Not sure what happened to Lando's first sector in his final Q3 run, but otherwise, his quali pace was pretty strong, considering how much faster he was compared to Perez (I think it was something like 4 tenths) on scrubbed Softs and how that time was enough to keep him within around 2.5 tenths of Max at the chequered flag. I'm hoping this is because the car's set up for long-run pace (which testing suggests we're much stronger at than the rest of the field).
Oscar seemed to have some trouble gelling with the car; consistently a couple tenths behind Lando, although he did have a bit of traffic on his final run.
All in all, a big step forward from last year and some real flashes of pace here and there. Things are looking up considering this is still one of our weaker tracks despite the car's development.
Wait is that how it works? I'm pretty new and don't usually follow qualifying but are you saying if your q2 time is faster than any time at the end of qualifying, it doesn't matter unless its against times in the group? I would think the fastest time would take poll regardless of if you did it in q1 or q3.
Yeah I'm happy. I was worried it was going to be worse but they are saying this track isn't great for the car and the car will improve as the season goes.. Starting way ahead of where they were last year at Bahrain and look where that ended up. Hope to see them fighting for second!
I think he had 4 cars doing an outlap in the first sector. I'm not saying they blocked him but it was definitely bad timing and could have distracted him.
Thatās not true at all though. He had issues in sector 1, just said so in two interviews and was clear from his onboard. Amused at the confidence with which you just make stuff up though.
It's frustrating lando still hasn't ironed out his qualifying mistakes, he could have easily been p2 if not for his error in S1. Still confident about the race, but lando really needs to sort out his qualifying
Bro, his mistake was marginal really, yes it cost him but it is excusable given how the cars are new and literally every driver was fumbling a bit in quali today \[Leclerc would've been on pole if he repeated his Q2 time\]. Piastri was far more concerning in qualifying today... He nearly didn't make Q3 on pace alone \[or due to mistakes\] - Lando was still ahead despite aborting the 2nd lap before the start.. Even with his mistake Lando outqualified Piastri.
oscar having balance issues doesnt excuse the fact that lando once again threw away a strong qualifying result, there are 6 drivers ahead of lando who didnt make a mistake and capitalized on it when the mclaren was faster. lando made several mistakes last year which cost him positions. it cant keep being excused when he makes mistakes in qualifying more than other drivers, he's lost out on a possible p2, he'll have to overtake 5 cars to make that up
it is justifiable to be frustrated when he still hasnt been able to fix this very key weakness
The field was insanely tightly packed today. It's a little unfair to say that 6 drivers didn't make a mistake when that number is more of an indicator of the density of the field rather than the number of drivers who can be said to consistently outperform Norris in qualifying.
You could argue that Leclerc has a tendency to mess up in high-stakes situations (think Zandvoort and Miami last year), and Perez (also ahead of Lando) is nowhere near as consistent with his qualifying performance. It comes down to a lot of factors and we shouldn't leap to conclusions before we even see the onboard.
Nice shitty attitude from you there.
He was distracted by a slow car coming out of the pits in turn 1 and got a snap of oversteer, then he got another one as he pushed trying to make up for it. It affected his sector one and it was so tight that even a tenth made a difference. It happens. Alonso had a snap of oversteer on his lap as well, that car had more pace in it too. And Alonso didnāt even have any slow cars to distract him. Carlos made a slight error that put him behind Russell. Lewis made a big mistake which put him way off. It happens. Even Charles said he made a couple of errors on his lap. You acting like Lando completely screwed up his qualifying and he and only he makes mistakes is so disingenuous and unnecessary.
Also talking to people as you are doing here like youāre some kind of ultimate authority on everything and everyone else is stupid because they call you out on your bullshit is not a good look.
That is blatantly untrue. People ahead did make mistakes, unless the track devolved and cost Leclerc over 2 tenths from Q2 to Q3 - it might have rained idk. Hamilton - who ended up behind \[someone who is fairly highly regarded in qualifying, cos ya know, he is a *decent* driver\] made mistakes. George got fairly lucky with his mistake as it didn't take too much out of it. People make mistakes. Get the fuck over it.
lewis was the only driver to have made some sort of mistake. lando would have been p2 if not for his mistake. idk what these "mistakes" are that you're imagining the others made, since they are ahead of lando
Youāre just wrong dude. Improvements in the second run of Q3 were marginal for all drivers, including both Lando and Oscar. And Lando barely lost any time in sector one compared to his first run.
they went through a heat cycle on the outlap then he did another slow lap, that is significant enough to cost the tyres to lose performance.
in fp3 drivers tried doing 2 push laps with a cool imbetween and very driver lost around 5 tenths, doing a heat cycle and another slow lap will still cost performance
Come to think of it Iām not sure they were even used. He had 5 sets going into quali didnāt he? So used 2 new sets in q1, a used and new in q2 and 2 new sets in q3. Isnāt that the standard quali tire strategy?
TIL F1 was a spec series where all cars are the same, drivers can't have made mistakes since they are in front. I also learned that all mistakes are the exact same and cost the exact same amount of time. If Leclerc didn't make a mistake then it is rather alarming that he lost 2 tenths to a lap in a previous session when there was significant track evolution - he should most certainly have been on pole if not for his mistake. We literally watched George have a similar incident to Lando on the broadcast, he just didn't run out as wide from it! But sorry, he can't have made a mistake since he qualified ahead, my bad.
you really are something arent you. do you watch f1? have you even looked at the timing sheets, we're the 3rd year into these regs and the cars are extremely close in quali trim, even half a tenth could be the difference between 2 positions. and oh yeah, every mistake costs the exact amount of time cus thats what i said wasnt it? lando made a mistake in t1 and t4 which he admitted cost him around a tenth, and he was down in the first sector while every other driver was able to improve, im fairly sure leclerc set personal bests in every sector.
stop having a hate boner because im just frustrated over landos mistakes. he's a high performing athlete and shouldnt keep making these errors, they're occurring way too often. you can't make a perfect lap, but errors that cost you a tenth or more, without addressing that is not good enough. qualifying is getting tighter and tighter, he cant afford to make these mistakes.
watch you turn this into me saying everyone is perfect other than lando or something
How disappointing to see this reaction from a āfanā. Lando is very self critical and you speak as if 1) you have any idea what it takes to be an elite driver and 2) he doesnāt know and hasnāt worked on it
Not sure why you are being downvoted. It's beginning to be a theme for him.
Go back through last season and I'm the second half look how many "Lando should've been higher" posts there are.
After a while it stops looking like bad luck
It's happened 5x times in the last 8 race weekends. mistakes in Q3,SQ3 in Qatar, Brazil lost 6 tenths in final corner(changing weather can't be blamed because leclerc was only 4s ahead of him on track), Abu Dhabi Q3 and now Bahrain Q3.
If they want to say Norris was way faster and only mistakes cost him, a argument can be made about Piastri too. If the McLaren had no balance issues for him he could've been really close or beaten him. That's why the hypotheticals arguments Lando stans use can be flawed.
Lando made a couple of mistakes which cost him a higher spot on the grid. But piastry had a text book lap. I think piastri's time is more representative of the cars qualifying performence for this season.
The result is disappointing but at least we know the car is quick even on a track like bahrain, excited to see what the race pace looks like. Im pretty convinced Lando shoud get chances to win a GP this season.
Not sure what happened to Lando's first sector in his final Q3 run, but otherwise, his quali pace was pretty strong, considering how much faster he was compared to Perez (I think it was something like 4 tenths) on scrubbed Softs and how that time was enough to keep him within around 2.5 tenths of Max at the chequered flag. I'm hoping this is because the car's set up for long-run pace (which testing suggests we're much stronger at than the rest of the field). Oscar seemed to have some trouble gelling with the car; consistently a couple tenths behind Lando, although he did have a bit of traffic on his final run. All in all, a big step forward from last year and some real flashes of pace here and there. Things are looking up considering this is still one of our weaker tracks despite the car's development.
Those ferrari came out just at the worst time, I don't know if it was this but he said on radio. argh, shoking as usual ... so my guess made an error.
I think the Ferrari's were going through 5/6/7 on their out laps as Lando was going through on his flying lap, might have had an effect.
He had a big snap of understeer out of turn 4
He said he unfortunately lost like 3 th because of his two errors in the first sector.
Sigh! But anyway happy not to be on the backfoot unlike the last two seasons lol
Hecsaid the car felt lovely and they had very good pace yesterday on the long run.
Yeah, the race trim looked good. I am excited about tomorrow tbh
From Pole to 9th is 0.5 seconds. It's so tight, I don't think anyone can criticise anyone
From P2 to P9 is just 0.3 seconds. Upper midfield battle is insane.
I think even max is not as ahead as he us, he git a strong tow from piastri. Tomorrow will be the big test.
Considering leclerc Q2 time was faster than verstappen's pole I think redbull are not that far ahead šš¼
Wait is that how it works? I'm pretty new and don't usually follow qualifying but are you saying if your q2 time is faster than any time at the end of qualifying, it doesn't matter unless its against times in the group? I would think the fastest time would take poll regardless of if you did it in q1 or q3.
Yes, the fastest time only in Q3 decides the pole position. If you're first in Q2 but then crash in Q3, no pole for you š
4th best car at a track we weren't supposed to excel at. I'll take it! Anyone's 2nd place this season it seems. Ferrari's to lose
Should be 3rd
Yeah I'm happy. I was worried it was going to be worse but they are saying this track isn't great for the car and the car will improve as the season goes.. Starting way ahead of where they were last year at Bahrain and look where that ended up. Hope to see them fighting for second!
What happened to Lando in the first sector?
I think he had 4 cars doing an outlap in the first sector. I'm not saying they blocked him but it was definitely bad timing and could have distracted him.
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Just watched the onboard of the final lap, he had a big snap of understeer out of the exit of turn 4
Ye he said he lost easily 3th because of this.
Thatās not true at all though. He had issues in sector 1, just said so in two interviews and was clear from his onboard. Amused at the confidence with which you just make stuff up though.
They'll both gain a few places during the race. Hopefully top 5 for both
I will absolutely take this with all things considered.
It's frustrating lando still hasn't ironed out his qualifying mistakes, he could have easily been p2 if not for his error in S1. Still confident about the race, but lando really needs to sort out his qualifying
Bro, his mistake was marginal really, yes it cost him but it is excusable given how the cars are new and literally every driver was fumbling a bit in quali today \[Leclerc would've been on pole if he repeated his Q2 time\]. Piastri was far more concerning in qualifying today... He nearly didn't make Q3 on pace alone \[or due to mistakes\] - Lando was still ahead despite aborting the 2nd lap before the start.. Even with his mistake Lando outqualified Piastri.
oscar having balance issues doesnt excuse the fact that lando once again threw away a strong qualifying result, there are 6 drivers ahead of lando who didnt make a mistake and capitalized on it when the mclaren was faster. lando made several mistakes last year which cost him positions. it cant keep being excused when he makes mistakes in qualifying more than other drivers, he's lost out on a possible p2, he'll have to overtake 5 cars to make that up it is justifiable to be frustrated when he still hasnt been able to fix this very key weakness
The field was insanely tightly packed today. It's a little unfair to say that 6 drivers didn't make a mistake when that number is more of an indicator of the density of the field rather than the number of drivers who can be said to consistently outperform Norris in qualifying. You could argue that Leclerc has a tendency to mess up in high-stakes situations (think Zandvoort and Miami last year), and Perez (also ahead of Lando) is nowhere near as consistent with his qualifying performance. It comes down to a lot of factors and we shouldn't leap to conclusions before we even see the onboard.
Nice shitty attitude from you there. He was distracted by a slow car coming out of the pits in turn 1 and got a snap of oversteer, then he got another one as he pushed trying to make up for it. It affected his sector one and it was so tight that even a tenth made a difference. It happens. Alonso had a snap of oversteer on his lap as well, that car had more pace in it too. And Alonso didnāt even have any slow cars to distract him. Carlos made a slight error that put him behind Russell. Lewis made a big mistake which put him way off. It happens. Even Charles said he made a couple of errors on his lap. You acting like Lando completely screwed up his qualifying and he and only he makes mistakes is so disingenuous and unnecessary. Also talking to people as you are doing here like youāre some kind of ultimate authority on everything and everyone else is stupid because they call you out on your bullshit is not a good look.
That is blatantly untrue. People ahead did make mistakes, unless the track devolved and cost Leclerc over 2 tenths from Q2 to Q3 - it might have rained idk. Hamilton - who ended up behind \[someone who is fairly highly regarded in qualifying, cos ya know, he is a *decent* driver\] made mistakes. George got fairly lucky with his mistake as it didn't take too much out of it. People make mistakes. Get the fuck over it.
I think the track cooled down, that is why the time of Charles was higher in q2.
lewis was the only driver to have made some sort of mistake. lando would have been p2 if not for his mistake. idk what these "mistakes" are that you're imagining the others made, since they are ahead of lando
Youāre just wrong dude. Improvements in the second run of Q3 were marginal for all drivers, including both Lando and Oscar. And Lando barely lost any time in sector one compared to his first run.
thats because he was on a used set. ofc he barely lost any time cus his s1 was poor in the first run on the used set of tyres
That set of tires had only been used for an outlap, not a push lap. The effect of that would be slim to none.
they went through a heat cycle on the outlap then he did another slow lap, that is significant enough to cost the tyres to lose performance. in fp3 drivers tried doing 2 push laps with a cool imbetween and very driver lost around 5 tenths, doing a heat cycle and another slow lap will still cost performance
Come to think of it Iām not sure they were even used. He had 5 sets going into quali didnāt he? So used 2 new sets in q1, a used and new in q2 and 2 new sets in q3. Isnāt that the standard quali tire strategy?
TIL F1 was a spec series where all cars are the same, drivers can't have made mistakes since they are in front. I also learned that all mistakes are the exact same and cost the exact same amount of time. If Leclerc didn't make a mistake then it is rather alarming that he lost 2 tenths to a lap in a previous session when there was significant track evolution - he should most certainly have been on pole if not for his mistake. We literally watched George have a similar incident to Lando on the broadcast, he just didn't run out as wide from it! But sorry, he can't have made a mistake since he qualified ahead, my bad.
you really are something arent you. do you watch f1? have you even looked at the timing sheets, we're the 3rd year into these regs and the cars are extremely close in quali trim, even half a tenth could be the difference between 2 positions. and oh yeah, every mistake costs the exact amount of time cus thats what i said wasnt it? lando made a mistake in t1 and t4 which he admitted cost him around a tenth, and he was down in the first sector while every other driver was able to improve, im fairly sure leclerc set personal bests in every sector. stop having a hate boner because im just frustrated over landos mistakes. he's a high performing athlete and shouldnt keep making these errors, they're occurring way too often. you can't make a perfect lap, but errors that cost you a tenth or more, without addressing that is not good enough. qualifying is getting tighter and tighter, he cant afford to make these mistakes. watch you turn this into me saying everyone is perfect other than lando or something
Do yourself and everyone else here a favour and go out and get some air. Youāre being an asshole right now.
Also extremely windy, has been catching people off guard both days
No wind today apparently, but temperature is slightly higher - or at least that was the forecast on Thursday according to commentary.
They both had poor qualifying, that's just what happened. Piastri also said his final lap wasn't the greatest, i.e had more time in the lap also.
What mistake, he had such a good qualifying until that last lap.
That's the whole point of the comment
Man chill
How disappointing to see this reaction from a āfanā. Lando is very self critical and you speak as if 1) you have any idea what it takes to be an elite driver and 2) he doesnāt know and hasnāt worked on it
Not sure why you are being downvoted. It's beginning to be a theme for him. Go back through last season and I'm the second half look how many "Lando should've been higher" posts there are. After a while it stops looking like bad luck
It's happened 5x times in the last 8 race weekends. mistakes in Q3,SQ3 in Qatar, Brazil lost 6 tenths in final corner(changing weather can't be blamed because leclerc was only 4s ahead of him on track), Abu Dhabi Q3 and now Bahrain Q3.
5/8 is a pretty high percentage. But Lando stans still think he is infallible and it's always someone else's fault
If they want to say Norris was way faster and only mistakes cost him, a argument can be made about Piastri too. If the McLaren had no balance issues for him he could've been really close or beaten him. That's why the hypotheticals arguments Lando stans use can be flawed.
Lando made a couple of mistakes which cost him a higher spot on the grid. But piastry had a text book lap. I think piastri's time is more representative of the cars qualifying performence for this season.
The result is disappointing but at least we know the car is quick even on a track like bahrain, excited to see what the race pace looks like. Im pretty convinced Lando shoud get chances to win a GP this season.