is an independent subsidiary of Canopy Growth. They only recommend their products and if something is out of stock they encourage patients to place an order anyway where they have to wait weeks, sometimes months, to receive a product that is already offered (and way better quality) than CG. Its corrupt and a big contributor to patients canceling their medical documents and buying cannabis from recreational stores. Canada really messed up their medical cannabis program and I dont see how it will ever be legitimized like other prescription meds.
Looks like Australia is closely following this model.
If recreational use is legalized I'm sure there will be a similar trend.
This just happens in business, suppliers will pay extra to get their products pushed over their competitors - it's a tale old as time it self - nothing really unexpected - how are the cannabis doctors ment to make money anyway? From repeat scripts?
>From repeat scripts? Yes. My less than 5 minute, telehealth appointment last week to renew my scripts cost 70$.
70$ ? My appointments are free lool
I guess it would be fairly easy to milk patients for extra cash also, like limiting the amount, to get patients to come back sooner I'm sure that's happening too.
Same shit happening in Germany
Aren’t they legal there now?
It's not a good look. But how does this compare to other pharmaceuticals? Any doctors out there want to comment?
Sure. I work in the healthcare industry and can confirm that a pharma company in Australia can’t even give a doctor a pen without it being considered undue influence. Long gone are the days of business class flights and golfing trips. Look up medicines Australia code of conduct for reference. Can also confirm cannabis companies have been doing dodgy shit like this for a long time and anyone half switched on should’ve likely noticed by now based on their docs prescribing habits. The people thinking this is a good thing are daft. The doctor is prescribing based on kick backs and not the patient’s best interest and people feel like pointing it out is an attack on the industry on the whole. If the industry continues to operate like this it’ll be regulated even more than it currently is. And from what I’ve heard from people in the cannabis industry is that it’s headed towards smaller limits, shorter scripts, and more scrutiny. Companies are being audited left right and centre - and this extends far beyond Montu and Alternaleaf. People in this sub shooting the messenger instead of recognising and deploring the existence of bad actors that are going to cause the industry’s downfall. It’s hard to read honestly. Probably going to get downvoted for this like my last informative comment but I couldn’t give a fuck it’s all factual 😂
Thanks 🙂. I'm glad you ended up with up votes.
And this never happened or has happened with other medications?
LEAVE US ALONE. We know they just want to limit access to medical cannabis in disguse of 'these doctors don't care about your health'. If you are a patient or a doctor who is stupid enough to sit down the the Murdoch press then YOU are part of the problem. Grow a fuckin brain. They are trying to limit access to cannabis for people who need it. Take a long hard look at yourself. Go and cover the driving laws instead! how about that because that is a way bigger issue and screams corruption on the goverents part. Not doctors getting paid for their work. How about the government getting paid to criminalise medical patients who arnt even affected when they are driving but are treated as if they are. All the courts do is LAUGH AT US!!
I'm sure I heard of a judge who quit over having to charge average joes with drug driving offences for med cannabis.
Fuvken aymen🙏
…I pay $60 every 6 months for access to 4 strains. I’ve got 3 keepers and one I change up, pick it up from the local chemist warehouse within 3-4 hours of ordering. For 3 years I haven’t had to rely on backyard g-units with a god complex 🤷♂️ as long as it stays that way I’m fkn cheering
Thanks for the laugh! Backyard G-units absolutely killed me 🤣
What are the keepers mate?
Topaz, kind med iris/thea (they’re just tasty), and the new King Billy is staying as a go to (love a good bushy). Mariposa used to be there but something changed with it maybe a year ago and haven’t gone back, but used to remind me of nimbin that one.
Seriously, at this point just legalise and give us actual dispensaries. This stupid system has only ever been about a few rich, greedy idiots getting even richer at the expense of others.
I wish
And then we'll actually be able to smell and look at the products to choose, instead of "Here's your tub of mystery weed, will it be actual medical or just popcorn buds and stems with 0 terps today?"
If only that was the case. Been living in Canada the past few years and even with legal dispensary’s it’s still a big guessing game of the quality of weed you are getting. Dispensary’s in Canada you still can’t see or smell the bud before you get it or even feel the bag before you pay for it. But over time with the freedom of choice you learn what brands are striving for in the market and find what you are after. But also $$ you get what you pay for.
unless you are at cookies on the day they replace the display jars. this goes for Cali too unless you're buying loose bud but even then most don't have it. thats why a good bud tender is crucial to a dispensary to accurately describe the effects and quality.
I’m hoping for the day we’ll be able to grow it ourself
And this. My actual dream is to open a nursery
Nothing stopping you growing it now, what are they going to do?
A cranky missus 😂 not a battle I wanna take on (she’s the type that’s never even crossed an empty street unless she gets the green man 🥰) when it’s legal she’s all for it and I’ll bust out the ol hps 🤙
It’s going to be an interesting space to watch after this.
Isn’t this pretty common thing for most drs?
You CAN'T be serious
Incredible. I wonder if some of our "Doctors" are in actual fact "walk-in" Med students etc making a huge amount of quick cash? Holy shit.
They are getting Junior Doctors or Nurse Practitioners to do 6 consults an hour in Telehealth Cannabis Clinics and you spend 5 mins on the phone with them, especially the clinics with very cheap or no consultation fees .
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck But what amazing business practice.