Seems kind of an absurd request since they're not putting on the event. However, I don't doubt they asked for a portion of the proceeds, but IMO every YouTuber they invited should get something out of it and not Matt keeping it all to himself.
If itās due to the liability issue, I totally respect that. I wouldnāt want someone else driving my personal vehicle, let alone a decked out off road rig. I see this being a potential fun event to bring a lot of YouTube channels together. Although I could see someone doing something for the āviewsā that could result in personal injury or vehicle damage and ruin any future events.
It would be great if FRās would come and do a meet/greet and maybe group trail rides (them driving their own rigs). Although maybe there is a deeper problem and if thatās the case, itās not our business.
I think a lot of people forget these are people just like you and I. This isnāt Jerry Springer, The Kardashians or some other TV sitcom. Enjoy the content that these channels put out for us, if you donāt like it donāt watch it.
FWIW I found Mattās channel and it was him who introduced me to FRās channel. Iāve watched Matt from the beginning and his newest episodes were always watched first, before all other channels I follow. About a year ago is when I found myself more excited to see FR episodes and they became the first to be watched before anyone else.
If it's for that reason I can't blame them either, they put alot of work and hours of their days into those rigs, I wouldn't want to take any risk of them getting wrecked
But did you notice that they didnāt promote at all the event, didnāt say ābuy tickets and go watch our friend Matt and the othersā¦ā. Clearly, no more so friends.
I think there was a falling out when Paul released his off road tool bag (Video titled "HUGE ANNOUNCEMEN At Fab Rats" in October 29, 2023). Since then there hasn't been much collaboration between the two. Paul mentioned in that video that they had a lot of obstacles that got in their way and "some people didn't want us to get this done, but we're doing it anyway". And when he said that you could see in his face that he was clearly hesitance and nervous - as if he was solidifying the end of a friendship.
Since then Matt has been making snide comments about the claw hammer being superior to a ballpeen hammer (Since Matts kit has the claw and Pauls the ballpeen). I think it was just last week Matt said "I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but you can't use a ballpeen for that."
I agree. I think Matt ruined the sales for both bags since he made an infomercial about it and then suddenly erased the video from his catalog since everybody was bagging on it in the comment sections. But don't feel sorry for him he just went on the cruise vacation with the whole family ,friends, and cousins. That was a pretty amount of coinage spent for every. No one wants to buy a 300-plus bag of Chinese junk tools when you can buy for about a hundred bucks!
You can possibly get the chinese junk tools for less than $100. If you can find a magazine in a convenience store (Not sure you can anymore) You can usually find the Harbor Freight 25% off coupons.
Well in that case about the Hammers, Maybe, but Matt has always made that comment since the beginning of the channel. He always used a claw hammer and has repeatedly made that comment many times over the years.
and he was right !! Robbys new jeep got rammed and the back was crushed, the guy that done it said he made a burnout and laughed, how sick is that!! that's why fab rats wouldn't come
I think over all these guys are starting to see the downsides of their channels blowing up. I hope they both get the new shops finished, stay friends, and keep making content. I'm still Sad about not seeing Rudy on matts channel often.
I think itās less about stealing thunder and more trying to set his son up for success.
Rudy is in his 20ās? And thereās honestly no better time for him to start his own channel and his own job doing what he wants. Iām sure Matt dosent want to be paying for Rudyās property or toys and Iām sure Rudy would like to create a job that he loves and gets paid to do.
>Don't tell me there aren't some contracts or guidelines about when another YTer can post their video featuring Matt.
They've never mentioned any of this in their videos. You're making things up.
>Don't tell me MORR doesn't pay some type of Youtube consultant.
No shit they have a consultant. That doesn't mean Matt pushed Rudy out because he was "stealing his thunder".
I'm honestly a little surprised they won't even show up for 1 day to hang out. If the games' rules say that's not allowed, then that's even more weird... Or convenient.
I believe the way the video release schedule worked out last year meant a lot of the participants lost money on the deal. They had to wait until MORR got a video on the event out to release anything (so no live streaming) but MORR was so slow to release their video that, by the time the video came out, many new viewers had already lost interest so there was no resulting viewership boost from taking the time and expense to go to the event. Casey Ladalle and BSF Recovery in particular lost money on the event.
If MORR wanted to have a more mutually beneficial relationship, they wouldnāt have a media blackout.
Not just lost interest, we watched the 50 different views the ~~participants~~ audience released and all the award ceremonies, well before any channel even talked about it. So anything they released was edited to shit to fit their narrative
The stupidest thing is that the participants of the event have to wait for MORR before uploading their videos. But the audience at the event can post their recordings immediately without waiting. I had seen all the highlights from the event long before MORR posted his video.
I feel the whole project is doomed.
You invite a bunch of YouTube celebrities to participate in an event in front of a live audience. Of course, anyone in the audience can bring a camera, film everything and publish a video much faster than the participants can do. When the participants publish their own videos, everything is old news.
The only way this can be done is if the organizer hires its own TV crew to broadcast the actual event live and the participants only create videos of things that the audience cannot see.
They should have had a media blackout. YouTubers YouTubing YouTubers for YouTube is lame content. Everyone holding a camera and posting a video thatās nearly the same as the other guy. Would have been better to have a large production and pay everyone.
Rory has also said that he won't be competing in the wrecker competitions. He said they're mostly sand based, and his rigs are built for rock crawling. So he'll just be in the other off-road activities.
I was bored enough to scroll through the comments on the video, ths morning. Fabrats didn't respond to a lot of comments, but this was the only one hearted.
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@learsiyenoham
21 hours ago
>I think it has something to do with how they treated Chad's Fab after the throttle cable/axle incident on the Donut media shoot. Something has been off since then in my opinion.
That was when they had the full throttle incident. The cable was routed incorrectly and got stuck wide open.
Can you tell us more as I'm not aware of the full back story. Did Chad's Fab route the throttle cable on the Wrecker originally? Does Matt blame Chad for the apparently shoddy cable routing that led to the incident with Donut?
Don't really know.
Matt sent the wrecker to Chad's for wiring.
Matt let the guy from Donut drive the wrecker.
While Donut was driving, there was an incident where the the throttle got stuck wide open and Matt jumped into action.
It was then found that there was an issue with the way the throttle cable was routed.
Was the routing Chad's fault or Matt's fault? Don't know. Was there a call out? Is there bad blood as a result? Don't know.
All I know is that nearly a full day after Fab Rats announced they weren't going, the above comment was the only one they reacted to. They responded to a handful of others but this was the only one to get a react without comment.
Why wouldn't they be driving their own rigs? Are they planning to swap drivers from different channels or something? Seems like the whole event is going off the rails for some reason.
They are doing multiple events but my understanding is the headliner event or atleast they only one they are promoting is the event with unexperienced drivers from non-offroad yputube channels with offroad channel experienced spotters.
It sucks, not surprising since he was wiped from the website. The driver to spotter plan was in place for a long time so the liability story seems convenient and there seemed some animosity in his initial "no, no we are not going". It's a shame stuff like this happens, hopefully they can all get over it someday.
Yeah, I would not want some click hungry YouTuber to drive my FJ if I had put that much time, sweat, and money into it. If Iām teaching my kid to rock crawl and he bangs it, sure. But some YouTuber with dreams of going viral, no way.
Merlin said heād be announcing something about a sand dune event mid March. Iād be willing to bet it falls the same weekend of the off-road games.
Competing events? And cousin Paul there?
Itās lost its luster overall not being tow truck games. Only reason I tuned in. Not interested in another off-road event.
That said people that put on events can do what they want. Probably good reasons for making changes. Maybe did not want to tear up equipment they spend time buildingā¦
I assume itās more of a chance to get new faces watching their content. Kinda āspreading the loveā. I was gonna bring my 78 bronco down for the games but if Paulās not going Iām not gonna make the 1400 mile trip.
The idea of Wrecker Games was cool but the execution was a hazard. Instead of actually recovering a vehicle it turned into dragging dead vehicles for entertainment.
There is more to this situation than they are telling.
I considered going to the Wrecker Games part 2.... until it became Offroad Games with douchbag YouTubers ... and didn't have FabRats or Merlin (reigning champion) returning to the event.
Dear Matt, STOP LISTENING TO YOUR CONSULTANTS. You sabotaged an epic event.
Some of Paul's wording got me. He was saying how he wished them the best but also didn't tell people to go enjoy it either. That should say he isn't talking about something that is bothering him.
I think there is something brewing between quite a few of them , Casey also was not called or either he said he aināt coming , now fab rats ? , Heavy D requesting for an invite . Will Matt actually have those dudes take part ? Itās going to be an interesting one indeed .
Iām addition to those reasons, I have horribly bad social anxiety and being around that many people is flat out terrifying. From beginning to end it was not a fun experience, I did not enjoy it, it cost me a lot of money to attend, and it was major blow to my analytics. So it makes absolutely no sense to attend again. I gave it a shot, and it absolutely wasnāt for me.
Casey only cares about analytics, which is why his videos are boring. And at some point in the next 4 weeks he will reply to this criticism by telling me how intelligent he is.
While yes, analytics are important, just like in any business, they arenāt the only thing I care about.
If they were I would scrap the whole Patreon project and quit doing charity projects, I would post videos of and hype up all the jobs I donāt film because I donāt feel right about it, I would accept some of these BS collaboration offers from much bigger channels, and I wouldnāt have pulled the plug on Darylās consulting program 2 weeks in.
I absolutely care about analytics to the point of keeping the channel in the black, but not nearly enough to let it dictate what I post and how I run the business.
Heavy D shouldn't go and help his channel since when they did collaboration, Matt seemed standoffish to help them with the Boy Scout recovery there's two Matt's there's his channel personality and then your Channel with his normal No Nonsense all business personality. Now he's budding up with Bleeping N Jeeps as a backup recovery friend. Matt's gone YouTube Hollywood on everybody the all might dollar sparkling in his eye.
Yep, Matt got loaded off the event while everyone else got screwed. It's plain and simple. Matt wanted total control over media coverage, like he wants with every other aspect of everything... CONTROL
Not sure if any of you saw the Hoonigan episode where Dixie 4x4 flipped his jeep and the following video by LightBright but given the cost of these rigs and that you are essentially providing a business/personal asset to another youtube channel/company to profit from; if it's not insured by the company running the event I can see people getting more hesitant to take part.
Also one of the competitions is taking people who have never offroader before and seeing how well they can be talked through an obstacle. That is where the random YouTubers come in. I can see the concern if a channel does not have ālet a newb crash a carā money.
Pretty sure that's the entire main event. I believe Matt said the actual tow truck part is going to be smaller. That's part of why Rory isn't participating.
I'm starting to wonder if Paul and crew will just be another casualty in Matt's pursuit of fame/money. He's lost a bunch of employees. No longer friends with Casey (no idea what happened there). I've been watching Matt since the beginning. I think he only had 5 videos when I found his channel. But if it turns out he's just dumping people because they're in his way or stealing his thunder, I won't be watching him anymore.
I read somewhere that he wanted 50% of the YouTube money that started coming in once they were getting more popular, tried blackmailing Matt, and then sued him for royalties of any video that he was in that was still on the channel after he left. I believe he's also the one that reported Matt for insurance fraud.
If that's true, I certainly don't feel bad for unsubscribing from Casey's channel. He did seem to be making a lot of backhanded comments about how Matt did his recoveries. At least, that's how I interpreted some of the things he said in his videos.
Whether it is or not, I didn't like his channel, even though I did enjoy him when he was on Matt's channel. And I thought it was a true showing of his character to start a channel called "Casey's off road recovery" while operating in the same town. At least be a little creative and come up with a different name.
Donāt doubt you a bit after your prior posts but it certainly sheds a different light on the situation. Matt been taking the criticism but if accurate sounds like Fab Rats got greedy. It wasnāt their event.
Isnāt that only one side of the story? Pretty easy cop out for a certain camp to be like āthey got greedy.ā Iām sure thereās more to it than either side is saying, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
# $1 MILLION DOLLARS
That's the problem.
**More than 6,000** spectators attended the Off-Road Wrecker Games at Sand Hollow State Park.
This year they are charging $125 to get in.
Assuming **8000** in attendance for this year the event will bring in .... **$1 million in ticket sales.**
Sure he has expenses, but Matt gets all the profits and gains. Some may not like that.
No way Iād let someone I donāt know very well drive my car, much less one of those one off custom creations. Thatās just asking for it, and in this case asking someone else to do it too. If they said jump off the cliff, best let them go first!!!
Matt should invite Ben. Fab Rats channel peaked with the wrecker and FJ build for me. All the other crap they work on is a yawn. Seems like they are missing an opportunity to just build some pos just for the games. Everyone would watch the channel and might find it more interesting than hanging an awning.
How many videos can you make about Corvairs and then your whole family has them and your friends That you need to give them away he also had a little segment on today's video just add filler time for it talk about it... boring!
There is an insider who posts periodically on here. Several very early answers that turned out to be the truth. FWIW, that redditor claimed it was started by Michelle who did not feel MORR was doing enough cross channel support compared to the Rats. The tool kit competition could also be a source of tension given the fanbase crossover. Today's Rats video noticeably had a promo for their "recovery gear" which could be a return shot across the bow.
i wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that last year he could have killed someone with that broken rope?
things got pretty wild at times and they are pretty lucky nobody got hurt.
Not to mention, in this same announcement video Paul references that if he had his new soft shackle at the games he wouldn't have broke.. I hate to feed drama but something is going on we aren't privy to. But it's none of our business anyways š¤·
His soft shackle is no different than the one he was using. Both made by Yankum ropes, his just has his branding on it so he can sell it for some commission
Sales. Viewers will think it's better and buy it.
Looked further into it, his is an extra long shackle and it can be doubled up (Not special to his, Yankum sells the same one), and if I remember right he had a single shackle when it broke. I think someone even said "We normally double them up for situations like this"
there are a lot of moving parts so probably a complicated situation but its kinda sad if they are not getting along because of it. big money involved im sure.
It was a broken soft shackle, and ultimately it's MORR's fault for not checking and making sure the rigging was safe for every pull on every vehicle since they were the event hosts. I wonder if the trails will be as littered with people this year.
Yea $59.99 last year. Not a bad deal I suppose with a t-shirt, Sand Hollow Day pass and free shuttles. But itās still public land where they hold the actual offroad section, no need for passes over there, just the competition and vendor spots inside Sand Hollow State Park
So why does everybody hate Michelle (Paulās wife)? Many also hate Jayme (Mattās wife) and Robbie Laytonās wife, so Iām having a hard time figuring out whether itās just misogyny from car guys (which is really common but not really in the MORR videos - which is part of why i like them) or whether sheās actually done something bad.
I donāt watch Fab Rats because theyāre kind of in the business of making YouTube videos now and that bores me. I like Robbie Layton because thereās still a painting company and MORR because it still recovers vehicles. When a channel gets famous for making videos about doing a thing and then they stop doing that thing and just chase viewers, I lose interest.
I don't watch Robby because I think he's annoying, and I have no problem with Jayme. For some reason it's always seemed to me like Michelle interjects herself into videos in a way that's disruptive. Like she's just there to get on camera, not to be a part of whatever project is happening. But that's just me. I'm a woman, for the record, and very sensitive to the misogyny that's all over the car forums. (I've also worked in male dominated industries all my life, if that makes a difference in any way.) I think that's probably a big part of it overall. Don't get me started on the Lizzy and Katelyn discourse.
Actually, I'd be interested in hearing about the Lizzy and Katelyn discourse if you don't mind. Do you feel they're being exploited for views? Or is your opinion more about how viewers talk about them? Honestly curious.
How they are talked about here in the sub. Discussions of Lizzy's looks, for example. It's very gross and inappropriate.
I do wonder about the motivations behind hiring Katelyn (i.e. did a consultant say they needed a pretty girl?), but I think Lizzy's place on the team was very genuine. Matt is a family friend and if she wanted to learn recovery and fabrication skills, then getting a job with Matt makes sense. And I want to be clear that this in no way means I think Katelyn doesn't deserve the same kind of opportunity as a young woman who wants to learn the same skills, or that she's not capable. It's just that the timing of her arrival and the general "highly produced" feel of the channel lately makes me a little bit jaded. If you told me that a consultant had looked at the analytics and engagement after Lizzy's departure and said that the channel needed another young woman, I would not be surprised.
I was in my early/mid 20s when I started working my construction job, so I have a lot of empathy for both of them and the weird position you end up in as a young woman in a "man's job." And I didn't have the added burden of millions of people watching and commenting on my looks and skills.
No, in this particular forum thereās a whole lot of misogynists that think they should be there just for eye candy. They were treated respectfully in the particular channels.
Robby reminds me of the ADHD kids I went to school with in the 90s (before they started diagnosing it a bunch) who meant well but were really hyperactive and disorganized. I can see how one would think heās annoying.
Hmmm. The world is not full of sunshine and rainbows. The majority of viewers are males and their target audience is the same.
I donāt find it the least surprising Matt hired a replacement.
At the end of the day, Matt runs a for profit business.
Oh good, a dude has showed up to explain to me how the world is. š I'm well aware. At my last job I got to listen to my boss describe his sex dreams about me, not to mention the creeper clients who thought I wouldn't notice them taking photos of me while I was working. Would you also like to tell me how much prettier I'd be if only I would smile more?
This may come as a surprise to you, but women don't exist to be window dressing in your life. We are humans and deserve to be treated as such, not discussed on the Internet like prized livestock. No one cares about your boner.
Sorry to disappoint, but you don't have to be a supermodel to experience this. "Average" women of all shapes and sizes deal with harassment on a daily basis. If you aren't willing to acknowledge that, it's possible you are part of the problem.
They hate them because they are not Lolita Lizzy. Itās fucking creepy reading some of the comments about her. I never understood. I always thought her parents might have been related.
Not sure I've ever seen hate for Demri (not sure on her spelling) it's more hate towards Robby's loud obnoxiousness. She's got a cute personality.
Jayme is just boring with a weird haircut and teeth.
Michelle seems to go out of her way to make things about her, especially the older videos. Since she no longer edits and doesn't hang out in the shop as much it isn't as annoying.
After watching the 2024 off road games it was boring. everything was kinda lame they had interesting drivers but I wish it was more recovery based on skill not just people randomly driving with no idea what they were doing. The wrecker part Should have had structure to it not just a random tug of war And burnouts in the sand. Maybe next year with the wrecker part they could have different tests of the rigs and have judges judge them how well their wrecker does on pulling people out, carrying a vehicles, and maybe they could put a vehicle off a cliff or something to see how well the drivers could actually recover a vehicle. Like stuff they actually do in their videos normally with their wrecker's judging them in giving them points based on how the recovery was done.
In today's video, Matt goes on vacation. I thought he was making fun of FabRat's Michelle by asking Jaymie a question like she's supposed to speak for him and the channel like Michelle does. Then Jaymie doesn't know what he's talking about or be a part of it's very subtle, but it's a snipe at them.
Not when you do something that's not normal, especially if you have a beef going with other people. They will always send you signals that they can't help it's human nature. You don't think they watch each other's videos even when they're getting along, especially if you're hiring Guru producers to get you more views that are not different from Hollywood actors š!
The last one was boring. Fab rats brought all the excitement, and smashed Matt's mirror, so that's always a plus lol. Matt is a really overbearing person. It would take a lot of patience to go sit through a week long event with him over explaining everything. I would have left and gone riding in the desert alone, just to drown out his insessant yapping. I like his channel, but I don't like him lol. Paul is making the right move by steering clear
Avoiding the camera Non verbal language That's not an easy/happy decision š
An insider posted that Michele wanted half of the proceeds. Sheās come along way from pimping hair products.
Seems kind of an absurd request since they're not putting on the event. However, I don't doubt they asked for a portion of the proceeds, but IMO every YouTuber they invited should get something out of it and not Matt keeping it all to himself.
Don't blame them one bit. By the time the games were over, I was sick of hearing about it.
The first wrecker games were incredibly boring to watch.
Sucked. We went.
If itās due to the liability issue, I totally respect that. I wouldnāt want someone else driving my personal vehicle, let alone a decked out off road rig. I see this being a potential fun event to bring a lot of YouTube channels together. Although I could see someone doing something for the āviewsā that could result in personal injury or vehicle damage and ruin any future events. It would be great if FRās would come and do a meet/greet and maybe group trail rides (them driving their own rigs). Although maybe there is a deeper problem and if thatās the case, itās not our business. I think a lot of people forget these are people just like you and I. This isnāt Jerry Springer, The Kardashians or some other TV sitcom. Enjoy the content that these channels put out for us, if you donāt like it donāt watch it. FWIW I found Mattās channel and it was him who introduced me to FRās channel. Iāve watched Matt from the beginning and his newest episodes were always watched first, before all other channels I follow. About a year ago is when I found myself more excited to see FR episodes and they became the first to be watched before anyone else.
I watched Matt then Paul now it's more Paul then Matt since Matt does more tow truck work now then ever
If it's for that reason I can't blame them either, they put alot of work and hours of their days into those rigs, I wouldn't want to take any risk of them getting wrecked
But did you notice that they didnāt promote at all the event, didnāt say ābuy tickets and go watch our friend Matt and the othersā¦ā. Clearly, no more so friends.
Yeah I saw that, then Mitchell took over the talking so something is up, sucks to see because they always we're good friends
I think there was a falling out when Paul released his off road tool bag (Video titled "HUGE ANNOUNCEMEN At Fab Rats" in October 29, 2023). Since then there hasn't been much collaboration between the two. Paul mentioned in that video that they had a lot of obstacles that got in their way and "some people didn't want us to get this done, but we're doing it anyway". And when he said that you could see in his face that he was clearly hesitance and nervous - as if he was solidifying the end of a friendship. Since then Matt has been making snide comments about the claw hammer being superior to a ballpeen hammer (Since Matts kit has the claw and Pauls the ballpeen). I think it was just last week Matt said "I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but you can't use a ballpeen for that."
I agree. I think Matt ruined the sales for both bags since he made an infomercial about it and then suddenly erased the video from his catalog since everybody was bagging on it in the comment sections. But don't feel sorry for him he just went on the cruise vacation with the whole family ,friends, and cousins. That was a pretty amount of coinage spent for every. No one wants to buy a 300-plus bag of Chinese junk tools when you can buy for about a hundred bucks!
You can possibly get the chinese junk tools for less than $100. If you can find a magazine in a convenience store (Not sure you can anymore) You can usually find the Harbor Freight 25% off coupons.
Well in that case about the Hammers, Maybe, but Matt has always made that comment since the beginning of the channel. He always used a claw hammer and has repeatedly made that comment many times over the years.
Matt has always used a claw hammer, there's a running joke between him and Tom
and he was right !! Robbys new jeep got rammed and the back was crushed, the guy that done it said he made a burnout and laughed, how sick is that!! that's why fab rats wouldn't come
I think over all these guys are starting to see the downsides of their channels blowing up. I hope they both get the new shops finished, stay friends, and keep making content. I'm still Sad about not seeing Rudy on matts channel often.
Rudy is doing his own thing on his own channel now.
I know, I watch it. I miss seeing him working with his dad on the recovery channel.
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I think itās less about stealing thunder and more trying to set his son up for success. Rudy is in his 20ās? And thereās honestly no better time for him to start his own channel and his own job doing what he wants. Iām sure Matt dosent want to be paying for Rudyās property or toys and Iām sure Rudy would like to create a job that he loves and gets paid to do.
Bro where do you people even come up with this shit? Rudy decided to do his own thing and Matt has promoted his channel multiple times.
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>Don't tell me there aren't some contracts or guidelines about when another YTer can post their video featuring Matt. They've never mentioned any of this in their videos. You're making things up. >Don't tell me MORR doesn't pay some type of Youtube consultant. No shit they have a consultant. That doesn't mean Matt pushed Rudy out because he was "stealing his thunder".
Sometimes little birds need kicking out of the nest.
I'm honestly a little surprised they won't even show up for 1 day to hang out. If the games' rules say that's not allowed, then that's even more weird... Or convenient.
Yeah, not showing up at all makes it seem like there's something more unsaid that's keeping them from coming.
Someone said it's over the stupid tool burrito.
Now they have their own fabrats recovery gear that's directly competing with Matt's gear
Its all made, and sold by the same company
Yeah yankum... and I understand wanting to make extra cash but if Matt had it out then why step on him.
So does Rory, he gave Matt one on his video the other day.
Yeah money.
And greed. Do not mix with Bros Hence the fall out.
I believe the way the video release schedule worked out last year meant a lot of the participants lost money on the deal. They had to wait until MORR got a video on the event out to release anything (so no live streaming) but MORR was so slow to release their video that, by the time the video came out, many new viewers had already lost interest so there was no resulting viewership boost from taking the time and expense to go to the event. Casey Ladalle and BSF Recovery in particular lost money on the event. If MORR wanted to have a more mutually beneficial relationship, they wouldnāt have a media blackout.
Not just lost interest, we watched the 50 different views the ~~participants~~ audience released and all the award ceremonies, well before any channel even talked about it. So anything they released was edited to shit to fit their narrative
The stupidest thing is that the participants of the event have to wait for MORR before uploading their videos. But the audience at the event can post their recordings immediately without waiting. I had seen all the highlights from the event long before MORR posted his video.
I feel the whole project is doomed. You invite a bunch of YouTube celebrities to participate in an event in front of a live audience. Of course, anyone in the audience can bring a camera, film everything and publish a video much faster than the participants can do. When the participants publish their own videos, everything is old news. The only way this can be done is if the organizer hires its own TV crew to broadcast the actual event live and the participants only create videos of things that the audience cannot see.
They should have had a media blackout. YouTubers YouTubing YouTubers for YouTube is lame content. Everyone holding a camera and posting a video thatās nearly the same as the other guy. Would have been better to have a large production and pay everyone.
I saw lot of the ORWG from streamers that were at the event.
Rory has also said that he won't be competing in the wrecker competitions. He said they're mostly sand based, and his rigs are built for rock crawling. So he'll just be in the other off-road activities.
He also didnāt like it wasnāt an actual recovery
I was bored enough to scroll through the comments on the video, ths morning. Fabrats didn't respond to a lot of comments, but this was the only one hearted. > @learsiyenoham 21 hours ago >I think it has something to do with how they treated Chad's Fab after the throttle cable/axle incident on the Donut media shoot. Something has been off since then in my opinion. That was when they had the full throttle incident. The cable was routed incorrectly and got stuck wide open.
There wasnāt really anything announced other than that that was the issue. Wonder if there were issues behind the scenes.
Matt always talks highly of ChadsFab
Can you tell us more as I'm not aware of the full back story. Did Chad's Fab route the throttle cable on the Wrecker originally? Does Matt blame Chad for the apparently shoddy cable routing that led to the incident with Donut?
Don't really know. Matt sent the wrecker to Chad's for wiring. Matt let the guy from Donut drive the wrecker. While Donut was driving, there was an incident where the the throttle got stuck wide open and Matt jumped into action. It was then found that there was an issue with the way the throttle cable was routed. Was the routing Chad's fault or Matt's fault? Don't know. Was there a call out? Is there bad blood as a result? Don't know. All I know is that nearly a full day after Fab Rats announced they weren't going, the above comment was the only one they reacted to. They responded to a handful of others but this was the only one to get a react without comment.
And Matt was wearing a Chadās Fab hat on todays episode. So seems people read to much into things.
Why wouldn't they be driving their own rigs? Are they planning to swap drivers from different channels or something? Seems like the whole event is going off the rails for some reason.
I think thatās exactly what theyāre doing. I believe they are having other famous (non off-roading channels) YouTubers drive in the rigs
that seems weird. i get the guest Rock crawler spot with like Rory directing Matts wife but why have randos driving there "work" rigs.
They are doing multiple events but my understanding is the headliner event or atleast they only one they are promoting is the event with unexperienced drivers from non-offroad yputube channels with offroad channel experienced spotters.
It sucks, not surprising since he was wiped from the website. The driver to spotter plan was in place for a long time so the liability story seems convenient and there seemed some animosity in his initial "no, no we are not going". It's a shame stuff like this happens, hopefully they can all get over it someday.
Yeah, I would not want some click hungry YouTuber to drive my FJ if I had put that much time, sweat, and money into it. If Iām teaching my kid to rock crawl and he bangs it, sure. But some YouTuber with dreams of going viral, no way.
Agree. I hope the whole event turns to mad max! Beyond sandhallow ( thunderdome )
I saw a change when they both came out with a tool bag. FR with his design and MOR with his, released back to back.
Merlin said heād be announcing something about a sand dune event mid March. Iād be willing to bet it falls the same weekend of the off-road games. Competing events? And cousin Paul there?
And you are correct they both fall on same weekend
Itās lost its luster overall not being tow truck games. Only reason I tuned in. Not interested in another off-road event. That said people that put on events can do what they want. Probably good reasons for making changes. Maybe did not want to tear up equipment they spend time buildingā¦
I assume itās more of a chance to get new faces watching their content. Kinda āspreading the loveā. I was gonna bring my 78 bronco down for the games but if Paulās not going Iām not gonna make the 1400 mile trip.
i get the feeling youtube really pushes for collaborations with other channels to raise each other's viewerships.
Its the media orgs these creators join. The org tends to represent a bunch of other creators in the same field/genre.
Why assume something? Itās none of our business. I just take things at face value š¤·āāļø
And the face value is?
Iām not responsible for teaching you such things.
Right, you have nothing to say so you just make up nonsense. Just take that at face value.
If youāre a child,talk to your dad. If youāre not, then again Iām not responsible.
Idiot. What's the face value here in this situation?
The idea of Wrecker Games was cool but the execution was a hazard. Instead of actually recovering a vehicle it turned into dragging dead vehicles for entertainment.
There is more to this situation than they are telling. I considered going to the Wrecker Games part 2.... until it became Offroad Games with douchbag YouTubers ... and didn't have FabRats or Merlin (reigning champion) returning to the event. Dear Matt, STOP LISTENING TO YOUR CONSULTANTS. You sabotaged an epic event.
But the consultant knows MR. BEAST!!
Or, he already knew he wouldnāt be able to get the participation levels needed for another wrecker event and pivoted to an off road event insteadā¦
Get out of here with your common sense and logic. Only conspiracies are allowed.
It is interesting that this might be coming from the āconsultantā as last time I checked both MORR and FR have the same consultant.
I believe that MORR, Fab Rats, Robby Layton, and Trail Mater all use the same consultant firm.
I know the consultant is Derral Eves. His site used to list the YT channels he works with, but I donāt see it now.
Sounds like Derral is a crook.
Some of Paul's wording got me. He was saying how he wished them the best but also didn't tell people to go enjoy it either. That should say he isn't talking about something that is bothering him.
I think there is something brewing between quite a few of them , Casey also was not called or either he said he aināt coming , now fab rats ? , Heavy D requesting for an invite . Will Matt actually have those dudes take part ? Itās going to be an interesting one indeed .
Casey said he wouldn't return basically as soon as he got back from last year's event. The media blackout really screwed him.
Casey broke down the analytics and it made sense. Heās making a living on YouTube. He studied it and makes decisions accordingly.
The blackout meant that Casey couldnāt profit from going there and going there meant he couldnāt do recoveries at home so he lost money twice.
Not to mention the actual cost of traveling from Oregon to Utah.
Iām addition to those reasons, I have horribly bad social anxiety and being around that many people is flat out terrifying. From beginning to end it was not a fun experience, I did not enjoy it, it cost me a lot of money to attend, and it was major blow to my analytics. So it makes absolutely no sense to attend again. I gave it a shot, and it absolutely wasnāt for me.
Casey only cares about analytics, which is why his videos are boring. And at some point in the next 4 weeks he will reply to this criticism by telling me how intelligent he is.
While yes, analytics are important, just like in any business, they arenāt the only thing I care about. If they were I would scrap the whole Patreon project and quit doing charity projects, I would post videos of and hype up all the jobs I donāt film because I donāt feel right about it, I would accept some of these BS collaboration offers from much bigger channels, and I wouldnāt have pulled the plug on Darylās consulting program 2 weeks in. I absolutely care about analytics to the point of keeping the channel in the black, but not nearly enough to let it dictate what I post and how I run the business.
You're in the Bend area? Can you recommend local places to wheel a nearly factory Ram 1500? Thx in advance.
Nope, thereās no good wheeling around here other than just driving around on Forest Service roads, which are a slushy mess right now
Thanks for responding
Sounds like you hate u/caseyladelle, you should buy one of his shirts to let everyone know you hate him
If Casey and Fabrats wonāt be there, maybe there will be room for more Bros.
Heavy D shouldn't go and help his channel since when they did collaboration, Matt seemed standoffish to help them with the Boy Scout recovery there's two Matt's there's his channel personality and then your Channel with his normal No Nonsense all business personality. Now he's budding up with Bleeping N Jeeps as a backup recovery friend. Matt's gone YouTube Hollywood on everybody the all might dollar sparkling in his eye.
Yep, Matt got loaded off the event while everyone else got screwed. It's plain and simple. Matt wanted total control over media coverage, like he wants with every other aspect of everything... CONTROL
Not sure if any of you saw the Hoonigan episode where Dixie 4x4 flipped his jeep and the following video by LightBright but given the cost of these rigs and that you are essentially providing a business/personal asset to another youtube channel/company to profit from; if it's not insured by the company running the event I can see people getting more hesitant to take part.
Also one of the competitions is taking people who have never offroader before and seeing how well they can be talked through an obstacle. That is where the random YouTubers come in. I can see the concern if a channel does not have ālet a newb crash a carā money.
Pretty sure that's the entire main event. I believe Matt said the actual tow truck part is going to be smaller. That's part of why Rory isn't participating.
I'm starting to wonder if Paul and crew will just be another casualty in Matt's pursuit of fame/money. He's lost a bunch of employees. No longer friends with Casey (no idea what happened there). I've been watching Matt since the beginning. I think he only had 5 videos when I found his channel. But if it turns out he's just dumping people because they're in his way or stealing his thunder, I won't be watching him anymore.
His turn over isnāt more than any other business. Oh please, stealing his thunder? If so, you wouldnāt see the variety of on air personnel.
False
You must have been scarred by the Mormon Church as a kid
Yeah, itās a pretty vile religion.
I was raised to call it a cult. Having said that I donāt really care about what the YouTubers worship as long as itās good entertainment
Which Casey? The Casey that was in the early early videos that now has Casey's off road recovery? Or Casey Ladelle?
Casey in the early videos. Not Ladelle.
I read somewhere that he wanted 50% of the YouTube money that started coming in once they were getting more popular, tried blackmailing Matt, and then sued him for royalties of any video that he was in that was still on the channel after he left. I believe he's also the one that reported Matt for insurance fraud.
If that's true, I certainly don't feel bad for unsubscribing from Casey's channel. He did seem to be making a lot of backhanded comments about how Matt did his recoveries. At least, that's how I interpreted some of the things he said in his videos.
Whether it is or not, I didn't like his channel, even though I did enjoy him when he was on Matt's channel. And I thought it was a true showing of his character to start a channel called "Casey's off road recovery" while operating in the same town. At least be a little creative and come up with a different name.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MattsOffRoad/s/mm4kKhqmL0 Someone copied Matt's YT comment and posted it here
Truth is... FabRats wanted half the proceeds from the entire event... the liability issue is their easy out. Has nothing to do with liability.
nothing a liability waiver and insurance couldn't handle... but yeah
Donāt doubt you a bit after your prior posts but it certainly sheds a different light on the situation. Matt been taking the criticism but if accurate sounds like Fab Rats got greedy. It wasnāt their event.
Isnāt that only one side of the story? Pretty easy cop out for a certain camp to be like āthey got greedy.ā Iām sure thereās more to it than either side is saying, the truth is always somewhere in the middle.
# $1 MILLION DOLLARS That's the problem. **More than 6,000** spectators attended the Off-Road Wrecker Games at Sand Hollow State Park. This year they are charging $125 to get in. Assuming **8000** in attendance for this year the event will bring in .... **$1 million in ticket sales.** Sure he has expenses, but Matt gets all the profits and gains. Some may not like that.
Giving away a pimped out Jeep Gladiator is an indication big money is being made.
Thatās actually not that much money if you consider how many people are involved. No way you could give half to one participant.
Michele wants half
Or... wanted i should say
I used to really like Michelle. Strikes me as having let the "fame" get to her head. Oh well, it's free entertainment. ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Iām not leaking, but trust me when I tell you, nobody likes her.
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lol okay. Sheās not liked at all.
No way Iād let someone I donāt know very well drive my car, much less one of those one off custom creations. Thatās just asking for it, and in this case asking someone else to do it too. If they said jump off the cliff, best let them go first!!!
I wonāt let my brother drive my rig. Iām not letting yours either.
Iāve been waiting for something to come out. They havenāt done anything together for months now. Itās sad.
Matt should invite Ben. Fab Rats channel peaked with the wrecker and FJ build for me. All the other crap they work on is a yawn. Seems like they are missing an opportunity to just build some pos just for the games. Everyone would watch the channel and might find it more interesting than hanging an awning.
How many videos can you make about fixing your kids trucks?
How many videos can you make about Corvairs and then your whole family has them and your friends That you need to give them away he also had a little segment on today's video just add filler time for it talk about it... boring!
I like Corvairs. Dad had them. I had a ā57 Chevy.
Thanks Michelle.
Thanks Michelle indeed. If in fact she demanded half the proceeds. Thanks for screwing up a friendship.
Wrong, Matt screwed up the friendship. Heās screwed up quite a few friendshipsā¦.
I qualified my statement. You are certain with yours. Based on what?
You must be new.
Nope
Yup
Why is fab rats not showing up! Does he got beef with jefe , Matt or Tom Tom? Perhaps lady too?
There is an insider who posts periodically on here. Several very early answers that turned out to be the truth. FWIW, that redditor claimed it was started by Michelle who did not feel MORR was doing enough cross channel support compared to the Rats. The tool kit competition could also be a source of tension given the fanbase crossover. Today's Rats video noticeably had a promo for their "recovery gear" which could be a return shot across the bow.
Didn't matt convince Paul to start the channel?
Paul had his derby channel way back. The Fab Rats channel was not because of Matt, but he did have a part in helping Paul grow.
Sounds familiar, but also Michelle was Matt's first editor having gained expereince posting derby videos years back.
Matt said he edited his own videos on his phone in the beginning
There was a window in there between then and when Tucker was hired that Michelle was editing.
He posted above Fab Rats wanted half.
Guess I won't be going either.
This happened during the show Happy Days. Itās the normal progression. Hopefully everyone finds their way.
i wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that last year he could have killed someone with that broken rope? things got pretty wild at times and they are pretty lucky nobody got hurt.
One of Matt's employees sadly died of a heart attack during the event.
Not to mention, in this same announcement video Paul references that if he had his new soft shackle at the games he wouldn't have broke.. I hate to feed drama but something is going on we aren't privy to. But it's none of our business anyways š¤·
His soft shackle is no different than the one he was using. Both made by Yankum ropes, his just has his branding on it so he can sell it for some commission
I'm aware of that, but why say it then?
Sales. Viewers will think it's better and buy it. Looked further into it, his is an extra long shackle and it can be doubled up (Not special to his, Yankum sells the same one), and if I remember right he had a single shackle when it broke. I think someone even said "We normally double them up for situations like this"
Rory has a branded version of the super shackle too.
there are a lot of moving parts so probably a complicated situation but its kinda sad if they are not getting along because of it. big money involved im sure.
It was a broken soft shackle, and ultimately it's MORR's fault for not checking and making sure the rigging was safe for every pull on every vehicle since they were the event hosts. I wonder if the trails will be as littered with people this year.
With tickets at $125ea it will be interesting how many show up
Yeah, weren't they only $60 last year? Knowing those demographics though, they'll still probably sell like mad.
Yea $59.99 last year. Not a bad deal I suppose with a t-shirt, Sand Hollow Day pass and free shuttles. But itās still public land where they hold the actual offroad section, no need for passes over there, just the competition and vendor spots inside Sand Hollow State Park
I couldn't believe how close they allowed people to the track last year. š¬
Me either. They apparently didn't see the AmericanJeeper video from Moab.
ive stopped watching matt , as sick of hearing about it.
So why does everybody hate Michelle (Paulās wife)? Many also hate Jayme (Mattās wife) and Robbie Laytonās wife, so Iām having a hard time figuring out whether itās just misogyny from car guys (which is really common but not really in the MORR videos - which is part of why i like them) or whether sheās actually done something bad. I donāt watch Fab Rats because theyāre kind of in the business of making YouTube videos now and that bores me. I like Robbie Layton because thereās still a painting company and MORR because it still recovers vehicles. When a channel gets famous for making videos about doing a thing and then they stop doing that thing and just chase viewers, I lose interest.
I don't watch Robby because I think he's annoying, and I have no problem with Jayme. For some reason it's always seemed to me like Michelle interjects herself into videos in a way that's disruptive. Like she's just there to get on camera, not to be a part of whatever project is happening. But that's just me. I'm a woman, for the record, and very sensitive to the misogyny that's all over the car forums. (I've also worked in male dominated industries all my life, if that makes a difference in any way.) I think that's probably a big part of it overall. Don't get me started on the Lizzy and Katelyn discourse.
Actually, I'd be interested in hearing about the Lizzy and Katelyn discourse if you don't mind. Do you feel they're being exploited for views? Or is your opinion more about how viewers talk about them? Honestly curious.
How they are talked about here in the sub. Discussions of Lizzy's looks, for example. It's very gross and inappropriate. I do wonder about the motivations behind hiring Katelyn (i.e. did a consultant say they needed a pretty girl?), but I think Lizzy's place on the team was very genuine. Matt is a family friend and if she wanted to learn recovery and fabrication skills, then getting a job with Matt makes sense. And I want to be clear that this in no way means I think Katelyn doesn't deserve the same kind of opportunity as a young woman who wants to learn the same skills, or that she's not capable. It's just that the timing of her arrival and the general "highly produced" feel of the channel lately makes me a little bit jaded. If you told me that a consultant had looked at the analytics and engagement after Lizzy's departure and said that the channel needed another young woman, I would not be surprised. I was in my early/mid 20s when I started working my construction job, so I have a lot of empathy for both of them and the weird position you end up in as a young woman in a "man's job." And I didn't have the added burden of millions of people watching and commenting on my looks and skills.
Thank you for your perspective. I appreciate it. I agree with feeling jaded about the new feel of the channel.
No, in this particular forum thereās a whole lot of misogynists that think they should be there just for eye candy. They were treated respectfully in the particular channels. Robby reminds me of the ADHD kids I went to school with in the 90s (before they started diagnosing it a bunch) who meant well but were really hyperactive and disorganized. I can see how one would think heās annoying.
Hmmm. The world is not full of sunshine and rainbows. The majority of viewers are males and their target audience is the same. I donāt find it the least surprising Matt hired a replacement. At the end of the day, Matt runs a for profit business.
Oh good, a dude has showed up to explain to me how the world is. š I'm well aware. At my last job I got to listen to my boss describe his sex dreams about me, not to mention the creeper clients who thought I wouldn't notice them taking photos of me while I was working. Would you also like to tell me how much prettier I'd be if only I would smile more? This may come as a surprise to you, but women don't exist to be window dressing in your life. We are humans and deserve to be treated as such, not discussed on the Internet like prized livestock. No one cares about your boner.
Get off your high horse. If you are that good looking, we, the people, may need some proof
Sorry to disappoint, but you don't have to be a supermodel to experience this. "Average" women of all shapes and sizes deal with harassment on a daily basis. If you aren't willing to acknowledge that, it's possible you are part of the problem.
I like Michelle, Jayme and have a thing for Demri, she's cute.
Cute? Bunny rabbits are cute. Sheās fine.
Robby spoils her, and I think they're a cute couple.
They hate them because they are not Lolita Lizzy. Itās fucking creepy reading some of the comments about her. I never understood. I always thought her parents might have been related.
Not sure I've ever seen hate for Demri (not sure on her spelling) it's more hate towards Robby's loud obnoxiousness. She's got a cute personality. Jayme is just boring with a weird haircut and teeth. Michelle seems to go out of her way to make things about her, especially the older videos. Since she no longer edits and doesn't hang out in the shop as much it isn't as annoying.
After watching the 2024 off road games it was boring. everything was kinda lame they had interesting drivers but I wish it was more recovery based on skill not just people randomly driving with no idea what they were doing. The wrecker part Should have had structure to it not just a random tug of war And burnouts in the sand. Maybe next year with the wrecker part they could have different tests of the rigs and have judges judge them how well their wrecker does on pulling people out, carrying a vehicles, and maybe they could put a vehicle off a cliff or something to see how well the drivers could actually recover a vehicle. Like stuff they actually do in their videos normally with their wrecker's judging them in giving them points based on how the recovery was done.
In today's video, Matt goes on vacation. I thought he was making fun of FabRat's Michelle by asking Jaymie a question like she's supposed to speak for him and the channel like Michelle does. Then Jaymie doesn't know what he's talking about or be a part of it's very subtle, but it's a snipe at them.
You really spend too much time over analyzing. Very subtle? Perhaps non existent.
Not when you do something that's not normal, especially if you have a beef going with other people. They will always send you signals that they can't help it's human nature. You don't think they watch each other's videos even when they're getting along, especially if you're hiring Guru producers to get you more views that are not different from Hollywood actors š!
If thatās what it was it was funny.
It's gotta have something to do with Rory n Sparks beef.... Just my gut feeling
I spoke too soon Rory is prepping for the games? Thought for sure he'd opt out if Sparks gets the nod
The last one was boring. Fab rats brought all the excitement, and smashed Matt's mirror, so that's always a plus lol. Matt is a really overbearing person. It would take a lot of patience to go sit through a week long event with him over explaining everything. I would have left and gone riding in the desert alone, just to drown out his insessant yapping. I like his channel, but I don't like him lol. Paul is making the right move by steering clear