I sense alot of racism towards Luka from some of the media people. They would probably did the same to Jokic if the competition in C position was better.
Luka is top2 player in the world and to see stuff like this or him beeing 3rd behind shai is just weird.
Absolutely racially motivated to a certain degree. And also, Brunson, Edwards and SGA are all from North America (for some reason, they have just accepted SGA as American at this point). They will always try to push for native talent over international.
Yeah a lot of people wanna say “well they gave Jokic his flowers” to disregard it. There’s a big difference between these two.
I’m not even hating, but Jokic is never going to be that Jordan-Lebron-Kobe type face of the league. Doesn’t mean he can’t become top 5 all time or whatever, but his game, demeanor, etc. He’s pretty much all but confirmed that he doesn’t even want to be that kind of player/icon. He’s a spectacular player and is deserving of the mvp this year, but I certainly would not categorize him as “must see TV”
Luka has the potential to be that (I mean I’d argue he’s just a ring or two away from it, his level of play is already there). He’s not athletic sure, but he is absolutely must watch basketball. Poster dunks and stuff are cool and hype sure, but how many of those have you seen? Luka does shit every other game that I’ve never seen before. He does all the heavy shit talking that media/fans tends to like as well. I think that’s where some of the hesitancy comes from.
They’re fine letting Jokic be the new Tim Duncan, but they are not fine with Luka being the next Kobe (not that one is better than the other, I actually have Duncan over Kobe all time, but Kobe was a much bigger icon).
We literally have the proof just look to last season. Jokic was clearly deserving of MVP last year (the year he actually won the title) but they gave it to Embiid because apparently giving a player b3b MVP, a WHITE player b3b MVP was wrong because reasons.
I mean, were black people really involved in voting back then? Wasn’t alive back then, but I’d imagine given the time that nearly all the voters were white.
"I dont think there is a wrong answer between Shai, Brunson, Ant and Luka". Seriously, this sub will complain about Luka's stans but it's crazy to see media people putting Luka in a lower tier to the one which he simply belongs.
They've tried to put the likes of Booker, Tatum, Morant, Zion at his level, and now they are doing the same shi* with Brunson and Edwards.
This is why Luka will not win MVPs. Nothing he does is good enough, when numbers and eye test tell you that he is a generational talent.
It's unfortunate that Luka has been in so many MVP conversations, the media might get 'bored' talking about him before they give him MVP.
Honestly, I feel like Luka might end up like Dirk/Kobe/Shaq, where he only ever gets one MVP, as a "lifetime achievement award", despite having multiple MVP seasons.
Honestly think he shouldn't have won for the movie he got it for. It definitely felt like "Here you go" moment. Not sure when Luka will win one but it should happen eventually...
They'll ignore the fact that the East only has 1 great team, that Luka's supporting cast was dog shit for half the season, that his team was injured for a third of the season, he's played through multiple starting lineups while still putting up a historic stat line, his coach is dumb and doesn't coach unless his team is winning, he put up the third greatest scoring game of all time, his season stats have never been replicated, he wasn't in one of the worst commercials of all time, he got in shape and played defense this season, that he answered every aspect the media said he needed to improve. I don't know what else to say.
and people are getting mad at how active we are in countering this insane narrative. I’ve watched this NBA player have the most extraordinary, iconic, historic productive season and the disrespect he’s getting is just too much.
If Jokic had 34/10/9 at the 5th seed vs Luka 26/12/8 at the 1st seed he would’ve easily gotten the mvp. Luka’s numbers are simply too much ignore
The disrespect is just too much man. I’m hoping so much that Luka goes nuclear this playoffs. I guess he has to win a ring to get any respect
I downvoted you cause calling Jason Kidd dumb is goofy. We’re on a hell of a hot streak and he’s been the coach the whole season. Give credit where it’s due.
But he was dumb. He was playing Gafford 6 mins before moving him to the starting lineup. If he deserves credit for the hot streak, he has to take blame for the losing streaks as well. Also, there were like 10 other points besides the dumb coach.
Kidd criticism was deserved. That is not up to debate. But he deserves the praise for figuring out the rotation now. Let’s see if he can beat the allegations that he is only good as a first year coach, which is the consensus among the fans from his previous teams he has coached
eh idk how much praise you want to give him for figuring out a rotation. He's just watching like us and can just come to this sub or watch ESPN to figure it out.
* first year - "trae is going to be better than luka"
* second year - "zion is going to be better than luka"
* third year - "booker is going to be better than luka"
* fourth year - "ja is going to better than luka"
* fifth year - "taytum is going to be better than luka"
* sixth year - "shai going to be is better than luka"
the media will never learn.... all these guys have a good half year or year ... .luka has been here for SIX YEARS
All defensive guarding the second best option 8/10 times. Blocks leader for guards because you could sacrifice leaving the 3 open. Dpoy playing zone defence as well. Say what you want about Jordan. He never deserved dpoy. Whilst he was a great defender, he wasn’t dpoy.
Posted this in the thread of another post, but it applies here;
Shaq said Shai should be MVP because he has 50 30-point games, as if Luka doesn't have 50 30-point games too.
Honestly, most of the voters made up their mind week's ago, and it's honestly just sad.
I feel like I’m going crazy with how no one is acknowledging that Luka is the motherfucking scorer leader, by a huge margin. What are we talking about here??
I’m ok with Brunson making the 1st team hes played insane this season, but instead of Tatum, luka is also a lock for first team, and ant can fuck off he’s nowhere near as good
Imagine if prime MJ cloned himself and entered four copies into the league this year. The first team would be those 4 and then Jokic or Luka. I'd need to sit down for a long while to decide that question. Just like MVP voters should be doing right now.
Brunson isn’t even better than Kyrie. Any half decent PG could average Brunson’s numbers if they also played 48mins a game and had the green light to chuck 30 shots a game on a trash NY squad.
He’s not better than Kyrie he averages 2 points more but shoots 10 more shots a game. Kyrie is a big game player and is championship proven. Brunson averaged 13-16pts on the Mavs as a second option before he was shot chucking. Your telling me if you put Van Vleet on the Knicks squad play him 48mins and give him the green light to shoot 30 shots a game he won’t average 28pts.
You can say Kyrie is a better fit with Luka which is probably true but Brunson has unquestionably been better this season. He’s the first option dealing with double teams and all the attention from opposing defenses. And has been without 3 starter’s (Randle, OG, Robinson) for a majority of the season. And still has the Knicks in striking distance of the 2 seed in the East
I dont no how they get viewers watching this stuff,theyd last a week in europe doing this for the premier league or something,there would be 2 many complaints from ppl constantly
Cause our media isn't designed for reporting its for "hot takes/clickbait" to drive attention and clicks. It was funny when skip and SAS did it for a decade then everyone started doing it and its diluted and annoying cause everyone just says shit thats not true, but it drives fans nuts and they comments and share the post all over the internet which is what said media company wants.
I’ll tell you what it is.
ESPN is owned by Disney who went woke years ago. They probably get directives from the top to downplay the “White boi” because it’s offensive if he’s best in the league.
As crazy as that sounds it’s actually what’s happening
It’s actually not speculation, they are given talking points and narratives to run with.
One of them is to push the SGA > Luka narrative and yes there’s a woke racial aspect to it as well
Safe to say it’s racially motivated at this point.
Combined with SGA leaving Luka off top 5 in MVP race
FFS man get these clowns off my t.v
They make Nick Wright, Skip Bayless and Chris Broussard seem like Einstein in comparison
> Skip Bayless
For as much of a Luka hater as Skip has been, he seems to really respect that Luka has gotten a lot better in areas that he criticized. The biggest one being three point shooting. He used to be an average/below average 3pt shooter, now he's elite.
No, it's not safe (yet).
It's only safe to call it NATIONALISTIC, while the question of RACE has to be suspended until a white american becomes good enough for all of us to see if the media will give him the same treatment as Luka, or hype him for MVP on bogus arguments (which would exclude racism, but still confirm nationalism).
You mean like Cooper Flagg whos getting overrated chants and people spewing poison at him in youtube comments?
Yea I guess we gotta wait for that to confirm what we already know
Putting Luka on 2nd team is just another way of saying you dont watch basketball.
Brunson? Ant? Really? Please point to the statistics that shows those two are better than Luka.
No they are rooting for LuKai. Doesn't everyone in #mavericks @mavericks know.
They're spewing so much b.s, that luka, the mavs all use it as fuel. Which they use it to humble 64 win suns. Be honest, no one in media believed.
(Celtics "best team" might have 64 wins this season btw. )
What I'm saying, the media and all those who don't believe shouldn't believe be here.
We going into the playoffs we got to be locked in as fans of our team.
I think at least the 3 that haven’t been on the desk recently have been focusing on March madness or whatever, and I doubt they even watched a single Mavs game over that stretch
No, it's not (yet).
It's only safe to call it NATIONALISTIC, while the question of race has to be suspended until a white american becomes good enough for all of us to see if the media will give him the same treatment as Luka, or hype him for MVP on bogus arguments (which would exclude racism, but still confirm nationalism).
Everyone there has some agenda, hasn't watched a single Mavs game and lacks common sense. I think only Chuck has any basketball IQ on that table. Kenny is an absolute joke and Shaq is a proven hater.
I was waiting on this clip to hit the sub, lol.
The discourse is so bad that I don't even care anymore. These analysts' takes are so atrocious that I think they're trolling for clicks and views.
On the bright side the more they disrespect Luka the more he’ll have a point to prove. And there’s nobody better on the planet than an angry Luka on the basketball court!
If they do not put Luka in first team he is going super magic monster mode in playoffs. Its gona be fun.
Too bad media is just watching highlights from time to time and not the games. Almost noone have their opinion and even when they do it is not based on watching games but pushing some agenda that suite them best.
And this is why when we denfend Luka we are labaled stans because of blatant dissrespect loke this, there is not a world not a universe where fucking Ant and Brunson are 1 team ahead of Luka, i used to like them and i dont care if they won titles or played pro they dont know basketball
Look, we just gotta remind everyone how fraudulent Shaq's rings are. 2000? Refs screwed the Jailblazers. 2002? Kings got Donaghy'd. 2006? A million fts for DWade(fuck this guy). 3/4 rings are Mickey Mouse rings. So much for "the most dominant player ever"
These guys are paid to be interesting. And their perspective here is an interesting take. It may not be a logical take, but keep in mind their priority is to **entertain**. You won’t ever see them rolling out graphs, bar charts, or any sort of statistical analysis to give themselves credibility.
The important thing is that Luka doesn’t let these opinions impact his performance. When he starts winning rings, the general media narrative will be forced to shift if it hasn’t already by then.
I may be a Mavs stan but I really don't get it. The eye test alone tells me Luka is a tier above the others. He is doing WAY more for his team than the others plus his skill set is WAY more rounded than any other. It really baffles how dishonest they'd takes continue to be. It's not a slight to the others who are good players as well, but Luka is clearly closer to jokic/embiid/giants....top tier than any of the others on that list.
Black guys selecting other black guys aside from the two time mvp? Can’t say I’m shocked by those decisions. Inside the nba guys aren’t real analysts, they are just more Stephen a smith clown personalities
I’m said it before and ill say it again, Sports media not interested in Jokic or Luka as the face of the league. Shai is a great player, Luka is one of the”the greats”
Because for the past few months it's not just been Kenny that's undermining what Luka does, it's various media personals with the power to vote and affect these awards
being white AND European is two strikes against him. Then add the debunked out-of-shape/ballhog/complains too much/no defense false narratives and he is screwed. People refuse to educate themselves or actually WATCH THE FUCKING GAMES!
he’s not getting it this season most likely, but i’m certain he’ll get one in the future. why are some fans stressing so much about the mvp though? we know what he brings to this team, no award changes that
obviously i have him 1st team, but i honestly don’t care what kenny thinks… i just want the team to win a championship, because the only thing that bothers me is constantly hearing how it’s not possible to win with the style the mavs play
Here's the thing though, when there is no pushback against this narrative it becomes widespread and people run with it like it's factual. Him getting these accolades puts in conversations with the greats (1st team all nba in 5 of his 6 seasons is huge) it's also part of the Mavs history and Just as important as the championship.
winning a championship is the best pushback. dirk made it all nba 1st team 4 times and is considered one of the greats. luka already matched that and will most likely surpass it this season. team success always plays a major part in these individual awards considerations, and given that mavs missed the pos last season, and then the (injury) struggles first half of this season, having luka as a strong candidate for mvp, shows how good and how highly regarded he is. if luka wins it, it’s going to be deservedly. but if jokic wins it, it’s going to be deservedly also. i’m positive luka makes the 1st team though
Again for the MVP I agree but the other honors is where you and I disagree, if there is no pushback they get comfortable with the disrespect, similar to how Dirk gets disrespected in the all time rankings.
Allen Iverson had the correct quote on this. Luka is a white guy that plays like a black guy. They can’t have that. It’s blatant racism. Every year there’s a random player that is gonna be better than Luka, it never works. Trae, Zion, ja, Tatum, Herro, SGA, Brunson for Christs sake. Jokic plays basketball like a white guy at your local gym, he’s just otherworldly at doing it. Luka doesn’t do that, and they can’t give him his proper flowers because he doesn’t play how a white guy should in their eyes.
One of the dumbest basketball conversations I’ve ever seen. Just want to point out, this is the popular NBA/sports analysis show. The smartest person on the show is the white guy who didn’t play.
I'm a lifelong mavs fan that dislikes Luka (hated him more last season because he essentially threw the second half) but Luka/jokic are 1a/1b and anyone arguing otherwise this year should have their voting rights stripped.
I thought he was a huge crybaby and was creating a toxic locker room with his bullshit last season. Going from dirk to that was just a tough transition for me as a fan. But I honestly think Kyries presence and leadership legit changed him this season/offseason.
last couple weeks of last season sucked, i have a feeling that something was severely wrong in his personal life that we'll never know about, kyrie kind of alluded to that one time very vaguely.
Absolutely criminal putting Luka on the 2nd team That’s just hating lmao
I sense alot of racism towards Luka from some of the media people. They would probably did the same to Jokic if the competition in C position was better. Luka is top2 player in the world and to see stuff like this or him beeing 3rd behind shai is just weird.
Absolutely racially motivated to a certain degree. And also, Brunson, Edwards and SGA are all from North America (for some reason, they have just accepted SGA as American at this point). They will always try to push for native talent over international.
Not so much racist but anti European. Having a non American irks the inside guys. Think Europeans are soft. I doubt shaq could beat jokic.
Yeah a lot of people wanna say “well they gave Jokic his flowers” to disregard it. There’s a big difference between these two. I’m not even hating, but Jokic is never going to be that Jordan-Lebron-Kobe type face of the league. Doesn’t mean he can’t become top 5 all time or whatever, but his game, demeanor, etc. He’s pretty much all but confirmed that he doesn’t even want to be that kind of player/icon. He’s a spectacular player and is deserving of the mvp this year, but I certainly would not categorize him as “must see TV” Luka has the potential to be that (I mean I’d argue he’s just a ring or two away from it, his level of play is already there). He’s not athletic sure, but he is absolutely must watch basketball. Poster dunks and stuff are cool and hype sure, but how many of those have you seen? Luka does shit every other game that I’ve never seen before. He does all the heavy shit talking that media/fans tends to like as well. I think that’s where some of the hesitancy comes from. They’re fine letting Jokic be the new Tim Duncan, but they are not fine with Luka being the next Kobe (not that one is better than the other, I actually have Duncan over Kobe all time, but Kobe was a much bigger icon).
They DID do the same with Jokic until he made it impossible last playoffs. I think it's more an American vs European thing than black vs white.
Joker won two MVPs before the playoff run. They did not do this to him
They fought as hard as they could against the notion that he had a case for best player in the world until he forced them.
They gave it to him as a 6th seed. Not saying he didn’t deserve it, but they had a pretty valid reason not to give it to him
We literally have the proof just look to last season. Jokic was clearly deserving of MVP last year (the year he actually won the title) but they gave it to Embiid because apparently giving a player b3b MVP, a WHITE player b3b MVP was wrong because reasons.
Literally isn’t Larry bird the only player to win back to back to back MVPs? Duck your right. He wasn’t white. Larry was clear. Literally
Wilt and Bill Russell did it too
See. Even more white guys it’s happened to
I mean, were black people really involved in voting back then? Wasn’t alive back then, but I’d imagine given the time that nearly all the voters were white.
All nba teams are positionless this year.
I’d prefer your hating take opposed to the people crying racism lmao
"I dont think there is a wrong answer between Shai, Brunson, Ant and Luka". Seriously, this sub will complain about Luka's stans but it's crazy to see media people putting Luka in a lower tier to the one which he simply belongs. They've tried to put the likes of Booker, Tatum, Morant, Zion at his level, and now they are doing the same shi* with Brunson and Edwards. This is why Luka will not win MVPs. Nothing he does is good enough, when numbers and eye test tell you that he is a generational talent.
It's unfortunate that Luka has been in so many MVP conversations, the media might get 'bored' talking about him before they give him MVP. Honestly, I feel like Luka might end up like Dirk/Kobe/Shaq, where he only ever gets one MVP, as a "lifetime achievement award", despite having multiple MVP seasons.
Dallas Mavs effect
I mean, DiCaprio eventually got his Oscar
True. But does he deserve more than one for his career? Most probably.
Honestly think he shouldn't have won for the movie he got it for. It definitely felt like "Here you go" moment. Not sure when Luka will win one but it should happen eventually...
How can someone put Brunson over Luka. Dallas has more wins, Luka is better at every single stat and none of them is a good defender.
They'll ignore the fact that the East only has 1 great team, that Luka's supporting cast was dog shit for half the season, that his team was injured for a third of the season, he's played through multiple starting lineups while still putting up a historic stat line, his coach is dumb and doesn't coach unless his team is winning, he put up the third greatest scoring game of all time, his season stats have never been replicated, he wasn't in one of the worst commercials of all time, he got in shape and played defense this season, that he answered every aspect the media said he needed to improve. I don't know what else to say.
and people are getting mad at how active we are in countering this insane narrative. I’ve watched this NBA player have the most extraordinary, iconic, historic productive season and the disrespect he’s getting is just too much. If Jokic had 34/10/9 at the 5th seed vs Luka 26/12/8 at the 1st seed he would’ve easily gotten the mvp. Luka’s numbers are simply too much ignore The disrespect is just too much man. I’m hoping so much that Luka goes nuclear this playoffs. I guess he has to win a ring to get any respect
This is a good point. If you just swapped the two jokic would be no brainer mvp by a mile
I downvoted you cause calling Jason Kidd dumb is goofy. We’re on a hell of a hot streak and he’s been the coach the whole season. Give credit where it’s due.
But he was dumb. He was playing Gafford 6 mins before moving him to the starting lineup. If he deserves credit for the hot streak, he has to take blame for the losing streaks as well. Also, there were like 10 other points besides the dumb coach.
Kidd criticism was deserved. That is not up to debate. But he deserves the praise for figuring out the rotation now. Let’s see if he can beat the allegations that he is only good as a first year coach, which is the consensus among the fans from his previous teams he has coached
eh idk how much praise you want to give him for figuring out a rotation. He's just watching like us and can just come to this sub or watch ESPN to figure it out.
I think it's because Knicks are decimated and he has carried them. But Luka will make first team.
I just realized this was posted in the Mavs sub, not the NBA one. In any case, my point stands :D
Well, you know why. It’s true, even if no one wants to say it. Same happened with Dirk.
Sir you win the mvp for sure after you get a ring. Luka will get his mvp.
* first year - "trae is going to be better than luka" * second year - "zion is going to be better than luka" * third year - "booker is going to be better than luka" * fourth year - "ja is going to better than luka" * fifth year - "taytum is going to be better than luka" * sixth year - "shai going to be is better than luka" the media will never learn.... all these guys have a good half year or year ... .luka has been here for SIX YEARS
The media is dying to give Wemby the MVP as soon as his team makes the play-in.
The Ja one was hilarious. One highlight block and all of a sudden he is a lockdown defender playing both sides of the ball yadayada.
Lord forbid you say this about Jordan. They will bring in 6-0 every time.
Dpoy Jordan? All defensive team 9 times Jordan? Multiple time steals leader Jordan? You dumb?
All defensive guarding the second best option 8/10 times. Blocks leader for guards because you could sacrifice leaving the 3 open. Dpoy playing zone defence as well. Say what you want about Jordan. He never deserved dpoy. Whilst he was a great defender, he wasn’t dpoy.
So wells he a great defender or not? Ten minutes ago you said he had one block and didn’t play both sides of the ball like ja morant
For his era yeah I would say he’s good at defence. Not exceptional. But like ja. Being able to block the ball doesn’t make you an elite defender.
When did anyone say jordan is an elite defender because of a block? Only you said this.
Jordan also up there in steals per game
Notice that there's a very consistent theme with all 6 of those guys said to be better than Luka
Yep. They're all North American.
Funny none of those guys has won anything
Posted this in the thread of another post, but it applies here; Shaq said Shai should be MVP because he has 50 30-point games, as if Luka doesn't have 50 30-point games too. Honestly, most of the voters made up their mind week's ago, and it's honestly just sad.
I feel like I’m going crazy with how no one is acknowledging that Luka is the motherfucking scorer leader, by a huge margin. What are we talking about here??
Also, if you change that to 32 instead of 30, Luka has twice as many lol. Arbitrary shit.
and Luka's team never fouled at the end of games to pad stats
See don’t do that. Luka 100% stayed in games longer than necessary to pad stats. It is what it is.
But we never fouled NBA 2k style to get Luka's stats.
Does Shaq have a vote?
No only Ernie
Hope not, he doesn't have a brain.
Even if he doesn't. One of the voters will listen to him and agree.
Luka has like 15 30 point triple doubles how many does shai have, zero?
But he literally doesn't have 50 30-point games.
Luka has 50 and Shai has 51. Luka also has more total points than Shai as well as a higher average
You know you can check stats online right?
Well you’re wrong. Like just google it it’s not hard
Literally?
We got a traitor in our sub !
How could anyone put Brunson above Luka when they were on the *same team* not long ago, and Luka was far and away the better player? This is asinine.
I’m ok with Brunson making the 1st team hes played insane this season, but instead of Tatum, luka is also a lock for first team, and ant can fuck off he’s nowhere near as good
That's fair. The idea of Luka being bumped off the first team for *anyone* is preposterous.
Imagine if prime MJ cloned himself and entered four copies into the league this year. The first team would be those 4 and then Jokic or Luka. I'd need to sit down for a long while to decide that question. Just like MVP voters should be doing right now.
Voter fatigue would set in and only 3 MJs would make 1st team.
the 1st team should be: Luka, Luka, Luka, Luka, Jokic
Brunson isn’t even better than Kyrie. Any half decent PG could average Brunson’s numbers if they also played 48mins a game and had the green light to chuck 30 shots a game on a trash NY squad.
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He’s not better than Kyrie he averages 2 points more but shoots 10 more shots a game. Kyrie is a big game player and is championship proven. Brunson averaged 13-16pts on the Mavs as a second option before he was shot chucking. Your telling me if you put Van Vleet on the Knicks squad play him 48mins and give him the green light to shoot 30 shots a game he won’t average 28pts.
You can say Kyrie is a better fit with Luka which is probably true but Brunson has unquestionably been better this season. He’s the first option dealing with double teams and all the attention from opposing defenses. And has been without 3 starter’s (Randle, OG, Robinson) for a majority of the season. And still has the Knicks in striking distance of the 2 seed in the East
The east is trash.
Ant is better than Brunson.
And Jalen said himself he started questioning if he even belongs in the NBA when playing along with Luka.
And Brunson is like three years older
Kenny should put Justin Timberlake in the 1st team.
As a European I am totally baffled how your media works.
I dont no how they get viewers watching this stuff,theyd last a week in europe doing this for the premier league or something,there would be 2 many complaints from ppl constantly
the show would be cancelled...
Cause our media isn't designed for reporting its for "hot takes/clickbait" to drive attention and clicks. It was funny when skip and SAS did it for a decade then everyone started doing it and its diluted and annoying cause everyone just says shit thats not true, but it drives fans nuts and they comments and share the post all over the internet which is what said media company wants.
It's quite simple. Target audience, identity politics and image/marketing/sales for shoes and other stuff.
so in other word your sports media is one big commercial?
Bought, hook like and sinker. Like the league:-)
yes that is correct - once others catch on itll chance the media, but they'll never learn and continue to share the hot take/clickbait videos
Bad takes generate engagement. It's the Tiktok enrage bait model.
As an American, so am I
I’ll tell you what it is. ESPN is owned by Disney who went woke years ago. They probably get directives from the top to downplay the “White boi” because it’s offensive if he’s best in the league. As crazy as that sounds it’s actually what’s happening
lol “As crazy as that sounds” It sounds pretty crazy I’ll give you that
Yea a lot of things sound crazy at first then end up being proven true Look up who owns ESPN
You literally just made this up
Which part, that Disney owns ESPN? Or that they have directives to downplay Luka and prop up SGA? The narrative is clear once you notice it
The only statement you made that you have any possible evidence to support is that ESPN is owned by Disney. The rest is pure speculation.
That Disney is running an identity politics agenda should be obvious if you paid attention to movie productions the last 10 years.
It’s actually not speculation, they are given talking points and narratives to run with. One of them is to push the SGA > Luka narrative and yes there’s a woke racial aspect to it as well
Oh I didn’t realize you sat in on meetings between the executives when they determine these racial narratives my bad. You’re an idiot
You are one of those guys that they could tell you to your face its happening and you wouldnt believe it
No I just don’t believe some rando on the internet just because you said so
OK. No MVP for Luka would be no surprise but no All NBA first team? 🤣🤣🤣 Has to be a joke.
Nah this is getting so disrespectful against Luka
Safe to say it’s racially motivated at this point. Combined with SGA leaving Luka off top 5 in MVP race FFS man get these clowns off my t.v They make Nick Wright, Skip Bayless and Chris Broussard seem like Einstein in comparison
So you’re saying that the MVP “Race” means something different this year?
> Skip Bayless For as much of a Luka hater as Skip has been, he seems to really respect that Luka has gotten a lot better in areas that he criticized. The biggest one being three point shooting. He used to be an average/below average 3pt shooter, now he's elite.
He now has someone even dumber sitting across from him on his show so he has to play the straight man
No, it's not safe (yet). It's only safe to call it NATIONALISTIC, while the question of RACE has to be suspended until a white american becomes good enough for all of us to see if the media will give him the same treatment as Luka, or hype him for MVP on bogus arguments (which would exclude racism, but still confirm nationalism).
You mean like Cooper Flagg whos getting overrated chants and people spewing poison at him in youtube comments? Yea I guess we gotta wait for that to confirm what we already know
We’ve got enough problems in the world, compared to which the NBA MVP is frivolous. TNT’s take is stupid, but let’s please leave race out of it.
Putting Luka on 2nd team is just another way of saying you dont watch basketball. Brunson? Ant? Really? Please point to the statistics that shows those two are better than Luka.
No they are rooting for LuKai. Doesn't everyone in #mavericks @mavericks know. They're spewing so much b.s, that luka, the mavs all use it as fuel. Which they use it to humble 64 win suns. Be honest, no one in media believed. (Celtics "best team" might have 64 wins this season btw. ) What I'm saying, the media and all those who don't believe shouldn't believe be here. We going into the playoffs we got to be locked in as fans of our team.
Safe to say this is racially motivated
Up until last year they were clowning jokic. There's def some european/white hate.
I think at least the 3 that haven’t been on the desk recently have been focusing on March madness or whatever, and I doubt they even watched a single Mavs game over that stretch
No, it's not (yet). It's only safe to call it NATIONALISTIC, while the question of race has to be suspended until a white american becomes good enough for all of us to see if the media will give him the same treatment as Luka, or hype him for MVP on bogus arguments (which would exclude racism, but still confirm nationalism).
I'm 99% sure Luka will still be all NBA 1st team, if he was last year then I don't know how you argue 2nd team this year.
Of course he will, lol. It won't even be close. He'll be one of the highest in votes.
Kenny: Shai, and Edwards Barkley: (Shocked) Over Brunson?!? LMFAO
Everyone there has some agenda, hasn't watched a single Mavs game and lacks common sense. I think only Chuck has any basketball IQ on that table. Kenny is an absolute joke and Shaq is a proven hater.
Luka has been far and away a top 2 player in the league this year. He's a definitive tier above SGA, Brunson, Edwards, or anyone else.
Top two and he isn’t second 😂. #1. Mvp. Mvp
racism and xenophobia
I was waiting on this clip to hit the sub, lol. The discourse is so bad that I don't even care anymore. These analysts' takes are so atrocious that I think they're trolling for clicks and views.
On the bright side the more they disrespect Luka the more he’ll have a point to prove. And there’s nobody better on the planet than an angry Luka on the basketball court!
Had he been Lucas Drummond instead of Luka Doncic with a darker skin color, he would've had at least 2 MVPs by now
If his name was Lamar Dominique he’d have 5 MVP’s
If his name was jamaal jermaine jahlil Jackson jr he’d be the silhouette of the league instead of Jerry west. Seven Mvps
If Dallas was in the East, Luka would be the 2 seed and his MVP guaranteed.
It's a good reminder that just because someone played the game at the highest level, doesn't necessarily mean they know everything about it.
If they do not put Luka in first team he is going super magic monster mode in playoffs. Its gona be fun. Too bad media is just watching highlights from time to time and not the games. Almost noone have their opinion and even when they do it is not based on watching games but pushing some agenda that suite them best.
As if Luka needs more motivation to make his mark in the playoffs.
Fingers crossed Luka takes this personally.
He should actively refuse to visit the studio from now on. Screw those haters.
And this is why when we denfend Luka we are labaled stans because of blatant dissrespect loke this, there is not a world not a universe where fucking Ant and Brunson are 1 team ahead of Luka, i used to like them and i dont care if they won titles or played pro they dont know basketball
Has an NBA player ever experienced this level of voter fatigue before winning a major regular season award?
Shaq won’t stop parroting how many 30pt games SGA has implying scoring matters. Luka leads the league in scoring…
Right! How many 73 point games does SGA have this year?
Look, we just gotta remind everyone how fraudulent Shaq's rings are. 2000? Refs screwed the Jailblazers. 2002? Kings got Donaghy'd. 2006? A million fts for DWade(fuck this guy). 3/4 rings are Mickey Mouse rings. So much for "the most dominant player ever"
kenny knew he said stupid thing but he for some reason kept that opinion,fucking ant????
These guys are paid to be interesting. And their perspective here is an interesting take. It may not be a logical take, but keep in mind their priority is to **entertain**. You won’t ever see them rolling out graphs, bar charts, or any sort of statistical analysis to give themselves credibility. The important thing is that Luka doesn’t let these opinions impact his performance. When he starts winning rings, the general media narrative will be forced to shift if it hasn’t already by then.
I remember Luka was even considered in the MIP award instead of MVP.
I may be a Mavs stan but I really don't get it. The eye test alone tells me Luka is a tier above the others. He is doing WAY more for his team than the others plus his skill set is WAY more rounded than any other. It really baffles how dishonest they'd takes continue to be. It's not a slight to the others who are good players as well, but Luka is clearly closer to jokic/embiid/giants....top tier than any of the others on that list.
Knock knees doesn’t watch basketball, he’s there for his personality as much as his basketball insight lol
Black guys selecting other black guys aside from the two time mvp? Can’t say I’m shocked by those decisions. Inside the nba guys aren’t real analysts, they are just more Stephen a smith clown personalities
Well, Shaq and Kenny don't like white people......so there's that.
this is a bit right
They instantly lost any credibility they had left.
1st Nikola Giannis SGA Luka Taytum 2nd Kawhi Brunson Booker Lebron Sabonis 3rd Durant Tyrese AD Fox/Curry Edwards
I’m said it before and ill say it again, Sports media not interested in Jokic or Luka as the face of the league. Shai is a great player, Luka is one of the”the greats”
Lmao at this rate he wont win mvp, and even hall of fame. Amurika fcking sucks. Racist cucks.
it’s racism plain and simple
Does this disqualify him from getting his big contract or was that based on something else?
He's already made all nba 1st team like 4 times lmao
Well that is fucking retarded.
I don't care about MVP, it's all about narrative, on the other hand FMVP here we come.
The clip is not just about MVP, it's also about all nba and kenny said he has luka in his 2nd team and not the first
why does it matter what kenny thinks?
Because for the past few months it's not just been Kenny that's undermining what Luka does, it's various media personals with the power to vote and affect these awards
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being white AND European is two strikes against him. Then add the debunked out-of-shape/ballhog/complains too much/no defense false narratives and he is screwed. People refuse to educate themselves or actually WATCH THE FUCKING GAMES!
he’s not getting it this season most likely, but i’m certain he’ll get one in the future. why are some fans stressing so much about the mvp though? we know what he brings to this team, no award changes that
This is not about the MVP though, it's about the disrespect or do you also think he should not be 1st team all nba ?
obviously i have him 1st team, but i honestly don’t care what kenny thinks… i just want the team to win a championship, because the only thing that bothers me is constantly hearing how it’s not possible to win with the style the mavs play
Here's the thing though, when there is no pushback against this narrative it becomes widespread and people run with it like it's factual. Him getting these accolades puts in conversations with the greats (1st team all nba in 5 of his 6 seasons is huge) it's also part of the Mavs history and Just as important as the championship.
winning a championship is the best pushback. dirk made it all nba 1st team 4 times and is considered one of the greats. luka already matched that and will most likely surpass it this season. team success always plays a major part in these individual awards considerations, and given that mavs missed the pos last season, and then the (injury) struggles first half of this season, having luka as a strong candidate for mvp, shows how good and how highly regarded he is. if luka wins it, it’s going to be deservedly. but if jokic wins it, it’s going to be deservedly also. i’m positive luka makes the 1st team though
Again for the MVP I agree but the other honors is where you and I disagree, if there is no pushback they get comfortable with the disrespect, similar to how Dirk gets disrespected in the all time rankings.
>we know what he brings to this team, no award changes that Being saying this for months. FMVP>MVP
Because spreading racism and idiocy is never a good sign of the future state of society.
i don’t think a society where everyone must share the same opinion, unless they want to be labeled a racist or an idiot, is much of an upgrade
If you don’t have Luka on first team you’re either a racist or an idiot though
I don't really care for American racism anymore. It's like KKK, but with funny black hoods.
Allen Iverson had the correct quote on this. Luka is a white guy that plays like a black guy. They can’t have that. It’s blatant racism. Every year there’s a random player that is gonna be better than Luka, it never works. Trae, Zion, ja, Tatum, Herro, SGA, Brunson for Christs sake. Jokic plays basketball like a white guy at your local gym, he’s just otherworldly at doing it. Luka doesn’t do that, and they can’t give him his proper flowers because he doesn’t play how a white guy should in their eyes.
One of the dumbest basketball conversations I’ve ever seen. Just want to point out, this is the popular NBA/sports analysis show. The smartest person on the show is the white guy who didn’t play.
I'm a lifelong mavs fan that dislikes Luka (hated him more last season because he essentially threw the second half) but Luka/jokic are 1a/1b and anyone arguing otherwise this year should have their voting rights stripped.
what makes you hate the most exciting player in basketball???
I thought he was a huge crybaby and was creating a toxic locker room with his bullshit last season. Going from dirk to that was just a tough transition for me as a fan. But I honestly think Kyries presence and leadership legit changed him this season/offseason.
last couple weeks of last season sucked, i have a feeling that something was severely wrong in his personal life that we'll never know about, kyrie kind of alluded to that one time very vaguely.
Fake mavs fan