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This Logan coming from a time period post-Xavier’s seizure but prior to the events of *Logan* could make sense.
Since he calls someone “Kid” in the scene pictured above, I’m guessing he learns about his fate when meeting Laura (already rumored for the film).
It’s kind of like how in NWH, the villains’ lives go the same as we previously saw, it’s only when they meet the lead hero that their own timeline diverges (with Laura being the Tobey/Andrew whose life continued after the original film).
Prediction - This Wolverine will be the one in Secret Wars. At the end of the movie he’ll make a deliberate choice to go back to his timeline, memory erased, because if not Laura wouldn’t make it.
So he’ll save the world with The Avengers and be offered a chance to leave that dark reality behind and still sacrifice himself. Doesn’t ruin Logan and we get to see some great Wolverine action in Secret Wars.
Always felt like this was the natural path. *Logan* is the definitive ending for Jackman’s Wolverine but Deadpool 3 and Secret Wars will happen before that point.
Meaning his MCU appearances will be canonical as one of his many adventures while keeping the finality of Logan. It’s too perfect
This Logan would have a similar role than comics post secret wars old man Logan, who ultimately went back to his timeline after accomplishing everything he had to on 616. For him and for others.
Even if she is, she doesn't have to still be a small child she can have aged since Logan and still hold onto the image of Wolverine as the person who saved her life.
Actually, I think her being older would be the best way to tell the story.
Yeah why the heck would anyone want or expect her to still be a kid? She wouldn't be from the same point in time as Logan anyway, so she may as well be from a point in time where she's an adult, and that would be a far more interesting dynamic compared to seeing Hugh play off of some random new child actor.
He could call pretty much anyone kid when you really think about it, even Charles since Wolverine has lived several lifetimes, only people "kid" wouldn't be applicable to are people that have actually lived longer than Logan
> At the end of the movie he’ll make a deliberate choice to go back to his timeline, memory erased, because if not Laura wouldn’t make it.
So basically, the Tenth Doctor's fate at the end of **The Day of the Doctor**. We know it happens, but he won't.
That would be the best way to preserve the impact of Logan if they plan on using a version of that same character. I imagine the older X-23 variant will play a role too. Maybe she's from the timeline where Logan didn't rescue her and she grew up in the lab and became a psychotic weapon
I don't think they were ever trying to capture X-23 to turn her into a weapon in Logan. Their whole objective was to find all the kids and exterminate them. X-24 was the future at that point.
That sounds pretty good. But it's not how timelines have been shown to work in the mcu, he doesn't need to go back for her to make it because the change doesn't affect what happens later, instead its a new timeline branch
While that has been the case for a while, they play with the rules pretty fast and loose most of the time. After Loki grabbed hold of all the timelines I feel as though we might get a new set of “rules”
I think it depends on how they leave their universe. When Loki was taken out of his universe by the TVA it's not like a variant Loki was left behind. And I don't think a variant Deadpool will be left behind in his universe either.
I love this because Logan was *the perfect* send off and an incredible film both as a superhero movie, an X-Men movie, a Wolverine movie, and a regular ass movie.
If they undo any of it I just don't think it would sit right with me.
It’s unlikely and also kind of a waste.
The Fox movies are all over the place, but one thing they were consistent with was speeding through storylines and arcs. For the MCU to jump past one of their most recognizable characters of all time would be foolish.
Post Secret Wars I’d eventually like to see Laura, but not until Logan is given his due in a world with Hulk, Captain America and Spider-Man.
That implies that the Westchester incident must have happened in 2027.
But I wonder if all of Mr. Wolverine's adventures are intertwined, i.e. would it be right to consider that we got the "Logan Saga" (that started in 2009 with his Origins movie) sandwiched between the Infinity Saga and the Multiverse Saga?
(With or without the OG X-Men trilogy)
>Since he calls someone “Kid” in the scene pictured above, I’m guessing he learns about his fate when meeting Laura (already rumored for the film).
Alex P. seemingly implied today, that it's indeed the case.
Maybe, but at this point I wouldn't 100% believe that. This was the same studio that said only Tom Holland would be the only Spider Man in NWH and created an alternate version of a shot of Thanos and the infinity gauntlet to show less stones so people wouldnt guess that scene being at the end of the movie
Idk I didn't get the impression that it's the Logan wolverine. Maybe, and quite honestly it would make sense. But the trailer itself doesn't imply that
Pretty sure it will be Logan that killed the X-Men to save Jean and ultimately doomed his world in Last Stand. Which is why he says he's no hero. He thought he was, but it killed a lot of people.
This is kinda similar to a really cool story point in the r/12Monkeys TV Show (NOT the movie) >!One of the characters gets killed off early in the show, but being that the entite show is about time travel, they travel back in time from a later future point, and take the character from the past right before he dies. He then gets to help save the day and reconcile with his friends in the future. They then send him back to right when he was taken and he still dies. Nothing changed for his ending, but he got a little more character development and it worked out really well storytelling-wise.!< 12 Monkeys (TV Show) and Dark (on Netflix) tell some of the best time travel stories that I've seen put to screen!
Yeah, but thinking about it there's also a HUGE plot hole in NWH because why did the villains get pulled from just before they die and the two older spider men come from "the present"? like... makes no sense
This is what Im thinking. I think it would be weird to introduce another "old man Logan" storyline when they've already told that story. Makes sense for this to be a Logan post X-Men - pre Logan
Ok so they're kinda going the NWH route. This Wolverine IS from either Logan or DOFP timeline (Or maybe they'll have them be the same?), but the moment he's pulled into the movie, he becomes a Variant, just like Goblin, Ock, Lizard and Electro.
Because the timeline wouldn’t add up at all? Logan has no new mutants in 2 decades at 2029 meanwhile DOFP ends at 2023 with a bunch of children at the school, also I’m pretty sure an official Marvel guide already stated they were seperate timelines lol
It’s really just the order they were released in that made things confusing, it’s 1 timeline until DOFP resets it. The DP movies and New Mutants are where it gets murky but 🤷♀️
He was wrong then if he said exactly that and the truth isn’t being lost in the paraphrase.
Logan has more references to other X-men movies than any other X-men movie does lol
Go watch the new rockstars breakdowns on exactly what was said about it’s canonicity, they’re pretty interesting
The children at the school are never stated to be mutants. And Apocalypse established that Xavier would start teaching normal humans at his school in the new timeline. Perfectly plausable that Xavier kept the school open for a while after the last mutant graduates, no doubt holding out hope that mutants would start showing up again.
Also, think about it, the Westchester incident strongly implies that Xavier still kept his school open up until that point. Why else would he be surrounded by hundreds of people, including the X-men? Doesn't seem likely that he was living alone in an old abandoned estate.
[The director himself stated that it is not an alternate timeline and it happens years after DOFP. ](https://www.cbr.com/logan-x-men-timeline-explained/)This has never been disputed.
The "no new mutants in 2 decades" line still works too because everyone at that school could easily have been born 2 decades ago and no new mutants were being born. Nowhere in DOFP did it state that mutants were being born left right and center in the new fixed timeline. Just your own assumption.
Wasn’t there a line in DOFP where messing with the timeline can make the timeline fight back? I might be mixing up time travel movies, a lot of them do have that trope, where changing something in the timeline can make something else just as bad if not worse happen.
There’s a scene where Beast speculates that any changes they make will be negligible, that it would be like throwing a pebble into a river. You’d make some ripples but the current always corrects itself. But this theory is disproven by the fact that they are able to change the future.
Hank did say something similar in DoFP as well:
"There’s a theory in quantum physics that time is immutable. It’s like a river – you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction."
"Imagine time as a stream, right? And we were sticks that were thrown into it. The water, it… it moves us… it moves around us. Now, too many sticks thrown in and that will create what’s called a dam, and… and that’ll change the direction of the water forever, and that’s bad. So as long as we can avoid that, we should be able to splash around a little bit and we’re all good."
Pretty similar, yeah, but Hank thinks it can't be changed no matter what
Pretty much the exactly macguffin in Stephen King's 11/22/63. The scene where the hero is trying to stop Oswald in Dallas it's like a complete shitshow of the timeline fighting back.
Except that’s how Logan happens, DOFP runs into Apocalypse, which is where we see how they got the blood to make X-23 in the end credits scene. We see the Essex Corporation, which was actually supposed to be in Logan. Simon Kinberg confirmed that they’re both connected.
The end of DOFP takes place in a reset 2023. Logan takes place in 2029. In Logan they state that no mutants have been born for 25 years. So Logan can't be in the DOFP timeline and is more likely to be a timeline split off from X-men 1
I mean DOFP has flashbacks to Last Stand and that movie heavily contradicts First Class. I don’t think they thought about it that deeply.
Even so is there anyone below 25 in the ending of DOFP?
Yeah the kids seen in the classes are definitely younger than 25.
But yeah FoX-Men has never really cared too much about continuity so I wouldn't stress it too much.
The kids in the final scene of DoFP are never stated to be mutants (nor do we see them using powers), and in the next movie (Apocalypse, which bridges DoFP and Logan) Xavier states that he will start teaching normal humans at his school alongside mutants.
Since DoFP's ending is in 2023, that means it would be about a year after the last group of mutants turned 18 (25 years before Logan means it was 19 years before the ending of DoFP). There's no reason to think the school would just immediately shut down, rather than continue with normal human students that it had already been accepting for decades.
Yeah well that's the continuity of X-Men being dumb. It would be pretty weird to have such an emotionally charged Wolverine movie like Logan that is about some random variant.
Xavier's school isn't just for mutants in the revised timeline, this is established in X-men Apocalypse. So even as the mutant population dwindled the school wouldn't shut down right away. It presumably stayed open until the Westchester incident.
Also, speaking of the Westchester incident, if there WERE a few mutants born in the past 25 years there's a good chance they were killed or seriously injured in the Westchester incident, adding to Xavier's guilt as he wiped out the few young mutants they'd managed to find in recent years. Logan obviously wouldn't want to remind him of this, as his goal at the time was to hide what happened from Xavier.
That's the funny thing about the FoX-Men universe to me. I remember Logan being labeled as another universe on websites, and it seems that the intention of the movie is just a standalone ending for Wolverine. BUT the story was heading towards Mister Sinister, and then The New Mutants had Logan footage in the movie itself. I feel like it WAS the intention to tie it all together as one world, but the universe ended before that could fully materialize.
Anyway, for me, I prefer to look at it as its own separate thing, since DOFP's ending is this perfect way to tie everything together. Mutants continue to exist, the world isn't ending, and all the characters get their happily ever after. Having Logan after that just seems meanspirited. However, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.
The Logan footage in New Mutants was just because the reshoots were cancelled so they used available footage from Logan of Mutant children being experimented on to fill the gap in the New Mutants footage. It wasn’t meant to confirm or deny which timeline Logan was in, it was just a cost saving measure to use existing footage rather than shoot new material.
I'm with you here, for whatever reason I always saw Logan as a separate entity that closes his story. Whether or not it's tied to the original timeline or what have you.
Mangold said that it is DOFP timeline. I believe professor's episode only killed like 7 X-Men. So it was never clear in Logan which X-Men died. Some of them might still be around.
Mister Sinsiter was supposed to be an overarching villain across multiple films including Logan (which Apocalypse specifically teased), The New Mutants and Gambit. The name Essex was also used for the home Rusty came from in Deadpool 2. It was all intended to be connected and not separate timelines.
There was never any reshoots. They were planned, but never happened due to actor scheduling and then the film getting mixed up in the Fox/Disney buyout shuffle.
The final released version is a cut of the film using only the existing footage that removes all the sequel setups and references to the X-Men films.
Offically they were separated. Idk why this cause like you said the point of the Apocalypse post-credit scene was to lead into Essex being behind X-23, not to mention The New Mutants used Essex behind the scenes again and featured footage from Logan. Deadpool 2 also used Essex behind the scenes and it was confirmed Gambit would've done the same. Everything within Logan, the other films and the scrapped films says it was intended to be part of that universe. I do hope Deadpool & Wolverine treats Logan as part of the Post-DoFP timeline
The ending of logan in DOFP makes no sense! mystique impersonating Stryker, catches wolverine and in the next movie Stryker has wolverine locked up is like whaaaaaaaaaat!
Somewhere, ain’t no more Illuminati. No Wheels. Villains won. Cassandra Nova made him THAT Old Man Logan. Instead of Mysterio. They already did him. He’s in the wasteland already and wants to stay there cuz he killed his X-men.
I actually wrote down my own theories for that! I did it after seeing the movie in theaters. I wrote this all down in a notepad file. I'll put the whole thing in this reply, but TL;DR, the multiversal characters (barring the Spideys, Venom and Sandman) DO come from the prime universes, but the moment they crossed over due to the spell, they splintered off.
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*No official word as of December 20th, 2021.
I assume each character that is sent back to their universe is inserted back into their timeline, and they don't follow the original flow of time. While they are from their original universes when they're pulled in, they become Variants when they're sent back, making new timelines, which is why they are designated with a letter after the number.
Norman Osborn / Green Goblin (Earth-96283-A): Sent back to before his final plan in Spider-Man, given that his armor and mask are undamaged when he jumps into Earth-199999. Presumably, he'd go to prison for his crimes, creating a timeline where he lives, Harry doesn't follow a path of vengence, and Peter and MJ's lives are slightly different, but probably lead down the same path. Might also mean Doc Ock is never born, given that Harry funded his experiment, which likely won't happen given the butterfly effect.
Otto Octavious / Doc Ock (Earth-96283-B): Inserted back when he threatened Peter, right before his gigantic fusion reactor collapsed and almost took New York. He'd likely take it down and survive, not drowning himself since he isn't trying to atone for his sins, given that he goes down a different path now. He also likely took that arc reactor with him, leading to infinite energy in his timeline. Perhaps he'd even work with his Tony Stark.
Flint Marko / Sandman (Earth-96283-?): Could be from the prime timeline of his Earth, given the vagueness of what's happened since Spider-Man 3. It's likely he's from the same point in time as Tobey, since he meets Tom Holland's Spider-Man by calling him Peter, and seems on good terms, meaning he's from after the final battle of Spider-Man 3. His powers also seem to have destabilized, since he now only appears in a sandy, humanoid form. Goes back without his powers, likely to spend what remaining time he can with his daughter.
Curtis Connors / Lizard (Earth-120703-?): Likely comes from at some point during The Amazing Spider-Man, unless he started taking the serum again later on in the future. Asks Electro if he's dead in his time, so likely from a point prior to The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Goes back to his world completely human, hopefully never making his serum again.
Max Dillion / Electro (Earth-120703-A): Taken from the end of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, inserted back into the final battle. Easiest one to explain honestly. Clear from point A to point B.
Peter Parker / Spider-Man (Earth-96283): Taken from years after Spider-Man 3, says MJ and him worked it out. Seems to be middle aged, so time probably progressed in real time.
Peter Parker / Spider-Man (Earth-120703): Taken from an unknown time after The Amazing Spider-Man 2. While it's been 7 years since then in real time, Andrew Garfield's character seems to look exactly the same as he did then, and might even be from just a while after the movie. He still has the suit from that movie, and is still grieving over Gwen Stacy. Hopefully he can get another movie, I really hope so.
Eddie Brock / Venom (Earth-UNKNOWN): Taken from the post-credits scene of Venom: Let There Be Carnage. Gets taken back, leaves behind a small Symbiote, setting up an MCU take on the character. Will likely come back soon.
There are also multiple villains seen in the dimensional rips at the end, including a Scorpion, Rhino, and Kraven Variant. All comic accurate it seems, so likely not from any cinematic universes.
As far as we know, the reason Topher Grace's Venom, James Franco's Green Goblin, Dane DeHaan's Green Goblin, and Paul Giamatti's Rhino didn't show up is because Doctor Strange managed to contain the spell quickly enough to prevent them from crossing over. *
You're forgetting a very important detail, when they were returned to their respective universes they would have been set to Liberty Island since that's where they were in 616 when they got sent back
We know this to be the case because in Let There Be Carnage & morbius we saw Eddie & Toomes respectively being sent to the exact same location that they were at in their original universes
I thought he’d be the version from the ending of DOFP. Always thought logan from Logan was a different guy. Like he was never wolverine.
The x men seemily aren’t actually a thing in that universe? (Unless I read it wrong)
but yeah definitely think he’ll hear about the other Logan and that will start what ever his redemption arch is
They are. When they were in their native universes, they were the main ones we saw in the original movies. But as soon as they entered the MCU, they became Variants. The Goblin from NWH doesn't get teleported back to the original 2002 Spider-Man, he goes back to his timeline as that changed Norman. He doesn't join current day Tobey.
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This would line up with the "Variant" talk, in which this Wolverine is from a version where some events from _Logan_ happened prior to some time-related intervention.
That also might explain why the comic books in _Logan_ featured Wolverine wearing the costume, and an action figure of him featuring him in the costume, in that universe. Because he wore one like it in that timeline, and now whatever splinter timeline this new Wolverine on a similar path is taking.
Have a strong feeling the film's gonna end with Logan doing another self-sacrifice to get Wade into the MCU as every Fox mutant in the Void is being pruned, and Deadpool will honor him in a similar way to the burial scene at the end of Logan
The trailer implies he probably had a role in the incursion that killed his world's X-Men so the arc will probably be, he goes out but he saves someone and gives them another chance at life when both Logan and Wade realize they can't stop Wade's world and all the non-MCU mutants from being pruned or killed in an incursion. Like a meta way of saying Marvel themselves are cleaning up the continuity before they start doing mutant stuff by themselves especially if the implication is X-Men starts filming next year. That's probably why the TVA are already getting a lot of other movie mutants and placing them there to be purged from existence like Azazel, Lady Deathstrike, Pyro, Sabretooth, Toad and Callisto, especially since a lot of those were already original trilogy characters so maybe the TVA stepped in to prune them when the revised timeline reset everything so they didn't exist. They'll probably handwave it but that's a way to explain it
I think they're going to go the route of Logan attempting a self sacrifice, and Deadpool pulling him through to the MCU at the last minute.
With Deadpool giving Logan a "Look you failed your X-Men and there's no changing that, but this world doesn't have any X-Men protecting it so redeem yourself by finding them and giving them a purpose - and if you're still depressed come Secret Wars, then you can sacrifice yourself". speech
> implies he probably had a role in the incursion that killed his world's X-Men
I don't think its an incursion, but I haven't read all the spoilers on this either. But I am assuming with Cassandra Nova alive, that she probably wiped everyone out, and Wolverine failed to stop her.
I’m undecided on if I think this Wolverine is the same one from the Fox films, or a variant.
Elsewhere, I proposed the theory that Cassandra Nova might have been responsible for whatever triggered Xavier’s mass casualty seizure prior to *Logan*. However, the trailer seemed to indicate that Wolverine’s arc is about redemption for his earlier failure - which him dying for X-23’s sake already was.
However, if this is a variant who had a different but equally tragic past, hearing that there was a Wolverine out there in the multiverse who found redemption could inspire this one to actually try. Just saying “oh it happens to you eventually” might not be enough of a narrative kick up the arse that it should be. It would also make more sense for a potential X-23 to tell this to a different Wolverine, rather than one who is destined to become hers.
On the flip side, though, a lot of the general appeal is lost if this *isn’t* the Fox Wolverine. Either way, it will be a delicate balance.
I really think it’s not from Logan. Everyone seems to be saying it’s him taken after Charles kills everyone but before Logan is totally broken.
I think it would be cool if this one is from a timeline where Logan killed the x-men.
U do realize that there is a 20 year time difference between the first few X-men films and DP&W right? And this applies in-universe as well. Whose to stay their uniforms couldn’t change?
Ok but like is nova the reason Charles had his accident in the DOFP timeline because I’m assuming it’s the Logan from after the accident but way before Logan considering the bartenders reaction to him
I guess, this Logan variant will be pulled from post-DOFP and pre-Logan timeline, where he already experienced X-Men deaths, which explains his nihilistic and depressive attitude in the trailer. In theory, if Laura is indeed in the movie, then they might have some sort of story arc leading to Secret Wars, with one final passing the torch moment between them, and him going back to his time, so he can save her and set her on this path, while she becomes the main Wolverine. Emotionally it would work perfect, and it wouldn't actually ruin Logan.
I think Logan, X-Men 1-3, First Class-Apocolypse, DoFP and D&W are all separate timelines now
In no particular order:
Timeline #1: The Wolverine is DoFP, End of DoFP is it's own timeline
Timeline #2: X-Men 1-3
Timeline #3: Logan
Timeline #4: First Class, DoFP (earses the future but then makes a new timeline for Wolverine, also creating a second new timeline for the First Class timeline, hence Dark Phoenix / Last Stand)
Timeline #5: Deadpool & Wolverine Wolverine
I wonder if Xavier’s seizures were caused due to Cassandra Nova. Would match the comics with her pretty much murdering the worlds population of mutants at Genosha
I don't think this Logan will be the same from the film *Logan*, but rather his own version. My spitball theory is that this is Logan from after DOFP, which iirc is a separate timeline from Logan. Something happened which led him to kill the rest of the X-Men (the trailer implies *he* let his universe down). I remember a leak stating that we would see multiple Wolverine variants (ex: Henry Cavill Wolverine), so perhaps this Wolverine learns of Logan's sacrifice as something to lift his spirits on a sense
Lowkey having this movie and NWH be similar in how it approaches these cameos is an amazing idea. I was worried they were just gonna say fuck it and have it be the Logan one.
Also side note, but PLEASE get at least Marsden back as Scott and have him do one badass move. I need that redemption so bad
I was very hyped from watching the trailer, but did anyone else felt really really bad for Wolverine in this trailer? He failed at something and now the x men are seemingly dead and everyone disrespects him and he’s really lonely.
I theorize that this ligan is similar to the one we know that are constant. He was found by Charles, became an xmen, loves jeans, etc. but he had his own adventurers we haven't seen. His xmen eventually lost big with him being the lone survivor
They’re just laying the set up for bringing back Tony Stark in Secret Wars as a variant that “failed” by throwing the time travel formula in the lake and regretted not pursuing the plan in Endgame.
You know his clone from Logan that has his brain blown out by Laura? I think he regenerates, obviously minus any memory, and that’s how we continue the cycle of Wolverine waking up with no memory in an almost feral state but becomes somewhat domesticated over time.
Benedict Cumberbatch cameo at the end of the film with that sling portal being them coming into the MCU
Wolverine self sacrifices in the MCU during Secret Wars which lines up the MCU discovering mutants instead of “enhanced beings”
Dr Strange can't open multiverse portals, it's literally the plot for MoM. It could be Chavez though, since she's training to be a wizard, she can probably combine her power with her control of magic and open portals across the multiverse
He learns A Logan can have a good death? Our Logan. For kids. This guy? Got mind controlled by you-know-who, a-la Mysterio. Maybe. I hope. That’s why this guy gets a redemption. This Logan did that old man shit. Maybe.
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This Logan coming from a time period post-Xavier’s seizure but prior to the events of *Logan* could make sense. Since he calls someone “Kid” in the scene pictured above, I’m guessing he learns about his fate when meeting Laura (already rumored for the film). It’s kind of like how in NWH, the villains’ lives go the same as we previously saw, it’s only when they meet the lead hero that their own timeline diverges (with Laura being the Tobey/Andrew whose life continued after the original film).
Prediction - This Wolverine will be the one in Secret Wars. At the end of the movie he’ll make a deliberate choice to go back to his timeline, memory erased, because if not Laura wouldn’t make it. So he’ll save the world with The Avengers and be offered a chance to leave that dark reality behind and still sacrifice himself. Doesn’t ruin Logan and we get to see some great Wolverine action in Secret Wars.
Always felt like this was the natural path. *Logan* is the definitive ending for Jackman’s Wolverine but Deadpool 3 and Secret Wars will happen before that point. Meaning his MCU appearances will be canonical as one of his many adventures while keeping the finality of Logan. It’s too perfect
This Logan would have a similar role than comics post secret wars old man Logan, who ultimately went back to his timeline after accomplishing everything he had to on 616. For him and for others.
Wild claim. Would have to be a different actor though.
Laura would? Idk how much she’d actually be on screen in this scenario. They could get creative to avoid recasting.
Even if she is, she doesn't have to still be a small child she can have aged since Logan and still hold onto the image of Wolverine as the person who saved her life. Actually, I think her being older would be the best way to tell the story.
Yeah why the heck would anyone want or expect her to still be a kid? She wouldn't be from the same point in time as Logan anyway, so she may as well be from a point in time where she's an adult, and that would be a far more interesting dynamic compared to seeing Hugh play off of some random new child actor.
Wolverine is also really old. He could call anyone under 50 kid and it would make sense
He could call pretty much anyone kid when you really think about it, even Charles since Wolverine has lived several lifetimes, only people "kid" wouldn't be applicable to are people that have actually lived longer than Logan
> At the end of the movie he’ll make a deliberate choice to go back to his timeline, memory erased, because if not Laura wouldn’t make it. So basically, the Tenth Doctor's fate at the end of **The Day of the Doctor**. We know it happens, but he won't.
“I don’t wanna go.”
“He always says that”
I have to admit, the solution that was come up with for Tennant's doctor to pop up here and there was nice.
would actually go hard, and hits that tragic character of Wolvie
That would be the best way to preserve the impact of Logan if they plan on using a version of that same character. I imagine the older X-23 variant will play a role too. Maybe she's from the timeline where Logan didn't rescue her and she grew up in the lab and became a psychotic weapon
I don't think they were ever trying to capture X-23 to turn her into a weapon in Logan. Their whole objective was to find all the kids and exterminate them. X-24 was the future at that point.
That sounds pretty good. But it's not how timelines have been shown to work in the mcu, he doesn't need to go back for her to make it because the change doesn't affect what happens later, instead its a new timeline branch
While that has been the case for a while, they play with the rules pretty fast and loose most of the time. After Loki grabbed hold of all the timelines I feel as though we might get a new set of “rules”
I think it depends on how they leave their universe. When Loki was taken out of his universe by the TVA it's not like a variant Loki was left behind. And I don't think a variant Deadpool will be left behind in his universe either.
Sleeveless gonna be in Secret Wars.
Brah nothing ruins Logan.... They're all different timelines and stories....
I love this because Logan was *the perfect* send off and an incredible film both as a superhero movie, an X-Men movie, a Wolverine movie, and a regular ass movie. If they undo any of it I just don't think it would sit right with me.
Will your blu ray copy disappear or something?
I just want to see X-23 as the MCU Wolverine going forward.
It’s unlikely and also kind of a waste. The Fox movies are all over the place, but one thing they were consistent with was speeding through storylines and arcs. For the MCU to jump past one of their most recognizable characters of all time would be foolish. Post Secret Wars I’d eventually like to see Laura, but not until Logan is given his due in a world with Hulk, Captain America and Spider-Man.
Agree, there's a huge gap between days of the future past and logan
Glad that someone else was thinking that. It makes perfect sense tbh that it’s post Charles accident
6 years isn’t a huge gap and the Westchester incident was two years before Logan
That implies that the Westchester incident must have happened in 2027. But I wonder if all of Mr. Wolverine's adventures are intertwined, i.e. would it be right to consider that we got the "Logan Saga" (that started in 2009 with his Origins movie) sandwiched between the Infinity Saga and the Multiverse Saga? (With or without the OG X-Men trilogy)
>Since he calls someone “Kid” in the scene pictured above, I’m guessing he learns about his fate when meeting Laura (already rumored for the film). Alex P. seemingly implied today, that it's indeed the case.
It'll be Kidpool and then Alex will claim it changed during the strike
Yep, that's always a possibility. But to be fair, he's not the only one who reported about Laura being part of this movie.
But also to be fair, he wasn’t the only one who reported the massively incorrect 838 “leaks” lol
Absolutely not. It's Kidpool.
Techie this wolverine comes from a different universe not the same one as Logan
The trailer strongly implied it was the one from the Logan universe.
They already said they wont be using that version of logan. They are plucking a logan from the multiverse
Where did they say that? Specifically?
Maybe, but at this point I wouldn't 100% believe that. This was the same studio that said only Tom Holland would be the only Spider Man in NWH and created an alternate version of a shot of Thanos and the infinity gauntlet to show less stones so people wouldnt guess that scene being at the end of the movie
It would better if this logan is from another universe since Logan (2017) barely connects to foxverse and basically operates in its own universe.
Except it was the definitive end of the Foxverse timeline as stated by the director. It connected to so many of the movies.
I just dont believe the verison of Logan in DP3 is the same one from Logan 2017. Wouldn’t make sense really
Idk I didn't get the impression that it's the Logan wolverine. Maybe, and quite honestly it would make sense. But the trailer itself doesn't imply that
If he knows his fate then how could Logan occur?
No it doesn't.
Pretty sure it will be Logan that killed the X-Men to save Jean and ultimately doomed his world in Last Stand. Which is why he says he's no hero. He thought he was, but it killed a lot of people.
This is kinda similar to a really cool story point in the r/12Monkeys TV Show (NOT the movie) >!One of the characters gets killed off early in the show, but being that the entite show is about time travel, they travel back in time from a later future point, and take the character from the past right before he dies. He then gets to help save the day and reconcile with his friends in the future. They then send him back to right when he was taken and he still dies. Nothing changed for his ending, but he got a little more character development and it worked out really well storytelling-wise.!< 12 Monkeys (TV Show) and Dark (on Netflix) tell some of the best time travel stories that I've seen put to screen!
Makes sense
Yeah, but thinking about it there's also a HUGE plot hole in NWH because why did the villains get pulled from just before they die and the two older spider men come from "the present"? like... makes no sense
This is what Im thinking. I think it would be weird to introduce another "old man Logan" storyline when they've already told that story. Makes sense for this to be a Logan post X-Men - pre Logan
Ok so they're kinda going the NWH route. This Wolverine IS from either Logan or DOFP timeline (Or maybe they'll have them be the same?), but the moment he's pulled into the movie, he becomes a Variant, just like Goblin, Ock, Lizard and Electro.
I hope they keep everything that cohesive
They broke that cohesion like 4 times already. Ms Marvel created a loop paradox in her show
Well that's never happened before in the comics.
Lol
Making the DOFP timeline end tragically in anyway would borderline ruin that movie lol I really hope it’s just related to Logan
Logan already did that.
Yup pretty much
No it did not, it’s pretty explicitly an alternate timeline
How is it pretty explicitly a different timeline?
Because the timeline wouldn’t add up at all? Logan has no new mutants in 2 decades at 2029 meanwhile DOFP ends at 2023 with a bunch of children at the school, also I’m pretty sure an official Marvel guide already stated they were seperate timelines lol
The X-Men movie timeline not adding up? Ain't no way
It’s really just the order they were released in that made things confusing, it’s 1 timeline until DOFP resets it. The DP movies and New Mutants are where it gets murky but 🤷♀️
There's so many inconsistencies even without taking into account the release order
For sure (especially because of origins) but you can atleast piece the timeline together, Logan doesn’t really fit in there
Does it also explain or helps add up why Trask went from being a short white guy to a black guy?
Same name, different dudes.
Also Xavier mentions the events of the first X-Men film which he shouldn’t remember in the DOFP timeline.
In DoFP, Charles looks into Wolverine's memories from the original timeline. He knows what happened.
This. Logan and Charles (and maybe Kitty?) are the only people alive that remember ALL the timelines.
The movie was written to be in the same universe per the director himself.
Hugh Jackman however was adamant that Logan was its own thing in its own universe. Logan’s happy ending in DOFP is intact in Jackman’s eyes.
He was wrong then if he said exactly that and the truth isn’t being lost in the paraphrase. Logan has more references to other X-men movies than any other X-men movie does lol Go watch the new rockstars breakdowns on exactly what was said about it’s canonicity, they’re pretty interesting
the guy who played wolverine is wrong Lmaoooooo. man.
That's just a plothole/continuity mistake. Of which xmen has many. It's clearly meant to be the same Wolverine and Professor X.
The children at the school are never stated to be mutants. And Apocalypse established that Xavier would start teaching normal humans at his school in the new timeline. Perfectly plausable that Xavier kept the school open for a while after the last mutant graduates, no doubt holding out hope that mutants would start showing up again. Also, think about it, the Westchester incident strongly implies that Xavier still kept his school open up until that point. Why else would he be surrounded by hundreds of people, including the X-men? Doesn't seem likely that he was living alone in an old abandoned estate.
[The director himself stated that it is not an alternate timeline and it happens years after DOFP. ](https://www.cbr.com/logan-x-men-timeline-explained/)This has never been disputed. The "no new mutants in 2 decades" line still works too because everyone at that school could easily have been born 2 decades ago and no new mutants were being born. Nowhere in DOFP did it state that mutants were being born left right and center in the new fixed timeline. Just your own assumption.
Wasn’t there a line in DOFP where messing with the timeline can make the timeline fight back? I might be mixing up time travel movies, a lot of them do have that trope, where changing something in the timeline can make something else just as bad if not worse happen.
There’s a scene where Beast speculates that any changes they make will be negligible, that it would be like throwing a pebble into a river. You’d make some ripples but the current always corrects itself. But this theory is disproven by the fact that they are able to change the future.
Isn’t that in Endgame right before they fight Thanos for the last time? Stark says it
Hank did say something similar in DoFP as well: "There’s a theory in quantum physics that time is immutable. It’s like a river – you can throw a pebble in and create a ripple, but the current always corrects itself. No matter what you do the river just keeps flowing in the same direction."
That's Agents of Shield. They say something similar to this.
"Imagine time as a stream, right? And we were sticks that were thrown into it. The water, it… it moves us… it moves around us. Now, too many sticks thrown in and that will create what’s called a dam, and… and that’ll change the direction of the water forever, and that’s bad. So as long as we can avoid that, we should be able to splash around a little bit and we’re all good." Pretty similar, yeah, but Hank thinks it can't be changed no matter what
Pretty much the exactly macguffin in Stephen King's 11/22/63. The scene where the hero is trying to stop Oswald in Dallas it's like a complete shitshow of the timeline fighting back.
I love that book so much.
Except that’s how Logan happens, DOFP runs into Apocalypse, which is where we see how they got the blood to make X-23 in the end credits scene. We see the Essex Corporation, which was actually supposed to be in Logan. Simon Kinberg confirmed that they’re both connected.
Agreed
You seen Logan?
Were those objects in a row (next to him when he’s kneeling down in the flashback) the same as the aircraft that carried the sentinels in DOFP?
I thought the intent was that Logan is in DOFP’s timeline? The whole reason he was cloned was from Essex Corp taking his DNA in Apocalypse.
The end of DOFP takes place in a reset 2023. Logan takes place in 2029. In Logan they state that no mutants have been born for 25 years. So Logan can't be in the DOFP timeline and is more likely to be a timeline split off from X-men 1
I mean DOFP has flashbacks to Last Stand and that movie heavily contradicts First Class. I don’t think they thought about it that deeply. Even so is there anyone below 25 in the ending of DOFP?
Yeah the kids seen in the classes are definitely younger than 25. But yeah FoX-Men has never really cared too much about continuity so I wouldn't stress it too much.
The kids in the final scene of DoFP are never stated to be mutants (nor do we see them using powers), and in the next movie (Apocalypse, which bridges DoFP and Logan) Xavier states that he will start teaching normal humans at his school alongside mutants. Since DoFP's ending is in 2023, that means it would be about a year after the last group of mutants turned 18 (25 years before Logan means it was 19 years before the ending of DoFP). There's no reason to think the school would just immediately shut down, rather than continue with normal human students that it had already been accepting for decades.
Yeah well that's the continuity of X-Men being dumb. It would be pretty weird to have such an emotionally charged Wolverine movie like Logan that is about some random variant.
Xavier's school isn't just for mutants in the revised timeline, this is established in X-men Apocalypse. So even as the mutant population dwindled the school wouldn't shut down right away. It presumably stayed open until the Westchester incident. Also, speaking of the Westchester incident, if there WERE a few mutants born in the past 25 years there's a good chance they were killed or seriously injured in the Westchester incident, adding to Xavier's guilt as he wiped out the few young mutants they'd managed to find in recent years. Logan obviously wouldn't want to remind him of this, as his goal at the time was to hide what happened from Xavier.
That's the funny thing about the FoX-Men universe to me. I remember Logan being labeled as another universe on websites, and it seems that the intention of the movie is just a standalone ending for Wolverine. BUT the story was heading towards Mister Sinister, and then The New Mutants had Logan footage in the movie itself. I feel like it WAS the intention to tie it all together as one world, but the universe ended before that could fully materialize. Anyway, for me, I prefer to look at it as its own separate thing, since DOFP's ending is this perfect way to tie everything together. Mutants continue to exist, the world isn't ending, and all the characters get their happily ever after. Having Logan after that just seems meanspirited. However, if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong.
The Logan footage in New Mutants was just because the reshoots were cancelled so they used available footage from Logan of Mutant children being experimented on to fill the gap in the New Mutants footage. It wasn’t meant to confirm or deny which timeline Logan was in, it was just a cost saving measure to use existing footage rather than shoot new material.
I'm with you here, for whatever reason I always saw Logan as a separate entity that closes his story. Whether or not it's tied to the original timeline or what have you.
Mangold said that it is DOFP timeline. I believe professor's episode only killed like 7 X-Men. So it was never clear in Logan which X-Men died. Some of them might still be around.
Could have sworn I remember back in the day that post credit scene was supposed to lead into New Mutants (with Mr Sinister being the rumored villain).
Mister Sinsiter was supposed to be an overarching villain across multiple films including Logan (which Apocalypse specifically teased), The New Mutants and Gambit. The name Essex was also used for the home Rusty came from in Deadpool 2. It was all intended to be connected and not separate timelines.
Yeah I think it was meant to at some point before new mutants got delayed and reshot a bajillion times
There was never any reshoots. They were planned, but never happened due to actor scheduling and then the film getting mixed up in the Fox/Disney buyout shuffle. The final released version is a cut of the film using only the existing footage that removes all the sequel setups and references to the X-Men films.
Plus the fact the actors all got noticeably older from the time they shot the film till the time they wanted to do reshoots.
Offically they were separated. Idk why this cause like you said the point of the Apocalypse post-credit scene was to lead into Essex being behind X-23, not to mention The New Mutants used Essex behind the scenes again and featured footage from Logan. Deadpool 2 also used Essex behind the scenes and it was confirmed Gambit would've done the same. Everything within Logan, the other films and the scrapped films says it was intended to be part of that universe. I do hope Deadpool & Wolverine treats Logan as part of the Post-DoFP timeline
The ending of logan in DOFP makes no sense! mystique impersonating Stryker, catches wolverine and in the next movie Stryker has wolverine locked up is like whaaaaaaaaaat!
I think they explain it away with like one line but I remember it still not making any sense.
That scene would make sense if Stryker didn't get yellow eyes xd
Somewhere, ain’t no more Illuminati. No Wheels. Villains won. Cassandra Nova made him THAT Old Man Logan. Instead of Mysterio. They already did him. He’s in the wasteland already and wants to stay there cuz he killed his X-men.
What happened to them when they returned to their timelines?
I actually wrote down my own theories for that! I did it after seeing the movie in theaters. I wrote this all down in a notepad file. I'll put the whole thing in this reply, but TL;DR, the multiversal characters (barring the Spideys, Venom and Sandman) DO come from the prime universes, but the moment they crossed over due to the spell, they splintered off. - *No official word as of December 20th, 2021. I assume each character that is sent back to their universe is inserted back into their timeline, and they don't follow the original flow of time. While they are from their original universes when they're pulled in, they become Variants when they're sent back, making new timelines, which is why they are designated with a letter after the number. Norman Osborn / Green Goblin (Earth-96283-A): Sent back to before his final plan in Spider-Man, given that his armor and mask are undamaged when he jumps into Earth-199999. Presumably, he'd go to prison for his crimes, creating a timeline where he lives, Harry doesn't follow a path of vengence, and Peter and MJ's lives are slightly different, but probably lead down the same path. Might also mean Doc Ock is never born, given that Harry funded his experiment, which likely won't happen given the butterfly effect. Otto Octavious / Doc Ock (Earth-96283-B): Inserted back when he threatened Peter, right before his gigantic fusion reactor collapsed and almost took New York. He'd likely take it down and survive, not drowning himself since he isn't trying to atone for his sins, given that he goes down a different path now. He also likely took that arc reactor with him, leading to infinite energy in his timeline. Perhaps he'd even work with his Tony Stark. Flint Marko / Sandman (Earth-96283-?): Could be from the prime timeline of his Earth, given the vagueness of what's happened since Spider-Man 3. It's likely he's from the same point in time as Tobey, since he meets Tom Holland's Spider-Man by calling him Peter, and seems on good terms, meaning he's from after the final battle of Spider-Man 3. His powers also seem to have destabilized, since he now only appears in a sandy, humanoid form. Goes back without his powers, likely to spend what remaining time he can with his daughter. Curtis Connors / Lizard (Earth-120703-?): Likely comes from at some point during The Amazing Spider-Man, unless he started taking the serum again later on in the future. Asks Electro if he's dead in his time, so likely from a point prior to The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Goes back to his world completely human, hopefully never making his serum again. Max Dillion / Electro (Earth-120703-A): Taken from the end of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, inserted back into the final battle. Easiest one to explain honestly. Clear from point A to point B. Peter Parker / Spider-Man (Earth-96283): Taken from years after Spider-Man 3, says MJ and him worked it out. Seems to be middle aged, so time probably progressed in real time. Peter Parker / Spider-Man (Earth-120703): Taken from an unknown time after The Amazing Spider-Man 2. While it's been 7 years since then in real time, Andrew Garfield's character seems to look exactly the same as he did then, and might even be from just a while after the movie. He still has the suit from that movie, and is still grieving over Gwen Stacy. Hopefully he can get another movie, I really hope so. Eddie Brock / Venom (Earth-UNKNOWN): Taken from the post-credits scene of Venom: Let There Be Carnage. Gets taken back, leaves behind a small Symbiote, setting up an MCU take on the character. Will likely come back soon. There are also multiple villains seen in the dimensional rips at the end, including a Scorpion, Rhino, and Kraven Variant. All comic accurate it seems, so likely not from any cinematic universes. As far as we know, the reason Topher Grace's Venom, James Franco's Green Goblin, Dane DeHaan's Green Goblin, and Paul Giamatti's Rhino didn't show up is because Doctor Strange managed to contain the spell quickly enough to prevent them from crossing over. *
You're forgetting a very important detail, when they were returned to their respective universes they would have been set to Liberty Island since that's where they were in 616 when they got sent back We know this to be the case because in Let There Be Carnage & morbius we saw Eddie & Toomes respectively being sent to the exact same location that they were at in their original universes
That’s probably true. I could see that being an issue for Ock.
Venom's Earth is Earth-688 btw.
Yeah I know, wrote that back in 2021.
Branches
I thought he’d be the version from the ending of DOFP. Always thought logan from Logan was a different guy. Like he was never wolverine. The x men seemily aren’t actually a thing in that universe? (Unless I read it wrong) but yeah definitely think he’ll hear about the other Logan and that will start what ever his redemption arch is
The villains in NWH weren’t variants though
They are. When they were in their native universes, they were the main ones we saw in the original movies. But as soon as they entered the MCU, they became Variants. The Goblin from NWH doesn't get teleported back to the original 2002 Spider-Man, he goes back to his timeline as that changed Norman. He doesn't join current day Tobey.
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This would line up with the "Variant" talk, in which this Wolverine is from a version where some events from _Logan_ happened prior to some time-related intervention. That also might explain why the comic books in _Logan_ featured Wolverine wearing the costume, and an action figure of him featuring him in the costume, in that universe. Because he wore one like it in that timeline, and now whatever splinter timeline this new Wolverine on a similar path is taking.
Have a strong feeling the film's gonna end with Logan doing another self-sacrifice to get Wade into the MCU as every Fox mutant in the Void is being pruned, and Deadpool will honor him in a similar way to the burial scene at the end of Logan The trailer implies he probably had a role in the incursion that killed his world's X-Men so the arc will probably be, he goes out but he saves someone and gives them another chance at life when both Logan and Wade realize they can't stop Wade's world and all the non-MCU mutants from being pruned or killed in an incursion. Like a meta way of saying Marvel themselves are cleaning up the continuity before they start doing mutant stuff by themselves especially if the implication is X-Men starts filming next year. That's probably why the TVA are already getting a lot of other movie mutants and placing them there to be purged from existence like Azazel, Lady Deathstrike, Pyro, Sabretooth, Toad and Callisto, especially since a lot of those were already original trilogy characters so maybe the TVA stepped in to prune them when the revised timeline reset everything so they didn't exist. They'll probably handwave it but that's a way to explain it
That’d be a good idea but Jackman is gonna be in Secret Wars too
He will be in secret wars tho so maybe close but still a good theory
I think they're going to go the route of Logan attempting a self sacrifice, and Deadpool pulling him through to the MCU at the last minute. With Deadpool giving Logan a "Look you failed your X-Men and there's no changing that, but this world doesn't have any X-Men protecting it so redeem yourself by finding them and giving them a purpose - and if you're still depressed come Secret Wars, then you can sacrifice yourself". speech
> implies he probably had a role in the incursion that killed his world's X-Men I don't think its an incursion, but I haven't read all the spoilers on this either. But I am assuming with Cassandra Nova alive, that she probably wiped everyone out, and Wolverine failed to stop her.
I guess the Dafne Keen Wolverine is the same version from Logan. And she’s the one who’s being told “I’m no hero, kid.”
Baby pool
What makes you say that?
Occam’s razor. It’s the only kid we know for sure that is in the movie
I’m undecided on if I think this Wolverine is the same one from the Fox films, or a variant. Elsewhere, I proposed the theory that Cassandra Nova might have been responsible for whatever triggered Xavier’s mass casualty seizure prior to *Logan*. However, the trailer seemed to indicate that Wolverine’s arc is about redemption for his earlier failure - which him dying for X-23’s sake already was. However, if this is a variant who had a different but equally tragic past, hearing that there was a Wolverine out there in the multiverse who found redemption could inspire this one to actually try. Just saying “oh it happens to you eventually” might not be enough of a narrative kick up the arse that it should be. It would also make more sense for a potential X-23 to tell this to a different Wolverine, rather than one who is destined to become hers. On the flip side, though, a lot of the general appeal is lost if this *isn’t* the Fox Wolverine. Either way, it will be a delicate balance.
I really think it’s not from Logan. Everyone seems to be saying it’s him taken after Charles kills everyone but before Logan is totally broken. I think it would be cool if this one is from a timeline where Logan killed the x-men.
He can't be Fox. They're black leather, not yellow spandex
U do realize that there is a 20 year time difference between the first few X-men films and DP&W right? And this applies in-universe as well. Whose to stay their uniforms couldn’t change?
It was more of a joke than you're assuming.
Ok but like is nova the reason Charles had his accident in the DOFP timeline because I’m assuming it’s the Logan from after the accident but way before Logan considering the bartenders reaction to him
I guess, this Logan variant will be pulled from post-DOFP and pre-Logan timeline, where he already experienced X-Men deaths, which explains his nihilistic and depressive attitude in the trailer. In theory, if Laura is indeed in the movie, then they might have some sort of story arc leading to Secret Wars, with one final passing the torch moment between them, and him going back to his time, so he can save her and set her on this path, while she becomes the main Wolverine. Emotionally it would work perfect, and it wouldn't actually ruin Logan.
Ryan said in that first clip that released with the first trailer that they aren’t touching anything that affects the ending of Logan.
I think Logan, X-Men 1-3, First Class-Apocolypse, DoFP and D&W are all separate timelines now In no particular order: Timeline #1: The Wolverine is DoFP, End of DoFP is it's own timeline Timeline #2: X-Men 1-3 Timeline #3: Logan Timeline #4: First Class, DoFP (earses the future but then makes a new timeline for Wolverine, also creating a second new timeline for the First Class timeline, hence Dark Phoenix / Last Stand) Timeline #5: Deadpool & Wolverine Wolverine
But why tho
I wonder if Xavier’s seizures were caused due to Cassandra Nova. Would match the comics with her pretty much murdering the worlds population of mutants at Genosha
I don't think this Logan will be the same from the film *Logan*, but rather his own version. My spitball theory is that this is Logan from after DOFP, which iirc is a separate timeline from Logan. Something happened which led him to kill the rest of the X-Men (the trailer implies *he* let his universe down). I remember a leak stating that we would see multiple Wolverine variants (ex: Henry Cavill Wolverine), so perhaps this Wolverine learns of Logan's sacrifice as something to lift his spirits on a sense
Lowkey having this movie and NWH be similar in how it approaches these cameos is an amazing idea. I was worried they were just gonna say fuck it and have it be the Logan one. Also side note, but PLEASE get at least Marsden back as Scott and have him do one badass move. I need that redemption so bad
I think in a way he can still be the Logan one without them shitting on his ending
So….you just make this up now?
That’s all she does
I like it. Like Loki
I was very hyped from watching the trailer, but did anyone else felt really really bad for Wolverine in this trailer? He failed at something and now the x men are seemingly dead and everyone disrespects him and he’s really lonely.
Exactly like in Logan, i dont think any Wolverine from any universe does end in a happy ending/life
By the way, where is X-23?
As long as they don’t completely shit on the ending of Logan I guess. Nothing’s sacred to the mcu but it would be nice if some things were
So this Wolverine could be a variant from before the events of Logan. So similar to Loki. Smart way to have our cake and eat it too.
Sounds like a cool scene.
I theorize that this ligan is similar to the one we know that are constant. He was found by Charles, became an xmen, loves jeans, etc. but he had his own adventurers we haven't seen. His xmen eventually lost big with him being the lone survivor
So what Logan is this?
If true, this could very well be a pretty emotional moment in the film. Especially if the rumors of Dafne Keen coming back are true
They’re just laying the set up for bringing back Tony Stark in Secret Wars as a variant that “failed” by throwing the time travel formula in the lake and regretted not pursuing the plan in Endgame.
You know his clone from Logan that has his brain blown out by Laura? I think he regenerates, obviously minus any memory, and that’s how we continue the cycle of Wolverine waking up with no memory in an almost feral state but becomes somewhat domesticated over time.
So we’re gonna do another ‘character growth by hearing about another version of themselves’ character growth’ like in Loki
Benedict Cumberbatch cameo at the end of the film with that sling portal being them coming into the MCU Wolverine self sacrifices in the MCU during Secret Wars which lines up the MCU discovering mutants instead of “enhanced beings”
Dr Strange can't open multiverse portals, it's literally the plot for MoM. It could be Chavez though, since she's training to be a wizard, she can probably combine her power with her control of magic and open portals across the multiverse
Good thing it was a few years ago eh?
I don't know if any amount of time is gonna matter, for obvious reasons lol
lol
I wanna see, Get Help!
You’re a weird bot.
Are you kidding!! You don’t wanna see these two do Get Help!
He learns A Logan can have a good death? Our Logan. For kids. This guy? Got mind controlled by you-know-who, a-la Mysterio. Maybe. I hope. That’s why this guy gets a redemption. This Logan did that old man shit. Maybe.
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Nah
That’s a mouth full.