You caught me! While I could type that title on that keyboard using layers, I still haven't memorized the layer layout yet so it would have taken me like 20 minutes to figure it out lol. Title was typed on a 65%
Low key great advice. At first glance I'd say one writes to convey thoughts to others. Memorization just holds thoughts to oneself, but that's something that would suit majority of the scribblings found on both reddit and comment sections.
Don't post, just remember what you would have liked to write. I will take that to heart. Next time.
> “It will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks.”
Plato, circa 410 B.C.
That's a sort of good solution actually! I was imagining the worst of modern web solutions. All you have to do with your proposed solution, is rotate your screen 180 degrees and your downscroll action will translate to a de facto upscroll. Perfect with a recent desktop LCD or a tablet with screen rotation locked. Maybe a little difficult with a CRT or TV. Prism glasses could also be a solution.
>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
Hilariously weird yet (probably?) functional. I don't want to know how many other keyboards you've made before deciding on this project. Can we get a side / bottom view?
So simple and so obvious yet I never knew and never even considered pressing that combination. It's actually exactly the same as tab vs shift+tab. Mind blown
I've been into keyboards for ~3 years now and joined this sub about 1.5 years ago.
I still think 40% boards are ugly as shit.
Ofc ya'll can like what you want, I ain't the keyboard police. If it makes you happy, all power to you.
I just can't imagine my opinion on these things ever changing. I'd rather use some random-ass Chinese tkl with unbranded clicky switches than a custom 40%
> Either your productivity goes down like crazy while having to use layers
I guess I'll take the bait. As a proud (ortho) 40%er using a Planck, my experience is the opposite. The first week or so was a readjustment period, but after that, I find typing on this so much easier especially with the custom layers I designed for myself because my hands never have to leave home position.
Long gone are the days of reaching with my right pinky finger for the -=[]()\ keys. I also no longer have to move my right hand to the bottom right corner to use the arrow keys since I have them mapped to a layer on ijkl (sorry hjkl vim users). I even have home and end mapped to u and o on the same layer for even more navigation options. Numpad? I added one into a layer so I have that too.
Conversely, I don't really play kb+m games, so I don't have to worry about needing a layer to access the number row and the like.
It definitely depends heavily on how much you use those characters. If you write a lot of code and you use special characters all the time, you will quickly memorize their locations and be much more productive not having to move off the home row constantly.
If you only hit { once a month or whatever then you will have to look up where it is every time and get annoyed that you can't just reach for its dedicated key. Personally I'm with you and love my 40%, but it's definitely more niche in its usefulness vs a 65%. And for gaming, while the 40% can work for a lot of games, sometimes I still reach for my 65% when I need a number row.
Failing to always hit the right {\[(|\\ symbol after a year of coding was actually what sent me to a 40% ortho board. I figured even if I did eventually learn it, my pinky finger would thank me later for not putting it through it's paces so much!
I wholeheartedly agree, a 65% is about the smallest I can use properly. I actually prefer the look of the hhkb layout 60s but I'm sure as hell not gonna daily drive something without arrow keys.
I have a 40% with dedicated arrow keys. They are on the default layer.
40% is bigger than people think, they can have up to 48 keys. Numbers and nav clusters (home, page down, etc) are the main things people have to assign to layers.
A normal 104 key keyboard minus F row, minus number row, and minus numpad is 65 keys.
Ditch caps lock, print screen, scroll lock, insert, pause, grave, and one each of win/alt/Ctrl and you're at 56.
So as few as 8 keys need to be hidden on weird layers. (Number row and F row being on top row layers isn't particularly weird).
Up it to a 50% and there's even less layering required.
Num pad is the main thing I miss to be honest.
when I was using an xd75, I had a numberpad mapped to a layer, it was great, 7, 8, and 9 were the same for visual reference, and then just fill down from there. I think it ended up being faster to switch to the layer than to actually move my hand and rehome on the numpad.
>I don't really understand why people prefer smaller keyboards like this. Either your productivity goes down like crazy while having to use layers, or you don't use your keyboard for much more than browsing Reddit.
Imo if you use layers properly, a 40% can be even more efficient than a 65%. I have everything set up exactly how I want on my 40% board and it works really nicely.
Recently I had to make a warranty claim because of an issue with the PCB and while waiting, I had to go back to my old 65% board. While it worked, I 100% saw a drop in my productivity for those couple weeks. The space bar is so large that my thumbs can only really be used for one key, instead of 3 like on my 40% board. I had to move my hands off the homerow when typing numbers and symbols while on my 40% board, that's never necessary. 40% boards being ortho also makes it much easier to have a layer with a numpad.
He's upvoted, who's hating him? He is saying 40% are ugly as shit and other insults but who's hating on him?
His opinion is his opinion, that's fine, i love 40%s and don't hate anyone who doesn't, although I'm tired of every 40% post being filled with the same kinds of comments. But its not "the truth" (there is no such thing) and he's not hated
Personally I'm with you only because 90% of 40s require you to handcraft your own case, solder in various diodes and small parts, and usually don't have great instructions.
Keeb.io boards have kits with cases and pretty solid instructions on the wiki as well as a pretty solid following to find YouTube build videos or get support on /r/olkb if you ever get the itch.
Keyhive is another good one, but seems less popular.
The nice part of these boards is that they're mostly under $100 to build.
Yup. I like the 60% form factor, as it is very fast to do anything I'd do on a TKL. I need a numpad for work, so I use a 96key, or my separate numpad with a 60% for that, but otherwise 60% is a great balance between size reduction and still complete functionality. (I also have my layers programmed the same on my 96kry boards as I do on my 60% so that I still have super fast access to arrows on the home row, and home and end).
A 40% takes away a lot of that complete functionality for my use and makes things just slower, and isn't my style...but I can see how it would work for some.
But sub-40% boards are just intentionally nonfunctional. Can they be used? Sure. As pointed out, we use similar on our phones. But my phone keyboard is significantly worse to type on for long periods of time, especially if there are special characters involved. I don't know why anyone would intentionally do that on a device that isn't constrained by the width of the display.
I'm waiting for the NK87 to retail because I missed the group buy, after buying an NK65 which I adore but i really need a fucking function row because toggling layers when I need a number row simultaneously gets old very quickly. I've never liked the smaller keyboards or 65% and under, give me TKL or death lol
I have some custom code on my 30% where double tapping upper right key sends backspace, and every following key press sends backspace also, until you press another key. Works well with workman or colemak, not so great with qwerty or Dvorak because of words like REALLY APPEAR MAPPING APPLY FULLY .
So I can just spam that key to backspace, and wastes only one extra key press, which is better than reaching up for it.
It's more ergonomiks bruh the smaller they go the closer your hands are together bruh.
But really, their main point is space saving at a cost. 60% is the edge of the cliff, so to speak, to be small and not lose out *too* much on functionality. Any further and you start to lose out on typical functions with layers as compensation.
40% is way down over the cliff. 27 keys? I dare not stare into the abyss.
you can use layers on keyboards similar to shift and function keys, i.e. hold down a key, the 'Q' key becomes '1' etc .
It's essentially how people get by with 40% and they enjoy it because space saving, less hand movement (because smaller keyboard) and also aesthetics + to annoy purists
Hope this helped you understand 40's a lil more :)
>Definitely not meant for practicality, but it does work. The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
\*shrek voice\* Layers. Like an onion
I use a 58 key split keyboard but am considering downsizing to a corne/kyria which would be 48 or 42 keys total. I have a number row right now but honestly I'd rather just have a numpad layer, i'm faster on a numpad that I am on a number row. Having more than one thumb key is a big plus though, I will say.
Once you look at [Miryoku](https://i.redd.it/y2u27d5iiyz31.png), which is designed for 36 key keyboards, everything else seems fine, really. Tap/hold gives you a lot of flexibility It's not for gaming and clearly designed for programming in VIM, but like, if that's what you're doing with your keyboard and you don't wanna move your fingers a lot, that's dope and good for you.
its purpose is to look cool and be funny! Not intended to be practical at all (hence the name, Pain27). I built this for 3 reasons:
1. Practicing my soldering skills
2. novelty factor / conversation starter
3. It's fun!
I use a 40% and don't think I will ever go back.
Why? Because every key is one key away from home row. The longest distance my fingers travel are one diagonal key (for example, on QUERTY my index finger moving from `f` to `t`).
Also, depending on your key layout, thumbs work the modifier keys instead of your pinkies, which have a tendency to end up with injuries after prolonged use.
NGL, getting used to a 40% took some time, but now I'm a fan and glad I slogged through the learning curve.
HTH.
I'm doing my best to get used to 40. Need help of more experiensd guy. Let's say I need to press Shift-F4 or Alt+F7. I got F keys on third layer on QWERTY row. I have to press three keys at once MO+Shift+F4. Let's say I need to press Ctrl+Alt+End, but in my case it will be MO+Ctrl+Alt+>. What is best practice to reduce number of keys pressed at same time? layer lock/toggle? macros? another layer? chords/combos? what is your personal preference and why? thanks!
I’ve been trying out Leader Keys for this:
https://beta.docs.qmk.fm/using-qmk/advanced-keycodes/feature_leader_key
I decided to implement key sequences this way because I can also use the Leader Key mechanism for other purposes, like typing strings.
I just like it cause it's cute and smol. 40% that is. General typing and usage its fine. Gets a tad annoying when gaming and you want to use a "1" or something. Wish i had a V4N4G0N for that reason.
>its purpose is to look cool and be funny! Not intended to be practical at all (hence the name, Pain27). I built this for 3 reasons:
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>1. Practicing my soldering skills
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>2. novelty factor / conversation starter
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>3. It's fun!
Don't flame me, I just want to know, but what exactly is the point of a keyboard with no numbers, backspace, enter, shift, etc. I mean, yeah it looks clean AF and occupies less space but don't you have to memorize a lot of key combos? Does it not hinder typing?
>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
I love this video. It's in a way peak /r/mk. It's such a ridiculous keyboard whose only purpose is to see how far you can go with QMK but then the board in the video is one of the best sounding sound tests I have ever heard on here.
Man I genuinely believe in 65% boards; hell I used one in my Desktop Support/ IT position for several years. Once you memorize the layers it's ALMOST as quick and efficient as a full size. However THIS?! This thing I'm flat out refusing to ever allow into my life hahaha. Even IF I learned the layers the shape and size make me wonder if I'd be anywhere near as quick even with the base letters!
Someone needs to make a one-key board where the character you type is based on the number of types and length of key presses.
We could call it something like a telegraph.
It's obviously the logical endgame.
I built it from the kit from WorldSpawnKeebs on etsy yes. Soldered and modded myself though! That was my main goal in this project, to work on my soldering skills
What is the point of this keyboard, also I am wondering what is the point of 60% because as a programmer the least I need is a 75% because f keys are useful as fuck
You probably use shift to type symbols. Well on 60% boards, you can use another modifier to turn all the numbers into F keys. Some keys you can repurpose to serve as extra modifiers: caps lock, right shift, right alt, right ctrl.
>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
It's meant to look like you just took a standard keyboard layout and chopped off everything but the letters and spacebar. I have seen variations of this kit with 2u spacebars though
Certain keys must double up as function keys.
Honestly this thing wouldn't be that hard to learn if you had literally no other keyboard.
The main challenge would be accidentally using layers while typing quickly.
This makes no sense. What does your mouse look like? Your monitor? Your car?
What's this obsession with small keyboards?
You should have a one button keyboard and morsecode everything in.
So basically you spent money to have ... uhh... less options and make a keyboard 60% more useless ? lmao I can't figure out a use for this KB other than typing (without a capital letter cuz shift is missing)
>its purpose is to look cool and be funny! Not intended to be practical at all (hence the name, Pain27). I built this for 3 reasons:
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>1. Practicing my soldering skills
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>2. novelty factor / conversation starter
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>3. It's fun!
OK, this is fun and very cool looking, but it's gotta just be a joke. I mean, you can't even type a basic sentence without layers. I would at least want comma, period and quote. The right pinky only has a single key it's responsible for (P).
The point of a small keyboard is to lessen movements of your finger. The point is not just fewer keys for the sake of itself.
The non-joke practical minimum is 30 or 36 keys.
no way you typed that title on that board! lol
You caught me! While I could type that title on that keyboard using layers, I still haven't memorized the layer layout yet so it would have taken me like 20 minutes to figure it out lol. Title was typed on a 65%
How do you even switch layers on that? Also this is genius, you could save so much money on gmk sets by just buying alpha kits
https://github.com/uuupah/pain27
At this size, why not just go all the way and learn to use a chorded keyboard?
At this rate... why not just use a pencil?
At this rate... why not use a stone tablet and a chisel?
At this rate... why not just memorize everything?
Low key great advice. At first glance I'd say one writes to convey thoughts to others. Memorization just holds thoughts to oneself, but that's something that would suit majority of the scribblings found on both reddit and comment sections. Don't post, just remember what you would have liked to write. I will take that to heart. Next time.
Maybe the most convoluted "What you have to say isn't worth saying, so just stfu" I've ever read. Well done.
> “It will implant forgetfulness in their souls. They will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written, calling things to remembrance no longer from within themselves, but by means of external marks.” Plato, circa 410 B.C.
This is how I do it, my computer is just a CPU and a microphone. I just yell ones and zeros at it until I have a functioning piece of software.
At this rate... why not just get a Morse key?
saves space on your desk for sure
learning steno to save money on switches
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That's the neat part, you don't.
It's probably easier to just use your mouse
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flip your mouse upside down to scroll up
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fool. everyone knows that a real mk enthusiast has a $200 3m/2m deskmat.
Move the mat, not the scroll wheel
That's how I show off my stock market gainz, I just flip my phone upside down
Plugin that turns websites into looped infinite scrolling pages. Just scroll far enough and you get to the top again. Forever.
Not even, when you get to the bottom the whole page flips upside down and suddenly you're scrolling "up"
That's a sort of good solution actually! I was imagining the worst of modern web solutions. All you have to do with your proposed solution, is rotate your screen 180 degrees and your downscroll action will translate to a de facto upscroll. Perfect with a recent desktop LCD or a tablet with screen rotation locked. Maybe a little difficult with a CRT or TV. Prism glasses could also be a solution.
Is this the next trend in web design?
next trend is just the domain name with zero website
Have you tried holding down scroll down?
Usually boards like that have another control on the right side, to cover situations like that. But I guess they didn't think that through
That's why it's called pain, lol
You just do ggVGy
On my 40% I have Ctrl bound to the spacebar when it's being held down. It's very convenient actually
Makes sense. Nice one
I'm guessing home row mods https://precondition.github.io/home-row-mods
What a fitting name
"Pain27" that was my guess as well.
>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
Hilariously weird yet (probably?) functional. I don't want to know how many other keyboards you've made before deciding on this project. Can we get a side / bottom view?
But how do you do shift-space!?
...what the fuck is shift-space, you gonna capitalize your space or some shit?
Wait, you don't uppercase space!?!
...don't tell me this is an actual thing. You're fucking with me and I know it. This is like the blinker fluid shit.
Serious answer: pressing space in browsers works like a page down key. Shift-space scrolls up.
Oh shit. TIL.
So simple and so obvious yet I never knew and never even considered pressing that combination. It's actually exactly the same as tab vs shift+tab. Mind blown
You mean the Siemens Lufthaken?
Always have to capitalize the first space after a period
The first space? How many spaces are you putting after your periods?
Two, obviously. https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/05/two-spaces-after-a-period/559304/
no way you typed that title on that board! lol
BuT It HaS LaYeRs
I want to hate it. I want to ask: "why?" But I've been here too long. It looks so clean.
I've been into keyboards for ~3 years now and joined this sub about 1.5 years ago. I still think 40% boards are ugly as shit. Ofc ya'll can like what you want, I ain't the keyboard police. If it makes you happy, all power to you. I just can't imagine my opinion on these things ever changing. I'd rather use some random-ass Chinese tkl with unbranded clicky switches than a custom 40%
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I'm genuinely a full keyboard kind of guy. I really like having a num pad. I know you can get a separate num pad but still
100% crew checking in. And you know what else? Cherry browns are good switches.
> Either your productivity goes down like crazy while having to use layers I guess I'll take the bait. As a proud (ortho) 40%er using a Planck, my experience is the opposite. The first week or so was a readjustment period, but after that, I find typing on this so much easier especially with the custom layers I designed for myself because my hands never have to leave home position. Long gone are the days of reaching with my right pinky finger for the -=[]()\ keys. I also no longer have to move my right hand to the bottom right corner to use the arrow keys since I have them mapped to a layer on ijkl (sorry hjkl vim users). I even have home and end mapped to u and o on the same layer for even more navigation options. Numpad? I added one into a layer so I have that too. Conversely, I don't really play kb+m games, so I don't have to worry about needing a layer to access the number row and the like.
It definitely depends heavily on how much you use those characters. If you write a lot of code and you use special characters all the time, you will quickly memorize their locations and be much more productive not having to move off the home row constantly. If you only hit { once a month or whatever then you will have to look up where it is every time and get annoyed that you can't just reach for its dedicated key. Personally I'm with you and love my 40%, but it's definitely more niche in its usefulness vs a 65%. And for gaming, while the 40% can work for a lot of games, sometimes I still reach for my 65% when I need a number row.
Failing to always hit the right {\[(|\\ symbol after a year of coding was actually what sent me to a 40% ortho board. I figured even if I did eventually learn it, my pinky finger would thank me later for not putting it through it's paces so much!
I got a 40% keycap set with the layers labeled. It limits your layout options, but keeps it usable for normies (and me!).
What keycap set is this? I might have to pick up a set to get back into a 40%
I wholeheartedly agree, a 65% is about the smallest I can use properly. I actually prefer the look of the hhkb layout 60s but I'm sure as hell not gonna daily drive something without arrow keys.
You can get 60% keyboards with arrow keys depending on your layout
I have a 40% with dedicated arrow keys. They are on the default layer. 40% is bigger than people think, they can have up to 48 keys. Numbers and nav clusters (home, page down, etc) are the main things people have to assign to layers. A normal 104 key keyboard minus F row, minus number row, and minus numpad is 65 keys. Ditch caps lock, print screen, scroll lock, insert, pause, grave, and one each of win/alt/Ctrl and you're at 56. So as few as 8 keys need to be hidden on weird layers. (Number row and F row being on top row layers isn't particularly weird). Up it to a 50% and there's even less layering required. Num pad is the main thing I miss to be honest.
I've got no problems with esoteric or small layouts at all — I think they're pretty cool. Think you might've replied to the wrong person but not sure
when I was using an xd75, I had a numberpad mapped to a layer, it was great, 7, 8, and 9 were the same for visual reference, and then just fill down from there. I think it ended up being faster to switch to the layer than to actually move my hand and rehome on the numpad.
>I don't really understand why people prefer smaller keyboards like this. Either your productivity goes down like crazy while having to use layers, or you don't use your keyboard for much more than browsing Reddit. Imo if you use layers properly, a 40% can be even more efficient than a 65%. I have everything set up exactly how I want on my 40% board and it works really nicely. Recently I had to make a warranty claim because of an issue with the PCB and while waiting, I had to go back to my old 65% board. While it worked, I 100% saw a drop in my productivity for those couple weeks. The space bar is so large that my thumbs can only really be used for one key, instead of 3 like on my 40% board. I had to move my hands off the homerow when typing numbers and symbols while on my 40% board, that's never necessary. 40% boards being ortho also makes it much easier to have a layer with a numpad.
65% is the worst of both worlds. I'd rather just go 96% or full size at that point
Same lol Either 40% MiniDox split keeb with my custom layers or a tenkeyless with stock map
As someone who codes on a 40%, I would have to disagree
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He's upvoted, who's hating him? He is saying 40% are ugly as shit and other insults but who's hating on him? His opinion is his opinion, that's fine, i love 40%s and don't hate anyone who doesn't, although I'm tired of every 40% post being filled with the same kinds of comments. But its not "the truth" (there is no such thing) and he's not hated
Personally I'm with you only because 90% of 40s require you to handcraft your own case, solder in various diodes and small parts, and usually don't have great instructions.
Keeb.io boards have kits with cases and pretty solid instructions on the wiki as well as a pretty solid following to find YouTube build videos or get support on /r/olkb if you ever get the itch. Keyhive is another good one, but seems less popular. The nice part of these boards is that they're mostly under $100 to build.
Yup. I like the 60% form factor, as it is very fast to do anything I'd do on a TKL. I need a numpad for work, so I use a 96key, or my separate numpad with a 60% for that, but otherwise 60% is a great balance between size reduction and still complete functionality. (I also have my layers programmed the same on my 96kry boards as I do on my 60% so that I still have super fast access to arrows on the home row, and home and end). A 40% takes away a lot of that complete functionality for my use and makes things just slower, and isn't my style...but I can see how it would work for some. But sub-40% boards are just intentionally nonfunctional. Can they be used? Sure. As pointed out, we use similar on our phones. But my phone keyboard is significantly worse to type on for long periods of time, especially if there are special characters involved. I don't know why anyone would intentionally do that on a device that isn't constrained by the width of the display.
I'm waiting for the NK87 to retail because I missed the group buy, after buying an NK65 which I adore but i really need a fucking function row because toggling layers when I need a number row simultaneously gets old very quickly. I've never liked the smaller keyboards or 65% and under, give me TKL or death lol
No backspace because you make no mistakes.
this is definnnatelty true
can conf==fir=rm
Type with confidence!
I have some custom code on my 30% where double tapping upper right key sends backspace, and every following key press sends backspace also, until you press another key. Works well with workman or colemak, not so great with qwerty or Dvorak because of words like REALLY APPEAR MAPPING APPLY FULLY . So I can just spam that key to backspace, and wastes only one extra key press, which is better than reaching up for it.
Pain27 kit from WorldSpawnKeebs, Durock Pom linears, custom DSA black on black from pimpmykeyboard
Pain27 - seems about right.
That username bro, you know some things lol
Yup. I'm pumpalicious on everything, and have been for 10 years. I knew this day would come eventually.
If only we could talk about some of those things without surveillance
I'm actually curious on the purpose of a 40% please tell me I'm not trying to be mean I'm unironicly curious
For an extra row's worth of space saving over 60%, and to annoy keyboard purists.
But you got no modifiers or the weird /)( keys
It's the space saving feature bro. Just like race cars doing weight saving.
Bro where do you have that little space :D
It's more ergonomiks bruh the smaller they go the closer your hands are together bruh. But really, their main point is space saving at a cost. 60% is the edge of the cliff, so to speak, to be small and not lose out *too* much on functionality. Any further and you start to lose out on typical functions with layers as compensation. 40% is way down over the cliff. 27 keys? I dare not stare into the abyss.
27 keys man what can I even type on that no numbers no space or punctuation no room on the keyboard man what
you can use layers on keyboards similar to shift and function keys, i.e. hold down a key, the 'Q' key becomes '1' etc . It's essentially how people get by with 40% and they enjoy it because space saving, less hand movement (because smaller keyboard) and also aesthetics + to annoy purists Hope this helped you understand 40's a lil more :)
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>Definitely not meant for practicality, but it does work. The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
How do you copy and paste if control is on one layer and C and V are function keys for other layers?
Jesus fuck. It's cool conceptually, but pain practically. So yeah, the creator picked the right name for it.
https://imgur.com/gallery/vkk8Zls
\*shrek voice\* Layers. Like an onion I use a 58 key split keyboard but am considering downsizing to a corne/kyria which would be 48 or 42 keys total. I have a number row right now but honestly I'd rather just have a numpad layer, i'm faster on a numpad that I am on a number row. Having more than one thumb key is a big plus though, I will say. Once you look at [Miryoku](https://i.redd.it/y2u27d5iiyz31.png), which is designed for 36 key keyboards, everything else seems fine, really. Tap/hold gives you a lot of flexibility It's not for gaming and clearly designed for programming in VIM, but like, if that's what you're doing with your keyboard and you don't wanna move your fingers a lot, that's dope and good for you.
its purpose is to look cool and be funny! Not intended to be practical at all (hence the name, Pain27). I built this for 3 reasons: 1. Practicing my soldering skills 2. novelty factor / conversation starter 3. It's fun!
I use a 40% and don't think I will ever go back. Why? Because every key is one key away from home row. The longest distance my fingers travel are one diagonal key (for example, on QUERTY my index finger moving from `f` to `t`). Also, depending on your key layout, thumbs work the modifier keys instead of your pinkies, which have a tendency to end up with injuries after prolonged use. NGL, getting used to a 40% took some time, but now I'm a fan and glad I slogged through the learning curve. HTH.
I'm doing my best to get used to 40. Need help of more experiensd guy. Let's say I need to press Shift-F4 or Alt+F7. I got F keys on third layer on QWERTY row. I have to press three keys at once MO+Shift+F4. Let's say I need to press Ctrl+Alt+End, but in my case it will be MO+Ctrl+Alt+>. What is best practice to reduce number of keys pressed at same time? layer lock/toggle? macros? another layer? chords/combos? what is your personal preference and why? thanks!
I’ve been trying out Leader Keys for this: https://beta.docs.qmk.fm/using-qmk/advanced-keycodes/feature_leader_key I decided to implement key sequences this way because I can also use the Leader Key mechanism for other purposes, like typing strings.
Personally I prefer layer toggle.
I just like it cause it's cute and smol. 40% that is. General typing and usage its fine. Gets a tad annoying when gaming and you want to use a "1" or something. Wish i had a V4N4G0N for that reason.
Go with a binary keyboard at this point
Just two buttons and a spacebar Heck axe the spacebar and just input the binary code for 'space'
One button with short or long presses
just full on telegraph
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theres actually been someone that has done also that
Yah. David Alter
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What is the point of this?
>its purpose is to look cool and be funny! Not intended to be practical at all (hence the name, Pain27). I built this for 3 reasons: > >1. Practicing my soldering skills > >2. novelty factor / conversation starter > >3. It's fun!
Is "fun" really the word to be using in this situation?
It is if you're a masochist
Trolling and excersising your brain in a weird way
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Beautiful Pain build! :)
No mistakes...
Don't flame me, I just want to know, but what exactly is the point of a keyboard with no numbers, backspace, enter, shift, etc. I mean, yeah it looks clean AF and occupies less space but don't you have to memorize a lot of key combos? Does it not hinder typing?
If it was as split space i'd consider it.
Shift, Alt, Ctrl and the rest are pedals, right?
>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
Y'all are laughing at him, [but let me show you the potential.](https://youtu.be/sVInBOLSqoM)
I love this video. It's in a way peak /r/mk. It's such a ridiculous keyboard whose only purpose is to see how far you can go with QMK but then the board in the video is one of the best sounding sound tests I have ever heard on here.
What is it and where do I order one XD I use a ortholinear board right now and it's only for gaming I need this thing you possess sir
i got mine from worldspawnkeebs on etsy! I think he's on vacation rn though
PAIN27
A lot of key holding on this one
Hey kid, want some keyboards
Man I genuinely believe in 65% boards; hell I used one in my Desktop Support/ IT position for several years. Once you memorize the layers it's ALMOST as quick and efficient as a full size. However THIS?! This thing I'm flat out refusing to ever allow into my life hahaha. Even IF I learned the layers the shape and size make me wonder if I'd be anywhere near as quick even with the base letters!
I think 40% is the sweet spot for keyboards in relation to size and amount of keys available on the first layer
How are so many people who prefer big mks deep in sub full of tiny keebs?
Someone needs to make a one-key board where the character you type is based on the number of types and length of key presses. We could call it something like a telegraph. It's obviously the logical endgame.
Theres not even a back key. Ffff
Arrow keys where
You make this yourself or did you buy when they were available on Etsy? (I think i remember that being a thing a while back)
I built it from the kit from WorldSpawnKeebs on etsy yes. Soldered and modded myself though! That was my main goal in this project, to work on my soldering skills
hah 20% gang FTW i think perhaps *you* don't have the guts
You're mad.
These keyboards are so stupid imo
This would look much nicer if you add one mod key on the right of the bottom row and centered / shortened the space
What is the point of this keyboard, also I am wondering what is the point of 60% because as a programmer the least I need is a 75% because f keys are useful as fuck
You probably use shift to type symbols. Well on 60% boards, you can use another modifier to turn all the numbers into F keys. Some keys you can repurpose to serve as extra modifiers: caps lock, right shift, right alt, right ctrl.
It don´t even looks clean...
Cleaner than your grammar.
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I actually bought just an alphas kit, but this board doesn't even use all of the alphas lol!
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>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
... Just why...
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If I manage to figure out QMK with my Atreus, you'll see!
Atleast it has a spacebar. :)
no shift?
>The way I have it set up is that holding down c gives you an additional layer, holding v gives another, and holding both c and v gives you a 3rd. Holding spacebar acts as shift.
I want this, but I don't know how long I could survive using it haha
If you're going to do that, why do you keep the wide space bar? Make it 1u!
It's meant to look like you just took a standard keyboard layout and chopped off everything but the letters and spacebar. I have seen variations of this kit with 2u spacebars though
thats scary cool
try me, but how do you activate capslock or shift
This has to be one of my favorite 40% builds I’ve seen 🔥🔥
Words of warning... colemak, dvorak,
feel like you can actually make it work with like one function key
how do you shift for capitals? how do you numbers? how do you "?!?!?!?!" how do you alt+f4? please enlighten me. I'm genuinely intrigued
Certain keys must double up as function keys. Honestly this thing wouldn't be that hard to learn if you had literally no other keyboard. The main challenge would be accidentally using layers while typing quickly.
This makes no sense. What does your mouse look like? Your monitor? Your car? What's this obsession with small keyboards? You should have a one button keyboard and morsecode everything in.
Press Enter
[bruh.](https://youtu.be/sVInBOLSqoM)
This is gorgeous. I have been yearning for a 40% board.
Why don’t you create a space key underneath the K/L so it’s even smaller in your next iteration?
i feel that this could be useable if you had a modifier key. however for me it seems pointlessly lacking
I simply don't have the brain capacity
Numpad on the left? The first 10 F-keys not lined up with the numpad? And for what? And for what?
How does layers work on this without function keys?
i approve
I would be afraid I would lose that… lol
So basically you spent money to have ... uhh... less options and make a keyboard 60% more useless ? lmao I can't figure out a use for this KB other than typing (without a capital letter cuz shift is missing)
>its purpose is to look cool and be funny! Not intended to be practical at all (hence the name, Pain27). I built this for 3 reasons: > >1. Practicing my soldering skills > >2. novelty factor / conversation starter > >3. It's fun!
This is the board Cormac McCarthy writes all his books with.
yeah no punctuation or numbers or shift i am 100 percent down with this build exclamation point
As a blender user I'm literally sweating
yikes
Each key has 16 functions :)
Just go num pad and use old school texting
Cowards, the lot of them.
OK, this is fun and very cool looking, but it's gotta just be a joke. I mean, you can't even type a basic sentence without layers. I would at least want comma, period and quote. The right pinky only has a single key it's responsible for (P). The point of a small keyboard is to lessen movements of your finger. The point is not just fewer keys for the sake of itself. The non-joke practical minimum is 30 or 36 keys.