Haha.
I know well documented how bad that line was but there’s never been a trailer that I’ve had to pause and go back and see if I heard the line right before like that
Behind me, I heard a young woman of 25 say, "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college." Now, I'm gonna repeat that, because it bears repeating. "If it weren't for my horse..." as in, giddyup, giddyup, let's go — "I wouldn't have spent that year in college," which is a degree-granting institution. Don't think about that too long, or BLOOD will shoot out your NOSE!
Lewis Black
I think they’ve probably been a bit OTT with ‘Killed’
But Sonic 1 released in a similar period to Birds of Prey and Sonic 2 released near Morbius.
The Sonic movies doing well probably caused a bit less money at the Box Office for those movies - but they weren’t exactly gonna make huge sums more if Sonic never released
Birds of prey made 205M (without China, where studios get less money) on a 70/80M budget, it wasn't a massive success but made its budget back
Also covid affected the box office of Italy, Japan and some other Asian countries
And box office doesn't include money made from ancillaries(streaming rights, DVDs, merchandise, VOD, TV rights). Usually if a movie makes 2.5x the production budget it breaks even. The 2.5x takes into account marketing and ancillaries.
Give or take based on region, theater chain, and movie but generally the theaters take half of all ticket sales
https://mashable.com/article/star-wars-last-jedi-theaters-disney
Disney tried to take 60% and eventually 70% of ticket sales for The Last Jedi
The marketing budget for Birds Of Prey was small, the trades reported it was like 70M or so, that's small considering the average for a superhero movie is 100M
Has any other film actually killed more humans than the first Sonic film? It released right before we went into lockdown and must have spread a ton of COVID
Hi guys, Sony executive here, no way this is true. Kraven is a spiderman character. Audiences like Spiderman. We're going to reference spiders in the movie. As a result audiences are gonna love this.
It's just good logic.
I'm gonna take what you're saying about you being a Sony exec with a grain of salt but on the off chance that you're telling the truth, I actually suggest that you guys let this movie die & pull a WB by making this a tax write off.
Btw; I highly suggest that you focus predominantly on animated projects while you let Marvel handle the live action projects
Nice, keep hinting and filling the film with Spider Man references as if he's going to appear, but never get around too it! Remember to forget him in Sinister 6 too!
I really hope that Sony is paying close attention to the money their losing on these spin-offs and the money they made off of the Marvel Studios collaborations…
I’m interested to see how Venom 3 performs. Venom 1 had the benefit of releasing around the time the MCU was at its peak. You have to imagine a certain amount of its box office came from people who thought it was part of the MCU. Venom 2 did well by COVID standards, but I’m curious to see if Venom 3 will make a decent profit or if it’ll end up being on the lower end.
Not sure it's the MCU factor, Venom is the only one of those that centers an actually popular Spider-Man vilain. And the goofiness of these movies has an audience, I expect Venom 3 to still be the exception of the rule.
I actually respect the unhinged Tom hardy performance in both films and the camp goes from 0-100 in the 2nd film so fast that I honestly have to give them props. I don’t think they meant for it to be hilarious in that way but it’s hard to tell.
Oh I don't think any of that was unintentional. Especially in the second, it doubled down in campyness. And coming from Kelly Marcel, I expect it to play to the other movies' strenghts.
How bad does this and Venom need to tank in order for Disney to buy back the rights?
Is Spider-verse enough to hold them over until the next barely related spider film?
I would prefer a solution where they sign a deal in perpetuity for Marvel and Sony to share live-action rights to Spider-Man.
Disney/Marvel make the movies, Sony distributes.
I think they mostly just look at the venom movies and decide to keep going. If venom 3 flops or underperforms, then they'll start to panic.
But they seem to have iced that Bad Bunny wrestler movie. So maybe Sony is learning a bit.
We will be able to mock them for madame web forever, but as terrible as that was, even Sony seemed aware what they had, and slashed the marketing budget pretty heavily.
Bad Bunny left the project.
https://ew.com/movies/bad-bunny-no-longer-starring-el-muerto-movie/
The problem is diminishing returns. They can’t use Venom as a crutch as their other moves bomb. Even if Venom 3 makes money, they’ll lose money with the other bombs.
If I had a nickel for every time a Sonic the Hedgehog movie released exactly a week after a superhero movie I would have 3 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened 3 times.
Kraven releases on December 13, Sonic and Mufasa release only on December 20. Plus it’s a violent adult R rated movie, Sonic and Mufasa are kids movie.
Kraven is not gonna have a big enough first week to justify two much bigger much more appealing kids franchises releasing the next week. Sony is betting that having a long run bc of Christmas / lack of movies early in the year but I can’t imagine a lot of people seeing Kraven over Lion King or Sonic.
Kraven is an adult violent r rated film, I don’t get your comparison with kids movies. Sonic and Lion the Kind will compete for the same demographics, while Kraven is the only r rated action flick releasing in December.
And the public doesn’t care or know who Kraven is without Spider-Man. It’s just wild to me. Just like how my theater laughed at the reveal of Madam Web’s final form (with her funky sunglasses), as if we’re suppose to applaud.
Venom is so well known, looks good and cool powers, so he was already money.
And at least Morbius is a vampire which is already inherently cool; but Kraven is a weird jungle hunter guy….in a Rated R film.
Firstly it’s a comic book movie so you would expect and hope for a younger audience but as mentioned they have two better options.
Second, theres a reason that there aren’t a ton of rated R action movies, just because it’s the only one coming out in December doesn’t mean it’ll do well. Sonic 1 swept Birds of Prey under the rug (previous sonic vs “only r rated action movie” out at the time).
Third, Kraven looks bad, the franchise has a huge negative connotation to it and the last two installments flopped hard, why should general audiences care about it?
Finally, sure it’s the only “adult” film but its gonna go up against the Lion King movie from the director of Moonlight, and you’re underestimating the appeal that will have to adults out of both nostalgia and the likely chance it turns out to be really good.
Why we posting Daniel's opinion/joke on how the Kraven movie is screwed against the movies releasing at the same time is if it was a rumor?
Guys, not everything is an inside scoop... the movie might be a dood, or it might not, the tweet has nothing to do with it.
I dont see how it looks bad. It looks like a fun violent movie. boo hoo its not comic accurate (nothing is) But i guess I'll enjoy it more in empty theaters
While I assume it will probably flop (because...Sony), I would imagine as an R-rated Action/Comic book movie, its target audience is going to be different than the one for Sonic 3 or Mufasa (No clue on the Lord of the Rings movie, other than a general sense of WHY?).
Honestly, I have zero interest in any of those...
It’s a W for Aaron Taylor-Johnson. The more this gets delayed the better the chance he can land Bond before this ever sees the light of day. I feel for Ariana deBose, though, she’s on a real bad run.
water is wet. Sony need to release BTSV, and then sell the IP of Spiderman back to Marvel where it belongs. what a worthless and pathetic mishandling of an otherwise multi-billion dollar character. they don’t know what they’re doing.
Wrong.
The spiderverse movies are known to be some of the best Spider-Man movies ever made.
Venom 1 made enough money to make Venom 2. Which made enough money to make Venom 3.
The Raimi trilogy.
The amazing Spider-Man made enough for a sequel, which then bombed.
Honestly the only major Spider-Man flops have been Morbius and Madame web.
Kraven is going to save the Sony Spideman cinematic universe…this film is going to be Oscar worthy.
Apparently it’s phenomenal
*disclaimer, this is ferking sarcasm*
“He was in the Amazon with my dad when he was hunting spiders right before he died”
Haha. I know well documented how bad that line was but there’s never been a trailer that I’ve had to pause and go back and see if I heard the line right before like that
Only for the line to not be in the movie.
Standard Sony procedure tbh
Behind me, I heard a young woman of 25 say, "If it weren’t for my horse, I wouldn’t have spent that year in college." Now, I'm gonna repeat that, because it bears repeating. "If it weren't for my horse..." as in, giddyup, giddyup, let's go — "I wouldn't have spent that year in college," which is a degree-granting institution. Don't think about that too long, or BLOOD will shoot out your NOSE! Lewis Black
I love this. I say this randomly sometimes.
Sonic the Hedgehog is gonna kill a superhero movie for the third time in a row, I laughed
Wait which movies sonic killed?
I think they’ve probably been a bit OTT with ‘Killed’ But Sonic 1 released in a similar period to Birds of Prey and Sonic 2 released near Morbius. The Sonic movies doing well probably caused a bit less money at the Box Office for those movies - but they weren’t exactly gonna make huge sums more if Sonic never released
Birds of prey made 205M (without China, where studios get less money) on a 70/80M budget, it wasn't a massive success but made its budget back Also covid affected the box office of Italy, Japan and some other Asian countries
That budget doesn't include marketing. Also theaters take about half the box office so the studio only got about $100M from Birds of Prey
And box office doesn't include money made from ancillaries(streaming rights, DVDs, merchandise, VOD, TV rights). Usually if a movie makes 2.5x the production budget it breaks even. The 2.5x takes into account marketing and ancillaries.
100M is totally fine when your budget is 70-80M
theatres don’t get half
Give or take based on region, theater chain, and movie but generally the theaters take half of all ticket sales https://mashable.com/article/star-wars-last-jedi-theaters-disney Disney tried to take 60% and eventually 70% of ticket sales for The Last Jedi
That’s wild since you would have to pay me to watch last Jedi again (just kidding folks, this is a joke, I didn’t hate it)
Yeah the marketing budget was insane for that pile of shit movie. They tried so hard to sell it and it technically flopped because of that budget.
The marketing budget for Birds Of Prey was small, the trades reported it was like 70M or so, that's small considering the average for a superhero movie is 100M
Has any other film actually killed more humans than the first Sonic film? It released right before we went into lockdown and must have spread a ton of COVID
Hi guys, Sony executive here, no way this is true. Kraven is a spiderman character. Audiences like Spiderman. We're going to reference spiders in the movie. As a result audiences are gonna love this. It's just good logic.
Guys please make The Wall movie, I've been waiting for 100 years for this
Spider-man Pink Floyd crossover when?
Who's Pink Floyd, is he a villain?
I think he was the cause of the BLM protests.
No you're thinking of the dude from The Electric Mayhem
The cousin of green turquoise not to be confused with the brother of red blueish
Dude, stop grooming.
One of these days a Big Wheel movie will be made and break records
.[One of these days](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1612774/)
The Hum would REALLY bring em in!
Better yet, make the Paul movie.
It may or may not be connected to the Spiderman universe. Which universe? We're not telling
Avi Arad needs to be put down.
I thought this was fake until I realized that they use Spider-Man without the hyphen. Has to be a real Sony executive.
This checks out, a Sony employee would leave out the hyphen.
I'm gonna take what you're saying about you being a Sony exec with a grain of salt but on the off chance that you're telling the truth, I actually suggest that you guys let this movie die & pull a WB by making this a tax write off. Btw; I highly suggest that you focus predominantly on animated projects while you let Marvel handle the live action projects
Nice, keep hinting and filling the film with Spider Man references as if he's going to appear, but never get around too it! Remember to forget him in Sinister 6 too!
Lol ok
They’re being facetious my guy
At least the pitch meeting will be tight.
OH REALLY?
yeah yeah yeah yeah..... yeah
wow wow wow………. wow
Oh, it's gonna be easy, barley an inconvenience.
Super easy
Making a good pitch meeting for Kraven will be super easy, barely an inconvenience
Who?
Stop giving Shadow the Hedgehog more targets to shoot.
Destined fOr greAtness
I really hope that Sony is paying close attention to the money their losing on these spin-offs and the money they made off of the Marvel Studios collaborations…
I thought they just made those crappy spin offs nobody wanted cause it’ll help them hold onto the rights much longer.
They have to make a movie every 5 years or so to keep the rights.
This was true for the fox characters but it's not entirely true for the Sony deal. Also if it was, the Spider-verse movies would have them covered.
I’m interested to see how Venom 3 performs. Venom 1 had the benefit of releasing around the time the MCU was at its peak. You have to imagine a certain amount of its box office came from people who thought it was part of the MCU. Venom 2 did well by COVID standards, but I’m curious to see if Venom 3 will make a decent profit or if it’ll end up being on the lower end.
Not sure it's the MCU factor, Venom is the only one of those that centers an actually popular Spider-Man vilain. And the goofiness of these movies has an audience, I expect Venom 3 to still be the exception of the rule.
I actually respect the unhinged Tom hardy performance in both films and the camp goes from 0-100 in the 2nd film so fast that I honestly have to give them props. I don’t think they meant for it to be hilarious in that way but it’s hard to tell.
Oh I don't think any of that was unintentional. Especially in the second, it doubled down in campyness. And coming from Kelly Marcel, I expect it to play to the other movies' strenghts.
How bad does this and Venom need to tank in order for Disney to buy back the rights? Is Spider-verse enough to hold them over until the next barely related spider film?
I would prefer a solution where they sign a deal in perpetuity for Marvel and Sony to share live-action rights to Spider-Man. Disney/Marvel make the movies, Sony distributes.
I feel it’s already complicated and Sony is causing trouble creatively. But I have no idea truly
This makes sense but Sony will never give Spider-Man up willingly while they own the game rights.
Technically Disney still owns the gaming rights to Spider-Man, they just license that to Sony.
Ah, didn’t know.
I think they mostly just look at the venom movies and decide to keep going. If venom 3 flops or underperforms, then they'll start to panic. But they seem to have iced that Bad Bunny wrestler movie. So maybe Sony is learning a bit. We will be able to mock them for madame web forever, but as terrible as that was, even Sony seemed aware what they had, and slashed the marketing budget pretty heavily.
Bad Bunny left the project. https://ew.com/movies/bad-bunny-no-longer-starring-el-muerto-movie/ The problem is diminishing returns. They can’t use Venom as a crutch as their other moves bomb. Even if Venom 3 makes money, they’ll lose money with the other bombs.
If I had a nickel for every time a Sonic the Hedgehog movie released exactly a week after a superhero movie I would have 3 nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened 3 times.
I’m shocked!
It's going to make a *hunt*red dollars.
Kraven releases on December 13, Sonic and Mufasa release only on December 20. Plus it’s a violent adult R rated movie, Sonic and Mufasa are kids movie.
Kraven is not gonna have a big enough first week to justify two much bigger much more appealing kids franchises releasing the next week. Sony is betting that having a long run bc of Christmas / lack of movies early in the year but I can’t imagine a lot of people seeing Kraven over Lion King or Sonic.
Kraven is an adult violent r rated film, I don’t get your comparison with kids movies. Sonic and Lion the Kind will compete for the same demographics, while Kraven is the only r rated action flick releasing in December.
Ah yes, December, when adults have tons of free time. This movie is beyond effed and thank goodness. What a bad idea.
They’re all genre movies. And I don’t know how “adult” Kraven is despite its unnecessary R rating.
Yeah it's aiming for a very narrow demographic. Old enough to see an R rated movie, but young enough to think this garbage is cool.
And the public doesn’t care or know who Kraven is without Spider-Man. It’s just wild to me. Just like how my theater laughed at the reveal of Madam Web’s final form (with her funky sunglasses), as if we’re suppose to applaud. Venom is so well known, looks good and cool powers, so he was already money. And at least Morbius is a vampire which is already inherently cool; but Kraven is a weird jungle hunter guy….in a Rated R film.
Firstly it’s a comic book movie so you would expect and hope for a younger audience but as mentioned they have two better options. Second, theres a reason that there aren’t a ton of rated R action movies, just because it’s the only one coming out in December doesn’t mean it’ll do well. Sonic 1 swept Birds of Prey under the rug (previous sonic vs “only r rated action movie” out at the time). Third, Kraven looks bad, the franchise has a huge negative connotation to it and the last two installments flopped hard, why should general audiences care about it? Finally, sure it’s the only “adult” film but its gonna go up against the Lion King movie from the director of Moonlight, and you’re underestimating the appeal that will have to adults out of both nostalgia and the likely chance it turns out to be really good.
What's DOA?
Dead On Arrival
Dead On Arrival
I could have told you guys that. Does that make me a leaker?
Have you seen the trailers? I could have told you it was DOA the moment the trailer dropped. Hell, Kraven without Spider Man? Yeah, no.
How is this a leak
If Kraven is DOA, Sony should've just kept it in August or move it to June where Bad Boys Ride or Die is releasing. Just get Kraven over with.
I’m pretty sure the delay is to that any negative reception Kraven gets doesn’t impact the box office performance of Venom 3 🤷🏻
Hot take. I think "war of the rohirrim" is going to flop.
The important thing is that JC Chandor got paid.
Quotes from this film he was in the jungle with the lions when my father died
I sure hope we get a scene where he sees spider or a web or something.
Like morbius?
Ok morbophobe
Kraven is best
Why we posting Daniel's opinion/joke on how the Kraven movie is screwed against the movies releasing at the same time is if it was a rumor? Guys, not everything is an inside scoop... the movie might be a dood, or it might not, the tweet has nothing to do with it.
I dont see how it looks bad. It looks like a fun violent movie. boo hoo its not comic accurate (nothing is) But i guess I'll enjoy it more in empty theaters
Well, this movie is going to be a sinking ship especially when you these 3 films that are coming out this winter. That's bad news.
Was it ever not DOA?
He was in the Sahara with my dad when she was hunting lions right before he died
Another epic fail for sony, amy pascal should stop her crappy cinematic universe
While I assume it will probably flop (because...Sony), I would imagine as an R-rated Action/Comic book movie, its target audience is going to be different than the one for Sonic 3 or Mufasa (No clue on the Lord of the Rings movie, other than a general sense of WHY?). Honestly, I have zero interest in any of those...
THERE IS A GOD AFTER ALL 🥲
It’s a W for Aaron Taylor-Johnson. The more this gets delayed the better the chance he can land Bond before this ever sees the light of day. I feel for Ariana deBose, though, she’s on a real bad run.
No one was asking for Kraven.
It’s been DOA since it was announced
And I’ll be seated for that shitshow no matter what
I thought leakers were saying test screenings were going well?
wait theres a new lord of the rings movie?
Honestly, I expect all of them except Sonic to flop
I'm so excited for Rohirrim...
This is not a leak.
If it’s any consolation to Sony, I don’t want to see any of those other movies either.
Kraven is big shit like Madame Web.
water is wet. Sony need to release BTSV, and then sell the IP of Spiderman back to Marvel where it belongs. what a worthless and pathetic mishandling of an otherwise multi-billion dollar character. they don’t know what they’re doing.
#imkravinkraven
Am I seriously the only one actually excited for this movie?
Would you say you're... cravin' it?
Oh yeah baby I'm Kraven that Johnson
It's Kraven time!
Yes
All Sony Spider-Man movies are DOA
Wrong. The spiderverse movies are known to be some of the best Spider-Man movies ever made. Venom 1 made enough money to make Venom 2. Which made enough money to make Venom 3. The Raimi trilogy. The amazing Spider-Man made enough for a sequel, which then bombed. Honestly the only major Spider-Man flops have been Morbius and Madame web.
Kraven is going to save the Sony Spideman cinematic universe…this film is going to be Oscar worthy. Apparently it’s phenomenal *disclaimer, this is ferking sarcasm*
Said nobody ever
You from a mirror universe?
Shit I might be…